Putin lair edition
>What the fuck is this?
A general for all the realistic wargames out there that don't generate enough traffic to sustain their own generals.
>Old thread
>>124079191
>Attention grabbing search terms go here:
/wgg/, /fsg/, /mowg/, /mowassg/, /rtsg/, /ctag/, /dcsg/
>Example welcome games:
Wargame: Red Dragon
Combat Mission
Call to Arms
Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm
Graviteam Tactics
DCS: World
Theatre of War
Men of War
Falcon BMS
Command: Modern Air Naval Operations
Armored Brigade
Close Combat
Steel Beasts
Steel Panthers MBT
>Graviteam DLC:
http://pastebin.com/TwMLZQ6h (embed)
>Interesting history links:
Cold War military technology ads:
http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/military-ads-1980s
/wgg/ misc Cold War literature:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/zfm69f0k91pmf0y/wgg-lit-v1.3.rar
The Soviet Army: troops, organization & equipment
http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-3.pdf
USMC intelligence North Korea handbook:
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/nkor.pdf
>Steamgroups:
/wgg/ old group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VG-Wargamers
/wgg/ new group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dedgamededthread
Uralmod official group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Uralgraznomod
/wgg/ Men of War / Call to Arms Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ReReaGa
/fsg/ group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/flightsimgeneral
>Teamspeak server
uralmod.typefrag.com:7495
>Legacy Wargame General pasta and game-info repository:
http://pastebin.com/70Nwcb5m (embed)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lon0cgmjfqwq1oi/WargameRD_Hidden_Knowledge_Spreadsheet.xlsx?dl=0
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UvBiH3lrCFzLYnRzNzF49yVtaNHYLfi7dgMpNE517RM/
Best plane coming through
>>124683893
NICE MISS DICKHOLE
3rd for CAS (Close Artillery Support)
>>124683986
Would've gotten the kill with a warhead in it, but I assume they're testing a bunker buster
guys pls help with DCS 2.0
>>124683986
>>124684096
It's inert, it also hits the side of the turret creating a huge spark
![140821-F-LX370-234[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4rSF4OU.jpg "140821-F-LX370-234[1].jpg")
>>124684007
air interdiction would have made it irrelevant
>>124685108
Wow DCS is looking really good these days
Is there any way to set MERs so that they loose only one bomb, or will they always empty the whole rack?
>11 posts
>3 IPs
Has /wgg/ just been the same 3 fags replying to eachother and themselves the entire time?
>>124685290
You just realized that now?
>>124685290yes
alas, i must bmp
>>124685898
>New thruster burns hot enough to incinerate tax dollars before they can billow out, fixing the final loophole in it's stealth ability now that there is no longer a contrail composed of American peasants' dreams of healthcare and affordable college.
>>124686072
>not aim-9x.webm
>>124686126
That's a good one. Fixed.
m60's a pretty tank, too bad it's shit
>>124687776
Still causes a lot of troubles for my T-55s in Graviteam Tactics
>>124685290
>>124688769
I'd like to know what thread that's from
I want to fuck a He-162, please help.
>>124688958
>being this naziboo
Kill yourself, son
>>124689178
I'm not a naziboo at all. Naziboos would never admit that their tanks are shit and they'd defend the dumbfucks that decided that centimeter band radar and strategic bombers are unfeasible.
>>124688405
but m8, you use T-72s in graviteam tactics
>>124689817
That's clearly a T-44 lad
>>124690057
maps +
GENERIC:
- Every transport helicopter is now available in Motorized deck with the exception of marine-reserved ones (Panther, Ka-29, CH-46).
- BMP-1's GROM gun accuracy increased from 20% to 35%
- 9M33M3 missile of OSA AKM accuracy increased from 50% to 55%
RECON:
- Chinese ZTQ-62G gun noise increased by about 20%
- British Gazelle AH.1 SNEB speed increased from 260kmh to 310kmh
- Danish Vildkat price increased from 20$ to 25$
- Japanese Hachi-Nana Shiki price increased from 25$ to 30$
INFANTRY:
- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport
- American Light Riflemen price reduced from 15$ to 10$
- British MILAN 2 squads avaialbility reduced to match other MILAN 2 squads
- Canadian Highlanders price reduced from 25$ to 20$
- Canadian Highlanders '75 & Highlanders '90 now have access to Grizzly and Bison as transport
TANK:
- Soviet T-72BU top armor reduced from 5 to 4
- N-Korean T-90 top armor reduced from 5 to 4
- N-Korean Ch'onma-Ho IV optics increased from poor to medium
>>124690514
SUPPORT:
- Soviet 9M33 missile used by the OSA loses the radar trait, range set to 2800/2275
- Soviet BM-27 Uragan availability reduced from 3/2 to 2/1
- Soviet 2K22 Tunguska avialability increased from 4/3 to 5/4
- British Starstreak missile accuracy increased from 55% to 65% and HE increased from 5 to 6
- British Starstreak missile range vs ground targets reduced from 2800m to 2625m
- British Starstreak missile range vs helicopters increased from 2975m to 3150m
- British Starstreak missile range vs planes increased from 2275m to 2450m
- British Stormer HMV is now available in Armoured decks
- British Stormer HMV price increased from 70$ to 75$
- British FV 432 Mortar carrier ammo loadout reduced from 200 to 160
- British Tracked Rapier availability increased from 6/4 to 8/6
- British Tracked Rapier FSA range vs planes increased from 3500m to 3850m
- British Tracked Rapier FSA service date moved from 1983 to 1990
- British Tracked Rapier FSA price increased from 50$ to 55$
- British M270 MLRS now use cluster ammunitions
- Canadian ADATS is now available in Armoured decks
- Canadian ADATS prototyped, availability reduced to 1 card of 4
- Canadian ADATS front & side armor increased from 1 to 2
- Canadian ADATS accuracy increased to 70%
- Canadian ADATS range vs helicopters increased from 3150m to 3325m
- Canadian ADATS range vs planes increased from 2450m to 2625m
- Canadian ADATS price increased from 90$ to 110$
>>124690514
>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport
>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport>- Soviet Gornostrelki '75 & Gornostrelki '90 now have access to BTR line of transport
We made a floating block of metal.
