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Fucking nobody wants to make a new thread edition
>What the fuck is this?
A general for all the realistic wargames out there that don't generate enough traffic to sustain their own generals.
>Old thread
>>121831516
>Attention grabbing search terms go here:
/wgg/, /fsg/, /mowg/, /mowassg/, /rtsg/, /ctag/, /dcsg/
>Example welcome games:
Wargame: Red Dragon
Combat Mission
Call to Arms
Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm
Graviteam Tactics
DCS: World
Theatre of War
Men of War
Falcon BMS
Command: Modern Air Naval Operations
Armored Brigade
Close Combat
Steel Beasts
Steel Panthers MBT
>Graviteam DLC:
http://pastebin.com/TwMLZQ6h
>Interesting history links:
Cold War military technology ads:
http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/military-ads-1980s
/wgg/ misc Cold War literature:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/zfm69f0k91pmf0y/wgg-lit-v1.3.rar
The Soviet Army: troops, organization & equipment
http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-3.pdf
USMC intelligence North Korea handbook:
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/nkor.pdf
>Steamgroups:
/wgg/ old group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VG-Wargamers
/wgg/ new group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dedgamededthread
Uralmod official group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Uralgraznomod
/wgg/ Men of War / Call to Arms Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ReReaGa
/fsg/ group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/flightsimgeneral
>Teamspeak server
uralmod.typefrag.com:7495
>Legacy Wargame General pasta and game-info repository:
http://pastebin.com/70Nwcb5m
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lon0cgmjfqwq1oi/WargameRD_Hidden_Knowledge_Spreadsheet.xlsx?dl=0
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UvBiH3lrCFzLYnRzNzF49yVtaNHYLfi7dgMpNE517RM/
GOOD LUCK LT
>>122268126
You did good.
Third for DDR
>>122268619
Fourth for field mods.
>>122268826
Fifth for actual wargames
Sixth for healthy online communities.
Seventh forNSFW Planeposting
eighth for quality discussing in this general.
9th for plane posting being such egocentric shitters that they never put wargame in the image of the OP and even moved /fsg/ as the second tag insted of the last when they added it.
>>122271929
It's almost like it's wargames general, and not wargame general.
>>122272026
>FSX
>Wargames
pick one
/fsg/ fags get out
>>122272103
If you don't like /wgg/, make a Eugen-Wargame specific general.So we can have something to laugh at.
>>122271929
Nice try pal, OP of the first WarGames General here:
>>100566046
Oh look you're full of shit.
>>122269427
i sure hope the F-18 will get buddy stores when it comes to DCStfw filling up your slut of a wingman
>>122272243
/fsg/ is guest in wargames general. Plane posting is nice, but this isn't a flight sim general, it's one of the only generals for tactical strategy games, plane posting should not be done at the expense of the original purpose of this thread.
>>122272853
It was nice when planeposters didn't antagonise the rest of the thread desu.
t.planeposter
>>122272853
>At the expense of the original purpose of this thread
>Has always been a listed game to be discussed
>Literally does nothing to stop you from posting about other games
desu you might be retarded, senpai.
>>122273107
>implying planefags don't troll, shitpost, and derail, serious wargame posts
>>122273283
>implying implications
>>122273283
The only one shitposting is you crying about some non-existant boogyman cyberbullying you out of talking about video games.
>>122273348
>being a meme
Feels good man
ded
>>122268126
Does Red Dragon include European battlefields or just Asian ones?
Also, has it been on sale recently?
Planeposters are at least better than CoH2fags, at least they're not incorrigible wehraboos
Why do I always have to use tons of infantry to have any chance of winning? Why aren't there any maps that are good for sitting there and tonking it out?
>>122283201
Because the growing lethality of ground-attack aircraft and infantry-portable ATGMs has put an end to the era of tank-column on tank-column warfare.
>>122272103
>implying DCS isn't a wargame and a sim at the same time
>>122284068
Combined arms *is* a wargame, just a terrible one.
>>122283905
Oh, I forgot the other one.
Artillery.
Massed artillery.
Pretty much every fun wargame I've ever played that covers modern-ish warfare tends to downplay the sheer destructive force of MLRS. In reality even a BM-21 barrage using cookie-cutter HE warheads will give tank columns a big headache. Look up combat footage from Ukraine if you have any doubt, you'll see wrecks of whole Ukie armored companies still in formation that were wasted by Grads.
So what's the verdict on Flashpoint Campaigns then? Worth getting during the sale with the DLC?
Can someone share a decent Chinese/RD deck?
How do I improve this deck?
>>122295507
wow look at all those meme units.
fresh memes
>>122295736
>wehraboos/poltards are this delusional
>page 10
post dank DCS screenshots
>>122298497
>proximity fuse
ggwp
>>122298507
Bumping with /wgg/s favourite painting, or so it seems.
>>122268126
>new general
>pic of plane
>again
[TRIGGERED]
>>122295507
>infantry
Bring Spetsnaz in BTR-D
Switch Motostrelki in MT-LBV for something else, because Motostrelki suck. Options are Morskaya'90, some infantry in helis, or something else.
>support
Remove Pion, add Msta.
Remove either Shilka or OSA, add Strela (the better one). Maybe switch the second one for Buk (better one).
I'd take regular Nonas, but that's your call.
>tank
T-72 sucks, I prefer 72A as my span tank. You already have T-80, so you can take both or get something heavier.
I like T-80U better that T-72B Obr 1989, but i don't remember what exact stats arer better/worse
>recon
I'd take either the cheaper recon chopper or Ka-52
Both Razvedka and VMF in BTRs seem redundant, I'd take VMF in helis (Ka-whatever). BRM-1K wasn't that useful to me, I'd take something else. BRDM-2, T-55, GRU are all good options.
>vehicle
I'd switch Norov for napalm tank
>helo
decent, but since it doesn't look like you'll be doing any helo rushes and you have decent AA, so I'd take Mi-24P instead.
>plane
Drop Yak, get either MiG-25PD or Su-27PU.
Drop one of MiG-27s, get SEAD MiG.
>>122299339
Get with the times, gramps
>>122300284
>remove osa
>>122299339
>Stop liking what I don't like!
Then make the OP next time ya sperg. Last thread was getting ready to 404 way past bump limit because no one was making new threads. DCS has been the general flavor of the week so of course it's going to end up in an OP.
>>122289949
Ask and ye shall recieve.
>>122300284
>napalm tank
zhalos are way more useful for fire support
>>122304940
decent deck, but your INF is all shitty. You need some cheep spam.
>>122305264
1 card of luzhandi's is probably enough.
PLANES
>>122305557
I agree
did 104th disable the retarded distance model scaling yet
>>122305689
They can't until ED adds it as an editor option.
>>122296093
It's not like it's out of place here.old memes
>>122282331
Nice imposter settings
>>122305689
>playing on 104th
>not playing based mig vs sabre
What are the most efficient ways to remove infantry from towns? I've tried flame tanks but they usually just get totalled by RPGs
>>122311591Nuclear Weapons
Any tips on how to best use the Su25 on SEAD? That practice mission is kicking my ass.
>>122312017
Fly low to stay below the radar with terrain masking, pop up, fire, pop back down and evade
>>122311701
got you covered senpai
>>122312017
you do know that those harms are f&f, right?
just pop one off and 180 out of range.
>>122311591
there is none. Cut the town off from reinforcements then meatgrinder what's left if you can't just ignore them and keep moving up.
>paintings and drawings instead of pictures
My dick approves.
In light of the recent events
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qgXdFToPyk
>>122313240
What does this have to do with recent events
>>122304118
I don't mind seeing planes but EVERYTIEM OP picture is a plane.
>>122313375
>wargames general
>picture is real life military hardware
>hardware is in wargame but not in DCS currently (iirc)
>muh /fsg/ bias
This is something stupid to get butthurt about
>>122314695
These kinds of images and videos kind of scare me. like damn
>>122315021
The fact that mankind has achieved the kind of power to be able to wipe itself out in about 30 minutes is pretty scary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2I66dHbSRA
>>122311591
Point blank shots with Chinese BM-24 works wonders. 2 of them cost less than burrito but about as good.
Burrito is 1/card, BM-24 is 8 per in Chinese national. If you have the points, a 4 stack basically removes all infantry and light vehicles from the area.
Eugen so goddamn french and so goddamn lazy they literally naming niggas 'Le'
>>122313375
How is this different from the endless spam of slavshit ground vehicles before it? It's just an OP image, who gives a fuck? This isn't your hugbox.
>>122318212
Like if your remember John Doe :^)
is there any mod for flashpoint red storm that gives the .50 cal AP so it destroys brdms, bmps etc
>>122320682
It HAS AP, a value of 1. If you think it deserves more you can always open up a spreadsheet and change it to '2'.
>>122321219
i just put 4 m2 teams in the open against a section of brdms, they only destroyed them when they got in nade range. not sure whats going on
>>122321450
The scale is 500 meters from hex center-to-hex center. I wouldn't expect MGs to have terrible deadliness outside that range. So it's fine, they shouldn't do too much beyond 2 hexes.
based 9M119
>>122321601
sorry but, where do i find the spreadsheet?
>>122322291
Steamapps -> Common -> Flashpoint Campaigns Red Storm -> Modules -> Data -> American -> American-USER (Do not tamper with the other file)
>>122311591
The majority of towns are small enough that you can leverage fire support and/or go around. For those that aren't, you can still occupy the outermost layer yourself and make it semi-safe for your vehicles to go around without being sniped by ATGM or spotted continuously.
>Absolutely demolishing a total destruction game with a guy I met in a previous match
>3500 points - 2300
>Servers crash
>Minor Defeat
BAN ALL MEME UNITS
Where were you when ISIS bombed Eugen HQ?
DELETE THE BRDM-3
>>122295507
Redo the entire vehicle and recon sections, and most of the tank and inf ones as well.
>>122295736
True from a certain point of view. Britain and France declared war on Germany, in response to German aggression against the Poles.
Could have stayed a localized conflict between Germany and Poland (and USSR and Poland), later turning into Germany vs USSR.
How do I improve this? It's been doing really well for me but I need to make it the best of all time.
Those are airborne 90s btw, I don't know if the regular airbornes are better
>>122332108
>not putting one cv inf in helo
>paladin
>no atacms
>wrong bradley
>>122332574
>Paladin being a bad choice
>Recce bradley being a bad choice
>>122332108
Drop something and get a card of Reece, Rangers or seals.
>>122332849
/wgg/ has a dank meme that all howitzers are bad. Also the pally is the second worst high end howitser, ahead of only the msta-m. Personally I still run them in US decks over the Memetacms though.
>>122332849
He has the cheap recce Bradley you fuckwit
>>122333345
It's still pretty good, really cost effective.
>>122333306
Why is the Pally bad?
R-27ER's have disgusting range at 11km altitude
>>122334364
Long, slow barrage.
How are you supposed to use the ATACMS?
It's cluster so you can only use it against armour, and it's so ridiculously slow any armour will have moved by the time you aim it, or will move when they see the slow ass rocket in flight
>>122335464
>ridiculously slow
Heh.
>>122335616
I've only used it in one game and it took about a minute and a half to aim
>>122335464
Snipe as and tanks while the are sitting still.
>>122318212
>yfw when your name is in the database for units.
>Try to play 3 games
>Servers crash during each one
>Each results in a minor defeat despite having the higher score
I wish I could post the full AAR right now. But each entry is like writing a book page.
It'll be a handful of days.
>>122335464
You just target ground where a superheavy or AA piece is and hope the enemy doesn't notice the missile while it is flying.
>>122341395
What's so good about it then?
>>122342415
the ATACMS is useless against anyone who isn't retarded.
203mm artillery will be 5x more useful in its capabilities, and can do the job of the ATACMS 95% of the time anyway
ATACMS is a shit. The only people who complain about it are slavaboos who can't micro their meme units properly.
>>122342651
Oh. Well that's that then. Everyone talks about it like it's the darling angel of the US artillery so I thought there was something I was missing.
>>122342859
ATACMS will usually get kills and when it does they will be very juicy ones. Even against good players it is guaranteed to make its cost back, but its hard to get much of an advantage with it and it is frustrating to use because it depends more on the opponent than you.
Yes its a unit that is 100% countered by perfect micro; luckily, no player has perfect micro.
>>122334364
Paladin is the worst "advanced" artillery by a ton, I think it's even worse than MSTA.
Paladin shoots a 5 round burst in 40 seconds, which is fucking awful. If your opponent is on the ball, he can counterbattery a Paladin on a "shoot-shift-fast move" command, since 40 seconds is enough for Smerch to aim, fire, and have the rockets arrive. Even worse, the 10 second delay between rounds is enough for trained units (like all support tab units) to recover from a stun and move out of the danger zone.
