Beyond Earth is a shit Edition
>Endless Legend User Manual
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/289130/manuals/User'sManual.pdf?t=1413562467
>Endless Legend wikis
http://endless-legend.wikia.com/wiki/Endless_Legend_Wiki
http://endlesslegendwiki.com/Endless_Legend_Wiki
>Free Civ
https://play.freeciv.org
>/civ4xg/ Steam group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/civ4xg
>Civilization V CIVILOPEDIA Online:
http://www.dndjunkie.com/civilopedia/
>A couple other Civ resources:
http://www.civfanatics.com/
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Civilization_Games_Wiki
>Civilization V Analyst, with all the specifics of mechanics you'll ever need
http://well-of-souls.com/civ/index.html
>Civilization V Roulette
http://www.dropshock0.com/civ/
>Civilization V Drafter
http://georgeskleres.com/civ5/
>CivFanatics' Strategy and Tips forum, good guides and information.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=391 -
>Civ V Giant Multiplayer Robot, lets you play Civ V's hot seat mode like an e-mail game
http://www.multiplayerrobot.com
>Civ V Modding Wiki
http://modiki.civfanatics.com/index.php/Main_Page
>Civ V Mod databases
http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse?appid=8930 (requires legit version)
http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=393 (does not)
>SMAC & SMAX official short stories
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cn11q7nqa00te/Alpha_Centauri
>Age of wonders 3 wiki
http://age-of-wonders-3.wikia.com/wiki/Age_Of_Wonders_3_Wiki
>age of wonders 3 beginners guide
http://aow.triumph.net/beginners-strategy-guide/
>age of wonders 3 Data base (more useful than wiki)
http://aow3db.tumblr.com/index
>age of wonders 3 city tech tree
http://i.imgur.com/d8EqN4A.jpg
>age of wonders 3 dwelling tech tree
http://i.imgur.com/qd2u9ui.jpg
Don't forget to stave off the abyss with another game
What should Beyond Earth have been?
>>124185453
a good game
![1393437-outpost_1_cd_cover[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IYfAYuV.jpg "1393437-outpost_1_cd_cover[1].jpg")
ded af
>>124185453outpost 3
Well damn
>>124185453
Beyond Earth shouldn't have existed. People never wanted a "New Alpha Centauri". They wanted Alpha Centauri, with exactly the same mechanics, gameplay, and lore, just with modern graphics and UI.
>New hero designed primarily to function as a governor
>The only innate city-boosting capacity they get is for influence
>They get a grand total of two skills that boost cities
>One of them simply prevents negative food and income
What a waste of potential. Hopefully you'll at least make a decent enough commander.
>>124189007
>exactly the same gameplay and mechanics
>same lore
fuck no, the lore is great, but the mechanics are still basically civ 2, which isn't that great
rehashing the same story would have been trite too
what was really needed was the same level of writing for an original story, and to utilize the more interesting mechanics like fungus, unit customization, and random research, and bringing the gameplay up to a higher standard than civ 5
what we got was no writing, no interesting mechanics, and gameplay that is somehow worse than civ 5
they had some decent ideas, like miasma, satellites, outposts instead of city states and such, and different planet types, but none of it comes together to make a good game
DIE
>>124192612
NEVER
pls not again
>>124185453
>>124189007
>>124189745
it'll be okay after two expansions, r-right
>>124195443
>More people playing just Civ 5, even ignoring all other 4x, than Undertale
>Thread still dies unlike Undertale general, because 4x doesn't have waifus for animeposters to post wondering what their farts smell like
>Play game with Perfect World 3 and Barbarians Evolved for first time
![moo_screeens_picture_11[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/JhifIQF.jpg "moo_screeens_picture_11[1].png")
>>124195990
>4x doesn't have waifus
>>124195990
Thanks god for that tho.
>>124196129
You could've at least gone for Civ5 or EL women, anon. NewMOO is probably gonna be poop.*
*Basing this entirely off of watching one video of it
>>124196542
Not having the weebs is nice, but not having posters in general is a shame. Then again maybe being so dead is part of what makes /civ4xg/ so civil and decent. It's a fuckton better than roguelike general or grand strategy general.
>>124198634
We're just comfy. Also god damn i'm at level 11 in DotE, this might be my first Easy win.
ded
What's going on in your game, /civ4xg/?
>>124205131
Alexander is being a bitch
succumb
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6OCt6HQ.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>124195546
pfftbwahahaha
Is this thread dead? Anyone playing Aurora 4x willing to share some videos or tutorials? I want to be
>>124209582
I want to be the ultimate autist
>>124205131
I was the first to ideology, got freedom, forced world ideology: freedom on everyone (bartered for votes) while Brazil adopted Order a few turns out from the vote. Since Brazil was a chronic backstabber (he backstabbed 3 of 7 civs), everyone hated him and I went and conquered a couple of his cities and his capital with no negative diplomatic effects except from Indonesia who is a little concerned about my warmongering. Got a bunch of wonders out of Rio and then made a favorable peace deal. Currently razing a shitty city, but my happiness will be fine after that.