>>124690574
VEHICLES:
- Soviet BTR-80A availability per card increased by one step
- E-German SPz BMP-1 SP-1 price reduced from 15$ to 10$
- Soviet BMP-1 availability increased by one step
- Polish BWP-1 availability increased by one step
- CSSR BVP-1 availability increased by one step
- N-Korean Korshun availability increased by one step
- E-German SPz BMP-1 SP-2 availability increased by one step
- E-German SPz BMP-1 P/c availability increased by one step
- Soviet BMP-2 obr.86 availability increased by one step
- CSSR BVP-2 cz.86 availability increased by one step
- British Warrior ammunition loadout doubled from 120 to 240
- ANZAC Vickers Mk.11 availability reduced to a single card
- ANZAC Vickers Mk.11 optics increased from bad to medium
- Danish M/92-PNMK price reduced from 25$ to 20$
- S-Korean KAFV 40/50 price increased from 10$ to 15$
HELICOPTER:
- Polish Mi-2 and W-3T Sokol removed from Mechanized, Armored and Support decks
- Polish Mi-24D added to Armored, Support and Mechanized decks
- Polish W3-W Sokol price reduced from 75$ to 70$
- American MH-60L DAP price increased from 60$ to 65$
- Danish Lynx removed from Mechanized, Armored and Support decks
- W-German Bo-105P/BSH availability increased by 1 step from 4/3 to 6/4
PLANES:
- Soviet Mig-29S price reduced from 135$ to 130$
- American F-111E & F-111F's ECM increased to 30%
- British Jaguar GR.1A missile range increased from 2975m to 3150m
- ANZAC F/A-18A Hornet price reduced from 140$ to 125$
- ANZAC Mirage 1110(A) price reduced from 80 to 65
- W-German Tornado IDS price reduced from 140$ to 130$
- French Mirage 5F price reduced from 110$ to 100$
- French VBL Mistral removed from Mechanized deck
>>124690584
yeh multiple people pushed for a buff to light infantry to make highlanders and us light rifles and the eb shit viable, ideally without buffing gornos, and eugen did the exact opposite of what was intended by the advice
This patch is way better than the last shitty one
>finally getting into DCS
>only full-simulation aircraft I have is the Meme-21bis and Su-25T included in basegame
>have FC3 but nothing in that is full-autism
How much do you guys think shit will be on sale for in a week or so? Wasn't everything -70% last x-mas? I want that A-10C. Maybe the Czech trainer shitpile too.
Also, I've tried running the 1.5beta and shit just crashes every time I try to load any mission that isn't one of the "training" ones. Have tried refuckulating my graphics settings all the way down to low, didn't help, so now I'm back on the default Steam version.
Finally, does anyone know how to get this piece of shit engine to interact nicely with Steam? never shows me as ingame and I have no overlay, game launches just fine in its own window that Steam doesn't want to talk to. Have tried searching both Steam and DCS/ED forums but no one knows shit.
>>124690514
>Chinese ZTQ-62G gun noise increased by about 20%
Okay. For what though?
>>124691259
To make it easier to detect the stealth tank by listening I guess.
>>124691259
To make it easier to spot when its shooting at things. It's very powerful force recon.
>>124691143
Sales likely won't be more than 40% off anymore as stated by ED in some news post a while ago
Dunno about the crashing, try making a separate clean install of the beta
>Patch is almost entirely CW and Soviet buffs
I'm ok with this
>BMP is now 35% accuracy.
Which means it's objectively a better gun platform than most actual tanks even close to that price range.
>>124692410
>ADATS now 70% accuracy.
>Range against helicopters 3325m
For 10 points more, you'll get a Tunguska-M missile that can destroy tanks with a higher accuracy than any PACT ground vehicle.
LNS said that the Viggen is almost done, right?
Fuck me I'm so hype
Full fidelity modern multirole with a2g radar
>>124693336
You also lose the gun that demolishes planes without playing RNG games, and ADATS missiles cost a lot more to resupply. As an AA piece the tunguska is still superior.
>>124693741
It seems like a lot of shit is pretty close to completion, I would imagine after 2.0 comes out we'll have a steady stream of new aircraft coming out each month if ED makes the devs space out the releases to be 1 a month or something.
F-18 should be pretty close to complete, F-14 early next year, bunch of WW2 planes, Viggen, Gazelle,eurofighteretc...which will probably be garbage because VEAO,
>>124694191
Hey did you know that if you aren't a shitter you have a SEAD plane behind what ever other plane you bring out.
Wow with this info you'll probably improve your gameplay by like 40%.
You're welcome btw.
