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Previous Thread: >>124546548
First for Fuck Lyn :^)
>take skills from kfm
>takes skills from fm
>call it a new class
TOP LEL
>>124792427
tfw they made it just to give Kuns a race locked class
>>124792689
Are they getting it?
>>124792689
But Kuns can't even play it
And they're not going to make a Kun class after even if they're the only race with only three classes. Because they're the least popular. And it's Korea.
They're probably gonna make like three more Lyn classes, a SIN/WL class and a polearm class that uses the Undead Soldier and Lycandi Warrior animations. And then the game will die because it's been twelve years.
>>124792835
necromancer class W H E N
>>124792689
Soul Fighter is available for Gon, too.
>>124792893
>lyn locked class
>they summon undead bunnies
>>124792893
Hopefully never because summoning classes in this game have both proven to be absolute fucking cancer with the shit they can pull off
Also, because it'd be given to Lyn because fuck Korea and fuck childfuckers
>>124793091
I kept running into summoners who were really good at timing CC with their cat, they would always make it hammer slam me right before I finished my grab animation on them it was frustrating.
>>124793045
DOG SUMMONER WHEN?
>>124793091
I just want to play a zerg lord character
summoners that have one summon are fucking god awful
>>124792371
I would fuck a lyn.
>>124793356
It's hard enough to reliably focus a Summoner who isn't completely autistic and knows how to sit behind their cat, let alone all the other shit it can pull off.
If I have to select my target with the retarded half-lock system in this game, and it has to go through three extra, I'd fucking kill myself.
Also, zerg summoners in games never take any skill at all to use, because they're usually just about mass-buffing and overwhelming people. I don't think we need -more- classes that promote learning your class and being good at it when there's three classes at most that do that, and only one of them can even be considered high-skillcap
>>124793410
I want to cuddle with ice lyn, she's adorable.
>>124793560
that don't promote* fuck
>>124793560
Is there a way to change how targeting works? sometimes I can't even do my air slam because some shitty mob is near me and my target shit won't focus on the one in the air no matter what I do.
>>124794073
I think there's settings in the options that let you decide how much time you need to spend with your camera on a different target for it to change targets, but I think that's it
>>124792689
It's Gon/Kun.
>>124792835
>But Kuns can't even play it
That's wrong.
Gon and Kun are the only races that can be FM AND KFM, which is why they get it.
With the upcoming beta and release I plan on moving on to webms, would you all prefer:
Higher quality, but 30 FPS
or 60FPS and lower quality?
>>124795320
is there a 3rd option? you putting away that disgusting character?
>>124795320
How about you not post any media, period?
>>124795320
Post whichever shows your monstercock better
>>124795320
Fuck off.
>>124795320
How about stop spamming your shaved ape please?
>>124795228
Well, now everyone has 4 classes, so the Kun person from the other thread can't complain anymore
>>124796349
Kun, Yun, same fucking difference.
>>124796390
They still don't have an exclusive class, which is the real complaint.
>>124797031
And the least popular race won't be getting one for a long time, either, if they're at an equal standing with every other race in terms of how many classes can actually be played.
>>124797105
Gon only had 3 classes until SF too and last I've heard they were the second most popular race.
>>124797219
They only made this class to fill in the gaps so no one can complain, anymore. Only two races can play it, and they happened to be the two races that were at 3 classes rather than 4. I wouldn't be surprised if they made this to initially appeal to the Gon playerbase and afterwards thought of filling in the blanks, as well as not wanting to give Gon two unique classes, like Lyn.
>>124795320
>>124797649
>They only made this class to fill in the gaps so no one can complain, anymore.
That doesn't stop the issue of kun still having no exclusive.
> I wouldn't be surprised if they made this to initially appeal to the Gon playerbase and afterwards thought of filling in the blanks
Or, you know, "Hey, let's make a hybrid of these two classes and these two races can be both, so give them it"
Lemme break something down for you too.
Popularity: Lyn > Gon >= Jin > Kun
Now for classes.
>LBM
Lyn only
>Summoner
Lyn only
>Destroyer
Gon only
>Assassin
Jin only
>FM
Lyn > Kun >= Gon (because the bulky race being mages isn't appealing so 95% of Gon FMs will be female and the few males are typically clowns)
>KFM
Gon >> Jin >>>> Kun (Let's be honest, you could take KFM away from Kun and no one would be bothered)
>Warlock
Lyn > Jin
>BM
Jin > Kun (Possibly not a big difference)
>Soul Fighter
Gon ??? Kun (Majority on the test server seem to be gon so far, but >test server)If you notice the trend, Gon/Lyn and Lyn/Kun aren't class pair buddies yet.
>>124798320
>That doesn't stop the issue of kun still having no exclusive.
Genderlocked/race-locked exclusive class that's also the least popular race? Don't count on it unless they decide to do a Gon/Lyn/Jin combo class so that Kun has a spot to keep it fair. That's two classes minimum to get to one.
>Or, you know, "Hey, let's make a hybrid of these two classes and these two races can be both, so give them it"
Or, you know, they just needed an excuse to fill in the blanks. They just both happened to have a similarity that they could use without making a new class entirely.
What the fuck is this last thing. It's like you just started throwing out random, made-up values to make a point
It doesn't even solidify an argument. It's just.. wat. It sounds like you've got some kind of tinfoil hat on and you're dishing out your latest conspiracy theory relating to apparent popularity. There's not gonna be any 'class buddy' pairings for deciding classes. Otherwise, Kun would be getting another class that wouldn't be exclusive and you'd complain about it more, or Lyn would be getting two new classes. At-least that's what I got out of that last part because it doesn't even make sense.