Just for comparison.
MSTA-S 5 rounds in 35 seconds, 7.5 sec/shot
CAESAR 6 rounds in 30 seconds, 5s/shot
AS-90 3 shots in 6 seconds, 2s/shot
Ondava 10 rounds in 75 seconds, 7.5s/shot . Ondava is another arty that isn't perfectly save with a queued move-fast.
Just for shits and giggles
Bkan-1C 14 rounds in 42 seconds, 3s/round.
So yeah, a single CAESAR/AS-90/Bkan shits as many/more rounds than 2 Paladins.
Paladin should be 110 points, MSTA/Ondava 120, and all the Euroshit arty 150-160 points. Bkan should be 1 card of 1 just like ATACMS/Smerch.
>>122311591
SU-24M and your own infantry.
For those of you who play DCS: How am I supposed to aim this thing? That is, what do I place on the aircraft I'm shooting down? The red dot, the blue dot, the yellow line? Or what? Sorry in advance for the bad screenshot quality.
>>122346340
>playing with labels
>not reading the manual
With an enemy locked (gun mode locks targets infront of you automatically), the gun reticule (spiky circle) will adjust for your targets speed, so position its center point (your red dot) on top of the target and you should hit unless he manouvers immediately
>>122345463
get the fuck out of here with your logical balance suggestions, this is a Eugen game
Priyad is a sub-par player, you shouldn't respect him.
>>122332108
>Two infantry CV's in trucks
>Only three recon units when you're playing US, which has one of the most robust recon tabs in the game
>Wrong Bradley
>A-10, the slowest plane in the game and radar missile bait
I'd also drop the Centurion Marksman and get a card of that HUMMV with the stinger's on the back, I forget what it's called. They're some of the fastest AA units in the game, and that means they have the potential to intercept a rush.
>>122346965
Thanks.
>>122348056
Thank you to everyone that replied.
I ended up putting in a card of seals, switched bradleys, put TACOM in a blackhawk and switched out the A-10 with a cluster bomb aardvark
AUFERSTANDEN
>>122350152
Might be just me, but I think SEALS are a dated unit.
They were fantastic when they were 25 points, but at 35 points they feel out of their league. 35 point Infantry tab SF don't lose to SEALS by much, but have twice as many per card. Even Spetz GRU don't really lose to SEALS, and they get amazing AT launchers.
Seals were just right at 25 points, at 35 they are horribly overpriced.
I would just grab another card of Rangers.
What do you listen to when you play Wargames?
>>122353691
My friend complaining about hato bias.
>>122353691
Peturbator. I like the 80's style synth with the noir sort of themes. Kinda fits the whole 'apocalyptic war' setting, like something straight out of terminator. In fact, my favorite song of theirs spoofs the movie.Sometimes I'll hop on ArmA with this playing, turn the clock to dusk with heavy overcast for the whole twilight lighting that was so generic in these sort of apocalyptic war settings in 80's movies, and just spawn a bunch of US and Russian units to go at it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0kg80jAtI8
>>122354214
>perturbator
Good taste. I suggest you look up lazerhawk and dance with the dead.
>>122353691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mlUSI5-Jhk
no other choice desu senpai
>>122353691
I find The Post War Dream by Pink Floyd is pretty fitting for RD.
When I play DCS I play shit like danger zone and push it to the limit
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=549894619&searchtext=
Hey guys not trying to be attention whore or nothing. But could ya please download my missions and tell me what you like and dislike?
I am making more. And got some poland vs germ and a war saw map. After that i got a France vs ger and russia vs germany in sewers fighting.
Please download em and play em. It will help me out a lot at getting better.
>>122354512
Already tracking Lazerhawk, but thanks for pointing me to dance with the dead. I love future synth.
>>122354214
Carpenter brut comes to mind.
Great music in general, as well as having made the arguably best parts of the Hotline Miami soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kepM786FU54
>>122355845
>>122355570
>>122354606
>>122354512
>>122354214
>>122353691
Between the Hotline Miami 2 soundtrack, and GTA V nightride, you're basically covered for good music of the genre for a solid few hours
>>122355845
That music video. My fucking sides.
>>122354214
Yo dude, where's that gif from?
I need to know because of reasons.
>>122356791
Unfortunately don't know. Got it from an earlier /wgg/ thread.
Why do people like the type63 when play north korea?
>>122358406
it's a stealth tank
>>122358406
It has good stats and is invisible.
>>122358529
>>122358570
every recon vehicle has medium stealth, no?
>>122358587
Yes.
>>122359562
so it doesn't have more stealth than anything else
>>122345463
Are you sure about the salvo lengths? I always assumed that the paladin, msta-s and ondava had 10 rounds bursts.
>>122358303
Damn, well thanks anyway
The french anthem is pretty hardcore holy shit. East Germany sings about rising from the ruins while France wants to spill unclean blood.
In remembrance of the Paris attacks I made this deck, r8 and h8.
>>122363026
>Repulique
>>122363095
Ayy I fucked up renaming now.
>>122360589
Yep, Paladin and MSTA are 5, Ondava is 10.
Paladin just seems like a 10 round salvo because it shoots so fucking slow.
Does it make sense to use Gvozdikas in RD? Can you use them the way the Soviets intended, as in have them right behind the main assault using direct LOS fire on their targets?
>>122365697
Lol no. Even mlrs are nerfed to shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFqYbMLofRM
>>122367150
https://youtu.be/v4C5wSOM9Z0
>>122372203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9xkxwSwJBs
>>122365697
Bascially non mlrs artillery is splti in 3 groups:
1) TOP ACCURACY 10S QUICK SCOPE GODS OF WAR like Paladin, Caesar, K9, Bkan, Ondava
2) shit tier useless slow as fuck supply wasters that can't hit shit and only good for celebration fireworks
3) mortars
but
>Can you use them the way the Soviets intended, as in have them right behind the main assault using direct LOS fire on their targets?
Yes, you can. You'll probably get rekt but you will get some cool feeling and have fun. Wargame is not about winning imo.
>>122372575
>wargame is not about winning
Oh boy here we go
>>122355224
>posting missions on steamcommunity
get out.
>>122359661
But it's a tank with stealth.
>>122372203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEopMj_N3nQ
>>122358406
20 pts:
- good recon
- medium stealth
- 1925 **KE** 11AP 40% gun
- small
- amphibious
Very decent for general recon and support. And 40% accuracy is pretty good by PACT standarts.
You don't have much choice when you play NK. BRDM-2 is not bad too but 10% kpvt is only good vs. 0-2 armor
I wish there was a good vietnam war game.
ISIS faction for Wargame when?
>>122375557
I wish there was a decent WWI game
>>122376070
you can simulate ww1 so well if you have a backyard. Go get a shovel, dig a hole and try to get an app that wakes you up at random times. If you can also have someone hit you in the head every once in a while to simulate shelling then you're good to go. Now go sit in that hole for a few years.
Extra points for putting 10-20 liters of water in yor ditch and poking holes in your boots.
>>122376070
You can already play ISIS, just play Australia and dont take any SAMs, tanks, helicopters or planes.
>>122376435
The same retarded response every time, games skip the waiting aspect you know.
>>122376435
What about the parts of the war in Russia, or in southeastern europe?
>>122376749
we'll never have games about the eastern front of ww1, just look at how long it took to get some about the ww2 eastern front and how retarded they are for the most part.
>>122376657
ww2 was about maneuver warfare, ww1 was an example of how people didn't understand reality and tactics, simulating that is not that fun. But try to tell me how you imagine it would work then.
>>122363026
Why do you have two missile teams?
>>122376749
>On August, 6th of 1915 the 3rd Assault of Osowiec began. At 4 am, the artillery barrage began and the German forces also started using poison gases against the Russian troops. After some time, thinking that none of the defenders have survived, the Germans started advancing. You can probably imagine their amazement when they saw Russia troops making their way out of the dark-green fog came out the Russian soldiers. They looked horrifying: maimed by the burns, covering their faces with rags, coughing up blood… But they didn’t surrender and were actually counter attacking. The surprise of the attack and their terrifying appearance put Germans in the state of shock and they retreated. About 60 Russian men repelled the offensive of three German infantry regiments. This was later called by European papers - "The attack of the dead men".
So Falcon BMS 4.33 just came out, and holy shit does it look great. The graphics are a huge leap forward from 4.32, though its basically unplayable on my rig.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcMOOOulhME
>>122363026
>Viva
Stop trying to act like you understand French
>>122383013
>Just came out
Its been out for almost two weeks now
>>122356791
>>122361707
Delivered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol_rkr2wISM
>>122383484
BASED HOLY SHIT
BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS SHIT FOR YEARS
HAVE A RARE WOODLAND FOXBAT
>>122384080
>Search Mig-25
>Pic is on the second row of images
Very rare
>>122363026
Don't bother with the garbage in the french veh tab. Downvet your weapons teams, drop the shitty special forces, take Legion 90 or sappers, get rid of those crappy autocannon armed VABs and take the stock ones, considered using the AMX-13 APC for your weapons teams. Drop a card of tanks and get any of more Ceatols, optical Roland, AMX-13/90s, Gazelle Cannons, or the exceptional ground recon truck. Use the panther for your helicopter transport, its really good.
>>122383484
I just love seeing how completely insane old animatiors were, new animation has nothing on this shit.
>>122383189
>Honoring an allied nations fallen
>HURR U DON'T UNDERSTAND FRANCÉ, STOP APPROPRIATING
Literally mudslime-tier post m8.
Also changed the name so it's correct.
>>122385887
Thanks, did some changes that you suggested.
There's been plenty of movies about soldiers on the ground in WW1 and WW2. But have any been done about a cold war era WW3?
>>122396247
Dr. Strangelove, it was supposed to be a comedy when it released. But after the cold war ended and we learned more about our nuclear programs, it ended up being more realistic than people might have intended. The movie is full of symbolism and also is quite funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuP6KbIsNK4
>>122376435
The western front was actually mostly maneuver warfare until the conflict bogged down by the winter of 1914. If you take a look at the battle of Ypres and the race to the sea, it's mostly about both Allied and Entate sides continuously trying to outflank the other in a fairly mobile conflict which resulted in extremely high casualties.
>>122376891
>WWI is le trench warfare meme
Just stop jesus christ. WWI had plenty of maneuver warfare, especially out east. It's only maybe the last half of the war where everyone digs in and locksdown.
>>122376657
>Time not spent waiting is spent running across open ground to get mowed down by artillery and machine gun fire.
>Only weapon 99% of people get is a bolt action rifle
>No vehicles
>Every map is basically the same thing, open fields and trenches.
Yeah, I really fucking wonder why no one does WW1.
>russian tanks are so shit that there are recorded t-72 losses to ww2 tanks
>>122383484
That's both amazing and kinda depressing. WW1 was still fresh in everyone's minds, and this cartoon came out with WW2 literally right around the corner. Imagine growing up as a kid in this time period, it must have felt like the world was ending.
Worth it?
>>122399172
To this day one of my all time favorite movies. It was both hilarious and quite scary now that we know what we do now. I can't imagine what it was like to see it in theaters when it came out.
>>122405409
Oh man, you want to talk about depressing?
Famous sci-fi author HG Wells was big into tabletop wargaming, he even wrote a rulebook of sorts called Little Wars.
Here's the closing section of the book
> And if I might for a moment trumpet! How much better is this amiable miniature than the Real Thing! Here is a homeopathic remedy for the imaginative strategist. Here is the premeditation, the thrill, the strain of accumulating victory or disaster—and no smashed nor sanguinary bodies, no shattered fine buildings nor devastated country sides, no petty cruelties, none of that awful universal boredom and embitterment, that tiresome delay or stoppage or embarrassment of every gracious, bold, sweet, and charming thing, that we who are old enough to remember a real modern war know to be the reality of belligerence. This world is for ample living; we want security and freedom; all of us in every country, except a few dull-witted, energetic bores, want to see the manhood of the world at something better than apeing the little lead toys our children buy in boxes. We want fine things made for mankind—splendid cities, open ways, more knowledge and power, and more and more and more—and so I offer my game, for a particular as well as a general end; and let us put this prancing monarch and that silly scare-monger, and these excitable "patriots," and those adventurers, and all the practitioners of Welt Politik, into one vast Temple of War, with cork carpets everywhere, and plenty of little trees and little houses to knock down, and cities and fortresses, and unlimited soldiers—tons, cellars-full—and let them lead their own lives there away from us.
