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Dominions is a fantasy turn-based strategy game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.
The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.
It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.
Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a strategy game.
>Steamgroup
Join the steamgroup for multiplayer
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya
>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795
>Our work-in-progress wiki
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki
>Dom4 Manual
http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf
>Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/
>Play by email guide:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551
>Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/JMmSrpdE
>Debug Mod:
For testing battle formations and spells
http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/debug-mod
>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam. Desura is ded.
Conquest of Elysium 4:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/t3dkv8r7wucae1f/coe4_4.0_money_fastbattle_2res.7z
>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the pastebin
>Read the memes
>I want to play X
Heavy infantry nations with simple magic for noobs: MA Ulm, Abysia, LA Man
Human nations with a lot of diversity: T'ien Ch'i (any age), Arcoscephale (EA and LA), EA Ermor
Giant nations with a major bless: Niefelheim, Fomoria, Ashdod
Necromancy: C'tis, Sceleria, MA Ermor, Asphodel, Lemuria, Nazca
Sneaky Nations: Vanheim, TNN, Eriu, MA Man, Xibalba, Caelum
Edgy Nations: Lanka, Sauromatia, MA Ermor, Asphodel, Hinnom
Submit completed games here:
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>>124012543
Please, let us explain
How do I play Pangaea?
>>124012829
That is a fine pretender, friend. Damn fine. Too bad it's Dom 5 imprisoned.
>>124014039
EA/MA - Lots of sacred centaur with army wide buffs, raid with stealthy stuff. Maenad chaff is okay with buffs and otherwise just used as siege weapons. Get into blood for bloodstones, since earth magic is great.
LA - fuck if I know
Is Elevator dead again?
Oops, wrong thread.
>>124014209
>Guys its doing the thing again.
>
>I think I might be cursed.
Ah well. let's try another day maybe.
>>124014286
We should restart again then.
What kind of connection do you have anyway? It seems only you get those types of glitches.
>>124014665
Just a regular DLS connection.
>>124014626
When?Don't forget to save.
>>124014803
yeah I'm saving but I feel like this is just going to happen again. tonight
Tomorrow ? I'm there every day anyway
>>124014972
Okay then, I'll be here tomorrow.
It wasn't that bad though. Elevator only glitched twice, and restarts don't take as long.
VoE Horsemen/Breaking-The-Seals
Do they all show up at 7th seal or what? I'm seeing "Plague has come to Elysium", but I aint seeing them.
They just dying/fighting elsewhere? Or is it just "They wont be unleashed until the 7th"
>>124015158
Nah they show up alright, just at a random location.And they ain't friendly, so if they spawn near you you're fucked.
>>124015107it's mostly because I'm sick as fuck and need to rest, sorry
>>124015632
I'm cool, it's past 1am anyway. Get some rest, feel better tomorrow.
>>124015632
So the horseman of the plague visited your house.
Here's Marignon units for the mod.I'm going to do Ulm's and then I'll release it.
Stalewarriors Mictlan, are you here? I would like to remind you that the less you can do is set yourself as AI so you don't waste our time chainstaling (and we will have to turn you into an AI eventually anyway).
>>124021920
I think we might have upset him by sending in 79 turn resend requests the last time he took his turn.keep doing it
>>124020674
Are you giving them the stats of whatever weapon they're using? Also are you giving those flambeau weilders holy pyre? Cause an aoe3 attack on a recruitable unit is cray cray
>>124013702
"Oh don't worry I intend to backstab them later"
That's skeleton-fucker talk, you may as well start zombifying your populace now.
>>124020674
Looks like a really cool mod so far.
You said you were going to have a spell which adds a site for these units. Do you know if it's possible to make a site which will disappear eventually? Preferably after a specific number of turns, but a % chance per turn would be better than nothing.
>>124025237
>Also are you giving those flambeau weilders holy pyre? Cause an aoe3 attack on a recruitable unit is cray cray
I don't think units can cast spells, so it shouldn't matter.
>>124025237
>>124026076
but units can cast spells, just look at the communicants of MA pythium
>>124026260
>communicants
What spell do they cast?
>>124026331
communion slave. which means units can be scripted to cast a spell at beginning of turn
>>124025237
>>124026076
They can't cast the spells, although they do still hit very hard against undead and demons. They're similar to the Eternal Knights in that aspect.
>>124026260
Don't they just have the Communion Slave status active by default?
>>124021920
just have the admin set him ai once its twice in a row.
>>124026331
>>124026405
>>124026535
sorry I misread the description of the unit "The Communicants automatically cast the Communion Slave spell BEFORE combat, ready to lend their strength to the senior Theurgs."
dis regard my post
>>124026535
>Don't they just have the Communion Slave status active by default?
Yes, that seems to be the case. It shows up on the recruitment and out-of-battle screens, so it seems to work the same way as Slave Matrix.
>>124026405
>>124026679
No worries, though you might be right about units being able to cast spells.
I'm not sure if either of these commands work for units, but #autospell and #startbattlespell might let a unit 'cast' spells.
The Holy Pyre spell that Flambeau gives doesn't use either method, though.
>there are people who are reading this post RIGHT NOW who haven't taken their turns
You can get them to use their item spell with GoR, but it's not efficient.
>>124027174
Autospell only works with commanders sadly.
>>124026535
>They can't cast the spells, although they do still hit very hard against undead and demons. They're similar to the Eternal Knights in that aspect.
I'd honestly be a little worried about how strong that is against against undead elites and demons, but that's only really relevant against tartarians, bane lord thugs, and blood summons and those are already cheap/strong enough that a counter existing won't be a problem
>>124027550
Well that's a pity.
>>124027738
And tribless lictors.