>>124798605
>>124797105
Have the devs/people complaining never considered that Yun just might be unpopular because the race doesn't have an exclusive class?
Let's just look at the classes Yun have, as >>124798320 kinda already did:
BM is Yun/Jin
FM is Yun/Gon/Lyn
KFM is Yun/Gon/Jin
And then we have
Assassin is Jin (only)
Destroyer is Gon (only)
Summoner is Lyn (only)
Bladedancer is Lyn (only)
Warlock is Lyn/Jin
Yun are the only race without an exclusive class. Additionally, they can only be female, which no doubt makes them less popular with the people who do play male characters in this game. And seriously, Gon are gonna be popular with all the people who like strong women. The amount of Gon girls in these threads is quite something for example.
Give them an exclusive class and they just might see more play. It's hardly fair looking at the numbers like this.
>>124795320
This webm is really disorienting. All the pods are smushing and stretching and getting twisted around, it's like there's nothing to focus on that's not being distorted in some way. It's like a kaleidoscope or a shitty acid trip or something
>>124799806
Gons just need less retarded, poorly implemented "Super Girl" poses and there needs to be a function to turn off the awful moaning when someone is dancing. It's disgraceful and irritating
>>124799806
>Give them an exclusive class and they just might see more play
Which was the point I was trying to make.
Denying a race an exclusive simply because said race isn't the most popular is only going to doom said race to ALWAYS being unpopular.
>kun
IT'S FUCKING YUN YOU NUMBNUTS!
>>124799806
>which no doubt makes them less popular with the people who do play male characters in this game.
are you implying if gon or lyn was female only, it'd be significantly less popular?
>>124800527KunKunKunDeal with it.
>>124800846
Gon, yes.
Lyn, not really.Also, if Kun were male only, there wouldn't be NEARLY this much backlash over people wanting them to get an exclusive class
>>124801020
because whiny cunts are usually virgins who only play females
>>124801020
>Also, if Kun were male only, there wouldn't be NEARLY this much backlash over people wanting them to get an exclusive class
I'm all for male chars, really digging my Gon male KFM (and future DES). But there's no need for babyface pretty fuccboi elves, Jin males already fill that role. Though....Gon male FMs are just a big NOPE.JPG.
>>124801334
>But there's no need for babyface pretty fuccboi elves
Doesn't really need to be the same design.
Just imagine a male only kun to be dwarves or something.
People would be outright screaming for them to get something exclusive.
Hell, imagine if gon were male only. No one would really be bitching about them having destroyer.
But nope, it's female only, so that's good enough!
>>124801250
Probably 65% or more of the players use a female character.
>>124801592
I always see classes as gender specific, for example, KFM is male only
if you play a female KFM, you're either playing it ironically or you're fucking retarded
same with FM, if you play a male force master, you're fucking retarded
BM is male
BD is female
Sin is both genders
Summoner is mainly female
Destroyer is male only
so it doesn't make sense to me there's more females
>>124801793
That's just silly, there's nothing wrong with female melee and male casters.
>>124802121
see, you're retarded
>>124802121
I want to impregnate that ass, multiple times.
>>124802121
>male casters
Wizards/casters/whatever are often portrayed as old men with their gray beards and pointy wizard hats. Whenever someone mentions wizard I usually think of Gandalf or Disney's Merlin. At least that's how it works for me.
However, Gon is the 'giant race' of B&S. They're portrayed as strong warriors who possess great strength. So naturally classes like KFM and DES are a perfect fit for Gons because both utilize physical strength.
I tried playing Gon male FM but I found it way too weird for my tastes. Like, some bodybuilder trying to be 'elegant' while casting spells. Their animations and constant grunting just felt off and dumb. I'm no roleplayer but that shit bothered me more than it should have.
>>124801793
>if you play a female KFM, you're either playing it ironically or you're fucking retarded
>same with FM, if you play a male force master, you're fucking retarded
This can't be real.
>>124802885
exactly
if there's some really slender female like race, like elfs, they can pull it off
I also played a male elf loremaster in LoTRO
>>124803042
no really, there's actually people that play female KFMs
>>124802636
What race/gender/class do you play, anon?
>>124803286
male gon KFM and male lyn BD in this game
>>124803449
Oh I see....
Daily reminder Kun is the best race in the game, futafags and pedophiles need not apply.
Also,REMOVE LYN, BURN THE CHILDREN, KILL THE ADULTS.
GLORY TO THE TALUS EMPIRE!
they pass out beta keys yet?
>>124803840
Fuck off.
>>124803840
CBT soon™
>Play Warlock in TW because I know I wont have it for months in US
>Have to test every class in CB
>>124803042
I can buy it. I remember a guy im TERA that used to sperg about female Slayers (big sword) and always having the biggest muscles. His static replaced with a female that performed better and he spent most of his time booty blasted to the moon.
>>124811503
What did I just read?
>>124811702
What part confused you, anon?
>>124811917
All of it.
>>124811917
I get it now, false alarm anon.
>>124812050
1. Guy in TERA used to sperg about female characters playing the big sword class
2. He got replaced in his static group by a female
3. He was booty blasted for life
The lesson is that people who really and truly get autistic about class gender actually exist.
>>124812303
Drama of this magnitude makes my go diamonds in mere seconds.I must know more, please!
>>124812303
So basically that guy might be this anon >>124801793 ?
>>124793628
Fuck off, ice lyn.
>>124792427
Isnt warlock just sin mashed with fm?