>>122405974
>My game is just as good as their game, and saner by reason of its size. Here is War, done down to rational proportions, and yet out of the way of mankind, even as our fathers turned human sacrifices into the eating of little images and symbolic mouthfuls. For my own part, I am prepared. I have nearly five hundred men, more than a score of guns, and I twirl my moustache and hurl defiance eastward from my home in Essex across the narrow seas. Not only eastward. I would conclude this little discourse with one other disconcerting and exasperating sentence for the admirers and practitioners of Big War. I have never yet met in little battle any military gentleman, any captain, major, colonel, general, or eminent commander, who did not presently get into difficulties and confusions among even the elementary rules of the Battle. You have only to play at Little Wars three or four times to realise just what a blundering thing Great War must be.
>Great War is at present, I am convinced, not only the most expensive game in the universe, but it is a game out of all proportion. Not only are the masses of men and material and suffering and inconvenience too monstrously big for reason, but—the available heads we have for it, are too small. That, I think, is the most pacific realisation conceivable, and Little War brings you to it as nothing else but Great War can do.
The book was published in 1913
>>122406124
>>122405974
Utterly beautiful.
>>122406432
If I had my way those paragraphs would be the OP of every /wgg/
>>122405503
If 50$ is of little concern to you, yes
>>122405974
>>122406124
I deeply appreciate anyone who recognizes the absolute shit that real war is when talking about wargames
>>122407359
keep the "game" in wargame :^)
>>122407992
there's nothing worse than armchair generals screeching for conflict IRL
>>122408150
>Those retards that always get gungho about invading the entire middle east or fighting Russia over Ukraine because some MSM channel gets them riled up
>They will never actually join the military to go fight, themselves.
>>122407359
Which is funny, because all you need to do to realise how shit real war is is simply pay attention to what happens in your wargames. When an entire platoon of soldiers gets wiped out by a single bomb over a ping pong village somewhere in a desert you have to be a complete sociopath or a sheltered child not to come to the conclusion how terrible war is.
I always get mad when I see
a) burgers who think the USSR would've invaded West Germany given the chance or
b) slavaboos who think the USSR should've invaded West Germany given the chance
What ignorance of history and the Russian mentality
http://news.sky.com/story/1588256/france-drops-20-bombs-on-is-stronghold-raqqa
>mfw afterburners at night
>>122414695
With sound: https://i.pantsu.cat/masfkl.webm
>>122378630
>slavs
What the fuck is stopping Russia from flying 10 Tu-95's into ISIS territory and carpet bombing the living shit out of those ragheads?
>>122408983
Out of all the games i've played PR and DCS are really the only one that capture how fucked war is and especially modern war is.
>>122417303
Real life isn't command and conquer.
>>122418869
I mean, for fucks sake, the burgers bombed the living shit out of vietnam with B-52s, albeit it didn't work too well because of SAM's and MiG's and such. But ISIS has none of that. They could legit get away with razing entire cities with dumb bombs.
>>122419193
Because the indiscriminate killing of civilians worked so well in Afghanistan right.
>>122419193
Probably because North Vietnam was an actual country with government institutions, military bases, factories, warehouses, etc. The US also did this because they were trying to pressure Hanoi to sign the peace treaty. ISIS has none of that shit so by razing an entire city the most you'll do is kill a couple hundred fighters (along with thousands of civilians), and ISIS isn't interested in signing a peace treaty anytime soon
>>122419476
>>122417303
Also, ISIS would be very happy to see somebody carpetbomb a city; it'd be great propaganda for recruitment and fundraising
Also don't kid yourself, Russia doesn't give two shits about ISIS. They're there to prop up the Assad regime in Syria, nothing more.
>>122419193
carpet bombing alone doesn't do shit, it's been proven plenty of times
>>122419193
>Carpet bomb cities
>Kill shitloads of civilians
>To counter a guerrilla force.
Boy, you must have graduated from West Point.
>>122420391
kek
>>122420391
>American doctrine for clearing a city
Endless carpet bombing
>Russian doctrine for clearing a city
Feed tank divisions into the city
>>122424054
Results:
Vietnam is communist.
Chechnya is russian.
>>122426041
>Vietnam
You mean one of the most pro-American countries in the world?
>>122426125
>even communists hate your guts less than the rest of the world
>this is an achievement
>>122426284
>Even communists like the USA
>trying to twist this into some kind of bad thing
ded
>>122430201
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>>122430201
im writing
>>122394362
>You don't understand France
All I'm saying is that you're making a deck of units in a videogame to honour dead French people. That's pretty pathetic, on top of that you titled it in Spanish and misspelt French.
>>122394362
>Appropriating a deck of wargame units to victims of terrorism
Americans are so weird
>tfw back-capping
ded
>>122438441
should be named
>totally deserved it
>>122438441
Goddam, he looks like he just walked out of Auschwitz. Fucking cancer man.
>>122394362
France doesn't have an accent on the E. You can stop trying now. You're not French.
DCS question. I've noticed that when using FLOOD mode and AIM-7s, sometimes the AIM-7s will lose guidance even if my target is smack in the middle of the reticule. Is this because of ground clutter, or what? I've also noticed it happens mainly with planes about the size of a large fighter and below, but I have had it happen when firing at a TU-95 from the side.
>>122446174
FLOOD mode a shit, bro.
>>122446174
Apart from the fact that FLOOD is limited to a 12 degree cone and only effective at less than 10nm, you have to also take into consideration that the AIM-7 is also rather shitty.
If you really want to use sparrows, use STT in BVR mode, but in 99 cases out of 100, an AMRAAM will do the job better while giving you the freedom to go defensive or pursue other targets once it goes pitbull.
As i suspect you are the same guy with the gun question from yesterday, most of this is described well in the manual.
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/250300/manuals/F-15C%20DCS%20Flaming%20Cliffs%20Flight%20Manual%20EN.pdf
>>122446609
Well, I was firing at targets that were about 5nm away, and they were in the middle of the reticule, which I assume means that they were well in the cone, but the missiles still went off target sometimes. I can't find the reason it happens, it all seems very random. Yeah, I read the manual, it's just that it didn't give me a reason that my AIM-7s might be missing their targets. I guess I'll just use the AMRAAM from now on, those Sparrows are irritating.
>>122447128
Assuming you kept them within the cone for the entire flight, chaff and/or general shittyness of the sparrow is the likely culprit.
The only real reason to use an AIM-7 over an AIM-120 is when shooting into a furball to avoid it losing track and fusing on a friendly instead, but this happens so rarely it is hardly worth taking into consideration.
>>122447603
Fucking happens all the time.
>>122447906
Depends on what kind of server you are playing on, but unless it is more than 1 or 2 enemies, closing to sidewinder range is likely just as effective anyways, without sacrificing long range firepower.
>>122446174
>>122447906
The AIM-7 can be decoyed quite easily by chaff and it also seems to be more susceptible to doppler notching at close range in flood modes. STT very rarely ever gets notched at close ranges so just use an auto-acquire mode and launch that way instead of flood.
The idea behind flood is generally to fire when your opponent doesn't really know you're there as they don't get a missile launch warning or a lock tone, if they can see the missile launch or are already evasive then there is no point using flood mode.
>>122451002
>as they don't get a missile launch warning or a lock tone
I thought FLOOD was just beaming as much energy as possible into a narrow cone?
Didn't this use to give out launch warnings left and right wether you fired or not?
In the very least, it should be easily detected by any RWR
>>122451376
In my experience people never start to maneuver if I lock and fire on them in flood mode. Maybe that's them just being retards but I don't know. I do this frequently enough though that it's not just me getting lucky and always finding idiots while doing it.
I have never had anybody attempt to maneuver when using flood, ever unless we're already engaged in a fight and they see me launch the missile.
>>122451565
"The antenna is limited to a 12 degrees cone that is flooded with continuous wave (CW) energy. In Flood mode, the radar never actually locks onto the target; rather, the seeker in the missiles homes in on the target within the Flood reticule with the largest radar cross section (RCS)."
I've got to do some actual testing, but it sounds plausible i guess?
You should show up on their RWR in the very least, but since you never truely lock, they might not think much of it?
almost ded
>>122437510
This triggered my PTSD
>playing danes
>playing against retard
>loads of vehicles and tanks in forest
>send in 6 12 bomb cluster bombers
>entire forest now empty
>>122426125
This is irrelevant for the matter at hand, it's not like carpet bombing magically changed the minds of all vetnamese so that their next generations would subconsciously love the US, that is due to changing times and political situation.
>>122451769
Realistically it should give you a launch warning since all of the radars power is being put in a 12 degree cone.
in DCS however i don't think it even shows up on RWR.
>>122451376
>Didn't this use to give out launch warnings left and right wether you fired or not?
https://youtu.be/0OR7j8OTFuQ?t=2m46s
>>122458813
>ralfidude
>>122458813
>i don't know geography or names.
>Lul soo fooneh
>>122459651
It's okay we know you have no friends and dont understand banter.
>>122459651
/r9k/ is that way
>>122459918
>>122460035
Your humour is just terrible.
Maybe you can circle jerk more on reddit /fsg/
>>122462336
>implying that post was humor
>>122463058
it's okay you don't follow the continuity.
>>122463376
dealing with autism is serious business, it's very important that this thread has as little autism as possible.
>>122463458
then why are you still here?
>>122462336
Yes i'll go have fun with friends. Sounds like fun, hope you get to experience that as well sometime :)
>>122419193
>Just do it like the USA
Great idea, that'd be Russia's Afghanistan
>>122417413
>and DCS are really the only one that capture
How exactly does DCS do that?
>>122417413
>>122470521
Technology has gotten incredibly efficient at plinking huge amounts of human life out of existence in a very short timespan. Apart from PR and DCS there's also BMS which does that too.
CMBS is king of showing how efficient modern tools are at murder.
>>122470521
Because its a big map and the systems are well enough modeled.
IDK mang you need to play it, you get a oh shit moment at some point.
Like a smerch battery with DPICM falling on a town with enemy troops, and almost everything is obliterated.
Or an su-25 phasing a vehicle column out of existence in a second.
>>122470897
>Technology has gotten incredibly efficient at plinking huge amounts of human life out of existence in a very short timespan
Oh, that.
Well, duh. Been like that for a long time.
>>122471398
>IDK mang you need to play it
I do play it, it just didn't seem anything special compared to a lot of games when it comes to making you realize how shitty real war is.
>>122470897
I would have definitely picked RO2because at some points it hits close to home for personal experiences, but I can see where you're coming from. At the very least, DCS shows how easy it is to become utterly detached from mass-murder when you're only viewing it through a tiny black and white screen and pressing a button from miles away.
>>122471534
>I do play it, it just didn't seem anything special compared to a lot of games when it comes to making you realize how shitty real war is.
It's just the scale, of course you need to play missions that show modern armies going against each other, most of the missions in DCS are some turkey shoot fest, or ace combat coldwar edition.
>page 10
>>122475438
Americans at work, Yuropoors too busy being removed by kebab.
>>122476713
You mean cooking and eating. You should do the first more and the second less clapper.
>>122477398
>Burgers
>cooking
that implies intelligence.
>>122478029
>>122477398
I sure hope you're not British or German if you're talking shit about food.
>>122478217
Of course not mon amie
>>122478217
>>122478403
HONHONHON
>>122478217
German food is good you tasteless cunt.
It's English food that universally sucks.
And Americans can cook.
>>122481483
>German food is good
>>122481483
German food is the worst food there is, unless your food preference is solely based upon pork content.
We have a board for cooking you group of circle jerking etsy buying dingo eaters.
>>122481483
Franz pls, you eat so many potatoes that even your grenades could be used to mash them
How do I git gud with NATO decks?
Post good NATO decks btw preferably nation
bmp
>>122485745
What are you having problems with exactly? Most NATO options are solid
>>122489235
I always seem to get shit on by the enemy air.
>>122489303
Get decent IR aa, turn off radar AA to avoid SEAD, don't forget to get a spaag, it all boils down to micro and positioning
>>122485890
I hope you like planespam.
>>122493642
I'm shit at air. Will it be enough if I just right click on the enemy unit I wish to destroy?
>when the gruppenführer says you're going to crimea for some R&R, but you're actually going to Stalingrad
What to do?
>>122506850
Convert to communism
>>122506850
Call in the SCUD's
>>122506850
more infrantry, artillery
attack from left with those T-72s
and harden the fuck up
and harden the fuck up
Best tank of the cold war, hands down. Beats all it's competitors and even early T-80s
Assuming only tank vs tank battle, how many T-72 tanks could a M1A2 take on before being overwhelmed?
>>122512181
Would you rather fight one giant T-72, or a hundred tiny T-72s?
