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Putin lair edition
>What the fuck is this?
A general for all the realistic wargames out there that don't generate enough traffic to sustain their own generals.
>Old thread
>>124079191
>Attention grabbing search terms go here:
/wgg/, /fsg/, /mowg/, /mowassg/, /rtsg/, /ctag/, /dcsg/
>Example welcome games:
Wargame: Red Dragon
Combat Mission
Call to Arms
Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm
Graviteam Tactics
DCS: World
Theatre of War
Men of War
Falcon BMS
Command: Modern Air Naval Operations
Armored Brigade
Close Combat
Steel Beasts
Steel Panthers MBT
>Graviteam DLC:
http://pastebin.com/TwMLZQ6h (embed)
>Interesting history links:
Cold War military technology ads:
http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/military-ads-1980s
/wgg/ misc Cold War literature:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/zfm69f0k91pmf0y/wgg-lit-v1.3.rar
The Soviet Army: troops, organization & equipment
http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-3.pdf
USMC intelligence North Korea handbook:
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/nkor.pdf
>Steamgroups:
/wgg/ old group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VG-Wargamers
/wgg/ new group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dedgamededthread
Uralmod official group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Uralgraznomod
/wgg/ Men of War / Call to Arms Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ReReaGa
/fsg/ group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/flightsimgeneral
>Teamspeak server
uralmod.typefrag.com:7495
>Legacy Wargame General pasta and game-info repository:
http://pastebin.com/70Nwcb5m (embed)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lon0cgmjfqwq1oi/WargameRD_Hidden_Knowledge_Spreadsheet.xlsx?dl=0
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UvBiH3lrCFzLYnRzNzF49yVtaNHYLfi7dgMpNE517RM/
Best plane coming through
>>124683893
NICE MISS DICKHOLE
3rd for CAS (Close Artillery Support)
>>124683986
Would've gotten the kill with a warhead in it, but I assume they're testing a bunker buster
guys pls help with DCS 2.0
>>124683986
>>124684096
It's inert, it also hits the side of the turret creating a huge spark
>>124684007
air interdiction would have made it irrelevant
>>124685108
Wow DCS is looking really good these days
Is there any way to set MERs so that they loose only one bomb, or will they always empty the whole rack?
>11 posts
>3 IPs
Has /wgg/ just been the same 3 fags replying to eachother and themselves the entire time?
>>124685290
You just realized that now?
alas, i must bmp
>>124685898
>New thruster burns hot enough to incinerate tax dollars before they can billow out, fixing the final loophole in it's stealth ability now that there is no longer a contrail composed of American peasants' dreams of healthcare and affordable college.
>>124686072
>not aim-9x.webm
>>124686126
That's a good one. Fixed.
m60's a pretty tank, too bad it's shit
>>124687776
Still causes a lot of troubles for my T-55s in Graviteam Tactics
>>124688769
I'd like to know what thread that's from
I want to fuck a He-162, please help.
>>124688958
>being this naziboo
Kill yourself, son
>>124689178
I'm not a naziboo at all. Naziboos would never admit that their tanks are shit and they'd defend the dumbfucks that decided that centimeter band radar and strategic bombers are unfeasible.
>>124688405
but m8, you use T-72s in graviteam tactics
>>124689817
That's clearly a T-44 lad
>>124690057
maps +
GENERIC:
- Every transport helicopter is now available in Motorized deck with the exception of marine-reserved ones (Panther, Ka-29, CH-46).
- BMP-1's GROM gun accuracy increased from 20% to 35%
- 9M33M3 missile of OSA AKM accuracy increased from 50% to 55%
RECON:
- Chinese ZTQ-62G gun noise increased by about 20%
- British Gazelle AH.1 SNEB speed increased from 260kmh to 310kmh
- Danish Vildkat price increased from 20$ to 25$
- Japanese Hachi-Nana Shiki price increased from 25$ to 30$
INFANTRY:
- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport
- American Light Riflemen price reduced from 15$ to 10$
- British MILAN 2 squads avaialbility reduced to match other MILAN 2 squads
- Canadian Highlanders price reduced from 25$ to 20$
- Canadian Highlanders '75 & Highlanders '90 now have access to Grizzly and Bison as transport
TANK:
- Soviet T-72BU top armor reduced from 5 to 4
- N-Korean T-90 top armor reduced from 5 to 4
- N-Korean Ch'onma-Ho IV optics increased from poor to medium
>>124690514
SUPPORT:
- Soviet 9M33 missile used by the OSA loses the radar trait, range set to 2800/2275
- Soviet BM-27 Uragan availability reduced from 3/2 to 2/1
- Soviet 2K22 Tunguska avialability increased from 4/3 to 5/4
- British Starstreak missile accuracy increased from 55% to 65% and HE increased from 5 to 6
- British Starstreak missile range vs ground targets reduced from 2800m to 2625m
- British Starstreak missile range vs helicopters increased from 2975m to 3150m
- British Starstreak missile range vs planes increased from 2275m to 2450m
- British Stormer HMV is now available in Armoured decks
- British Stormer HMV price increased from 70$ to 75$
- British FV 432 Mortar carrier ammo loadout reduced from 200 to 160
- British Tracked Rapier availability increased from 6/4 to 8/6
- British Tracked Rapier FSA range vs planes increased from 3500m to 3850m
- British Tracked Rapier FSA service date moved from 1983 to 1990
- British Tracked Rapier FSA price increased from 50$ to 55$
- British M270 MLRS now use cluster ammunitions
- Canadian ADATS is now available in Armoured decks
- Canadian ADATS prototyped, availability reduced to 1 card of 4
- Canadian ADATS front & side armor increased from 1 to 2
- Canadian ADATS accuracy increased to 70%
- Canadian ADATS range vs helicopters increased from 3150m to 3325m
- Canadian ADATS range vs planes increased from 2450m to 2625m
- Canadian ADATS price increased from 90$ to 110$
>>124690514
>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport
>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport
We made a floating block of metal.
>>124690574
VEHICLES:
- Soviet BTR-80A availability per card increased by one step
- E-German SPz BMP-1 SP-1 price reduced from 15$ to 10$
- Soviet BMP-1 availability increased by one step
- Polish BWP-1 availability increased by one step
- CSSR BVP-1 availability increased by one step
- N-Korean Korshun availability increased by one step
- E-German SPz BMP-1 SP-2 availability increased by one step
- E-German SPz BMP-1 P/c availability increased by one step
- Soviet BMP-2 obr.86 availability increased by one step
- CSSR BVP-2 cz.86 availability increased by one step
- British Warrior ammunition loadout doubled from 120 to 240
- ANZAC Vickers Mk.11 availability reduced to a single card
- ANZAC Vickers Mk.11 optics increased from bad to medium
- Danish M/92-PNMK price reduced from 25$ to 20$
- S-Korean KAFV 40/50 price increased from 10$ to 15$
HELICOPTER:
- Polish Mi-2 and W-3T Sokol removed from Mechanized, Armored and Support decks
- Polish Mi-24D added to Armored, Support and Mechanized decks
- Polish W3-W Sokol price reduced from 75$ to 70$
- American MH-60L DAP price increased from 60$ to 65$
- Danish Lynx removed from Mechanized, Armored and Support decks
- W-German Bo-105P/BSH availability increased by 1 step from 4/3 to 6/4
PLANES:
- Soviet Mig-29S price reduced from 135$ to 130$
- American F-111E & F-111F's ECM increased to 30%
- British Jaguar GR.1A missile range increased from 2975m to 3150m
- ANZAC F/A-18A Hornet price reduced from 140$ to 125$
- ANZAC Mirage 1110(A) price reduced from 80 to 65
- W-German Tornado IDS price reduced from 140$ to 130$
- French Mirage 5F price reduced from 110$ to 100$
- French VBL Mistral removed from Mechanized deck
>>124690584
yeh multiple people pushed for a buff to light infantry to make highlanders and us light rifles and the eb shit viable, ideally without buffing gornos, and eugen did the exact opposite of what was intended by the advice
This patch is way better than the last shitty one
>finally getting into DCS
>only full-simulation aircraft I have is the Meme-21bis and Su-25T included in basegame
>have FC3 but nothing in that is full-autism
How much do you guys think shit will be on sale for in a week or so? Wasn't everything -70% last x-mas? I want that A-10C. Maybe the Czech trainer shitpile too.
Also, I've tried running the 1.5beta and shit just crashes every time I try to load any mission that isn't one of the "training" ones. Have tried refuckulating my graphics settings all the way down to low, didn't help, so now I'm back on the default Steam version.
Finally, does anyone know how to get this piece of shit engine to interact nicely with Steam? never shows me as ingame and I have no overlay, game launches just fine in its own window that Steam doesn't want to talk to. Have tried searching both Steam and DCS/ED forums but no one knows shit.
>>124690514
>Chinese ZTQ-62G gun noise increased by about 20%
Okay. For what though?
>>124691259
To make it easier to detect the stealth tank by listening I guess.
>>124691259
To make it easier to spot when its shooting at things. It's very powerful force recon.
>>124691143
Sales likely won't be more than 40% off anymore as stated by ED in some news post a while ago
Dunno about the crashing, try making a separate clean install of the beta
>Patch is almost entirely CW and Soviet buffs
I'm ok with this
>BMP is now 35% accuracy.
Which means it's objectively a better gun platform than most actual tanks even close to that price range.
>>124692410
>ADATS now 70% accuracy.
>Range against helicopters 3325m
For 10 points more, you'll get a Tunguska-M missile that can destroy tanks with a higher accuracy than any PACT ground vehicle.
LNS said that the Viggen is almost done, right?
Fuck me I'm so hype
Full fidelity modern multirole with a2g radar
>>124693336
You also lose the gun that demolishes planes without playing RNG games, and ADATS missiles cost a lot more to resupply. As an AA piece the tunguska is still superior.
>>124693741
It seems like a lot of shit is pretty close to completion, I would imagine after 2.0 comes out we'll have a steady stream of new aircraft coming out each month if ED makes the devs space out the releases to be 1 a month or something.
F-18 should be pretty close to complete, F-14 early next year, bunch of WW2 planes, Viggen, Gazelle,eurofighteretc...which will probably be garbage because VEAO,
>>124694191
Hey did you know that if you aren't a shitter you have a SEAD plane behind what ever other plane you bring out.
Wow with this info you'll probably improve your gameplay by like 40%.
You're welcome btw.
>>124693336
>>124694191
And the WZ-550 costs 30pts less than the ADATS with a better ATGM
>>124694247
>not microing your 100pt radar AA
I think it's clear who the shitter is here
>>124694235
I'd say we'll be VERY lucky to get F-14 before 2017. F-5E looks likely for early 2016 though.
>>124694235
>F-14 early next year
Official estimate is second half of next year. They said in the September update that they're focusing more on the other two modules.
>>124694594
I was under the impression the F-14A model would be early next year with the A+ and B coming later, either way, we're getting a lot of content in the new year probably.
Any other alpha males play Combat Mission?
Any of you boys hyped for TALOS?
ODSTs are gonna be real, except without the drop pods
>>124694736
>Orbital Drop Shock Trooper
>without the Orbital Drop
m8
>>124694365
>spending this much time microing an overly expensive unit.
it's okay you tried though bob.
>>124694728
is that on steam?
>>124694717
Their internal beta is scheduled for early next year afaik, not the final product. That would be insane. LN announced the tomcat long before it was near completion just because of the hardon it gives people as a one off.
>>124695153
Ah okay, I must have misread that at some point. I just hope that LN and ED are able to make carrier ops more realistic with pitching decks and whatnot. It'll be pretty important for the F-18 module too.
>>124695076
Only on their website store.
>>124694935
>implying radar micro is hard and not just expected of any competent player
Calm down slavaboo, everyone in war game is entitled to super units, especially the Soviets.
>>124695076
Playing Combat Mission Black Sea at the moment, it's pretty good.
>>124694883
well whatever Spartans then
psuedo power armor will be real in our lifetimes, pretty cool
>>124695323
Any torrentiño?
>>124695285
>Defending an ATGM unit that is better than a TOW2 also being the best anti helicopter unit in the game.
Why is Eagle Dynamics getting so much shit done lately? You'd think that half of the stuff they'll release next year, like a plane with proper A2G radar would've been a thing by the time FC2 came out.
>>124698507
Because it's not Eagle Dynamics.
>>124698507
All the awesome stuff such as A2G radar, theaters that are actually interesting, WW2 AI units and such are done by LNS and not ED though
>>124698539
Pretty sure the A2G radar and ground vehicles actually fucking navigating around obstacles is something made by ED, not third parties.
>>124698507
>>124699101
ED make the technology.
Like multi seat, and ground radards, map makers yada yada.
The others use it for a nice amount of shekels per sold module.
>>124699353
My question stands still. Why are they getting so much shit done just now?
>>124699546
I guess all the years of silent work are coming to fruition.
> these bmp-1 changes
> mfw GDR fan
>>124701169
Best Germany is Best
I miss reserveshutzen in bmp-1
Auferstanden aus Ruinen.mp3
>>124696506
Funny, I didn't know Crotale could shoot tanks.
>>124702886
Well, ADATs does have higher accuracy and same range as Crotale now. This puts commonwealth in a pretty good spot, and gives a reason to take NORAD over regular USA. I'm looking forward to getting home and trying out bong armored with the Stormer and upgraded rapier though.
>tfw sturmpioneers in BMP-1s
What is LHV I can't find it anywhere and he also said Ottomatic but I don't think I have access to that.
These were corrections to a Scandinavian mech deck
>>124691143
>does anyone know how to get this piece of shit engine to interact nicely with Steam?
>using Steam with DCS
Stop using DCS on Steam. There is literally no benefit, only additional headaches. The reason nobody cares is because nobody who has been using DCS for a long time has it on Steam. They either started standalone, or moved to standalone from Steam.
source: I ran standalone, moved to Steam for a short time, no benefits, only drawbacks, went back to standalone.
>>124705914
Okay rate my corrections
>>124694235
F-18 is nowhere near finished and F-14 is not going to be early next year. F-14 will be middle of next year in the best possible unrealistically optimistic case. More than likely it'll be either the end of next year or early 2017.
Viggen and Corsair seem possible for early next year.
>>124699101
LNS is probably making their own radar model again, just like they did for the MiG-21's radar and its RSBN. There is no DCS level radar, so LNS made a custom radar model using just basic engine hooks. The RSBN system was introduced after MiG-21 by ED with the L-39, but the MiG-21 needed one so they just made their own RSBN system.
Same is probably happening for their air to ground radar. They'll make their own radar model and then ED will release F-18 in 6 years with the "canon" DCS air-air/air-ground full fidelity radar model.
>>124691143
>>124706665
Not true. I've been on Steam version forever now, you can mix the installs very easily. If there's something you want on sale on steam, buy it. It's always compatible with the store version.
>>124707259
Sales only go one way. Standalone can buy and use keys from the Steam store and DCS store, but Steam can't use keys from the DCS store.