It's so lazy
>>124812958
Bns guide to creating a new class:
1. Take existing class
2. Mash it with force master
3. Lock it to race that is least popular at the time so more people will be forces to play new characters and spend more money
4. Neglect actual game content that matters like new dungeons/weapons
>>124813171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODEbe4X_pA
>>124812443
>playing tera
no fuck that shit
but playing big sword classes as females is fucking retarded and you should kill yourself
>>124814196
>Tera
>Reaper, Gunner and Brawler are female only
I get that female cosmetics make up like 75% of their sales, but come the fuck on. Even as a guy who plays almost strictly females I think that's fucking stupid, at that rate you may as well just make Tera 2 with no option to make a male.
>>124814196
Does this fit your approval?
>>124814351
You're fucking stupid.
>>124814369
this obvious falls under
>playing it ironically
see >>124801793
>>124815013
But it's a male KFM.
>>124812443
I guess it could be. It is a pretty unique flavor of autism.
>>124801793
>This
>Entire
>Fucking
>Post
>>124803840
Fuck off.
>>124802121
Is my screen fucking up or is her skin purple/violet? I thought this game only had boring "natural" skin tones?
>tfw will never play as a blue skinned futa destroyer
>>124802121
post the entire char
>>124822260
It's the lighting in that screenshot.
I wonder if they'll ever add more PvP costumes, accessories and maybe weapon skins.
Do you think the pvp will take off in EU/NA? The fact that the arena is 1v1 and gear is normalized is a good sign but it has some retarded gameplay (anicanceling big domoge combos into stun) that might make people ragequit.
>>124824828
>it has some retarded gameplay (anicanceling big domoge combos into stun)
It's called git gud or continue to die like a bitch.
>>124824828
Personally, I don't think it will, not because of the gameplay, but because it still requires players to slog through the PvE experience in order to get all their skill points/talents.
>>124825192
DES and KFM anicancelling is dumb though. You can't honestly defend it.
Animation cancelling in itself isn't necessarily the problem. It has been present in pretty much every game I've played. But the two aforementioned classes take it too far. Anicancelling is fine when it gives you a slight advantage, but it's crucial and creates game breaking difference in damage output it is not fine.
At least lvl 50 patch will help quite a bit.
>>124825937
>DES and KFM anicancelling is dumb though. You can't honestly defend it.
Actually, I can.
Those two classes would be unable to win most fights if they couldn't squeeze in that DPS.
>>124824828
Not a chance. Competitive gaming in NA basically isn't a thing, least of all for MMOs. A hasty, half-assed localization of an oldet Korean game isn't going to change that.
Posting in this thread
https://gleam.io/ASZHC/get-closed-beta-access-to-blade-soul-with-razer
>>124826585
By the way that's where they're giving out BETA Keys.
>>124826585
Well then, time to go see if I'll be able to afford my pack real fast so I know if I need to use this code or not.
So did I misunderstand? Is the beta out today, or is it out on Friday?
>>124827085
Friday.
>>124827164
That sucks, someone told me it was Wednesday, but then I checked the schedule. That makes me a sad boy.
>>124826585
Thanks m8, grabbed a key
>>124826585
Thank you anon.
>>124826585
thanks senpai
>>124826585
Nice, is there a way to download the eu client from past beta?
>>124826585
Domo arigato
>>124828928
http://cbt.patcher.bladeandsoul.com/BnS_CBT/installer/BnS_CBT%20Lite%20Installer.exe
Download > Install > Update client > Select EU region and you're ready to go.
>>124795320
I'd prefer another character
I play female kfm
>>124830687
Okay.
>tfw no one hardly ever streams FM gameplay
>>124830687
kill thyself, heathen
>>124831837
>tfw I would, but my PC is too shit
>Money is too tight to be able to get proper pc upgrades and my founder's pack and wouldn't have PC parts until right before headstart if I could afford them
>>124831837
FM is at the same shit-tier as BM and KFM at the moment. No one's playing it because they don't have their millions of defensives so they can't be bothered to learn how to PvP around it like non-shitters. Go watch Jaesung stream it and just take note of what he does that you might be able to.
why's muh jappistan server down? Maintenance time is over
>>124839117
>No one's playing it because they don't have their millions of defensives so they can't be bothered to learn how to PvP around it like non-shitters
Because NA/EU are full of bandwagon shitters who don't want to put real effort into getting good when they can pick LBM/Des because everyone cries that they're OP.
What's the most waifu class?
>>124840070
See, this makes me sad, because I picked and play LBM because I like the idea of a faster BM. But now I gotta deal with this shit.
And it's only gonna get worse when I switch to Warlock, which again, I picked because I liked the idea of the super-bursty class and then found out I loved the way it played.
>>124840319
Gon Destroyer.
She can pick you up when you've fallen down and safeguard you when you're getting up. Literally the only option.
>>124840070
>>124839117
You guys ever going to just come clean and admit you're so bad at PvP that you need everyone else to reroll to the shitter classes?
>>124840436
>female
>destroyer
kill yourself
>>124840487
>being that completely autistic kid from earlier that puts genders with classes, like how autistic people make otps of erp partners and go into a rage when it's not the way they want
You're genuinely retarded. I bet you play a Lyn. I bet you're also the guy from that Tera thread story that was posted here, whom went into an autistic stalker-mode because his favorite partner decided to change race.
>>124840319
Fuck off.
>>124840406
I'm not hating on everyone playing the classes, because they're normally fine.
It's the people that only play it because of strength that piss me off.
>>124840478
What?
Dude, my main class is FM with KFM and Summoner as alts.
