Discussion about the making or playing of Original English Language Visual Novels.
Do you have a question about a Japanese visual novel or a translation of it?
/vn/ is ready to answer it.
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>>121761957
source? i wish to know who is the mystery
>>121762854
when the filename's all numbers like that, it's usually a VNDB screenshot.
>site:vndb.org 72775
gets you
https://vndb.org/v15681
I might as well sketch fashion ideas and have them critiqued here. It's going to be winter stuff (just it time for the season, it seems.)
>>121766091
sweaters.
>>121766481
Those are apparently ugly.
>>121766481
>orange turtle neck sweater
>with red skirt
>and orange knee high socks
>and red shoes
>that ENTIRE fucking outfit
Honey, please.
Sounds way more political than it did at the moment of writing.
>>121766949
I'll play this for the politics.
>>121767092
If I ever start actually working on it, as opposed to just thinking about it and hating myself on the short workday evenings :^)
>>121766949
if this is your script, try to avoid 'spelling out' a character's intentions in the dialogue too much
real style guide nigga ass shit
>tfw writing without using an outline or any sort of planning
>tfw editing is going to be a huge pain in the ass
>>121770731
Do yourself a favor and start using this
http://wikidpad.sourceforge.net/
It's important that you can collect your notes and thoughts in an organized manner and this program is so useful for that.
>>121770731
Why would you willingly do that to yourself?
>>121767625
Thanks, I'll try to edit it out.
>>121771242
This is really neat.
>>121771242
That's pretty cool, thanks for the link.
>>121771554
I've done the "writing with a plan" before but I always get bored and quit. Now, I'm writing a lot more than I ever have. I think it's kind of exciting too, I never know what's going to happen next.
The main issue I have is a few consistency errors, but I keep track of them in another document so when I'm finished writing the entire thing I'll go back and fix them.
I'm making it a rule that something I typed yesterday, I'm not allowed to edit in any single way until I complete the entire story. I just make a note of it in that other document of mine.
Did Sakura Beach 2 get h-scenes?
>>121773768
I'm assuming not, because that particular artist doesn't do h.
>>121772327
>I never know what's going to happen next
>I have is a few consistency errors
Sound the alarms, boys, this pilot's heading for a crash.
>>121778265
Honestly it's a fine approach for a first draft. It's a great way to generate ideas and it beats trying to meticulously plan everything in advance, only to realize your characters don't want to follow your plans and fuck everything up.
All I would really suggest is to know where you want things to end up, because endings are hard if you don't plan them out in the beginning.
>>121778265
>>121778570
Consistency errors are small things desu, and once I make a note of it in the document, I never make it again. It'll just be sorta annoying having to go all the way back and rewrite those parts. I should've also clarified, I do have a general idea of some of the endings and some major plot points I want to happen. I just don't know exactly when in the story they'll happen and I don't have them officially written down either. I'll get to them when I get to them I guess.
I dunno, I'm having fun so far and I'm actually enjoying writing now too. I used to have to really force myself to write just 1k a day. Now, I can very easily write about 4-6k a day, which may not seem like much to the more experienced writers lurking here, but it's a lot more than before and I'm actually enjoying it. If I end up failing, then that's okay, at least I tried and got some practice with writing.
>>121779904
Even worst case scenario, your draft is a trainwreck that's unsalvagable, you can still use it as a map if you want to explore the project again from a fresh start!
Keep going, anon! Have fun with it!
>>121779904
>when someone estimates 4-6k as not much and you're still stuck under the 1k ceiling
Really though, it's good that you handle consistency errors that way, but their amount scales faster than the text volume. You definitely shouldn't push the planning to the point where the purpose of every line is defined, but it's beneficial to have the main plotline drawn firmly inside your head.
>>121780226
I will not give up! I won't stop until it is finished, even if it turns out to be an ugly train wreck afterwards! Thank you for the encouragement!
>>121780474
I see your points. If I end up hating the way I am writing now when I am all finished with it, I will probably try the planning type of writing again. I just want to get something finished first and see how it goes. If writing like this is a mistake, I will learn from it. Thank you for the advice!
>>121764009
God that's so stereotypical it almost makes me sick.
Guys please tell me that I won't be ripping off Sunrider Academy when I totally add the student council management part to my game.
>>121782638
Ripping off a mecha/moe/waifu product should not be considered ripping off.