>>124707438
Not true. I'm using store keys right now on DCS, stuff like MiG-21 and L-39. You just have to mix your installation.
>>124690620
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>>124690620
It's gonna deflect the living shit out of them radars.... right?
Bump (lazy edition)
>>124708063
watch it get BTFO by Exocet missiles that some towelheads somehow got a hold of because it just sat within visual range of the shore for days
it would be like that one time Serbs shot down a Nighthawk that had been flying the same route at the same hour for weeks
>>124693336
But now it's shit against planes so Canada, while getting even better anti helo it didn't need, instead now still gets fucked by fixed wing
American 5th Infantry Div. in the North
Entrenched British armor in the South
9. Panzerdivision can respond to either
Pick a battlefield, Kommandant.
>>124714875
Go beat up the Americans
Did anyone notice the new map?
>>124714875
Remove Burger
>>124706770
6.3/10
>>124718091
You mean the 6 new maps?
If German ingenuity was so good why was one of their most successful tanks a copy of the dirty slavs T-34?
BMP IS FIGHT
>>124720174
>"copy"
It was 10 times more expensive
>>124718091
the 38th one is nice
You know with the recent updates i can't help but wonder how alive is Wargame nowadays?
>>124721854
Dedder thanDinobotin Beast Wars
>>124722192
You had to remind me
>>124720174
It wasn't
http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.nl/2012/07/wwii-myths-t-34-best-tank-of-war.html
Reminder that Russian tanks are all death raps and the Soviets only win because of zerg rush tactics
>>124724586
>literally every historian cites the T-34 as the best tank of world war 2
>one article on the internet dosent
>hurr durr T-34 a beath bap :D
>>124724961
>replying to Bob
At least wait till the thread's about to fall.
>>124724961
>literally every historian
>T-34 as the best tank of world war 2
literally only because it could be spammed to death
>>124724586
>>124724961
>>124725149
I love you guys
My NEWA just killed my own Wilk :(
Who's that planemon?
>>124730289
Where are the intakes?
>>124730289
Hungarian MiG-21s with fake USAF markings
>>124694736
>Spend 80 gorillion-billion-trillion dollars per soldier
>Still lose occupational conflicts against dirt farmers with pajamas and AK's
>All this fancy tech for some non-existant symmetrical opponents with the non-existant threat of another world war over our heads in which conventional warfare would somehow transpire despite the existence of nukes and the high likelyhood that both sides would chimp out and pre-emptively press the button in fear of the other side doing so first.
>Slowly becoming 3rd world nation because of this.
I'm starting to get a bit salty every time I see shit like this. Especially with that new shitty 'stealth boat' that they just launched from Maine the other day that cost 4.4 billion.
>>124730691
Oh come on, everyone knows the Zummwalt class is just the same kind of song and dance that the Seawolf class was.
>>124728694
thank you patch #2 :^)
>>124731178
It just irks the shit out of me, especially because I was in the military and got to see just how much tax dollars get flushed down the toilet on useless, frivolous shit to begin with, that dumb projects like the F-35 and this stupid ass boat are just the icing on the shit cake.
>All this fancy tech shit for non-existant pixy dust enemies that are actually willing to fight some nuclear-armed super power in conventional battle.
>Trillions of dollars on contractors
>But can't be arsed to make sure food is delivered to COPs that troops in active warzones are stationed at.
>Constantly trying to stiff veterans out of their benefits
>Constantly crying 'broke' when people back home ask for services that even countries with 1/50th the income manage to provide.If I thought it would change anything, I'd probably run Cheney over with a truck before being ventilated by his blackwater guards. We can at least be productive with our suicide rates.
>>124731786
>F-35
>dumb project
>>124731786
That destroyer is only the tip of the iceberg, they're planning on putting a railgun on it at some point if they can downsize it.
The whole boat will scream "SHOOT ME I'M EXPENSIVE AS FUCK" and someone will end up doing exactly that.
>>124731910
>Can't even beat an F-16 in a dogfight
>Tiny payload
>Stealth memes.
>>124683818
First weekend of hostilities went pretty well for some and not so well for others. Congratulations to Stream Snipers and Filthy Casuals who are now in Round 2 (which doesn't start till the 21st).
We currently have 17 teams but there is still room for more. No new teams will be accepted after the 21st, so if you want in then sign up!
For anyone already in the tourney, make sure you are posting in the matchmaking thread so that you can get your matches played before it is too late.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wggtourney
>>124732192
By that logic the Su-27S is better than the F-15C.
>>124732192
Am I going to have to bring out the bingo chart?
>>124732192
>>Can't even beat an F-16 in a dogfight
>didn't have relevant software and was being tested in a specific scenario with limitations, not a real world 1v1 dogfight
>doesn't need to get into a dogfight, will kill F-16 before it can even see it
>even if it gets into a turn fight it'll just AIM-9X it out of the sky while it's unable to get a lock
>>Tiny payload
>can take external stores and still remain more stealthy than F-16
>with internal stores it is much less likely to be shot down
>greater range, F-16 needs to sacrifice pylons for drop tanks on pretty much every single mission
>>Stealth memes.
>F-16
>no low-observability
>almost 2016
>>124732347
>>124732452
>>124732535
>Muh BVR
>N-No, Stealth works, really!
I almost wish conventional wars weren't obsolete just so those two memes can finally be undeniably refuted over and over.
>>124732986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw
>>124732986
Now I know this is b8
>>124732452
We've already got bingo
it's like I'm really on /k/
GORNO '90 IN BTR-90
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HATO SCUM ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>124732347
But it is, comrade.
>>124732986
>stealth tech hasn't advanced since the 80's
ok fam
>>124735637
>fam
Wait how did you do that?
>gotta make sure i keep my guys well supplied in this very low income match :^)
>>124735637
Oh, and what has changed that actually makes it anything other than a buzzword?
senpai fam
>>124735908
smh tbh fam
>>124735929
>ML_Alexandr
didn't expect to see him in these 10v10s
is he right?
>>124694935
Yeah, no. He's right.
You're a fucking shitter, lrn2micro your units faggot.
>>124736048
Computers became orders of magnitude more powerful, allowing for much better anti radar shapes to be computed.
>>124737126
Gorno 90s have the highest AP of any infantryborn ATGM in the game.
>>124738985
>what is the Milan 3
>>124737126
26 ap
twenty fucking six it will do at least 4 bars to anything under 160
>>124739157
They have the same 26AP anon. So dose the RBS 56. It is still the highest.
>>124691830
Well, shit, -40% is still good enough, I guess.
Will do a clean install soon just to see if that does anything.
>>124706665
What are the drawbacks other than Steam apparently not being able to interface with the game at all? I'd originally tried this as standalone a couple years ago but never did much and eventually uninstalled, bought FC3 and the MiG-21 through steam during the sale for Thanksgiving.
Finally, I see that the Mirage 2000C's going into beta for the people that pre-ordered it this month. That means it'll be out very early next year, right?
Otherwise the leaked stuff looks pretty interesting, just waiting on them to come out's going to be an issue, Guess I can make it to early 2017 at the latest before seeing those Tomcats (speaking of which, which F-14 are we getting? A? D?) and Super Hornets.
>>124739730
Steam has the benefit of having download servers that don't run on dial-up, it's not as bad as some people say compared to standalone, there really is very little difference.
F-14 will be the A, A+, and B variants
We will never get a super bug, just the regular bug
>>124730289
>Mig 21 with intake covered.
Does that shit fool anyone? I bet it doesn't even fly.
>>124740003
For some reason I thought the C was superhornet, but it's the -E.
F-14A-B are pretty neat, should be fun.
>>124739730
With Steam, you now have 2 layers of DRM over your game and I hate having to put up with Starforce by itself. It's just added headaches. The other is that I don't trust Steam to manage anything that is often modded.
On top of that, there's the sales thing where you can't buy things from the DCS store and use them on Steam anymore. That used to be a thing, but not anymore. Maybe it's changed again based on what some anon said earlier, and if they did that's news to me.
Standalone also gets stuff earlier and access to betas and alphas. Often, servers will use beta versions of patches, and to my knowledge you can't use those on Steam. In terms of modules, MiG-21 for example was available for like a month on standalone before it was released on Steam. It was cheaper on the DCS store as well. If you want a more recent example, the 2.0 alpha (NTTR) is unplayable on Steam.
I also don't trust the Steam version of DCS to work correctly because ED doesn't care about Steam.
That ED even made 1.5 available at all on Steam is unusual and not the norm.
There are only 2 positives I can think of to ever running DCS on Steam.
1. You have a hard on for Steam tracking your hours. If you want Steam chat and whatever you can do whatever it is that people do that.
2. When a patch gets pushed to live, Steam will update faster because the DCS Updater is slow. Honestly though, until the 2.0 alpha and its 30GB downloads, I've never had any problems with the DCS Updater and found it to be very reliable and do everything that Steam would do, but with more control and safer.
A new patch, a new nerf for China.
>>124741062
Ya, because DLC 3 and Map Pack one were not both fantastic for China.
>>124740847
Add browsing while playing to the Steam list (although the Steam browser is shit) since the standalone game hangs itself if you alt-tab out for too long.
>>124741825
I just play the game in fullscreen window and alt-tab like a madman. Even when I do play in true fullscreen (I swap back and forth between the two very often depending on what I'm doing) I haven't had much problem with alt-tabbing.
>>124740847
>If you want Steam chat and whatever you can do whatever it is that people do that.
Pretty much just this, it's getting annoying having to pause and alt-tab every time some fucking sperg messages me. Otherwise it'd be a non-issue, will start looking around for that fix.
Going to work on getting my Steam keys tied to my ED account finally and probably just run the standalone, but still going to avoid the beta updates for a while. Looks like the issue I'm having is in both 1.5 and 2.0 betas. May just be a graphics driver thing, I haven't updated my Catalyst bullshit in a month.
Also probably going to pre-order that Mirage while it's only $48..
>>124740847
>2 layers of DRM
What the fuck are you talking about? There's only one layer, and it's starforce.
>>124740516
Apparently it's a prop for the upcoming movie "Spectral". It's being shot in Hungary, so they're just working with what's available (MiG-21s and MiG-23s).
>>124742963
To me it's the same as clicking Play on a game in Steam, which launches another launcher like UPlay or Origin, and then launches the game from there.
It's another layer that doesn't need to be there.
>>124742963
A decent number of games require you to be logged into steam to play them, practically all of them are steamworks. Since they unfucked the offline mode awhile back this isn't a major issue, like the guy you replied to i'd rather have it not exist.
There is going to be a discussion spanning multiple threads if steam is drmIt obviously is, fucktard
>>124743196
You don't have to have steam running for a huge majority of games. It simply uses Steam to download and version-check. You can download it, delete steam, and still play your game.
>>124743225
Most games do not require it.
>shitposting/elitism about steam vs standalone intensifies
Bored burger here.
Would LOSAT be balanceable?
It goes without saying that the existing ATGM vehicles for US are abysmal. (Vehicles, not NOD stealth tanks.)
An 80 kg missile is pretty enormous. 1500 m/s is pretty fast. So it's an AP round that weighs as much as an American teenager. It's lighter successor, the CKEM, killed an ERA-equipped T-72 in a (doubtless scripted) 2007 test.
Obviously it can't have its full 5km+ range, but would a KE-type and -speed doom-ATGM be too inherently unbalanced, even on the god-awful humvee chassis?
>>124743957
It was an honest question, I never intended to start this bullshit.
>>124743107
that grey paint scheme makes me want to vomit
Guys please help
How do I into DCS 2.0
>>124744568
You're not at fault, the autists in this thread are
Use whichever platform you want, the differences are barely noticeable unless you're a sperg.
Just remember to not buy things from the DCS store if you want to use the steam version.
>tfw shreking forums hato-apologists playing ussr
>while playing "oh so underpowered" blue dragons
My DCS 2.0 says that it doesn't have any terrains installed.
Is the Georgian one not working and/or is the Nevada one available without paying?
What was with that 200MB update for Red Dragon?
>>124714875
I'd have said bongs but burger seems to be the main course.
>>124747205
Black Sea is not compatible yet, you need to purchase Nevada to use 2.0Maybe you should read things before blindly updating
>>124748087
I mean, it doesn't matter, I still have the old version. Plus, I was under the impression that the map would be free during open alpha and then would be not free once it got out of open alpha
>>124747302
New maps and a set of balance changes you can find up hear
>>124690514
>>124748589
>ED
>handing out content for free
>even if for a brief amount of time
I think you're forgetting who runs the DCS show, my man.
>tfw just finished a total destruction game that took 2 hours
I never want to play Wargame again
>>124749195
>micro hard for the first 30 minutes of a match
>25 APM for the rest feeling ridiculously burnt out
50mm HE headlevel air burst -> 1 HE
40mm HE ground level explosion -> 1.5 HE
Ok Eugen.
>>124744134
Range scaling is used in wargame to keep things manageable. 5km range IRL results in 2800m ingame (see the soviet Kokon series, and take note the 8km hellfire is also 2800m, putting the Kokon and LOSAT at the low end of the 2800m bracket). I really dont know enough to say whether 25 (TOW-2), 26 (Hellfire, HJ-9, Maverick B) or 28AP (Kh-23M, Kh-25ML, Kh-66, all fixed wing exclusives) would be appropriate, but I think 30AP, which requires an explosive warhead that outmasses the entire LOSAT missile by quite alot, would be too much.
Make it 75pt or 80 if the speed is really high, maybe go to 85 or 90 if you want to give it 28AP.
>>124750654
is balance ouis?
>>124750879
What missile has 30 AP, out of curiosity?
>Make it 75pt or 80 if the speed is really high, maybe go to 85 or 90 if you want to give it 28AP.
28 KE AP would probably be worth the extremely dubious HMMV chassis and the 4 missile ammo capacity, assuming decent accuracy. Assuming semi-genuine speeds, flight time is ~2 seconds at max range.
28 HE makes it impractically expensive. Paying +30 points for 3 AP and some flight time over the Tow-2 HMMV doesn't exactly give me a raging freedom boner.
>>124753320
The Kh-29 (both D and T), the AS30L, AJ 168 and later model Mavericks (E, F and G).
Why on earth would you give it a 4 missile capacity, even the Humvee with the TOW-2 has 8. Only IFVs and obsolete ATGMs with budget price tags and a literal jeep mounting tend to get 4 shots.
You need to look at the Shturm-S and WZ-550 for pricing, the 2625m-2800m range jump is very expensive for ATGMs.
I was also assuming a 70% accuracy and somehow failed to mention that, you could easily drive its cost down by reducing that, but that really doesn't seem all that authentic.
>>124740003
A+ and B are the same thing we are only getting two variants
>>124743107
>fulcrums in USAF service
how retarded are these people
>>124757750
>Mig21
>Fulcrum
Nigga what
It is my expert opinion that your favorite plane is a piece of shit because its most important feature is a meme and has no relevance in a modern combat scenario. I will now post pictures of embarrassing failures of your country's technology in an attempt to ridicule your position until you grow tired of arguing with me and leave.