>>122512181
0,5
>>122512181
If the legends are true I guess it would go down like a true spartan. There would be a lot of lolipopped T-72s. Pic related. It would have to be about 100 or so, bu at that point the abrams would have ran out of ammo assuming all the shots penetrate which they likely would if they had purely HEAT and APFDS
>>122512181
One T-72BU
>>122512181
Considering the history of Soviet tanks facing Western tanks directly (such as T-34s going up against Tigers and Panthers at Prokhorovka), and the similarity in the relationship between M1A1 and T-72 to the relationship between the Tiger and T-34, I'd wager that much like WWII, it would take something like a 20:1 ratio for the Russians to be successful
>>122509616
>>122512181
>>122512339
>>122513512
This bait
This samefagging
This exhentai
Please leave.
>>122514043
>>122514076
>slavaboos can't handle the facts
>>122514076
>posting memes to evade burden of proof
fuck off Ivan
>>122514119
>>122514213
Please stop samefagging.
>>122512181
>Assuming only tank vs tank battle
That question doesn't make sense. You can't compare tanks performances like cars top speeds, or best midfielder in soccer.
T-72 and M1 were designed to a meet a military doctrine need, and to fit other complementary equipments.
T-72 was designed as fast, rugged, easy to operate, and were firstly designed for exploitation (deep operations doctrine).
M1 was designed as high technology (emphasis on sensors), mobile, survivable, Soviet tanks predators.
>>122514324
You first.
>>122514324
please fuck off, vatnik
>>122514369
I should add T-72 was designed when it was still the time when Soviet had 2 types of tanks, elite/T-64 (breakthrough) and line/T-72 (exploitation).
Comparing T-64 to M1 would have more sense.
>>122514369
>>122514632
Why are you seriously responding to bait?
Watch the meme posts with
>HUUR DURR VATNIK
>HURR DURR IVAN
>>122514958
Because I like my quality /wgg/
>>122496776
The deck he's posted is 3 cards of ASFs and 2 cards of bombers with guided bombs, so... yeah.
>>122515235
fuck off burger
>>122516921
>clearly destroyed from the inside, probably by crew
>meanwhile there are actual T-72s knocked out by T-34s
>>122506850
>lay FASCAM
>2A4s wander into minefield
>first platoon is easy prey for ATGMs and even loses one to T-55s
>second platoon is completely destroyed by mines
the only bad news now is that I have no FASCAM
>>122509616
>couldn't beat t-62
>>122496776
You can even shift-click on TWO enemy units you wish to destroy~!
>>122516461
The rookie viggens are the 10 AP cluster bombers senpai.
>>122516921
1 of 60 glorious T-80 destroyed by kebabs with $50 RPG-7 with 2.2 kg warhead.
Lol Tied just posted a "buff bmpt because BTR-90 is better" thread on Eugen forums.
Buff every transport, cuz they are all worse than BTR-90.
>>122528048
bmpt *is* utter shit
>>122528212
Compared to AGL transports, yea.
Compared to other vehicles it's decent. Slightly worse than SU-122/100, but better than everything else.
USSR is the last nation that needs a buff to anything.
>>122528819
Posted from my hard to use Eryx commands
>>122531067
True patriots don't use Eryx spam.
USA/CW/BD/RD for lyfe.
but rip my winrate.
Eryx is a disgusting piece of [s]Eurocentrism[/s] Eugenhonism, Eryx infantry needs to all cost 10 points more.
Muh 1995 ERYX is given out like candy to everyone and their grandmother (8 fucking units). 1996 Javelin doesn't make it onto one.
>>122531516
yeah it should have been a canada-only unit :^)
just getting into flight sim's with some FSX what stick should i get out of these?
Logitech 3d pro $57
Thrust-master t.16000m $86 delivered
Thrust-master t.flight HOTAS X $88
Would you like to know more?
meme units
>>122538317
Oh my, comrade. Does that imply cz-cn?
>>122539629
Li-Jian 90 and AGS-17, NEWA in Armored, Konkurs M, Strop 2 in CN Moto.
this needs to happen.
This plane's napalm bombs also do HE damage.
Are there any other units with unknown abilities like this?
>>122543083
Nope, this is a pretty underated plane.
>order air strikes
>suddenly it starts raining out of nowhere
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>122532957
Jesus those prices suck, where do you live
>>122545017
Australia ;_;
Why is Artillery considered the king of the battlefield?
>>122545094
... O-Oh
Are you getting a stick to just try out the game and then upgrade later on or do you plan on staying with the stick for a while?
If it's a disposable stick, logitech 3d, if you'll stick with it for a while, TM 16k. I personally wouldn't get the TM HOTAS X but if you really want the separate throttle, go for it I guess.
>>122545195
Because Infantry is the queen, and you know what kings do to queens
>>122545338
>tfw got a copy of fs2004 and a logitech 3d pro as a gift a decade ago
>tfw used it up until it stopped calibrating correctly a few months ago
rip in peace old friend ;_;7
>>122545338
Well I'm enjoying FSX with the 360 controller atm, I don't really want to buy multiple sticks though.
I asked >reddit cause those fags have a flight sim sub thingo and they all kinda liked the idea of the 3d pro.
I can pick up a 3d pro tomorrow other wise i have to order a t16k in.
>>122545471
The 3D pro is a good stick, especially for the low price. Only downside is you'll probably have to set a pretty large deadzone, especially for the rudder control depending on the luck of the stick you get.
>>122545596
I don't mind spending the extra $20 if the t16k is considerably more reliable and nicer though.
>>122545796
i will say this:
the ergonomics on the 3d pro are insane (if you're right handed). it feels like it was molded specifically for your hand.
if you're a lefty, get the t16k.
>>122545796
The TM 16k definitely has better build quality for all of the axis movements, it does have the downside of being ambidextrous so it's never super comfortable like the 3D like >>122546173 said but it's up to you whether you prefer the accuracy or the comfort.
The TM 16k also has an annoying as fuck LED in it which you either have to mod out or cover somehow as far as I know.
tfw no DCS mig-23
>>122550105
Doesn't the 21 already kinda have that 3rd gen fighter role covered except for the whole BVR thing?
>>122550339
yeah but it doesn't fill you with the same exhilaration as flying a swing-wing that could fall apart at any moment
>>122550415
>yeah but it doesn't fill you with the same exhilaration as flying a swing-wing
Yeah but the F-14 is already confir-
>that could fall apart at any moment
Oh, you got me there. You'd definitely need a MiG-21, then.
>>122550479
>mig-21
>swing wing
>>122543328
>>122550105
So is Flashpoint Campaigns fun? Would you recommend getting it?
>>122553127
If you're into Wargames, you're going to have a blast with it.
Maybe not so much if you're coming from an RTT like Red Dragon.
>>122553127
if you like social interaction then no, since 90% of the people who play that game apparently is in this thread and you can count them.
>>122553207
How complicated is it as a wargame?
>>122553276
Not very, at least until you start getting autistic and customizing the fuck out of it.
It lacks the tedious micromanagement of other titles, at least.
>>122553243
hey i play that game and last week i even talked to girl
>>122553367
That's good, I tried getting into Point of Attack 2 and that thing was so autismal in the micromanagement, stuff that no battalion commander would ever have to do himself.
oh hey it's their brigade HQ
victory soon, kameraden. just need to burn a few more kitties
>it's raining outside
>HQ says they're getting their asses kicked
>we're probably backing up a graveyard
>have to take this bridge
>stiff resistance by enemy infantry in the town, already lost a few tanks to ATGMs
>but slowly we'll overcome them
>about to cross bridge
>BANG BANG BANG BANG
>there's artillery fucking everywhere
>minelet deployment happens in our face so now we can't cross the bridge
>suddenly T-72s, T-72s everywhere
>there's fucking dozens of them, they swarm right over and through us
>at least knock out one jack in the box before we eat 5 shells from everywhere and die
such is the life of a tanker in europe
Aaaand that's game. 9th Panzerlehrbrigade is effectively destroyed as a combat unit, with only scraps of a 2A4 battalion escaping. Fassberg Air Base is secured and (with some help form the engies) will serve frontal aviation assets, documents from both the air base and the rheinmetall factory around unterlüß are being looked at.
Scenario's slightly overbalanced in favor of the Ossies, but it doesn't help that the AI isn't very smart (until it learns your tactics through kicking it's ass enough). Better game experiences are had by literally playing against yourself in hot seat mode.
Expect a full AAR of this scenario within a week or so.
>>122552985
It was a typo
>>122554414
How badly was the runway damaged?
>>122553419
I played the pirated version of this game once, and i almost felt my virginity comming back so i quickly put it aside.
The AFNORTH Motorized deck is pretty crazy good as well. Challenger 1 Mk2 backed up by NASAMS, Leopards1A5NO2 and great infantry? Noice.
>>122556589
>coming back
CHAAAAAD
>MiG-21
How the fuck do you even find anything with this radar? Half the time it can't even see or lock on to shit directly in front of me.
>>122558710
it was a typo
>>122543083
It's kinda shit though. Not much else to take in a czech national deck however.
RaReGa mod for MoW2 is on the steamworkshop, if anyone is interested in testing out the DeMarre Penetration method put into practice.
Should be working with the newest patch for MoW2
>>122356034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hyALGKwluA
>>122561632
All this future synth is making my DCS and Fallout times golden.I mean Fallout 4 is basically a bastardization of Bladerunner, after all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufQeq_2X614&feature=youtu.be
Oh shit secret DCS features, we SAM sim now.
>>122563913
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED OUT OF COMBINED ARMS
>>122563913
Oh man, that really takes me back to Dangerous Waters and its sonar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eemdq495Lxgincidentally, the game is on sale for the price of a coffee on Steam right now and well worth getting
Holy shit, no one warned me of how little fuel the MiG-21bis carries. I can't even touch afterburner without this shit falling out of the sky in five minutes. You guys weren't kidding when you said it wasn't a dogfighter. There's no way this thing could survive a manuever fight, it burns all it's fuel doing any sort of aggressive manuever and if that's not bad enough, it needs a high minimum speed.
>>122558908
It's not a search radar, the idea is GCI talks you onto the target. Your best bet is to spot the target visually and then use the radar for targeting lock and IFF. Fixed beam mode is your friend for locking targets up.
Those AI aircaft
>Blow up vert stab ailerons
No problem comrade ill just go and land.
>>122550339
I don't know about the other anon, but I want to see the MiG-23MLD flyable because it was the first "modern" Russian fighter. It set the precedents in terms of HUD, radar, and BVR that all following Russians follow. Stuff like putting the radar screen on the HUD, having a radar that can actually see further than you can, having an RWR worth a damn in the SPO-15 RWR, first Russian fighter to carry the powerful R-73, and carrying a pair of BVR missiles with complimentary seekers (R-23R/T, the precursor to the R-27R/T).
It'd be a really fun plane to fly, like a more capable MiG-21, but still old, rickety, and weird.
>>122566807
Gotcha, I'll give that a try. Pretty new to the module and it's a real handful, but that's kind of refreshing. I don't really care for ground attack craft so it's nice to finally get something with some sky-teeth that is a bit more demanding, but the MiG-21bis goes pretty far in the other direction, it's a straight up heart attack to fly, so many things can go wrong just moving around, and actual locking and firing feels like a wonky experience. It really makes you appreciate how simple it is to do something as small as locking onto a target and releasing a weapon in more modern aircraft.
>Having to know the size of your target that is a tiny dot in the distance and manually putting it in on a dumb little wheel.
>Having to flip all these switches just to change through weapons
>No real display telling you what you have
>HUD is a finnicky joke with a total lack of any useful information, may as well not exist 90% of the time
>Electronics seemingly have a mind of their own
>>122567391
Seems you aren't jedi enough to use it.
>>122567391
Don't worry about the target size dial, I just set it to 13 and leave it there. You're better off aiming guns with the fixed net anyway. As for HUD, it doesn't even have one!
>>122566298
The MiG-21 is all about going fast. It's why I love it so much.
As long as you keep your speed up (>700), and you're flying without the drop tank, the MiG-21 is actually surprisingly agile with the emergency afterburner engaged. Not that it's a huge accomplishment, but it can easily out-turn and dogfight F-15s if you stay fast.
MiG-21 can also accelerate so quickly without the drop tank and on emergency afterburner that if you're not careful you can flame your engine out within seconds because you'll reach the ~1300 IAS where your engine dies and needs to be air restarted. It's both amazing and silly that the MiG-21 airframe is so eager to go fast that it can so easily outpace its engine.
Oh, learn how to air restart engine. It's super easy. All you need to do is flip the air start switch up (it's near the fire extinguisher switch) and fly fast enough that the engines will spool up.
The rule of thumb with the MiG-21 is that almost every problem you might have in it can be solved by flying faster. Just don't fly so fast that you flame your engine out.
>>122568175
>MiG-21 can also accelerate so quickly without the drop tank and on emergency afterburner that if you're not careful you can flame your engine out within seconds because you'll reach the ~1300 IAS where your engine dies and needs to be air restarted.