Bump for the programmers who will never get credit because everyone can do it.
>adding music to my almost finished game
Holy shit its so good. I'm glad I didn't go for the conventional classical music most VN use.
I'm also better at scene direction than I thought i'd be. I guess its not all that hard when you have all the assets.
>>121787945
I feel like arbitrarily going with classical music holds a lot of projects and musicians back. It's hard for it not to sound artificial (or stock, if going that route) and a lot of the time it just doesn't fit, so in general I really enjoy seeing music/soundtracks with more of a varied or outside the box approach. Who did yours?
>>121788490
I'm the only VN he's done music for so I'd be outing myself, but I will encourage him to post on lemma once he's done. I searched for a long time to find someone who was unique but not gonna break my budget.
>>121787945
>you will never have enough money to sign on Michael McCann
Just cancel my projects sempai.
>>121788731
Aw man, now I'm really curious. Well, I look forward to hearing it when the time comes!
sssssssssss
>>121787945
>the conventional classical music most VN use.
I'm not sure I'd consider the music most VNs use as classical but that may be me just being weird about musical definitions.
I'd call a lot of it more 'elevator pop' if I had to call it something, although I can see a lot of people calling it 'classical' just because it's instrumental.
I'm curious if you can explain why your music choice isn't 'classical', if you can say without giving away your project.
>Want that popular artist to work on my game
>they won't have to drop their current project because I don't need that much from them
>I'm ready to pay
>Try to get to them in every way possible
>Wait a while
>They don't answer, although it looks like they saw the messages, at least the on on DA.
I'm upset now.
>>121798074
Some people will snub you, it doesn't matter how much you achieve in life or the same area as them, or even how much you have to offer them. It's hard to accept it because of our ego, but it's also an unfortunate truth.
>>121798074
how can you tell whether someone read their DA messages?
Some people may not know how to say 'no' firmly and politely so might find it easier to just ignore you and hope you'll go away, I dunno. If you're sending them messages in every possible way you may be creeping them out.
I often don't know how to respond when people send me emails inviting me to become part of their 'exciting business opportunity'. Replying to tell them why their 'opportunity' is stupid feels rude and just invite them to continue talking to me and trying to explain why their idea is great and I'm a moron for not wanting to jump on board.
>>121798227
>how can you tell whether someone read their DA messages?
The lower symbol means the message has been read.
The upper means it is unread.
>>121798461
Just tell them you aren't interested, it's not that hard unless you're an autist.Oh wait.;___;
>>121799307
>i'm not interested
Why not?
Why won't you give me a chance?
Don't you see how much I have to offer?
How can you know you're not interested if you don't try?
>>121799690
Just tell them to fuck off them.
And anyway most people won't take it that far.
>>121799690
Your offer has been evaluated and declined. Do take in account that your addressees may have their own goals in life.
>>121799690
Are these responses you've actually gotten from people? Just could just say you're booked with other projects, it's not like they'll know.
On that note, anyone have any interesting stories of would-be commissioners that wouldn't leave you alone after you declined to work with them?
>>121780907
Just stick to it. It's obviously working for you, and worst case scenario, you can edit or rewrite it.
There's a lot of big and published authors that share your approach.
>>121804030
It's a slight exaggeration, intentionally spun in the direction of the stereotype of men who don't like being told 'no' when they ask a girl out, but it's not completely untrue either. There have been several times when a simple "I'm not interested" has been met with "Can you explain why?"
Including from pushy artists demanding to know why I'm not hiring them for work.
>>121798580
How long since you sent it?
I sometimes get a mail and give it a few days to answer so I can consider my decision and the way I carry it across in a way that's respectable to the other party's time.
>>121805132
>Including from pushy artists demanding to know why I'm not hiring them for work.
Wow. I'm guessing their work is bad, not on time, or that they are just overpriced for what they offer. It's also possible their style just doesn't match your projects.
>>121805132
>Including from pushy artists demanding to know why I'm not hiring them for work.
I've never done this, but I must admit I'd like to know why if I got rejected (compatibly with your willingness and schedule, of course). I'd rather you rip me a new one and told me why I suck - even if you had to tell me everything is so shit you don't even know where to start from - than to be blissfully unaware of how shit I am. I mean, if you told me that I draw arms really badly, I'd most likely spend all my evenings practising that, so I can be up to par.
