"Max is jealous of how close Victoria is to Kate" Edition
Previous Thread: >>122444685
Life is Strange is an episodic interactive drama from DONTNOD Entertainment. Set in the Pacific Northwest in the town of Arcadia Bay, the player follows the story of Maxine Caulfield and her seemingly newfound ability to turn back time. At the prestigious Blackwell Academy, Max must prepare with Chloe Price for the incoming storm of returning to her hometown after five years. Available on Steam, PSN and Xbox Live.
>Official Website:
http://lifeisstrange.com
>Steam:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/319630/
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/4chanlisg
>/lisg/ Permalink:
http://orph.link/lisg
>FAQs, Old Threads/Strawpolls & Soundtrack/Music:
http://orph.link/lisgarchive
>/lisg/ Community written fanfic:
http://orph.link/story
>/lisg/ Content Producers:
http://pastebin.com/fdmD7Ba4
>Leaks:
http://pastebin.com/ByyNvUKL
http://pastebin.com/xFwyhDca
Strawpolls:
>Best anon
http://strawpoll.me/5970694
>What would be your ideal Season 2?
http://strawpoll.me/5978279
>Pick all LiS characters you've ever fapped to. EVER.
http://strawpoll.me/5978747
>When did it first cross your mind that Max's powers could be causing the storm?
http://strawpoll.me/5985495
>Which characters do you most personally relate to, whether you like it or not?
http://strawpoll.me/5987949
>Did you preorder the limited edition package?
http://strawpoll.me/5988097
>Who had the best feet?
http://strawpoll.me/5993458
>"Which 12 Arcadia residents would you choose to save?" Poll no. 1 (Select 6 on each list).
http://strawpoll.me/5993555
>"Which 12 Arcadia residents would you choose to save?" Poll no. 2 (Select 6 on each list).
http://strawpoll.me/5993565
>Who here /nathan/
http://strawpoll.me/5994248
>Is Max or Kate cuter?
http://strawpoll.me/5994318
>Who is cuter?
http://strawpoll.me/5994342
>The aspect of the game I love the most is:
http://strawpoll.me/6018472
I want Victoria to be my abusive husband and shit on my face.
>>122527357
E A R L Y C U T E P O S T I N G
P R I C E F I E L D
C U T E P O S T I N G
I am putting together a flowchart (a-la-/mu/) of music similar to LiS
Currently working on a few different thoughts for the flowchart. If you guys have any ideas, please share. Current plan is 3 categories; Victoriaish, slowcore, and indie pop.
Pastebin of collected (unsorted) songs so far:
http://pastebin.com/MJrjdDpe
If you want to contribute, please contact me on steam, or reply to this post.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198048865860
not-so Current Pastebin of game's music/progress:
http://pastebin.com/LaUcnMej
Thanks to photoshopgril for putting together the background image and the second chart,
polaroidgril for assembling the album covers/artist names/etc. onto the background image,
Dr. Zaius for helping in general.
I have a torrent of all the games music, Morali's OST, the Vortex Club party, all the licensed songs (most in lossless format), and all the albums they were taken from.
There may or may not be several songs I just found. I'm going to investigate them, see if I missed any. I'll probably post about them next thread.
Magnet link:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:4AF55CE2E1F48771E92E4CCE8E92156EC6A96152&dn=various+artists+life+is+strange+ost+2015&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.me%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337
https://kat.cr/various-artists-life-is-strange-ost-2015-t11495485.html
Alternative download on MEGA, if you get it from here, please add the files to your torrent folder to facilitate easier downloads for others.
https://mega.nz/#F!LsBkkBwT!p-2sVb--sT3Tb9K_QDhznA
Spotify playlist of the licensed music here:
https://play.spotify.com/user/pieisablessing2me/playlist/0hlcayMf9otvePDw2MZ6qk
PRICEFIELD LEWD POSTING
OP, can you stop including the garbage shitposting polls please?
>>122527357
Reminder that Max never cared about Kate
>>122527357
>>122527656
MARSHFIELD CUTEPOSTING
>>122527656
Max didn't care about anyone except Chloe. Bitch was whipped af
>>122527798
MARSHFIELD COMFYPOSTING
I miss Mariposting.
>>122527872
C O M F Y
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![Mari.Ming.Onette.full.1297540[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BkkZf6a.jpg "Mari.Ming.Onette.full.1297540[1].jpg")
>>122527917
MARI WAS WRONG
>>122527464
I admit it took me a fairly long time to see Chloe for who she really was. The first two episodes didn't endear me to her that much. I thought she was just using Max to find Rachel and that while she suffered loss it was her own fault she ended up in the situation she was in.
And while that's true to an extent, once she started yelling in the truck about how everyone leaves her I figured out she was really just a hurt girl looking for one thing to grasp on to.
In the same fashion you said, she's still childish in ways- both in how she can do silly things and how she's never learned how to deal with loss and move on. Due to her own issues compounded with those she thought she could trust practically ignoring her.
She's a brilliant character and I found myself just wanting to see both her and Max happy as the final outcome of the game.
>>122527930
why are you 9 faggots still posting about this shit game? Let it die family
>>122528089
They're happy anon, no matter what ending you choose.
>>122528153
>>122528273
he says, as he posts here.
>>122528292
Max may be (Although she will have mental trauma to deal with), but in one ending Chloe dies on a bathroom floor thinking that nobody loved her. While Max keeps her memories of timelines, Chloe is just a normal girl who does not.
That, to me, is unacceptable and I didn't hesitate to make the choice to save her.
>>122528445
Ignore it.
>>122528292
>no matter what ending you choose
Except for the bay ending, where none of the joy that Max zapped into her life ever took place and Max has to now live without her.
Well, at least that's how it would have happened if it were even possible for the bay ending to take place...
Actually, take that all back. Bae ending is the only one that can physically take place so your argument is actually right :3
>>122528273
>>122528618
>>122528576
What about Warren, or Kate or even Victoria? Those people are less deserving to a death than Chloe who got into this predicament all by herself.
>>122528894
When Max is on the cliff, she can't prove that anyone will die for certain from either choice except for Chloe--her closest loved one. Would you let your significant other die a death like Chloe just because you think there's a chance that some other people you know would die otherwise?
Of course not. It's a core human nature to protect your loved ones first.
>>122528894
Fuck Warren, if there was an option to let him die/survive, I'd kill him.
>>122528894
But anon, didn't you hear? Absolutely no one of value died in the bae ending and there were virtually no consequences whatsoever for Max making what is objectively the morally correct choice.
>>122528894
Warren had the possibility to survive, I saved Kate, and Victoria didn't believe my warning so Jefferson never got her.
It was discussed in the last thread: The choice was if you believed Chloe was important enough to Max that you would risk the lives of many others (Along with the infrastructure of a town).
As for if they were "less deserving" that is purely subjective (As is my belief that Chloe should live). It could be argued that those three put themselves in the situations that could lead to their death. Warren stayed in the diner while watching the storm come closer, Kate decided to go to the rood, and Victoria tried to seduce Jefferson to get ahead in the contest.
>>122529164
Except she knows Joyce, Warren, Frank and Kate are definitely doomed. Kate and Frank are potentially already long dead and she has no reason to believe the Diner with them in it would not explode in this timeline.
>Would you let your significant other die a death like Chloe just because you think there's a chance that some other people you know would die otherwise?
Well, that's the question. You can say you wouldn't, but people are acting like either is "obvious" or "true" or "right" when that's just a retarded position to take.
>>122529164
>When Max is on the cliff, she can't prove that anyone will die for certain from either choice except for Chloe ...
Not true. She has already seen that a whole bunch of people die in the town. At the time she's at the cliff, she knows that Joyce, Warren, Frank (if still alive), Officer Barry, Evan, etc, are already dead. If she hadn't interfered earlier in the day, the Two Whales exploded. We can see in the Bae ending that the explosion still happened.
So at the time of the decision, even if she had no idea how much of the town would be destroyed, she already knew that at least a handful of people - including people important to Chloe - had died.