This may be what's happening to me. I thought it was stupid as fuck that I was running out of fuel so quickly. Thanks for the heads up, now that I think about it, it always seemed to be an issue during aggressive manuevering, where I obviously have my afterburner on.
>>122567391
>Having to know the size of your target that is a tiny dot in the distance and manually putting it in on a dumb little wheel.
Like the other anon said, that's not really necessary and honestly I find the gunsight more trouble than it's worth when you need to use guns. I just use the fixed gunsight when I need to shoot something.
>Having to flip all these switches just to change through weapons
Honestly, the muscle memory you need to build of selecting your weapons is the most difficult part of learning and flying the MiG-21. Make sure pylons 1-4, and the IR/SAR switch are either bound to your stick, or memorize their keybinds.
>>122568175
We need a mig-25, where you fly so fast you explode.
>>122568778
>Make sure pylons 1-4, and the IR/SAR switch are either bound to your stick, or memorize their keybinds.
Well, I was looking for what to bind on some of my switches on the X-55, and after a few sorties, I know these are definitely going there. There is a lot you can get away with clicking on, but this is definitely not one of them.
>>122568964
Russian engineering is really something.
>>122568775
>it always seemed to be an issue during aggressive manuevering, where I obviously have my afterburner on.
Don't pull negative Gs either for too long. Also don't fly upside down for too long either.
>>122568775
In case you don't already know, afterburner is not the emergency afterburner.
There's a switch in front of the throttle that enables/disabled the emergency afterburner (also referred to as 2nd stage afterburner) that's basically like an afterburner for your afterburner. The MiG-21 gets dangerously fast with it on, and like I mentioned earlier you can flame your engine out in seconds because of how fast it'll accelerate in level flight or with a slight dive.
It only works when you're at low altitude, I think it's <3km but I don't remember exactly. You'll also drain fuel even quicker, but when you're in a dogfight and need that extra thrust you're not going to care.
Oh, and don't pull negative Gs. The reserve tank (which is the tank that directly feeds to the engine) is both gravity fed and tiny, so if you do any negative Gs for more than a few seconds you'll run the reserve tank dry and the engine will die.
Carpet bombing ISIS with Tu's when
>>122569381
Thanks, will keep that in mind.
>>122569639
I told you fucks
I told you Russia was gonna use the Bear's
Everyone called me a dumbass.
Who's the dumbass now?
>>122569639
>4 Su-30SM
>4 Su-34
I see Russia has deployed the majority of their modern aircraft
>>122567376
DCS needs F-4E and F-5E vs MiG-21BIS and MiG-23MLD. It's the perfect match up.
>>122572251
We're going to be halfway there in a few years or whenever BST finishes F-5E.
LNS have said in the past that they'd like to do a MiG-23, especially because a lot of work could be carried over from MiG-21, but if they did it would be after their current crop of 3 planes (F-14, heavily hinted at Viggen, and rumored Corsair).
>>122572251
Add in a MiG-27 (dual module with the 23?) and im completely sold.
Nothing beats BRRRTing so hard your plane falls apart.
>>122572251
To be honest though, the F-4E & MiG-23MLD are not contemporaries. The MLD was a very late modernisation of the crappy MiG-23 line using tech from the new MiG-29A.
Hell, the F-4 production run ended before manufacture of the MLD even started.
I'm trying to install the CUP for IL-2 1946, but I can't activate the things I need on JSGME yet because it keeps giving me a "stream read error" when I try and generate a snapshot beforehand.
Any ideas on what's wrong/how I can fix it? Google didn't give me anything helpful.
>russian plane engineering
>fuel gravity fed
>plane so fast the airframe fails
>so maneuverable it flips 90° instantly
>gun so powerful it rips the plane apart
>missile so agile it shoots rearwards
>>122575450
Russian equipment has alot of quirky character to it, that's what makes it so fun and interesting
>>122573741
>rumored Corsair
yfw it's aCorsair II
>>122577003
>mfw
It's been implied to be the WWII Corsair though. They showed the landing gear of a Zero sorta recently, presumably as an AI plane. Back when they were hinting at the F-14, they also had a dark image of a Corsair cockpit in the same picture.
>>122556589
Where the hell did you find a pirated version?
>>122556482
Not too badly.
Probably won't be serviceable until conditions make it actually save to store frontal aviation assets there.
It was a decisive victory, so we managed to capture most of the enemy documents there, as well as some F-4s and Tornadoes. Who knows, maybe we'll see some flying around with the mcdonalds logo on them
>>122580324
Game looks cool but the price seems too high to me
>>122579473
pirate bay
>>122493642
I tried this deck anon, and I got a lot of hate for playing solo Sweden and not a nordick coalition (no idea why), so nobody wanted to stay for a 4v4 but I managed to get a 3v3 going and it was pretty fun, though, the thing I found lacking about this deck was manpads, attack helicopters and aerial recon. The support cards are great.
>>122589365
Yeah recon helo are always useful and manpads are pretty legitimate given the poor quality of aa.
About gunships, well it's sweden.
Anyhow, I'm glad you had fun anon~
>ptz 59 is a prototype
>ptz 89 isn't
I'm not even complaining about balance I just think that's weird
>vasily with madmat-tier teasing
Here's the a beta release candidate version
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e1wm5ci4033phli/UralMod_2.1RC2.zip?dl=0
>Changes from 2.0a
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_pPqXyE2SvnVlYSijHSIUbLQBktiXaPtFNIjb2kff78/edit#gid=678467639
I won't bother writing up more, that'll have to wait for the full version. This is a beta version and there are still missing features such as cat B/C implementation for everyone other than USA/USSR/UK, but this version is 95% done
I'm eager to hear feedback,complaints, bug reports, concerns about abusable units, etc. Are the installers working? Are the uninstallers working? etc
Remember to back up your decks if care about them not getting trashed
>>122591234
Also, before you play with anyone, you should always remember to do a version check to prevent desync due to wrong version:
The version check for this version is:
-Chinese J-8C's PL-11 missiles have 50% accuracy
-Soviets have a T-80UD
>>122591234
The way those missiles are loaded physically hurts.
>>122589365
>getting alot of hate for playing a national deck
Is the wargame community really this autistic now, espically since nordicks are the most artifically buffed coalition in the game
fuck man, sometimes i feel like i should be handed a medal and a blowjob everytime i decide to play a redfor deck that isnt skillkor
>>122591838
Yeah I couldn't get the AIM-7s onto the fuselage. Blame Eugen and their retarded-ass system for hardpoints. There are a few snags like this sadly
>>122591234
holy shit uralmod is still alive?
>>122592671
It wasn't actively being worked on because nobody knew if the mappatch would kill us, it was never really dead
are we ever gonna get a full fidelity su27
its the most fun plane
>>122596293
How the heck did he not pick you up on radar?
>>122596749
People don't tend to scan the ground right under them, terrain masking was used to get close and under their radar and then go for the popup attack.
They were also too busy dicking around in formation to notice me.
did they fix the model distance scaling yet?
is 104th playable again?
>>122597326
See what do you mean by fix?
>>122597004
That's hilarious. I really need to git gud at the 21.
>>122597398
planes getting bigger the farther away they are
trucks the size of airfields
>>122597651
Yeah no that's still a thing.
>>122596293
>Raise your flag.webm
>>122597421
It's the best feeling to shoot down F-15s in the MiG-21.
>>122597326
I bet you fly an F-15.
>>122563913Now we just need servers to include AA slots and shit for people to use
>>122598370
>mfw I fly the F-15 but love the retarded model visibility
>>122573741
>Viggen
can't wait for all the swedish hohol, it's going to be terrible.
>>122545347
they submit to them
Learn history
I'm getting seriously mixed opinions
logitech 3d pro for $55 or thrustmaster t.16k for $85?
>>122610029
Save up for a better stick and play with PS3 controller in the meantime.
>>122610029
Oh wow, I'm sorry for those prices, because that's way too high for an entry level stick.
I haven't used either, but from hearsay I always hear that the Thrustmaster is a very accurate stick, much more accurate than you'd think for such a cheap stick, and has more buttons, but it's not as comfortable. If you have the money I guess the T16000 is better, but $85 is kind of ridiculous for a single entry level stick.
I don't recall anybody having T16000s break, while I have heard people talk about the Logitech sticks having bad deadzones that only get worse with age.
>>122610687
I think i'd almost be better off buying a stick off amazon if it wasn't for the different power plugs.
>>122611065
Power plugs? Does USB not exist where you live or something? You don't plug in joysticks or HOTAS.
>>122611250
We don't use USB in Europe you fat burger
>>122611250
wow i'm a dumbass, goodpoint.
Well I can get a t16k for $74 delivered off amazon which i guess is a bit cheaper or a hotas X for $70
>>122610029
just get a thrustmaster couger you poorfag
>>122611695
I'm not that serious about flight sims kek.
>>122610685
>PS3 controller
is this like a joke
"i really enjoy the xbox controller, but my hands werent getting sweaty enough already and boy, i would just love it if it was the size of a Taiwanese transvestites first dildo"
>>122611945
No it's not, it's a perfectly fine interim controller
>>122611795
THEN DON'T FLY
>getting 4 kills on a single lone-wolf flight on the 104th
#justSU27things
>>122612160
;_;
Russians are using strategic bombers in Syria.
Carpet bombing and Kh-101 missiles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igzjX1IKULw
>>122611473
>>122611582
What is even happening here?
No USB? what???
>>122612746
I was retarded and forgot joysticks just run off usb no wall power.
>>122612746
We genuinly don't use USB in Europe.
>>122612746
USB uses too much energy, we use PS2 for everything over here
>>122612930
I must live in some other europe then.
>>122613018
>x52 PS2 memes.
Figured I'm going to begin the next map.
I'm just wondering where. This area is 800 square kilometres, and I want to slice a 300 square kilometre area out of it.
Alright, help a man out.
How do I git gud at the SU-27 for DCS? I know it's supposed to be inherently unstable, but I wonder if there's someprotipsout there I should know.
Even for DCS in general.
>>122621447
I dunno, the Su-27 isn't hard to fly. Just make sure to trim it a lot so it flies level I guess.
>>122621447
fly REALLY high, swat people out of the sky at over 50km
I don't think this is the right place but how is Act of Aggression?
>>122622879
>>122621986
thanks folks
>>122623183
>how do you want your C&C senpai?
Just eugen my shit up
>>122621447
If you're talking about flying: just trim it out and NEVER push the stick forward too hard at ANY moment. It's really easy to get into an unrecoverable inverse stall on the SU-27.
If you're talking about combat: Learn to use both the sensors the aircraft has, the optical one is just a godsend.
Avoid BVRing with a F-15C as much as you possibly can. Doing so properly and efficiently with the SU-27 is outright impossible to achieve.
Don't fly too high. Be ready to get low at all moments, use terrain masking as much as possible and learn how to dogfight properly.
>>122621447
Are you talking about just flying it or fighting in it? Those are very different questions. If you mean just flying it then I'm not sure what would make it remotely difficult. Basically what I already said in >>122621986.
Fighting in it is a whole other story, and takes a lot of knowing the F-15's strengths and how to bait them into throwing them away. In general you shouldn't engage an F-15 in straight BVR because there's little chance you'll be able to guide in your missiles while at the same time dodging incoming AMRAAMs.
Fly low, through, and around mountains. Using terrain masking you can get F-15s to come closer to you, at which point you can lock and fire on them WVR using the EOS.
>>122622879
This only works if the F-15s don't ever decide to look up. If they do and fire an AMRAAM your way, you won't have the agility at that altitude to maneuver against it. Flying super high is engaging the F-15 on its own terms, and you never want to do that. It's better than you in BVR.
>>122637540
DCS Hind when?
Why do I have a fetish for third generation aircraft?
>>122647897
because they are sexy.
alright mig21 fags
how do I properly IFF targets in multiplayer plane deathmatch?
>>122644943
Probably whenever they get multi-seat junk panned out. There's no way they aren't going to eventually make one, it's guaranteed cash cow, like the A-10C.
>>122647897
Their quirkiness and style as superpowers were still fumbling about transitioning from WW2/Korean War-style jets to aircraft with advanced electronics and weapons. Couple that with stupidely huge budgets for contractors and you got a lot of experimental equipment and aircraft that went in strange directions, like geometric wings, delta wings, etc. They were bizarre and advanced, but at the same time, not quite as 'hand of god' as modern aircraft, and thus had to really play into specialized niches, meaning a wide variety of aircraft rather than a few great general-purpose ones.
It's the perfect recipe to end up with weird shit like the F-14, MiG-23,Electric Voodoo, Eukranoplane, and more. That's why it stands out so much more than any other generation of aircraft.
>>122648279
There's a switch for it at the bottom left corner of your radar filter section.
