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Gravestone really should have just been the Ebon Hawk, it would have fit better
>>121539350
No it would not. You are retarded.
>this argument is STILL going on
I applaud you autists for your dedication
>>121539350
I'm curious to know where the Gravestone originates from. Clearly it's not Rakatian
>>121539350
Just burn this thread and make a new one
The Gravestone should have been the USS Enterprise, a superior ship from a superior Sci-fi series.
Adding the Ebon Hawk as some kind of important plot device would be incredibly fucking stupid.
If there's anything Star Wars works need to do is quit the whole self-referencing shit and dumb fan service.
Going through SoR for the first time, and I'm told going at Revan solo is just skipping straight to the end and not getting any of the additional storyline I'd get in the operation.
Is that true?
>>121539549
At least it's better than "le guild bank"
>tfw no pocket healer slut to erp with in-between pvp queues
Based Scorpio dropping the hard cold facts
>>121539350
retard
>>121539831
I hope we get the option to kill SCORPIO. And to let HK-51 do it.
>>121539741
>Just like how The Emporer is based of Palpatine, just like how the Sith are based off Darth Maul and Vader and Dooku with the red lightsabers, just like how the jedi use blue and green lightsabers. Just like how the sith use lightening because sheev did.
Emperor is not based on Palpatine at all outside of him ruling an Empire. Red sabers, force lightning and using emotion to control the force are all part of established Sith lore. These are not references you absolute fucking moron. This is called "lore", these are parts of the setting and the in-world culture.
Ebon Hawk is not. It's just a ship, and putting it in because we need a ship here is nothing more than a forced reference.
>>121539952
go fuck yourself
Guys, how useless if Hk-51 if I never had him before?
>>121539284
Here let me do the line by line quote thing like you.
>What exposition?
It's called show and tell. You show the Ebon Hawk, everyone playing knows what it is even if the characters don't, but they'll immediatly recognize it as their ticket out of there, and that's really what they're looking for.
>WHY? It is not iconic you cockfaced idiot. It's just a fucking ship.
Of course it's iconic. It's the first thing you see in KotoR 2. There's a server named after it. The whole personal starship system is inspired its framework.
>AND WHERE THE FUCK IS THE STORYTELLING IN THE SHIP BEING EBON HAWK?
It's a ship they can use to get off the planet. It's a useful ship for sneaking around Zakuul space. It has a backstory, it has a history. That's what its story is.
>Where exactly is it forcibly referencing shit just for the sake of reference? Do provide examples.
Red sabers for the bad guys. Lightening coming out of the hands of bad guys. Dark colors for the bad guys. Smugglers who are suave and cunning and use blasters. Bounty hunters with jetpacks. The list goes on pally.
Hk-51 would have been better if he was just hk47
>just got done with Coruscant
>all quests on both Tython and Coruscant, exploration and heroics included
>4 daily FP
>level 35
>turning zakuul upside down just to get revenge
Feels good to be Sith
>>121540003
And where do you think lore comes from? People took those references from the iconcism of the source material and expanded on them. They didn't have to use lightening, they could have used fire, or some other destructive natural element.
The propensity for Star Wars storytellers to expand and use the things from previous source material is where the new stories come from. It's not from "it is what it is m8 they thought it up and it just happens to connect with everything". That's not an argument. There's no evidence. That inworld culture grows from extrapolating scenes of imagery from the movies and source material inspired from the movies and so on.
i love deception pvp
>>121540338
>It's called show and tell. You show the Ebon Hawk, everyone playing knows what it is even if the characters don't, but they'll immediatly recognize it as their ticket out of there, and that's really what they're looking for.
And what does it add to the story? What plot points does it unveil, introduce or explore upon?
>Of course it's iconic. It's the first thing you see in KotoR 2. There's a server named after it.The whole personal starship system is inspired its framework.
This doesn't make a thing iconic.
>It's a ship they can use to get off the planet. It's a useful ship for sneaking around Zakuul space. It has a backstory, it has a history. That's what its story is.
And where is the storytelling in the ship being explicitly Ebon Hawk while nobody recognizes it as such? This is not storytelling. There is no story to tell.
>Red sabers for the bad guys.
This is established Sith lore, not a reference.
>Lightening coming out of the hands of bad guys.
Established Sith lore, not a reference.
>Dark colors for the bad guys.
Established Sith lore, not a reference.
>Smugglers who are suave and cunning and use blasters.
Smugglers are supposed to be rogue outlaws, meaning they are charming scoundrels. It's not a reference again.
>Bounty Hunters with jetpacks.
This is what Bounty Hunters use in-world. Not a reference.
See, you're mistaking parts of the lore, which means "how the fictional world works and what rules govern it" with references. Which means you're simply retarded.
>>121540338
Alright, if you think you're so much better at writing than anyone Bioware has employed, come up with a feasible situation for the Ebon Hawk to be in the Endless Swamp on Zakuul
I'd lick a twi'lek's lekku
>>121540886
Well see the problem is you think an argument is just "counter point no evidence my head cannon rules yours"
The fictional world of star wars, "the lore" is built off the imagery of the films. Writers who expand on the universe take the imagery and give it reason. From your perspective you're saying the lore came before the movies which honestly m8 is just delusional and actually you are the one who is retarded especially if you mechanically are wasting your time to so lengthly copy and paste such a redundant argument which has no weight or reason to it.
>>121540729
>People took those references from the iconcism of the source material and expanded on them.
People took what was shown in the movies and expanded upon that. That is all there is to it.
And yes, in-world it is what it is m8 and they thought it up and it just happens to connect with everything because it's retroactive.
Palpatine uses lightning -> lore grows stating that Force Lightning is a Sith technique channeling dark side of the force -> Tyrannus uses it and multiple other Sith do.
This is not a reference, this is called world building.
>>121541283
Do explain where exactly is the storytelling in the ship being Ebon Hawk and what story does this tell.
Show me the exposition created by the ship being Ebon Hawk. Which part of the plot does it develop?
>>121541145
i wanna fuck darth talon
>>121540114
>>121541665
>no darth talon gf
>>121541921
>no darth talon figurine to cum on
>>121540338
Dude, having the EH around just for the sake of having a kinda recognizable old element from the series would be lazy as fuck.
Why would you even defend something like that is beyond me, it's on par with Lucas shoehorning the droids in the prequels for little reason besides "HEY REMEMBER THESE FUNNY GUYS? WELL THEY'RE HERE TOO!"
>>121541283
>The fictional world of star wars, "the lore" is built off the imagery of the films. Writers who expand on the universe take the imagery and give it reason.