>>122529164
That's the thing though I honestly didnt want my Max to ride off into the sunset with Chloe. First of all my Max didn't choose Chloe. 2nd it made zero sense to drive off instead of trying to look for survivors.
/lisg/, please make me feel like I'm not a worthless pos.
I know were ultimately just on 4chan, but it would so make my day if you convinced me that I'm interacting with a community in which at least the majority of its members care to an extent and aren't rude mean spirited snobs.
If you can do that for me, I promise I will never ever blogpost again. I'll even leave for good if that's what you want.
>>122529432
The diner didn't look like it exploded when they drove by. And since David knew about the Dark Room he could have taken Joyce and the other there.
Purely speculation, but that was a different timeline than the one where the diner exploded. One change could prevent that.
>>122529432
You can try to act as morally or ethically superior on the internet as you want, but only a psychopath would actually follow the utilitarian code to an extent that they'd kill the person they love most to take a bunch of strangers out of harms way. This isn't even a question of what's right or wrong, it's a simple statement of truth that 99% of people who defend the bay choice wouldn't even consider it an option if they were in Max's shoes.
>>122529603
I care about you anon... Now git out....
>>122529603
But friend, I'm a worthless piece of shit too.
How do you expect me to make you feel better, when I'm already miserable?
>>122529552
>read that as cock and got turned on
You're so boring anon, you're suck a dork.
>>122529603
I want you to blogpost. Because it allows you to have an outlet which helps yourself. I care about you. Ignore the haters.
>>122529165
>there will never be a CauScott ship
Fuck episode 5 SMHF.
>>122529723
I missed giantess anon.
>finally tell good friend about how depressed and suicidal I've been feeling the last couple months
>30 minutes later get a call from my mother tearfully begging me to come stay with her for the rest of the month
>>122529603
You're anonymous; you don't need to leave for good because nobody would know who you are.
But anyway, you're not a worthless pos, anon. Whatever you are facing now...you will get through it. I believe in you, and you should believe in yourself, too. And I think many people on here blogpost a little here and there -- it's normal to get a bit more personal in a place that you feel comfortable with/enjoy spending your time in. Don't be ashamed of it.
>>122529968
Is it odd that I enjoy reading others' blogposts?
>>122529607
If David wanted to save Joyce and Co. he would have been there in the timeline we saw them explode too. Just because he doesn't know about the dark room doesn't mean he wouldn't bother to try and help them.
And it doesn't matter whether the Diner looks exploded (which is arguable). When Max makes her decision, she has reason to believe that it will because she literally saw that happen. In saving Chloe she accepts that. Joyce "dying in that diner" is brought up specifically in the Cliff scene, so as to make it part of the argument for/against either decision.
This is a moral dilemma. There is no objective "right" or "wrong", no solution. We can only bring forth arguments or justify either for ourselves. But these types of arguments along the lines of "actually, hardly anybody even died and those who did deserved it!" fail to address that moral quality of the situation.
>>122530106
Not if you care about them and genuinely wish to help
>>122530024
Do it just to please her. She cares about you.
>>122529727
I'm doing the opposite of trying to act superior. I'm highlighting that people are trying to do that and for which reasons it is wrong.
>This isn't even a question of what's right or wrong, it's a simple statement of truth that 99% of people who defend the bay choice wouldn't even consider it an option if they were in Max's shoes.
K.
>>122529431
>>122529552
>>122529723
What the fuck just happened?
>>122529603
Most people here have become infatuated, almost romantically obsessed with their righteous indignation over the endings. If you want to have a happy thread, just preach to the choir, preferably in caps, everyone will lap it up and talk about how much this echo chamber warms their hearts. Then everything will feel good.
>Is abandoned to die under the debris of a collapsed hospital
>Supposed best friend can't be fucked using her photo power to save her or anyone else
>Players who left her to die insist that they love her and make shit up about her surviving to make themselves feel better
>>122530024
See, this is why I never talk to people. Because they don't fucking understand privacy, or speaking in confidence.
I swear, I say one thing, and then everyone and their facebook friends know it.
>Friends calls me up to go get drunk
>sorry I'm busy
>sitting here posting on /lisg/
Why do I always do this? I fucking hate myself.
>>122530496
Just do it Anon.
>>122529828
>>122529968
>>122530080
tysm anons, this really does mean a lot. I guess I just like blogposting because it feels good venting and releasing all those pent-up emotions. I don't think it's healthy to keep them bottled up inside for too long.
>>122529432
And do you think Joyce would be happy if she knew Max had the chance to save her daughter and instead chose to save her? Do you think Joyce would rather be alive than know that her death kept her daughter from being buried in the ground next to her husband?
>>122530320
Some overly-salty janitor going on a powertrip.
>>122530557
I am in full agreement with you; if it is what helps, then feel free to do it by any means. It's sometimes kind of hard to ignore the really mean/rude people especially when you're feeling very down/vulnerable, but know that the nice people outnumber the mean. Hope things look up for you soon.
>>122530235
I know and I will
>>122530405
I'm not mad about it I'm just really annoyed I know he was worried about me but geez he didn't need to tell my mom
>>122530580
Why does this matter? We don't know. We are making that decision for her. Would Joyce also want that tornado to hit and thos eother people to die for Chloe to survive? Maybe. We don't know. And it doesn't matter or make either decision more "right" than the other - even if we did not what her wish was it wouldn't. That of course disregarding that there's a whole bunch of other people, things, animals involved too.
As I've been saying since the first post-episode threads. This discussion is pointless as long as it doesn't deal with the moral implications and even then there won't be one "right" ending. I can understand both, but only the philosophical discussion is interesting, the "nobody not-retarded even died" vs. "Chloe the slut deserved to die" discussion, not so much.
>>122530557
It's worked fine for me so far.Oh god, I feel so empty inside.
>>122530024
Sounds like your mom and your friend care about you.
there literally cannot be one thread without autistic arguing
>>122530580
That's true. Both David and Joyce would be horrified if they knew Chloe could have lived.
I don't even know if they would move on after that. Joyce would be devastated she lost her daughter and last tie to William, and David would be even more fucked up because he's the one who walks in on his step-daughter on the floor as she bleeds out. And even if he tries first aid it obviously doesn't work.
>>122530557
May every single day you live grow brighter
>>122530927
Good. Don't be annoyed too much at your friend.. I'm sure he means well
We feelposting?
>>122530496
I can kinda understand:
>hey we are having a Halloween party
>no - will probably be the only guy there and everyone will see me as creepy
>hey want to come out with the guys for a drink?
>no - you guys will just talk about your awesome lives and depress me
>hey range day sunday come out I just bought a spam can for my AK
>no - I will be far too busy shitposting on /k/ and /lisg/ while finger fucking my guns
FML seriously, I don't want to get on meds but there has to be some sort of medication for this.
>>122530580
Except it's not just a choice between Chloe and Joyce. Why should parents outside of Arcadia Bay be happy that the children they sent to attend Blackwell got slaughtered for the sake of two girls they've never heard of?
>>122531235
>tfw no AK
Damn restrictions. Why can't I live in a cool state?
>>122531235
>only single guy
Fix'd that came out all wrong.
>keep wanting to start a new vidya series after finishing LiS
>can't imagine characters or a world i'd care about more, everything else seems almost hollow in comparison
>play nothing
when does this wear off?
>>122530580
Personally yes, Chloe was a wreck:
>drug addict, no idea what other drugs she does
>comes home late or never came home at all
>hate my new husband
>steals
>probably a lesbian
There is so much that is wrong with Chloe I would just accept the fact that she would be in a better place if she had died.
>>122530496
Well, the first step in overcoming addiction is admitting you have a problem.
>>122531515
I wouldn't know, I'm in the same boat.
>tfw playing Euro Truck 2, with LiS soundtrack as background music
>>122531589
Max looks like she desperately needs a burger, and Chloe looks like she's high on bath salts and about to eat Max's face.
>>122531515
At this rate, it's not just a meme -- it genuinely feels like never.
>>122531619
Dude, I don't like Chloe very much but I'm not going to pretend that Joyce would (or should) just casually move on from the death of her beloved daughter.