Of course, I understand that it takes time to explain why, but just in the off-chance you did feel inclined to do so, it would be nice. Any chance those artists weren't being pushy and just wanted to know what they could do better in the future?
>>121805841
>Any chance those artists weren't being pushy and just wanted to know what they could do better in the future?
Considering how bitchy they got when I answered their question, and insisted that I was wrong about everything and their way of doing things was right and all my other artists were clearly going to fail because of my terrible instructions, I think they were just pushy.
I'm sure it varies but it's hard to know when someone's sincere and when they're a parasite that you should never speak to or they'll go yandere on you.
>>121806356
(Note - I'm saying 'they' here because it was a group with a solo contact point, not because this happened often. It wasn't CDS either.)
>>121806356
>>121806457
Fair enough. It's a pity, though - it's pretty cool to get feedback from people who actually buy art. My experience is that they usually have a more pragmatic idea of what it should look like than even the few people who are likely to critique stuff on art communities. I think it's a lot more useful to let go of the idea that one's art is like a beloved child or an extension of one's self. I guess I'll have to come up with a disclaimer if I do ask for feedback so the potential commissioner knows that a) I don't feel entitled to their feedback and know it to be a courtesy; b) I'm only going to be grateful if they bother at all.
What's the longest evn?
>>121810113
KS?
>>121810113
We were talking about length in the last thread. There aren't a lot of really long games and those that are are often padded out by other kinds of gameplay, making it hard to compare directly. KS and Shira Oka are certainly a lot bigger than average.
There are several games in production that claim they intend to be enormous, but will they ever be completed?
Speaking of questionable fashion choices, if someone ever asks I'm going to say that Maria has a weird dress on purpose and not because I have no idea how to design women.
>>121811145
>There are several games in production that claim they intend to be enormous
I expect they'll be either full of filler content, or won't end up as long as originally envisioned.
>I can't believe it took me this long to write 50k words
And all that.
I'm planning to have at least 300k words in my game. Probably more.
>>121813614
Oh yeah? Well, I plan to have 301,000 words in MY game.
>>121813614
>>121813976
I plan to finish a game.
>>121814207
I've finished several games.
>>121814308
Good on you.
>>121814207
>>121814308
Yeah? Well I've finished a million games. What about you, bitches?
>>121813976
Joke's on both of you. My game's plan is 301,001 words
>>121814207
The best way to succeed is the set the bar of success as low as possible.
>>121814502
Is that so? Well I just went back to my script and added to it, making the total come to 301,002.
>>121814489
I sold a copy of a game.
>>121815764
I sold a million copies.
>>121816014
>>121815764
>>121814489
>>121814308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I16UsL72Ztk
>>121814801
So, pony vore?
Started playing that BCM demo since I've never got around to it. Sprites are pretty ugly 2bh, but the backgrounds are okay for the most part. The random Japanese words in place of English is sort of annoying, if the games in english, just make it all english. It's not like the terms being used don't have an English translation, aniki=bro.I'll probably end up buying the game anyways since there's a huge ass drought of BL.Also,
>this shit comes out of nowhere
Haha, the fuck.
>>121817674
I'm too put off by the sprites and random Japanese words, not going to bother with it.
>>121817674
I'm too put off by the sprites and the CGs to buy it, specially for 20usd.
>>121817674
It's authentic, kazoku.
>>121817641
If your game is only a success if someone makes a fanfic pony vore version, I'm not sure how many of us want to succeed.
>>121817674
>3rd person present
Fucking why
>>121817674
How old is that demo anyhow?
>>121815192
You clever bastard. I admit my defeat.
>>121819461
I don't see any advantages to 3rd present as opossed to 1st present or 3rd past.
>>121815192
My game is 270, but the the text is animated at one letter per day, and you can't skip
Game is 270 days long
>>121822821
Speaking of things being in real time, there is no reason for a visual novel to have any real time anything whatsoever. Don't do it. I don't care how clever you think it is.
I feel like someone's going to say it so I'll clarify that obviously I'm not talking about timed puzzles.
>>121823138
What do you mean? What CAN even be timed in VNs?
>>121825207
Uh, maybe prerecorded birthday messages from the cast? That's real time, right?
>>121823138
So a VN shouldn't have animation, music, transitions, text effects. Nothing. Just text and some clicks put new images on the screen.
How revolutionary.