>>124693336
>>124694191
And the WZ-550 costs 30pts less than the ADATS with a better ATGM
>>124694247
>not microing your 100pt radar AA
I think it's clear who the shitter is here
>>124694235
I'd say we'll be VERY lucky to get F-14 before 2017. F-5E looks likely for early 2016 though.
>>124694235
>F-14 early next year
Official estimate is second half of next year. They said in the September update that they're focusing more on the other two modules.
>>124694594
I was under the impression the F-14A model would be early next year with the A+ and B coming later, either way, we're getting a lot of content in the new year probably.
Any other alpha males play Combat Mission?
Any of you boys hyped for TALOS?
ODSTs are gonna be real, except without the drop pods
>>124694736
>Orbital Drop Shock Trooper
>without the Orbital Drop
m8
>>124694365
>spending this much time microing an overly expensive unit.
it's okay you tried though bob.
>>124694728
is that on steam?
>>124694717
Their internal beta is scheduled for early next year afaik, not the final product. That would be insane. LN announced the tomcat long before it was near completion just because of the hardon it gives people as a one off.
>>124695153
Ah okay, I must have misread that at some point. I just hope that LN and ED are able to make carrier ops more realistic with pitching decks and whatnot. It'll be pretty important for the F-18 module too.
>>124695076
Only on their website store.
>>124694935
>implying radar micro is hard and not just expected of any competent player
Calm down slavaboo, everyone in war game is entitled to super units, especially the Soviets.
>>124695076
Playing Combat Mission Black Sea at the moment, it's pretty good.
>>124694883
well whatever Spartans then
psuedo power armor will be real in our lifetimes, pretty cool
>>124695323
Any torrentiño?
>>124695285
>Defending an ATGM unit that is better than a TOW2 also being the best anti helicopter unit in the game.
Why is Eagle Dynamics getting so much shit done lately? You'd think that half of the stuff they'll release next year, like a plane with proper A2G radar would've been a thing by the time FC2 came out.
>>124698507
Because it's not Eagle Dynamics.
>>124698507
All the awesome stuff such as A2G radar, theaters that are actually interesting, WW2 AI units and such are done by LNS and not ED though
>>124698539
Pretty sure the A2G radar and ground vehicles actually fucking navigating around obstacles is something made by ED, not third parties.
>>124698507
>>124699101
ED make the technology.
Like multi seat, and ground radards, map makers yada yada.
The others use it for a nice amount of shekels per sold module.
>>124699353
My question stands still. Why are they getting so much shit done just now?
>>124699546
I guess all the years of silent work are coming to fruition.
> these bmp-1 changes
> mfw GDR fan
>>124701169
Best Germany is Best
I miss reserveshutzen in bmp-1
Auferstanden aus Ruinen.mp3
>>124696506
Funny, I didn't know Crotale could shoot tanks.
>>124702886
Well, ADATs does have higher accuracy and same range as Crotale now. This puts commonwealth in a pretty good spot, and gives a reason to take NORAD over regular USA. I'm looking forward to getting home and trying out bong armored with the Stormer and upgraded rapier though.
>tfw sturmpioneers in BMP-1s
What is LHV I can't find it anywhere and he also said Ottomatic but I don't think I have access to that.
These were corrections to a Scandinavian mech deck
>>124691143
>does anyone know how to get this piece of shit engine to interact nicely with Steam?
>using Steam with DCS
Stop using DCS on Steam. There is literally no benefit, only additional headaches. The reason nobody cares is because nobody who has been using DCS for a long time has it on Steam. They either started standalone, or moved to standalone from Steam.
source: I ran standalone, moved to Steam for a short time, no benefits, only drawbacks, went back to standalone.
>>124705914
Okay rate my corrections
>>124694235
F-18 is nowhere near finished and F-14 is not going to be early next year. F-14 will be middle of next year in the best possible unrealistically optimistic case. More than likely it'll be either the end of next year or early 2017.
Viggen and Corsair seem possible for early next year.
>>124699101
LNS is probably making their own radar model again, just like they did for the MiG-21's radar and its RSBN. There is no DCS level radar, so LNS made a custom radar model using just basic engine hooks. The RSBN system was introduced after MiG-21 by ED with the L-39, but the MiG-21 needed one so they just made their own RSBN system.
Same is probably happening for their air to ground radar. They'll make their own radar model and then ED will release F-18 in 6 years with the "canon" DCS air-air/air-ground full fidelity radar model.
>>124691143
>>124706665
Not true. I've been on Steam version forever now, you can mix the installs very easily. If there's something you want on sale on steam, buy it. It's always compatible with the store version.
>>124707259
Sales only go one way. Standalone can buy and use keys from the Steam store and DCS store, but Steam can't use keys from the DCS store.
>>124707438
Not true. I'm using store keys right now on DCS, stuff like MiG-21 and L-39. You just have to mix your installation.
>>124690620
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>>124690620
It's gonna deflect the living shit out of them radars.... right?
Bump (lazy edition)
>>124708063
watch it get BTFO by Exocet missiles that some towelheads somehow got a hold of because it just sat within visual range of the shore for days
it would be like that one time Serbs shot down a Nighthawk that had been flying the same route at the same hour for weeks
>>124693336
But now it's shit against planes so Canada, while getting even better anti helo it didn't need, instead now still gets fucked by fixed wing
American 5th Infantry Div. in the North
Entrenched British armor in the South
9. Panzerdivision can respond to either
Pick a battlefield, Kommandant.