Congratulations, you now begin to understand how lore building works. Now you have to understand that it's a circle. Vader using a red saber builds lore saying that the Sith use red sabers. Now Vader uses a red saber because he's Sith. Jabba is a greedy cunning fatass bastard. His species is Hutt. Hutt are a race of greedy cunning fatass bastards. Jabba is a greedy cunning fatass bastard because he's a Hutt.
Is your tiny brain beginning to understand this now?
Does the spark of understanding why shoehorning Ebon Hawk into the Zakuul swamps has nothing in common with any of this appear maybe?
>>121540084
fuck off scorpio
>>121541004
You don't need to. Here let me show you how the story could have been improved while still keeping it suspenseful.
Chapter 1:
Only bring the PC to the bridge. Marr's whereabouts are unknown, we can bring him back alive later. Killing him off was retarded because he's the only complex imperial character left.
Chapter 2:
Lana and Theron save the Outlander with T7 and hk55 there is no Koth. Vaelyn destroys the reactor in a less dramatic way.
>Chapter 3
They crash land in the swamp and discover the Ebon Hawk but don't know what it is. They get back into flying shape quickly because it doesn't seem too badly damaged. Like it landed and was abandoned. Skytroopers discover them they meet Senya, there's no retarded scene where you lift the ship out of the mud and the ship outruns the Zakuul fleet just as it fires, just like how the Millenium Falcon outran the Empire (as the scene is heavily referencing that jump).
Chapter 4
You land on Odessen. Theran takes you to meet a contact that Lana doesn't know about, he's keeping a secret from her. The tension is that while everyone is working together there are still a few secrets here and there. The reason Theran doesn't want Lana to know because he's taking you to meet someone who will outfit the ship with cloaking device. Then you meet the Scions and you return to Zakuul for chapter 5 (i think i might be messing up the chapters.)
Chapter 6 goes normally, except you can bring Theran to smooth talk the heralds instead of Senya
Chapter 7 - 8
I'm sure I'm missing something but Scorpio does her thing with the ship and says it has an interesting history. It gets locked down. Yadda yadda free docking clamps, cloak the ship, tension when it doesn't work, scorpio fixes it, you blast off.
Chapter 9
Instead of your regular ship you use the ebon hawk
there much better. leaves more utility for future plot points than just "blow up the fleet".
>empress of the sith
I wonder when we get to meet her
>this whole argument
Who let George back in the threads?
>>121542483
And what does having the ship be explicitly Ebon Hawk add to the story outside of a pointless reference to the old game?
And why is it even on Zakuul if it was abandoned on Dromund Kaas?
>>121542483
Why do you keep calling Theron "Theran"?
>>121542483
You could do that with literally any ship, not just he Ebon Hawk. "oh this ship has some history to it (wink wink nudge nudge)" isn't fucking story or development or whatever you're calling it now. It's shit.
>>121542483
Why use docking clamps on such a tiny ship?
Since when can Ebon Hawk cloak?
Why would SCORPIO mention the ship's history or want to come with you?
>>121542764
it's a fanfiction.net tier shitty reference.
"this has no bearing on the story or anything but know that your belt was once used by julius caesar"
>>121540338
>Red sabers for the bad guys. Lightening coming out of the hands of bad guys. Dark colors for the bad guys. Smugglers who are suave and cunning and use blasters. Bounty hunters with jetpacks. The list goes on pally.
These kind of references are equivalent to the smuggler ship looking like the Ebon Hawk.
Actually bringing the Ebon Hawk back would be more along the lines of replacing Vitiate in the story with Sheev and replacing Shae Vizla with Boba Fett even though neither of them fucking belong in this era.
>>121542483
>They crash land in a ZAKUUL swamp and discover the Ebon Hawk
asithwizard did it
>>121542501
>bitch this is MY empire
realistically with the death of most of the dark council you pretty much are unstoppable.
Ebon Hawk is overrated anyway. I don't see the big deal about it
>>121543036
literally just one autist who can't let go of his childhood
>>121542126
i've always wanted to cum on a fig, going to try it out if i ever end up living alone
>>121543036
There is no big deal about it. It's a ship you steal from a crime lord because it was faster than the other ships you might have been able to steal at that exact moment. That's its one claim to fame. Being faster than any other ship that was immediately obtainable.
>>121542964
it's hard to even call these references. it's just what everyone knows sith and smugglers do, common knowledge.
if you had a calm and collected villain using a curved hilt lightsaber, that's a reference.
>>121542220
You're just rephrasing what I've already said and trying to act like you're smart when really you're just simple minded.
The Ebon Hawk isn't the key to plot development, since you clearly don't read anything I've written let me rephrase everything for you simply as not to stress your peanut brain (since this is clearly how you like to talk to people who disagree with you).
The Gravestone is a shit idea. Replacing it with a ship less important to the conclusion of the story makes the story more suspenseful and overall just better. Using the Ebon Hawk adds more character to the story without taking too much time in exposition explaining what it is and leaves future side points for the story of the ship to be exposed. The Ebon Hawk is the only ship in the KotoR/SwtoR lore that allows for this to work because its backstory is already established, and it fits the role perfectly and simplifies the story without making it less complex and adding more depth and lore and suspense and other characteristics to it.
Does that penetrate your lemur mind bby?
>>121543028
Does this mean SW/SI can become the new Sith Emperor?
Even if the Ebon Hawk was in there instead of the Gravestone, Koth would've taken it for himself anyway.
>>121543349
>Using the Ebon Hawk adds more character to the story
This is why everyone hates you. It doesn't add character to the story at all unless "character" is some code word for cringey references and forced callbacks.
>>121543349
>its backstory is already established
like being abandoned on Dromund Kaas three hundred years ago
Jesus christ somebody make an ebon hawk general to contain these fucking autists
>>121543349
>The Ebon Hawk is the only ship in the KotoR/SwtoR lore that allows for this to work because its backstory is already established
No backstory is needed for a fucking ship. It's a ship, it's airtight, and it has a hyperdrive. There's your fucking backstory.
>>121542126
>>121543169I came on a lego Ahsoka a few years back. A good couple times, actually. I was going through a weird phase.
>>121543349
Using Ebon Hawk is nothing more but a forced reference to KoTOR. It can be any other ship.
The only thing it adds is that people who played KoTOR can pat themselves on the back and go all like WOW IT'S EBON HAWK. Outside of that it's absolutely meaningless if it's that ship or a run-down D5-Mantis.
Absolutely nothing is added to the plot or to the theme of the story, making using Ebon Hawk nothing more than a shoehorned callback, or if you will, a forced reference.
Also, how do you put it on Zakuul if it was abandoned on Dromund Kaas hundreds of years earlier?