>>124758029
Sorry, I meant Fitter
>muh undeadable abrahams
>>124759214
how the fuck does something like that even happen
>>124759573
The cluster bomb designers didn't even attempt to make an aerodynamic bomb since accuracy wasn't considered important. It gets carried very easily by air.
>>124759806
Damn, are those rockeyes btw?
>>124760026
I believe so yeah.
>>124760026
>>124760121
They look like CBU 87/97s
>>124760121
>that guy near the box that nearly gets decapitated
GG, Apache pilot.
>>124760297
I think it's pretty obvious that ground crews are just peasents, and since i am a pilot i am a superior human being, oh hello grou-
>>124760460
I am not saying that US antiships missiles are so slow that F-18 hornets can keep up with them quite easily.
>>124755550
Because he missiles are so huge you literally can't fit more than 4 of them on the back of a HMMV. Seriously.
The design proposed 4 + 6/8 (can't remember which) in a trailer. I guess it could have 10-12 missles on that basis, given that the one Scandinavia info squad has a 200+kg RR as their anti-tank weapon.
>>124760698
What an impressive impact I am sure that one container it hit really is very damaged.
>>124759379
>iraqi flag
We all know how Arabs fight, they can make anything look bad, Soviet/Russian or US.
>>124760460
Nice ejection there.
>>124759379
>No one in thread implying otherwise.
>Iraqi Army ever making anyone's equipment look good.
>Tank was probably abandoned long before being destroyed anyway.
>>124762520
Yeah, some pilots prefer ejecting before hitting the ground, some don't.
>>124759235
Really I thought it was a Fagot
>>124763060
No, that's you
Is there anybody here who has the patience to help someone who is new to wargame get gud?
>>124761592
Funniest thing is, he actually lived.
>>124763243
I'm willing to try to help you, Anon. But I'm on a business trip right now. Can you wait a day or two?
>>124764812
If I have to
>>124761093
Americans are civilized and understand that you don't need 10000kg of explosive to destroy a ship with no armor
>>124764997
>Americans are civilized
>>124765154
he said as he raped another german woman
>>124765245
You don't know me.
>>124765429
>not denying it
>>124764968
Hey I'm shit also. What's your steam? Let's be shit together
>>124766409
just say something in wargame chat
>>124767721
I'm not on but I guess I'll go get on.
>>124745348
>Muh modern asthetic
>>124767919
I can't stay up too late since I have to be up at 0530, but we can try again later this week.
>>124768169
>0530
Don't be an autist
>>124769241
You know the US is like the only place that uses a 12 hour clock, right? 12 hour clocks are stupid as shit.
>>124690514
So can someone explain this one to me?
- Danish Lynx removed from Mechanized, Armored and Support decks
What is the purpose of this? All I lost was the ability to have danish recon infantry in a chopper.
>>124769241
>>124770061
I'm in the military. As far as I'm concerned, a clock should have 24 hours.
>this programming cannot be undone
>>124769241
>Using a 12 hour clock like a retard
>>124771653
Same. I'm an American but there's no way I'm going back to 12 hour clocks. Whoever came up with that crap is stupid as shit.
Praetor you're a fucking retard.
>10v10
>the enemy manages to advance some units ahead by one treeline
>7 of my teammates quit one by one
>>124772290
>Playing team games in an RTS
>Playing team games in an RTS with pubbers
>Playing team games in an RTS with pubbers in a 'lol so many players XDDD' mode.
>Coming here to complain about your shit experiences after.
Hey, Wgg. What are the biggest factors that make Wargame so defensively favored? Are these ideas anywhere in the right neighborhood?
1. Smoke is sluggish and difficult to use. Artillery has too little effect against entrenched Infantry if it doesn't actually kill the entire squad.
1a. I think that this might be helped by adding status effects to inf, same as Vehicles. E.g. Sergeant Killed. Rocket Launcher Lost.
2. Indestructible terrain. See that bamboo shack? It's an invisibility cloak/bunker forever, even if burned to the ground. Forests are less guilty of this, but only marginally.
3. Absolutely insane Optics system. This, along with 2, is what makes tanks and helicopters relatively ineffective if not spammed. It's nearly impossible to fire back against ATGM or ADN (missile) even with grotesquely indiscriminate weapons like 100+mm rockets.
3a. This is particularly bad with forests edge/town ATGMs. Firing guided ATGMs directly at the front of a T-90/Abrams is an excellent way to get killed. The several seconds that your missile takes to reach your target is plent of time for a tank (with modern optics, who is directly facing you) to figure out roughly where you are and blast you.
What am I missing?
>>124774379
dumb balance and pricing that favours tactics where nearly none of your units are expendable, and those that are, are worthless performance wise.
Artillery that is so weak it can't be used offensively, but strong enough to destroy single units vital for offence.
No call in timers for planes so they are always a get out of jail free card if people advance 5cm beyond AA net.
Maps full of choke points.
And worst of all, a sighting system that gives you no ability to see if an area has been checked for units, and invisible people standing in fields because they have stealth emitters.
NAME A BETTER ANTI-HELO SAM THAN THE ADATS!
protip: You can't because you can't see any other anti-helo SAMs because all of your recon helos are dead.
>>124773496
>not playing multiplayer RTS games
>not realizing that there are never any 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4 lobbies open because ded game
>not bitching on 4chan
I'll give you the point about pubs.
>>124774379
>>124774640
shitters
>>124771227
to rid mixed mech decks of heli cv inf
>>124774379
Imo everything could be fixed if instead of the retarded camouflage system we had now the "stealth" of your units progressively degraded as long as they were within line of sight of an enemy unit.
Higher optics and numbers being present would cause "stealth" to degrade faster.
This means you wouldn't be able to get away with static defenses, sit in the enemy's LOS long enough and they'll fucking see you.
>>124774890
>everyone is a shitter but me.
>>124774379
4. Tanks mysteriously lack even the most basic of counter measures from WW2 like smoke launchers because 'waahh, micro'.
5. Defense doesn't really have to do anything once their shit is in place. It's very hands off.
6. Game limits the amount of units you can field, which automatically favors defense.
7.Recon units are dogshit and often miss shit that you should easily be able to see.
8.Everything about infantry is just incredibly slapped together and lazy. It's just utterly fucked from multiple angles.
9. SEAD is useless against anyone that isn't totally asleep at the wheel.
10.Artillery is ass compared to EE. Little means of making people move from entrenched positions unless you use very specific units from certain nations.
11.Slow game pacing lets any retard casually react to your maneuvers with panic-buys or planes.
>>124774998
mite b cool
It would need to work both ways, though; an OH-58 flying by at max speed shouldn't be able to spot a sniper team that's sitting still in the middle of a forest and not shooting.
>>124774697
>not realizing that there are never any 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4 lobbies open because ded game
Hence why I stopped playing. Eugene ruined any chance for Wargame being enjoyable with ALB and it's just been dieing a slow death to casualitis cancer since. Team matches are never balanced, and if you're not with friends, you can't even communicate effectively, making the point of a team entirely moot. There's just no purpose to team games in an RTS besidespeople wanting to hide how bad they are by blending in with a crowd and hopefully getting carried or at least having others to blame.
>>124774379
>1. I disagree. The dispersion is generally shit though, you can spot and mortar/blast a light vehicle only to have it be scared shitless without a scratch on it.
>1a That would hit me in the feels.
>2. True, but that would make everyone spam attack aircraft and artillery just to destroy entire cities so the enemy can't use them.
>3. >>124774998 has a good idea
>3a. This is why you spread out your ATGMs and call in ATGM helicopters and airplanes.
>>124775116
>4. having those would be nice
>5. Let them do it, that just means you can figure out where their stuff is and kill it
>6. I guess
>7. I disagree, if anything some of them are quite a bit OP (able to see tiny shit in forests from beyond ATGM/AA range)
>8. how so?
>9. Very true. I can't count the number of times I've had SEAD aircraft not shoot at something unless I can see the offending radar AA ahead of time with recon
>10. yup
>11. but I like the pace...
>>124774640
>>124775116
Thanks.
Speaking of micro. It's funny that even the micro hell that is MOW2AS has artillery (mortars, technically) auto-fire at visible enemies. Only the equivalent of MLRS (Howitzers) require manual fire.
>>124774998
>>124775234
Might be cool indeed. If only these things were easily moddible. It'd be cool to try these out.
>>124776296
But the point in 3a is that it's not really necessary to do either, defensively.
ATGM inf/vehicles in cover are literally invincible against non-position Fire until after they've gotten several volleys off. Let that sink in. They can't be killed because invisibility = invincibility against direct fire in WG. This is silly.
>>124776752
>ATGM inf/vehicles in cover are literally invincible against non-position Fire until after they've gotten several volleys off
Really? All of my shit becomes visible once it starts firing, especially if recon is anywhere nearby.
>>124777007
for me recon ATGM vehicles and ATGM infantry stay stealthed while ATGMs in the vehicle tab always get spotted
>>124776296
>>8. how so?
Not same anon.
But Infantry has no way in forests or fields to protect themselves from HE (Foxholes/hasties are a common thing for infantry to know how to do) They stay tightly clustered even in blocks of buildings, Ratjer then spreading out to be an effective unit.
Buildings hold a single inf group no matter how large, a single building can fit fourty people if they are all in a single unit.
INF is not smart enough to wait for AT to be effective before firing it (Most militaries train this so they don't need to be baby sat.)
Probably more stuff too, but really with the scale war game tries to portray units over all need to beable to make basic decisions, like, My weapon has a 2000km range, we have 6 shots for it, we can't pen the armor on that tank unless we are lucky, and our accuracy drops off at that range anyways, let's shoot all the shots!
You shouldn't need that level of micro on units when you are normally having multiple fronts and multiple units.
>>124777090
Huh. I'll have to experiment with that.
>>124777007
Try approaching a town with ATGM inf in it with low-high Optics vehicles at full speed. You will take multiple shots before the spotting system lets you shoot back.
As for vehicles, just try attacking a position with NOD Stealth Tanks. Uh. I mean Scout Bradleys.
Anyway. I'm going to sleep. I'll come back tomorrow after playing buffed CW and complain about the fact that it isn't USSR.
>>124777357
>As for vehicles, just try attacking a position with NOD Stealth Tanks. Uh. I mean Scout Bradleys
I kek'd
IRL Bradleys are not the least bit stealthy.
>>124777581
Neither are Chinese recon tanks, but stealth is an attribute that eugen decided all recon vehicles should have
>>124776346
MoW actually does handle quite a bit automatically if you let it. Sometimes not very well, but it at least tries. In fact, the higher in level of play you go, the more important it becomes to 'partition' your micro and not sit around trying to micromanage every little thing, but rather, find a balance between what to delegate to the AI, and what you should bother directly controlling. Sometimes it's actually fairly advantagous to select a group of infantry and spam F1 to chuck a mass of grenades, rather than direct controlling one guy to crawl up and throw a single cooked one. particularly when attempting a 'shock' type of attack.
Osa gets the emergency optical mode, but Roland2 doesn't get the optical normal mode.
Madmat told us 100 times Roland2 can't have it, because it's an emergency mode(which is bs) and other AA units like OSA have such an mode, too. Eugen keeps on braking their own rules: Roland2, PzF3, Eurofighter, Mi24V, APILAS, Patriot, PzH2000, S300
It made a unit never take (base OSA) an actual consideration now.
>"Eugen this is unacceptable!"
>>124732986
I'm amazed the US didn't turn its crash site into a crater with another bombing.
>>124777186
They do get a -40% damage in forest and -70% in buildings. Also close range AT weapons have about a 1.5x multiplier on their AP power over what the rockets could reasonably penetrate, compared with cannons or ATGMs. This is to simulate that the infantry really did hold fire until the AT was effective, they fired at a weak points instead of directly into the gladis plate, ect.
None of this is a great replacement for a proper infantry entrenching system and a more intelligent infantry AI, but its not as though Eugen hasn't at least considered the problem.
>>124777581
They are only as hard to spot in the open as a 125m long ship...
>>124687776
>you will never gun that mini-turret
Is this place dead yet?
>>124790753
>centrally mounted weapons
>easy and fun to fly
>goes fast
If the Dora was carrier capable, it would be a perfect plane.
>>124791564
Wasn't the Dora as maneuverable as a brickhouse?
>>124791564
You forgot that it rolls like a champ
>>124791694
Turn fighting is a good way to get killed in anything.
http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=56132
>OSA OP
>PLS NERFFFFFFFFFFF
>IT CAN HAVE 50% ACCURACY IN SUPPORT DECKS
http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=56133
>GORNO BTR-90 OP
>PLS NERFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>OSA EXTREMELY COST EFFICIENT
>PLS NERFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>HOW DARE
Fucking hell only one day after the patch and the butthurt is flowing already.
>>124791814
>the mustang snaps like a twig
Beautiful
>>124792345
Meanwhile a single thread that dares to say that blufor has good aa gets locked instantly.
>>124790753
It would be fucking awful because the nose stretched out like 4 meters in front of the plane, so the pilot has almost no downward visibility. Not a big problem on airstrips, but a huge deal when he has to catch a wire within a 20 meter zone.
Also the 190 has a tiny ass tank, your carrier will have to sail right up to the enemy to launch while their carriers have been pounding you for the last 200 miles.
>>124781290
Not so sure about the base OSA. 35% GUID doesn't actually seem terribly useful.
>>124793886
I'm just an autist who likes landing on carriers and the features of German planes. It's a pity the two will never meet.
>>124793886
You're replying to the wrong person, but sure the range is a problem but the nose? What about the corsair? Sure the USN were dumb and couldn't adapt and it took the brits to say hey what if we turn into final approach?
>>124782478
The Serbs got media and civilians on the wreck really fast. Secretary of defense called off the mission to bomb the wreckage.
>>124791826
I just don't get why they made it so heavy. It's not like the puny amounts of heavy armor it has would've been useful against anything.
>>124794202
heavy planes that held their momentum for BnZ was popular at the later stages of the war
>>124794169
That was replying to the wrong person. 190D would still be harder to land. The F4U sat the pilot considerably higher in the cockpit, so he could see somewhat in front. There's also no bump in front to obstruct his view even more.
>>124794432
That was the whole point of turning on final because corsair pilots couldn't see, so I really see no difference, either plane can't see shit
>>124714875
The area around Vechta is shit terrain, full of bogs. This'll allow us to incorporate a terrain type not previously seen in Flashpoint, the Bog, where it restricts movement like a forest, but leaves you just as exposed as a field. So essentially, they're a bunch of no-go zones that, like lakes, you generally don't want your troops in, but unlike lakes they can actually be physically crossed.
>>124794336
Weren't the G series 109s better at energy fighting despite being lighter?
Does FSX go here? Are there any nice qt mods for different missions? Like, being an air trucker at Alaska or that such. Like, I know there are some hand crafted mission packs, I flew with them 3-4 years ago, but what about a long one?