>>124027416
I sincerely hope I don't get turns soon. I may have royally fucked my PC.
>>124022381
This kind of shit is childish and at likely makes people even less likely to get out of a slump and keep playing. FFS, it's already been an issue in this game.
>>124020674
>no holy scourge
dropped.
>>124028354
That's what Abysian Magma Warriors have.
>>124028636
WHY did you give abysians such shitty weapons. Give them double blood-axes or something cool.
>>124028792
LA Abysia gets Flesh Eater Axe infantry. EA Abysia gets Carmine Cleavers.
MA Abysia does have Demonbred with Demon Whips though, which are kinda like fire brands.
>>124028959
demon whips are like shit firebrands :(
>>124029031
>demon whips are shit brand knockoff
while true it's still costing ZERO slave and ZERO gems while you get to have a unit with an AoE attack for merely more resources/gold
>>124029031
Shit firebrands is still pretty damn good for recruitable troops.
>>124028959
>>124029031
I was also planning on giving Ashdod Gehenna Anakites that come with firebrands, but they'd be monstrously expensive at 150 resources a pop.
>>124029994
who's gonna get the sword of swiftnes? free quickness for all
>>124030215
Sword of Swiftness isn't quickness, it just attacks multiple times a turn. I was planning on giving that to the Atlantian Mother Guard while the Caelians get the Frost Brand
>>124030803
>making Caelians even stronger
Pls no
>>124030997
Cold Resist is much, much more common than fire resist.
So I realize that I've stalled twice in a row.
The first one was because I didn't get back from Thanksgiving as quickly as I'd thought.
The second was because I just forgot to send it the turn. The reason for that is I've been pretty much mentally exhausted dealing with my grandfather's declining health.
I've got the time, but not mental energy to keep up with a game this big and involved.
I'm sorry, but realistically I don't think I'll be able to keep playing this game.
I'm in a pretty solid position, so I'd prefer if I could find a sub rather than setting myself AI, but long term I have to leave the game.
>>124031204
While true aoe attacks on mm3 fliers is still super strong. Raiding with them would be easy as hell
>>124031842
That's why I only gave them to Iceclad. They're going to have a hell of a time fighting in hot weather against even PD since they're size 3.
>>124031842
>Raiding with them would be easy as hell
Raiding with Caelum is already easy as hell.
>>124032125
Not everyone takes heat scales, and there's always winter and Wolven Winter.
At least putting them on iceclad will keep their mobility and numbers down.I hope you're not making all these units have massive resource costs, some people like sloth and/or have a bad capital position.
>>124032125
Have you figured out how to make the spell that creates the site yet? I thought you could only make new spells that are variable changes of old spells, and I'm not aware of any existing spell that creates a magic site.
>>124032864
>some people like sloth
u wot m8? You pick the negative scales, you don't get the fancy shit reasonably quickly.
>>124033178
Event modding lets you do that and more, and you can make spells trigger events.
>>124032864
>some people like sloth and/or have a bad capital position
I actually made this mod since sloth is such a popular dump stat. Bad capital starts can be prevented by having the admin choose a good map with good fixed starts positions.
>>124033436
Picking production just for cap-only units would be crazy, and some nations have few/no other units which need production.
Making the special cap-only units for EA Panagea cost tons of resources won't make people take production, it'll just make the units unusable.
If you're worried about people recruiting too many give them limited recruitment or make them sacred but please don't make every single one cost like 50 resources, especially for nations which don't use much heavy armor.
>>124033819
I don't mind the better troops using high resources, but it would really suck to have zero units from the mod which are usable without lots of production.
>>124031627
Are you going to be on Steam in around an hour or do you have an e-mail address you can share? I might be interested in subbing for you.
>>124034168
Yeah, not all the units would have substantial resource increase if they already wear little armor. Demonbred Infernals are armed with whips and don't wear heavy armor but they do cost considerably more gold than the regular ones.
>>124034597
>a game actually finding a sub
>games actually starting without having to wait weeks
What's happening to my /domg/?
>>124035219
Abysian troops that cost a dickload of gold. Kek.
>>124034597
sure I'll be on.
but I'm not the admin, and I'm still trying to figure out how to disconnect it from my main email account.
>>124036119
You just have to get the admin to change the email.
>>124037306
yeah, figured. But then me, and not the admin, being on steam isn't going to do much good.
>>124037484
Maybe the guy interested in subbing wants to talk about positions with you.
Dear Jews: New graphs please.
>>124013149
How is this different from vanilla?
>>124039928
jokes on you he doesn't have them anymore.
>>124040076
are you colorblind or dumb?
there are previews in the link, under the preview link.
>>123984426
Who made Tien Chi get smaller?
>>124041728
Lost a few provinces I took with raiding parties to Mictlan's Jagstacks. Those are mostly dead now, though.
>>124042625
Well done. Show the world the dangerous combo of demons and kung-fu
>>124043265
At this very moment, monkeys (and demon monkeys) are being taught kung-fu in top secret dojos in preparation for the World War.
>>124043937
>implying the world war won't be a dogpile on you
>>124044814
>implying it won't be a dogpile on Xibalba
Chinks are strong, but bats are stronger and utterdark hurts them slightly less.
>>124045315
>Full blood nation
>Everything has dark vision
Yeah, Xibalba really doesn't mind utterdark.
>>124045315
>>124046102
Chinamen are fully transitioned to a gem economy. Their armies are summoned sacred demons, just like Xibalba. What's more, Mictlan is now fucked over (take a look at the army graph posted last thread) which means that the chinamen are about to get 50+ new provinces worth of gem income. IF it's decently site-searched, that's about a half dozen gemgens worth, and easily enough to win the game.