>>122648380
Right
But that requires the radar to actually pick the target up
And the plane I'm IFFing will just turn around and 120C my ass if it's hostile since that triggers their RWR
>>122648279
If your side has awacs he can just direct you to the nearest bandit.
>>122648463
Welcome to putting a 2nd gen aircraft retrofitted to be feasible in 3rd worlder conflicts against shitty 3rd gen aircraft...up against arguably the best aircraft of the end of the 4th gen. You're just gonna have to get close and confirm it visually, or flick on your radar only when you've got the shot. It's not like you can BVR in the thing anyway, and it's radar can only stay on for 25 minutes anyway. Leave it off unless you've already got someone in your sights and you're in a position to defend yourself.
>>122647897
You actually have to dogfight instead of throwing AIM120s and R73, AIM-9M/X at each other most of the time.
>>122648463
>triggers their RWR
I had a friendly MiG-21 test their radar on me from behind when i was flying a MiG-29, wether they had their radar on, off or was actually locking me, it didn't show up at all.
Keep in mind this was within just a few kilometers range.
I know fishbeds show up as U (unknowns) on the F-15s RWR, but there is no way i'd trust my rwr to warn me about MiG-21s.
In any case, flying a MiG-21 in a race mixing non east-vs-west server is going to be painful.
>>122648716
I have a hard enough time finding PvP PERIOD. The only populated servers are free-flight training ones that have giant buffer zones for BLUFOR so they can play around with impunity. As a result, whenever I play BLUFOR, no one is on REDFOR for me to fight against, and when I play REDFOR, no one comes out of the giant safety bubble to fight.
Are there any decent modern infantry platoon-level RTT out there? Era doesn't matter, but I've been having some real cravings to play a modern Close Combat style game for awhile now.
>>122649115
Combat mission can be played platoon level and comes in a variety of flavours
Actually while I'm at it, chuck's mig21 guide mentions that the green lamp next to the RWR blinks if the RWR ping is friendly
that's utter bullshit isn't it
>>122649749
>38. Aircraft distance transponder SOD-57
emission indicator light
You could try and test it.
>current 104th mission is deathmatch over open ocean
what in the fuck are they doing
>that VEAO post on hoggit
hahahahaha
so much butthurt
>>122651232
Can't allow slav planes to hide behind terrain.
>>122653008
VESFMAO*
>>122651232
>>122653515
Simple you idiots don't go over the ocean.
>>122653008
>Doesn't post link
>>122651232
I never see this supposed server. Are they on the supposedly borderline unplayable beta I always hear folks complaining about? I want some damn PVP instead of all these free-flight servers.
I'm a loser and want to play fsx-se is the hotas x any good? Or should I get a t.16000m or logitech 3d pro?
Probably going to be mostly just playing fsx and stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlj8DI5Lno
Carpet bombing snackbars
>>122656090
>playing FSX
m8 you can't even bomb anything there.
hotas x is good t16000 is good logitech is the worst of the bunch.
>>122656149
>Flashy show of force that ultimately accomplishes little to nothing
I wouldn't have thought Russia's economy could even support this sort of blatant showmanship.
>>122656194
Yeah I know ;_;
I'm guessing if I was going to be playing a lot of war games and dog fighting Itd be obvious to go for the t.16000m cause it has those fancy sensors? Would the hotas x be okay for both and maybe some more military flight sims later?
>>122657148
Hotas X is pretty good, accuracy isnt as good as the t16000.
you could also try a used x52 from ebay, just be careful of chinese copies.
>>122649115
Full Spectrum Warrior?
>>122657262
>Platoon level
FSW is squad level, two fireteams of 2-3 troops.
I miss squad shooters. Another Brothers in Arms would be pretty nice. I think people gave Hell's Highway way too much shit for dumb reasons.
>>122657234
But is a hotas x probably better over a t16k for fsx cause of the hand throttle? Or is it not a huge deal. I just can't really see my self spending like $150 on a separate throttle if I buy a single stick. I'm not super hardcore atm
>>122658262
Used x52s go around the price of a new hotasX.
The hotas adds a bunch of buttons that can be useful, and it's way easier to get accurate thrust with a throttle then those stupid slidy things.
>>122656568
Do you think it costs money to drop a few of the million FAB-500 the soviets produced?
Russia can shit cold war era bombs without it costing a thing.
Why is the F-14's cruise speed much slower than the Su-33 and the F-18?
>>122658937
It's all about dat thrust to weight ratio, the first versions of the F-14 didn't have really great engines as well.
>>122658937
Somehow americans always manage to have extremely powerful engines, but still have planes that are so bulky that they are slower than their foreign counter parts.
>>122644943
BST said it's on hold for now, but I guess they'll unfreeze it once they're finished with the F-5.
Let us hope.
>>122655873
>I never see this supposed server.
You need the IP to connect.
>>122653861
>>Doesn't post link
I assume he means this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/3ta33m/veao_to_hoggit_pman/over 9000 seconds in google
>>122660650
>Inb4
>GUYS YOU ARE GETTING A MI-24A
>FUCK YOU BST
>>122661121
I doubt they'd troll everyone and rack up all that negative rep just for laughs. It's going to be a V or P.bst pls
>>122661082
I know, i just wanted to be a douchebag.
also this based poster.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/3ta33m/veao_to_hoggit_pman/cx4e5cy
>>122658794
if anything it's an excuse to stop paying for storage of the stuff
Is Lijian 90 the best infantry innawoods?
>the VEAO post
>do it better if you don't like it
>you're just going to complain whatever we do so why do anything
>you clearly don't understand my unique and quirky sense of humour
>passive-aggressive/10
He just needs to throw out the word toxic and blame the community for everything. It would be perfect.
>>122663007
>Is Lijian 90 the best infantry innawoods?
no, that's eryx
>>122663151
I fucking love it when devs of any game feel like they are entitled to peoples money because they think what they've made is good.
>>122648463
>>122648279
There's an IFF check switch on the filters panel. First thing's first, bind it to your joystick because that's not a button you have time to futz around with trying to click in the cockpit. It'll show you for a few seconds if the anything on your radar scope is friendly or not. In a mixed server (which is practically all of them), you need to make sure you IFF before you shoot because visual ID is unreliable when everybody is an F-15.
The worst part of checking IFF is that you can't IFF somebody you already have locked on. If you found somebody visually and they're at a weird angle that doesn't show up on your radar, you're going to have to do maneuvering and waste a lot of time trying to get them to show up on your radar so you can IFF them. Trying to IFF somebody when they're 100m in front of you is a huge pain the ass.
I'm constantly checking IFF whenever I see any new contact pops up. You need to know ASAP if a new contact shows up on your radar and is hostile.
>But that requires the radar to actually pick the target up
I'm not sure how you expect to IFF with your radar without your radar seeing something to IFF.
>And the plane I'm IFFing will just turn around and 120C my ass if it's hostile since that triggers their RWR
IFF doesn't trigger RWR any more than having your radar on does. It's not the same as locking a target. The MiG-21's radar is super shitty but it works both ways. You have to be very close for another plane's RWR to show that your radar strength is high. It gives the appearance of MiG-21's being further away than they really are.
>>122649749
>Actually while I'm at it, chuck's mig21 guide mentions that the green lamp next to the RWR blinks if the RWR ping is friendly
I've been flying the MiG-21 online since its release and I don't recall that light ever doing anything. I'll have to look into it some more. It might only blinks if you're being scanned by something Russian, which might be why I never see it light up.
>>122648318
>Their quirkiness and style as superpowers were still fumbling about transitioning from WW2/Korean War-style jets to aircraft with advanced electronics and weapons.
This. All of this post. I hope some day we have enough 3rd generation jets that servers can host a 3rd gen only PVP missions.
>>122664050
>Comrade chief designer, we can't use an aluminium frame for this, at the projected speeds it'll tear itself apart.
>Use a steel frame then, comrade engineer.
>But the engines won't be powerful enough to propel a steel aircraft.
>Use bigger engines then or its off to the gulag with you
>>122661321
>we will never ever get mach 3 aircraft in DCS
>TAW is now also racemixing
why
that was the only semi-popular east vs west server
WHY
>>122667771
muh 104th is popular so we need to do it too.
>>122667771
They used to alternate, they've probably gone back to the shitty idea of trying to be the 104th.
>>122668010
>When you try to be the 104th so much, you even use their missions.
Well it's likely the reason for that is that they are incapable of making missions but still.
>>122667771
If you were inferior like the Su-27, you'd want the superior eagle's seed too.
this literally kills DCS multiplayer (and with that DCS as a whole) for me
guess I'll buy fallout 4 or something
BREAKING NEWS
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2558363#post2558363
BREAKING NEWS
WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
PERSISTENT WEAR AND TEAR?
RANDOM FAILURES FORCED?
>>122668461
Good choice friend.
>>122668764
randomized failures that can either be set server side or can't be set at all.
>>122664297
Seriously, the Mig-25 and 31 had some crazy design specs
>Nose radar so powerful that whenever it was turned on while on the ground small animals surrounding the airfield would die
>>122669287
>Comrade the motherland needs an airplane that goes fast and shoots missiles
>How fast?
>Fast, comrade, fast.
>>122669623
It was either build a sanic speed interceptor or build a network of airbases that cover their entire 6,000km long northern border.
Interceptors seem the saner option
>>122670234
It's a jet for a purely Russian problem, it was a great choice to build it, it's still pretty insane as a machine though.
>>122668764
This in combination with the earlier comment by him that circuit breakers are an important part of F-14 operation is very interesting.
Either way, I wouldn't read too much into it until the newsletter comes out. Whenever it comes out. It sounds like it'll all be explained in there.
>>122669623
Too bad those missiles are useless.
>>122405204
>t-72 losses to ww2 tanks
I don't believe it, maybe to upgraded ww2 tanks with different main guns
>>122674708
Broof?
>>122675647
>very long range missile thus making it extremely easy to dodge
>semi active
>fellow semi active missiles like the r-27 have only 4% hit ratio
>sparrow has only 2.8%
>these are the only missiles the MiG-25 can carry
>it has no backups
>it has no gun
>so all it can do is fire it's 4 shitty missiles and then run away
Would have stopped B52s flying into Russia for sure. Hope they don't bring any sort of an escort, buddy
>>122676074
What kind of escort would they have? Remember, these birds weren't designed for the European theatre, their sole purpose was to intercept strategic bombers trying to cross into Russia over the north pole. What sort of ASFs would be able to make the trek from Canada to Russia and back without refuelling?
>>122676074
Well, knocking down B-52sand XB-70sfrom extreme range was kind of the point. It's a similar role to what the F-14 and its Phoenix missiles was designed for.
>>122676074
Whatever stuff that can avoid the missiles are going to need tankers.
![F-15,_71st_Fighter_Squadron,_in_flight[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HQKkZ3g.jpg "F-15, 71st Fighter Squadron, in flight[1]")
>>122676267
Couldn't be the very god of the skies designed just for that.
>>122676074
>Circumstantial evidence of the Ethiopian war
>PK meaning anything about missile effectiveness.
If i sit there at 300km spewing missiles that will reduce the pk of the missile, but it wont mean anything to how well the missile works.
>>122676308
Except the F-14 can dogfight, has more choice in missiles, and an actual gun. It was uncontested as the greatest fighter in the world up until more advanced American designs came forth.
>>122676364
Not enough fuel to fly from Canada to Siberia and back
>>122676308
Sure was going to catch a mach 3.5 bomber when the thing literally started falling apart past mach 2.8
>>122676642
>what is aerial refueling
>>122676668
>B-52
>mach 3.5 bomber
murrifats always have to sperg out
>>122676668
That's not how intercepting works bob.
>>122676668
>B-52
>Supersonic
>>122676796
>listing the XB-70 as a target
Slavaboos sure have lovely reading comprehension.
>>122676875
>XB-70
Doesn't go mach 3.5 and was never mentioned in this discussion. I'm also looking forward to a prototype aircraft that was never operational bombing anything.
>s-slavboos
Sorry for pointing out your stupidity anon.
>>122677302
And I quote,
"Well, knocking down B-52s and XB-70s from extreme range was kind of the point."
Glad to see Vatniks being dumb as usual, ignoring evidence and only having memes to counter.
>>122676668
Do bombers usually take off from the same country they bomb, or is there some other reason you think the intercepters are going to come from behind of the bomber bob?
>>122677463
>v-vatniks
>m-memes!
>I'm not just a butthurt murrifat
>>122676367
>they only missed because they were ethiopian
Literally flown by Russian mercernaries.
Also, that's racist.
>>122677628
>Also, that's racist.
Don't worry I reported him too
>>122677628
Ok then?
How many missiles were fired, and at what ranges did most of the launches occur?
bmp
The Russians' record of shooting down SR-71s doesn't show much promise for their ability to deal with the XB-70
Huzzah! Now mixed NATO is possible in Flashpoint.