>>124795182
Energy fighting and BnZ is not the same thing.
>>124795182
BnZ is not energy fighting
>>124795198
We only deal with military aviation.
That can roughly include military logistics.
>>124739579
Yea, and the milan 3 has almost double the range of the metys-M
Anyone got any ideas on East German tank standards @ 1989?
Had they all at least been upgraded to the AM2D standard at that point? How prevalent were ATGM-equipped AM2D2?
>>124690574
>- British Starstreak missile accuracy increased from 55% to 65% and HE increased from 5 to 6
>- British Starstreak missile range vs ground targets reduced from 2800m to 2625m
>- British Starstreak missile range vs helicopters increased from 2975m to 3150m
>- British Starstreak missile range vs planes increased from 2275m to 2450m
>>124690574
>more soviet MLRS nerfs while NATO MLRS are untouched
>>124690574
>E-German SPz BMP-1 SP-1 price reduced from 15$ to 10$
Fucking finally. They never should have nerfed it in the first place.
>>124797907
Is there even any HE m270 left?
>>124690574
>Soviet 9M33 missile used by the OSA loses the radar trait, range set to 2800/2275
muh realism
>>124798489
It has 35% chances to hit at max range, it's realistic.
>>124798558
And it's GUID, factor in ECM that's more 3.5%.
>>124798489
IRL, it had both radar and optical guidances.
>>124798816
>ECM
you wouldn't use standard OSA for planes though, they're more for helis now
>>124799563
Still, the missiles being GUID alone halves their already low acc
>>124799594
pls exblain
I don't really know the difference between guided and radar other than one can be destroy by SEAD
>>124798403
French one is still HE.
Is the All-Out-War mod good?
marder
Is wargame red dragon worth buying now or is it a dead game which will take me to long to learn with no long will ing to put up with my noob ways. If not what other real time tactics game do you guys recommned
>>124803295
At $10 it's worth buying. There are still players and new players coming. Plus Eugen releases new maps every 2 month to keep the game on life-support 'til they release a "tba game" later (many clues hint towards a WG4)
I would not buy it at $40 tho
m109
il-2
Draken is such a sexy plane.
>>124805453
nice. i also really like f16s
I need some help
I got back into WG:EE over the past week and really enjoy the campaigns. But it turns out im a bit of a scrub. Any advice on how the game works as it plays very differently to Red Dragon and im having a few issues making sense of it.
>Pic
Best unit i hear atm
>>124803280
Nice M113
>>124759573
im sure the pilot thought the same thing
>>124801863
It turns air to shit, but actually makes tanks viable.
>>124805336
>someone saved my shitty screenshot
feels gud
>>124801863
>>124807625
Not him but how similar is it to Ural?
>>124809580
Not at all.
Tanks still expensive.
Everything has it's "realistic" ranges, so buks and SEAD shoot eachother from across the map and tanks dominate the battlefield like they're supposed to. CVs still expensive.
Barrage arty all has higher HE.
The "numbers per card" has been thrown out for everything that's not a plane, so you don't need to worry about slots for extra shit when you get, say, 51 veteran T-80U in armored deck with one card.
>>124809580
Patriots get 50kms range or something like that. Just figure what happens to every plane spawned.
>>124809958
>>124810054
Missiles also have greatly improved acceleration, so they actually hit targets without needing to buff their CTH.
>>124810054
>>124809958
So planes and helos are semi pointless?
Would a fix for this be just much larger maps? I mean when you give battalions(its agreed the WG is battalion level right?) access to regimental and brigade resources it will be a bit weird for map and range scaling.
>>124810475
Does this include ATGMS?
>>124798816
repeat after me anon
GUID is not a drawback
GUID is not a drawback
GUID is not a drawback
It may have been a factor in a previous version of wargame, but currently GUID only means that you miss if the platform dies or the target lands. It's a red herring and it's practically the same as STAT F&F.
>>124810883
>So planes and helos are semi pointless?
ATGM/SEAD/ASFs still work well because they have stand-off capability.
But IR SAMs are a nightmare now so bombers and heloes are both useless.
>(its agreed the WG is battalion level right?)
With support from regimental/brigade/divisional/corps/etc. assets.But too much support
>Does this include ATGMS?
Yes. PACT enjoys having a decisive range advantage with them, so BMPs and TLGMs are actually useful now. If the mod gets more popular, a meta will form that revolves around having a decent amount of decent units, rather than a ton of shit units or handful of micro'd wunderwaffen. Thanks to rangescaling, the guy who brings 2 T-72Bs will shit on the guy who brought an M1A2, at least on most maps.
>>124811125
So does anyone play that mod at all?
>>124811592
nobody plays wargame mods
dunno why you quoted me
>>124811173
>the guy who brings 2 T-72Bs will shit on the guy who brought an M1A2, at least on most maps.
That sounds like it would obsolete superheavies in general; currently you get cheap tanks to beat APCs in number and you get superheavies to beat cheap tanks (because a single superheavy takes a very long time to kill APCs in number or infantry or whatever). Plus superheavies are more vulnerable to AT planes than massed tanks, so why would you even bother with them if they also lose to said massed tanks?
>>124812087
Maybe it's because superheavies area dumb concept that shouldn't be in the game in the first place
>>124811173
But would a map increase mitigate some of these issues? Just curious
>>124812204
Never understood the meta of WG:RD, seemed really silly to me
Thoughts?
Is it just turn-based shit?
>>124812204
Superheavies are super dumb when there's a lot of points and you can get both a super and a couple supporting tanks, but when you have to choose between either one super or a couple smaller tanks I find it a very good dilemma with tradeoffs for either choice.
>>124811125
I thought guided worked like atgms were the shooter had to perform multiple 'hit checks' to stay on target and incoming fire could modify the result of one of the checks, causing a missile to miss.
3 lanes, kill enemy creep to let your ground forces seize the bridges/towns/oil derricks.
>>124812565
Multiple hit checks is a myth that gets parroted around but nobody has provided any evidence for. It doesn't exist in the game.
Missiles will be forced to miss if their kinematic properties or whatever can't be bent far enough by the engine to graphically depict a hit, but the only missile I'm aware of with this issue is the HAWK, which is daamn slow. I don't think this has anything to do with GUID, it's just the missile being retarded slow.
>>124812803
Many thanks.
>>124812937
tovarisch why you saving thumbnail
>>124812330
Well, it goes something like this:
In the lobby, you and someone else (Or a computer, or yourself) pick a 'scenario'. Like a gamemode (conquest,etc.), only it has specific objectives and settings in it. The map is tied to the scenario file so the only indication of what map you're on will show up in the lobby preview.
Then, the game starts.
Hey, where's your deck? Where are the deployment points?
You don't get any. The scenario designer bought your force for you. You just get to place it.
And you're placing units, not subunits.
But hey, your deployment menu is still there. Hey, look at that, 3 cards of Motostrelki, 30 each. But they're not just motostrelki, they're BMP-2s, and Iglas, and AGS-17s, and whatever else. Together, all apart of the same unit under the label "Motostrelki consisting of 9x inf, 9x bmp, etc...) Instead of a deployment cost, there's simply a timer there that will tell you when they automatically spawn.
You select your 10 T-80s and tell them to move to the first sector. Only they don't move, they don't start moving until 10 minutes later when they receive the orders you gave them. Of course, 10 minutes don't actually pass because that would be boring as fuck. Minutes are skipped when nothing in them happens. It's like this for every unit, so you don't get to micro. You give all your units orders, then click "start" which begins real-time and issues your orders.
CVs don't capture sectors anymore. You keep them next to your 3 T-80 units (or 30 T-80s) so that when you give them orders, it takes 10 minutes for them to act instead of 2 hours. Speaking of sectors, ownership is now based off of several factors, like:
-How many of your units are in the sector
-How many enemies your units killed in the sector
-How close your units are to the center of the sector
They don't generate points, but rather just give you a whole ton when the game ends, and that along with any other objectives, determines whether you won the battle or not.
>>124814193
>what is war
I mean I don't like it that much but its just a different, much more paced intellectual exercise in military command and control at an operational level than a more main stream( and accessible) strategy game in my opinion
>>124815296
>intellectual
No, it's just autism. I'm sure most of the thread is sick of seeing it too. Canadians gassed when?
>>124815505
Greg only you are bothered by the turned based shit, actually you are bothered by everything, so just shut up.
>>124815798
>implying I'm Greg
>>124815505
I disagree, you do a much simplified version of what a brigade commander does. You may see the presentation as autistic when in actually its probably the only way of showing you all the data you need.
You don't command individual units because they have their own AI commanders(numbers and spreadsheets dictate effectiveness as you know). Its 'Operational Mission Command' the game
>>124738190
but doesnt radar keep pace as well? im not arguing i literally dont know the answer
>>124815974
They have and by leaps and bounds, because of more powerful processors.
But as what they can do, nobody will tell you, but you can get some stuff simply from promotional materials, like the scan ranges lock ranges, number of targets that can be tracked.
Also things like IRST have improved alot as well.
>>124805927
Anyone?
>>124816162
I was talking to an F-16 pilot last year (used to be my boss) and I asked him what he thought about IRST and the US's total lack of it aside from the F-35.
He thinks IRST is the future, and that it's a real shame that both the Russians and Europeans both already have effective systems in their planes. Between the increasing prevalence of both stealthy designs and an ECM filled battlefield, IRST being something that's both passive and very difficult to hid against is a very valuable asset.
We were both a bit drunk, but I thought it was interesting and worth sharing.
I also asked him how IFF worked but I barely remember that because he gave me a really technical answer.
>>124764258
the wierd thing is i watched closesly and there was two different people presented as him afterward
>>124774657
do you post this every thread?
Is there any reason why the Mi-8MTV has the same fuel capacity, but nearly twice the autonomy and armour on it while being the same price as the Mi-8TV?
>>124795284
>>124795305
Explain me the difference then.
>>124816478
Should have asked him how ECM worked
HOHOHO
anyway i meant more as IRST on medium and short range AA systems, but yeah.
>>124781910
> I'm unable to comprehend a single sentence
Ok, retard.
I played Wargame for the first time in years last night and I managed to beat the Easy AI by 500 points.
How come you guys aren't talking about the new wargame leaked screenshots?
hey guys can I get some feedback on my ranked ussr deck
>>124815798
>implying I'm such a rude person
I'm still waiting for Italy, Yugoslavia, Iran, Egipt, Israel, Pakistan and India for Wargame.
>>124826642
too much AA
put cv inf in mtv or ka-29
you could really use a gru in hind but i can imagine a playstyle that doesnt require it
norov and yak-38 are very very questionable but again, if you find them useful go ahead and keep them
why have norov when bmp-3 does the exact same job better?
replace akula with mi-28, it is more accurate and investing 150pts in a helo now that all ASF can fire two missiles per run will never work
get a fucking tung-m you jew
24v is great flank cleanup and you want it
I'm so bad at wargame and it really gets me down.
Maybe I should just stick to rock collecting.
>>124803295
Get it if it's on a steep sale. Otherwise don't bother. Multiplayer is pretty much dead and the gameplay is pretty meh anyway. If you want a good RTT go assault squad 2, or if you're willing to play a game still somewhat early in development, Call to Arms. At least in those you have a decent population for ALL modes of play(Wargame devolved into 10v10 shitfest thanks to ALB.), and generally the game is a lot more involved and less repetitive. Easier to pick up too, IMO, without all the deck building crap chock full of noob traps.
>>124830462
>wargame is only played in 10v10
>wargame is dead
>mowas is not
>>124831159
It's far, far easier to get a match going in MoW. Wargame is a fucking wasteland of 10v10 and the occasional lobby match with full-retard settings.
Planefags, I'm ready to get into DCS once the sale goes live. Is a Logitech Extreme3Dpro a worthwhile stick?
>>124832703
It's fine for the simpler planes, but you'll have to use the keyboard a lot if you plan on flying something complicated like A-10C.
Some people recommend the Thrustmaster T1600000000000M over the Logitech because it's supposed to be more accurate and I think has a few more buttons on it. I've never owned both, so I can't comment, but it's worth checking out if you don't want to get a full HOTAS.
>>124823925
>lies
No i'm good
>>124832703
It has some QC issues but it's fine for the most part. Never tried the Thrusmaster though, you'd probably be better off going for that if you have the choice. If you're going to get the 3D pro, make sure you have some sort of warranty.
>>124832703
Any shitty joystick will do fine for FC3 aircraft.
>>124832703
You should be fine with that, bro.
Tips on improving American support?
greg status: bullied
>>124838304
Learn to take screenshots.
>>124838304
It's almost like it's 2003 all over again.
>>124838304
Now that ADATS is god tier there's no excuse for not going NORAD
>>124838628
>>124838723
My uni WiFi is perma banned for cp so I have to post from phone and wasn't worth the effort of moving a screenshot over.
>>124838806
Noted.
>>124838806
>ADATS is god tier
What?
I haven't played for a little bit, did they make it not shit?
>>124839507
70% acc, 3.3km anti helo, 2.6km anti plane. Unfortunately it costs 110 now but it's worth every point.
>>124839795
>70% acc
>that range
Holy fuck I'm going to start using my Canada moto deck again
>eugen put in a shitty sitzkreig version of three mile island that people funnel into instead of the OG version
>most of the normal version lobbies are stacked anyway by teamspeak squads since it's the perfect map to rush a single side on
So much for reliving the fun that was TMI in EE
This is kind of a crazy question, but would Wargame be a better game if it had fixed decks to balance against versus balancing on a per-unit basis?
I remember playing the ALB beta years ago and I thought it was fun that each deck had its advantages and disadvantages and units that just had to work with. The simple fact that you couldn't modify them also meant that crappy units you would never use suddenly have a purpose because that's all you've got so you just have to work around it or come up with tactics to help mitigate your weaknesses.
It gave all the factions a lot of flavor.
bemp
>>124844182
Balancing is still done on a fixed deck basis but with the meta decks instead of ones designed by eugen. So you don't have to work around the really shit units that won't make it into a meta deck, but you still get some weird meta shit like m36 or zptu-2 or type63.
I guess truly fixed decks would bring out that quality, but the only reason it's lacking currently is that eugen failed to give all nations proper weaknesses. They could just as easily make fixed decks and end up filling one of them with enough good units to be able to completely ignore the filler.
>>124820536
Extremely simplified version because I don't have the shitty diagrams to post:
Boom n' zoom basically requires that you start from altitude, above your target, try to line up as close to behind them as possible, and dive on them, using your energy/speed to get up in their 6 ASAP, engage the BRRRT, then get the fuck out of there, climbing away slightly, while using your speed to put distance between you and the target so that they can't retaliate.
Energy fighting is more a constant trade-off of potential/kinetic energy, involving a lot of looping maneuvers depending on the plane (I used to do this with 109s) but almost always requiring that you start with an energy advantage, dive on the target, and quickly climb back up, bringing yourself back down again as your target struggles to climb to catch you.