>>124046569
They're not even comparable, dude. The amount of blood that you can pull from provinces is nearly an order of magnitude higher than gem income.
>>124046797
The amount of blood that Xibalba's stuff costs is also more expensive. I'm not saying Xibalba isn't dangerous, but if we just dogpile him then all that will do is give the game to the chinks.
>>124046912
Ozelotls are 3/13 slaves. Demons of Heavenly Rivers are 3/12 gems. Ozelotls are even cheaper once you get to the higher tier summoning spells.
>>124047287
>protection 20
>Strength 20
>all other stats good enough that the differences don't really matter much
Gee, I wonder why.
>>124047523
and ozelotls have three attacks. They're very comparable units.
>not worrying about Agartha
Utterdark doesn't hurt caves and he has a fuckton of caves.
>>124047659
>implying gold matters in year five
Besides, Agartha's stuff tends to get left behind as the midgame winds to a close anyway.Also he took an erf snekand then got it killedat least twice
>>124047630
Particularly when you have easy access to Rush of Strength.
Flying is also a big deal, both on and off the battlefield.
>>124047987
this isn't dom3. gold matters literally always.
>>124046569
>Their armies are summoned sacred demons, just like Xibalba
You are underestimating the stupidity of the chink names. Just as a "panda bear" is not a bear, their celestial demons are not demons. They cannot be banished and do not see in the dark.
>>124047523
>protection
Both sides will likely be dropping army of lead. Protection should be similar with a small advantage to River demons..
does anyone want to sell me gems for gold?
I have a ton of gold and need S/D/E/W (and some A)
>>124048434
Well, it matters a bit. Certainly, Agartha is more powerful than some of the other nations in play. But gold isn't nearly enough to put Agartha on the same level as the nations with late game gem economies. They aren't even close to the threat that Xibalba and Tíen Chí are. I wouldn't bet on them against Kailasa either. Kailasa doesn't seem to have gone full gem yet, and has had some kekworthy results in their attempts at conquering the big-name indie sites of the center, but they have toppest research, and Agartha's research is below some AIs.
>>124048449
>not a bear
>Belongs to Ursidae family
>>124047987
>and then got it killed
>at least twice
How do you know that? Why is everyone so much better at seeing cool battles with their scouts than me?
>>124048449
>aka oni samurai are just humans in red armor
>>124048931
charm a shit.
the indies themselves would have been easy as dicks, but I was trying to be fancy.
>>124049024
Forgot picture
>>124049053
I know it because there's one death mentioned in his blog and Kailasa was crowing about the other one a while back. I didn't see them myself.
>>124049395
>reading his blog
For ethical reasons, I sure hope you're not in this game.
>>124050106
>not using every information available to you
Besides, it's so far back that it's pretty useless anyway. It's mostly just fun.
>>124050527
>>not using every information available to you
Don't agree with this but
>Besides, it's so far back that it's pretty useless anyway. It's mostly just fun.
this is true and there's no harm in reading a blog that far back.
Wh-where is this blog? Is it actually fun?
>>124052285
https://cruxador.wordpress.com/
I'm abysia, and I've located the throne of winter. If I claim it, will my dominion remain colder forever?
>>124057151
Yes, but the throne also spreads water sites.
>>124057151
If somebody takes it away from you, your dominion will get hotter again if that's what you're worried about. It only makes your dominion colder while you've claimed it.
>>124057229
Wait, thrones spread sites?
>>124058208
Claiming it triggers events spread sites. Other thrones do different things, like causing temporary global darkness or random attacks by wildlife.
>>124058208
The Throne of Winter can randomly cause an event in adjacent provinces that cause a "Frozen Land" site to appear, which makes the land colder and gives 1 water gem. Frozen Lands also have a chance of causing the same event in adjacent province. Though it spreads slowly (only in winter and still relatively unlikely) you'll eventually get several of these sites over the course of the game.
>>124048931
>But gold isn't nearly enough to put Agartha on the same level as the nations with late game gem economies. They aren't even close to the threat that Xibalba and Tíen Chí are.
Agartha has 3rd largest gem economy, larger than Tien Chi and still more space to expand underground. That combined with still having gold income is definitely going to put him in the lead if Utterdark lasts.
>>124057229
>>124057482
So even with strong dominion I'll end up with heat 2 everywhere? Or just near the throne?
>>124062272
Your dominion gets cold+1. It changes your base scales to Heat 2. Stuff still has to switch over as it does with seasons and dom related scale change.
>>124062272
Your dominion will move scales towards whatever your 'base scales', so to speak, are at the moment. The stronger your dominion is in a province, the faster it will move those scales. Claiming a throne alters your base scales while it's claimed, so if you started with heat 3 and claim the throne of winer(lowering your base heat scale to 2), your dominion will move the scales of all provinces it's in towards heat 2.
>>124062272
What the other guys said, but you'll also end up with lower than heat 2 in any provinces with Frozen Land sites near the throne.
>not using mage support in year 2
>of a cataclysm game
The only person actually doing more than just making a big pile of <unit> and attacking me with it like they're the AI is Aqua.
It's worth noting Beige didn't feel any need to secure retreats for that army, so they all died to a man like napoleon's grand armee trying to get out of russia.
>>124064563
Believe me, if I had decent recruitable mages I would have used them.
Not everyone gets to luck out on sites.
>>124064674
From the mages i've seen sitting around in labs, and the sites I found by raiding beige, doesn't matter if you're white or if you're beige, you could have mage support with your armies. But well.. your loss is my gain.