>>124840478
Except I'm at 1700 on KFM and SIN, the arguably two hardest classes at the moment. With Australian ping. I was just pointing out that shitters can't play around their lack of defensives and now you're offended.
What's your excuse.
>>124840925
>Sin
>Hardest class
You're half right.
>>124840989
>arguably
The only other class that contests with SIN for second place is FM, and that loses 60% of its skillcap when the class suddenly has three defensives and can just press 2/3 of them inbetween burst combos, then wait. At-least, at the moment, they're punished for making dumb decisions.
>>124840834
>fuck off
>waahhhh someone is playing a game and making female characters!!
Maybe you should try the official forums. People might be more down to your earthly level.
>>124841153
Are you seriously implying that FM is easy?
>>124841256
>These assumptions
Of my 7 characters, only one is a male.
I'm telling you to fuck off for the phrase "waifu class". Now drown yourself in a toilet.
>>124840406
that's why you don't go to shit places like this and have people to tell you what you should like and what not.
>>124841421
>i play females! im so randum xDD
You aren't even close to being on my level, son. Get back to facebook.
>>124840925
>Except I'm at 1700 on KFM and SIN
>lying on the internet to make yourself feel good
hoo boy
>>124841421
At the moment? No. I feel for FM players because they don't have a lot of the Hongmoon skills that make the classes, so it is arguably a lot harder for them to learn to play well at the moment.
But when they do get those defensives, the skillcap significantly drops. They keep doing the same combos with the exception of adding Firestorm (ie. the Gravity Hongmoon), but now they have a lot more defensive options. Getting more defensive options only serves to lower the risk of being punished for bad mistakes.
I'm not saying FM is easy, but you have to be blind to not realize that getting more get-out-of-jail-free defensives, that let you stall out your auto-hit combos, will do lower the skillcap of the class significantly. There's a reason I said 'arguably'. You're equally questionable if you think SIN doesn't have a skillcap just because people are going invisible against you all the time. I think the class is cancer, so I'm switching SIN for BM on release, but give respect where it's due.
>>124841731
No one was accusing me of lying in the last thread when I was teaching people in detail about how to play their classes. I'd give you proof but I don't exactly have access to the server to screenshot my rank, now do I.
>>124841470
Oh fuck 'em; I'm still going to play my LBM and Warlock when it comes out. It's just an annoying afterthought that I just gotta deal with.
>>124841153
Every class is punished for making dumb decisions (minus Destroyer). Just some more than others. But with Sins, most of those mistakes can just be remedied by going into stealth, which there are multiple methods of doing.
>>124842251
They also have close to half the health of every other class, and after the fight as begun, they only have one option of going invisible unless you're the one who makes the mistake (ie. mashing buttons and hitting their decoy, rather than waiting for it to end and going ham for 6 seconds).
I know damn well how annoying SIN is as I'm a KFM main, and we don't have any form of counterplay to stealth at the moment, but I want to see you play SIN at high level, where people don't complain about 'hurr durr stealth op' and you're getting dropped left and right for making stupid decisions.
>>124842027
I'm disagreeing that it's one of the hardest classes to play in pvp. Especially with our current patch. In endgame pve, yes it becomes annoying when you're tanking the floor 90% of the time in Silverfrost and don't really contribute anything to the group through lightning ass stabs.
>>124842510
I've played Sin to 50/10.
>>124842510
By half the health, I should actually say half the effective health. It's closer to 3/4 health of every other class and the rest is made up for by having lower defensive stats than others.
>>124841573
Now you're just acting retarded.
>>124842027
>A class is only skillful when they lack tools they're supposed to have on the current skill patch
What the actual fuck am I reading? There's a reason FM is first or second lowest on the amount of 1900+ players, because the class relies more on avoiding the opponent and taking advantage of openings while trying to set up.
Try playing the class.
>>124842749
BACK TO FACEBOOK
>>124842027
>No one was accusing me of lying in the last thread when I was spouting off a bunch of nonsense opinions.
ftfy
>>124842749
Like I keep reiterating and you keep ignoring, 'arguably'. I'm not say SIN does or doesn't require more skill than FM. It's just that FM is they're the only classes that could even contest for second place. None of the other classes require any understanding of proper mechanics other than, perhaps, BM with its proper usage of Draw Stance.
SIN is known for having to have a lot of setup for low - medium reward, in exchange for having the ability to go invisible. If you've really played SIN to 50/10, you'd know that even if you pull off perfect knockdown chains with RB/F mashing inbetween, you'll never hit 50% of someone's health except for another SIN or Summoner. Especially if they know how to manage their escapes. You basically need 2 1/2 rotations to do what most other classes do in 1. Saying they don't have skill required is pretty ignorant, though.
>>124842749
There's also a reason that FM is the one that tops every KR tournament, sometimes with two in the top four, except for the absolute most recent one.
I have played the class. I've played every class. I just made my decision about which classes I prefer. There's a reason I feel for FMs at the moment rather than just acting like I'm beating them based on pure skill. I never said they weren't skillful, but good job having trouble reading. I said their skillcap drops (there's a difference), because they now have way more anti-punish options. That's straight fact. That's what might put them behind SIN. Might.
>>124843217
That's funny, I only received compliments and people thanking me for what I detailed. Sadly you weren't on at the time to point out all of the mistakes I made, it seems. Because obviously I was spouting nothing but opinions.
>>124843690
>That's funny, I only received compliments and people thanking me for what I detailed.
going to be a sobering moment when they try those "tactics" out and get floored
>>124844009
The thread's still up, feel free to point out any misinformation I gave, unless you're too much of a beta to back up your point :^)
>>124843690
>There's also a reason that FM is the one that tops every KR tournament, sometimes with two in the top four, except for the absolute most recent one.