>>124196129
>>>>deviantart
>>124205131
I walked 2 hexes outside my capital, met Shaka Zoolube and Skidmarck, then reset
>>124212067
What's with the meme names senpai
>>124212180
I'm mentally challenged
>>124189215
>>One of them simply prevents negative food and income
That was a community vote.
>tfw Endless community is more brain-dead than even Civ
Don't die.
more like erectile dysfunction general amirite?
die
>>124219832
you are rite
RIP
maybe it's our destiny to die
we shouldn't fight it
>>124199313
>Also god damn i'm at level 11 in DotE, this might be my first Easy win.
"Remind yourself overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer."
>Playing Roving Clans.
>Going through the quest line.
>Need to take a region off the edgelord Forgotten.
>Can't just declare war and trample them with giant insect cavalry.
How do I take the region? Can I bribe them or something?
>>124227875
NEVER
>>124228049
Privateers maybe? Try to piss them off enough to declare war on you?
>>124214229
That can't be real.
>>124228239
Fuck forgot about privateers, I'll give that a go. Cheers.
>>124189215
Why do you have 3 points to assign, you scrub?
>>124228742
I don't think privateers can capture a city, I think they can only raze it. So if the objective is to capture a territory you have to build a settler to settle the location.
>>124209718
>>124207762
Me to. It looks fun but the learning curve is ridiculous
>>124229373
I haven't used them yet but you're probably right. I'll have a settler on standby to grab the region once it's liberated.
>>124227875
If we don't struggle against our inevitable doom until our last breath fails us, what point was there in even being here in the first place?
I have a chronic problem of assuming that people are constantly being ironic on 4chan, even when they're not. So my question is this: do people really dislike Beyond Earth for having mostly women and non-white leaders?
I don't generally see accusing Firaxis (or any game developer) of being SJWs as a legitimate criticism, but I do agree that the implementation of their social agenda was very sloppy. But the criticism I've seen is much more vitriolic than sloppy implementation alone would cause.
>>124235680
People don't dislike it for having brownies and ladies.
They dislike it because it's bland and not fun.
Well, that's the reason I dislike it anyhow.
>>124235680
What >>124235803 said. I thought people mostly disliked it cause it's not very good.
>>124235803
>>124236765
People mostly dislike it for being a bad game, but there were people in the thread who, when BE first came out, seemed very angry that they couldn't easily identify a white male to play as. I think it became more of an ironic criticism as time went on, but I can't help wondering if some people were truly as angry as they seemed. Maybe it was just a few people who were loudly shitposting.
>>124237069
Maybe you are just a triggered SJW faggot.
>>124237435
That's probably it, thanks for clearing that up.
>>124237069
It was probably just people finding some easily spammable thing to complain about and running away with it.
>>124239927
But the thing is that Firaxis' decisions about who the leaders are and their backstories are guaranteed to be political, even if they aren't centered around feminism, etc. Having a set of leaders that was half white males would have been an equally political decision. The difference is that the "SJW" ideology is a movement that is actively trying to change things, so you notice it more.
Is there any way to have an army of only a hero in endless legend?
>>124241672
If the hero is with a settler and the settler settles, the hero will be left by himself. I'm not sure if it's possible any other way, but some people use it to have 3 scouting units a the start
>>124241409
>actively trying to change things
>mudslims are still wrecking each other, just like in medieval times
They have their logic ass-backwards, culture is a byproduct of people's activity. You can't just shove females in some games and then people suddenly changing.
Propaganda is close to this, but it operates on the most basic instincts, so usage of it is limited.
>>124241672
Leave him with a unit and sell it afterwards.
or
In the academy there is an option for a hero to spawn as an army of him alone.
>>124242370
>Middle East was relatively stable and peaceful until Europe intentionally destabilized and destroyed the Ottoman Empire
>fucking mudslimes
Anyway, I disagree. Video games are a part of culture, so they are both a product of culture and a driver of culture (both for status quo and against). By including women and non-whites as leaders on equal footing with white males, Firaxis is trying to show that these groups are equal and that culture can and will change in unpredictable ways, perhaps including the dismantling of patriarchy. As a side point, if it doesn't change culture, why do you care?
Also, is Firaxis actively trying to change culture? Are there any interviews saying that (because I would actually like to read those)?
Free politically accurate page 1's anyone?
>>124235680
>I have a chronic problem of assuming that people are constantly being ironic on 4chan, even when they're not
I probably have that problem too because I always figured all the waifu posting and racism was ironic. And then it continued. For years. And years. Until only waifu loving nazis remained.
And I can't answer for everyone else, but I didn't give a shit about BE's leaders apart from the fact that they're all dull as hell. They may all be pansexual furry otherkin women but when they have less personality and character than goddamn Civ 5 talking heads then they've got a problem. Apparently the expansion helps with this with space-Twitter but I didn't buy the expansion since the base game sucked so hard.
>>124235680
Every civ including AC has been diverse. It was never a problem. The problem is the tone has shifted significantly from a celebration of global diversity to an anti-white-male agenda. Just look how the only white male in BE is a warmonger. Whereas in AC you had the white male be a scientist and a white female be a christfag.