>>121825207
Hate Plus asks you to wait 12 hours to proceed at points.
>>121825646
Don't be willfully stupid.
>>121825737
>Don't be willfully stupid.
Don't phrase things stupidly then. I'm just illustrating how vague that statement was in general.
>>121827450
No, you're being an idiot on purpose. Everyone else understood what was meant, but you wanted to be a little clever smartass about it.
>>121827450
> what is common sense
Remember /evn/, if anons here are nasty...
>I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.
>>121825496
When are EVN going to do system voices? It's such an easy step to enhancing the waifu/husbando experience.
>>121827714
I'm backing off then. If I'm the minority here, I won't push this any further, but I really found it badly phrased, considering it caused >>121825496 as a response as well. And that was completely misunderstanding the message as well.
>>121828165
Let me ask you something. If I said to you that a game was real time, would you think "Woah! It's got music and transitions!"
>>121823138
I hate timed puzzles as well. I hate timed anything. I particularly hate timed dialogue options. More importantly, I hate everything.
>>121828291
>I particularly hate timed dialogue options
I like them when not picking anything means the character stayed silent.
>>121828290
>any real time anything whatsoever
It's about extremes. "Any" is a strong word
>>121823138
Telltale proved that QTEs can work though.
>>121828764
I don't know why you're trying so hard to misunderstand it.
>>121829087
Telltale doesn't make visual novels.
>>121829087
>Telltale proved that QTEs can work though.
oh my god, we have been over this. Not visual novels.
What font looks okay with handwritten text?
>>121829196
>>121829489
And we can go over it twenty more times. They may as well be making VNs, the medium is very similar.
>>121829696
"may as well" doesn't mean "are." A lot of games are similar to VNs.
>>121829196
>I don't know why you're trying so hard to misunderstand it.
Man, I sure hope you're not a writer, because I'd hate to see how you'd respond to actual criticism if you're blowing up over "Your one sentence was unclear".
There's disagreeing with it, but there's also just completely attacking the other party.
That's just immature.
>>121830159
And what that means is there's a lot of solutions to consider using in VNs.
>>121828742
I found that effect interesting, but it only works when the options are clear and the time allotted to decide is sufficient.
If you're faced with a 'sweep the floor' 'mop the floor' decision, and you're sitting there going WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN, and then unexpectedly the game goes ahead without waiting for you and 'punishes' you for failing to make a decision in time, that's very frustrating.
QTEs where you have to react quickly or something bad happens mesh very poorly with visual novels because you're in the wrong mindframe for a twitchy reaction when you're reading and following the story. If you put a sudden gotcha into a conversation, you have to expect that most players WILL screw it up. Make it part of the story, sure, but don't end the story there because the player blinked.
>>121830840
>Make it part of the story, sure, but don't end the story there because the player blinked.
I don't remember which one (maybe sweet pool?) but there's a VN where you actually have to let the timer run out because both choices lead to a bad end.
>>121830840
>Make it part of the story, sure, but don't end the story there because the player blinked.
For a fake example:
You're in a conversation with someone and unexpectedly some guy throws a punch at you. Your character is caught off guard. Menu options pop up with a tight timer.
If failing to quickly read and select the right option means you get slugged and there's a game over or a penalty to the route you're taking, that's bad.
However, if the options were something like 'block', 'dodge left', 'dodge right', and EVEN IF you selected one of those options it still makes only a tiny difference because the guy still had the drop on you, the scene mostly plays out the same, you jsut get punched in a different location... In that case, the auto-advance option is just putting the player in the character's shoes and giving them that brief burst of panic 'shit! what do I do?' without actually punishing them in-game. Still not something to overuse, but it's not terrible.
>>121830713
You didn't say it was unclear. You purposefully misconstrued it. When talking about games that have things that happen in real time, no one would ever mention music or text effects.
Even >>121825496 understood it with regards to the system messages playing according to your system clock.
>>121831232
>I don't remember which one
DMMD. It's in Clear's route. It's a neat effect, but the game doesn't really make it obvious you're supposed to do that.
>>121831232
DMMD's end choice in one of the routes was like that. It even had a neat little effect of the choice things cracking and shattering.
>>121831232
That's slightly different, that's one where (I assume) you have time to read both options and think about them before time runs out. I'm trying to draw a distinction between that and a QTE.