Yeah, it's called those people play the class a lot and put the effort into really LEARNING it.
There's is a huge gap between being "okay" with the class and being "good" with it.
>>124844125
You're implying that the only people in KR who know how to put in the effort to learn their class and how to play each matchup are FMs? Because the only ones topping are FMs. SINs haven't ever topped-2'd a KR tournament, yet it's the one being complained about as if it has no skill requirement, whereas FM does it every single tournament except for one, as of late.
You're genuinely implying that the only people who can learn their class are FMs, though. Surely you see the problem, here.
>>124844376
>You're implying that the only people in KR who know how to put in the effort to learn their class and how to play each matchup are FMs?
No, I'm not.
I'm saying that FM has the biggest skillgap between decent and good players of the class.
Who knows, maybe Sin really does and no one has truly mastered the class yet, but for now that is FM.
>>124843690
You do realize you're talking to more than one person right.
Pvp sins have tragically low damage, yes. However, if you manage your (8) stealth cds you're going to be alright.
What I will say is that Sins aren't really represented at the top of leaderboards, which isn't because the class is hard, but because it is fundamentally lacking in damage.
There's a difference between the class having a hard skill curve (Sin doesn't really), and the class having to rely on the same really long combo and stay alive during its cooldown because their damage in pvp against high ratings with hongmoon skills is complete and utter absolute shit.
Prior to that point, however, they are cancer. So I switched to BM. Well, that, and they also lack damage in pve at 50 cap and all but cease to exist in Silverfrost parties.
Hope there's some cool new costumes for the upcoming CBT. The last one was pretty disappointing in that regard.
Can someone break down the acronyms being flung around? I get SIN and DES, but what the fuck is LBM and the others?
t. newfriend
>>124845245
Lyn Blade Master.
>>124844606
But 'decent vs 'good' doesn't apply at high-tier tournaments. They're only the people who are arguably pro at their class. Meaning they're not just random shitters trying to climb leaderboards. It doesn't matter what the skill disparity is under normal circumstances, because they're meant to be the extreme circumstance that knows what they're doing.
If one class is topping but every single person is a pro, there's a lot more to the issue than individual skill. Probably something with the class.
Jaesung got absolutely dumpstered when he played literally any class other than FM at the recent tournament, but if FM is the absolute epitome as skill as you're claiming, he should have no trouble with those matchups. Yet the only matches he won were with FM. This was after he got off the server with bad ping.
>>124844630
There's a huge skillcurve between a shitty Sin and a great Sin, are you high. A shitty Sin uses airweb, rather groundweb for doing long CC chains, instead just relying on stun into airborne combo. A shitty Sin doesn't use their SS RB as a distance maker. A shitty Sin doesn't hook-kick because reliably landing poison seems to be hard for them. A shitty Sin instantly pops tab the second they're cc'd and get one-combo'd by every other class as a result.
Eight forms of stealth doesn't matter when majority of them are punishable (turn camera, use aoe, which KFM is the only one lacking in) or rely on you making a mistake and triggering it
>>124845245
Sure thing newfriend, here's the only one that matters:
ERP = erotic role play
>>124845568
There's a huge skillcurve between a shitty and great anything.
>>124845568
>Jaesung got absolutely dumpstered when he played literally any class other than FM at the recent tournament
There's this thing called ping, something he is used to playing without.
Playing with EU was like playing in molasses and even NA had a way higher ping than usual. (Not to mention the fact that he very likely wasn't trying as hard as usual AND was helping with commentary)
>>124845754
Equally as much semantics as claiming that SIN doesn't have a skillcurve when the only thing close to it is KFM and FM, regardless of whether either is harder or easier
>>124845978
Notice what I said at the end? Somehow, just somehow, I knew you'd bring the ping up. He only had the ping problem on EU. In NA he was on sub-50 ping, and that wouldn't make a super enormous difference that he lost against everyone.
>>124846176
Sub-60 ping is still higher than the 5-15 or whatever he's used to.
You're still ignoring that he was helping with commentary and even then likely wasn't playing to straight up win.
>>124845524
what, does a Lyn blade master have things a blade master from another race wouldnt?
>>124846730
Yes, they play a bit differently
>>124846730
Blade Dancer was specifically called Lyn Blade Master in the other versions.
Pretty sure it's only different because the size of Lyn would make it harder for people to read a BMs kit. (Same reason Lyn KFM isn't a thing)
>>124846029
Everything has a skill curve. Some just have higher skill curves than others. Sin has an ironically low skill curve matched with an ironically low skill cap.
Can you just jump on Sin and start raping people in the ass? Absolutely. A lot of people do. Are you going to rape absolutely everyone in the ass? As you progress through the ratings, you're going to start losing a little, then you're going to start losing a lot, then you just plain will never win.
Now here's where it gets silly. If you are balls to wall A+ 100% shinobi squad leader assassin, you're probably just going to go from never winning, to just losing a lot. Not because you're a shitter. Not because Sin is hard. But because you have no damage.
The Sin kit, while fun, is retardedly small. As in, once your kit is figured out, you winning relies on hole exploitation. It's literally not that hard to stealth. What are they going to do, never attack you? That's like saying it's hard to pull off a parry as a BM.
That being said. NA/EU are braindead retarded. You can take a Sin to platinum no problem because nobody knows how to play the game.
>>124846730
They have force choke and lack a sustained guard, but the first .5 sec of their spin can be spec'd to both stun and iframe. Much lower survivability compared to BM, but arguably higher damage.