Energy fighting, or: "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Yo-Yo"
two bombs weren't enough
>>124851821
BnZ is a form of energy fighting.
>>124735050
too bad they just get bombed :)
>>124854698
Yes you could argue that.
However pure energy fighters cannot BnZ aswell as a pure BnZ fighter and vice versa.
Hows it feel that redfor has nothing but gimmick units that arent actually good but rather hard counter meme units
why are redfor players literally THIS bad
>>124854698
Yes, it is. It's a subset of "energy fighting" tactics. Some planes do it better than others.
For example, don't try to "energy fight" as described in a Fw. 190. They can't climb worth dick. Bf. 109 however is really good at it.
Same thing in reverse. 190 is great at boom and zoom, and its stubby wings can even help you to do some rolling maneuvers as you "zoom" away which will cost you more energy but also make you harder to get a bead on.
What's going to work for you really depends on the layout of the plane you're flying.
>>124760698
There was not explosive warhead in that. The explosion you saw was only the on board fuel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwHqLtK_TpY aerogavins when
We're back, time to post quality contributions to the thread again
>>124859529
It's an M113, not a gavin. Only fags call it a gavin.
>>124854528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3pLDrZQTf8
New M-2000C landing video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNAKsAscqC0
>>124859529
I kind of want one of those gavin coffee mugs now.
>>124862219
>tfw beeps from landing gear going down
Smart french
>TFW airfield outline on the HUD
fucking honhons maan.
>>124860104
hello Reddit!
>>124863190
>calls out reddit
>is reddit himself
back to reddit you go
>>124862219
I NEED it.
>>124862219
>Mfw I let people here convince me to buy that shitty meme-21 instead.
>>124863871
>Not having both
>>124864030
Fucking slavboos. I've learned my lesson.
>>124864341
merely liberating comrade.
>>124863871
Meme-21 is fun, though.
It's just a pile of shit. That's fun!
Seriously though, they said beta for M-2000 would be out in December. It's December. Give it to me.
>>124864808
They said mid December multiple times and they still have that release date, soon my baguette
>>124864808
>>124865381
Two weeks be sure
>>124864808
I can't wait for all of the slavaboos to go in their MiG-21s when the Mirage is released thinking that it'll be an even fight, only to get swatted out of the sky.
>>124865381
>>124865465
2 weeks doesn't seem that bad honestly. I just need shit to do while I'm not working over the holidays. Might just go ahead and pre-order the Mirage tonight and wait it out. Might depend on how drunk I wind up getting and whether the wallet comes out.
>>124865814
how, they are not even in the same gen
Anyone here playing Scourge of War? I recently discovered it and are having a lot of fun with the demo. I'm considering buying it but it seems that it's gonna be most fun in multiplayer since the AI, while not utterly terrible, is doing tons of stupid stuff.
>>124866243
You should take a look at the forums
>>124866308
>>124865814
It's going to be hilarious.
I mean, I've shot down F-15s with my MiG-21.. but I got extremely fucking lucky. Basically the only way it's going to work is to catch the Mirage way off-guard.
Maybe they think it's a Mirage III? If so, let them stay deluded.
>>124865814
Shitspawn ended up banning the one derailing slavaboo who kept getting blown out, sad he deleted all the posts since they were comedy gold.
>>124870147
That's a damn shame
>>124862219
Oh neat, is this one full cockpit control like A-10C
ALSO F-18 FUCKING WHEN ED
FUCKING
WHEN
>>124870714
>Oh neat, is this one full cockpit control like A-10C
Yeah, hopefully most/all of it will be modeled but we'll see what is left out due to confidential documentation or stuff they didn't want to include like breaker switches or something.
>ALSO F-18 FUCKING WHEN ED
2decades
Sounds like a few people are getting the mirage myself included, mirage ops on release?
>>124873702
How the hell did you know he was there from that far away?
>>124873702
I'd be down but I'm still really new to DCS. I'm the sperg from up above that only has Meme-21/FC3.
Getting the Mirage because it's one of my favorite jets ever and I like delta-wing flying doritos.
>>124694728
Not 'till they fix their shitty UI
>>124874270
shit quality webm but its much clearer in game and I could see him from much further out
>>124874270
There's a neat trick you can do if you suspect the enemy is WVR:
Just look at a random spot on the ground and "lock" it with your eyes. If anything is flying around, you'll catch it in your peripherals.
Are there campaigns in DCS like in the IL2 series and bms? Also how modable is DCS?
>>124875454
There are campaigns although they aren't dynamic, there is a user made one for the mig21 though and the author is working on a dynamic campaign engine for DCS and maybe ED will implement dynamic campaigns one day.
Also it is very modable.
>>124875454
DCS has campaigns, but they're not "dynamic" like you'd get out of other games (IL-2: BoS, etc.) Mostly just a series of missions so far as I know.
DCS is fairly moddable, but I haven't messed around with too much. Most the ones I've seen just fuck around with planes' performance and models to make them look like other planes but don't change the cockpits or anything, not certain if that's a limitation of DCS or lazy modders.
>>124875454
>Are there campaigns in DCS like in the IL2 series and bms?
Campaigns yes. Dynamic ones, no. The closest you're going to get is a community made psudo-dynamic campaign that's WIP, but promising.
>Also how modable is DCS?
There's lots of graphics mods, but it's hard to do much beyond that. Most modding in DCS is in the form of custom mission scripts.
>tfw realistic afterburner effects never
>>124876330
I don't think any game has ever done different AB effects in day vs night. The ones ingame are realistic for daytime.
>>124876435
The daytime ones are too transparent though. They really do need to make proper night time burners though, would make night fighting even better.
AMX-10P
>>124876815
>The daytime ones are too transparent though
It's hard to see afterburners in the day time. Usually you won't see anything unless you're looking down the engine nozzle. It's probably more opaque if you're closer and can just see better, but it's not going to be solid.
Could you make a CIWS that destroys artillery shells?
>>124885721
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsnhyTiTqk4
>>124884756
The problem is when looking down the nozzle, you can clearly see the turbine blades during the day but it should be a glowing ball of fire right where the fuel is being dumped behind the engine.
>>124882168
. I want one.
>>124886005
>152mm arty shells are as easily destroyed as 80mm mortar ones
>>124885721
They already exist. They're meh. Obviously don't hit everything, or even most of what is incoming. They are taken off ships and I don't think they're really designed to deal with shit coming from above, personally.
>First night in Iraq
>Obligatory shelling of Camp Liberty.
>Find out it's apparently a sort of 'welcoming tradition' from the local OPFOR, they tend to do this at several FOBs when they know a new unit is coming in.
>Find out that if I had come a day earlier, might of been one of the 40 people hit when a Katyusha barrage nailed a DFAC a hundred meters from where our tents were.
Incoming artillery was always fun. Funnily enough, 90% of the time people had to be bitched at to actually get into the shelters whenever we were staying in a FOB for a few days, because everyone was too lazy to leave the tents. We all kind of had a 'fuck it' attitude about artillery. If it hits ya it hits ya. I think the entire time I was deployed I've only seen the CIWS nail maybe 30%
>>124891661
Does it completely destroy the round or just push them aside so they fall offtarget or a bit of both?
>3AM, been drinking
>trying to learn how to MiG-21
>see this
>laugh hysterically
if I pour vodka in my CD tray, do I get more magical radar coolant?
>>124892057
Bit of both. usually causes it to burst in the air(Gotta remember, artillery shells are intentionally fragile anyway outside of the baseplates.)
>>124874304
>I like delta-wing flying doritos.
How about the double-dorito?
>>124894591
VIGGEN WHEN
>>124895235
No official word on that, but it seems that LN's expecting to release the Tomcat last out of the three, and they estimate the cat's release date to be H2 2016.
>>124896007
LN's doing the Tomcat and the Viggen? Is there a third one they're doing or is that just in reference to the Mirage?
Also do we know who's developing the F-5? Shit, by 2017, we'll be able to do TOP GUN matchups in all their silly glory.
>It's a StealthyNeo post
>>124896768
>LN's doing the Tomcat and the Viggen?
Yes
>Is there a third one
The F4U-1
>who's developing the F-5
Belsimtek
>>124859928
I need to know the story behind this
>>124896885
Why does Leatherneck not want me to have any money?
Gonna' have to buy that fucking F-5 too, then.
>>124897058
Keep in mind that Belsimtek is almost VEAO-tier
>>124897058
Friend of mine used to be F-15 crew chief.
"Goofy" launches were fairly common apparently. More fun when the pilot plays along.
>>124897058
Will you/do you actually read the manuals or do you just jump and it figure things out from there? I feel bad when I don't read the manuals, but I really can't be arsed to.
>>124897191
>do you read manuals for a simulator
>cause that's boring
Maybe War Thunder is more up your alley
>>124897131
Maybe I'll wait a year or more then, assuming they dick everyone around with the flight model like they did with the Hawk.
>>124897191
I've got the MiG-21 and its 184-page manual.
Mostly using it as an accessory to the in-game tutorials, it goes into stuff in a bit more detail. Helps a lot for figuring out the RSBN/PRMG and radar systems.
Radar tutorial involves a lot of reading and doing shit in the cockpit, you'll want to either do it a couple times or look at the relevant sections in the manual to make sure you remember everything.
>>124897131
Wasn't the Huey pretty decent though? What'd they do?
>>124897415
I think their issue is more with lengthy beta periods where it takes forever for shit to get fixed but I don't have any of their modules so I don't know.
>>124897415
>What'd they do?
It's more about what they didn't do
It's still unfinished, with critical effects missing
>>124896007
What does H2 mean? I usually see Q1-4 instead.
>>124897191
>Will you/do you actually read the manuals or do you just jump and it figure things out from there?
Depends on the plane. The tutorial missions were more than enough for the Su-25T but I wouldn't rely on just that in the Mig-21 or Ka-50.
And sometimes I'm just interested in the plane. Reading manuals can be fun.
http://yun.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=3887854450&uk=1579664796&third=0&dir=%2FAviation%20%26%20Aerospace%20Readings%2FFlight%20Manual%20%26%20Handbook%2FUSAF%2FF-5%20Manual&page=1&adapt=pc&fr=ftw#path=%252FAviation%2520%2526%2520Aerospace%2520Readings%252FFlight%2520Manual%2520%2526%2520Handbook
>>124897769
Second half of the year, which probably means December honestly but they don't want to say Q4
>>124897278
I have the patience to read through it, but a lot of the details just go over me.
Besides, War Thunder is too casual, even for me.
>>124892823
The radar time limit is a non-factor. You're more likely to fun out of fuel first and in MP you want your radar off at all times to avoid detection unless you are using R-3R or need to IFF.
>>124897382
addendum:
You definitely want to read the MiG-21's manual for almost anything to do with weapons, at the very least, it can help you memorize what switches need to be hit in order to access shit quickly in a bind and can help you to better understand what your missiles are capable of (spoiler: they suck).
>>124897468
At least they're still adding and fixing stuff. People suck leatherneck's dick all the time but the MiG-21 still has numerous inaccuracies and bugs while the campaign is pretty garbage. It's been more than a year and the cockpit red lights are still not functional, jamming pod doesn't work, LN missiles especially the R3R are ridiculously overmodelled, rwr is worse than in IRL and the MiG-21 still has CCIP when it shouldn't.
Incase you faggots didnt know this exists
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=129341
lets you import any pdf into the DCS kneeboard, pick any important pages from the aircraft manuals and have them appear ingame only for that aircraft, has made flying between multiple modules often a breeze
>>124898279
Can't you just use a smartphone and have access to the entire manual?
>>124898440
Sure but then you have to look away from the screen, with this you can read and fly at the same time.
The most important information in manuals is the operational limitations section. For the MiG-21's manual this is page 31-38. You'll want to remember some of the more critical data like G limits so your bombs don't drop off your pylons, engine limitations so your engine doesn't shut down in combat, RPM limits etc.
The LN manual is good but insufficient. There's a lot of misinformation and bad infographics on the MiG-21's missiles so here's an good resource that tests the weapon's performance in game. It's in German but google translates just fine. You want to know your effective range and missile G limits.
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/de/files/1363666/
Out of curiosity, what can the Viggen do that the Su-25 and the A-10 cannot?
>>124898773
Go supersonic and is much better at defending against enemy fighters.
>>124898559
Memorize the most efficient time and range speeds too because fuel is a precious resource on the MiG-21.
>Longest range speed: 650-600 km/h IAS (decreases with altitude)
>Longest flight duration speed: 480 km/h IAS (doesn’t depend on altitude)
>>124898559
Thanks for that, didn't realize the info on the missiles was dodgy.
And yeah, I thought it was a bit funny that the radar can stay on or at least warmed up for almost twice as long as the MiG's engine'll have fuel running to it. Much longer if used as advised obviously.
>>124898959
>Longest flight duration speed: 480 km/h IAS
>that's almost landing speed
Fuck that, gotta go fast.
>>124898773
supersonic, mach 2
A2G radar
carry 6 aim9s and fight jets
anti ship
reverse thrust
>>124899572
>landing at 500 km/h
wat
Whatever floats your boat I guess.
>>124900227
Gotta go fast comrade.
>>124900076
Carry 6 aim9's and give up countermeasures also no gun.
>>124900417
viggen has gunpods with cannons in them
>>124900524
Not when you are carrying 6 aim9s
>>124900752
stop being so entitled
>>124900857
You cant have it all faggot, its either probably gonna be 4xaim9 and countermeasures pod or 4xaim9 and gun pod or 6 x aim9, sure it will be fun but this thing is first and foremost a strike aircraft and is gonna shit on by everything at bvr range except maybe the mig21
>>124901083
>You cant have it all faggot
That's why he told you to stop being so entitled
>meme
>----------
>your head
>>124901126
I was merely pointing out the viggens limitations with an a2a loadout then I get told to stop being entitled. How does that make sense?
So I just got booted from a lobby because apparently my deck was "tryhard", is British Mechanized a "tryhard" deck or was that host just looking for an excuse to get rid of me? What does it even mean to have a "tryhard" deck?
>>124901969
It means your deck wasn't shit and he was afraid of losing.
>>124902081
>afraid of losing
>videogame
How pathetic can these people get
>>124901969
It means wargame players are subhuman trash
>>124902198
Thanks, I am one of those players.
>Warbabbies and planeposters constantly mock each other
>yet they couldn't exist if they were separated
The most tsundere of generalsWhich side is the cute girl
>>124900076
Could it carry six gunpods?
>>124902289
The thought of this arouses me
So what are the best min max USSR tanks?
i use the B1 the t64BV and t80
i feel like im fucking up somewhere
>>124859928
>>124896985
seconded, sauce pls
>>124902276
Im just joking around anon some of you wargamers are pretty cool.
lots of love
a planeposter
xoxo
>>124902609
I wonder who's behind this post
>>124902572
I use t-72bu, t-80um, t-64bm, t-80.