I think it's okay to have a story branch point where the choices are really clear, like if two girls are fighting and the menu shows up to let you choose who to side with, gives you enough time to make a choice, and then if you don't treats you as having been indecisive and lets the scene continue.
>>121831419
>>121831465
yep, that's it./evn/, your fujo is showing.
>>121831265
Not me. I already told I'm throwing in the towel because I'm obviously in the minority (and in the wrong) here.
>>121831562
I play any VN that interests me, be there dicks, vaginas, or monsterpeople genitalia.
>>121831849
smooth, shiny doll-person parts
>>121832015
If I can rub their dolljoints it's all good.
Does anyone remember what's the name of the site where you can hire or rate artists and writers? I can't seem to find it any more.
>>121832406
Is it about quality of work or work ethics?
Because I'd be interested in the latter.
>>121832406
ratemypeon.com?
>>121832406
Lemmasoft... heh
>>121832667
Blasphemous
>>121832406
Conceptart.org?
>>121831246
Like the beginning of Telltale's "The Walking Dead", where right before the police car hits the zombie you're given 4 options of "Oh shit", "watch out", "Scream", "What the hell?" and less than a second to pick an option. It doesn't change much, but it's there.
>>121832491
Both, from what I remember. I kind of wanted to join, but all the artists I saw there were a bit underwhelming. But then, I thought I could keep an eye on it in case more interesting artists showed up.
>>121832797
Nope.
> when someone takes so long to email you back that you don't even remember emailing them.
Threadly reminder to NAME AND SHAME (con)artists.
AJ Tilley's Highschool Romance is coming out on November 13th. I guess he dropped the word crossdressing from the title for reasons.
https://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=155
>>121842440
It was that Buonarroti guy.
>>121845987
You mean Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni?
>>121846484
yeah, those fucking renaissance artists.
>>121848729
who wants to fuck renaissance artists?
>>121849186
[insert several posts of discussion of 'but what if they were hot guys/girls' and how to make a game about them that never comes to fruition]
>>121849467
hey, we might still see that saint fucking game some day.
>>121844939
>"Fun art style"
>Two obviously Japanese names out of nowhere
>Girl named Hoshi
>Selina's noted for being buxom despite not being much bigger than anyone else
>>121844939
I'm really shit at logos but every time I see one of Tilly's, I realize I could be much, much worse.
>>121850261
Nah, I'll buy UltimateBoob Wars!! ~Big Breasts vs Flat Chests~ instead. It's much more shameless and idiotic, I'd rather go all in.
Statistics:
The game contains 5,735 dialogue blocks, containing 44,862 words and 241,260
characters, for an average of 7.8 words and 42 characters per block.
The game contains 28 menus, 689 images, and 59 screens.
Remember to set config.developer to False before releasing.
Lint is not a substitute for thorough testing. Remember to update Ren'Py
before releasing. New releases fix bugs and improve compatibility.
Okay...
>>121851976
What?
>>121852192
It appears that someone is posting progress.
>>121851190
If your looking for recommendations from MangaGamer you could try: euphoria, Sweet Sweat in Summer: The Naughty Girl and Her Ripe Scent, Milles, Knight of Anal Tyranny ~Impregnated by Lusty Tentacles at the Ends of Oblivion~, and Cum on! Bukkake Ranch! ~Rear Elementals Into Wet, Horny Girls!~. And if you just can't get enough strong women getting violated, might I suggest: Valkyrie Svia, Armored Warrior Iris, and Space Pirate Sara.
I haven't played Bukkake Ranch and euphoria isn't out yet, but I can attest to the content of all of the other vns. They'll make great inspirational material if you're into those fetishes.
>>121853580
euphoria is a whole different kind of shameless than the rest of those.
3rd person past with NVL mode.
Will anyone even give it a chance or should I just scrap everything for first person present ADV?
>>121856324
I will, I don't care about tense at all 2bh.
>>121856324
>>121856895
*Just as long as the story is good.
>>121856324
>Will anyone even give it a chance
generally a stupid question to ask
no matter what fuckery you come up with, SOMEONE will give it a try.
WAKE UP
>>121863357
(wake up)
>>121855086
Isn't it like the sex version of Saw?
JP interviews AJ Tilley.
http://vnsnow.com/2015/11/vns-now-talks-to-aj-tilley-about-the-studio-split-recent-controversies-and-the-future/
>>121863950
>Is this cage hell or paradise?