>>124846414
I can only assume you're the person I initially posted that part of the message to;
He didn't talk at all when he was actually PvPing. He talks more on stream than he did there, he was clearly trying.
You ignored everything else I said in the post, too.
This part of the argument is going to go nowhere if you're just going to keep pulling out irrelevant points that completely ignore the fact presented. Regardless of reasons behind what happened, they still happened. Those reasons you're giving are pure speculation.
>>124845593
>ERP = erotic role play
But that's wrong. It's supposed to mean Enterprise Resource Planning
>>124847742
This really goes a long way towards explaining why I keep finding myself in uncomfortable situations at work.
>>124847156
Just about the only factual evidence I can get out of this is that 'the Sin kit is retardedly small'
But how you use it varies from person to person. Most classes, FM included, usually throw their skills out in the more 'optimal' rotation. SIN is one of the few that has leeway, even if it all amounts to nothing in the end. Most people just go for stun, knockup, airweb, mine, poison flower, drop, pull to flower, mine and do something off that. That's more skills than what any FM combo has. That's not even including the knockdown chain cc that SIN has, which is arguably the longest combo other than KFM's stun, 3rf, stun, 3rf, daze, 3rf, knockup combo. Which is still only 5 - 6 overall skills, and it's just long, not necessarily hard.
SIN has a lot of skills to play with, far more flexibility than FM, which provides a skillcurve on its own. They just happen to all be used in rapid succession and don't amount to anything regardless of what you do, so no skillcap is ever shown. Just because people are invisible, it doesn't mean anything if they don't do anything during it, and the end result of going invisible amounts to nothing. It just happens to be the same as a FM pressing their defensive and going invulnerable for 15 seconds, and as of 50 patch, pressing two more defensives to stall for other defensives and combos. But they require no interaction with the opponent, as opposed to having setup for each and every stealth.
>>124849296
When talking about pvp it's 99% opinion anyway.
And as we all know my opinion > yours
I wouldn't compare FM to Sin anyway, although as a Sin I probably had the least issues raping the piss out of a FM due to their projectiles being pretty much a free stealth+stun combined with them having the single lowest health in pvp.
I've only played FM to 41, but it isn't so much that they have low flexibility, they just have relatively little viability. Not to mention, in our current version, everyone just tries to do the exact same thing as literally everyone else and try to win through spamming ice rain nonstop.
Out of all of my matches against FM, only one even bothered to use force pulse to stun after 3 stacks of ice, making them the only FM I lost against.
A Sin who does nothing while stealthed is either ass or just waiting for cooldowns because for them, if one part of your combo isn't off of cd, you pretty much fuck yourself mid-combo with your already shitty damage.
Otherwise just lightning slash nonstop while stealthed and seldom be knocked out of it. If knocked out of stealth, re-stealth.
>>124847156
>because nobody knows how to play the game.
This, so much this.
I wish people would just calm down and wait. To be honest PvP ladder is going to be a mess till 2nd season.
Currently it's like this(from top to bottom)
>Truly skilled players who will most likely compete for the top spots every season
Nothing more to say really
>Experienced overseas veterans
Some are definitely good at the game.
Some are rated higher than they should be, because they're farming inexperienced "FotM" players for free rating. Their downfall during S2 is going to be loud and sad.
>Then there's sort of mixed bracket
Most of these people are new to the game. They're neither good or bad yet, just trying to learn their classes. Stronger classes with lower skill floor(aka FotM classes) are farming the "weaker" classes with higher skill floor. Weaker classes feed FotM free ones rating, and FotM ones then again are mostly free rating for the experienced veterans.
>Low levels just testing out PvP / players who are literally trying PvP for the first time
Self explanatory
And one more thing.Please don't base everything on the elite .1% players who're incredibly skilled at the game and are playing it on a server which is 3 years ahead of us.
>>124850957
But anon, if we thought for ourselves and didn't compare literally everything with KR as if we'll ever reach the same stage of competency, we wouldn't be westerners.
>>124850729
But I'm not talking about the current state of FM, and haven't been doing so for a long time. It seems we've gone off topic at some point if that's what you've been discussing.
I've already stated a numerous amounts of times (3+) that current FM actually has a very high skillcap because it doesn't have the defensives. It's that a huge chunk of the skillcap at the moment is that they can be punished for making mistakes. I've never argued that current FM doesn't have a high skillcap. Heck, I'm not arguing that 50 FM doesn't, either. That seems to be the point you're arguing against even if I never made it. What I'm arguing is that SIN's skillcap isn't as low as you make it out to be, and I'm just using FM as a comparison. At absolute most, I've said that SIN is contesting with FM for second place due to no other class being close to either of them for second place, and I've yet to see that disputed other than 'but I find SIN ezmode'.
If there was a point to compare between FM and SIN, it's that the problem people complain about with SIN is them going stealthed for the entire fight. At the moment, FM can't be complained about for similar reasons, but the defensives they get are literally the exact same as a SIN's. Except they last for longer. Much, much longer. And they don't require interaction with the opponent to pull them off. You can panic-button press them and wait for cds with far less risk of being brought out of them like a SIN can be.
You just said it yourself, though. FM has less flexibility, their combos aren't dropped because they have a single skill on cd, and that SINs can be broken out of stealth. This already is enough to say that SIN has a higher curve than FM because of how easily it's punished, and that they have to put in more effort for the same reward. If I was arguing that SIN was harder than FM, this is the point that practically proves it, backed by what you've said. But I'm not arguing that. I've just been stating facts.