>>121543367V I T I A T E
>>121542795
Fine put it in a hanger and have the hanger drop a forcefield preventing it's escape. SCORPIO wants to come with you because she knows who you are and that you're fighting against Arcann she wants what Arcann stole from her.
>>121542630
Because Consular storyline.
>>121542764
Because it's better than nothing. It's something. Everyone here is talking about lore. It's a part of Swtor lore. It has more lore than other ship, and it can have more lore added to it faster than introducing a new ship. It's the same difference as having Theron over Koth. Theron doesn't need the exposition, but he can have Koth's role layered onto him. Koth needs the expostion ontop of his role, and if he doesn't get it, he becomes a shit character.
Is it just me, or does ingame Valkorion look like Christoper Lee?
>>121543731
He's not interested in that position anymore.
>>121543745
>Because it's better than nothing. It's something. Everyone here is talking about lore. It's a part of Swtor lore. It has more lore than other ship, and it can have more lore added to it faster than introducing a new ship.
You don't need a backstory for a fucking ship that's only there for you to run away from a planet. Not to mention that making it a very specific ship with it's place in the previous games' lore you're forcing in a callback to those games for absolutely no reason.
>>121543745
>Because it's better than nothing. It's something.
Forced references are not better than nothing m8
>It's the same difference as having Theron over Koth
No it isn't. Your character already worked with Theron. Lana already worked with Theron. It makes perfect sense for him to be called in when the two of you need more assistance, like it or not. The Ebon Hawk is just an asspull from nowhere that has no connection to your character and no reason to be around other than >>121543725
>people who played KoTOR can pat themselves on the back and go all like WOW IT'S EBON HAWK
>ITT: Angry neckbeards arguing with a literal 12 year old
>>121544176
gotta have something to do in between fap sessions, am i rite fellow neckies?
>>121544176
I'm actually amazed this conversation has held for this long.
>>121543635
that's pretty hot, got any pictures?
If I keep myself overleveled, do I have to upgrade gear or can I keep using whatever since it will scale regardless.Asking again because it got forgotten in previous thread.
>>121543497
Character just means it makes the story more interesting than it just moving it emotionally from point A to B. Everyone is suggesting just use any old ship. But wouldn't it be better to use a ship that is already established? What if none of the companions or characters return in KotFE? Would you have like that? Since we have established that companions do come back, and it keeps the story moving fluidly by showing and not telling, why not bring back the Ebon Hawk and do the same?
>>121543521
300 years is a long time. It's not hard to make up a simple explination. It got discovered, mothballed, it was fixed up and used to prospect wild space for minerals, found Zakuul, landed discreetly on the marsh to take readings, crew gets eaten by wildlife. done.
>>121543725
Read above for your second question. And what is added to the plot? The continuing story of the Ebon Hawk is added. Future plot points of rediscovering its history, there's more to the Ebon Hawk than using a nameless ship, and it doesn't have to become a major plot point like the Gravestone.
I still think it's fits better as a replacement for the Gravestone. Thematically if the discovery of the gravestone is supposed to be "destiny", then a ship that has been connected to two legendary should fit that bill. I think it's a good way to continue the legacy of KotoR, but if everyone can only see it as a forced reference, and something that can be continued to be developed, then I can't change your mind outside of the arguments I've posted.
>tfw game assumes you give half a shit about lana
>>121544684
It was years ago. Didn't own a camera of any sort then, don't now. Thing's lost, too.Plus I washed it after every time
>>121544858
because the Ebon Hawk has literally zero references in SWTOR and it's literally just your fanboyism that's sustaining this argument
>>121544858
I think you're missing the point of the Gravestone entirely. There's little to no hope of defeating Arcann's army except for the deus ex machina right under their noses.
really bad thread and really bad times
>>121545258
It's pretty solid evidence that people are convinced their own shit doesn't stink.
>best sith waifu isn't even a romance option
>or a proper companion
You fucked up, Bioware.
You really fucked up.
FUCK WHOEVER MADE THE HK-51 QUEST
>>121544858
>Character just means it makes the story more interesting
contrived bullshit doesn't make stories more interesting.
> What if none of the companions or characters return in KotFE? Would you have like that?
Do you seriously not understand the difference between continuing the story of a character who has already interacted with the main character and been a part of this story, and dragging a relic out of a different story and forcing it in?
>300 years is a long time. It's not hard to make up a simple explination. It got discovered, mothballed, it was fixed up and used to prospect wild space for minerals, found Zakuul, landed discreetly on the marsh to take readings, crew gets eaten by wildlife. done.
I thought the point of using such a familiar ship was to save time on exposition. This seems like quite the opposite.
>The continuing story of the Ebon Hawk is added. Future plot points of rediscovering its history
No one cares about the ship's story or history.It's a ship.
>there's more to the Ebon Hawk than using a nameless ship
Yeah, you know what the Ebon Hawk has that a nameless ship doesn't? A name. Look, my Smuggler renamed his ship the Superb Owl. Now it's just as special and plot relevant as the Ebon Hawk.
>>121545040
But you're only saying that because that's the solution Bioware has Tentativly presented. The whole reason we're having this argument is because I think that finding this wondership that can destroy fleets in a swamp, and that we can replace it with a ship that's still a "wondership" but isn't as important to the conclusion of the story.
The conclusion can be more complex then "shoot laser win war". And it should be more complex. But the Gravestone is such an important part of the story, to keep the cohesion of the themes already present without drastically rewriting anything but the inevitable Deus Ex ending is by putting in a ship that can fill the role that people already like and know without adding tons of convoluted new backstory.
I don't want the ending to be shit because you shoot a laser walk into the throne room and win. Star Wars has always been about the scrappy little guy fighting the big bad guy. There's no tension or suspense to the story when your character already has the "I win button".
>>121545471
>implying she doesn't take cocks on a daily basis on Nar Shaddaa
>>121545580
I mean, you signed up for it when you started playing a Bioware game
>>121545640
I bet she doesn't even know what a dick is
would you pay for an explicit sex cutscenes dlc?
>>121545539
Your argument
>IT'S JUST A SHIP. SHIPS CAN'T HAVE STORY OR NAMES UNGA
I guess the Enterprise, Normandy SDF1 are just ships too and there is no reason to carry their names forward into new seasons or sequels. I mean there's no legacy or interesting backstory behind those names right?
>>121545768
not with those models
>>121545768
Only if it's explicitly NOT modeled by Bioware
>>121545580
>slightly souped up otherwise generic freighter
>wondership
holy shit you're deluded
>>121543839
Eh, maybe a little.