>>122531304
Because they will never know the truth. The only people who know are Max, Chloe, and Warren.
>>122531619
Joyce never lost faith in Chloe, she just wished she had a good influence. Why do you think she's so happy when Max comes back and they're hanging out again? Because she realized that Max could be that good influence and get Chloe of the bad places she was headed. While Rachel saved Chloe, she also seemed to be the influence that led Chloe to getting involved with Frank, Nathan, etc.
>>122531515
IDK Anon, I still haven't went and picked up my pre-order for Fallout 4. I've lost my motivation for anything right now, only thing I've been doing is refreshing Archive/FF.net for new/updated Pricefields. I am so fucking pathetic.
>>122531348
Where do you live sounds like CA. OR here, we had a bunch of CAbros come over last /k/ meet up. OR is a great place is you like freedom:
>few gun restrictions
>few weed restrictions
>no state taxs
>no fucked up laws like Commiefornia
>weather is always awesome for shooting
>beautiful beach towns like in Goonies or this game
Portland is pretty expensive to live in but I am from Brookings where rent is about $600/mo for a 2 bedroom apartment.
I swear LiS has ruined every holiday for me ever since it first came out, and now I'm scared I won't be able to enjoy Christmas w/o thinking about this damned game...
>>122531961
>murders an entire town for one person
>good influence
I wouldn't say Max is morally superior to Rachel.
>>122531619
r-rude
My opinion is that, while understanding either decision, we are playing a game here. It's not a real life situation, this is solely about our satsifaction and which pixels and sound bytes we want to see and hear for our ending. And the Chloe + Max relationship is so central to the game, I grew to like both as characters and both together so much throughout the course of the game that - why wouldn't I choose Bae? I want more Chloe/Max screentime and so there I go. There's in the end no moral implication because this is a game and I've spent this game learning of Chloe and Max's relationship to her, spending it saving Chloe's ass over and over. Why would I then go and save the boring Bay that I as player have no real connection to?
I just chose both endings because the game allows me to. Now I have both Max/Victoria in cute funeral attire and them driving off. The endings are still shitty but at least I'm not compelled to waste my time wondering which decision is may be "right" or something.
>>122532113
>I am from Brookings where rent is about $600/mo for a 2 bedroom apartment.
what the fuck
tfw we pay 1000+ for a shitty ass tiny 2 bedroom apartment and i don't even live in some expensive place like NYC
>>122531961
That actually raises a good question. Should Max admit to the real cause of the storm? While it's quite likely that no one will believe her, she kind of owes something to the victims. You can argue all you like about how "they were just retards who brought death on themselves" but Max did put them in that position, even if it was unintentionally.
this threads off to a real shit start you cunts
best ship
>>122532113
>>122532274
i pay 850 for a fucking one-bed one-bath, man fuck california. it's not even good california, it's shitty ass sacramento
>>122530605
Dana doesn't have enough fanart
>>122532238
>murders
>>122532252
I understand how you feel however you need to understand that Chloe chose this for herself. Max denied her wish, do you think Chloe will be able to be with Max especially after Max against her wishes murdered the ONLY person left in her life that would unconditionally love her? I can see Chloe growing to resent Max. Eventually Chloe would be back where she started being left alone forever, back then she had her mom. Now she has no one, zip zero.
>>122532578
>>122532452
Damn right.
>pewdiepie let's play of LiS on my youtube recommended
>>122532276
Max nor Chloe knows what caused the storm. The only reason we do is because we have the ability to see both endings.
Max saw the first vision of it before she knew she had her power, so she could easily conclude it was something that was already in the making. She would live with guilt, no doubt, but not regret. And if it really bothered Chloe, then Max could tell her a lie for once in her life to calm her: She could say that she went back and let Chloe die, but the storm still came.
As long as both of them live fulfilling lives, and help others, then I say that they have made up for whatever offenses they committed.
>>122532654
Not
Enough
>>122532464
Well you're close, maybe we can meet up during the next /k/ annual Norcal meet. It would be cool to talk to someone in real life about LIS.
If you saw him about to get hit by a train, would you save him?
>>122532615
She allows hundreds or even thousands to die in an incident caused by her actions and refuses an opportunity to reverse it. Max may not have directly murdered anyone but she's not exactly innocent either.
>>122532464
damn. i've always wanted to live in cali but i'm aware that the living expenses are ridiculous. i live near miami (not in the heart of miami so it's not like i live in the actual city) and i'm pretty sure we pay $1100 for ours, to be exact. and we even had to throw some stuff out because the apartment is so tiny that barely anything else fits. barely get by.
it's tough.
>>122529237
>Kate decided to go to the rood
For a minute there I thought you were making an obscure Christian reference, but then I realized you probably meant roof
>>122532763
http://xkcd.com/1455/
>>122532919
Correct. Was a typo.
Has the ending been accepted here YET?
>>122532774
>hundreds or even thousands
>a tornado
>telephone poles and trees are still standing
>buildings are still standing upright
>cars are still right-side-up on the street
EF5 level tornadoes that completely flatten towns until they look like piles of kindling rarely exceed a 1% mortality rate.
>>122533067
NO
O
Where else can I interact with lis fans? The tumblr fandom is pretty much cancer.
>>122532742
>As long as both of them live fulfilling lives, and help others, then I say that they have made up for whatever offenses they committed.
Small comfort to the lives lost and people hurt as a result of Max's actions. The "fulfilling lives" excuse is a copout. The incident is wrongly designated as a natural phenomenon out of anyone's control and Max faces no consequences for her actions besides guilt. Even that's iffy considering just how quickly she's ready to look on the bright side when Chloe smiles at her.
>>122532635
Oh, I see no real hope in either. Max should be a mental wreck regardless and Chloe is either dead or shoul be dying of guilt in the other ending. Again, the endings are still shitty but it is what it is and I don't see why I should "canonize" either.
The underlying morals are interesting, but those are philosophical questions that have been debated for centuries, it's not like this game introduced me to them nor did it conceptionalize them in some great way or anything. They really go with the cheap trolley dilemma, i. e. moral theory 101. Just because great minds have wondered these questions doesn't make a work of fiction great if it does too though, I'm afraid. So yeah, that's just lame. But if we actually want to discuss the endings, then at least I'd hope to discuss that aspect because at least it's interesting, even if it doesn't lead to anything conclusive or provide "closure" either.
>>122533067
NO
>>122532759
that's a cool offer, but i think i'll just remain anonymous. thanks though
>>122532848
living on the coasts is overrated, i need to move to a nice small town in the middle of the country somewhere
>>122532848
Dude, Cali isn't what its cracked up to be. I used to live in Commiefornia before I moved to Oregon. It's mostly desert and manure smelling farmlands. San Francisco is no like in the 60s where all of the hippies hang out. It's 100% ghetto and business now, everyone there are assholes. LA is the same. Only chill spot left in CA is San Diego or Pismo.
Oregon is nice, everyone is chill as fug. No one is trying to stab you in the back and life seems to move slower here. People here will look at you strange if you:
>put creamer in your coffee
>wear the following brand: GAP/Polo/F21 basically any brand name besides Chuck Taylors, some Nikes and Levis
>you don't like Pink Floyd, not cool everyone loves Pink Floyd
Other than that we welcome you with open arms.
>>122533129
So what is she supposed to do?
Give up someone she loves? Would you really expect her, or most humans put in that situation, to do that? I don't.
Sure she can try to say she caused the storm. But people would just ignore her at best or think she was crazy.
just finished the game of thrones finale, was fucking gr8, saved the season since episodes 4 and 5 sucked
wish i felt this feeling after the LiS finale
>>122533076
>No visible living people
>No texts from Joyce, Warren, Kate, etc.
>No rescue teams or shelters
>No canonical survivors beyond Max and Chloe
inb4 "MUH BUDGET!"
>>122533263
I put heavy whipping cream in my coffee
>tfw Nikes
The Division Bell was pretty awesome.
>>122533129
You're forgetting that if she chooses to save Chloe, she never get's undeniable proof that she caused the storm. Guilt gains most of it's weight when you can prove your responsibility in a matter. In this case she chose to save a loved one rather than go back and see if letting her die would stop a tornado from happening. All she has to go off of are the words of a teenage c.uck that would probably say anything to get into Max's pants.