To have the mages I have I didn't recruit troops, or build forts. Only have more than one fort as of a few turns ago. Been using mostly conjured shit rather than anything I made. Expanded largely with an ormr. I made sacrifices, but those sacrifices now allow me to hold off FIVE other nations (Black is coming for a go, with a big pile of gryphons). At a ruinous cost in gems (i've spent every single fucking skerrick of them), at a ruinous cost in research (all i've got i've spent to have the spells I used to hold you bastards off), at a ruinous risk, but you will NOT GET MY LANDS EASILY.
DESU VULT!
>>124064940
... i'd correct that to deus vult, but it seems horrifically appropriate given the amount of anime shit posted in these threads.
>>124064940
You're seriously fighting 5 nations? What's going on in that game anyway? Like are they all allied together or something?
>>124065271
Nah, he's just huge compared to everyone else, so it's more like a last ditch attempt to stop him from steamrolling the game.
>>124065271
No idea. Everyone had a bless or awake expander, because /domclysm/, so expansion happened fast. I ended up long and thin due to a mountain range and running into Aqua early. Aqua's ormr collided with my expansion force and died to a Blood Lord commander. He demanded the province his ormr died in, I refused. Then, a few turns later, Aqua decided to attack a farmland province i'd just taken with my awake expander (it stopped to sitesearch) due to some natural borders whateverthefuck. Then he panicked and decided war was inevitable and attacked me along our (long) border.
I responded with nearby expansion groups, and made inroads, but when he attacked me initially he sent out a mass message to everyone saying 'oh orange is huge I am sacrificing myself to kill him he is weak right now due to that quickly attack him'. And then Black jumped in and said that I was also huge and dangerous and/or something? And that same turn suicided a scout (his starting scout turns didn't work out for anything else) at a province near to him, so i'm unsure how he could have had any idea how large I was. So at that point I guess people were like, 'oh, two people said it, so it must be true' and Yellow and Beige dogpiled me (although they must have been marching from the turn of the initial message). White, who i'd asked for alliance with against aqua and who had replied in the affirmative but kept saying 'oh I need time to prepare, had bad events' etc clearly was just waiting to hit me in the flank.
I attacked black with a raid force because I figured he was in on all this, but it took him fucking ages to assemble a huge pile of trash (including like 150 air gems of gryphons) to slowly march at me.
The sites I found with mages (that i've been forgoing forts and recruitment to build labs to make since the start of the game) happened to be on chokepoints into my main area, kept hitting research goals right before they attacked.
>>124065826
To be fair, the thing about the shit events was true. I had 70+ unrest in three provinces within two turns. And I never said I'd ally with you. All I told you was that I was already planning to get involved. I never even implied that it'd be on your side. At that time I was still just scouting out who was the bigger threat, and I decided it was you. Considering how big you are and well you're doing, I obviously wasn't mistaken.
You can try to play the victim all you want, but that doesn't really work in a wargame.
>>124065547
Nope. I was about 150% of black and yellow, but they were tiny. Beige is now about twice the size of me, in terms of province count. Especially given the provinces aqua has now taken off my soft and defenceless underbelly.
Not to mention my entire fucking homeland is shitty swamps and forests, combined gold income about 100 per turn.
I have some ocean, but so does pink, and so does grey.
>>124065826
Overall due to relying on magepower and spending every single gem on summons, i've managed to hold them off. I've got a few shitty thug chassis as well, which helps. If people weren't using the domgclysm cap sacreds (archers) heavily, i'd likely have lost those battles, or at least more mages. All my magic tactics require setup time at the moment.
>>124066079
So Beige is the strongest and they're all attacking you? Bad luck.
>>124066202
>Beige is the strongest
He's beating the shit out of beige.
He's big, he has better sites than almost anyone else, and he's beating 4 nations a tthe same time.
And still he wants to pretend that he's the underdog.
>>124065992
I'm doing well because i'm using actual tactics and multiple prongs against Yellow and Beige who have 'one big army, march in circles' and you who while raiding put all your stuff in one attack head-first into a pile of mages with the defensive first turn cast. I had a harpy scout province until yellow took it. I'm not big compared to Beige, and with what you've taken, you're the same size as me currently. Black is smaller, aqua is maybe one or two provinces smaller but has indies on their borders still, Yellow is smaller but was also like 8 provinces big to begin with, no idea about pink or grey.
I'm not 'steamrolling' anything, i'm using my research mages to win fights against AI-like piles of archers. Literally 3/4 of all my mages and forces were in battles last turn. The only ones that weren't were some hedge wizards, divine researchers, and some in the west that Aqua is now threatening with yaksha thugs and jaguar warriors.
Not 'playing the victim', but stop fucking acting like I was set to win the game. I have one throne and am not larger, I don't have amazing mages (aqua has yakshas, spider sorcerers, airya seraphs, black has skratti and gygjas, even yellow has ammi, abba, and se'ir - I took a random province off beige with a thug and found amazing stuff there - i've got some good stuff but it's nowhere near unbeatable, and I spent a lot of gold and mage time to find these sites (searched nearly every province in every path, manually)). If you're dogpiling someone because you're bad at the game, just admit it.
>>124066292
>and he's beating 4 nations a tthe same time.
He's beating 4 nations that aren't using mage support.
>>124066292
Beige has 5 of my provinces, or did (black took 2 off him, I counter-raided him for 2 more). He's also just big, had a good expansion.
I beat beige's 'big stupid army' he slowly marched at me and didn't bother to split up or secure retreats with. Turns out flaming arrows is not the best against terracotta warriors backed by 20 mages. But I haven't retaken anything from him, and I can't easily get at him. Black is now in the way, and his summoned stuff is not relying on flaming arrows, so it'll be harder to fight. I'm just defending and slowly losing ground at this point.