>>121545768
>the awkward stiff, unnatural animation
>the awkward clipping
Oh man
No, no
>>121545539
I mean, I'd respect a ship named the Superb Owl.>tfw can't go back and view cutscenes with different armor/pick different responses
>>121545682
To be fair man, I've bought every Bioware game since Baulder's Gate 2 with my own money. To see them go from transferring these cool stories about the Forgotten Realms to a video game, to basically these predictable 4 act stories of
Act 1 -> Betrayal, Act 2 -> search for enemy. Act3 -> Betrayal Act 4 -> showdown
No one really makes the kinds of games like Bioware. CDProjkt and Obsidian come close but those are companies that make games inspired by Bioware games from the past. I keep playing them because I like Star Wars and only Bioware makes Space themed rpgs instead of the usual sword and shittery.
>>121545910
>his face
>don't say it you motherfucker
>fine, do it, i fucking dare you
>>121545816
not any of those guysjust kidding I'm ALL of thembut you're a fucking idiot
PROTIP:the most important element from those ships isn't the ship itself, you're being too shallow
>>121545816
>I guess the Enterprise, Normandy SDF1 are just ships too and there is no reason to carry their names forward into new seasons or sequels. I mean there's no legacy or interesting backstory behind those names right?
Exactly.
Also, with the Normandy there were legitimate in-universe reasons why the characters who built the second Normandy might want to make a callback to the original. The Normandy was the most advanced ship in its class and the Normandy SR2 or whatever it was called was intended to be its successor by the people who built it. There is no god reason why the exact same generic smuggler ship would show up 300 years later. I mean, ok, if you had a similar situation where the Ebon Hawk was widely renowned for being the best ship ever, and the Alliance decided to build the Ebon Hawk MK2? Yeah, that might be acceptable.
>We are an RP guild focused on the teachings of Darth Sion, Lord of Pain! We are friendly and helpful
BC is so dumb sometimes
Are you people still arguing about fucking ship cameos?
>>121545820
>>121545845
>>121545978
what if they are actual cg cutscenes made by blur?
>>121546276
It's not about what's most important, but if you say
>IT'S JUST A SHIP
over and over again, well you're wrong. Objects can have personality and significance and history just like people can. But instead of them being able to tell you, you have to discover it. That's the story, and the exposition comes from.
>>121546490
I'd just pirate the cutscene
>>121546470
What the fuck are "the teachings of Darth Sion" supposed to be? Being too fucking angry to die?
>>121545768
I would pay for Ebon Hawk sex cutscene DLC.
>>121546490
I mean, yeah. I'd pay for a lot of what Blur does.
>>121546509
>Objects can have personality and significance and history just like people can
They can, but the Ebon Hawk doesn't.
>wow, someone used it to go on adventure once, such history and significance even though a billion other ships could have done the job
>>121546470
>>We are an RP guild focused on the teachings of Darth Sion, Lord of Pain! We are friendly and helpful
thanks for the laugh anon
>>121546490
>one million dollars a minute porn
kek
>>121546640
it's probably a thin excuse for BDSM ERP
>>121546606
What if there was a dialogue wheel for sex maneuvers?
>>121546378
That was rhetorical. Of course there is significance to those names you can't imagine the next generation without the circular bridge of the Enterprise. Or even the name of the Enterprise. The ship itself was a major part of bringing people back to the series. And if that's what KotFE is about, the Ebon Hawk can do the same.
You keep linking the Ebon Hawk's significance to what it can do. I'm saying that's completely irrelevant. The Ebon Hawk's signficiance is its history and backstory. It something may not be as cemented as the Enterprise and its successors, but it's something that can be continued to be developed because it's there and it already has layers of story attached to it.
Seriously though when can I replace my Interceptor? I was really hoping that we could finally get something that didn't look like ass.
>>121546902
really don't care that much dude
>>121546936
>it's there
it really isn't
not even in the sense of someone like the Smuggler going "I wish my ship would be as famous as the Ebon Hawk one day"
>>121546979
never
Is Vanguard and Sentinel a good combo for levelling?
OP companions kept out of the equation of course.
>>121546694
I mean if you purposely are hating the Ebon Hawk because you don't like my idea then from your perspective you';re no better than me if you think I'm hyping it up because I think it's the greatest ship ever.
You can say it doesn't but it does. Revan used it, the Exile used it, it had a history with the exchange even before it landed in Revan's hands. All you're saying is that none of this happened and the Ebon Hawk is my fanfiction.
>118 posts
>only 18 pictures
come on /swgg/, let's see those cuties
>>121547054
It really is. Saying it isn't, isn't an argument it's just your own musings.
>>121547417
It was just a tool. Saying it wasn't, isn't an argument it's just your own musings.
>>121547417
>abandoned 300 years ago on Kaas
>not seen since
>zero references in 4 years of game
its time has long passed
let it go, anon
What can I spend my glowing data crystals on besides gear? I mostly only PvP and the 216 PvE gear doesn't really seem worth it since I am just losing all my augmented gear and my set bonuses.
>>121547567
Well all our companions are tools too edge master. Saying they're not isn't an argument it's just your own musings.
>>121547054
Can I at least steal the Agent's ship? If I could fuck ships I would fuck that ship.
>>121547287
>>121547536
And a durka durka allahu akbar to you too, my friend!
>>121547860
fuck off with that disgusting piece of shit
>>121547287
>>121547818
They are characters, they add to your character story, as there's a certain level of input/output between you and them besides "take me to this place".
>>121547906
But that's a space nun.
>>121547908
I'll bite, you've b8'd me into posting more screens.
>>121546936
>you can't imagine the next generation without the circular bridge of the Enterprise
I'm not familiar with Star Trek but I don't think anyone lost the Enterprise and then dug it out of a swamp 300 years later. And if they did, that's just as retarded.
>You keep linking the Ebon Hawk's significance to what it can do. I'm saying that's completely irrelevant. The Ebon Hawk's signficiance is its history and backstory.
Having significance and backstory isn't a good enough reason to force something from one story into another. The Ebon Hawk isn't going to get more "Developed" if it gets brought back. tehre are no lingering mysteries to the Ebon Hawk. It's a generic smuggler ship that does generic smuggler ship things. Replace it with generic XS Freighter and nothing is lost.
>>121548046
أنا متأكد من أنها هي، يا صديقي. راهبة الفضاء الحقيقية في خدمة الله الرحمن الرحيم
>>121548143
You look like you're constantly smelling someones fart.
>>121548046
Nuns can be cute!
