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>>121383378
>>121383378
>>121383378
feathers
shit op
http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/51631
buy thing
>>121533143
Let's see yours then, tough guy.
Sometimes I wish my friends would play with me. I'm a cool spy.
>>121533216
matchmaking soon edition
>>121533487
is that the choke on gullywash?
>>121533401
125x125
>>121533664
yes
there's meant to be a medium pack now that i think about it
>>121533487
Like that health bottle would save him with a soldier, demo, AND scout on his ass
>>121533757
I think the bottle reads better, otherwise you'd just have a rectangle
the twitch is full of memers and cancer don't watch
>>121534062
that's all twitch
http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/234042
>>121534103
you're a faggot
rate my unbox?
http://www.teamfortress.com/screamfortress7/
>>121534448
it's not dancing skeletons/10
>>121534448
sell/10
pls by
http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/374270
>>121534448
The scout melee animation doesn't make any sense
i can't believe this just happened baka
I didn't capture their point. Oh man.
>>121532912
Just got a strange el duderino from a crate after not playing for months, I also got that new engie boater hat in strange.
engieknight is OP
>>121534448
>september
Buying professional fabricators for a wide variety of weapons. If you've got one drop me a line, but please; no mean green and no completed kits.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/114321
>>121535862
>6 days ago
>>121537243
what teh fuck hiro..
>>121537243
wtf why did it put an ass in my post
how do i find the post that has the thumbnail of my actual post
>>121536040
you forgot fucking all of october you pleb
>>121537243
I feel supremely cheated right now
Don't really care much for the game anymore. Stopped trading years ago and I play it once a month, if that. lol keys are now worth 16 ref, that's ridiculous. Are hats still 1.3 ref? Or is it all a rich mans game now or something?
Anyway, where can I sell bp for paypal cash?
>>121537791
i'd buy some keys for paypal
>>121537791
Garbage hats are still 1 ref each. Also, try behind the alley at your local walmart.
>>121537791
I'd post a link to my bp but the fucking system thinks its spam
probably cause all the numgers in the url
>>121537847
only have one key
>>121538262
the safest way is:
trade as much as you can for keys/ref
sell keys/ref
much, much easier to sell keys than a backpack of mixed junk
>>121538464
ugh, that's gonna take a while
I might just keep all the trash if that's the case. The prices on backpack.tf are all reputable, right.
>>121538006
just remove the dot out of the link
>>121538719
nope, has too many numbers. Wonder if just posting the numbers works:
76561198043728918
>>121539090
hey it worked.
profiles/numbers if youre curious
>>121539090
backpack tf/profiles/76561198043728918
you don't have a lot of worth man, you'd get like 40 bucks at the most
demoknights piss me off so much
they're just extremely difficult and unfun to play against
Just shoot them, faggot.
>>121539554
40 sounds fair
it says 73 but I dont expect to get 73. If I gotta sell and all of that jazz then I'll just keep the damn thing.
stock demomen have an unfair disadvantage against demoknights ironically enough
Use your melee.
good idea
melee fight against the guy who gets free melee crits and a longer range just because
Why aren't you using the axe?
i always liked the bottle more
also youre still leaving it up to random crits and source's shitty melee hitreg in the end
Axe is best. It has the fucked melee range AND random crits. It's a win win.
Well you could always try relying on your pills or stickies, but I find melee works the best because they don't expect it.
>>121540147
the long range melee weapons don't crit, other than that axe nobody uses and the soldier's whip.
Stock, Pain Train and katana all random crit as demo though.
we were talking about demoknights
i love to wear the targe
I thought we were talking about demo vs demoknight.
skullcutter has random crits too
demoman is dumb
post demomen
>>121537243
>>121537353
>>121537416
>>121537462
i just spent over half an hour looking through every thread on /vg/ to find the post that glitched out with mine
>>121537245
>>121537245
>>121537245
tide turner and the claid are the best combo because eyelander is really dumb
>>121542224
http://backpack tf/classifieds/?steamid=76561197978508626
>>121542364
i agree i like those two
>>121542642
pls raffu the flamethrower since no one is going to buy it EVER
>>121542224
>>121542956
why the pants
>>121542224
too lazy to update
you get the gist
remove all demoknight shit but the booties
it took valve plenty of years to add actual demolition shit for demo
feathers a shit
>>121542224
>>121542224
;)
>>121542224
is this a demoman
Remove:
- All shields
- All swords
Suddenly pubs are 20% more enjoyable.