I'm the underdog in that i'm fighting vastly huger amounts of gold in units than I have, on four fronts, at once. I don't give a fuck what propaganda you want to spread, that's the actual, physical case, and I will publish any number of battle reports to show that. That I invested in mages and was able to out-tech people and win defensive battles doesn't change that.
>>124066202
Eh, I probably should have done more diplomacy. But when two people decide to kill you for effectively no reason (aqua because 'natural borders', black because 'he's using undead horses and that shit ain't cool' (the exploding horses, found a site that makes them)), there's not a lot you can do other than dig in, grit your teeth, and make the world pay in blood.
At this point i'm just hoping to weaken the 4 or 5 of them enough that they don't get the win. Or at least so that they have to fight smartly to kill me, and not just overwhelm me with pure numbers, and therefore the actually good at the game ones will win.
>>124066471
>with what you've taken, you're the same size as me currently
That's a blatant lie. I've got scouts all over your shit.
>I'm not 'steamrolling' anything, i'm using my research mages to win fights against AI-like piles of archers.
In other words, steamrolling.
>stop fucking acting like I was set to win the game
I never said taht, I said you were the biggest threat to me. So far, that has proven 100% correct.
>>124066853
Looking at it again, if you don't have anything south of 28, you are not the same size as me. For some reason I was thinking you went south of there. But I don't think it's particularly my problem that you expanded to like, 7 provinces, and anything that defeats stuff you summoned from sites is 'the biggest threat to you'.
It's a bit fucking hard to say I can't say you're full of shit when you're blatantly misrepresenting shit to make the game sound like it's not. A nation that was doing okay got rushed by 5 other nations in year 2, because they were looking for easy targets, and that nation got into an early war, because their neighbour panicked. It's not a last ditch attempt to stop someone about to win.
Your army got clobbered because it didn't have a counter to the spells I used. That I had because I spent all my money on mages since the start of the game. It's not mysterious or a sign I was about to win.
>>124067432
>tells obvious lies to make himself seem more like a victim
>"stop misrepresenting shit!"
Have you never played Starcraft or something? You never GG until your opponent dies.
>>124067432
>5 nations attacked me
>but I can beat them all at once because I'm ahead in research
>that's not a sign I'm winning
Uh...
>>124067523
Also, I'm an idiot because I forgot to equip rings of levitation and attack with more earthquake priests for some reason.
>>124067552
I beat the armies they sent into my lands with my research mages because they had no mage support. And I unlocked stuff I was able to use to kill them, at a ruinous cost in gems (around 100 gems, pretty much everything I had left, used in those battles).
I've lost about 1/3rd my land size, lots of mages, troops. I currently have research mages, summoned chaff protecting their labs, and a few thugs i'm terrified of losing. I've 'beat them' in the sense that 'i've killed some of their stuff while being completely unable to advance and losing provinces every single turn'.
>>124067687
I dunno man.
If I fought 5 enemies to a standstill I'd be bragging about it, not crying about how unfair it all is.
If I'm playing LA Tien Chi, what would be better?
>Taking a D bless to make Ancestral Spirits lethal, put some extra bite on the Ancestor Vessels, craft boosters for my D mages and engame D shenanigans.
>Taking an E bless to compensate for the fact that my otherwise pretty good mages are all old and encumbered with useless armor, and because Erf Snek.
>>124067994
Endgame D worked for me.
Ayyy lmao what
How do you even cheat at Dominions
>>124068295
Probably a bug. It happens sometimes.
>>124067994
Just get both.
D9E4 isn't that expensive on a Demilich.
>>124067804
I posted a screen of killing 2 armies in one turn, that's the bragging.
I'm pissed off, though, because I wanted to fuck around with the cool mages in cataclysm, and instead it's like playing singleplayer, fighting big hordes of whatever in an early rush.
>>124068295
you can send in game messages as the host?
>>124068951
No, that's an automated message.
I am sorry for all the poor souls that might get caught in the crossfire, but i think I will not be able to win this game in any sort of way. I was a retard and trusted Sceleria, he obviously backstabbed me and now recruited 2 acolytes to his side to backstab later, not learning from my experience.
But holy shit i won't go down in silence, I hope you guys like literally 0 income lands.
Anyway, i told you people to not gangbang me, and you are doing exactly that. I swore to not cast cancer globals because they aren't fun for anyone. I guess now i'll have to, and you people should blame the gangbangers.
Anyway i still haven't lost any major fight, and my decision can be revoked if the war changes it's outcome, and anyway, the one that is going to give me a hand is going to receive a HUGE deathbasket, and i am speaking of 350+ gems.
Also, why the fuck you people are trying to get shitty lands fighting against undeads instead of getting the FREE land of the living that's worth something? I don't know.
>>124069121
>Leaving Ermor alone
>Not the reason that they win nigh one third of the games they are in.
>>124069121
>people are ganking me
>better make everyone else in the game hate me too by casting BoT
>>124069121
I don't see any promise in the steam thread of no gangbangs, but I see an explicit promise by you not to cast BoT.
>>124069121
Also, you are all VEEERY smart for leaving alone the Sceleria with more skeletons and mages than me and that's going to snowball to victory because you are all getting a skeleton boner.
>>124069676
>Sceleria
>More skeletons than leaving Ermor alone
>>124069641
First of all, I am not casting it yet, but I intend to if i still get gangbanged. Also i sent numerous messages in game about this.
And what can I do if i am just losing because people are trusting Scelerian lies?
>>124069121
>muh honor
>1v1 me noobs
>i wasnt gonna do it but u made me do it
>i dindu nuffin
>pls stop
you're pathetic and you deserve getting gangbanged and more
>>124069718
I have the army graphs to prove it.