>stuck
>type /stuck
>gets me even more stuck and cant even quick travel because now im floating in midair waving my arms around like harry houdini
>>121547860
>>121548143
this bitch's face is nasty as fuck
>>121548258
Is Swtor worth getting back intoand spending five bucks for those sweet character slotsfor a non-subscriber/"preferred" player?
>>121547779
You can buy the blue exotic crafting material on Odessen but that's about it, I think
>>121547287
alright then
maybe when my internet is better I'll post her taking Arcann's massive rod
>>121547287
This is what happens when people argue over ships.
>>121547638
Let me just say again since everyone is so blinded by rage they can't read two words before zoning in on "ebon hawk" and getting triggered. Not saying you're doing this, but if you read what others are interpreting my argument to be you may misunderstand my position.
>The whole reason we're having this argument is because I think that finding this wondership that can destroy fleets in a swamp, and that we can replace it with a ship that's still a "wondership" but isn't as important to the conclusion of the story.
The conclusion can be more complex then "shoot laser win war". And it should be more complex. But the Gravestone is such an important part of the story, to keep the cohesion of the themes already present without drastically rewriting anything but the inevitable Deus Ex ending is by putting in a ship that can fill the role that people already like and know without adding tons of convoluted new backstory.
I don't want the ending to be shit because you shoot a laser walk into the throne room and win. Star Wars has always been about the scrappy little guy fighting the big bad guy. There's no tension or suspense to the story when your character already has the "I win button".
A lot of people are sort of cornering themselves into this idea of just "it's a tool, tools are tools they can be nothing more. Inanimate objects have no storytelling prupose or flavour outside of moving from point A to B.:
I really can't understand people like that. Stories throughout history from Excalibur to Narnia to Dr. Who show that objects, can have history, and they can have story, and personality. It begins by giving it a name, then giving it a story, and giving falsely seeing human emotions in them because the characters become attached to them.
Honestly if you don't believe that stories can have things like this, I don't know what to say, it's a thing that stories have, it's how stories are made interesting.
>>121548443
no, this game would have been 10/10 if it had the Ebon Hawk in it but as it stands it's shit
>>121548434
>exhaust fumes
>>121548443
Really it's just better to sub for a month
>>121548384
>>121548024
Not really m8 they just help you get from place to another like a ship. Giving them a name and backstory and a coat of paint doesn't really make them any different from the other 4 bt npcs that wander around.
>>121548697
woah
>>121547287
>>121548619
That's doable as well since I'm no longer a NEET. I don't really need 20+ character slots unless I have people to play with or a way to powerlevel them quickly.
>>121546936
>you can't imagine the next generation without the circular bridge of the Enterprise
I can't imagine TNG without the crew, the ship will eventually change, even in-universe, as it did when going from TOS to TNG.
Also, I recall TNG Enterprise crash landing in one of those shit movies, yet they rebuilt it I think? They could have picked another ship altogether and it would have been just the same, a rose by another name etc.
>>121548697
>>121548830
I see that look of intrigue at the end!
>>121548587
>"shoot laser win war"
basically what the original trilogy was m8
>tons of convoluted backstory
"an ancient alien warship that already beat the Eternal Fleet once" is convoluted? I was right, you're utterly retarded
>I win button
which is currently broken, in case you hadn't noticed
>>121548823
But they didn't. They kept it. They always keep it. The crew changed but the ship stayed the same. Storytelling has more aspects than just developing characters and their relations. Good stories have connections. Ageless objects like the Enterprise ring cohesion and a continuing narrative between two different crews. The Ebon Hawk can easily be made in the same way as a narrative superstructure that joins the adventures of three different crews as a continuous story. It gives the story more depth, symbolism and meaning to insert an object like that
>>121547287
Probably my only cute female character.
>>121548587
>Honestly if you don't believe that stories can have things like this
Stories can have things like that, but the Ebon Hawk isn't one of them. For someone who accuses others of not reading his posts you don't pay much attention. The Ebon Hawk can't be compared to shit like Excalibur because Excalibur was a special sword that came from a magic lady in a lake. Ebon Hawk is just an ordinary ship with nothing special to it. A better comparison would be if you tried to say that Arthur's round table is so unique and special that some character hundreds of years later that wanted a table just HAD to have the same fucking table and not another round table because the round table that Arthur had was so iconic. I mean, yeah, it kind of is, but it was just a fucking table. You could have another similar table fulfill the same role and lose nothing. You can't replace excalibur with "just some sword"
>>121549209
pretty qt man
>>121549128
>It gives the story more depth, symbolism and meaning to insert an object like that
That's not what depth is, that's just a forced reference.
>>121549105
Except it wasn't the rebels were hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned and it was a 20 minute space battle where all hope was almost lost before Luke made the fatal shot and escaped. Where's the drama in just blowing everything up in 5 seconds? Or do you just like watching big explosions and getting victories in cutscenes you have no control over?
>"an ancient alien warship that already beat the Eternal Fleet once"
Where does it come from? Why didn't anyone find it if they have amazing sensor technology? Convoluted means it makes more questions that it can't possibly answer my good autist.
>which is currently broken, in case you hadn't noticed
right because it won't get fixed. well i guess your tiny brain can be kept in suspense with the thought that it can't be fixed and I guess that's what really matters.
I want to eat vaylin's ass
>>121548765
Sister?
>>121549654
i don't, i just want to loosen up her stiff attitudewith my cock
>>121549392
Depth is exactly that. Depth is having backstory. Depth is making connections. What do you think depth is? Because it's very easy to call something a forced reference. I mean mandatory rebreathers on all mid-low level juggernaut armor? Damn those forced references.
>>121549654
>>121549845
Literally perfect.
>>121549789
>What do you think depth is?
Relevance to real life. A deep story is one that reveals some aspect of human nature or makes you look at the world in a different way. Nothing in Star Wars is deep. Forced references are shit.
>I mean mandatory rebreathers on all mid-low level juggernaut armor? Damn those forced references.
See, again, those references are more comparable to the Smuggler ship. Yeah, it's similar to the Ebon Hawk. That's a reference that doesn't go out of its way to force itself on you. Now, if the Juggernaut armor was literally a Darth Vader Mask? Yeah.
>>121549953
>>121549528
>hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned
that's the same position that the Alliance are in, they're trying to pull in every asset they can to get on the Eternal Empire's level
and we also have Marr saying that there's going to be a fuckload of death on the Alliance's part before the Fleet gets taken out of the picture
>where does it come from
the same question could be asked of the Ebon Hawk in the Zakuul swamp when the last place anyone saw it was on Dromund Kaas, basically on the other side of the galaxy
>why didn't anyone find it
because it had faded into legend, and because nobody was looking for it
>nuh you can't fix the ship even though my previous arc about the Ebon Hawk in KotFE involves fixing the ship
nice goalposts, do they move on their own
They should have have the Ebon Hawk in and at the end it gets converted into the Ebon Falcon and then it eventually becomes... YES! Poetry!