>They wake up in a white room remembering nothing――
>The protagonist Takato Keisuke and 6 others are locked up in these hidden white rooms. His childhood friend Hokari Kanae, classmate Andou Miyako, underclassmate Makiba Rika, English teacher Aoi Natsuki, same year Byakuya Rinne, and classmate Manaka Nemu. While still confused about their unusual situation, a “mystery voice” suddenly speaks to them: “A game has now started.”
>In order to escape the room, Keisuke is the “unlocker” and one heroine the “keyhole”. With an assigned act, he must “use the key”.
>After hearing the unreasonable and immoral requirements to win, Miyako gets pissed and snaps on the “mystery voice”. Suddenly the lights go out. The girls scream. The lights come back on, reilluminating the white room. They can see Miyako bound to a grotesque torture device.
>“Anyone who quits the game will die”
>Her screaming begins in tandem with the electrical current. With eyes wide open in fear, she pisses and shits herself. Everyone else starts freaking out. However, Keisuke seemed to be getting aroused by Miyako’s appearance. That was his secret, his urge to assault and humiliate girls.
>However, Nemu could see right through him and knew. Nemu takes advantage, forcing the protagonist to submit to him as she brings her lips up to his: “This is a contract kiss.”
>Keisuke was surprised by Nemu’s behavior but he wants to protect Kanae and decides for the sake of escaping, he will violate the others. Can Keisuke escape the white rooms and return to his normal life? Or will he hold back his own dark urges…? ―――It is you who decides in the end.
https://vndb.org/v6540
> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=545730058&searchtext=
I'm all for fun games, but everything about this is cringeworthy.
>>121864415
Oh boy, another "ironic" game.
>>121864653
this kind of stuff is why no one takes games with non-human love interests seriously.
>>121864415
Bass sprites and those other free sprites? Not quite impressive anymore.
Guys... tell my why I should remove Jake's Battle Engine from my game... aside from the fact that Jake is nowhere to be found as of the moment.
>>121867532
because you're too clueless to either program yourself or manage someone else's code?
>>121867205
They are planning to kickstart it, too. Hopefully the money would go to custom sprites because what else could they use it for...?
>>121868329
I've already implemented it in my game... but I have mix feelings about including that Creative Common licensed-asset.
>>121851976
that's nearly identical to mine including the 28 menus and i nearly flipped my wig
>>121869425
That is the current lint after I cut days 22-60 something last April. I had one route down but I decided that it'd be best to rewrite it considering I did rush it.
>>121868567
i dont know what jake's battle engine looks like but surely it cant be too hard to come up with something similar if it's jrpg
it ded again
Am I welcomed?
>>121874135
If only I knew how to critique.
Anyone work with no bull intentions before?
>>121874135
Hot fucking damn.
Are there any 2deep5me evn's? I'm thinking EVA levels, where you're left wondering what the fuck is going on the entire time? Anything?
>>121880156
I am working on it.
>>121880904
What's it called? I want a real mind fuck anon. Where people on one side will be arguing it makes no fucking sense and is just a bunch of incomprehensible shit slapped together and the other side will just say it's 2deep for their simple minds to understand. I'm counting on you, family.
>>121880156
>eva level
>EVA is deep
I suppose everything is "deep" when fans overspeculated on it.
Played through some of the Human Reignition demo and damn was it boring. Couldn't even finish it. But it got almost 50k on kickstarter, so I guess I'm missing something?
>>121882768
Sekai project pimped the hell out of it.
>>121883878
They ran the KS under SP's name but aside from a couple tweets I'm pretty sure Alienworks did everything themselves, like writing the updates and those postcards they mailed out.
>>121884120
Updates and postcards do not get backers. I'm not even sure where you'd send postcards to.
>>121884361
They handed them out at cons and mailed them to anyone who wanted them.
>>121884482
Oh yeah I guess that would bring in 50k.
Night night.
>>121882550
Eva is not "deep", but it has a very complicated setting and plot that is hard to understand after watching it only once.
The Christian symbolism is there just for the sake of it though and has no meaning at all.
Can I pursue the concept of mortal-immortal romance in a casual setting?
>>121886481
Who doesn't? Go read chicklit.
Bump for bad EVN fashion. JP should do an EVN Fashion Award thing.
>>121884361
>Updates and postcards do not get backers
Publicity does. Quality does, but not nearly as much.