Do you have your Vita ready /civ4x/?
>>124248394
This is a criticism I can agree with. SMAC definitely had a diverse cast which was pretty non-judgmental in terms of culture. From what BE lore I've seen, it definitely is more anti-establishment than pro-diversity. But maybe that's a natural outcropping of identity politics.Thank you for being civil.
>>124249052
lincoln is fuckin 2kawaii 4school
I'm guessing you can't get the achievements when you have mods on EL
>>124196129
Source?
>>124257572
>moo_screeens_picture_11[1].png
gee I wonder what this screenshot is from!
>>124257740
Unless the game is literally called "Moo" that's not helping.
>>124258062
>Not playing Moo
>>124257495
unless it changed with the steam workshop (i dont think it did) you can get achievements with mods on
>>124257572
moo? more like meow!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-FzmFH1QV8
>>124214229
How do you even get negative food and income? I've yet to come across a single instance in any of my games where that perk would be useful.
>>124259151
I think it's fine if there's like one skill that's meant for total noobs
>>124248394
SMAC was probably the most diverse not only in terms of race/gender but also ideology.
Also I thought of it as a joke that the religious faction bent on saving everyone's souls, by force if required, was led by a ginger.
>>124259151
winter basically, its a shitty version of winter immunity
>>124260087
Sieges too since they prevent exploitation of surrounding city tiles.
>>124258554
i finished a game with palette expansion, dynamic game speed and world gen mod and i didn't get anything.this was my first game, just trying things out
>>124260357
thats kinda strange then, they mentioned nothing of it, probably wouldn't care, and if it was your actual first game, you would have gotten the shitty 10 turns one
>>124205131
Decided to try Japan Continents, all alone on my small continent except forVeniceso it's no great leap of imagination to imagine what I did next. Had a shaky start with some gpt problems since I decided to go for Honor because too bad here bomb fuck you. Luckily for me Venice proceeded to spam the majority of Ancient - Medieval wonders, and had a whole two units to stop me with. It's kind of funny yet embarassing because I felt like an AI playing against a younger version of myself, before I learned how poor a strategy it was.
Now Poland wants my clay and I was worried until I realized I have the most delicious chokepoint to stop him dead in his tracks, although enough units might wear down my samurai to the point where it could become a problem.
Endless Legend is broken. No matter what I do, and I tried all the workarounds (making sure world creation folder isn't read only, giving program admin rights, etc), it continues to give me this error.
>NotImplementedException: The game creation process has failed.
>GameClientStateLaunchGame.GameService_CreateGameComplete (System.Object sender, >Amplitude.Unity.Game.CreateGameCompleteEventArgs e) >Amplitude.Unity.Game.GameManager.OnCreateGameComplete >(Amplitude.Unity.Game.CreateGameCompleteEventArgs e) >Amplitude.Unity.Game.GameManager.CreateGameAsync_CoroutineExceptionHandler (System.Object sender, >Amplitude.CoroutineExceptionEventArgs args) Amplitude.Coroutine+<EnumerableRun>c_Iterator99.MoveNext ()
Shame I had to refund the game. I heard it was quite good.
>>124263523
Did you post on their forums? They can usually help.
>>124263061
I mean seriously, look at this shit.
This is why early wonder spam is never a good idea.
>>124263523
I hope you tried verifying the game cache first.
>>124263523
post your specs
I remember a couple people posting about similar errors when the game came out and it turned out none of them even met the minimum requirements
>>124263574
>Did you post on their forums? They can usually help.
I contacted their support and they basically said "we don't know what's causing it. If the workarounds aren't working for you, then refund it."
So I did.
>>124263623
>I hope you tried verifying the game cache first.
Of course.
>>124263697
>post your specs
>none of them even met the minimum requirements
i5-2500k 4.5GHz
970 OC
>>124263756
That's a real pity cause it is a fun game. Well at least they were honest with you.
>>124185252
roll.
>>124264406
Rome, Fractal, Science... Fuck..
Is early cheese against the AI the only way to go on hard and above in EL? I'm almost always spawned a single region away from another faction, and I find that a quick war followed by a truce after grabbing a few of their cities ends with them giving over all their tech and resources. I know it feels cheesy, but this is the only strat I can pull off reliably regardless of whomever I'm playing.
So, when you play as Broken Lords, at start you split all your units to reveal more area, select place with best Dust(Dust+approval?) and settle there. Continue to search other regions for strategic + luxury while studying this tech, start stalwart in city and bring back your troops so their arrive for 3rd stalwart for Faction Quest at the same time put your Hero into City. Then when tech will be ready find good region and settle there, while adding population to your city. Am i right? Or how i supposed to play? I prefer Tall over Wide, but i feel like playing with Tall as Broken Lords is weak way.
>>124265389
On Endless difficulty I actually find it easier to play economically and peacefully for a while with 4-5 cities and then declare war, so early cheese is definitely not mandatory.