>>122533345
Was it really good? I gave up after that traitor bullshit happened, but I bought the season pass.
>>122533118
T b h, I just kinda come on here. Reddit is way too positive about shit that it makes me even more salty. I need a good blend of cute/happy posting and criticism/anger to get by after the ending. Tumblr depends largely on who you surround yourself with. Twitter is difficult if you don't have a particular circle of friends.
>>122533263
That sounds cool. Oregon seems like a chill place. It also seems generally accepting of diversity, or more like people just don't really care and mind their business. I could be wrong, but it seems that way and generally pretty chill.
I know that LA is a...particular city and I'd honestly get intimidated by the type of people in it. I probably will end up moving to California though because I want to join the industry, so I dunno. I also like the weather as a Floridian who hates the cold and would suffer in any other state.
>>122533345
It's not showing up on Steam. Is there an early release for the consoles or something?
>>122533263
california anon here, i went to portland once for a few days and absolutely fucking loved it, maybe i should do what you did
>>122533565
>sacrifice Chloe
>your last thoughts before getting consumed by a freak tornado which was forecasted 4 hours ago by the weather channel but you're too stupid to run instead you actually went closer by going to that stupid ass lighthouse, is that Chloe died scared alone and angry
This should have been the sacrifice Chloe ending, which shows how stupid sacrificing Chloe would be.
>>122533263
I really want to move there. And drive trains.
Seriously, that's my dream.
>>122533395
>it takes more budget to erase buildings completely and replace them with piles of wood than to alter their appearance to look like they were damaged by a storm
And as much as I hate them for doing it, they explicitly said they left all of that information out to keep it a mystery because if we were willing to save Chloe at the cost of any number of people dying in the storm, we shouldn't care about learning their fates in the ending (which is complete BS, but there it is...)
>>122534043
Your bait has no power here.
>>122533841
Oregon is awesome. The game captured it very well, I went to Frisco for a friend's art exhibit and I hated it. People don't respect you nor your opinion, the clubs are pretentious I would rather hop into a Portland Speakeasy than the busy clubs with a freaking covercharge and $30 drinks spewing rap or whatever popshit that's on the charts that week.
Am I the only one who thought Daniel had a thing for Max?
>>122533067
Yeah we've accepted itas shit
>>122534043
thanks for bumping
>>122534257
i didn't get that at all
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11574957/1/End-Hospital
>>122534257
Who the fuck is Daniel?
>>122533067
I've moved from anger, back to depression.
>>122534476
The fat kid who was being bullied. I just thought it was weird how he drew Max's portrait...
>>122534476
Retard.
>>122534461
>rowanred81
>>122534062
In a way I kind of agree with them. I respect baefags who are firm in their position that they'd sacrifice everyone else far more than the ones who weasel around the issue by saying no one actually died.
>>122534634
Retard.
>>122534062
That's complete BS... Just because I love someone more that I wouldn't sacrifice them doesn't mean I don't give a fuck about the person that I sacrifice to take their place. Fuck that response.
>>122534692
Shut up retard.
>>122534690
I support it in both directions. I know for a fact that I--just like almost anyone else--would never give up a dear loved one for the lives of thousands of strangers, and in a situation like this the decision becomes even less difficult because the aftermath clearly shows that not much was taken by the storm.
So...my first experience of LiS was through a crappy utuber's playthrough. Now I'll never get to experience the story for the first time the way it was meant to be.
He did everything wrong and deserves what he got. It was very satisfying to see him get his shit pushed in by that loser.
Is the rest of the gameplay good enough to still play through all of it despite the ending?
>tfw during the Paris shootings people were busy on the phones trying to contact their friends and loved ones
>tfw I am the only one at work who didn't have anyone to call
Shit is depressing, it can only get better from here right?
>>122535672
>gameplay
Not sure what you're expecting. This game's draw is the characters and atmosphere. Yes though it is worth playing despite the ending.
>>122534461
>>122534158
>>122533894
>>122533020
T-that's forbidden love
>>122535385
He didn't ask for overbearing and suffocating parents who don't really love him.
He didn't ask for a crazed madman to come use and take advantage of his vulnerable state.
He didn't ask for a society who refuses to accept him.
He didn't ask for any of that. If that isn't enough, he's clearly remorseful for what he did by game's end.
>>122536008
hi tumblr
>>122536068
What were u expecting?
>>122536008
Remorse doesn't remove his responsibility for killing Rachel, even if it wasn't intentional.
>>122536248
Well, yes, but what else is he supposed to do then? Does that mean everyone who accidentally commits manslaughter deserves to die?
>>122535385
i'd let warren stomp his face in every time
>>122536439
No, but it doesn't mean they should get complete sympathy and be exonerated from all the wrong doing they've done.
>>122535672
No, it's trash.
>>122535284
Well, first it's not only strangers. Then depending on your playthrough Max's relationship to Chloe can be something more distanced and neutral too. Still pretty close, but not necessarily the "soulmate" type of thing... I mean, a playthrough is possible where her ~actual~ love interest would be dying in that storm.
And then you have Chloe suggesting to let her die. Of course she didn't want to die there. But she wanted that rather than the alternative. It was an honest and selfless revelation she had, essentially THE ultimate act of the "good" Chloe we know she normally is. I mean, If I asked you whether you would die for you mother to go on living, and you decided you would sacrifize yourself for that - and then I said, no can do and killed your mother anyways, would that be the "obvious right thing" for me to do? Of course, neither is "the obvious right thing" to do and the premise is fucked up to begin with. But some bitch ass evil something (dontnod) put Max into that situation, and so I say fuck 'em and just decided as a player rather than a human being. Which is, bae, but then bay in a second playthrough.
>>122537665
That makes sense however if you need to rationalize it as "only a videogame" then DONTNOD failed don't you think?
>>122536735
This.
I'm not sure if I should be surprised or not at all the love Nathan gets. Because, even with his apology is genuine (which he only makes after he realises HE'S fucked too), it doesn't absolve all the other horrible shit he knowingly partook in. He undoubtably was being at least partly used, but he was also undoubtably there of his own free will for most of it. It was a joint venture, until Nathan started to lose his marbles.
But, fuck it, the tumblr crowd thinks of him as a cute little broken baby bird. Poor Nathan!
His character has some sympathetic elements. But the horrible shit he did far outweighs any of this. Heck, I could at least partly understand if they had included an actual redemption arc for him in the story - like if he was to save Max (or more likely, Victoria). But nope.
Did he deserve to die? Probably not? Hard to judge. I think most people agree that he belongs in jail.
>>122533591
Yes, it was gr8. 8/8. Awesome conclusion with a lot of tough choices.
>>122533775
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's only on Bone right now. Xbone is weird with episodic games, the store puts them up at 8pm the night before they're supposed to come out.
>>122537832
Depends. Of course they were always going to be morally unresolveable with any objectivity, but some people may assume firm perspective on these or feel convinced by either and then would not need to rationalize as a player but be content with what they would do as humans.
I mean, I get the intended messages in each ending, and they could be tragically beautiful/beautifully tragic. But they are just tragic to me and I can't resolve the moral dilemma for myself either. So I just go with both because I can.
>>122538162
As a Nathan fan, it's really all about the potential he had to be a unique, interesting character. He's taken part in all these horrible things, but it seemed like something bigger was going on behind the scenes. Canon Nathan is a mess though.