See Megatokyo.
>>121874135
How much?
>>121889794
Megatokyo had a huge following. Why don't people get this? Just google the name and look at the results.
>>121890362
Exactly, a huge following and shit looks.
>>121867532
Is it a commercial game? From what I recall, only people who make commercial games need to ask for a commercial license. That applies to KS projects as well.
>>121891030
For this game, no. But I'm considering, or more planning for expandability. Which could mean expanding the game/project to a commercial one. I don't recall the exact license but if it did have an SA (share alike) clause included, it's going to kill...
Holy fuck I do admit not having to fully understand the Share Alike clause.
>>121892173
I asked him: the license is actually "Non Commercial". That means that you can only use it for non commercial games, unless he gives you a commercial license.
That said, he's also said that he's dropped support for it, so keep that in mind going forward - you wouldn't be working with an actively supported framework. I don't know whether there are actively supported RPG frameworks for Ren'Py, so I can't recommend any alternative.
In short, you're fine for a free game, but not for a commercial one.
Finished my commission. It was a fun two months, 11gb of music project files, around 40 tracks done. Like, this EVN has lots of music.
Now I'm going to take a shower and read manuals before the next commission starts (a trailer scheduled this Thursday).
>>121863357
WAKE UP
>>121892803
So, how much did it cost that EVN?
>>121893243
Around $7600 by my calculations here
>>121893871
>7600 for two months of work
Ugh
>>121893871
I dont expect you to say the project, but i am curious if they really think they'll make back that much money in sales.
>>121894075
Is that an ugh of jealousy or of contempt at being paid so little?
>>121894221
It may be dischan's musician looping in time after DS Ep.2 kickstarter
>>121892803
Are you also going to buy more equipment? I feel there's some keyboard somewhere that needs to be bought.
>>121894221
Based on the art alone I'd say it's probably going to turn a profit. It just looks really good, and isn't something we get a lot on the Western market but sells like hotcakes in Japan and gets a following here so I think the big scope is worth it.
>>121894801
Definitely. This time of the year people start selling gear like crazy because they want to travel and stuff, so I'm going to be keeping an eye out for synths.
>>121894965
>isn't something we get a lot on the Western market but sells like hotcakes in Japan
Is it honest to goodness moe girl porn? Or just moe girls I guess.
>>121895101
Can't say what it is, but it's not that. I do hear a few rumors about projects like that in development hell, though.
I asked one of the judges from the grant and they sent me the broken down score - I thought I may share this, in case any of you intends to present your project to investors/contests.
In order, it reads: Project name, studio, team members, buiness model, orginality, intelectual property, art, pitch, points & overall score.
Basically, they LOVED everything about visual novels... except the prospect of how much money it might make. So my advice is really, really emphasize the idea that there IS a market for your idea. (Although I think being a niche of a niche brought down the score quite a little bit in my case).
>check email
>Sunrider beta arrived
yeah boi
>>121895904
Is that a hardcopy?
>>121895151
Remember to post it in here once it's announced, anon. I'm curious.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q_M1JVYGYfMqTThxle7nJbmCCptkccg31kykkKEMJZY/editSo, who's going to audition?
>>121895228
I knew I was on the right track encouraging people to write blobkbuster tier stories.
>>121899441
What is this?
>>121900218
Trying to pay girls to say b-b-baka
>>121900791
baka senpai desu
>>121899478
More like 'gay monsters are a hard sell'.
>>121902902
Gay shouldn't be that hard, after all,
It's
2015
>>121903196
It's not so much that it's hard by itself, but that it's visual novel (niche) -> BL (niche) -> monsters (niche).
>>121903287
And as Sekai Project learned, visual novel (niche) -> BL (niche) -> turn into magical girls (niche).
>>121903565
Yeah, at some point you have to consider whether you are shrinking you target audience too much given your goal $$$.
>>121903196
hey /tv/ (or Canada)
>>121903878/pol/(ironically)
>>121904250
what a coincidence my white friend, I go theremostly unironically, not a nazi but the modern world pushes me further towards right wing every day
>>121904630
>slavs
>white
Less prosperous societies tend to have less of those problems tee bee eich ass em eich, hence the irony.
You should totally think of joining my super political VN project though :^)
Threadly reminder that people who use Kickstarter and make other games before they finish are scum.