>>124265778
broken lord population cost goes up based on
1. how many workers are in the city you are building one in
2. how many workers are in your entire empire
they favor wide, because 1 raises the cost far more than 2 does BUT every single city you steal from others raises the cost of 2 for your empire
im not saying you cant play tall, but for them it is definitely worse
its like playing tall necrophage
>>124268687
>because 1 raises the cost far more than 2 does BUT every single city you steal from others raises the cost of 2 for your empire
I don't get this stuff at all.
I was trying out a game of Endless Legend when one of the Factions I befriended suddenly died, and when I went there to check what happened and get revenge, the region was neutral, as if there were never a faction there to begin with. Did it die to roving armies or something like that? Or can another faction attack and not conquer it?
>>124270193
I'm guessing if they pillaged or salted the city it wouldn't be there anymore
>>124270193
Cultists can only have one city, so if they conquered it the city was destroyed.
>>124270263
I don't know why, but I thought that stuff like salting would leave some graphical marks or at least altered FIDSI values. I wish they called for help, because I was just bullying drakkens when it happened.
>>124248394
I liked SMAC but it was never a celebration of global diversity.
Neither is BE.
Both are pretty racist against Asians. In SMAC/SMAX Asians are communists and cultists.
In BE and BERT, they're worker bees and villainous spies.
Both are pretty fucking insulting.
Civ 5 did it better.
>>124269623
the more people you have in a town
the more the cost goes up in the town
the more people you have in the empire
the more the cost goes up in the empire
town cost goes up faster than empire cost
I feel like making a 4x game with lewd lolis. That'll keep this general alive.
>>124271175
>>124270617
Asians are the minority people are allowed to openly shit on because they're successful!
>>124271175
Make a mod for EL with lewd necrophage and i'll keep this thread aliveendlessly
>>124270978
But you won't sit in your towns with 1 worker forever, so in the end it's gonna be the same. Isn't it?
>>124272541
no
buying your 20th empire total worker, in a city with 19 workers costs much more than buying your 20th empire total worker, in a city with 2 workers
Anyone want to do a multiplayer game of EL?
>>124273969
Saturday - Sunday i'm ready. But i'm average.
>>124257495
>EL
>mods
Pick one.
>>124273969
>play multiplayer
>other player has to go
waiting for the next session is suffering
>>124228483
It's real. And do you want to know the worst part of it?It was written a week after launch when the AI was LITERALLY braind-dead, it simply did not declare wars or build armies. So it wasn't even bitching about the improved AI.
>>124227875
Do not go quietly into the night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
pic related is shaping up like a cool 4X.
>>124235680
>do people really dislike Beyond Earth for having mostly women and non-white leaders?
The /pol/tards on /v/ dislike it for that. The people who actually played Alpha Centauri are pissed off because they are badly written. Compare any BE leader to any SMAC reader. And there have been no complaints about Santiago, Miriam or Deidre about their gender.Aki-Zeta whatever deserved all the hate she got.
>>124248394
>Just look how the only white male in BE is a warmonger.
He's also a Slavand as a SlavI agree with this accurate portrayal.
>>124260531
>>124260357
>>124258554
Mods disable achievements, it's been confirmed, working as intended and etc.
Gotta protect EL's viability as an e-sports title after all, can't just let people farm achievements :S
>>124196129
>>124258850
ES bird/bug/cat people look so much better than MoO - it's way too cheesy,
>>124278557
overdesigned desu
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>>124277968
>AI war/last federation dev
>>124278898
>not liking Last Federation
>>124278557
Weeabirds best race.
>>124278381
>Slav
>white
>>124189215
What do her other abilities do?
>>124277968
Fine, if no one cares about space 4X then how about some eldritch abominations?
https://youtu.be/AlF3BHbci_Y
>>124275645
That's why people made No Quiters mod for civ
>>124281751
Here you go, anon. Excuse the shitty quality.
While playing EL I really miss the Scout from Civ5.
What general strategy do you take to exploring the map without overly interrupting your infrastructure or home-defense?
>>124283747
Map View Pact.
>>124284010
oh that makes sense
I do ignore diplomatic stuff a bit too much
>>124282426
Looksfun.
>>124284197
It's joke, Map View Pact give you what other Side scouted and you give them what you scouted. I myself just split my starting forces and try to scout around going for temples, i do a circle with 1 or 2 region wide and try to come back as soon as my third military unit will be ready to proceed with Faction Quest. Then i just do second squad and go explore.
>>124260087
>>124260293
Except it's still worse in those regards compared to other options. Any hero can grab the winter immunity perk, and Vaulter heroes can ignore the siege penalty whilst still having skills and capacities that provide relevant FIDSI boost. The Sisters hero grants influence and approval and that's pretty much it.
>>124284663
>It's joke,
but if theres a drakken in the game couldn't you trade it with them & then get other civs out of that & then trade with them etc?
>>124284732
Yes you can, but it's can be done i guess only with AI, don't think that Drakken player will easily sell it.
>>124284010
ai doesn't seem to be very fond of it
>>124283747
Yeah, I'm having a hard time adjusting too. By turn 40, I still only have like 4 or 5 regions discovered and maybe two players.
Only have nine hours into the game, though.
>>124285005
That ai doesn't seem very fond of you tho.