>>122538137
>Bay ending, several years later
>Max left AB after graduating Blackwell, working as a photographer, steadily building her portfolio and fame
>Comes back to Arcadia Bay and applies to the photography teacher position at Blackwell
>Gets accepted
>Same evening, drives to the old barn
>Police had it investigated, but they didn't destroy the bunker
>She slides her hand over the keypad, wiping of the dust
>Punches in the code she still remembers after all these years
>The door opens
>She goes inside
>It's empty and quiet, the equipment confiscated for the investigation, and electricity cut off years ago
>But it's there. And it's all hers now
>Several weeks later, a girl goes missing during the party
>She had short blue hair
>Later, she's found with a gunshot wound in her stomach
>The investigation takes several months
>By the time it got any results, Max is long gone, miraculously not leaving any traces behind
>Except for a few photos
>All of them of girls dying
>Bleeding out on the floor, screaming on the rail tracks, gasping for air as their lungs slowly fill with blood
>Police tries to search for Max, but it's futile
>It's almost as if she disappeared
>Two months later, a girl goes missing in San Francisco
A question about Nathan's involvement in Jefferson's business over the course of 2013:
So we know that Nathan initiated all the Rachel stuff on his own, and fucked it up. It's implied that Jefferson didn't play a role in it at all (Rachel's photos are all very different to Kate's/Max's?), but it's possible he helped bury her body given that Nathan is in the photograph at the junkyard.
From the cut letter in Episode 5 (pic related), it sounds like Jefferson had cut Nathan off. It was cut, so it's not canon, and that might not be exactly what it means anyway, but that's what I'm rolling with here anyway. In such a case, I wonder if our questions about Nathan's involvement's in Kate's drugging at the Vortex Club party on the 4th makes sense.
We know he didn't buy the required drugs before the party, and various folks have suggested that this implies Nathan didn't do the drugging. In which case, maybe Jefferson did it on his own? Of course, we KNOW that Nathan WAS involved somehow ... so perhaps he just happened to see that Kate was drugged, assumed Jefferson was at work, and tried to take Kate to the dark room on his own to prove he is still useful to Jefferson? Or something?
I think it's safe to say that Nathan wouldn't have been involved in kidnapping Victoria, given that they're best friends. So this would seem to further back up the idea that Jefferson had cut him off at this point. Similarly, Nathan's failed attempt at drugging Chloe works here too - at this point, Jefferson was off doing his own thing, and Nathan was trying to work his way back into Jefferson's good books ("look at this great work I did on this punk girl without your help!" and "look, I helped out with Kate even though you didn't ask!")
Does this make sense? I guess my main question is, if Jefferson/Nathan weren't working together for Kate, how does each of their involvement make sense? Who was doing what, when? We have some idea from David's files (for Nathan, at least), but not much ...
>>122538286
>Yes, it was gr8. 8/8.
Is this b8 ?
>>122539138
I love it.
>>122539138
Sign me the fuck up!
>>122539138
Max can be all sorts of fucked up especially her subconsciousness. For the pic I wish the hair didn't look so fake.
>>122539138
I like how your mind works anon.
>>122539138
This is incredible. Max does sound unintentionally crazy sometimes.
>>122539138
>if she is psycho there really is no way to catch her alive
>the police might be able to get a lucky headshot but that's about it
That concept is pretty awesome, I don't even care I want more of her. No videogame character has ever cling onto my emotions like her.
>>122539207
If Jefferson was doing her on his own, how did he drug her and how was he expecting to get her to the Dark Room himself? He might have shown to be comfortable letting himself be seen at these parties, but how would he get Kate out of there? Under the pretext that he's taking her to the ER? Either way, he'd be making himself pretty suspicious.
And then Nathan met up with Jefferson and later also bought more stuff from Frank, right? If Nathan had taken her by his own accord, then contacted Jefferson and met him at the gas station, wouldn't Jefferson have tried to cut him off again rather than involve him further? I dunno, your idea certainly makes sense, but I don't see how it would then sensically unfold. For all we know, his Chloe incident which I think otherwise would make for a strong argument was a sheer coincidence.
>>122539342
It still looks leagues better than her in-game Play-Doh hair.
>>122539207
>>122539864
Maybe Jefferson never planned to do Kate and it was Nathan that did everything, then contacted Jefferson when he already had her out of the party? Maybe Kate actually was just pretty drunk/on some party drug and Nathan pretended to take her to the ER, contacted Jefferson and they did what they did. Jefferson was maybe not planning on doing anymore at all for quite some time - thus they had to buy GHB.
Or does Jefferson specifically say anything about Kate that would suggest he wanted to do her anyway?
>>122535732
It will -- I'm sure, anon. Be glad that you weren't there, continue to live on, maybe even take some risks. Live fully and authentically and things will come down the road. I'm sure of it.
>>122540192
That's true... budget constraints I would love to have updated graphics and maybe an extended ending in a couple of years.
>>122540251
>Or does Jefferson specifically say anything about Kate that would suggest he wanted to do her anyway?
He did say something, let me see if it's specifically about Kate or not.
Besides, he had a folder with her name on it. He didn't have Chloe's folder, although Nathan managed to take a few shots. Kate seems like somebody who would catch his attention.
>>122540251
This would also kind of help to explain why Jefferson seems genuinely upset that Kate is so down. In the Dark Room he talks about her in good terms too if I remember correctly. And it would explain why Nathan was so delighted to see her on the roof. Jefferson was probably on his ass for risking everything with yet another fuck-up, but Kate killing herself mean it "worked out" after all.
Of course, this would put a different perspective to the relationship. While it's still possible like you say that he did all that to suck up to Jefferson and get on his good side again, make him proud and all that, it would then make Nathan the driving force behind Kate (and potentially Rachel) while Jefferson didn't really want to do that to them.
>>122540192
This is a much better looking example, were you the ones rendering? The other one is all unaturally wavy and not uniform.
>>122540192
It really doesn't. That picture looks like shit too.
KATEKATEKATEKATEKATEKATEKATEKATE
>>122540691
No, they were posted in the general by renderanon(s).
>>122540251
He does. Jefferson expresses a twisted affection for Kate as a potential muse and depending on whether or not she's alive or dead he either says that he might "pay her another visit" or that he regrets her death.
>>122540732
Is this the only Kate picture you post? It's getting boring.
>>122539864
The theory people were suggesting previously is that there was a third party involved. Somebody purchased the required drugs prior to the party (from Frank's logs, which the devs noted they put a lot of thought into), while Nathan only purchased party drugs. The idea is that Jefferson had taken on someone else to do the actual drugging ... only for Nathan to then realise Kate was drugged, and try to take her from the party herself. Said third party might not have noticed her leave, or not want to expose themselves to Nathan (at that point, only Jefferson would have known they were involved).
Then Nathan takes Kate. But because he didn't plan any of this, he didn't have enough to keep her under when he got to the dark room. Hence the need to call Frank, and Kate's drugging being seemingly botched (she woke up part way through). And if such a situation was what happened, it would make sense that Jefferson couldn't send him away at the dark room - he needed Nathan to get more drugs.
So it might work ... but there is a HUGE unknown ... who is the third party? Why is there zero evidence of them anywhere outside these connect-the-dots conspiracy theories based on Frank's notebook? It's an interesting idea, but there's just nothing concrete to go on, it seems.
>>122540251
I think it's implied that Kate was "planned". All the girls Jefferson planned on seemingly had some private connection. We know he was off photographing (and more?) with Rachel, he seemingly met up with Victoria in private near midnight in the days before her kidnapping ... and we know Kate was Jefferson's class assistant, so they spent a bit of time together.
>>122540885
Yeah, that sounds completely reasonable, because there are NEVER any in game inconsistencies so it clearly must mean something!
Get a fucking hobby.
>>122540634
>This would also kind of help to explain why Jefferson seems genuinely upset that Kate is so down.
I mean, it doesn't seem like Jefferson ever had the intention of actually killing anyone. Nathan just fucked up with Rachel, then he had to kill Max/Victoria/Nathan to cover his tracks after it all went tits up. I think it was clear that he did care about Rachel, Kate, Max, etc, to some extent ... just not enough to turn himself in, naturally.
>>122540251
Found it.
>Cue_E5_1C_DarkRoom_CHJefferson_Phase01_Jefferson_006="Unlike pure, sweet Kate Marsh, I don't believe in that bullshit. She could have been my masterpiece. The world is what an artist makes it... and my muse—"
>Cue_E5_1C_DarkRoom_CHJefferson_Phase01_Jefferson_007="She had a loaded weapon. This was clearly self-defense.|But that's what happens when you play with guns... or try to fuck with me.|It's better when they don't know... like pure, sweet Kate."