>>121550160
>tfw no yandere Vaylin gf
rage or vengeance
>>121550160
any ass shots
>>121550357
Vengeance
How is Rage in PvP? I like bursty big crits
>>121550357
Immortal
>>121549128
>The crew changed but the ship stayed the same.
>Ageless objects like the Enterprise ring cohesion and a continuing narrative between two different crews.
Enterprises from different series are different from one another, sometimes even in the same series I think. They cover many years, they have to keep that shit upgraded as technology advances, or replaced entirely when it gets destroyed, shit happens in space.
They get to keep the same name because I believe it's established the "Enterprise" will always be the name of the Alliance flagship.
I don't think you can compare that with the Ebon Hawk, I'd say the closest similar to the Enterprise would be the Normandy from ME.
>>121549725
Sister, this is a surprise.
>>121550363
I'll try to get some the next time I go through.
>>121547287
Sure, why not. Belt's likely only temporary, I haven't found a moddable one that I like yet.
>>121547910
I love me some blueAnd that hairstyle
How are sage/sorcs nowadays since 4.0? I'd like to get back into playing them, but I've hardly seen any that weren't healers since 4.0.
>>121550050
I mean if you're committed to believing Star Wars has no depth I don't think I can really convince you since that definition of depth is subjective and changes from person to person.
But there are plenty of people in the world that find depth in Star Wars in the way you define it, like the way Yoda gives his Luminous Beings speech or all those people who feel that turning Jedi into a real religion has made their lives better and given it direction.
If depth is a matter of making connections, then it could be a connection of revisiting an object from a decade ago that helped you interacted with constantly and depended on in a story you forged in a fantasy universe.
>>121550174
>nice goalposts, do they move on their own
are you really this stupid that you can't comprehend sarcasm ?
>that's the same position that the Alliance are in
yeah and they've got a super weapon that can turn the tides. did the rebels have their own death star to shoot the empire's death star?
>because it had faded into legend
a giant frigate which could have been detected by a regular droid sat on a planet with billions of inhabitants with advanced sensor technology for thousands of years without anyone finding out. gr8 story m8.
as for the ebon hawk it doesn't need a complex story. someone found it on DK, fixed it up, went exploring, got lost, it landed on Zakuul, crew got eaten by wildlife, PC finds it.
none of this "THE EBIN SUPERWEAPON" shit. none of that shit is compelling. fuck off koth.
>>121548384
i think shes cute, but avatarattentionwhorefags are awful.
just became a bounty hunter, you guys jealous?
>>121551452
We suck.
>>121551452
Outside of healing? Garbage.
>>121551452
Fun but bad.
>/SWGG/ IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL TECH/CUSTOMER SUPPORT FORUM. PLEASE CHECK GOOGLE AS YOUR QUESTION IS UNLIKELY TO BE ANSWERED HERE.
dickhead personality for a thread tbqh
>tried tanking
>tried healing
>neither are clicking
I guess I have to figure out which DPS to play. Or just make a sniper.
>>121547860
>>121548143
>>121548434
>>121548697
>brunette meghan trainor
>>121550767
They are different from each other. But they're all named the enterprise right? The bridge maintains the same shape more or less right? If you switched the crew of any enterprise on any version of the enterprise you would immediately know where everyone sits and what everyone does.
By calling it the enterprise you know what it is. It has meaning right? Think of a country, a country is defined by it's nation, the people who live in it. As generations come and go, their legacy is carried on by the country. Think of the enterprise like that or the Ebon Hawk. it's the history and connotations the name carries.
The people within the ships are like wine giving flavour to the cask that is the ship and vice versa. No one is saying the wine is more important than the cask, but they each have their own significance. They each contribute flavour.
>>121551452
They're fine for leveling but don't expect to do anything once you beat the story.
Would be cool if you could maybe customize the abilities your companions have. Like drag stuff in and out of the slots
>>121552038
too many people wandering in asking why BF3 beta doesn't work or why kotor wide screen patch fucks up their minimap.
keeps the thread clean so we can talk about ebin hawks and sloots
>>121552253
Don't forget we also discuss forbidden sith arts like the proper way to beat Quinn into being a fucxboi
>>121551503
>a giant frigate which could have been detected by a regular droid sat on a planet with billions of inhabitants with advanced sensor technology for thousands of years without anyone finding out. gr8 story m8.
If we're going this route, let's also comment about this fuckhuge empire the emperor was building in parallel for centuries in this """isolated""" area of the galaxy, apparently completely oblivious to the existence of another empire and even a republic, both spread through the rest of the whole galaxy, who were also oblivious of this new empire.
I think we are already performing shitloads of leaps of faith regarding the whole premise to also have a "HEY LOOK, THE EBON HAWK IS HERE TOO SOMEHOW FOR SOME ARBITRARY REASON!" cherry on top of them.
>>121552253
Not enough sloots in here desu
>>121552421
I'm telling you guys. Cargo hold with Bromark.
>empty shells
>gsf gear
>"lucarioboy"
If thing keep going like this, Sorcs are gonna be the new Marauders.
They already have a ton of shitters in their ranks from the edgy Noxfag fanbase.
>>121552681
>edgy Noxfag fanbase.
u jelly, Imperikuck?
>>121552531
Only if Pierce can whip the fag into shape.
>>121552485
I mean what can I say. There's a lot of things about the story that are just fucked up and thinking of ways of how they could have made it are few and far between especially since most people here would rather not imagine how it could have been improved or just complain endlessly or eat up whatever they're served.
anyone wanna quest or pvp with me?
>>121551503
>But there are plenty of people in the world that find depth in Star Wars in the way you define it, like the way Yoda gives his Luminous Beings speech or all those people who feel that turning Jedi into a real religion has made their lives better and given it direction.
There is no way to empirically or objectively prove whether a particular story is deep enough, but if you're going to defend people using Jedi as a real religion or learning life lessons from Yoda, I think we've clearly established where your standards are. This is the kind of person who wants the Ebon Hawk to show up in KOTFE
>>121551503
>super weapon that can turn the tides
only if they can get it fixed, and keep it firing long enough to make a significant dent in the THOUSANDS of Eternal Fleet battlecruisers
then there's the question of basically everyone not wanting to put the AI of questionable morals in control of the entire ship so all that time it's shooting it's not going to be operating efficiently
it's going to be on the same level of hail mary throw that "drop some proton torpedoes into the exhaust shaft" "turn off your targeting computer, use the force luke" was in ANH
>>121552990
>thinking of ways of how they could have made it are few and far between
because there's no fucking point in it since none of us are writers working for Bioware Austin
How much Mastery or Presence do each of the datacrons give? +3?