WELCOME BACK
>>124850729
>Out of all of my matches against FM, only one even bothered to use force pulse to stun after 3 stacks of ice, making them the only FM I lost against.
Region & rating? Just asking out of curiosity.
EU FM here. Completely new player, managed to hit ~1630 during last CBT. Nothing too impressive but I'm starting to learn pretty fast. I'm confident that I'll be able to climb to decent ratings after the game launches. At least I managed to do rather well in PvP back when I was still playing WoW(that was quite long time ago though).
But there's this one thing that baffles me. Out of the grand total of other 15 FMs I've faced none used Ice Rain and everyone at least tried to pull of the standard FM stunlock combo. Most of those fights were below 1500 rating.
Blog post inc, sorry.This shit actually fucking made my day during last CBT
>tfw shit at the game
>getting my ass stomped by SINs
>same loudmouth SIN keeps farming me
>he's the type who trash talks people after he wins and bitches when he loses. Especially vocal against FMs after he wins
>couple days later
>started getting better and learned to deal with SINs better
>face him again
>2-0 he never stood a chance, how did I ever even lose
>"when did these fucking FMs get good?" (yes, he actually said that)
>face him again
>fucking obliterate him during the first round
>he ragequits
>THE GRIN ON MY FACE, SHITTIEST GODDAMN GRIN EVER
This is why I love PvP. Oh how I missed this.
>>124852742
>things that never happened
If you were still 'shit at the game', I'm going to assume you were still below 1500, since most of the fights apparently took place there.
You don't even know who you're fighting until you're over Gold
>site back online
What a shame. I was happy being dead.
>>124854198
At least you're still dead on the inside.
>>124852152
I wasn't talking to you about FMs at all previously. I was equally confused when they were suddenly brought up. That's some other guy.
FMs and Sins are so wildly different they really shouldn't ever be compared, as the reasons for their winning/losing are vastly, vastly different. I'm not even sure what you mean by their defensives are the same, as FM doesn't have a stealth or really any sort of sustained damage mitigation other than frost guard.
I don't even agree that FM is too horribly difficult to play because as it stands no one has any fucking idea how to play them. I also said the problem -isn't- that they have low flexibility.
Sins can be broken out of stealth, and then they can go right back into stealth because of the shitty way targetting works. There's also a good chance of them completely evading your next few attacks, as the period shortly after stealthing is basically a 3s iframe that gives you more than enough time to gain some distance and shadow kunai.
When a FM fucks up, they typically do so in form of getting cc'd, where literally just getting touched means you die. Their kit is set up to reward you for never letting the opponent get close, and punishing you severely for failing to keep distance.
When a Sin fucks up, just flash grenade. Even if you don't get the blind you've got the stealth. You also have your tab escape which also stealths. If there was only one way to stealth, no one would complain about Sin because counterplay would just be blowing their stealth then raping them. The problem with Sin is that it has -multiple- ways of going into stealth, and a few of these ways stun you at the exact same time, while also giving the Sin immunity to 90% of your attacks.
FM doesn't have this.
And don't call opinions facts.
>>124852742
Around the same point. 1600+ NA on that character.
>>124853290
>things that never happened
Well, you are free to believe whatever you want.
>If you were still 'shit at the game'
I'm still consider myself shit, even though I've managed to climb higher and now hover around ~1600
>You don't even know who you're fighting until you're over Gold
It's not actually even that hard to figure out. You can still view their character info inside arena lobby as long as they are from the same server.
After all I did spent quite a few matches in mid 1500s so did learn to recognize some of the most vocal shit talkers. Wasn't hard to figure out who she was, given how she often trash talked FMs(me) after I lost. Not to mention I had come across her outside the arena lobby too.
And it seriously felt like I was lone FM in que because I recall facing only 3 FMs past 1500. 70% SIN, 10%LBM, 10%BM + the rest.
Not having faced many DES kind of scares me. Don't really know much about them, should probably abuse the spar function. I've only two gold DES so far. One just walked over me while the other one literally spammed nothing but tab entire match.
>>124854510
>Sins can be broken out of stealth..
But that's wrong. Your evasion is just doubled for the first second of stealth. Only decoy and your q version of stealth, both of which require interaction from opponent. Not 3 seconds, and it's not invulnerability. Heck, rng defense has been removed in the KR version so it doesn't even work there.
>When a FM fucks up, they typically do so in form of getting cc'd..
Sin has pretty much the same health and defense as FM, but they're melee, so that's retarded. 'Getting CC'd' is a punishment for every class, and SINs die equally as fast. They're just easier to CC because they're not jumping backwards and keeping you at a distance. They rely on interaction.
>When a Sin fucks up, just flash grenade..
Your tab escape -is- the flashbang. At this point I know you already haven't done any research on SIN, but I'll humor you. Only one of the ways stun you at the exact same time, and that's only if Sidewinder (the dash, and no one even takes this at high-level pvp because there's better knockdown combos that put you behind than relying on this) lands from behind you. If someone is wasting Sidewinder to stun you when they're already in a position to guarantee the stealth, there was no point in taking Sidewinder. Once again, no research. I don't know what you're on about.
FM has just as many tools to escape from CC as Sin does, they have their own tab and all their 1, 2, 3 escapes from ccs, just like -every- class. FM has on-demand defensives and two more with 50. All of which are 5+ seconds of immunity. You currently have the 10+ seconds version, still. None of them require interaction, unlike SIN stealth.
These are all facts. Yours were speculation without any research. All of them were wrong. I sure hope you weren't the guy who said they played SIN and were using it as evidence against SINs.