>Cue_E5_1C_DarkRoom_CHJefferson_Phase01_Jefferson_012="She'll certainly outlive you.|Who knows? Maybe I'll pay Kate a visit soon and test her faith again..."
The "It's better when they don't know... like pure sweet Kate" part implies he did have a hand in her kidnapping.
>>122540865
You don't like Kate, eh? Too bad mate, because that's the only picture I got on my phone and it's a qt one.
>>122541036
Did you miss this part?
>So it might work ... but there is a HUGE unknown ... who is the third party? Why is there zero evidence of them anywhere outside these connect-the-dots conspiracy theories based on Frank's notebook? It's an interesting idea, but there's just nothing concrete to go on, it seems.
But sure, I guess I should stop trying to discuss a video game in a thread about discussing that video game. :3 Hobby indeed!
Looking for good pricefield fics with minimum cringe
>>122541292
Wow, it's almost like you don't even read what you're typing in the post. Stay retarded, I guess. :3
Something that bugs me about Rachel's death being an accident caused by Nathan is that by removing the intent from the action it suggests that Jefferson was inexperienced with murder. How then is he able to come close to killing and covering up the deaths of four teenagers and one armed trained war veteran in the span of a night when he's essentially driving by the seat of his pants?
>>122541428
I'm not even sure what you're on about at this point. GG, I guess?
>>122541453
>covering up
We never saw him cover anything up. For all we know, he sucks at it.
But yeah, he seems too comfortable with murder for somebody who has never done it before. Maybe he feels detached from his "models" because he's always looking at them through the lens?
>>122541127
Well, of course I'm assuming he chose to get involved once Nathan contacted him. He was also being snide there. But yeah, it doesn't sound like he never wanted to do Kate. He probably had his eye on her, maybe that's why Nathan took the opportunity once it presented itself while Jefferson would have wanted to wait longer?
>>122541292
Ignore the rude people and write more.
>>122541384
There's one where Max was kidnapped by the government when she was 13 and was tortured and experimented on for 5 years until she escaped. That one was actually pretty good, I forgot what its called though.
>>122541902
Black Swan?
I got in a relationship around the time this game came out and got out of it around the time it ended. Feels really bad, /lisg/
>inb4 blog post
Christ. If anyone wants a quick shot of Nathan angst...
http://archiveofourown.org/works/5104631
It reads a little disjointed and delves into some non-canon territory, but this just fucking wrecked me when I got to the end.
>>122541973
Yea I think, it was pretty good for me anyways.
>>122541991
That sounds.....strangely appropriate considering just how shitty and unfulfilling Episode 5 was.
>>122541902
Wait why the fuck was she kidnapped by the government? This makes absolutely not sense.
>>122541075
But he didn't want to do her like that either, maybe. He rather wants them to just don't know about it (>>122541127), thus he doesn't want them to suffer either. So while he still could have had his eyes on Kate, he could still be upset that Nathan did her and they had to unprofesionally deal with the situationat hand and that lead to Kate getting hurt.
No idea, it's just playing with your initial idea that Jefferson cut Nathan out. Seeing Kate drunk/out of it at the party, Nathan knowing that Jefferson liked her or had his eye on her could have seen that as a prime opportunity to try and get back in with Mark.
>>122542090
Basically. It was a double whammy of "what the fuck was the point I wasted so much time and energy"
>>122542131
Because it's fanfiction?
>>122541453
Bugs the shit out of me too.
Also disrupts the flow of the reveals. In episode 4, Max and Chloe get themselves into trouble based on being seemingly misinformed that Nathan was the killer, only to find Jefferson was the real threat. Then in episode 5 it's just like "oh, no, it was still Nathan, just Jefferson's also shitty. But he's not a killer. Even though he literally just killed Chloe with the precision of a hitman, also just killed Nathan, is about to kill Max, and might kill Victoria. B-but he didn't kill Rachel, he's not a serial killer or something!"
It's just a total mess, what was even their intention in writing it this way?
Maybe they gave Rachel to Nathan just to put some blood on his hands by default so people wouldn't feel too bad that he can only either murder or get murdered in either ending. Because the end of ep4 just completely set it up to be Jefferson.
>>122542131
They kidnapped her and brainwashed her so she can tell the future or reverse it or some shit IDK...
>>122541453
>How then is he able to come close to killing and covering up the deaths of four teenagers and one armed trained war veteran in the span of a night when he's essentially driving by the seat of his pants?
Pretty much what >>122541721 said.
Nothing that Jefferson does in Ep4 and Ep5 are that outrageous. He knows what Max/Chloe are up to before they suspect him, and he sets a pretty reasonable trap for him. His sneaking up on them isn't particularly miraculous ... he just gets lucky in that he drugs Max first, otherwise he'd be at the ass-end of a rewind puzzle.
Getting Victoria in the car with him shouldn't have been a problem whatsoever, given what we saw in Ep3. At this point, Chloe is dead, and the two other girls are drugged and tied up. No problem.
Nathan is a bit more interesting, because he knows Jefferson is actively coming for him ... but we have no real context of his death. Given their relationship, it's plausible that Jefferson could have just called him to tell him that he wanted to be friends again ... maybe he would have fallen for it, leading to a quick, dumb death?
As for David ... Jefferson gets the jump on him, even when Max calls out. David doesn't really have any idea what's going on when he turns that corner, he's unfamiliar with the room, he's a bit zonked out from the first hit Jefferson gets in, etc. Nothing that Jefferson does in the fight scene seems terribly out of place either (he actually fumbles and panics a fair bit).
If he was setting Jokeresque traps and doing karate kicks and backflips in the dark room, I'd be more concerned. But overall, I think the way Jefferson gets everyone in Eps4 and 5 is pretty reasonable.
As for why he seems ok with all the murder ... ehh, he seems a bit of a psycho? A high-functioning psycho, but still. He's already been drugging/kidnapping dozens of girls (based on the number of folders), maybe it's just not THAT much of an extension, at the end of the day?
>>122536248
>>122542131
I think the government has a Spec Ops division made up of people with superpowers or something. They detect her using her powers at 13 years old when she saves William's life. They arrange for her parents' memories to be rewritten so that they barely remember her and think she's at some boarding school. I only really skimmed through each chapter and I'm not sure how they've kept superpowers from becoming public knowledge.
>>122542546
In one of the latest chapters Chloe literally finds out about them all on google, so I guess it's all brushed off as conspiracy theory shit?
>>122542447
>and he sets a pretty reasonable trap for him
Aside from the fact that Nathan contacts Max before they reach the junkyard, and it's only due to some fucking miraculous luck that she doesn't notice his message right away.
>Getting Victoria in the car with him shouldn't have been a problem whatsoever, given what we saw in Ep3.
But there really isn't any reason for her to come to him. She knows Nathan, she knows what he is capable of (to some extent). Max tells her that Nathan drugged Kate by spiking her drink, so now she only needs to stay with her friends and watch what she's drinking.
Not to mention that no matter whether Jefferson is busy with kidnapping Victoria or not, he still manages to ambush Max and Chloe despite them being ahead of him.
> he's unfamiliar with the room
The way he enters the room is moronic for a supposedly trained ex-soldier. Even if you warn him, he's still careless enough to get hit from a doorway.
There even was a sort of plausible theory that the mo-cap for that scene was done for Frank/Nathan.
>>122542447
He may not have been doing martial arts and shit but the way he's portrayed gives off the vibe that he's a cold calculating killer when really he should be far more panicky.
Nathan knowing that Jefferson is coming for him and having the ability to contact Max makes any hope of his murder going smoothly borderline impossible. He's possibly armed, has a means of contacting his dad or the police, owns a vehicle and knows plenty of safe zones filled with witnesses. Any struggle or attempt at evasion could have completely derailed Jefferson's entire plan.
Victoria's death doesn't make a lot of sense once you remember that she only suspected Nathan and would have spread the word around that he was untrustworthy. Kidnapping her possibly minutes after they were publically seen together is an atrociously stupid idea but the game seems to be giving the impression that everything is going according to plan.