>>124285573
yeah, reasons stated are common borders, and lower number of cities and overall score. They don't mind the trade and research agreements which give me 1k dust and 600 research from 14 routes with them
>>124285325
really depends on the world and terrain. As hero costs and upkeep really bites early game I suppose just splitting fast units everywhere is best.
Is the only way to get heroes is to buy them? When should I start buying them? And should I have a hero for every army or can I just have some regular ass armies?
>>124286256
it bothers me a tiny bit that buying them seems to be the only method.
hey here's this great civilizatino you're building and.. what? No, no heroes in it. Not in the entire thing. You can buy this guy, though, he's from a minor faction.
>>124287143
the tech to get heroes is a mercenary marketplace, I guess the idea is they come from both within and without, you can certainly get heroes of your own race and such
>>124237069
>not playing the nigger union for the free old earth relics
>>124287143
What's wrong with buying heroes? They aren't even that expensive.
What's ludicrous is the incorrigible kikery that is the luxury market. They'll give you pocket change for fucking Titan bones, and charge you an arm and a leg for something shitty like wine.
>>124289673
>>124290331
nothing wrong with buying them, it just seems weird thematically
>from both within and without
makes it seem better
but it'd seem more thematically appropriate if you got some kind of hero-generation as a part of a military and approval tech.
it's just odd that they're "down in the market with the mercenaries."
>>124289673
>you can certainly get heroes of your own race and such
Sure, but unless I'm mistaken, there's no incentive/driving force to do so. It seems like heroes are supposed to stylistically be the face and personality in your empire, so it's kind of jarring that more often than not, you end up with your starting hero plus a bunch of random schlubs from other races. Having limited hero access outside of your race would have given the races more unique flare, and it would have made out-of-race heroes more special in a campaign instead of all heroes basically being specialized mercenaries.
>>124292102
Cultists have to get Cultist heroes for their main story quest as well as only Cultist heroes can convert.
I just played civ V and what the fuck is wrong with this game.
-warmonging is now shit
-cottages don't level up, how are "tall" cities even supposed to work
-no more slavery
-units don't consume food when built, can't spec cities into food
-no spies
-no religions
-the irrigation system has been replaced with bullshit
-roads are now useless and expensive
-no options to not build railroads after discovering them
-all non-city states neighbours are cunts
-no more animations when you build wonders
-custom music for each civ but it all sounds bad
-units randomly stop working
-this is made even worse by the fact that you can't pass your turn if not every single things in your huge ass empire has been taken care of
-shit buildings from antiquity aren't made obsolete
-can't access the world-builder
All of this was working perfectly in Civ 4, did they just take away all those extra options and finely tuned gameplay just to sell it back in FUCING DLCs again these goddamn shits i hate them
I HATE THEM
>>124293290
>-no spies
>-no religions
uuuuuuuuhhhh
you're not playing civ without expansions, are you, anon?
you're not a retard, are you, anon?
>>124293749
>All of this was working perfectly in Civ 4, did they just take away all those extra options and finely tuned gameplay just to sell it back in FUCING DLCs
>>124291252
>nothing wrong with buying them, it just seems weird thematically
The possibility of earning heroes through faction quests/random events was sacrificed to the altar of e-sports: now everyone has to buy them from the market.
>>124293290
>-no more slavery
You can capture foreign workers. Or do you need "slavery" as in some stat boost with a text?
>-units don't consume food when built, can't spec cities into food
Are you literally retarded?
>-roads are now useless and expensive
You wot?
>-units randomly stop working
Explain further.
>-this is made even worse by the fact that you can't pass your turn if not every single things in your huge ass empire has been taken care of
This is a good thing, because managing a huge ass empire, knowing the unit selection randomly skips some cities/units, thus forcing to check them manually with the help of the shitty interface with endless scrolling everywhere, is hella more annoying.
>All of this was working perfectly in Civ 4
Religion wasn't perfectly working in civ4.
>>124293862
Spies weren't present in the base civ4 either.
>>124293290
>-warmonging is now shit
Tactically? Diplomatically? In the base game (even with DLCs), the AI can't move and shoot with ranged units. There are mods that fix that, but seriously Firaxis?
>-cottages don't level up, how are "tall" cities even supposed to work
Tall cities work by stacking % bonuses
>-no more slaverySlavery is evil, anon!
I agree that civics were a better mechanic than social policies.
>-units don't consume food when built, can't spec cities into food
Kek
>-no spies
DLC: Brave New World (wasn't in base game civ 4 anyway, but eh)
>-no religions
DLC: Gods & Kings
>-the irrigation system has been replaced with bullshit
This made me laugh. Yup, there is no irrigation system across tiles anymore, just deal with it. Cities without a lot of fresh water tiles can't grow for shit until Fertilizer (though I think this has some merit to it).
>-roads are now useless and expensive
Well, not useless, but you can't spam them. You can only justify building them to connect cities for gold (once your capital and the destination cities reach certain sizes).
>-no options to not build railroads after discovering them
There actually is, but the "build road to" command defaults to highest tech. Maybe you can't build normal roads in base game, I don't remember.