>>122681196
How's the multiplayer in this? I might pick it up
>>122681758
Multiplayer is in two forms, and they're old school: Hot Seat and PBEM
PBEM is what it is, you play out your orders phase, watch what happens until his orders phase comes up, then send the file to your opponent over an integrated email system. He watches the same events, then gives his orders, watches again, so on.
Hot Seat allows two players to play with the same copy and computer. One guy gets in the computer seat, gives his side orders, then his buddy gets in the seat, and gives his side orders, then they watch events unfold. Theoretically, you can play a game over 4chan by having the player take one side, then screencapping the other side's information and posting it in the thread, and that side would be instructed according to the posters' orders
Time between orders of course is affected by HQ integrity, EW interference, overall unit readiness, and so on.
>>122679557
The fact that the XB70 exploded in mid air shows that they have a pretty good chance.
>>122682246
And is there a multiplayer community? Do you play with people yourself?
>>122682749
>And is there a multiplayer community?
Somewhat. There is a "game list" not unlike servers being hosted. Sometimes AARs are posted in the matrix forums
>Do you play with people yourself?
No, not my thing. I have tried to involve the thread in at least one game before however.
>>122676074
>What is R-40
Oh man I wish I could watch 104th replays / tacviews
A missile just missed by by literal centimeters
>>122684120
I like watching Tacviews because you learn so much about what you missed. It's a great learning tool.
>>122683132
A worse R-27?
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/the-mig-23-that-flew-for-900km-without-pilot-thencrashed-in-a-farm-killing-a-boy.html/1
Russian jets so deadly they can kill you from 2 countries away
>>122690470
Doesn't even need a pilot for it.
>>122690793
The way a good plane is supposed to be
>>122677604
>Literally proving his point.
FSB should train you guys better.
>>122678197
24 missiles were fired and only 1 hit
see: http://forum.keypublishing.com/archive/index.php/t-100828-p-2.html
German tanks, American infantry, British artillery.
Of course it would be quite a coincidence to see such low-level units in such close coordination, but sometimes there will be a scenario where a British regiment is operating in the same general area as a West German brigade...
>>122658426
the cheapest i can find a used x52 is like $120 and it looks pretty used.
>>122649179
That's a big radar.
>>122663151
Almost eugen/10
>>122708703
UUUU
>>122705314
get a HOTAS WARTHOG YOU CASUAL
I bought Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm when it went on sale (I think on christmas) and kinda forgot about it after a while and probably deleted it.
I think I want to fire it up again. I still have the email with the CD key but I can't find my installer anywhere. Is there a way to get another installer legitimately or should i just pirate it and use my CD key. Will I still be able to get updates?
>>122710483
Tried activating it on Steam?
>>122704625
Why is there a nato symbol on the units?
>>122711058
Their national colors and symbols have been replaced with a generalized NATO icon. Currently you can't have two different counter backgrounds on the same side.
>tfw no WW2 wargame
>tfw no wargame where you can knock out scores of slavtanks in a tiger
>>122712524
we do people want ww2 so fucking badly
hands off my fucking cold war rts, you have enough ww2 already god dammit
>>122714797
WW2 was nice and simple for the plebs with good guys and bad guys.
>tfw tube arty is shit
>"but muh spam"
Make the dispersion increase with range like in alb unless the shot is corrected.
Big helicopter or multiple small ones?
>>122720903
Ural truck is fine comrade.
>>122712524
You dont want a French designed world war 2 game naziboo
Tiger-90 points T-34-85 60
Tiger gets say, more accuracy, 100 meters more range
Same AP
4 times less autnomny
3 times less speed
2 more frontal AV
Slopped armor mon ami
>>122721515
WW2 Wargame would be much easier to model, since the armor schemes of most tanks and penetration data is readily available. All that needs to be done is to scale the RHAe > AV ratio from 25-30 to 10, a nice round number.
But yes, wehraboos will be pleasantly surprised when Tiger 1 has 10 AV and 14 AP, then T-34/85 shows up with 9 AV and 13 AP.
>>122663769
Not sure what happened to you, but Eryx lose hard to Li-Jian 90's.
>>122722018
They also have 1km range, 25 AP and half the price.
>>122722161
>1km range
If that is an issue in your infantry-to-infantry fights, then you're doing something wrong m8.
>>122570786
lol
>>122591234
Nice work m8, will have a match with you again sometime.
>>122630428
>>122630551
Thank you, my friends
>>122723821
Don't worry for me I also use salt engies.
>>122721847
>pleasantly surprised when Tiger 1 has 10 AV and 14 AP, then T-34/85 shows up with 9 AV and 13 AP
how
People are asshurt as it is about the t-72b, HATObabies really cant stand cost effecitveness
>>122726374
It's irony level 1 you fuckwit.
ded
>>122712524
Do we really need the autism that a community from a WW2 wargame would cause?The answer isn't just no, but fuck no. Fuck off, there's already 5 million WW2 games in the industry and they're all the same boring shit. I bet you have some nazi avatar on steam.
>>122732385
I don't think it's a bad idea. Decent modeling of units and appropriate availability will create wondrous amounts of wehraboo crying.
More so if France ends up being the best faction in the game, and every match involves tiger 2's being shot to pieces by AMX-50's.
Relic just fucked up too badly with COH 2 drinking the Wehrmacht kool-aid.
>>122735296
Since no one can ever seem to get it right except maybe digital mindsoft, I wouldn't trust Eugen of all people to do a proper WW2 RTS without making Germans retarded terminator memes despite the fact that they got their asses handed to them in any sort of actually symmetrical fight.
>>122736000
The quads have spoken.
>>122736000
Due to them being German and completely enamored with the Nazi mythos.
Relic shit the bed harder than anyone can imagine.
Funnily enough, an old game called Axis and Allies actually got balance quite well. The Germans in that game have some quality units, but also the weakest economy so an army full of tigers wasn't remotely possible.
>>122737724
Honestly I wouldn't even mind their tanks being fucking boss as lone as they were really expensive and their infantry was dogshit. Germany relied heavily on their armor and aircraft to do all the heavy lifting, but every RTS makes all their infantry special forces with the best gear of the war when your average line troop was laughably under-supplied and typically armed with a shitty WW1 bolt action rifle, hence their awkward squad formations around MG-34/42's.
It feels like no developer seems to understand this shit and you get a sea of ultra-elite, highly experienced crack troops that can cloak and teleport with STG-44's with infrared scopes on them and 80 hand grenades per person.
Don't even get me started on how WW2 games handle artillery. There's just too much autism and bias surrounding WW2 themed games, regardless of it trying for 'realism' or not. It's ten times worse than cold war games(Almost all of which play like reskinned WW2 games anyway).
>>122739708
>bleed all your energy just for a kill you would have gotten 10 seconds later anyway
for what purpose
Killing eagles is the MiG-21's job.
>>122738302
Which army has the best troops?
>>122740914
The quality of troops is irrelevant past a reasonable amount of stamina for infantry and basic knowledge of the weapon system.
Only officers are required to be of good quality.
>>122741354
Which is why I'll probably be fodder for the coming war. Time to learn how to survive innawoods.
>>122741484
>tfw civilian
>tfw killing me is a warcrime
>>122740914
Hard to say. If we're going off of a pure 'skill' metric without taking equipment/logistics/officers into account, I'd probably say UK, and I'm an amerifat.
>>122741752
>thinking you won't be conscripted
>thinking the enemy combatant will give a fuck even if you aren't
>>122741963
My job is to pull survivors out of wreckage and collapsed buildings, I'm fairly certain I won't be drafted in case of war.
>Finally get around to moving to the beta
>Check 104th server
>It's the same planes on both sides
Wow, way to rip the fun out of a simulator.
>>122742303
How does that remove the fun?
>>122742479
Muh reelism
Also 104th missions are absolute shit. Turkey shoot for AG planes, TDM for AA planes. 60% of the times, the two plane types don't mix and therefore no need to cover each other.
>>122710721
I did a quick google search and yes, I just had to redeem a steam key from the slitherene site. Thanks.
>>122742734
104th is shit and has been for a long time, beta or not.
TAW is generally east vs west, and from time to time their missions are actually interesting as well.
There might be others that pop up from time to time, but unless you're flying ww2 or korea planes, those will be your options most of the time it seems.Yes, I'd love to see more/better servers too
>>122743334
Maybe we'll get more servers and more active players in MP when 2.0 hitswe won't
People like WW2 because it's the goldilocks of military technology, before WW2 you either had trench stalemates or people basically still charging one another in line battles, after WW2 it's guys pointing at targets on computer screens and firing missiles/rockets/shells at people they can't even see.
There's a reason for the saying about artillery being king of the battlefield, even during WW2 a ton of kills were achieved by just saturating an area with shells, with the growing lethality of ordinance it gets even worse.
Look at Ukraine, basically all casualties are due to artillery, whenever the Kiev forces try to make an organised push the DNR fires off a BM-21 salvo and removes an entire armored company.
>>122705314
IDK man there's people in the DCS community that give em out for free, i have a 2nd for spare parts.
>>122740041
He wouldn't have gotten the kill, if he didn't do that.
>>122746347
You can clearly see from the F2 that he'd just have to turn normally for a bit longer before he would be on the other guy's tail. Then he could immediately be on the second guy's tail.
Instead he just impatiently bleeds all his energy which probably resulted in either A) a crash or B) the other guy on his tail
>>122742479
>Simulator
>Everyone just flies F-15C's regardless of nation.
>>122747306
I hope ED gets their shit together and fixes MP, maybe we finally get the 159th or the 77th to get one of their
>I wanna pull my hair out
missions up.
>>122742734
>the two plane types don't mix and therefore no need to cover each other.
because that never works out in public servers with randoms
They don't cover each other, CAS just gets shot repeatedly
>>122748343
It's almost like they need to communicate instead of expecting the other people on their team to be telepathic. You know, like a simulator, and not Warthunder.
>>122748606
>It's almost like they need to communicate
Which doesn't happen, which is why the 104th separates A2A and A2G most of the time
>>122748647
That seems more like the player's fault than a server's or ED's. Ya get the tools, you gotta learn how to use them. That's the entire point of a simulator.
>>122748820
what even is your point
I was literally saying that the 104th has to do that because the players don't work together
DCS Mig-29M when?
>>122748879
>Has to
Considering they don't even keep the aircraft to their respective coalitions, I'm pretty sure they do it because they just really, really, really love A-10's and F-15's and don't give a shit about anything else, and aren't interested in having their turkey-shoots interrupted.
>>122740914
Depends on both when and in which aspect.
In 1941, Germany has the best trained and most experienced troops, veterans from several invasions.
In 1945, the survivors of the red army were pretty hardcore, and they were very well equipped.
Also different countries did different things pretty well, germany probably had the best submariners, soviets had more snipers than anyone else, america had their army in europe nearly fully supplied with semi-automatic rifles at least. The british were absolutely great at building railroads in burma.
>>122749702
This, many games give germany space magic troops because they don't bother researching or just don't care, so they assume troop quality was the same from the days of no scope blitkrieg to the fall of berlin. It's not like the majority of games even allows changes in troop quality depending on the timeframe, or even take place in a long enough timespan for it to make a difference
>>122750284
Neither do anyone seemingly take into consideration just how rare some of these popular vehicles were:
Ostwind Flakpanzer: 45 build
Wirbelwind Flakpanzer: 87-105 build
These 2 fucking flakpanzers are in every ww2 game with vehicles, and they were collectively still twice as rare as king tigers.
>>122747306
>FC 3
>Simulator
Don't kid yourself.
>>122749702
>British were great at building railroads in burma
Well played.
>>122750284
>british were absolutely great at building railroads in burma
>>122751042
oh god I remember that thread
anybody have the full cap?
>>122748879
This guy is partially right>>122749226
They do it because MUH popularity, they'd sell their grandmas if it meant having a full server up, the 104th is a cancer to DCS MP, a cancer that spreads, it was great when 51st was popular but too bad those guys are complete idiots and kept having 1 mission for weeks on end.
How do I get into DCS organized MP?
I looked into TAW but they seem to be full on pseudomilitary autism incarnate
>>122752530
just join the TS of the server you are playing.
If you wanna get really organized join one of the good wings.
>>122752530
Get on TS when we're operatingnever, post on the thread that you're about to operate and try summoning some peeps from heremost are pretty good at DCSand join the TS, join the server's TS or a virtual squadron like >>122753037 saidenjoy the autism, add people from the /fsg/ group on steam and operate with themthis is actually rather enjoyable, I have a few buddies I play with ever so often.
>>122753835
>4chins TS
>ever
>>122754091
Apart from people ranting it's usually not even that bad.