>>124069785
The only right thing is the third one. I am complaining about the fact that i am WAY weaker than Sceleria, and he's gonna snowball way more than i can ever hope to.
This was my first time with Ermor and i learned the lesson: "Nobody likes you"
>>124069952
why would anyone ever want to let cancerdom exist you huge mongoloid, you should've known playing ermor means 0 diplomacy
>>124069753
>And what can I do if i am just losing because people are trusting Scelerian lies?
Not threatening everyone else in the game with a nasty global sounds like a good start.
Seriously guys, this is diplomacy 101.
>b-b-but I'm just casting BoT because it hurts my invaders
Bullshit, you'd be better off actually using those death gems on mages or summons.
If you even have enough death gems for a proper BoT cast you've clearly been planning this for a while too, despite promising not to.
>>124069952
>This was my first time with Ermor and i learned the lesson: "Nobody likes you"
For damn good reasons too.
Being next to a domkill nation is horrible since you lose income (either via preaching and temple spam or domkill)
Being attacked by a domkill nation is awful because you barely gain anything even if you win.
Worst of all, they seem to inevitably end up casting BoT, even if they swear they won't.
>>124070180
>>124070094
I don't even have Thaum researched. i DON'T want to BoT. It sucks shit and it can't save me.
I am saying that I am going to cast if it if I end up in shitty position with all my lands lost and my army destroyed. Right now i just want to rape those assholes attacking me.
Also, no research because Ermor.
>>124068921
You sound like more of faggot than me. :^)
Also sorry for taking that province white, it's not that I didn't mean to attack you, just that I misclicked and attacked earlier and with less force than I intended to.
>>124070382
So you're planning to intentionally cripple yourself by stockpiling gems and leaving mages behind to research?
Then when you lose because you didn't actually fight properly, BoT goes up?
>>124070382
so why the fuck do you swear you won't cast BoT and then when things start going against you you start pussying out and threatening to cast BoT
given this, not only is Ermor diplomatically null, but now people have even LESS reason to trust you in anything ever
if you just want to cast BoT fucking do it, you're the only one telling himself not to cast BoT, but don't be surprised if people become even more hostile because 1. you cast BoT 2. you said you wouldn't cast BoT 3. you have nothing to gain by casting BoT
you're literally being a victimist douche
>>124070818
Right now i have 3 Death gems, I am researching because otherwise my mages are useless, and i still DON'T want to cast it. I am keeping the cancer globals as a last fuck you to my aggressors if i get totally SHREKT.
Tell me how should i use my mages against Sceleria, the nation that is basically my hard counter, and I was so lucky that i spawned between him and the map border.
Vanarus i should have fought with you, I am extremely sorry.
>>124070862
Because i have nothing to lose, as you said Ermor is diplomatically null, and i can't get people more hostile than now, because all my neighbours are already against me.
It's not being a victimist douche, it's trying to avoid losing in any way possible.
>>124069193
To be fair, this ermor player seems relatively incompetent and less likely to win than the sort that typically does.
>>124071382
It's my first time and I haven't played dominion much. sorry for being bad (x_x)
>>124071647
We're all bad here.
Some are more bad than others, but the differences are smaller than you'd think.
Wait a second Agartha I did send you your fire booster, did I?
I think I did but I'm not sure.
Also you crafted a lot of shit, con8boys. I have almost nothing left to forge.
>>124071129
>Tell me how should i use my mages against Sceleria
It obviously depends on research and gems, but if you're in a position to cast BoT at the end you've done something wrong.
Battlefield clear like Earthquake would be ideal. If you don't have it, get it.
Earthquake is pretty easy for you to cast, just communion slave 4 dusk elders and communion master a couple of E1 dusk elders. Cast Summon Earthpower with both and you can then cast Earthquake.
That should clear out Sceleria's chaff, so you just need something which can kill his non-chaff. It can't be skeletons since your skeletons will also die.
Lictors would be good, especially if they're highly blessed, but I suspect you don't have them. Fire Elementals could work, and makes use of the extra mages you'll need to bring to prevent him fucking up your shit with magic duel.
If Sceleria has Mass Flight, you're going to need to make Crystal and/or Slave Matrices so you can turn 1 earthquake him.
Hopefully that helps, have fun.
Ur has surely given up on life now.
I'm not asking for aid, nor have I asked for it. Oceania was the wronged party, my initial alliance with Ermor was due to Varnus asking BOTH of us to ally with him against the other.
I allied with Oceania, asked Ermor to ally himself also with them, to which he killed their forces in C'tis's territory to take it for himself.
I'm not saying I' in the right and am good, I'm saying the Ermor is whining about actions having consequences. If he casts BoT I will donate all my pearls to whoever can dispell it.
There has been one major battle, his phyric victory due to my poor scripting, this has been remedied and also all the fighting now it in his territory.
>get this in Cataclysm
What do I even recruit? It's a shame I didn't gamble with some big bless though. I got both jews, wo5e, and sobeks.
>>124073430
lol, probably
forcehost?
>>124073430
>>124074119
I have just sent 50 turn resends to mictlan and I'm going to send some to Ur.
Can someone please help me?
>>124075134Which side are you?
>>124075653
what do you mean? I want both of them to send the turn and I want Mictlan to play until the end, but if he can't play or he is salty about getting buttfucked he can just go AI instead of staling al lot of turns for no reason.
>>124075134
please stop doing this.
>>124075947
I mean which nation are you in the game.
>>124076143
I'm R'lyeh. Please raid me and bukkake me, senpai.
>>124076030
Mictlan staled for 3 turns in a row after losing a fight to China, friend.