>-all non-city states neighbours are cunts
Kek
>-no more animations when you build wonders
This really did give some nice atmosphere to building wonders and made them feel like more than just bonuses to things.
>-custom music for each civ but it all sounds bad
Pure opinion
>-units randomly stop working
This is the absolute most annoying problem with Firaxis' implementation of 1UPT. If a unit is set to go somewhere but something else ends its turn in that tile, you have to give your unit new orders. It would be much better if your unit continued trying to get its destination and would only "stop" when it was right next to its destination tile.
>>124293290
>warmonging is now shit
funny considering that base civ 5 is basically a pure wargame
>>124283159
Wow that's awful. Even worse than the other Minor Faction Hero.
>>124290331
I think they value different luxuries based on their current needs, like dust and food
of course it doesn't really matter because (unless this changed) they'll all pay an arm and a leg for even the smallest amounts of emeralds because I guess they value the defensive bonus over all else
EL faction tier from worst to best in multiplayer, plz.
>>124297703
Dragons and vaulters are the best, everyone else sucks a big cock.
I get that you are supposed to wait until the end of the game when you have crazy amounts of tourism before you should consider expending Great Musicians with Concert Tours, but by the end of the game the strongest opposing nations with the most culture never allow open borders. Am I doing something wrong or is cultural victory kind of broken on higher difficulties?
Is this too wide for roving clans?
Also, I literally don't know what I'm doing, I'm at era 2.
>>124299498
>EL
>too wide
Are there any EL factions that are outright shit? I keep starting the game over because I'm learning new stuff, but I don't want to be Wind Walkers every time. But I also don't want to choose a faction that's so shit that no one uses them.
>>124299367
I'd say it's broken on higher difficulties. You're basically forced to go to war with the culturally powerful civs and just subjugate them. I think there's a mod which in part allows great musicians to enter rival territory without open borders, but I'm not sure which one.
>>124299794
Not really.
>>124299498
>Turn 103
>Still no roads
I sincerely hope you're playing endless speed anon.
As Clans try to snipe the legendary deeds that give 50% trade route bonus and 100% dust on happy city. Also try to complete your faction quest, the final unique tech you get is fucking fantastic.
Who are Dark Green? If you can befriend them then settle either Balther or Is'ryn to connect your empires together. If you need to, trade them the imperial highways tech in exchange for something else you need, just to make sure they build roads.
>>124300035
Alright. One more newfag question, what's the differences in "geometry" settings? I can't notice it and Google isn't helping much. Is it supposed to be like a graphic setting for weak computers or a preference thing?
>>124299687
>>124300082
It's endless, yeah.
Should I even build an army at this point, or go to win purely economic?
I put all of my population into dust, should I spread them out more?
>>124185252
roll
>>124300773
Build up some garrisons as a deterrent, other empires will notice you growing too big and try to take you out if they think they can.
If you want to you can circumvent your inability to declare war on people with privateers. If you go this route make sure to research stockpile tech, it'll make the stockpiles your privateers get you from razing cities more powerful.
I usually make one industry city, maybe one or two science ones and the rest dust. I get my industrial city to produce either troops or food stockpiles that I can use to grow all my cities taller quicker.
If an empire refuses to be peaceful with you grab some clans heroes from the market and place them as governors. Their high-level skill will allow their cities to trade with asshole empires.
>>124299367
>>124299887
Here it is, it's part of Acken's Minimalistic Balance Mod http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=550671
It's got a hefty list of changes, though, so you can't really use it just for the one thing.
>>124300256
if i'm not mistaken its just a preference settings, if you prefer a game looking more like a tabletop game with nicely shaped hexes or something more realistic and chaotic.
>>124301459
How do I get cities fervent faster if I don't have enough for boosters?
I'm not used to playing like this, so far I've only played as cultists
Why is the EL menu screen so laggy? The game renders at a reasonable FPS, but the fucking main menu...
>>124271175
I think it would be a good idea to have a civ game with customizable 3D leaderheads. You could customize their personality and have them interact with other leaders in a Sims-like fashion.
You could even get rid of player input in diplomacy entirely, and have your nation at war with half the world because your ruler flipped a desk at a summit, or suddenly become a vassal of France because your queen couldn't keep her legs shut.
>>124185184
>play Grigori
>start next to empty castle
FUCK YES
All that free XP from sideuqest
>go full military mode
>rush for writing
>DOW close neighbors just to force them to gib tech
>also plunder their villages for gold
>no economy to actually sustain conquests
>Belseraph rushes for Drama
>gets free artist
>meanwhile I'm popping great people like the Grigori should
>even built a festival and a museum just to create great artists
>RNG fucks me over because of that goddamn scientist I settled
>still no Masquerade
>I'm running 60% taxes because overexpansion
Goddamn.
>>124310554
>be right hand of emperor
>emperor is a slut/ragaholic/douchebag/goodietwoshoe
>have to deal with their diploshit while managing the civilization without their help
How to fucking play Vaulters?
>>124270617
Not only was Yang a baller, but to me it seemed like his portrait was inspired by Singapore's Lee Kwan Yew.
thank god we're on page 9
>>124313774
>>124282426
Damn, anon, that looks really cool.And awesomely close to an idea I had and will never carry out.