>>124714875
Go beat up the Americans
Did anyone notice the new map?
>>124714875
Remove Burger
>>124706770
6.3/10
>>124718091
You mean the 6 new maps?
![1449599133372[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UiR6RwA.jpg "1449599133372[1].jpg")
If German ingenuity was so good why was one of their most successful tanks a copy of the dirty slavs T-34?
BMP IS FIGHT
>>124720174
>"copy"
It was 10 times more expensive
>>124718091
the 38th one is nice
You know with the recent updates i can't help but wonder how alive is Wargame nowadays?
>>124721854
Dedder thanDinobotin Beast Wars
>>124722192
You had to remind me
>>124720174
It wasn't
http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.nl/2012/07/wwii-myths-t-34-best-tank-of-war.html
Reminder that Russian tanks are all death raps and the Soviets only win because of zerg rush tactics
>>124724586
>literally every historian cites the T-34 as the best tank of world war 2
>one article on the internet dosent
>hurr durr T-34 a beath bap :D
>>124724961
>replying to Bob
At least wait till the thread's about to fall.
>>124724961
>literally every historian
>T-34 as the best tank of world war 2
literally only because it could be spammed to death
>>124724586
>>124724961
>>124725149
I love you guys
My NEWA just killed my own Wilk :(
Who's that planemon?
>>124730289
Where are the intakes?
>>124730289
Hungarian MiG-21s with fake USAF markings
>>124694736
>Spend 80 gorillion-billion-trillion dollars per soldier
>Still lose occupational conflicts against dirt farmers with pajamas and AK's
>All this fancy tech for some non-existant symmetrical opponents with the non-existant threat of another world war over our heads in which conventional warfare would somehow transpire despite the existence of nukes and the high likelyhood that both sides would chimp out and pre-emptively press the button in fear of the other side doing so first.
>Slowly becoming 3rd world nation because of this.
I'm starting to get a bit salty every time I see shit like this. Especially with that new shitty 'stealth boat' that they just launched from Maine the other day that cost 4.4 billion.
>>124730691
Oh come on, everyone knows the Zummwalt class is just the same kind of song and dance that the Seawolf class was.
>>124728694
thank you patch #2 :^)
>>124731178
It just irks the shit out of me, especially because I was in the military and got to see just how much tax dollars get flushed down the toilet on useless, frivolous shit to begin with, that dumb projects like the F-35 and this stupid ass boat are just the icing on the shit cake.
>All this fancy tech shit for non-existant pixy dust enemies that are actually willing to fight some nuclear-armed super power in conventional battle.
>Trillions of dollars on contractors
>But can't be arsed to make sure food is delivered to COPs that troops in active warzones are stationed at.
>Constantly trying to stiff veterans out of their benefits
>Constantly crying 'broke' when people back home ask for services that even countries with 1/50th the income manage to provide.If I thought it would change anything, I'd probably run Cheney over with a truck before being ventilated by his blackwater guards. We can at least be productive with our suicide rates.
>>124731786
>F-35
>dumb project
>>124731786
That destroyer is only the tip of the iceberg, they're planning on putting a railgun on it at some point if they can downsize it.
The whole boat will scream "SHOOT ME I'M EXPENSIVE AS FUCK" and someone will end up doing exactly that.
>>124731910
>Can't even beat an F-16 in a dogfight
>Tiny payload
>Stealth memes.
>>124683818
First weekend of hostilities went pretty well for some and not so well for others. Congratulations to Stream Snipers and Filthy Casuals who are now in Round 2 (which doesn't start till the 21st).
We currently have 17 teams but there is still room for more. No new teams will be accepted after the 21st, so if you want in then sign up!
For anyone already in the tourney, make sure you are posting in the matchmaking thread so that you can get your matches played before it is too late.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wggtourney
>>124732192
By that logic the Su-27S is better than the F-15C.
>>124732192
Am I going to have to bring out the bingo chart?
>>124732192
>>Can't even beat an F-16 in a dogfight
>didn't have relevant software and was being tested in a specific scenario with limitations, not a real world 1v1 dogfight
>doesn't need to get into a dogfight, will kill F-16 before it can even see it
>even if it gets into a turn fight it'll just AIM-9X it out of the sky while it's unable to get a lock
>>Tiny payload
>can take external stores and still remain more stealthy than F-16
>with internal stores it is much less likely to be shot down
>greater range, F-16 needs to sacrifice pylons for drop tanks on pretty much every single mission
>>Stealth memes.
>F-16
>no low-observability
>almost 2016
>>124732347
>>124732452
>>124732535
>Muh BVR
>N-No, Stealth works, really!
I almost wish conventional wars weren't obsolete just so those two memes can finally be undeniably refuted over and over.
>>124732986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw
>>124732986
Now I know this is b8
>>124732452
We've already got bingo
it's like I'm really on /k/
GORNO '90 IN BTR-90
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HATO SCUM ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>124732347
But it is, comrade.
>>124732986
>stealth tech hasn't advanced since the 80's
ok fam
>>124735637
>fam
Wait how did you do that?
>gotta make sure i keep my guys well supplied in this very low income match :^)
>>124735637
Oh, and what has changed that actually makes it anything other than a buzzword?
senpai fam
>>124735908
smh tbh fam
>>124735929
>ML_Alexandr
didn't expect to see him in these 10v10s
is he right?
>>124694935
Yeah, no. He's right.