>>122750821
IS-2
>3854 built
>early/mid 44 service date
>shows up in games like it's a one off prototype with equivalent rarity to Tiger 2
equally as hilarious is how every Panzer 4 is a H with L/48 while all Shermans are base m4 with 75mm, and all T-34's are 76mm F1.
There were almost 2000 M36 made and they show up even less than IS-2
>>122755427
It's just more of the "1 rifle for every 2 soldiers" meme which ignores the fact that basically every soldier was carrying a PPSh come '43, or that the moist nuggets were so mass-produced that the WW2 production models are still the cheapest firearms you can buy in the US
>>122755614
>400k G43 build
>Every other german squad can get them
>1.6 million SVT-40 build
>Usually less avaliable than G43
Or in case of RO2, german team has nearly exclusively rare weapons, like MG-42 which was brand new in stalingrad, MKB-42 prototype, G-41 prototype. Every single squadleader has a prototype weapon.
>>122755961
RO2 is made by wehraboos, they only recently thought recoil was a good idea for german machineguns. If people played classic the prototypes wouldn't exist, meanwhile russians get fuck all useful, an AVT-40 that's primary function is useless and a fucking pps-42.
RO1 had better weapon selection, if I could pick a short mosin with an unsheathable bayonet I could.
>>122755961
>>122755614
>>122755427
>>122756212
So you guys want to play GSM for Mow2?
>>122756246
Is it good?
>>122756212
PPS was even a pretty good SMG, had the highest MV of any of the SMGs i know.
>>122756274
German Soldiers Mod Fields of Glory (previously of "True Honour", but it was a little too obvious they were making it sound like the SS motto)
>>122753835
Does anyone fly WW2 craft? Not really a fan of the modern aircraft.
>>122756274
in GSM walking stukas fire rockets that have a higher damage than the 203mm mortar.
Why you ask?
Well it's caliber is 300mm, so the fact that the entire missile only weighs less than the warhead of the 203mm gun is completely irrelevant.
>>122756486
>Stuka rockets doing more damage than the B-4 howitzer
no thanks
>>122756447
With the new imposters (bigger texture for planes at medium/long range) in the 1.5 betaas ridiculus as they may bepeople are playing on ww2 and korean war servers pretty much all the time.
>>122756638
The makers didn't want to put the 280mm Br-5 in the game though. "Too broken"
Didn't stop them from thinking this is a tactical battlefield weapon that the germans needed on their spawn list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl-Ger%C3%A4t
>>122756810
Why not just let the Germans use V-2 rockets then
>>122756690
>>122756447
Yeah ever since 1.5 came out the WW2 & Korean servers have been surprisingly active.
>>122756810
I almost forgot about that. Pretty sure the tab it's in can be removed though.
>>122756274
Not really, no. It takes the balance of vanilla, throws it out the window, and changes a bunch of values to things like range and damage because of 'muh realism', when the maps aren't designed in any way, shape, or form to support it, nor do the mechanics of the game.
If you liked Blitzkreig for CoH1, get it because it's basically the same thing, if not, avoid it, it's shit and wehraboo bait as the name implies. Also, the whole 'year based army' thing if fucking retarded, as is the inclusion of factions just for the sake of having them without any real design intent. If you really want new units that badly, there's a mod coming out called "A world at war" that is adding new factions and gear but maintaining the integrity of the gameplay while trying to improve on existing balance and mechanics, instead of throwing it all out the window and trying to reinvent the wheel.
>>122756908
Well company of heroes actually let you do that.
>>122757262
Well, V-1 not V-2.Still completely ridiculus to have one employed in a battle
>>122756976
GSM only works with GSM maps, it's an awful idea to even use vanilla maps for it unless it's infantry only.
>>122757420
I don't think they're really any better on GSM maps either, to be frank. Especially in 1v1.
So some redditor got inspired by Wargame deck-building to build a literal cardgame
http://www.ablearcher83.com/
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>122757516
Will it cost?
>>122758140
seems so
>>122757420
>>122757413
>>122757262
>>122756976
>>122756973
>>122756910
>>122756908
>>122756810
>>122756690
>>122756638
>>122756486
>>122756447
>>122756375
>>122756274
If you guys have any interesting ideas you think is possible to mod in MoW2, you should say so, we can always do that /wgg/ mow2 mod.
>>122759086
I think the game is pretty much fine as is. There really isn't a whole lot you can do with WW2 anymore that is remotely interesting. It's a horse that's been beaten to an utter pulp.
>>122759197
To be fair there's a lot of fronts and engagements, or even units, that seldom get under the spotlight. They may be less important in the bigger scope but it would still be a breath of fresh air.
Still, I can see why everything WW2 is normandy and maybe africa and russia.
>>122746153
>trench stalemates
only on the west front m8
agreed on the rest tho
>>122759086
AS2 is pretty fine as it is, balance isn't retarded and you can still do tank combat at large distances with the object trick.
>>122759197
There's still things that can be done outside of FPS and RTS/RTT games. Sims for instance can always improve.
>11 people racemixing on 104th
>all other servers dead
feels fucking awful
>>122760380
Both merrifats and euphorics are still in work/school/universities, so who figures.
Come back in like 6+ hours and you'll have a whole lot more luck.
>>122760380
get a job
>>122761039
>what are timezones
>>122740141
Bind the weapon selector switch, at least the 1-4 pylons, to your stick. Either that or get used to using the keybinds. You don't have time to fumble around with clicking the cockpit for that kind of thing on the MiG 21.
I love me some ASC off, even if it nearly kills me in the process.
>>122741752
>civilians are safe
Been playing BMS lately and have been enjoying it a lot.
Anyone up to operate on DCS?
>>122764659
Might join you later when I stream or something. Taking a bit of a break at the moment.
>>122759335
China front.
Where your primary efforts are spent trying to make sure your conscripts don't desert on combat and the guy commanding the next regiment over won't ditch you to the Japanese to run away first.
>>122764659
>dozens of flights up in the air
>they don't have IFF
kills BMS for me
>>122765437
Yeah it sucks. AWACS declare cuts it for a small number of unknown flights but absurd situations like that one just suck.
>tfw getting bored of DCS
really needs a dynamic campaign or an actual multiplayer
>>122776996
Were we playing a fake multiplayer all this time?
>tfw no stealth tank in mixed redfor moto when stealth bradley is fine in mixed hato moto
I'm a complete noob when it comes to rts games. Company of heroes is currently on sale and I'm debating buying it (will buy one first but might get #2). Is it accessible enough for a complete rts-tard like me, whose only "micro" experience is the first level of SC2 campaign and too many hours of dota?
>>122779510
COH doesn't really fit this general ("realistic" wargames) but it's a fucking great (one of the best in fact) RTS
Playing versus the AI on easy in skirmish mode should be simple enough
Campaign is lame though, go straight into skirmish
Don't buy COH2
>>122779510
Yes,
but that doesn't make it a good gameor a wargame
>>122762605
Getting the hang of that button is great. It easily goes from the "suicide button" to the "you shit on everyone else in a dogfight" button.
So I bought the mig21
What do I actually do with it
Campaign / static missions are lame as fuck and it's shit in MP vs 4th gen fighters
>>122780162
You have togit gud
>>122780162
>you fell for the meme
I'm sorry. I fell for the Su-27 meme too, but at least it isn't totally dependent on your enemy being a fuckwit.
>>122780162
>Step 1: Git Gud
>Step 2: Understand the strengths and weaknesses of your craft and your enemy.
>Step 3: Pray to Stalin your engine doesn't die for any/no reason.
It's a pretty fun, albeit highly suicidal, plane. Have had it for two days and it's a blast. Wish it didn't constantly shit itself, though. If the engine was reliable it'd probably be able to hold it's own against 4th gens with a bit of tactical placement on the map and communicating with AWACS.
>>122780727
But what do you actually do with it
104th plane deathmatch is boring and TAW doesn't have the 21 enabled
Are you flying SP missions?
>>122779636
>>122779764
Shit, I saw /rtsg/ and someone above was talking about CoH. Thanks for the advice.
>>122780848
>>122780162
I fly mostly 104th with the MiG-21. I practice in SP with the target practice mission on hardest to make sure I've still got everything down and my bindings are right.
The plane itself is fun to learn if you're into that kind of thing. Figuring out how to deploy all of its weapons, including the near suicidal way it does ground attack can be a lot of fun. The RSBN system is really neat, and it's nice to have a pointer to home base at all times.
As far as SP, there's really nothing to do. There's nothing SP to do in DCS at all. That's why I only play multiplayer when I'm not just practicing/learning stuff. It's a great plane, and all of its problems are more DCS problems than of the MiG-21 itself.
>>122780848
Well I mean that's the same for all the aircraft. It's a simulator community, do you expect it to be the size of other game genres?
>>122780149
What server?
What happened to that Ace Combat DCS mission someone was designing? I had a good time in the little bit of it that I played.
>>122777838
Scroll up and see the discussion about how shit DCS MP is
>>122786332
ED's not forcing these people to use the F-15/A-10. They're popular planes.
>>122782489
Ivan got slain by the KKK, so no more DCS Ace Combat
I just started playing Flashpoint Campaigns
I looked through the manual a bit and it doesn't seem too helpful, just kind of points out where stuff is and what it does, which is pretty self explanatory in the game. I've played war-games before (Unity of Command mainly, Panzer Korp and The Operational Art of War as well) so it doesn't seem too complex to me. I like the fact that you don't have to micromanage every unit in terms of which units it fires on, that's what made me quit playing TOAWIII, shit just got old real quick.
One question I have though. It appears that enemy units can occupy the same hexes as friendly units, that's unusual. How does the game determine who controls a victory point? Can enemy units just roll through your lines if they want to?
>>122782489
>>122787827
I'm here. I went AWOL because new job and Fallout 4, but it's pretty much done. I'll polish it up a bit here sometime soon and upload it for distribution.
>>122791750
>Enemy units can occupy the same hexes as friendly units, that's unusual.
It's realistic. The scale is 500 meters from hex edge-to-hex edge. Typically soviet units want to close into such ranges where their numbers and heavy-hitting weaponry is most effective.
>How does the game determine who controls a victory point?
Depending on how long the game has been in progress, a victory point is given a "range". In a long match, that can be up to 12 hexes in every direction, or 6km. Generally, if you have more units closer to the VP than the enemy, the hex is yours.
So your opponent may have 10 units 6km from the objective and have some influence on it, it will still go to you if you have 2 or 5 sitting on it or next to it.
The condition of a unit also controls how much influence it has. A Soviet MRC with 30 subunits will have more of an effect than an American platoon with 10 subunits.
>>122792424
damn. That's really cool system. Way less "Gamey" then what I'm used to.
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>>122786332
>you mean all the salty shitters who love to hate the 104th
dcs multiplayer is absolutely fine, this general is just filled with overly nationalistic autist who care more about having a pissing contest between the f-15 and 27 then actually flying.
What was the T-62's position in the late 80's? Was it a reserve tank, or simply a Cat-C unit? I recall them being the primary tank in use during Afghanistan.
>>122794215
that isnt the issue.
Scroll up and see the discussion about how shit DCS MP is
>>122795058
All I see is BOO HOO F-15 is red and blue and WAAAAAAAHHHHH 104TH is shit because reasons.
Shh, BMP
>>122795971
We need to nuke Canada.
>>122779636
>>122780895
The campaign is actually pretty good. COH2's campaign was boring trash.
>>122791750
I too bought FC, we should try playing some time.
So I have almost finished the rules for the /vg/ Wargame tournament. I have a couple teams already signed up but I was curious about if you thread friends would want to field some teams.
>3v3 standard conquest rules with national only decks (each nation can only be used once per team)
>2-3 week elimination rounds
>Start in mid December
Any interest? I will be allowing forum baddies in as well to fill the ranks.
>>122803141
>national only decks
>usa, wger and france vs ussr and ???
balanse
>>122803141
count me in bro
>>122804067
You can play red or blue, so if you don't think red can handle themselves then make the blue team of your dreams. I think that the amount of USSR and Chinese unicorns should give red a fighting chance.
>>122804893
grab two buddies and start brainstorming bro
I will have sign ups starting around Dec 1st
>>122807452
>blufor players can pick any of the individual countries in the commonwealth and blue dragons coalitions
>vs three ussr :^)
>>122811646
>each nation can only be used once per team
>3x USSR
how
>>122811934
Just imagine ussr #1 has 17 rpm spetsnaz and 20 rpm motostrelki, ussr #2 has vdv with mg3 and ussr #3 has t-72a with 65% accuracy and 13 rpm t-80um.
>>122803141
ban all meme units
>>122815049
this to be honest family
>>122794671
it was in reserve units along with T-55s
>>122811646
USSR is a union of nations)))))))))
>>122817113
USSR should be a coalition desu
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