Remove:
-Pyro
Suddenly pubs are 40% more enjoyable
Quarantine pubstompers and engies and pubs would be perfect.
Remove:
- Engineer
Suddenly pubs are 100% more enjoyable
Fix:
- Backstabs.
Suddenly pubs are 10% more enjoyable.
>Being backstabbed in pubs
Reminder that spy is countered simply by turning around
>>121543632
if you get better you can quarantine pubstompers
Fix:
- Hitreg.
Suddenly pubs are 150% more enjoyable.
Add: Class limets
Suddenly pubs are enjoyable without ruing the fun of other playstyles
>>121544026
yeah but i want to listen to music while i pub, i don't feel like worrying about that
>>121544026
*clicks on your shoulder*
>>121544120
limits*****
my b senpai
If you get backstabbed because you don't want to pay attention, then who are you to complain?
who are you
>>121544259
>turns around
>crit
I turn my back to the heavy, soldier and demo that are all attacking me from the front so I can look out for a spy
that's a nice song by the popular band, the who
I'm me.
Make it viable
where do you find the stv demo from tragic servers ?
>>121544606
i don't know
nuff said
>Shield Charges no longer crit boost melee weapons
Fixed?
>>121544601
>doesn't suffer from damage dropoff
>increased damage from charging
>can destroy enemy stickies
it's made for offensive demos
>>121544832
do you hate this weapon
>No axe
>>121544916
Just remove the resistances.
>>121544960
no but it isnt good either
odd: clean then tf2
even: clean then rebuild rs
>>121542224
>>
>>121544706
:(
thanks anyway
>>121544968
Targe is great against pyros though
>>121544990
but then why was it banned in many competitive leagues this season
>>121545009
effect doesnt mix
australium :/
>>121544990
actually it fucking owns
>>121544916
Shields are in this dumb position where they're not worth swapping stickies for but are dumbly good in pubs
Only slightly viable shield is tide turner, and that's a gimmick of its own that gets called out after the initial suprise factor
But because pubs have little to no coordination, Shields are all OP as fuck as it requires focusing to take them down.
>>121545507
DOC COME ON MAN
Post for judgement.
>>121544832
>post-GM Caber
>acceptable
k
>>121545735
oh my god that stupid fucking circle dance people do pisses me the fuck off
Any suggestions for a third cosmetic?
>gold rush last point
>5 sentries
wow red team you're so good at this game
>>121545735
i'm not you average female soldier main
>>121546031
It's themed ok, but that hat is honestly pretty shit.
>>121545957
It's plain, but that also means it's not an eyesore. Pretty good.
>>121545898
It's ok, but the garb looks a little out of place.
>>121546405
I'd leave it as it is, but if you insist on using all the slots, I'd recommend a scarf or shoes.
>>121546485
Badges look good on soldier especially.Otherwise you really only got one noticeable cosmetic on, and it's a quality one.
>>121546686
I like the stealthy scarf, but it clips pretty horribly with concierge. Merc's Muffler just doesn't look right on spy. I guess I can try for shoes.
>>121545735
another day another r8
>>121546814
Did you try the Mech's Pride scarf?
>>121546958
I don't like that one.
>>121546952
It's still good.
>>121544968
>Just remove the resistances.
as a pyro this is so annoying
the no after burn affect shuts down an entire class against the demo
the only way the pyro can kill the demo is close quarters at that point and if its a demo knight then the demo knight can simply win by charging at me since im in close range or he could just 1 shot pill me since I have to be right up in his face
its not like jarate or milk where its a 1 time recharge but its passive bonus
>>121547189
>as a pyro
Dropped
>>121547189
>as a pyro
>>121542754
why not
it has a strange part and a spell attached to it
>>121547189
>as a pyro
I tip my defora to you, good gentlexir
>>121547189
*t-t-t-tips*
>>121547189
>as a pyro
Didn't read the rest.
>>121547189
>as a pyro
You. I daisuke you.
>>121546485
nobody asked your gender shit head
https://tf2center.com/lobbies/557348
what u need
>>121547189
>as a pyro
>Annoying
>>121547189
Shotgun, retard. You have a shotgun.