You're a fucking shitter, lrn2micro your units faggot.
>>124736048
Computers became orders of magnitude more powerful, allowing for much better anti radar shapes to be computed.
>>124737126
Gorno 90s have the highest AP of any infantryborn ATGM in the game.
>>124738985
>what is the Milan 3
>>124737126
26 ap
twenty fucking six it will do at least 4 bars to anything under 160
>>124739157
They have the same 26AP anon. So dose the RBS 56. It is still the highest.
>>124691830
Well, shit, -40% is still good enough, I guess.
Will do a clean install soon just to see if that does anything.
>>124706665
What are the drawbacks other than Steam apparently not being able to interface with the game at all? I'd originally tried this as standalone a couple years ago but never did much and eventually uninstalled, bought FC3 and the MiG-21 through steam during the sale for Thanksgiving.
Finally, I see that the Mirage 2000C's going into beta for the people that pre-ordered it this month. That means it'll be out very early next year, right?
Otherwise the leaked stuff looks pretty interesting, just waiting on them to come out's going to be an issue, Guess I can make it to early 2017 at the latest before seeing those Tomcats (speaking of which, which F-14 are we getting? A? D?) and Super Hornets.
>>124739730
Steam has the benefit of having download servers that don't run on dial-up, it's not as bad as some people say compared to standalone, there really is very little difference.
F-14 will be the A, A+, and B variants
We will never get a super bug, just the regular bug
>>124730289
>Mig 21 with intake covered.
Does that shit fool anyone? I bet it doesn't even fly.
>>124740003
For some reason I thought the C was superhornet, but it's the -E.
F-14A-B are pretty neat, should be fun.
>>124739730
With Steam, you now have 2 layers of DRM over your game and I hate having to put up with Starforce by itself. It's just added headaches. The other is that I don't trust Steam to manage anything that is often modded.
On top of that, there's the sales thing where you can't buy things from the DCS store and use them on Steam anymore. That used to be a thing, but not anymore. Maybe it's changed again based on what some anon said earlier, and if they did that's news to me.
Standalone also gets stuff earlier and access to betas and alphas. Often, servers will use beta versions of patches, and to my knowledge you can't use those on Steam. In terms of modules, MiG-21 for example was available for like a month on standalone before it was released on Steam. It was cheaper on the DCS store as well. If you want a more recent example, the 2.0 alpha (NTTR) is unplayable on Steam.
I also don't trust the Steam version of DCS to work correctly because ED doesn't care about Steam.
That ED even made 1.5 available at all on Steam is unusual and not the norm.
There are only 2 positives I can think of to ever running DCS on Steam.
1. You have a hard on for Steam tracking your hours. If you want Steam chat and whatever you can do whatever it is that people do that.
2. When a patch gets pushed to live, Steam will update faster because the DCS Updater is slow. Honestly though, until the 2.0 alpha and its 30GB downloads, I've never had any problems with the DCS Updater and found it to be very reliable and do everything that Steam would do, but with more control and safer.
A new patch, a new nerf for China.
>>124741062
Ya, because DLC 3 and Map Pack one were not both fantastic for China.
>>124740847
Add browsing while playing to the Steam list (although the Steam browser is shit) since the standalone game hangs itself if you alt-tab out for too long.
>>124741825
I just play the game in fullscreen window and alt-tab like a madman. Even when I do play in true fullscreen (I swap back and forth between the two very often depending on what I'm doing) I haven't had much problem with alt-tabbing.
>>124740847
>If you want Steam chat and whatever you can do whatever it is that people do that.
Pretty much just this, it's getting annoying having to pause and alt-tab every time some fucking sperg messages me. Otherwise it'd be a non-issue, will start looking around for that fix.
Going to work on getting my Steam keys tied to my ED account finally and probably just run the standalone, but still going to avoid the beta updates for a while. Looks like the issue I'm having is in both 1.5 and 2.0 betas. May just be a graphics driver thing, I haven't updated my Catalyst bullshit in a month.
Also probably going to pre-order that Mirage while it's only $48..
>>124740847
>2 layers of DRM
What the fuck are you talking about? There's only one layer, and it's starforce.
>>124740516
Apparently it's a prop for the upcoming movie "Spectral". It's being shot in Hungary, so they're just working with what's available (MiG-21s and MiG-23s).
>>124742963
To me it's the same as clicking Play on a game in Steam, which launches another launcher like UPlay or Origin, and then launches the game from there.
It's another layer that doesn't need to be there.
>>124742963
A decent number of games require you to be logged into steam to play them, practically all of them are steamworks. Since they unfucked the offline mode awhile back this isn't a major issue, like the guy you replied to i'd rather have it not exist.
There is going to be a discussion spanning multiple threads if steam is drmIt obviously is, fucktard
>>124743196
You don't have to have steam running for a huge majority of games. It simply uses Steam to download and version-check. You can download it, delete steam, and still play your game.
>>124743225
Most games do not require it.
>shitposting/elitism about steam vs standalone intensifies
Bored burger here.
Would LOSAT be balanceable?
It goes without saying that the existing ATGM vehicles for US are abysmal. (Vehicles, not NOD stealth tanks.)
An 80 kg missile is pretty enormous. 1500 m/s is pretty fast. So it's an AP round that weighs as much as an American teenager. It's lighter successor, the CKEM, killed an ERA-equipped T-72 in a (doubtless scripted) 2007 test.