Civ V is chapping my ass right now.
I'm using REDs mod pack for cultural diversity, and RED extreme which gives you many more (and smaller) units per tile, which are both purely visual. I'm also using a mod to stop tech @ Renaissance Era.
I just want to take over the world with Samurai, but I never start near iron. I've restarted and teched to discover iron probably 20 or so times and it's always near every Civ but me. Why does this game hate me?
>>124319871
doesn't strategic balance guarantee an iron?
>>124305302
buy more boosters
theres like 5 ways, but thats considerably the fastest
a hero with approval booster
expansion approval tech
approval buildings tech
borough placement
luxuries
just buy some wine if you need it up for a new city or something
>>124310230
>menu screen laggy
i dont know exactly, but i think after shadows and the latest content, its even fucking laggier, especially on the main screen
i like the game, i really do, but it either needs better quality options, or a choice to have a 2d menu
you dont need fucking roving clans in a non Dust dust storm in the background while setting up a game
>>124319871
Use strategic balance, it's under the map options.
>>124287143
>>124289673
>>124290331
>>124291252
most heroes have their own backstory that involves
a. being infected with dust, and thus needing it to survive, so they become mercs
b. some sort of betrayal that forces them to become mercs.
c. death of their home, which forces blah blah
d. they're greedy assholes
e. they're out to get revenge on XXXX and their faction isn't at war
most of them have A with something else, but its nice they expanded a bit from endless space heroes, which were virtually (lol) all dust infected
>>124320521
>>124321529
Yeah, it just seems a bit boring. I've been searching around a bit hoping that there's some indication of where iron will spawn before it does, but it really is random.
>>124319871
Japan doesn't get iron, that's why their blades are folded over 1000 times.
Is it just me or is the espionage in EL a bit shit? When you're playing as Forgotten why would you ever want to use any other action apart from steal tech? And if you're playing as other factions won't military leaders and governorns provide much more tangible benefits compared to spies? And the Forgotten's reliance on dust to get tech feels about as much fun as playing with dustless Harmony in ES.
>>124319871
just use the editor and put iron near your start?
>>124262769
>an AI playing against a younger version of myself
oh the good ol' days of wonder spammimg
>>124321934
I'd always ignored hero's backstories until i saw a Drakken named "Researcher" (he did not have a science boost). are there any heroes, exclusive or not, that are substantially better than others that I should be looking for?
In civ5, how do I manually cancel a trade route?
All the online wiki's I read tell me it can be done, but I've never been able to figure out how.
>>124185252
roll
>>124324451
>songhai, fractal, science.
well fuck me
>>124185252
roll
How are the Quest and wonder victories different in EL?
How does the quest victory even trigger or start?
>>124325491
Quest victory involves completing every quest in the faction questline
Wonder victory involves building a wonder which is unlocked by getting close to the end of the faction questline.
>>124323770
just glance at their passives and you'll get a feel for it
the two passives they get all can be replaced with gear, but if they have two for army/city to start with, they're already a little bit better
and the skills are race/class specific, so you just need to look at the combos while playing, and get a feel for them
for example, say you want industry
necros, roving clan, cultists and wild walkers are the only RACES that deal with industry
which only gives you options of infantry and ranged govenors for industry
both of which is piss, but they both get an accessory slot, so unit type is not important
since wild walkers have the best race/class combo for industry, then you just look at their heroes
Wayra Sigo has industry boost 3 AND food boost 2, so far and wide, he is the best hero if you want industry
but there are other good choices, just not as good
but all the boosts can be replaced with gear, so any elf hero can be "good" at industry, just not as good at him
tl:dr, look at race/class combos to see what is best for what you want, then just pick one of that factions heroes
What do I do now?
>>124323864
Pretty sure you can't
>>124327474
You did it son. Now just turtle and make sure the other empires don't get too close to a victory.
Also which victory type do you actually want?
>>124328781
I don't know.
I wanted economic, since I'm playing roving clans, but no idea how to trigger it.
At this point I can pretty much do any victory, I have twice the score of the highest AI.
>>124329038
just keep making more money then, economic tracks by total dust, not how much you have. so spend it on retarded shit while you up your trade and dust production
Having so much fun playing as pink cultists here. They're like how Venice always should have been.
One question, as cultists is it the right first move to put the starting hero into the city as governor? The influence boost has been pretty much essential for all my games. Unless there's something I'm missing
>>124323331
The only espionage option I've used was "steal vision" but I could see how lowering enemy morale or sabotaging city defenses might be useful.
>>124329985
unless he can reach a ruin turn 1, you should keep him in the city in the beginning
the only replacements for him really is very late game necrophage, or the cultist hero with influence3
>>124331387
cheers m8
is this region as science tasty as it looks
because hot damn do I want to settle this but I'm cultists
generation seed 704117353
pretty sure the region is the south east corner
>>124331797
Just a heads up. The seed alone isn't enough to recreate an exact map, all the world generation settings need to also match and even then, the anomalies and resource nodes are randomized each time you launch a new game on that map.