>>121547632
>daisuke
spelled it wrong, guy
WHOOO EESS N-NOT READDYYYY
>>121547350
BECAUSE
pyros shouldn't be able to airblast players at all
>>121547825
yeah shotgun works great on a demo with 200+ health fucking idiot and they can't just use their unlimited charges to run out of range of it
>>121548285
are you being retarded on purpose
>>121548285
Airblast stops their momentum and lines them up for ez shots. If you can't deal with a demoknight as a pyro, then I feel sorry for you.
>>121547189
>as a pyro
How to fix Demoknight:
You get two charges at the start of your life
Melee and shield kills while charging give you one charge
Using a charge without killing anyone will deplete a charge
You can get your charges back by resupplying
why is the scout first jump so glitched when you jump?
swear to god i cant double jump somteimes
>>121548848
You're probably trying to jump as you fall off a ledge, so it uses your double jump instead.
>>121547825
too bad flare gun crits are way more useful in almost every situation except a targe demo
http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/183549
buy these^^^^^ items bro
>load into MvM
>see this
>leave
>playing clutch game
>minute left on the clock
>last player alive
>ping suddenly jumps to 1000, and can barely move for a few seconds
>a single spy caps the last point
>ping suddenly goes back to normal after losing
this is fucking bullshit
>>121549045
Are you mentally challenged
>>121549036
dude.. I literally feel the fucking jump on surface when i press space... how much youwanna bet is due to some lag comp crap bullshit
>>121547189
can someone explain why everyone hates pyro?
its one of the weakest classes that is only good when he flanks you or if your a spy, why does it make everyone butt mad?
>>121549286
you got ddos'd
>>121549286
>lots of particles
>game lags
>second game is back to normal all I see is a death
>>121549305
Quickswitch flarespamming pyros are even less fun to play against than demoknights.
>>121547189
>as a pyro this is so annoying
>>121549305
Fire damage is annoying because it's both a Dot and fucks up your aim
Airblast is annoying
flare guns are Annoying
Everything about the class is annoying
>>121549305
pyros and spies are like flies, they're easy to kill but they're still incredibly fucking annoying
>>121549305
>click on enemy once -> on fire for several seconds
>airblasts
>free crits
>free minicrits
I missed a fully charged headshot on pumpkin head heavy because I shot too high on the pumpkin
>>121549305
>pyro is the only class in the entire game that can single handed kill all 9 classes in one to two shots with LITERALLY ZERO effort or skill
>Every weapon has random crits
>Every Weapon with the exception to stock, give free crits and mini crits with again, zero effort or skill.
>There are even weapons that grant full crits and Full heath or overheal with out a medic/buff with AGAIN 0 (ZERO) SKILL OR EFFORT
its a gimmick class for fags that cant get good at any class, so every weapon is a crutch, every feature is easy as shit and its a casual class thats only good for dressup
>>121549562
>>121549598
>>121549617
stop being bad at the game
pyro are only good at close quarters and if you let 1 flank its your teams fault for letting him through
other than that a pyro is easy to kill before he even get near you, the only defense he has is to perfectly time a deflection which never works on pubs.as a demoI've never had any problems with pyros
i know this is probably a longshot, but does anyone know of a jacket irl that looks atleast somewhat like the scouts flapjack?
>>121549935
No one said pyro was good, they're saying that it's annoying to play against. There's a difference.
>>121549935
Can you not read? We're saying it's fucking annoying to play against someone who can hit you once and drain your health. It's infuriating to come off worse in a fight with a different class just because you were set on fire moments ago.