Obviously it can't have its full 5km+ range, but would a KE-type and -speed doom-ATGM be too inherently unbalanced, even on the god-awful humvee chassis?
>>124743957
It was an honest question, I never intended to start this bullshit.
>>124743107
that grey paint scheme makes me want to vomit
Guys please help
How do I into DCS 2.0
>>124744568
You're not at fault, the autists in this thread are
Use whichever platform you want, the differences are barely noticeable unless you're a sperg.
Just remember to not buy things from the DCS store if you want to use the steam version.
>tfw shreking forums hato-apologists playing ussr
>while playing "oh so underpowered" blue dragons
My DCS 2.0 says that it doesn't have any terrains installed.
Is the Georgian one not working and/or is the Nevada one available without paying?
What was with that 200MB update for Red Dragon?
>>124714875
I'd have said bongs but burger seems to be the main course.
>>124747205
Black Sea is not compatible yet, you need to purchase Nevada to use 2.0Maybe you should read things before blindly updating
>>124748087
I mean, it doesn't matter, I still have the old version. Plus, I was under the impression that the map would be free during open alpha and then would be not free once it got out of open alpha
>>124747302
New maps and a set of balance changes you can find up hear
>>124690514
>>124748589
>ED
>handing out content for free
>even if for a brief amount of time
I think you're forgetting who runs the DCS show, my man.
>tfw just finished a total destruction game that took 2 hours
I never want to play Wargame again
>>124749195
>micro hard for the first 30 minutes of a match
>25 APM for the rest feeling ridiculously burnt out
50mm HE headlevel air burst -> 1 HE
40mm HE ground level explosion -> 1.5 HE
Ok Eugen.
>>124744134
Range scaling is used in wargame to keep things manageable. 5km range IRL results in 2800m ingame (see the soviet Kokon series, and take note the 8km hellfire is also 2800m, putting the Kokon and LOSAT at the low end of the 2800m bracket). I really dont know enough to say whether 25 (TOW-2), 26 (Hellfire, HJ-9, Maverick B) or 28AP (Kh-23M, Kh-25ML, Kh-66, all fixed wing exclusives) would be appropriate, but I think 30AP, which requires an explosive warhead that outmasses the entire LOSAT missile by quite alot, would be too much.
Make it 75pt or 80 if the speed is really high, maybe go to 85 or 90 if you want to give it 28AP.
>>124750654
is balance ouis?
>>124750879
What missile has 30 AP, out of curiosity?
>Make it 75pt or 80 if the speed is really high, maybe go to 85 or 90 if you want to give it 28AP.
28 KE AP would probably be worth the extremely dubious HMMV chassis and the 4 missile ammo capacity, assuming decent accuracy. Assuming semi-genuine speeds, flight time is ~2 seconds at max range.
28 HE makes it impractically expensive. Paying +30 points for 3 AP and some flight time over the Tow-2 HMMV doesn't exactly give me a raging freedom boner.
>>124753320
The Kh-29 (both D and T), the AS30L, AJ 168 and later model Mavericks (E, F and G).
Why on earth would you give it a 4 missile capacity, even the Humvee with the TOW-2 has 8. Only IFVs and obsolete ATGMs with budget price tags and a literal jeep mounting tend to get 4 shots.
You need to look at the Shturm-S and WZ-550 for pricing, the 2625m-2800m range jump is very expensive for ATGMs.
I was also assuming a 70% accuracy and somehow failed to mention that, you could easily drive its cost down by reducing that, but that really doesn't seem all that authentic.
>>124740003
A+ and B are the same thing we are only getting two variants
>>124743107
>fulcrums in USAF service
how retarded are these people
>>124757750
>Mig21
>Fulcrum
Nigga what
It is my expert opinion that your favorite plane is a piece of shit because its most important feature is a meme and has no relevance in a modern combat scenario. I will now post pictures of embarrassing failures of your country's technology in an attempt to ridicule your position until you grow tired of arguing with me and leave.
>>124758954
>>124758029
Sorry, I meant Fitter
>muh undeadable abrahams
>>124759214
how the fuck does something like that even happen
>>124759573
The cluster bomb designers didn't even attempt to make an aerodynamic bomb since accuracy wasn't considered important. It gets carried very easily by air.
>>124759806
Damn, are those rockeyes btw?
>>124760026
I believe so yeah.
>>124760026
>>124760121
They look like CBU 87/97s
>>124760121
>that guy near the box that nearly gets decapitated
GG, Apache pilot.
>>124760297
I think it's pretty obvious that ground crews are just peasents, and since i am a pilot i am a superior human being, oh hello grou-
>>124760460
I am not saying that US antiships missiles are so slow that F-18 hornets can keep up with them quite easily.
>>124755550
Because he missiles are so huge you literally can't fit more than 4 of them on the back of a HMMV. Seriously.
The design proposed 4 + 6/8 (can't remember which) in a trailer. I guess it could have 10-12 missles on that basis, given that the one Scandinavia info squad has a 200+kg RR as their anti-tank weapon.
>>124760698
What an impressive impact I am sure that one container it hit really is very damaged.
>>124759379
>iraqi flag
We all know how Arabs fight, they can make anything look bad, Soviet/Russian or US.
>>124760460
Nice ejection there.
>>124759379
>No one in thread implying otherwise.
>Iraqi Army ever making anyone's equipment look good.
>Tank was probably abandoned long before being destroyed anyway.