>>122543018
>Nathan knowing that Jefferson is coming for him and having the ability to contact Max makes any hope of his murder going smoothly borderline impossible. He's possibly armed, has a means of contacting his dad or the police, owns a vehicle and knows plenty of safe zones filled with witnesses.
He is also mentally broken and desperate. The reason he doesn't fight is because he wants to die.
>>122539207
>So we know that Nathan initiated all the Rachel stuff on his own, and fucked it up.
No, Jefferson definitely would have set that up. When Nathan went out on his own with Chloe, his set up was completely different, he took he back to his dorm room.
Rachel was taken straight to the dark room.
It's pretty heavily implied that Rachel was Nathan's first introduction to the dark room photography, there's no way he'd be so bold as to drag her back there on his own, only to puss out way down the line with Chloe.
And it just makes no sense for Nathan to bogart Jefferson's girl in an attempt to impress him.
He says in the note that he messed up with Rachel and wants to get back to working on projects like they used to, implying he and Jefferson had a 'legitimate' mentor/protege relationship working on normal photography before the dark room became a thing, and Nathan wants to go back to that.
Jefferson's been ignoring him for months and Nathan is becoming more and more desperate to get his attention, which inspires him to photograph Chloe - whether he wants to take good pictures for Mark, or practice so he'll do better, or relive the experience in his own domain where he's not under so much pressure, etc.
The way Mark talks about Nathan's shoot with Rachel also pretty much states he was there - that he saw how hard Nathan was trying, etc.
Jefferson 'gave' Rachel to Nathan, to let Nathan show him what he could do.
The 'furious' Rachel photo bears a strong resemblance to Chloe and Pompidou's awkward framing, and certainly captures the 'wrong' moment since she's far too lucid and powerful for Jefferson's MO that we see in Kate and Max's semi-conscious photos.
The way Jefferson dismisses Chloe as a punk slut, and goes on to say Rachel would have been eaten alive in LA, and how incredibly comfortable he is with murder in episode 5, it's also quite likely that he wanted her to die at her peak, and having it be at Nathan's hand would also ensure his loyalty.
>>122542840
>Aside from the fact that Nathan contacts Max before they reach the junkyard, and it's only due to some fucking miraculous luck that she doesn't notice his message right away.
True, but this isn't something Jefferson really has much control over at that point anyway. Regardless, it seems obvious that they were still oblivious to Jefferson during the party scene, which is when he sent the text to Chloe to set up the trap. So maybe he was worried he'd have to deal with them some other way, then just set up the simple ambush trap when he realised they were none the wiser? He may have gotten reallllly lucky, but I don't think this counts as being something that makes him some master planner.
Was it ever explained WHY Max never looked at her phone prior to the junkyard scene? I mean, she would have had to actively ignore Nathan's phone call, or if there is no reception prior to reaching Blackwell, the "missed call" alerts. The call came through at ~9pm didn't it? Do we know the rough times the girls arrived at/left the party?
>But there really isn't any reason for her to come to him.
There are a whole bunch of plausible explanations for how he'd manage to drug her (eg. "come back to my office, I'll give you the details of the flight to San Fran tomorrow") ... it's just hard to think of reasons that specifically relate to Max's conversation about Nathan. It seems inconsistent, but at the very least, I think we can all agree that Jefferson would have had no trouble getting Vic on her own afterwards.
>The way he enters the room is moronic for a supposedly trained ex-soldier. Even if you warn him, he's still careless enough to get hit from a doorway.
I'm totally reaching here, but didn't David describe himself as a bad soldier? I assume he didn't mean technically, but still. :P
>>122542546
This begs me to ask what the fuck is the point of Max's powers in the game besides not making yourself sound awkward as fuck or saying the wrong thing to some cunt? I mean the outcome for the entire game is basically the same, everyone dies. So who gives a fuck? Also why the fuck would the government find this power useful is beyond me.
>>122543236
>>122539207 (cont'd)
And as far as their drugging of Kate goes, it's likely Nathan's drugging Chloe did successfully get Jefferson's attention (if Jefferson knew about it, which isn't really dealt with either way). Rather than wanting to go back to old projects, Nathan's become desperate enough to show a willingness to participate in more dark room photography.
So Jefferson brings him in on drugging Kate.
Jefferson is at the Two Whales when Kate is drugged, and meets Nathan at the gas station to take her to the dark room - Nathan arrives first and Jefferson a few minutes later, so Nathan probably texted him that he'd arrived. There's no way Jefferson did that on his own.
As far as GHB goes, I suppose Jefferson simply had his own and gave it to Nathan - I guess the fact that Nathan didn't buy it on the night himself simply solidifies that it wasn't his plan, rather than that he isn't the one who did it.
Which still kind of bugs me, because Nathan's weird ass response in the diner when Max asks him about drugging Kate was one of those real "haha stupid gumshoe with your preconceptions, you have no fucking clue what's really happening," slap-in-the-face moments, only for it to turn out "lolno, he did drug her after all," and it's just like, what?
But that seems to be what went down.
>>122542840
>The way he enters the room is moronic for a supposedly trained ex-soldier. Even if you warn him, he's still careless enough to get hit from a doorway.
>There even was a sort of plausible theory that the mo-cap for that scene was done for Frank/Nathan
I think it's most likely that they wanted Max herself to have agency in her rescue (fair enough considering she is the player character) but they went about it in a really misguided way. 9 times out of 10 David would have dominated Jefferson in a fight. Even if he wasn't a very good soldier (I doubt it considering there's evidence of him saving one of his comrades) it strains belief that a middle-aged hipster art teacher could have been nearly as successful in a fight between the two as he was shown to be.
>>122543542
Maybe the universe decided Max needed a break after suffering from her severe autism so they gave her a retarded power.
>>122543018
Yeah, Nathan's seems the most open. If he had known Jefferson was coming for him, going to the police - or his father - seems like the obvious choice.
But like I said previously, we also know that Nathan was still wanting to get back into Jefferson's good books, and Jefferson knew how vulnerable Nathan was to their pseudo-father-son relationship. So I could imagine a scenario in which Jefferson gives Nathan a "friendly" call to say that he wants them to work things out ... only to then trick and ambush him ... or something. I think it's plausible, even if not likely.
But, yeah, Victoria's kidnapping certainly doesn't seem to make sense at the time. If he knows he has to deal with Max and Chloe, why bother to take her on the same night too? It's silly. But, regardless, I still think it would have been pretty easy to him to nab her (for whatever reason); certainly easier than the rest.
Conclusion: Jefferson a shit.
>>122543460
>Do we know the rough times the girls arrived at/left the party?
Kate texts you when you reach the VIP zone. It's 9:42 PM. Nathan's message should've reached Max by this point.
>>122543189
It's reasonable that it went down that way, but it's unreasonable for Jefferson to have counted on that - to allow Nathan to know ahead of time that he's about to die, then leave him alone with a phone, and potentially his car and gun.
But we don't know how Nathan knew his number was up, so it's possible that Jefferson didn't intend for him to know. It's still just a pretty astronomical convenience that Nathan found out in time to send a partially redemptive message, and that Max didn't hear it despite the fact that he sent it before she'd even arrived at the party.
The way Max's phone buzzed in Jefferson's car, it seemed to be suggesting Nathan called her while she was already trapped in the dark room with no signal to receive the message or something. They might have just bumped the time up to 9pm to make it so that Nathan was already dead by the time of the party focus, to prevent him from being saved and just simplify things.
>>122543236
I would agree with you, but didn't Jefferson basically tell Max that Nathan went rogue with Rachel? It SOUNDS like Jefferson wasn't in the dark room with them at the time (why wouldn't Jefferson stop him if he was fucking up the photos?), and wasn't there in time to prevent her from waking up (after seemingly having done this dozens of times in the past).
>The way Mark talks about Nathan's shoot with Rachel also pretty much states he was there - that he saw how hard Nathan was trying
I'm not sure this directly implies that Jefferson was physically there watching; just that Nathan was trying to mimic Jefferson's whole deal. Something he could comment on after the fact. But you may be correct, I'd need to listen to the dialogue again to reaffirm the context. Did he talk about watching Nathan physically framing the shots? I can't recall.