>>124855672
You do have two recovery stealths. Tab and 2. If you think Sin is harder than FM you're retarded.
>>124855672
>Sins can't be broken out of stealth, they just have doubled evasion
The fuck? In what way does that mean they can't be taken out of stealth? You also appear to be taking an exaggeration at literal face value. If the entire rest of your combo misses in 1v1 it feels like an eternity of vulnerability.
>>124856087
I didn't say they didn't have more than one recovery stealth. I said they had the exact same number of cc escapes. What's funny is that it still functions like decoy and still requires you to fuck up, so if you knock someone down, don't hit them for 1.5 seconds? You still have .5 - 1.5 seconds after to hit them depending on knockdown duration.
Learn to fucking read before calling someone retarded, especially since my argument was literally never that SIN was harder, but that they were the only ones contesting with FM for second place in difficulty. I've had to reiterate this like five times now because people keep forcing my argument onto me as if I said it. I don't even care if you're not the same guy.
>>124856383
Just like every other greentext shorted quote in that response, I just shortened it so you knew what I was replying to. That should have been simple enough to understand. I was responding to the whole thing, not that one thing, because I would go over the post limit copy/pasting the entire quote.
You left it vague so I have no idea if you were saying if it's the SIN or FM missing the combo, so I'll address both. If a SIN uses their web on an opponent who still has f (12 sec cd) or tab (30 sec cd) up for their good combos (ie. ground web), it gets broken like two hits in and you can escape. Or, if it's about FM.. what FM does right now can't even be considered a combo except for the 6 second double cc they pull off, and it's practically impossible to miss that. It's usually just left-click/right-click and using abilities as per stacks.
>>124856397
>Sins contesting with FM for 2nd
>Not KFM or BM
no
Also that's an opinion
>>124856989
Did you come in part way through the fucking conversation and start having an autism seizure.
This all started because of
>>124840925
KFM is #1 difficulty, SIN/FM contesting for #2, BM is the only one I can think of being close because of Draw stance.
I literally said all of this and you're just acting retarded
>>124856790
But...Sins can be broken out of stealth and they can also go right back into stealth. I don't understand what you're contesting. That other part about webs and whatnot isn't really relevant either. What is even going on anymore
>>124857190
for your information I was having an autistic seizure before I even came in this thread
carry on
>>124857534
Feel free to give an example of how that doesn't involve your opponent fucking up and the SIN interacting with them to get the stealth off. Because SINs don't have a magical 'I auto-stealth' button right now. Every single stealth requires some form of setup. Yes, even the flashabng one you complained, which requires being CC'd, but you also know they're going to do it so you can be prepared to throw a straight-line skillshot at them or be ready to follow them as they jump backwards. Everything is predictable and isn't just going to magically happen. The only time they can stealth without any setup is at 50 when they can spec their X to stealth, but at that point, FMs will have their millions of auto-use defensives so you can just stall out eight uses of magical non-interaction stealth if you really need to.
You're spouting information that you haven't actually researched and I'm forced to try and respond to borderline semantics. That's what's happening.
I'll be back in 20 minutes because talking to however many people there are is giving me an aneurysm because 90% of the information is speculation on the class rather than actually knowing their skills.
Thank god I'm still too shit to have an opinion on this class tier shit. Otherwise I'd prolly be popping some veins right now.
>>124858581
Casual is the way to play. Ignorance is bliss.
>>124858142
Well, unless you count the one where you run and RMB. Also, you seem stuck on the idea of combos being the only form of damage, when there are attacks that don't end stealth.
Also, you're have this idea that if a class needs their opponent to fuck up, it's a difficult class, when pvp is literally all about your opponent fucking up. It doesn't matter if you're looking at a match with the most pro of pros. At some point they're going to attack each other. Going into stealth off of that attack isn't called your opponent fucking up, it's literally called pvping. Again, what are they going to do, not attack each other? If you want to go into stealth, you can fucking go into stealth. And once you go into stealth, if you're not complete shit, you control when you get out of stealth because anything that isn't an aoe can't target you, which, targeting is a damn good ability to have when you're trying to pull off a combo.
>Information you haven't actually researched
And yet, everything I've said has been true. Just because you're arguing with and don't agree with it doesn't make it untrue. Again, stop calling your opinions facts. You're doing exactly what everyone else is doing, and exactly what everyone else will continue to do when it comes to pvp. Speculate. Why? Because it's player versus fucking player. Not player vs. very specific and rigid skill rotation.
I'm saying, can you go from stealth into another stealth? The answer, yes, you fucking can. Don't add other bullshit to my one sentence. Can you fucking lose stealth, then go back into stealth shortly thereafter? Yes. You can. That is the answer. There is literally nothing to contest from that sentence. That is literally what I have been saying this entire time and for some fucking bizarre reason you've felt the need to argue with it on the grounds of "Well the opponent has to _____" well no shit, but the opponent is going to fucking _______ because this is pvp.
Reading this thread as plat. is kinda fun.
>>124860714
Come Friday where there will be zero discussion about anything that isn't censorship or erp.
>>124861040
Should be too busy playing Brawler
Hello my friends, I just got home.
>>124826585
Posting again for visibility.
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Hit view FB, close the window it opens, hit no thanks and get a key. Do it in incognito/private if you need more keys.
>>124855408
I'm a gold des, I'm pretty sure we're busted. I'm not even at 45 and geared yet and I'm walking over everybody who fucks up at all.
>>124861504
how ugly are you?
>>124864464
I'm not too happy with my eyes at the moment, so that's why I hide my face.