>>124762520
Yeah, some pilots prefer ejecting before hitting the ground, some don't.
>>124759235
Really I thought it was a Fagot
>>124763060
No, that's you
Is there anybody here who has the patience to help someone who is new to wargame get gud?
>>124761592
Funniest thing is, he actually lived.
>>124763243
I'm willing to try to help you, Anon. But I'm on a business trip right now. Can you wait a day or two?
>>124764812
If I have to
>>124761093
Americans are civilized and understand that you don't need 10000kg of explosive to destroy a ship with no armor
>>124764997
>Americans are civilized
>>124765154
he said as he raped another german woman
>>124765245
You don't know me.
>>124765429
>not denying it
>>124764968
Hey I'm shit also. What's your steam? Let's be shit together
>>124766409
just say something in wargame chat
>>124767721
I'm not on but I guess I'll go get on.
>>124745348
>Muh modern asthetic
>>124767919
I can't stay up too late since I have to be up at 0530, but we can try again later this week.
>>124768169
>0530
Don't be an autist
>>124769241
You know the US is like the only place that uses a 12 hour clock, right? 12 hour clocks are stupid as shit.
>>124690514
So can someone explain this one to me?
- Danish Lynx removed from Mechanized, Armored and Support decks
What is the purpose of this? All I lost was the ability to have danish recon infantry in a chopper.
>>124769241
>>124770061
I'm in the military. As far as I'm concerned, a clock should have 24 hours.
>this programming cannot be undone
>>124769241
>Using a 12 hour clock like a retard
>>124771653
Same. I'm an American but there's no way I'm going back to 12 hour clocks. Whoever came up with that crap is stupid as shit.
Praetor you're a fucking retard.
>10v10
>the enemy manages to advance some units ahead by one treeline
>7 of my teammates quit one by one
>>124772290
>Playing team games in an RTS
>Playing team games in an RTS with pubbers
>Playing team games in an RTS with pubbers in a 'lol so many players XDDD' mode.
>Coming here to complain about your shit experiences after.
Hey, Wgg. What are the biggest factors that make Wargame so defensively favored? Are these ideas anywhere in the right neighborhood?
1. Smoke is sluggish and difficult to use. Artillery has too little effect against entrenched Infantry if it doesn't actually kill the entire squad.
1a. I think that this might be helped by adding status effects to inf, same as Vehicles. E.g. Sergeant Killed. Rocket Launcher Lost.
2. Indestructible terrain. See that bamboo shack? It's an invisibility cloak/bunker forever, even if burned to the ground. Forests are less guilty of this, but only marginally.
3. Absolutely insane Optics system. This, along with 2, is what makes tanks and helicopters relatively ineffective if not spammed. It's nearly impossible to fire back against ATGM or ADN (missile) even with grotesquely indiscriminate weapons like 100+mm rockets.
3a. This is particularly bad with forests edge/town ATGMs. Firing guided ATGMs directly at the front of a T-90/Abrams is an excellent way to get killed. The several seconds that your missile takes to reach your target is plent of time for a tank (with modern optics, who is directly facing you) to figure out roughly where you are and blast you.
What am I missing?
>>124774379
dumb balance and pricing that favours tactics where nearly none of your units are expendable, and those that are, are worthless performance wise.
Artillery that is so weak it can't be used offensively, but strong enough to destroy single units vital for offence.
No call in timers for planes so they are always a get out of jail free card if people advance 5cm beyond AA net.
Maps full of choke points.
And worst of all, a sighting system that gives you no ability to see if an area has been checked for units, and invisible people standing in fields because they have stealth emitters.
NAME A BETTER ANTI-HELO SAM THAN THE ADATS!
protip: You can't because you can't see any other anti-helo SAMs because all of your recon helos are dead.
>>124773496
>not playing multiplayer RTS games
>not realizing that there are never any 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4 lobbies open because ded game
>not bitching on 4chan
I'll give you the point about pubs.
>>124774379
>>124774640
shitters
>>124771227
to rid mixed mech decks of heli cv inf
>>124774379
Imo everything could be fixed if instead of the retarded camouflage system we had now the "stealth" of your units progressively degraded as long as they were within line of sight of an enemy unit.
Higher optics and numbers being present would cause "stealth" to degrade faster.
This means you wouldn't be able to get away with static defenses, sit in the enemy's LOS long enough and they'll fucking see you.
>>124774890
>everyone is a shitter but me.
>>124774379
4. Tanks mysteriously lack even the most basic of counter measures from WW2 like smoke launchers because 'waahh, micro'.
5. Defense doesn't really have to do anything once their shit is in place. It's very hands off.
6. Game limits the amount of units you can field, which automatically favors defense.
7.Recon units are dogshit and often miss shit that you should easily be able to see.
8.Everything about infantry is just incredibly slapped together and lazy. It's just utterly fucked from multiple angles.
9. SEAD is useless against anyone that isn't totally asleep at the wheel.
10.Artillery is ass compared to EE. Little means of making people move from entrenched positions unless you use very specific units from certain nations.
11.Slow game pacing lets any retard casually react to your maneuvers with panic-buys or planes.
>>124774998
mite b cool
It would need to work both ways, though; an OH-58 flying by at max speed shouldn't be able to spot a sniper team that's sitting still in the middle of a forest and not shooting.
