http://pastebin.com/Fgmn5BD8
xth for jazz arrangement merk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCHTX_pgw6A
What's the best joystick. I'm trying to put up an extra stick and I'm not sure between the Sanwa JLF-TP or the Seimitsu LS-32
if I buy sleep fighter V on pc and ps4 can I link my accounts so I don't have to unlock shit twice?
How do I set a controller to player two on the cracked beta
stick/controller lag tests!
>>121413538
nobody tell him, make him work it out on his own or he'll keep asking for help for the rest of his life.
you know why you did what you did.
confess.
>>121413582
Can this go in the OP next time desu?
How's the netcode in +R on steam?
Thinking about gifting my friend a copy so we can play.
>>121413582
What stick is the bottom right image from?
>tfw toss-up between the character you have more fun playing and the one that you win way more with
>>121413282
queen of fightan exite!!
>>121413489
>MFW im stealing your song right nao with a mp3 downloader
>>121413820
>not practicing enough so they're both the same character
>>121413489
this will always remind me of destiny
>>121413582
Why is there a titty monster in that pic?
>>121413820
>tfw character you have the most fun with is the one you win the most with
>>121413961
This picture is so fucking gross.
Get into something more real mate.
Put K fucking Whip in kof14
>>121414353
someone needs to feed her a kusoge sandwich
https://discord.gg/0WEoKONYXBifuu6T
please use this if you see fit
also join the irc on rizon
irc.rizon.net
#/fgg/
rin main reporting in
>>121414526
why the fuck do we need both, i'm not joining two things
>>121414598
I could start a google hangout too
>people think SFV is going to be any better
You idiots are going to be here in 6 years still containing about all the shit that SFV has and desperately waiting for SFVI.
skullomania is never coming back so can we at least get rashid a costume with a mask and a scarf
>>121413684
Ken is -6 after heatrush.
>>121414786
>tfw played more sf5 beta this year than usf4
shit fighter sucks lmaoooo
>>121414786
most people who like SFV have already played it
>>121414574
screw this, we should make this one instead desu
How do i get better at buffering normals into super? I have no issue with it unless its the super overlaps a special but I just want to be able to do it mid combo.Why is the input window so lenient in SFIV
>>121414978
>beyonce shitposts on fgg
She's narcissistic enough to post herself in every given thread.
![ec71809f6b3678bfee1332591377529d[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/a15avGN.jpg "ec71809f6b3678bfee1332591377529d[1].jpg")
so i've started playing MvC2 recently and i wanted to play cable, doom, and war machine. is this a good/decent team? i'm asking because i know nothing about that game (or other titles in the mvc series for that matter).
i chose them because they're my favorite marvel characters in that game. still figuring out what order i want them in and the assists as well.
>>121415543
>Cable and Doom
Yes it's a good team
>>121415437
the fuck are you talking about? you just do the normal and then the super. look at your inputs to see where you're messing up.
>>121415524
just hating me bc im beautiful tbmfh
how do I learn to hit confirm
>>121413726
thanks senpai guess I'll just buy it blind and find out
>>121415543
pick any 2 of the following:
magneto
storm
cable
doom
sentinel
psylocke
you now have a good mvc2 team
>>121414793
>Mask
>and
>Scarf
>Muslim character
>>121415543
Cable is Top 5, Doom is Upper-Mid or High I think with one of the best assists in the game in his rocks, and War Machine is also pretty good (although I think Iron Man is supposed to be slightly better). You should be fine.
Speaking of getting into older games for the first time, I've been playing a bit of CvS2 recently at my college and I like Terry, Dhalsim, Yun (which is weird since I don't like him in 3S or IV) and especially Haohmaru. I also want to play Raiden and Yamazaki, but they seem more difficult to work with. Any optimal team orders/guides for those six characters?
>>121416208
>>121415878
thanks, i just wanted to know if my team was somewhat viable but i guess it's probably high/mid-high tier from what you guys said.
>>121413582
tits
>>121415543
Not sure if there is any real reason to play War Machine over Ironman.