>>121549045
>i can't counter every single enemy in the game
let's nerf the scout because he counters demoman
>>121549302
no one else is having this problem so it's most likely on your end
>>121549305
the class is really badly designed
no range, no damage, no mobility
is the only class that cannot perform well without the use of unlocks
airblast is terribly broken and is only acceptable because pyro is such a shit class
to top it off pyro is "cute" and tends to attract girl gamers, furries, weebs, traps, and other degenerates that no one likes dealing with
no one with half a brain believes the class is overpowered but it's extremely bad game design
you could remove pyro from tf2 without any negative consequence
>>121547189
>pyro
>>121549935
>stop being bad at the game
stopped reading there :-)
>>121550067
>is the only class that cannot perform well without the use of unlocks
WHY DOES EVERY PYRO MAIN FUCKING FUCKING RETARDED FUCK FORGOT ABOUT
THE
FUCKING
SHOT
GUN
JESUS CHRIST
THE STOCK IS FINE IT LITERALLY DOES EVERYTHING ANYTHING ELSE DOES
HOMEWRECKER IS ONLY ACCEPTABLE UNLOCK
PYRO IS A CUKC CLASS
>>121550261
Shotty is a really good weapon
But hey, guess what, Reserve shooter exists
>>121550261
this kid is pissed
I love my stock shotty.
>>121550261
forfeiting the range and damage that the flare gun provides is not worth scoring hipster points
it also has a passive reload
the damage deduction on the degreaser is negligible and there's literally no reason to choose stock over it because it allows you to set an enemy on fire, airblast them, and quickly continue dealing damage
the shotgun is a great weapon but you're dumb if you think that it's better in every situation
>as a pyro
>>121550067
>you could remove pyro from tf2 without any negative consequence
uhh spies?
>>121550425
more like reserve shitter am i right
only pyro would have weapons based on punishing jumping on a fast paced fps
>>121550639
Fuck off faggot
anything that gives FREE CRITS with no Kritz med or Buff banner is BULLSHIT and is a CRUTCH
Fuck OFF
>>121550872
you mean dead ringer spies
pyro isnt even essential against regular spies lmfao
>>121550872
maybe in pubs, but anywhere with coordination would not notice a difference
just be aware, same as always
it's not like scout and soldier can't spycheck effectively and it's not like spy is a good class to begin with
>>121550979
yes we have already established that pyro is badly designed
the argument was that shotgun is better than the flare gun and i am saying that that is not the case
>>121547189
>as a pyro this is so annoying
why do they do this
>>121547189
>as a pyro
>>121550872
as an engineer main I can safely say thatI have no problem with spies when there are no pyros
>>121551173
It's another le epic meem for a shit-tier main.
https://tf2center.com/lobbies/557372
>>121551413
>medic mains
>pyro mains get meme'd
why
>>121551620
who is that
>>121551413
>>121551689
disregard these
>>121551709
fsidu
>>121551683
>maining pyro
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>Make pyro less annoying terrible and half assed without removing it
-Afterburn tick damage and time halfed when crouching
-Base movement speed increased 3% so you can flank as a flank class
-Airblast applies basic push force instead of always an upward one.
-Airblasted gamers can air strafe easier out of airblast
-Non-Ubered players take 50% of the airblast force if still in the air from the previous airblast so they can escape juggles
-Friendly pyros get a little pop up like medics do on patients to alert them that they are on fire and need to be put out
-Can now equip pain train
-Degreaser Now has 50% decreased afterburn time and Damage penalty bumped up to 20%
-Flame particles actually follow hitboxes so you are aware of the range instead of a general cone so less of the across the map and I'm on fire BS
-Scorch shot afterburn time scales with distance, More up close, very little from far away
-Detonator gives much increased blast height and self damage decreased to pre gun mettle
-Phlog now takes 500 damage to fill mmph bar from 220 and only takes 50% of the fire damage from secondaries for the bar. Resistances now properly apply so no free mmph from dead ringer spies or shield demos.
-Backburner has radius increased from 90 degrees to 120 degrees for crit zone
-Putting out a teammate restore 10 ammo
-Reserve shitter split so it can be balanced for each class instead of being mediocre for one and OP for another
-Insert sensible reserve shooter balance here that you agree with
-Back scratcher healing debuff doesn't apply to overheal so you can at least buff them
r8, ready for h8, deb8
>>121551689
>demo
>elder god tier
he takes just as much skill as pyro if not less
>>121552340
>he takes just as much skill as pyro if not less
you have never played competitive tf2, have you
>>121552337
This is the worst fucking shit I've read in weeks.
>>121552492
you sure are a fast reader!!
You know what I'd change? I'd make afterburn work like the Sydney Sleeper, so afterburn's duration depends on how long you pressed m1 on the enemy.
>>121552561
Yeah, have been ever since I was a kid, thanks.