>>124774697
>not realizing that there are never any 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4 lobbies open because ded game
Hence why I stopped playing. Eugene ruined any chance for Wargame being enjoyable with ALB and it's just been dieing a slow death to casualitis cancer since. Team matches are never balanced, and if you're not with friends, you can't even communicate effectively, making the point of a team entirely moot. There's just no purpose to team games in an RTS besidespeople wanting to hide how bad they are by blending in with a crowd and hopefully getting carried or at least having others to blame.
>>124774379
>1. I disagree. The dispersion is generally shit though, you can spot and mortar/blast a light vehicle only to have it be scared shitless without a scratch on it.
>1a That would hit me in the feels.
>2. True, but that would make everyone spam attack aircraft and artillery just to destroy entire cities so the enemy can't use them.
>3. >>124774998 has a good idea
>3a. This is why you spread out your ATGMs and call in ATGM helicopters and airplanes.
>>124775116
>4. having those would be nice
>5. Let them do it, that just means you can figure out where their stuff is and kill it
>6. I guess
>7. I disagree, if anything some of them are quite a bit OP (able to see tiny shit in forests from beyond ATGM/AA range)
>8. how so?
>9. Very true. I can't count the number of times I've had SEAD aircraft not shoot at something unless I can see the offending radar AA ahead of time with recon
>10. yup
>11. but I like the pace...
>>124774640
>>124775116
Thanks.
Speaking of micro. It's funny that even the micro hell that is MOW2AS has artillery (mortars, technically) auto-fire at visible enemies. Only the equivalent of MLRS (Howitzers) require manual fire.
>>124774998
>>124775234
Might be cool indeed. If only these things were easily moddible. It'd be cool to try these out.
>>124776296
But the point in 3a is that it's not really necessary to do either, defensively.
ATGM inf/vehicles in cover are literally invincible against non-position Fire until after they've gotten several volleys off. Let that sink in. They can't be killed because invisibility = invincibility against direct fire in WG. This is silly.
>>124776752
>ATGM inf/vehicles in cover are literally invincible against non-position Fire until after they've gotten several volleys off
Really? All of my shit becomes visible once it starts firing, especially if recon is anywhere nearby.
>>124777007
for me recon ATGM vehicles and ATGM infantry stay stealthed while ATGMs in the vehicle tab always get spotted
>>124776296
>>8. how so?
Not same anon.
But Infantry has no way in forests or fields to protect themselves from HE (Foxholes/hasties are a common thing for infantry to know how to do) They stay tightly clustered even in blocks of buildings, Ratjer then spreading out to be an effective unit.
Buildings hold a single inf group no matter how large, a single building can fit fourty people if they are all in a single unit.
INF is not smart enough to wait for AT to be effective before firing it (Most militaries train this so they don't need to be baby sat.)
Probably more stuff too, but really with the scale war game tries to portray units over all need to beable to make basic decisions, like, My weapon has a 2000km range, we have 6 shots for it, we can't pen the armor on that tank unless we are lucky, and our accuracy drops off at that range anyways, let's shoot all the shots!
You shouldn't need that level of micro on units when you are normally having multiple fronts and multiple units.
>>124777090
Huh. I'll have to experiment with that.
>>124777007
Try approaching a town with ATGM inf in it with low-high Optics vehicles at full speed. You will take multiple shots before the spotting system lets you shoot back.
As for vehicles, just try attacking a position with NOD Stealth Tanks. Uh. I mean Scout Bradleys.
Anyway. I'm going to sleep. I'll come back tomorrow after playing buffed CW and complain about the fact that it isn't USSR.
>>124777357
>As for vehicles, just try attacking a position with NOD Stealth Tanks. Uh. I mean Scout Bradleys
I kek'd
IRL Bradleys are not the least bit stealthy.
>>124777581
Neither are Chinese recon tanks, but stealth is an attribute that eugen decided all recon vehicles should have
>>124776346
MoW actually does handle quite a bit automatically if you let it. Sometimes not very well, but it at least tries. In fact, the higher in level of play you go, the more important it becomes to 'partition' your micro and not sit around trying to micromanage every little thing, but rather, find a balance between what to delegate to the AI, and what you should bother directly controlling. Sometimes it's actually fairly advantagous to select a group of infantry and spam F1 to chuck a mass of grenades, rather than direct controlling one guy to crawl up and throw a single cooked one. particularly when attempting a 'shock' type of attack.
Osa gets the emergency optical mode, but Roland2 doesn't get the optical normal mode.
Madmat told us 100 times Roland2 can't have it, because it's an emergency mode(which is bs) and other AA units like OSA have such an mode, too. Eugen keeps on braking their own rules: Roland2, PzF3, Eurofighter, Mi24V, APILAS, Patriot, PzH2000, S300
It made a unit never take (base OSA) an actual consideration now.
>"Eugen this is unacceptable!"
>>124732986
I'm amazed the US didn't turn its crash site into a crater with another bombing.
>>124777186
They do get a -40% damage in forest and -70% in buildings. Also close range AT weapons have about a 1.5x multiplier on their AP power over what the rockets could reasonably penetrate, compared with cannons or ATGMs. This is to simulate that the infantry really did hold fire until the AT was effective, they fired at a weak points instead of directly into the gladis plate, ect.
None of this is a great replacement for a proper infantry entrenching system and a more intelligent infantry AI, but its not as though Eugen hasn't at least considered the problem.
>>124777581
They are only as hard to spot in the open as a 125m long ship...
>>124687776
>you will never gun that mini-turret
Is this place dead yet?