>it's also quite likely that he wanted her to die at her peak
I don't think this is the case. It certainly sounded like he regretted her death to me, even if just because it might come back to bite them. He made it sound like it may have been a mercy to her, but it definitely sounded like he regretted it.
>Jefferson is at the Two Whales when Kate is drugged, and meets Nathan at the gas station to take her to the dark room - Nathan arrives first and Jefferson a few minutes later, so Nathan probably texted him that he'd arrived. There's no way Jefferson did that on his own.
As far as GHB goes, I suppose Jefferson simply had his own and gave it to Nathan - I guess the fact that Nathan didn't buy it on the night himself simply solidifies that it wasn't his plan, rather than that he isn't the one who did it.
Yep, I think this still stands as the most likely explanation. Nathan not purchasing GHB before the party was never a solid smoking gun, though it is an interesting point of discussion, especially when mixed with the "Jefferson and Nathan arguing" stuff.
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>Jefferson gives Nathan a "friendly" call to say that he wants them to work things out ... only to then trick and ambush him
That's probably the most reasonable scenario but Nathan clearly believes that Jefferson is coming after him in the phonecall. The whole "mentally broken" excuse doesn't hold water. If Nathan did want to die he'd settle for shooting himself or overdosing on drugs. He wouldn't allow himself to be murdered (in a potentially painful manner) by a man he's afraid of. Expecting someone like Nathan to just go along with Jefferson's plans in a nice tidily manner after he's been presented throughout the game as an unstable fuck-up is just daft. If he couldn't be trusted to handle Rachel properly he's not going to be someone you could trust to willingly go to his own execution.
>>122544383
>If Nathan did want to die he'd settle for shooting himself or overdosing on drugs.
Killing yourself takes time, effort and courage. It's easy to just wait for your death to come, and Nathan is sure that Jefferson is going to kill him.
Not to mention that he might have thought of it as a... redemption of sorts. Suffering the same fate Rachel did, being drugged and then killed by a man they both trusted.
>>122543661
>I think it's most likely that they wanted Max herself to have agency in her rescue
I feel like they were going to have a lot of variation in who rescued her based on previous choices, with David being the cleanest choice if Max was cool with him. That way it's still due to Max's actions that he's able to save her, even if she doesn't have to do much to help in that particular set of circumstances (just like in ep4, when David's kicked out of the house it's pretty much just 'press x to get files', but it's a little harder if he's hanging around. The former rout doesn't feel cheap even though it's super easy, because it's still a direct payoff of previous choices).
But since things likely had to get simplified, David became the default saviour no matter what choice you'd made, and Max had to become a more active participant to make it not feel like a too much of a cheap cutscene escape, so David had to be dumbed down.
>>122544518
Waiting for the inevitability of death in the form of Jefferson is not something that Nathan would have the courage to do.
>>122544748
Taking actual control over his life is not something he would have the courage or willpower to do, either.
>>122543778
>But like I said previously, we also know that Nathan was still wanting to get back into Jefferson's good books, and Jefferson knew how vulnerable Nathan was to their pseudo-father-son relationship. So I could imagine a scenario in which Jefferson gives Nathan a "friendly" call to say that he wants them to work things out ... only to then trick and ambush him ... or something. I think it's plausible, even if not likely.
I actually imagine Jefferson did exactly that, and rather than inspiring hope, it's what tipped Nathan off that he was going to die and prompted him to call Max.
I mean the kid's been begging for attention for 6 months and out of the blue Jefferson wants to be pals again, pretty suspicious.
It'd just help to answer why Nathan knew he was going to die, without Jefferson simply being so moronic as to mention it.
If Victoria was kidnapped, she says that Jefferson was acting incredibly weird when she was speaking to him, so it seems his facade was crumbling. Nathan might have perceived it too.
Especially if Jefferson was talking to Nathan about going after Max, considering all the damning information Nathan has accidentally given her - seems fair for him to assume his and Max's silencing would go hand in hand.
How come everyone either wants, needs, or has a gun in Life is Strange and guns solve all the problems. They should just rename this game Life is Gun and give Max the ability to generate guns from thin air
>>122545175
Did a gun save Kate?
>>122545254
No, but it could have.
>>122545175
Well, a gun kind of causes the whole shit to go wrong to begin with, or so we are led to believe with Nathan accidentally shooting Chloe in an attempt to try and "regain" control with a gun as his tool and Max being compelled to save her.
>>122545175
max could've just shot the tornado
>>122544379
>but didn't Jefferson basically tell Max that Nathan went rogue with Rachel? It SOUNDS like Jefferson wasn't in the dark room with them at the time
How so?
He talks about how hard Nathan was trying with her as if he was there to see him fumbling. He has Rachel's photos in a binder with all his others.
It's 'ambiguous' thoigh (ie clunky, unclear writing). The evidence on either side of him being there/not being there is equally flimsy, I don't think we can say for sure either way based on his words.
But it just doesn't make sense to me on any level that Rachel wasn't done under Jefferson's guidance. (But then, neither of the endings exactly make sense and they're still canon, so who the fuck can tell at this point).
>and wasn't there in time to prevent her from waking up (after seemingly having done this dozens of times in the past).
Them waking up is actually part of the ritual:
Cue_E5_1B_DarkRoom_Insertion2_Jefferson_060="You're trying too hard. I know you're scared... You all have the same doe-eyed look when you wake up here... replaced by fear as you realize what's about to happen."
And I can't find a text line so this might have been cut, but when looking through the audiofiles I noted down this tidbit:
“They wake up here, I capture their fear, then put them back to sleep and they become pure again. You understand, Max?”
>>122545254
If Max gave Kate a gun on Tuesday morning and told her to waste those mother fuckers at Blackwell Academy it would have
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Remember when we used to discuss Nathan's jacket and searched for extra clues about the Dark Room conspiracy in his text messages. You know, back when we thought Episode 5 would shed light on the details of the operation. Weren't those great times?
>>122545308
Clearly, if Max had a gun at the start, she could have shot Nathan as soon as he produced his own gun, as a legitimate defense of Chloe.
Chloe really gets off on Max threatening deadly force against people too, so she'd probably unzip her jeans right there and let Max finger her next to Nathan's corpse.
Sean Prescott, having lost his son and hence only reason to keep Jefferson in his employ, would probably arrange to have him silenced to tidy up loose ends, and everyone would live happily ever after (except Nathan and Jefferson obv.)
>SEASON 2 ANNOUNCEMENT WHEN
>>122544383
>If Nathan did want to die he'd settle for shooting himself or overdosing on drugs. He wouldn't allow himself to be murdered (in a potentially painful manner) by a man he's afraid of.
The core of Nathan's character is that he's spineless, he lacks autonomy, he just goes along with other people's decisions and reacts to things, he doesn't take action himself.
It takes initiative to kill yourself, it takes a completely depleted sense of self to sit around and wait for someone to murder you. These are very different mindsets.
He didn't die because he wanted to, he died because Jefferson decided he should die, and as far as Nathan was concerned by this point, that was Jefferson's decision to make. If Nathan goes ahead and kills himself and Jefferson ends up changing his mind, that's some pretty severe disobedience. Best leave the decision to the boss unless he's given permission to do otherwise.
It's complete balls that Jefferson might have actually counted on this response from Nathan, since as you point out the kid's very unpredictable and unreliable, but since we don't know how Nathan knew he was about to get killed, we can't presume that Jefferson knew that Nathan knew. In that context, while awfully convenient for Jefferson and the writers, Nathan's actions taken in a vacuum are perfectly reasonable as a potential outcome.
Think about cultists who are coerced into committing suicide. They're willing to die because someone has decided it'd be for the best, but they're not suicidal. They'll happily drink poison on the night, but no way are they going to up and slit their wrists a moment sooner than they're supposed to. They don't want to die, they just want to do as they're told, because they've been convinced for one reason or another that it's the thing to do.
There's a great deal of difference between fighting to die, and not fighting death.