>>124329038
Depending on the size of the map you'll need to gather 777700 / 1166550 / 1,555,400 / 2,177,560 / 2,799,720 Dust for an economic victory.
Happy shekelmongering.
>>124332427
>and even then, the anomalies and resource nodes are randomized each time you launch a new game on that map.
shit, what's the point, then?
you just get the land mass? boring.
>>124332427
that's so shit. There's barely any point to sharing world seeds then
New to EL, how easy are the forgotten to get into playing? They look pretty complex
>>124185252
Please don't give me fucking Greece like you always do
>>124335376
Awesome
I like the little ink-smoke aesthetic, but paying for all the techs is shit
>>124334837
if you're brand new, play vaulters or wildwalkers first
they're not "hard" so much as, you're going to be learning things that no one else uses, and not learning things every one else uses
>>124335892
Pay for the techs that are only available to your faction, and ones that boost dust production if you really need it.
Steal everything else. If required, buy out techs to fill gaps.
>>124323864
just wait it out
>>124185252
Rolling.
>>124340063
Indonesia on whatever I want, boring. Reroll.
ded thred
>>124344246
Could be worse
It's finally over.
>>124346548
not on my watch
>>124347212
also
>broken lords have farmland tiles
but why?
>>124323331
Lower fortification to zero. Siege city. Next turn all enemy units will be at half health. Otherwise lower morale, which depending on level is a 15-45% penalty to attack and defense (maybe up to 60? I don't remember)
Steal vision to find out where the capital is and take it, for a potentially instant victory (if you have all other capitals, or you take more than one in quick succession)
Depends on the stage of the game, but you end up having more than enough dust to get both governers and spies. If you have to choose then spies are fine as long as you have a plan to actually make use of them.
>>124347437
Maybe they sell food to other nations/ use it for minor factions. It could be farms for plant material like hemp as well.
It's probably just an oversight though.
>>124348119
I could buy the selling food theory if they got something out of food tiles. Like a quarter unit of dust per unit of food or something, but no.
>>124185252
Last time was fun
>>124349397
Rerolling for civ and possibly victory
>>124349508
>Booty-chan
No thanks
>>124329985
>>124331387
I like to run him around to get a level or two, then drop him into the city. Cultist heroes make for some of the best governors in the game so you definitely want him in there soon though.
What is the worst thing that happened in your most recent 4x game?
>>124352849
partner not being able to play
>>124352849
multiplayer game with friends, I didn't know who to play so they said Rome. I didn't initially want to pick Rome because of you know why but they convinced me.
Surrounded by jungle, only piece of iron is 12 spaces from my capital, on the other side of a mountain range, right next to Shaka.
I tried to power through it for them but once the Impis came I just couldn't keep playing.
>>124352849
thought i could get away without a military for too long
>>124352849
Started on a 2 region island with next to no science as necrophage
How does Vaulter holy resource work?
>>124359198
you consume strategic resource, just like a luxury, then it gives you a % boost to one or more FIDSI resources
each unit that uses gear of that resource gets extra stats for it, but accessories dont get the bonus (i believe) since they give a skill, not a numerical stat
at the end of the "luxury" you lose the fidsi bonus, but keep the stat bonus to your units, untill you use another holy resource
the winter part is pretty self explanatory
>>124359198
you can (and should) use strategic resources for boosters just like luxuries. Whichever booster you used last is deemed your holy resource and many of the vaulter exclusive buildings require it to be built, and your units get a 50% bonus to whatever stats their equipment give if it's made from the same resource.
>All my worlds are covered in jungle and forest
>Hills everywhere
>Takes fucking ages to wage war, units literally become obsolete by the time they arrive to cities to attack
This world gen has to be trying to trigger me at this point.
I wish the main quests wouldn't tell you to conquer specific cities. I'm already not too keen on being told by the game to warmonger, but being told specifically who and where to attack is ridiculous.
>>124362415
wild walkers quest is the only one that doesn't require a conquer i believe
personally, i wish there were more hero variety in each species
since theres no horse dudes, and literally 1 flyer useable 1 week a year
whats to say necrophage dont get infantry and calvary hero options
>>124362415
you only really need to care if you're going for a quest victory anyway
>>124360957
>new game with movement penalties galore
>set warrior to explore for 20 turns
>he only walks 19 hexes
thred is die
ayy
>Denmark and Otto forward settles me
>Pump up army
>Declare ware
>Take the cities
>Raze
>Time goes
>Peace treaty
>They give me more of their cities
>Raze them too
>connected territories
>have a road connecting at least one of his cities
>at peace
>have commercial agreement
>not one single trade route established
what the FCUK does it take?
>>124376108they need roads too
>>124376108
Are you sure the other one built Ways of Trade or whatever its called in their cities?
>>124376394
I know he didn't and I didn't know that was a requirement.
>>124376436
It is. You can just trade with yourself tho.Except if you're playing based Cultists
>>124376507
Oh so I need to build one of those road buildings in each city to get a trade route? I thought it was enough to have just one connection. Is it okay if cities the route passes through is only connected by other cities? Or must all cities along the route have a road or dock?
>>124377874
>this be the island of Yiffe