>>121552990
>especially since most people here would rather not imagine how it could have been improved
There are a lot of ways it could have been improved and the Ebon Hawk is not among them.
>still with this ebin hawk shit
4real m80s?
>>121552078
But you were talking about having the exact same ship, not quite the same.
Even if you have a new Ebon Hawk sharing its name, I don't think the name carries the heavy meaning you want it to have in the game universe, it only really matters to you/us because metaknowledge, if that makes any sense.
Somebody already said this in the thread I think, we're going in circles at this point.
Anser this: what's the difference between the Ebon Hawk and any swtor player character ship.
>>121553383
>Anser this: what's the difference between the Ebon Hawk and any swtor player character ship.
the Ebon Hawk is obsolete and likely falling apart wherever it is kek
>>121552813
>edgy noxfag fanbase
>*edgy*
I'm talking about the Noxfags who won't shut up about "how powerful" Nox is.
The faggots like you who get butthurt every time Sorcs get mentioned.
Nobody cares if you played DS or LS.
>>121553093
I'm not defending them, and to be honest I'm not so petty as to care what other people do, but those people find depth and meaning in Star Wars and they're happy with it then that's that. Again you're just pushing the argument to "this guy only wants the ebon hawk because he has a boner for it". I'll say it again like I've said countless times even though no one seems to read it and continue to just echo themselves
>I think that the only suitable replacement for the Gravestone (which is a dumb plot point to base the conclusion around) is the Ebon Hawk because it has an established back story and fits with the rest of the themes and plot of KotFE without having to drastrically rewrite everything but the inevitable conclusion of the Gravestone unsurprisingly blowing up the Zakuul fleet.
>>121553160
I mean not wanting discuss the story on a discussion would kind of defeat the purpose of being here. I mean make the red choice and put Scorpio in control and you kill the ships and your alliance fleets loses less. Don't put her in control, you lose less ships, more alliance ships die but you are moral good guy.
Do you see the problem? When you use such an hackneyed solution its easy to think of the plotlines and there's no suspense.
Either the ship fires or it doesn't and they have to think of a new solution. Either way you win in the end.
>literally 5 hours later
>still arguing about the exact same shit
>saying the exact same shit
my god, calm your autism down
please just stop replying to him
>>121554036
The stating of Nox implies DS rather heavily.
Please post cute mirialan or zabrak girls instead of this shit
>>121554209
I've completed SoR during the duration of this argument.
Trying out Operative healing, but I'm not sure how I feel about it. Maybe being level 25ish isn't a good gauge for it...
>>121553383
1. it has a name
2. it's been in previous games
3. it has had different crews
4. it has been to many different planets that the player shps did not go to.
5. it has had gizka infestations
6. it has data and history from 300 years ago.
>>121553235
give me some. and don't mention replacing Koth with Theron because that was my post I repost from time to time and what started this whole ebon hawk thing when I added the little line at the bottom today.
>play through RotHC
>two out of three NPCs are Steve Blum
>>121554084
>I'll say it again like I've said countless times even though no one seems to read it and continue to just echo themselves
People have told you multiple times that the Ebon Hawk doesn't fit any fucking themes. The theme of the Ebon Hawk is that it's just a fucking ship dude. And yet you refuse to read and keep echoing yourself.
>>121554336
Again.
There is a difference between EDGY Noxfags and Noxfags.
The ones who have to chime in about Nox being "da bes" during a powerlevel discussion, Inquisitor discussion, etc are the bad ones I'm talking about.
They don't all do that.
>>121554538
>give me some. and don't mention replacing Koth with Theron
replace the gravestone with some random ship that isn't the ebin hawk
done
don't feel like heroics, what should i do /swegg/
>level my lowbie focus guardian
>start and finish act 3 on my operative
>create a qt mirialan consular that i will play for 5 minutes and then get bored
>keep going in my trooper story and romance qt elara
>>121554794
Elara
>>121554428
That's tough, I'll look but no promises.
Have a best sith while I check.
>>121555028
oh man why is there semen all over her lightsaber? or is that her own juices? do you think she uses her lightsaber to get herself off and help release her passions and pent up anger?
>>121554538
7. It was scrapped 299 years ago on Kaas when nobody claimed it from the space impound lot after several months of abandonment
>>121554084
the whole of chapter 8 is built around you being able to show that the Eternal Empire isn't an invincible juggernaut of fuck you rest of the galaxy
if all you've got is some piddly little smuggler's freighter you're not going to accomplish shit
and if the Ebon Hawk was in KotFE then you'd probably still be bitching about whatever the Gravestone's firepower was replaced with
>>121555124
It's yogurt, quit being gross. Also probably.
>>121554581
I keep telling you how it's not just a ship. How having a ship connecting stories in space operas can make the story more cohesive and compelling. Showing examples from other media and Star Wars itself. Put forward an argument with evidence about how other stories do the same and why logically the Ebon Hawk is the only ship that could replace the Gravestone without having to drastically rewrite anything but the obvious ending.
Instead you still insist on skipping my point about finding a ship that could replace the Gravestone and keep the story intact. Even now your argument is still "it's just a ship". The argument seems to always change to either
"lol your stupid"
or
"a ship can't have any depth no matter how you put it".
The first is obviously inane, but the story has shown time and time again that objects from the past do have signficance on both the characters in the game and the world they live in. Things like Revan's mask, or the starforge, or rakata tech.
Right now it feels like all we do is argue about whether objects can convey story and meaning the way that characters who can speak do. And if you say that development and flavour only come from developed characters and it can't be brought from inanimate objects or concepts, then that's just wrong and there's plenty of media to support that.
>>121555540
>>121554581
WOULD YOU BOTH JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP
At this rate it'd be better if the ship was a fucking dreadnought powered by Ewoks in hamster wheels called the Mynock Fucker
>>121555137
>7. It was scrapped 299 years ago on Kaas when nobody claimed it from the space impound lot after several months of abandonment
<citation needed>
No because the whole point replacing the Gravestone is to get rid of this whole super weapon bullshit. And Chapter 8 is about that Scion guy inviting Arcann to Asylum and telling you some vague stuff about how his scions will contact you about fate just before he dies.