>>121552337
>breaking pyro further and making him more OP in other areas than the current
>>121552337
shit ideas
kill yourself
>>121552337
>how 2 fix pyro
>>>> air blast doesnt push people at all
>>> >>>> airblast doesnt refeclt into minicrits
>>121544606
it was na.servme.tf if anyone else wanted it or something idk
>>121552467>demo-man takes skill
>>121552691
please explain where
i would like to hear a counter argument to these half baked ideas instead of just calling them bad
>>121552890
>giving pyro the pain train
>making pyro move faster
>giving ammo on airblast
>buffing back shitter in any way
go back to reddit your class isnt wanted around these parts
get a strange Night Terror Scattergun or wait for the next campaign?
>>121553105
>Originally meant to have pain train
>3% is tiny
>Encouraging pyros to put people out
>Encouraging a roaming class to use roamer items more
baka senpai I wanted some DISCUSSION :'((((((
>>121552890
>Afterburn tick damage and time halfed when crouching
encourages people to sit still and crouch in the 'jump and move fast' game
>Base movement speed increased 3% so you can flank as a flank class
still gives people plenty of time to escape to their teammates and only the W+M1 playstyle
>Friendly pyros get a little pop up like medics do on patients to alert them that they are on fire and need to be put out
let's add more bloat to tf2
>Can now equip pain train
make it all-class
>Flame particles actually follow hitboxes so you are aware of the range instead of a general cone so less of the across the map and I'm on fire BS
if valve were capable of doing this i think it would've happened at launch
>Scorch shot afterburn time scales with distance, More up close, very little from far away
literally the opposite of what the weapon should do
>Phlog now takes 500 damage to fill mmph bar from 220 and only takes 50% of the fire damage from secondaries for the bar. Resistances now properly apply so no free mmph from dead ringer spies or shield demos.
phlog is literally fine
>Backburner has radius increased from 90 degrees to 120 degrees for crit zone
>critting people from the front
>>121553369
If you can wait it will be both cheaper and there might be better options. Isn't the text campaign supposed to happen before the end of the year?
>>121553526
Stock
t
o
c
k
is all you need
+ homewrecker
literally
all you need
you fucking cancer pyro fucks that just care about getting meme dmg numbers and points are fucking stupid
am I the only one who still uses the axtinguisher?
>>121552337
>Afterburn tick damage and time halved when crouching
No.
>Base movement speed increased 3% so you can flank as a flank class
No.
>Airblast applies basic push force instead of always an upward one
Yes.
>Airblasted gamers can air strafe easier out of airblast
Yes.
>Non-Ubered players take 50% of the airblast force if still in the air from the previous airblast so they can escape juggles
No, denying ubers is really the pyro's only redeeming quality in comp.
>Friendly pyros get a little pop up like medics do on patients to alert them that they are on fire and need to be put out
Yes.
>Can now equip pain train
Was originally meant for pyro anyways, but don't think it needs more melees
>Degreaser Now has 50% decreased afterburn time and Damage penalty bumped up to 20%
All that needs to be changed is the damage penalty to -30% so it rounds up to 5 damage/particle instead of 7 damage/particle
>Flame particles actually follow hitboxes so you are aware of the range instead of a general cone so less of the across the map and I'm on fire BS
No.
>Scorch shot afterburn time scales with distance, More up close, very little from far away
No.
>>121553526
If they originally meant for it to have pain train, and didn't, don't you think there was a reason? Hitscan is already a big weakness for pyros.
>>121553861
Cont.
>Detonator gives much increased blast height and self damage decreased to pre gun mettle
No.
>Phlog now takes 500 damage to fill mmph bar from 220 and only takes 50% of the fire damage from secondaries for the bar. Resistances now properly apply so no free mmph from dead ringer spies or shield demos.
No.
>Backburner has radius increased from 90 degrees to 120 degrees for crit zone
No, buff it in some other area.
>Putting out a teammate restore 10 ammo
Yes.
>Reserve shitter split so it can be balanced for each class instead of being mediocre for one and OP for another
Just fucking remove it from pyro, fuck this weapon in the ass. Make it synergize better with the Liberty Launcher, give it more pushback force or something to launch people in the air better.
>Back scratcher healing debuff doesn't apply to overheal so you can at least buff them
No.