>>124902637
Probably a furry.
>>124902734
you calling wargamers dogs?
>>124902818
That's actually not that far from the truth I guess
If you condition dogs right they'll return to their abusive master no matter how badly they're treated
>>124902285
>Which side is the cute girl
Take a guess.
>>124903139
implying flight sims are any different.
>>124805453
That's a Viggen tho'
>>124904954
>DPRKAF still uses MiG-15/17's
Truly a danger to the US of A
>>124906520
Still better than the f35
prrrrrrrrrt
>>124908928
gaypard a2
>>124909376
>those ghetto strelas in the back
10/10
Havent played Wargame:Red Dragon since release.
Here is my deck.
Forgive and help me with the new meta /wgg/
>>124911947
>2 fob
>no supply truck
>no heliborne infantry cv
>not taking only the best milan
>taking both atgm and manpads
>basically no infantry
Ok I'll stop there. Get out of 10v10, get only the best of everything, infantry being the most important. French specops kinda suck though, so take the next best thing, shock inf in fast transports.
>>124912453
Here is a quick update
Thank you for your tips anon
>>124913213
wait. i made a mistake.
no supply chopper.
>>124913213
Why the hell would you take double atgm infantry, one of them worse and on a chopper?
Guys, give some tips, Because I have honestly no fucking clue what I am doing
>>124914068
>showing your product key
>>124914121
oops, my bad
>>124913812
i dont know anon. i
i really dont know
>>124914068
>4/5 infantry slots
Reminder.
>>124830402
as long as you only collect rocks shaped like t-90's
>>124915394
>that arm
That must be the feller who masturbates all day long.
>>124839345
are you joking? you are sick
>>124915448
>era-shaped rocks
>>124914068
This is what a typical ussr deck looks like.
>>124914068
>bmp685
arent these useless tier in red dragon?
>>124914217
you dun goofed.
>>124913213
And here's what a typical french deck looks like.
>>124916376
Nice.
Now i know thanks you
>>124915560
I'm not the one who did it. It's my whole uni WiFi
is there anything in mowas singleplayer as fun as cerebulon's defense missions?
I've been playing through them and having a blast
>>124919935
Seems so expensive for something that doesn't work well. My brother in law was a CRAM guy over in Iraq. Jesse Owens FOB or something like that.
Said it really wasn't very good at its job but probably at least saved some people's lives. I think all his job was was monitoring the radar and sounding the alarm though.
20 years from now, people will still be playing Falcon BMS.
>>124915787
They're alright in an airborne deck if you don't feel like giving up 5 act pts and taking type 63's
>>124891661
>Find out it's apparently a sort of 'welcoming tradition' from the local OPFOR, they tend to do this at several FOBs when they know a new unit is coming in.
Those cheeki cunts.
>>124683818
>rtsg
I have tried to get back in to RD but I can't find anything but team stacked lobbies and 10v10 shitfests. That and I find this game exceedingly boring without someone to strategize with. Who wants to play?
>>124921758
20 years from now IL-2 1946 will weigh 50 GBs and have on top of every plane that flew on WW2, most of the retarded shit the krauts came up with and total conversions for Yukikaze, Sky Crawlers and god knows what else. Despite the fact that Cliffs of Dover exists.
>>124922185
Add me on steam, BenchBro. My win loss 's shit because I've always played 10v10s because that's what my friend did. I started playing others and my God it's so much better.
>mfw learning to embrace the CEV and eryx
norad mech is actually pretty fun deck to play with, if you are bored with the most common deck choices. Only shock or elite infantry is on helos, so you are forced to use a lot of fire support, which is fun.
>>124922653
After I get done trying to force myself to work I will.
>>124922653
Also I won't be able to play for another hour and a half or so because I'm in class rn.
>>124923321
No problem senpai. Sitting in a juvenile justice lecture anyway.
>>124915731
idk if that is typical. you have no SU-122 and some of your tank choices are less than optimal. oh and 2 cards spetz is nuts
>>124927361
Noob here. What's the value of the su-122
>>124928012
5HE
>>124928294
Please explain like it's value on the field in a strategy.
>>124922653
wot am i seeing in this webm
>>124928808
Don't fuck with patriotic swedes
>>124929259
wot am i seeing in this webm
>>124928808
it is a nationalist march and some socialist punk steals the flag like a bitch and gets knocked the fuck out like a pussy
>>124928546
put 2xsu122 1km away from enemy town, walk own infantry to town, enemy infantry peeks out to shoot at your infantry, enemy infantry is vapor now
walk infantry in forest with su-122 behind them, meet enemy infantry, attackmove su-122 while they fight your inf, enemy inf is vapor now
put su-122 on forest edge, enemy infantry walks up, enemy infantry is vapor now
enemy tries bomb su-122 to save town that su-122 is about to vaporize? su-122 heavily armored and can withstand many bomb
also things that aren't its main role:
helo fly accidentally over su-122? helo panicked and partially vapor now, kvpt strong
fight enemy autocannon with su-122 impervious armor
kill wounded superheavy with su-122 heat
delete enemy atgm team in bush with one shot, also easier to fire-pos on them because more HE
>>124929576
Thrust vectoring
>>124929865
Thank you my friend. I'll have to make room in my deck
>>124929865
How's it look?
Also would they be good for atgm bait?
>>124931940
Jesus Christ
>>124931940
jesus really
>>124931940
>ATGM BAIT
>BAIT
>A
>I
>T
yeah, this must be it
>>124915731
>This is what a typical ussr deck looks like.
>>124931940
everything is wrong about this picture
>>124932829
rate mine senpai
>>124934457
no IRAA/10
>>124927361
Say what you want about the t-64bm but at least it doesn't lose against tanks 15pts cheaper.
>>124935181
>he can't micro his radars
>>124934457
>mig-29s
Why.
BMP is NBC protected and thus immune to hiroshima radiation
>>124942027
So is T-72
>>124942369
>>124942027
A jack in the box generally is sealed until it pops out
Sorry for intruding, but I couldn't find a Company Of Heroes General.
Can somebody explain how does the dlc work in COH2? I can buy the base game or the 'complete pack', which includes all DLC.
Is there any way to unlock the DLC by playing the base game or are all of them hidden behind a paywall?
Thanks in advance.
Long live Wargame.
Reminder
>>124945281
It's just emptying it's ballast panels
>>124945281
Just a mobility kill
>>124945281
it was designed to sink like that
>>124945281
>reminder
>a webm from a vidya
Great proofs
>>124938116
>2100m gun range
Yes it does, everyone takes T-72B1s over it for a reason
>>124938428
got good ecm, stealth, and hella fast rearm time. doesnt wreck whole towns like su24m, but the 4 500kg bombs are pretty good for targeted strikes
>>124938323
even if you micro radars, not having IR is a bit of a weakness, the enemy could push with helis when sead is present, and you couldnt do anything about it with radar off
>>124951785
>push with helicopters
That does not happen.
>>124951785
>"The enemy could feed you helicopters"
FTFY
Is there any way to makea competitive Scandi deck?
Can any of the individual scandi nations be made competitive?
>>124945281
Didn't the Silex carry a nuclear warhead in some models? I think a nuke would work over the Iowa bretty gud.
>>124945281
Here we go with this shit again.
The armor belt is more than 12.2 inches thick. 310mm if you will, of reinforced fucking steel. That's an RHA equivalent well in excess of even an M1A2's front. A Shipwreck won't get past that, and a Silex (An anti-SUBMARINE, not ship missile) wouldn't even dent it.
>>124956947
Nuclear depth charge. Only effective against a submarine because, well, it's a depth charge.
>>124956772
lol
>>124951785
>Push with helicopters
>Implying anyone with decent micro(Which isn't hard in a game with almost none) wont just flick the radar back on the moment SEAD makes a turn.
>>124957367
>lol
So i'm stuck running yurocorps cheese decks every time a reddit stack jumps into redfor with their tailored USSR decks?
Yuros are boring desu
>>124958086
Tovarich, scandi is the most cancerous deck in the game outside of mixed hato.
>>124956772
1. yes, unspec is good, mech/armoured barely loses any units, and great infy, sanic transports, did anyone say moto?
2. apart from maybe norwegian motorized, not really.
the danes are there to fill out scandi decks with unicorn units and the swedes are meh tier on their own.
>>124958368
>8 sk60
Sweden is pretty fun desu.
>>124915394
>fuck off weeaboos
fuck off reddit
>>124956962
kek
>>124956962
>plain steel is better than composite armor
>>124958242
Aside from a pretty decent infantry line except in the ATGM department, I fail to see what they have going for them.
A token few meme units like the oto, EOTS and PUFF, then it's a mediocre at best tank line with the weakest super heavy, shit helos, okay artillery, uninspiring recon and a pretty meh air tab. There is not one thing they excel at, especially compared with Yuros or USSR.
>>124959341
Considering it's build for a fucking battleship facing cruise missile threats, yes.
Flawless
>>124959463
>except in the atgm department
Only 5men-borne 26 AP missiles.
>a token meme units
>a token
lel
>mediocre tank line made up of 15 rpm monsters and uparmored leo 1a5
>helo being relevant
>uninspiring recon tab second only to usa
>pretty meh air tab, only the best in the game
How many games have you played outside of 10v10?
>>124959902
Cruise missiles from ww2?
>>124960312
The Iowa has been completely refit since her WW2 days. She's built to fuck Kirov into submission with her 16 inchers and take anything he can throw at her, short of starting a nuclear war.
>>124960457
>She's built to fuck Kirov with her 16 incher
>>>/d/
>>124960157
>5men-borne 26 AP missiles
with fuckshort range, mind you. Will get plastered by anyone with decent recon or micro. Give me Milan F3 or Konkurs-M any day over the RBS.
>15 rpm monsters and uparmored leo 1a5
the 103s are only good at bullying APCs and cheap tanks. Will get creamed by anything in their own point class. The strv 105 and the leos are pretty good value for their points but gets shat on by anything heavy, which scandi struggles with.
>helo being relevant
When you don't have them, you'll soon feel the need for them.
>recon tab second only to usa
and second to soviet and yuros too, equal to NSWP.
> the best in the game
Again, second to Yuros, US and USSR
Outside inf and AA, they are meh.
>>124961608
>eurocorps air tab
>good
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2593801#post2593801
Oy vey us goym should be paying $60 dollars for sand.
>>124962218
>http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2593801#post2593801
If I see that kek on 104th, I'm going to ram his wing off.
>>124961823
Got the Super Retard, the Rafale, the ECR and what have you. Not bad atleast.
>>124962603
Calm down Tyrone.
>>124962603
How would you even tell? It's not like the game has nametags.
If you could submit a list to Eugen to get any 10 units changed in Wargame, what would you change?
>>124964415
How many t-72 are there?
>>124963885
He can just randomly crash into people till he finaly gets him.
>>124963885
>look at tail number
>compare against the flight list
it's like you don't even play dcs.
>>124962108
There ever been any incidents where they fucked up and misjudged depth of a river and drowned the crew?
>>124965125
Sounds like something that would've happened in Russia at least once.
>>124965595
Should we talk about the bradley again?
>>124965915
do pls
>>124959463
>A token few meme units like the oto, EOTS and PUFF
Wait is the PUFF actually good? My friend that runs a scandi deck says it is next to useless because of how outranged it is by most Anti Air.
Kind of interested if there is more to it that makes it better.
>>124965915
Is this going anywhere or?
>>124966971
It is dirt cheap, you get four of them in a Norwegian deck and with the exception of that nork SAM it's literary cheaper than anything that outrages it.
If you run a scandi deck, you get three of them which is pretty damn good too.
With the MiG-25 SEAD, the Raven you get just one good plane and if you lose it you're out.
The only one that gives you more for your points thn PUFF is the worst korean F-16 with AMRAAMs and HARMs.
>>124966971
As a straight SEAD unit it sucks ass, so your friend is right there. However, if you look at it in the context of lower player density matches (1vs1, 2vs2) it becomes a lot more useful for it's versatility. For only 70pts, you get-
>Very good air optics, letting you easily spot early helo movement
>Excellent cannon and decent SRAAMs letting it strafe/kill expensive helos
>30% ECM, so it's fairly survivable
>3 per card, so it's spammable
>SEAD missiles to force the enemy to either turn off their radar or risk losing it
I wouldn't take it in a 4v4 deck where the spot can be reserved for more powerful planes like F-16s, but it's one of the most cost efficient planes in game now which is essential for 1vs1s.
>>124964415
1. Ka-50 (Vikhr given anti-air ranges and HE damage, rippelfires 2 at a time, Ammo to 16 Igla-V removed)
2. Patriot (moved to Japan and Germany, stats unchanged)
3. F-111E (12 -> 24 Mk 82)
4. F-111F (load out changed to 6xGBU-16 Paveway II, Chinese LT-2 clone)
5. CF-188 Hornet (added to marine deck type)
6. Su-25T (R-73As replaced with Kh-28s)
7. T-72M2 Moderna (accracy to 65%, Stab to 55%, rof to 9rpm, FAV to 22, cost to 170pt)
8. Chimera (Rof to 8rpm, AP to 21, Stealth to medium,)
9. F/A-18A (ANZAC one) rerolled to F/A-18B HUG, swapping those AIM-9s for hilariously OOTF AMRAAMs that are still older than the MICA EM, price to 150pt.
10. Mirage F1C model change to Mirage 2000C RDI, renamed to Mirage 2000D, Magics upgraded to Magic IIs, Super 530 Fs replaced with a single BGL-1000 Laser Guided Bomb, identical stats to GBU-27/B Paveway III) ECM to 40% Price to 140pt. Availability to 0/2/0/0/1
>>124960137
Only has like 15 rounds in the turret, the rest are stored in the hull. It's shit lmao.
>>124921795
>Not calling your deck Red Dawn
you're fuckin' up yourself, cunt
>>124970692
>Call Deck Red Dawn
>Wolverines burst through the windows and blow up your computer.
>>124961608
>the 103s are only good at bullying APCs and cheap tanks. Will get creamed by anything in their own point class. The strv 105 and the leos are pretty good value for their points but gets shat on by anything heavy, which scandi struggles with.
Just this shows you have no idea what you are talking about. The 103D costs 5pts more than the T-72B1 and will land twice as many shots per minute against it. The 103C is also competitive against it, although it isn't an outright slaughter. Scandis have never struggled against heavies, especially now that the only tank they couldn't beat 1vs1 with their own just got it's top armor nerfed.
how is it
>>124971871
>only one card of 2 shitty ASFs
Generally when you go airborne, it's expected that you can keep air superiority.
>>124972250
which sov planes would you recommend
i might ditch some of these for 27S and 2 cards of 27PU
>>124971871
go mig-25pd instead of shitty yaks.
>>124972886
thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw8AZK1iies
Take notes planeposters on how not to use missiles.
>>124973243
I don't even know where to start on all the shit that's being done incorrectly there.