>>124076359More like get someone to set you AI
>>124073670
This is a total lie. I never fought oceania, I went into C'it's to avoid fighting you, I never killed a single Oceania troop, and now you tell me that we were allied but you attacked me because I attacked him, even when you clearly planned that backstab. Also you keep saying that I stole C'tis from him when he didn't even conquer it, he just sieged it. I also told him he could take it.
This is a load of bullshit and you know it, and it's not cool bragging about beating a way more weak enemy than you that is also hard countered by your whole nation.
And you never asked me about allying with Oceania, you were actually talking about how hard fighting them or Pelagia would have been because UW nations.
>>124076463
that was after someone sent him 79 turn resends, and I'm betting it was you, because you're a humongous faggot.I ain't even mictlan that shit just pisses me off.
>>124077256
>sceleria counters ermor
please stop this bad meme and git gud
>Go through dozens of turns without much conflict
>turns out everyone else is trying to brutally murder each other whilst leaving you alone
>>124077643
but anon, they do.
all their mages can enter massive holy communions, or they can just H2 banishspam
they can easily spam wither bones or control the dead.
and they have some of the cheapest chaff in the game.
>>124077256
How did "cleary plan" the backstab? Because I had research thaumaturgy with it's mirade of S spells?
It's your word vs Oceania for not fighting him at all, and given the amount of false info you've said in the thread I'm inclined to believe him.
What's a load of bullshit? I'm not bragging I'm countering you FREE TERRITORY lie, which runs counter to your own 'I'm dead anyway guys'.
I did, I specifically asked you on a number of occasions, I did also say they were harder to fight than you, but at this point I'm wondering if it was worth it for the amount of earache from you in the threads.
>>124077862
skeletons are chaff, skeletons are meaningless, what matters are your mages and ermor has way stronger mages than sceleria
>>124077989
>way stronger
>magicduel bait and 15 gem skelespammers
Anon, no. Also banish and wither bones fuck up your mages too, if less so.
>>124078187
>using dusk elders to spam skeletons
>not protecting them from magic duel
>ignoring the rest of your tools capable of dealing with Sceleria
>>124078692
Dusk elders are 20 gems. 12 gems are spectators forgot and thought they were 15.
You can only protect dusk elders from magic duel so much before a lucky roll fucks you.
>>124077514
This.
Don't get me wrong, Mictlan is a huge faggot for not setting himself to AI (and if your reading this Mictlan, you are cancer, if you can't handle losing in a war game stick to single player)
But spamming resends is childish and puts load on the server, a free service you are abusing.
Does Dwarven hammer stack with Hammer of the forge lord? (using a copper arm to be able to hold a 2h weapon and an extra 1h weapon, of course)
>>124080337
Yes.
>>124080192
this is the first real argument against turn resend spam.
I'm not that other guy, but saying "lol are you a kid? XD" isn't a real argument. You have a good point with that about llamaserver paying for the faggot who stales.
Would anybody be interested in a LA game that forbade erf sneks? I don't hate them or anything, they're just such an easy choice that banning them might make for more varied pretenders.
>>124080389
Noice!
I tested it to see if items with 5 gem cost were free, but there is a minimum of 1 gem.
>>124080451
No llamabeast is paying for you to hit turn resend 100 times. And it makes you a humongous dick to fill someone's inbox with turn resends just because you're upset that you don't have your turn yet. That shit's a pain in the ass to delete.
>>124080725
Yeah, sure, why not. Bids on Lemuria :^)
>>124080740
Yeah you can never go below 1 gem per path it uses.
>>124080798
Also I realized how bad is using dwarven hammer while forging blood stuff, since -2 blood slaves is a lot less than -2 gems.
>>124080890
If you're not using them for gem forging shit you might as well not waste the turn.
>>124080725
Sure I'll just use an Ormr instead. :^)
Can we set Mictlan to AI?
>>124081086
No.
>>124081105
Oh... o-ok ;_;
>>124081086
And you're a faggot if you don't use your game nation's name while suggesting this.
>>124080793
You'll be fucking annoying but at least you won't be using a snek.
>>124081038
That's fine, it's not erf snek #5314. It's a ban on one specific chassis, not awake expansion pretenders as a whole.
>>124081191
Not the one who suggested it initially, but if he stales this turn it's probably safe to AI him.turns resends ain't me by the way, I have better things to do than that.
>>124077953
Because you were filling your borders with troops and I was too retarded to notice it? Because i never killed a single troops from Oceania and you know it perfectly? I only took Ctis siege from him, and he was sieging with a single scout. I also lost 1k skeletonst taking it because a huge amount of marshmaster.
Also, you NEVER asked, show me the steam chat log where you asked and i will believe you.
You acted like a faggot backstabber even saying "LOL SORRY" when you attacked me, now you are making up casus belli.
And yours is as much as FREE LANDS as it going to ever be, because you have MANY MANY more skeletons than i do, and at least you have them on my border right now.
Yeah because I'm not dead right? There's SOO much i can do against huge hordes of undead while not having banishment, against astral and death communions that can spam duel against my mages and banishment against my troops.
You are also not obligated to listen to me or to the thread, I am sorry if i am bothering you trying to salvage this game that i actually care about.And i am also offended, i thought you were a good guy...
>>124081410
Guys, why did the admin postpone the turn?
I think we could forcehost, since Mictlan doesn't seem like he is going to take this turn anyway.
I mean I don't want to be that guy, but the host was on 16:00 and somehow it went to 22:00 so we are going to be waiting just for Mictlan 6 hours more, and that's kind of sad.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/492379439668654437/?tscn=1449073645
New game for those that want a bit of wierdness in a Pbem
>>124082037
maybe he came up with a super sekrit strategy and needed to change his turn?