>>121415437
>>121416034
Guess i should have been more specific, My mistake. I mean in games like ST or SFA3 where you can't special into super.
>>121414574
>>121415420
>idolshit
literally worse than boatshit
>>121414574
noice
>>121414475
>KoF is kusoge
I'll feed you a shit sandwich laced with arsenic you dumb fucking shithead
>>121416536
because jim rhodes is a real nigga and tony stark is an alcoholic. fuck iron man, he's lame.
that's my reason for choosing war machine.
>>121415543
Replace War Machine with Iron Man and it's a great team.
Order it, Cable/IM/Doom or IM/Cable/Doom. Use Antiair assist on all three.
War Machine isn't bad, but he's kind of a lesser Iron Man. And Iron Man + Doom-B can start his infinite easy.
>>121416645
KoF fanboys everybody
>>121416645
a slim sandwich?
>>121416736
if you seriously think KoF is a kusoge on the level of arcsys games you're a retard
>>121416569
practice it in 4 first so you can see your inputs. if you don't have 4 then you're going to have to figure out what you're doing on your own. if you're getting special instead of super chances are you're pressing the button too early or just mashing it.
>>121416671
You're reason for choosing War Machine is stupid. Just play Iron Man he's way better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHpcFjm4oBQ
>>121416798
i love kof and you can shut up any time. you're getting on the level of slimposting right now.
>>121416798
>on the level of arcsys games
I don't think this is a fair comparison. I mean, arcsys tries really hard to make shitty fighting games.
>>121416973
no thanks, i'd rather play a team i like than a team that's optimal/top tier.
>>121416798
You're right, KoF gets much worse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqmxhEfim3M&list=PL03A1BFDC75064F12&index=44
>>121417117
juri is pure!
>>121417118
Then mvc2 isn't for you. Have fun losing because you don't want to OHK an entire team.
>>121416427
>Raiden
Pick him and only him with K-Groove
>>121417118
You're playing the wrong game.
>>121417257
i will :^)
>>121417117
>>121416798
There is about 256 KoF games and plenty of kusoge in the mix.
yfw you saw a marvel match and could follow what was happening on the screen for the first time
>>121416991
>slimposting
lol.
>>121417117
2lewd.
>>121417550
>not knowing the hot new meme is to replace shit with slim
>SFV not out for another 3 months
>>121417257
this is not the right way
>>121417324
this is the right way
>>121417251
>"Anon! Anon! I just tried this new shampoo and it smells so good."
>"Come on, take a sniff! Don't be shy!"
>>121417118
If you insist on playing War Machine, then I wouldn't start him.
Do Cable/WM/Doom all still on AAA. Get AHVB down consistently and learn patterns with Doom assist. Learn War Machine's infinite, but you really should just play Iron Man over him.
>>121417672
But Chiaki I have fun winning.
How many inputs does it take for mash moves in SFIV again
>>121417693
i wud
>>121417117
>SFV is pretty much done
>Capcom won't fix the shitty hitboxes and speed
blunder of the century
>>121417693
>sniff it now faganon!
>>121416798
It's worse and majorly played by Mexicans.
>>121417639
I think asshole would have been a more appropriate word to replace.
>>121418309
I think its just because it fits in a variety of applications, you can call something slimmy, call someone a slimmer, or say something is just straight slim, I like it
why the fuck is my name being used as an analog for shit
>>121418309
>I think ppopdeck would have been a more appropriate word to replace.
>>121417665
play the pc hax meanwhile
>>121418601
probably because you are the ultimate slimmer
>>121418601
Because nobody likes you.
Someone said you can download some file to use all of the usf4 for free, how do I do that?
>>121418760
All of the usf4 costumes*
>>121418208
I was thinking that would be a pain to piano and end on the right button but I guess not repeating the far one isn't that bad.
>mash inputs were the one thing I wassort of decent at as far as execution and they got removed completely
>>121418601
viva el rey de slim
Is it ironic the memehunter has become a meme?
>>121418760
Guaranteed VAC ban.