Firing missiles when the enemy is coming head-on is a good way to waste them, for one, and then I can't figure out why he'd think his missiles would have a chance of hitting when the target's flying between hills/mountains like that. They don't trail the target, they try to lead, so they're pretty much going into the dirt unless you're right in their six, where you should probably be using cannons anyway.
Fuck.
>>124970926
>T-72B1
Got your problem right there bro, the T-72B1 is complete trash, not the 103 that is op
>>124973243
So fucking bad
So I feel I need to remove some tanks, just not sure what ones to remove.
Any suggestions, or any other changes?
>>124973942
You can fire at head on, but not at max range like they seem to be, unless you want the enemy to maneuver, and you don't fire 3 fucking missiles at roughly the same time.
>>124975528
Yeah, the only reason I can think of for firing head-on at that distance is to force the enemy to maneuver a bit and possibly lose their lock on you.
Still can't decide why Mirknir decided to fire 3 in that close succession. I would've fired one then waited a couple seconds to see if a follow-up was needed.
>>124976005
I don't know why he didnt go 2 or 8 after firing and that other idiot in the su-33 going up to defeat missiles, jesus christ.
Any good naval battle simulators/navy games out there that aren't WoWs or SO?
>>124975437
Tanks I would not use: starship, sheridan. sure they have big badda boom, but they are shittttttttttt.
4 cards of AA? A bit much esp. when your using two f15c. I'd say drop cent marksman - fuck that slow gas guzzling pos. Vulcans are okay ish but unless you get the pivads their range is pretty trash. Adats is comfy as fuck this patch, and i hawks are pretty damn good for not being a patriot.
Two cards of upvetted stingers? Again already tons of AA, off the top of my head I can't remember what armored get exactly, but there is probably a decent canadian infantry you should get with a cheap transport to run your cities for you. Same for two cards of bradleys - your troops are going to be expensive, maybe one card and a second card of rifleman in something cheap.
5 cards of logi? Why? Why do you need 10 command vehicles????? I'd get rid of jeeps. They are cheap, they are fast, and you get more of them, but a 120 pt. cv can eat an arty shell if they get frustrated and start blind firing likely hiding spots. If your really confident, get rid of the m577, but you probably aren't so don't.
I prefer a card of m1a1 over the m1a1(HA) to give you a more mid range tank. base m1 abrams are decent workhorses when highly vetted, and m1IP still are pretty damned good.
Consider getting a CEV in veh tab. - 2450 range and 8 HE. They can really fuck up shit either as part of a wave or just shelling a known enemy town. Also decent armor. Can also fuck up tanks because of the HE and supp.
Armored decks should have the fucking apache. When you picture 'murica in desert storm you think abrams + apache bros. It's criminal you can't get them. Balance~~
F-15 are good but I prefer a single card of 2 f-16 block 52. Yes lower vet, but in my experience, two planes beat one plane, and you get more value out of a single card. If your a pro at micro maybe f-15 can work for you, but you already have good ground based AA. Consider getting a prowler/electric boogaloo/wild weasel.
>>124976920
Checked armory - as armored I would suggest pioneers for cities, or assault engineers. Ass teams aren't as good as spets, but they can chew stuff up. Pioneer are also very effective and 10 men teams.
Also you should get either a missile plane or an iron bomber. - A10 if your cheeki, f-18 if you want to kill something quickly and get your plane out - f-18 has 4 missiles and double taps so be warned, it'll try and make two runs.
Bombers your looking at the F15D strike eagle, or the nighthawk - nighthawk being significantly easier to get deaded, but it's sneaky. the napalm phantom is also very very effective, but it can get shot down fairly easily. I used to use intruders as they were cheap and could very easily earn their points back while having 3 of them, but I've been going for heavier punching planes recently.
Special mention to canadian cf-104 starfighters. They have 2600m rockets which will fire about the same time as a ground based AA will lock on and fire back. The rockets are very very fast and will at a minimum stun or panic the AA. Very useful against tunguskas, and only 70 points. Also effective fast response to say, infantry pushes - the extra 200m range on their rockets makes a big difference. Also they are decent AA in a pinch - say if the enemy noob has decided to chase a plane all the way back to your base - throw 3 70 pointers at him and you may lose one plane but you'll probably earn 130+ back.
>>124974608
It and the prototyped wilk are the most cost effective redfor mediums, everything else is dominated by leopards.
Me and another guy from here played some newer players and I went back and watched the replay and the dude had this sitting in a forest way back. No idea his strategy here. They sat here until the end of the game.
>>124976920
>Tanks I would not use: starship, sheridan.
Is there a good low point ambush tank you would recomend instead of them?
>Two cards of upvetted stingers? Again already tons of AA, off the top of my head I can't remember what armored get exactly, but there is probably a decent canadian infantry you should get with a cheap transport to run your cities for you. Same for two cards of bradleys - your troops are going to be expensive, maybe one card and a second card of rifleman in something cheap.
All I get for rifle infantry are Canadian Rifles, CR 85', Riflemen and Riflemen 90'
The Riflemen have a better AT weapon for five points more, and honestly I was mostly taking the infantry for the Bradley, figured spending the extra five points on the 90 over the base was worth it. But dumped one stinger and down vetted the other
Aside from that there is the MAW the ERYX and engineers alongside the MANPADs
>5 cards of logi? Why?
Dumped the jeeps, usually I feel stretched thin with only four CV though, I sometimes have to cover for allies, or they get killed because I overlooked something or an enemy got a lucky strike. But I will try just the M577
>I prefer a card of m1a1 over the m1a1(HA) to give you a more mid range tank.
I was planning on using the MBT-70 Leopard C2 and the Mexas for the work horse tanks.
>Consider getting a CEV in veh tab.
Added the CEV, so it should be used similar to how a mortar is used?
>
F-15 are good but I prefer a single card of 2 f-16 block 52. Yes lower vet, but in my experience, two planes beat one plane, and you get more value out of a single card. If your a pro at micro maybe f-15 can work for you, but you already have good ground based AA. Consider getting a prowler/electric boogaloo/wild weasel.
So changed that to one card of 2 f-16 block 52, one card of 2 powerlers, 1 card of two arardvarks, and one card of eagles.
>>124979000
Maybe he was just amassing a huge army that he was going to attack with, then forgot to actually attack.
>>124979000
Noobs always prepare for "the big push", which only will happen if they feel they can totally overwhelm the enemy. Usually they just run out of time, which means you see shit like that.
>>124979201
Had 2 b5s and a smerch on standby. Would have been glorious.
>tfw mowing through enemy lines with BTR-90
>tfw sniping F-15Ds with Pongae 2's
>tfw posting base OSA's rightouside of a town to kuckhold clapper heloborn infrantry before they get a chance to unload
>tfw killing ravens with base OSA and Pongae-2 combo
>tfw sniping ninja's out of the sky with Mig-23s
>tfw popping Abrams with Mig-27
>tfw B-5ing any and all counterattacks
Sovkor Moto is Real Fucking Pact
>>124979112
>Is there a good low point ambush tank you would recomend instead of them?
Honestly, there isn't a dirt cheap tank, the m8 is amazing at wrecking shit from an ambush - but it has no armor so it's not going to duel well with other tanks. The reason I keep away from the sheridans is that even if they have a 152 and missiles, their accuracy is dogshit, their size is big, they're slow, they have poor fuel efficiency. If you want to pop slightly armored things use an m8 maybe backed up by a CEV or comvat. The MBT-70 are true gems - 152, (Shitty) missile, and a 20mm autocannon. They are great wreckers of assholes.
Comvats are something you can also consider - 1900m range autocannon with 70% accuracy, and even a bit of armor. Their kinetic guns can also chew up tanks from close range if the enemy isn't careful.
>Infantry
Backing up infantry assaults with IFV can be very powerful, but it's also very very easy to lose those 35 pt carriers. If your comfortable with them ~, but having a cheap carrier to send out infantry is very very very useful. 50 pts for your riflemen is a lot. You can have 2 1/2 squads of riflemen in the m113 for the cost of one bradley.
MAW/Eryx are both subpar, maw is short, eryx is guided and slow. Between the two I'd go eryx.
>Tanks
If it works for you more power to ya. Heavy/Med/Light isn't necessarily worse/better than Heavy/Light, it depends on how you play it.
>CEV
Sort of a ghetto mortar, you bring it up to a treeline and let it shoot. It'll do far more damage than a mortar, while also being very accurate. If you get into a stalemate between treelines/city area bring one out and send off a few rounds, shits the tits. Hell it can back up armored pushes very very well since it'll fuck up tanks and has enough range to not be the front line.
>>124975437
>no M8
>>124979112
Oh, also
>Aardvarks
They are decent bombers, decent all around stats. The bomb path is a long line last time I used it as opposed to the more circular/shotgun like bomb pattern of the su-24m/intruder. Better at killing moving stuff, but exposes the bomber longer (again this was awhile ago so pattern may be different, I haven't used them in a long time) but looking at the ACC stat on aardvark and intruder I'm guessing it's still the same. They're fine bombers.
Like I said earlier, the phantoms are very good tho. I believe they have the largest napalm load in the game. It won't necessarily kill everything outright, but anything in the center will get panic locked and burned to death. Also acts as a smoke field blocking LoS, and denies valuable pathways in the opener.
Also consider nighthawk, them 20 HE guided bombs are delicious.
Try them all out, find the one you like best, go with that. You won't be disappointed by the strike eagle. Very durable, excellent bomb load, doubles as a fighter in a pinch.
If you find space in a future deck to get 5 cards of planes, I would definitely get an ATGM plane. F-18C and a-10 both viable in their own ways. A-10 has brrrrrrrrrrrnnt.
>>124982963
Has m8 AGS third from right in tank row.
Get a load of these cookies.
>>124984619
BRDM-2 OP
>>124984930
How the fuck.
>>124984986
steelth technology and opponents who don't pay attention
>Beating meta users with your DPRK national deck
>>124979112
The 25pt M551 ACAV is amazing for this. you dont pay 10pt for the worthless missile and get good optics and the 4HE cannon.
>>124983289
Fuck you for suggesting someone to use the Aardvark. One of the worst planes in the game.
F-15D is pretty much the only viable iron bomber on the US.
>>124979112
USA has a ton of air cards, but really only one viable lineup.
F-16 Block52 + F-15D + Raven/Prowler + F-18C/Elite Harrier II. Prowler is generally greatly favored over Raven due to resistance to bad rolls and 2 means you reload faster than once every 5 minutes.
If you have the AP for a 5th slot (which I don't recommend), nab a nighthawk or Intruder.
Progress on map 4. Once it's done, I'll insert the .fp9 values, then the map pack will be completed. After that, I can work on scenarios, playtesting the scenarios, tying them into a campaign, playtesting the campaign, and then finally releasing everything on the official site.
>>124992270
>hexshit
>>124959463
Never not take PUFF, it is tied with F-16 block 52 for best SEAD.
It's the only SEAD that costs less than the things it kills, so suiciding PUFF's into Tunguska-M/BUK-M is a positive trade. You get 3 of them so if the enemy brought upvet Buk-M, you can actually kill all 3 even if you trade PUFF's 1 for 1.
Scandi tank line is excellent. Leopard 1A5 is fantastic, kills redfor tanks up to 70 points easily. Leopard 1A5NO2 is similar.
The STRV 103 line is amazing for fire support and push-stalling. They are the only tank with size "small", which slaps a 10% accuracy penalty on everything shooting at it. Combined with the crap accuracy of most redfor tanks, it will last a long time under fire.
STRV 121 is average for 160 points except for Leclerc. It will trade evenly with M1A1 HC, T-80U, and Twardy. It trades better than those tanks against T-90/72BU because better AP.
I think the Scandi air tab is tied for best with the USSR, ahead of EC and US.
You are spoiled with good ASF choices, F-16 Block 15 at elite is excellent. If that's not your thing, bring F-16AM.
MLU is the best multi-role in the game hands down. 40% ECM, 2 per card, good ATGM and AMRAAMS. Send these things right behind your ASF and watch the magic.
Puff is already explained
Then you have some choices.
AJS-37 Cluster bomber has 10AP, so it one shots soft skins and 2-shots 2AV, and 3 shots everything else.
SK-60B is cheap LGB. You can either plink soft skin vehicles and Infantry for certain, or send them in a pain train to kill a superheavy, 3 SK-60B will kill everything in the game, 2 will do for T-80UM.
Norwegian F-16A, good iron bomber unit. 2 1000 pound bombs and fair ECM.
After the nerf to Panzergrenadiers, Scandi has probably the best infantry tab in bluefor. Stormer in NM135 are broken. ERYX is great. FSK and Fallskjermjeger are amazing. Recon tab Jagere is amazing.
>>124979000
It's called a strategic reserve, duuh.
Did you guys notice we have a /his/ board now? I just saw!
>>124995809
Don't tell people that, history nerds are like 25% of our bmps if not more.
>>124995809
I bet it's just /po/ 2.0 already.
>>125001901
Mods have done a decent job of keeping /pol/ down. Unfortunately the official title is "History and HUMANITIES", meaning half the threads are about whatever buttfuck religion anons claim to follow
Blufor I usually do pretty well, but redfor I struggle alot.
Are you supposed to play the decks differently sp my play style benefits one more than the other?
>>125002292
Eventually the mods will slacken or leave in frustration. Then it will end up 'Hitler did nothing wrong' 24/7
I need help. I want to get a HOTAS, specifically the X52. I have an Intel Z97 motherboard, why is that important you ask? Well, since HOTAS seem to hate USB 3.0 you have to use 2.0 from what I understand. I have only two 2.0 ports, no big deal, right? Use those! Well, I have reports that even sometimes the 2.0 ports on Z97 mobos don't work.
What I am to do? Get a USB 2.0 hub? Do you guys know any that have good power so the HOTAS wouldn't get disconnected?
>>125003289
It's the other way around. At least, for the X55. Ya need a powered USB port, and even then, probably a powered hub or you'll get ghost inputs. This seems to be decidedly a Saitek problem, though.
>>125001901
It's okay actually
>>125003547
Well, I just learned my 2.0 ports actually don't seem to work. I suspected this so I just connected my webcam and keyboard to them and they just both shut down.
Can you connect a USB 2.0 port to USB 3.0 and not have a problem? If not guess I'm not playing sims. Unless the warthog supports 3.0
>>125003289
I have my X52 Pro set plugged into a USB 3.0 slot, no problem.
It gets a bit fucky when you try to use the control panel and change the colors of lights on the stick, which is fucking useless because the MFD only does green. It's fine.
>>125003860
What kind of mobo you got?
>>125003289
I have a z97 mobo and saitek rudder pedals and the TM warthog , Im constantly changing them around between the 2.0 and 3.0 ports and have zero issues
>>125003916
Does the warthog work fine on 3.0? Why are you changing them around all the time?
>>125003890
Asus Maximus IV Extreme.