>>124081219
Well you're a baka and I haet you!!!!
>>124082037
I may have accidentally sent a blank turn last night and was making sure I could redo it before it hosted.
I'm getting someone to set Mitclan AI.
>>124082565
Great then.
Thanks, anon-kun.
>>124082565
>>123993879
are you going to do this?
>>124083206
Yep.
>>124082565
Just force it and set him to ai later, nigger. Don't make me wait for turns any longer fuck.
Holy fucking shit, all my whining was for nothing.
I actually spoke with Sceleria and we reached to the conclusion that the faggot that caused all this is fucking OCEANIA.
I won't win this game, but trust me, you will stop existing soon.
Sceleria is a little bit pissed too. Have fun asshole.
Sorry for being a little bit assholish Sceleria, you are a coolfaggot.
>>124083287
LITERALLY HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK. Unless there's a turn resend limit.
>>124083354
Literally making me wait as we speak.
>>124083354
ignore that guy, you are doing an okay job.
>>124083405
nice meme desu senpai
>>124083328
Who'd have thought we'd agree on something ever again?
[spoile]We're still at war though
>mfw this happens even with 1 misfortune
>>124083598I got so much Scelerian dick that right now i am addicted to it, please BANISH me more.
>>124084052Forgot you can only attach one image per post on this site
There was too much Hybris in the name of this game:
NoStalersAllowed: Staling data
Nation Turn 32 Turn 33 Turn 34 Turn 35 Turn 36 Total stales
Ashdod Turn received Staled Turn received Turn received Turn received 2
Ermor Turn received Staled Turn received Turn received Turn received 1
Oceania Turn received Staled Staled Turn received Turn received 2
Marignon Turn received Staled Turn received Turn received Turn received 2
Man Turn received Staled Turn received Turn received Turn received 1
Bandar Log Turn received Staled Turn received Turn received Turn received 1
Mictlan Turn received Staled Turn received Turn received Turn received 3
Sceleria Turn received Staled Turn received Turn received Turn received 1
Pangaea Turn received Staled Turn received Turn received Turn received 1
Pelagia Turn received Staled Turn received Turn received Staled 7
Agartha Turn received Staled Turn received Turn received Turn received 1
T'ien Ch'i Turn received Staled Turn received Turn received Turn received 1
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>>124084052
Pretty sure that event just requires order, not luck, so misfortune merely makes it less likely.
Also I think the amount of gold you get in that event depends on the base income of the province.
>>124083354
Anon, are you doing it?
as this faggot >>124083287
says, you can just forcehost and turn him into AI next turn.
I'm looking forward to see another turn without income
>>124083354
Just forcehostt
>>124084627
Check the admin log, he's already changed Mictlan's email, he's just trying to force a turn resend so it sends it to him and he can set him to AI, but it ain't working just yet maybe because we tried to spam Mictlan too much.
>>124086049
what an irony.
do you faggots see how resendspam is bullshit?
Assuming you're taking an N9E4 statue as Pythium, how do you get the E/S crosspath for things like crystal matrices and golems? Just suck it up and empower an arch theurg?
That's a funny turn
>>124086194
If you get indie D2 mages, you can try to spam Summon Spectre and hope for a lucky random. If you have no luck, its probably cheaper to empower your statue in Astral although an E level on an Arch Theurg is probably more useful.
>>124086194
You have to suck it up, but you'll be able to do a little bit of sitesearching with the statue and hopefully get some income that way.
An S6E6 statue would probably be better for MA Pythium just because it allows you to cast everything you need at turn 1 , although N9 golems are pretty nice.
JEWS DID IT
THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN
>>124087015
Actually, I didn't do jack shit.
It's all very weird.
>>124087187
Aww now I wish I had sent a few more to make it 666.
Did someone really wish for apocalypse?
>>124087540
R'lyeh has S titles on his pretender god, if I'm reading it correctly.
I'm assuming he decided to follow up Utterdark with genocide.
>>124087649
Maybe something he wished for killed hid god? Or something?
>>124087762
Armageddon doesn't hit hard enough to kill a god.
>>124087762
>>124087905
Wait, I can't see the turn right now. Did we get an apocalypse AND Utterdark disappeared?
>lost 80 gems worth of D boosters plus mages that were carrying them.
You little shit.
>>124088061
Utterdark got overwritten by blood Vortex or Marverni actually guessed the correct dispel value.
>>124086729
>An S6E6 statue would probably be better for MA Pythium just because it allows you to cast everything you need at turn 1 , although N9 golems are pretty nice.
N9 communicants are so much better than regular communicants that it's not even close. Communicants without the nature bless let you put up some battlefield buffs, and then they die. N9 communicants let 2 theurgs cast whatever you want for the whole fight.
>>124087905
True but if he made multiple wishes, entirely possible with R'lyeh and artifacts, he could have wished for control of something or a doom horror or pankoman only knows. I'm just posing theories I can't see the turn until afterlunch with my gf :^)
>>124087649
Would make sense considering his shit scales.
As it is, though, R'lyeh's god is touching me. I'll see what I can do about it, but I don't have a whole lot of underwater strength.
>>124086701
>If you have no luck, its probably cheaper to empower your statue in Astral although an E level on an Arch Theurg is probably more useful.
The statue can't wear a skullcap, so to make a crystal coin you'd need to either already be able to make a ring or artifact or empower in astral twice.
Do gibodai get the death bless on their mind blasts?
>>124088179
Communicants tend to die even with an N9E4 bless since they take tons of fatigue from any spellcasting, especially if you're needing to cast multiple turn 1 army buffs in order not to get fucked by lategame spells. As long as you get the big spells off they've served their purpose, since they're not going to last in any prolonged engagement.