It'd be a better reference if all of my companions got an x-wing and I shot the throne in it while being chased by Arcann in a TIE
>went to call somebody a dog
>misspelled it and called him a god
>>121555540
there's literally nothing that connects the Ebon Hawk to anything in SWTOR
not even Revan asking about where his old ship was when you rescue him
not even the Smuggler bragging about how one day his freighter's going to be as well-known as the Hawk
not even a wreckage on some planet that isn't Kaas to show that someone actually gave enough of a shit about it to use it after it was abandoned
>>121555835
>get rid of the superweapon
so then you have fucking nothing to take on the superfleet
good to know
in your universe where they have a piddly little freighter instead of an ancient alien warship, everyone died in chapter 8 and the story is over, gg, thanks for your money rubes now fuck off
>>121555540
>Showing examples from other media and Star Wars itself. Put forward an argument with evidence about how other stories do the same
None of your examples from other stories were the same situation. You keeep picking other stories that have special unique items that could not be replaced and trying to use them as a comparison. Your King Arthur example got torn apart pretty hard and you never responded to that. No, the Enterprise and the Normandy are not the same as the Ebon Hawk because they were made to be special important ships and the Ebon Hawk was just a random ship someone grabbed out of convenience.
>my point about finding a ship that could replace the Gravestone and keep the story intact
The story doesn't need a special ship to keep it intact. You manage to keep skipping that point at every turn.
>Ebon Hawk is the only ship that could replace the Gravestone without having to drastically rewrite anything but the obvious ending.
If you replace the gravestone with the Ebon Hawk you have to rewrite everything that references the ship having super powerful lasers that can tear wholes in the Eternal fleet. If you replace the Gravestone with [insert any random ship here] you have to rewrite anything that references the ship having super powerful lasers that can tear wholes in the Eternal fleet.
>"a ship can't have any depth no matter how you put it".
I never said a ship can't have depth. I said the Ebon Hawk doesn't have depth. You keep accusing me of not reading your posts, well I've said this exact same thing multiple times and yet it hasn't sunk in.
>Things like Revan's mask,
A unique and iconic symbol of his voctory over Mandalore. Unlike the Ebon Hawk, which is just a generic ship that doesn't symbolize anything.
>or the starforge, or rakata tech.
Incredibly advanced tech that does things nothing else in the story can do. Quite unlike the Ebon Hawk which is just another smuggler ship.
>>121554719
Alright then lets agree with this
1. Theron should have replaced Koth
2. Gravestone should not have had some super weapon BS, and if it did, it should have been kept secret until later in the story to build suspense.also that ships can have character
but it's good that we had this debate. John Stewart Mills said that we only remember the reasons why we are correct through dialogue with those who hold different opinions. And Also m00t said that communities are made better with criticism that also presents a solution and just criticism itself.
good night.
>>121556378
>>121556468
A pox upon both your houses!
>everybody missing the obvious solution of traveling through time to get the millennium falcon
>>121556669
>traveling through time
>not just snagging the Death Star and kekking all day as the Eternal Empire's ships are too big to fly down the trench that leads to the vent
>tfw read that whole conversation
Thank you for entertaining while I finished SoR on my BH
can we get back to lewdposting now?
>>121554538
I don't think those reasons are really enough to bring it back.
Most if not all of them are of "value" for us, the players, for the characters in the game the role of the ship in both cases is mostly the same, no matter how attached you/we all grew with the Ebon Hawk for whatever reason.
Let me drop another Star Trek analogy, not exactly applicable 100% but close.
In the last JJ movie the main villain was Khan, a fan's favorite of sort.
When it came to the time of the bad guy's name reveal, the movie tried to make some big deal out of it, but it ended up ridiculous because even though many people in the audience knew the name kinda carries some weight and "history", Kirk and the other guywas it admiral Pike?were all like "oh okay cool, nice to meet you Mr. Khan, I guess", not to speak a big slice of the audience who won't know shit either.
That's how bringing back the Ebon Hawk will feel like, no matter if it's the exact same old one or a new one bearing the same name. Granted, it would be really stupid having the exact same as some others commented.
>>121556917
I guess
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>>121556917
am I cute anon?
>>121556764
>thousands of cruisers against one space station
they don't need the vent, they can just batter it until the shield generators fail
>>121556917
good idea
>>121556119
again did the rebels kill the deathstar with their own deathstar?
did revan destroy the starforge with his own starforge?
there are solutions that can build suspense without being so narrow as giving a superweapon in the first 3 chapters.
>>121556378
>None of your examples from other storie...
because you guys keep looking for significance in utility while I'm pushing for signficance in legacy which is thematically present everywhere in swtor. From the Shan's being descendants of Revan, to the Inq and his ghost dad, to Vitiate and Revan's rivalry, to the HK series of droids. It's all legacy, it's all names, the serve to create connections and bonds between stories that can be further developed better and create a very large complex narrative bridging stories from the past and present making them more compelling and interesting.
>The story doesn't need a special ship to keep it intact
It does though, the gravestone's replacement needs to be fill the thematic void of fate/destiny/history. The Ebon Hawk does that.
>I said the Ebon Hawk doesn't have depth
It does have depth. We can argue this till the cows come home.
>Unlike the Ebon Hawk, which is just a generic ship that doesn't symbolize anything.
It was Revan's ship he used to stay one step ahead of Malak and foil him and free the galaxy from Malak's rule. It's part of his legend as much as his mask.
>>121557247
>they don't need the vent
pretty sure the whole point of the Death Star was that it was invincible except for the vent. Plus its gun can destroy a whole planet. If they swept that laser across an enemy fleet it could probably take the majority of them out in one go.
>>121557327
and yet the Mask pops up in SWTOR and the Hawk doesn't
Bioware pretty damn clear of where things lie
>>121556917
Kinda wishing I went Mando on my Trooper instead of Vanguard. These animations are starting to get to me. Everything just feels wrong coming off a PT, and I've never used a cannon before, I feel like it would be fun. Oh well, too late to change now though.
Can anyone rec me some nice looking trooper buttcape chestpieces?
>can't decide which DPS to play
Fuuuuuuuuuck
>>121557662
What do you want? PvP or PvE? Melee or ranged? Stealth or non-stealth?
>>121557550
try the new frontline chestpiece from the latest pack. it's pretty dope the textures are higher res than the older version.
>>121557696
PvE mostly. And I wanted to do melee, but I imagine ranged > melee still.
>>121557706
Is that the one in the webm? Shit, that looks pretty good. Is that whole set frontline?
Nice beret man.
>>121557803
I have a solution for you
>>121557803
Just go gunslinger/sniper. They've got good aoe for solo content and good single target for group content. Commando and Merc are a bit more interesting if you think cover is a boring mechanic. They can also offheal a bit.