It basically only does USB3.0. I've got a USB2.0 hub hooked up to it and the sticks work just fine out of those two slots, too. Lights can be changed to red/amber and will "stick" which doesn't seem to happen through 3.0 for some reason, maybe just because I've unplugged them and haven't changed them back.
Otherwise they work perfectly through both USB2.0 and 3.0.
>>125003776
>Well, I just learned my 2.0 ports actually don't seem to work
What ports? the ones in the I/O panel at the back or case ports?
>Can you connect a USB 2.0 port to USB 3.0 and not have a problem?
USB is interchangeable just fine you just wont get 3.0 speeds in a 2.0 port
>>125004045
The I/O ones. I had an issue when putting the PC together. I think a piece of the IO, one of the prongs got into one and maybe shorted it.
>>125003973
yes it works fine and they get changed around because of other games reading my hotas and pedals so i unplug them also because falcon BMS is a fucking CUNT
>>125004090
>one of the prongs got into one and maybe shorted it
You were putting a PC together with it plugged in and turned on?
>>125004321
No, I put it together, everything looked fine and only noticed it after I turned it on. Turned it off and removed the prong out of it. Have used 3.0 totally just to be safe
>>125004090
I feel you, anon. The "divider" between USB2.0 ports on the face of my case broke off and fell out within 6 months of having built my rig, that's what made me put the 2.0 hub in. Still have 3.0 ports on the face that can be used at least.
Coolermaster is really bad at USB ports.
>>125004396
So your hub has no problems with 3.0 ports and powering HOTAS (Which one do you have?)? Which hub do you use?
>>125004639
I don't even know, anon. I'm the guy with the X52 Pros. I'm using the shitty freebie USB 2.0 hub that came packaged with my motherboard. You really don't need anything special.
>>125004639
>>125004736
he's right you don't need anything special, but if you really want to be pedantic then get a powered USB hub and use it in your 3.0 ports in the I/O panel.
>>125004136
I'm thinking of maybe just buying a Warthog. This will be my first flight stick and they're not as much as I thought. If it has native 3.0 support and not all these issues Saitek stuff seems to have
>>124995809
Donuts to Diamonds it will be /pol2/ in a heartbeat and even the best of intentions wont save it.
>>124945281
I can't imagine it penetrating deep enough at that angle to cause fatal damage, granted I don't know the exact specifications of that missile.
>>125005448
Warthog is a big investment for a first stick but its your money and it is USB 2.0 but 3.0 is backwards compatible with all previous versions of USB so there is no issue.
>>125005448
>>125006053
oh and don't forget if you get the warthog you need rudder pedals aswell.
>>125006147
>if you get the warthog you need rudder pedals aswell.
X52guy with rudder pedals here. What the fuck? Someone want to explain this to me?
>>125007153
Warthog has no twist axis
>>125007781
That might be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard so far as joysticks go, and I'm using something made by fucking Mad Catz. I guess they only want hardcore simfags that don't use the stick for anything but planes to buy it.
>>125007868
Well yes it was made specifically for DCS A10C.
also having 3 axis on one control input gets really shitty after awhile
>try to input left rudder accidentally pitch forward or roll left at the same time.
Also flying coordinated with a twist stick is tiresome.
>>125009509
You're right there, but I like being able to switch over to playing Elite or something and not having to worrry about lack of a yaw axis. Using rudder pedals in space would be kind of awkward even if the game sort of supports them.
But yeah, playing DCS or even War Thunder is kind of shitty with it all on one stick, makes certain maneuvers slightly "easier" to pull off, it just fucks you all up when trying to precision aim and shoot a cannon during a dogfight.
![ec9f4a447ddb36ca955a265cc43fc12e[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SfCDbb5.jpg "ec9f4a447ddb36ca955a265cc43fc12e[1]")
Is the Cobra useful in a dogfight?
>>125011787
No. But the slavaboos think they are
>>125011787
Occasionally.
>>125011972
*i do admit they are cool though
>>125011787
>DCS
You shit on everyone else if you're good. Otherwise it's a suicide button.
>IRL
It will get you killed most of the time and getting WVR is a curse rather than a blessing now that the AIM-9X exists
Even this fancy kill took a lot more luck than skill.
>>125011787
If they were pretty close, maybe. I mean like, really close. If you pull this shit off with any kind of range, you'll eat an IR missile or some 20mm instantly. Especially 20mm, because you are suddenly a much bigger target picture.
>>125005448
desu Saitek x52 pro is fine for a first stick. The Q&A issues are pretty overhyped, if you are unlucky and get a bad stick you can always sent it back. It's mainly the x55 with the horrific issues.
>>125007868
>enthusiast tier stick costing hundreds of dollars
>wanting some shitty wobbly twist on it
for what purpose?
>>125012669
I play other games with it too anon.
Elite and muh MechWarrior don't like rudder pedals too much, shit in both games is hard to control with them.
>>125012858
Yeah the warthog is really not ideal for non planefag shit, I keep my x52 around for things like that personally.
>>124992270
Keep us up to date, ignore the shitposter
>>125013116
More hedges and forests added. Towns/cities are labelled but only them until I finish the forest layer. After that I can finish naming everything else, then the map is ready for the value inputs.
>>125002669
Contrary to what osme tell you, different nations/coalitions play differently because they have access to different units that behave in a different way. I'm in your same situation but reversed, as I usually play redfor better.
>>125012905
While I've got you here, is having independent throttle control for both engines on the HOTAS really necessary in DCS? I mostly fly MIG-21 but want to start using the FC3 stuff too
>>125013297
Not him but not really, but it is nice to have, even just for the extra axis
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>>125013187
And that big squiggle in Vechta is this thing, the mouth of the Fladderkanal which feeds the Vechtaer bog to the east.
>>125012128
Haven't played much multiplayer, but why use the smoke in a dogfight? Fuckin' around? Please tell me it's not autism "honor" points.
>>124993457
Go fuck yourself, faggot, it's wgg, not arcade-babbyshit-general
>>125013297
Split throttle is not necessary, it's just a nice luxury.
>>125013874
just a fun game where everyone spawned in the air with 2x redsmoke. Mostly just dogfight practice.
>>125013970
Neat, might be fun. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't getting into a turbosperg community that tries to control other players' actions
>>125013934
>>125013420
Cool. I figured there wouldn't be many situations where you'd suffer too much from not having it, but I may try to get a split throttle somewhere long down the line.
>>124960137
Danes still managed to lose 6 of these in Afghanistan according to the article:
http://www.b.dk/nationalt/skrottede-kampvogne-hjem-som-luftfragt&
>>125014265
Hope you like meme spouting.
So where is a good place to find divisional organization charts for the cold war Era?
Preferably with what equipment was used, and roughly what numbers.
I want to make some War Game decks based off actual forces for fun.
>>125014310
Danes are incredibly aggressive in Afghanistan, most casualties compared to what they sent in, not surprised at them losing 6 vehicles.
>>125014319
The plane I fly is a fucking meme. S'cool.
>>125014597
>Actual forces for fun
When Eugene completely fucked up Soviet availability for anything but tin cans.
>>125014597
>divisional
Way out of scale for Wargame.
Battalions are the standard, and a few examples are:
American Mech Inf Bn (Bradleys):
>BHQ
>Mech Inf Company (x4)
>>CHQ
>>Mech Inf Platoon (x3)
>>>Bradley x4, Mechinf x3, support squad x1 (which may be dragon atgm, mk19 agl, m2 browning, etc...)
>AT platoon is typically attached in M113 battalions consisting of M150 x4
Which comes up to about 56+ AFVs.
On the other hand side:
Soviet Tank Bn (Tank Division in a Tank Regiment)
>BHQ (Tank "K", BMP-Ksh CV x2, logis and battalion support)
>Tank Company (x3)
>>CHQ (1 Tank)
>>Tank Platoon (x3)
>>>T-80 or T-64 x3, T-72s were only in Motor-Rifle Divisions
Often attached to Tank battalions were,
>Motor-Rifle Company (BMP)
>>CHQ
>>Motor Rifle Platoon (x3)
>>>BMP x3, Mechinf x3, 1 Strela MANPADS team
>>Support platoon x1 with AGS-17 AGL, NSV HMG, ATGM, etc...
Total 31 tanks, 12+ BMP, and that's baseline as opposed to a reinforce tank battalion including many more assets like regimental AA (Shilkas + Strelas), the Regiment's artillery battalion (2S1 Gvozdika or D-30), and regimental recon assets (BRDM-2, BRM-1)
>>125014597
I made this short list from the Soviuet TO&E book. I actually forgot where i got the american stuff from, i think i based that off the Heavy Division US had in southern germany during the 1980s.
Either way if you want an even more detailed list you'll need the TO&E paper probably.
>>125015187
Ahhh, so is there any good source to find these break downs for various nations? or is it mostly guesswork?
Wanted to do a couple for each nation.
>>125015327
Googles' your friend.
Soviet OOB (circa 1991)
http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-3.pdf
E-Ger OOB (Circa 1988)
http://www.relikte.com/_basis/docs/nva-2.pdf
>>125015424
Thanks, didn't know the term I was looking for was order of battle, I was trying to use stuff like force organization, or battalion organization.
Opinions? First time creating a scandi deck.
>>125016240
I don't normally play Scandi but
Infantry
I would say take one card of Livgarden '85 they are a cheap cost effective unit that you get alot per a card I find.
I would take FSK over the Kustjagre, they have a much better AT weapon or if you are going to take the Kustjagre for the increased number take the 90 version they are the same cost and have better equipment.
Support looks good I think.
Tanks look fine to me
Recon
I would say trade the AS350 for the cayuse, the Cayuse has less hp and speed, but your recon should not be getting shot and that ten points isnt worth the marginal hp and speed increase in my opinion.
I would trade the Jagere for the marinejagere, two man teams are harder to spot, and the sniper rifle can be punishing when used properly.
panserbil is just bad, recon is very dependent on seeing the enemy first and not getting seen, I would swap it for epbv 90 or nm116, If you want a cheap scout grab a jeep.
Vehicle
Personally I wouldn't take the IKV
And upgrade that PVTP to a tow2, it is worth the few extra points for the extra range and accuracy.
Helo looks fine
Plane
Personally I would drop the SK 60B for the Draken, Draken has scary bombs, and has some ECM, personally I don't run planes without at least some ECM I find they are a waste of points.
>>125014265
DCS is pretty chill, the guys in the ts in the op are nice enough. We haven't done much recently though since that peroid where everyone's hardware broke.
>>125017370
>panserbil is just bad
are you fucking retarded
the panserbil is a ridiculously effective combat unit
>>125017506
and ED done broke the game as well
>>125017370
Thanks.
>I would say take one card of Livgarden '85 they are a cheap cost effective unit that you get alot per a card I find.
They come in worse transports though, they only get a marginally better AT.
>I would take FSK over the Kustjagre, they have a much better AT weapon or if you are going to take the Kustjagre for the increased number take the 90 version they are the same cost and have better equipment.
The Kustjägare are for infantry busting due to 80% accuracy rifle. When they promote to Elite (very quickly) they hit pretty much every roll. The AT and MG can be ignored. The '90 variant have worse rifles.
would have taken FSK if I had more slots, but I think Pansarskytte '90 will have more use, since high RoF and pretty effective AT and fast transports.
>I would say trade the AS350 for the cayuse, the Cayuse has less hp and speed, but your recon should not be getting shot and that ten points isnt worth the marginal hp and speed increase in my opinion.
Yeah, probably a good idea. When playing as USSR I've found that fast helos have been useful for running out of engagement zones but that was the Mi-8.
>I would trade the Jagere for the marinejagere, two man teams are harder to spot, and the sniper rifle can be punishing when used properly.
I've had bad luck with sniper teams. They're stealthy but they tend to die to random fire, maybe I position them badly. In either case the Jaegere are more meant for combat recon.
>panserbil is just bad, recon is very dependent on seeing the enemy first and not getting seen, I would swap it for epbv 90 or nm116, If you want a cheap scout grab a jeep.
Panserbil was meant for fast firerate stunning really, but I think I'll try it out to see how effective it actually is. I did read it was nerfed though.
>And upgrade that PVTP to a tow2, it is worth the few extra points for the extra range and accuracy.
35 points is below the pain limit of a sacrificial ambush unit for me, I tend to use TOW-2's in LAVs.
How uncomfortable is to play DCS with a TM16000K and no headtracking?
>>125018346
>Effective combat unit
>Recon tab
I select my recon units for their ability to spot things, not for their ability to kill things.
If I wanted an effective fighting vehicle I would go to a different tab.
Also prefaced that with I don't normaly play scandi, and looking at it's stat line it is not a good scout because it is medium size, lightly armored, and has good optics.
>>125018680
You can get by with a crappy stick, ground attackers and the F-15 are pretty flyable with no head tracking. I'd prioritise getting yourself a delanclip or similar over a better stick at first.
>>125018631
>The Kustjägare are for infantry busting
Fair enough, I find that usually my infantry have harder time cracking tanks then other infantry, but that is really more of a case of personal preference.
>I've had bad luck with sniper teams.
Yeah I would chock that up to personal preference as well, I wish my mech Landjut army got sniper teams myself.
>Panserbil was meant for fast firerate
Well as a combat support Recon it might work, I try to avoid putting my recon in combat situations because I have had them get targeted to remove their spotting.
>35 points is below the pain limit of a sacrificial ambush unit for me
Fair enough, if you don't want to spend the extra ten points the PVTP is a good alternative to the base TOW
>>125018743
>doesn't use recon bradleys for combat
>doesn't use GRU for combat
>>125018743
it's like you're stuck in 2014.
You never want recon vehicles for optics, that's what shock recon is for.
>>125019105
I seriously thought about that but I'm kind of shit when it comes to soldering. On one hand, I fixed my 360 wired controller. On the other hand I managed to fuck the solderer's tip while building one of those DIY trackers.
>>125019256
Honestly, I'm not sure I could play DCS with no tracking. I don't mean that in a pretentious way, it just makes so much difference.
>>125019256
Also I'm not using the one I built not because it doesn't work but because the cardboard I used was awful, it wobbles a lot.
>>125019718
I know that there's a world of difference between having headtracking and not having it - I played IL-2 with facetracknoir, it was great but I had to reset its status pretty often as it lost tracking all the time (and it doesn't work if you wear glasses).
>Be ED
>release patch notes
>don't release actual patch
fucking hell
>>124979272
works great in total destruction, though
>>124974608
this posted has never experienced the joy 2 strv 103d sneaking up on, well, anything.
in equal points, and at 1800 range or less, 2 strv 103d will shit on any other tanks for the same price or less. superheavies ain't so super against 17ap 30rpm.
we dying lets move boyz
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>4 posts early
>>124976662
i really like fleet command, its def a little older, but that makes it cheap, and i really had a great time playing it. its actually oddly suspensful. and its probably 5% of the price of command modern air/naval
>>124979000
Oh hey, that was me. I had no idea dude had that stuff sitting back there. No wonder we just kinda sat there while they fed us every air unit they had.
>>124981991
>eryx is subpar
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