>>121553861
>Non-Ubered players take 50% of the airblast force if still in the air from the previous airblast so they can escape juggles
>Non-Ubered
as in ubered players still take the same push force as they do now
normal players can't be juggled as easily
>>121553861
>>121553994
thank you for the opinions how do i subscribe to your blog for more
>>121554150
>stop talking about tf2 in the tf2 thread
shut up retard
>>121552340
how do people still believe this in 2015
>>121553676
can you not do this
refer to the chart in >>121550639
just because you can outdamage retards in a pub does not make stock pyro viable whatsoever
>select all candy
fruit is not candy
ever notice how we dont argue about any of the other 8 classes? thats because they are not broken
i would rather take on 9 beggars or 9 mini engies than ONE pyro
>>121554213
that is NOT what i said
>>121554258
yeah same
no other class can shit up the game by doing so little
>>121554231
pyro has 3 jobs
Check for spies
Protect med and engie/homewreck sappers
Air blast uber charge/projectiles away from team
thats it, pyro isnt scout, pyro isnt demo, pyro isnt heavy or engie, pyro isnt sniper, pyro isnt solly
you are not a damage class you are support. a Cukc if you will. That is all anything else is pure autistm
>people who complain about the class makeup of their team in pubs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnLadhn9468
om g new video lokk at this video omg
can someone ask the guys at steam to collapse the collection lists
im trying to check people's item showcases and all i get is a long ass list
sometimes i can't even see the fucking weapon icon
>>121554085
Oh, my bad.
Still a bad idea though, just because you're already technically nerfing it by changing it to basic push force.
New sniper rifle
>+133% charge speed
>Mini-crits while fully charged
>-10% damage on bodyshot
>-Points a laser in the direction you're aiming while charging
>-can only charge shots while your crosshair is on an enemy
Fires like the classic (press M1 to charge, release M1 to shoot)
Laser changes opacity to show charge (100% charged = Fully visible)
Just got back into the game, which case is the most value to open? From what I hear the Gargoyle is alright
>>121553994
>>Detonator gives much increased blast height and self damage decreased to pre gun mettle
>No.
Why not?
If anything, pyro needs more mobility.
>>121554543
>If anything, pyro needs more mobility.
powerjack
>>121554439
you can do all of that with the degreaser, but better
>>121554497
couldn't you could just hide the laser on a wall/nearby prop?
>>121554614
More than what he already has, dipshit.
>>121554668
degreaser is a crutch
>>121554702
degreaser is the only reason pyro is viable
>>121554702
When it comes to comparing flamethrowers, Degreaser is like Jag: There's just no reason not to use it until they nerf it.
>>121554825
see >>121554702
its all sugar pill
degreaser gives nothing extra that stock cant do
>but muh .0000000001 weapon change speed
>>121554884
>using the jag
>not using the Southern
Its literally the least shitter wrench in tf2
>no random crits
no bullshit
>can make cunts bleed for a lil bit
Nice
>Only the first shot in the Reserve Shooter's clip mini-crits airborne enemies
there we go
Would it be better if, on the class selection screen, demo was changed to offensive, sniper was changed to defensive and pyro was changed to support?
Pyro is a supportkek, delegated to lowly spychecking, reflecting and extinguishing. We all pretty much get this by now.
Obviously demo is both an offensive and defensive class but he's mostly used to deal damage, so offense might suit him better.
Sniper is more defensive rather than support imo. The mere presence of a sniper can shut down an entire area for a team, especially in competitive. Also him being a defensive class instead of support will hopefully see him used less on attack.
only team colors should exist
only team colors should exist
only team colors should exist
only team colors should exist
>>121555092
>-Reserve shooter removed from the pyro, now only a soldier weapon
there we go
>>121555092
literally changes nothing considering you can still swap back and forth in rapid succession with the degreaser.
>>121554702
>>121554928
you are not using the term crutch correctly
the black box is a crutch but it is still allowed in competitive and most skilled soldiers do not use it
you are arguing that the pyro only needs stock + homewrecker, but degreaser is better than stock 100% of the time because the damage reduction is not enough to seriously consider using stock
go play pyro in highlander and use the stock flamthrower if it's so much better than the degreaser
powerjack > homewrecker btw, if the engie can't remove the sapper himself chances are that the nest is going down