>>121906130
also " but our team is biiig enough" sounds like an excuse. If it's true, then just don't announce the other project.
>>121904630
i started out as a moderate liberal in high school but now im pretty much a reactionary
i blame the left going straight back to the crazy stuff as soon as they managed a victory
>>121911531
Pretty much same life story, I was openly a feminist and then third wave feminism started getting popular. i didn't sign up for this shit, and neither did the working women I know and admire.
Anyway, EVNs.
>>121911531
>>121911960
What do most modern feminists think about evns?
>>121912094
Let's not go there.
>>121912094
There is no 'most modern feminists', it's too big and too broad, and there are too many individual sects that yell REALLY LOUDLY and insist that they represent everybody when they don't.
A lot of EVN devs are feminists who love hentai and are fine with rape and lolis and whatever because IT'S FICTION, DUH.
>>121913463
>A lot of EVN devs are feminists who love hentai and are fine with rape and lolis and whatever because IT'S FICTION, DUH.
It would be hyprocrital if they weren't, considering the content of a lot of otome/bl.
>>121913556
How many EVN types can read enough japanese to play that kind of otome/BL games?
Voltage games are, afaik, entirely yandere-free and that's the vast majority of what got into English. I don't think they do shota either.
>>121913556
I've yet to see an EVN otome or bl go into creepy territory. Usually the boys are sickeningly kosher
http://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33511
Too bad I didn't find it just in time for the last thread.
>>121914432
I think there are a lot of demon boyfriends that are a bit evil but that's clearly painted as 'dangerous romance' and not as 'yes, it's perfectly normal for your boyfriend to lock you in a cage'
>>121913829
A good majority of N+C games have english patches and the official releases we got back in the day (Animamundi, Enzai, Absolut Obedience) has very questionable content.
Though I do fear the day that most devs come straight from playing mobages because... yikes.
>>121914781
Well, that has an official english release too now.
Highschool Romance has been delayed until November 18.
>>121917668
... when it will still suck.
The Royal Trap is now The Royal Trap: The Confines of the Crown. Here's how the voting went:
>After removing a few duplicates from the same IP, the votes come out:
>56% developer choice
>17% change to completely new title
>26% add a subtitle
And if you want to read Hanako's reasoning for doing so, http://steamcommunity.com/app/356530/discussions/0/483367798506095862/#c490124466459986290.
Though I have a question, are the IP addresses based on your computer, or is it your router number that different computers can share?
>>121919609
It's possible for different computers to show as the same IP. There are other clues that can be logged, but people are less likely to disclose them and make it that much easier for fakes to spoof.
>http://vnsnow.com/2015/11/vns-now-talks-to-aj-tilley-about-the-studio-split-recent-controversies-and-the-future/
Can someone decipher this for me? Trying to read through both jp and ajtilleys rambling back to back is something else.
>>121919609
Glad they only added the subtitle, still think Hanako is a bitch nigga for replying to that and even considering to change the name.
>>121919609
It still demeans and silences trans people. Now it's talking about confines like how trans people confine their chests with tape.
>>121922234
I wish I could silence them. Not kill them, I don't mind them existing. I just want them to shut up.
Someone told me that Christine Love never wants to make vns again, but I can't find anything when I google it. What was that about?
>boring prose heavy scene
>way too long
>no idea how to fix
Kill me
>>121923774
That would fix it. A bit extreme, but it would fix your writing problem.
>>121922480
They shut up a long, long time before the "how dare you ever consider listening to complaints" crowd did.
>>121923837
It might also make your writing more valuable!
Not a good way of getting the script actually finished though.
>>121923774
Let us read it? We did give some feedback to the guy who posted their demo here.
>>121923078
Probably just struggling with the pressures of being expected to keep being successful.
Make one hit game and you're a celebrity! Five years from then you're flipping burgers or churning out romance novels to keep the lights on.
>>121924419
This is one of the most depressing things ive read all week.
>>121923078
I've seen her saying it too, and the reason given is that she wants to explore new types of games. I can't find her saying it directly though, just articles with other people saying so.
>>121924069
Didn't the people who wanted the title changed only stop when Hanako agreed to consider a title change?
>>121923078
I saw that post on twitter but if you ask me how to find it now I'd have no answer.
>>121922234
Are you joking or serious?
>>121925342
It's pretty obvious they are joking family.