>>121418054
But they've been increasing the speed in practically every build and tweaking hitboxes as well.
All it needs are more combo options for characters with limited combos like Ryu and Necalli
>>121418760
Get the PS4 version?
>>121419103
Not ironic at all, if you stare too long into the abyss etc.
>>121413582
Tfw bought a hrap v kai
Does that mean I have a frame of delay on my inputs
>>121418601
your name has always been synonymous with shit. now it's just a meme.
>>121418760
why would you risk yourself for a bunch of cosmetics anon?
>>121419331
How hard is it to fuck a cosplayer?
>>121416798
this gen is gg>>sf>>>shit>>>>>>kof
>>121419294
>0.36 ms
how did you come that conclusion?
>>121419446
They're just like most other girls. If they're in your league and you're not hideous it isn't hard.
>>121419446
too hard
>>121419538
Oh I was looking at the wrong column
Dang thats not bad at all nvm
>>121419446
Are you handsome?
>>121419478
GG is shit. I don't know how people can stand to play this shitty guessing game.
>>121419568
>"in your league"
If you believe people belong in "leagues," I think you probably wouldn't do well at trying to get laid in general.
>>121419331
Jesus those asses look awful
>>121419446
Depends on the costume.
Something like Cammy should be trivial, but stripping away many layers of elaborate armor would take some effort.
>>121419446
dunno senpai, i only know that i'd fuck them pretty hard desu imo
>>121419568
Good point, I guess it doesn't make a difference.
I sense confidence coming from you anon. Do you have any experience?
>>121419590
Someone had to hit that at that event, and I'm not talking about fighting
>>121419645
Yeah, but I'm all skinnyfat right now.
>>121419751
I'm married, good try though.
>>121419769
L O W T E S T
>>121419709
lmao im guessing you stepped out of your hugbox and got your ass kicked in a real fighting game
>>121419789
I wonder if most cosplayer are even a good lay. I know some girls with amazing bodies that wear slutty clothes and are "dtf" but they usually just lay there like zombies and make the guy do all the work.
Fake ass bitches man.
>>121416736dimelo en mi cara y mira que pasa puto solo rambuleas en 4chan sobre juegos que no has tocado en tu vida. pobre autista problablemente tienes miedo de salir de tu casa ya que toda tu ropa es lo que usabas hace 5 años.
sometimes when i play fightcade chat messages don't show up in the game
I know they went through because they show up in the lobby, whats up?
anybody wanna Xrd
>>121420078
Naw I just wasted my time on a game that relies on oki setups and vortex which is a symptom of a kusoge.
>>121420429
>i can't deal so it's a bad game
diaper post of the day, congrats
>>121420429
So stop playing sf4?
I dont see how that relates to gg
>>121420429
you playing the right game?
>>121420586
Probably because you don't play it.
>>121420429
>getting caught in any character's vortex that isn't Millia or Zato
>>121420429
>>121420586
>>121420702
>>121420727
>>121420778
So is there vortex or not? I don't want to play vortex fighter anymore.
>>121420893
unlike SF4 there's like 5 different ways to break out of a vortex unless you get caught with an unblockable on wakeup which requires corner specific setups
>>121420893
Yes there is. People who say there isn't are lying. Also the vortex is much more oppressive than in SF4.
>>121420893
are people still complaining about vortex in USFIV?
>>121420893
if you thought blocking dudleys overhead was tough just wait until millia starts memeing on you
>>121420893
yes there is and when there is someone who is competent at the game it feels like blazblue
What should capcoms next 2nd tier fighter be? Something new? An old favorite?
>>121421574
dudleys overhead is faster than millia's overheads, except for maybe backdash YRC j.K
>>121420893
There's heavy oki like any anime game ever.
>>121413517
go with a jlf
holy shit how can anyone defend marvel 2 or say it was good beyond casual mid-level play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nQmnsV8cyE
>>121413517
LS32 is trash, just stick with JLF for fighting games
>>121421023
This. You only have yourself to blame if you get caught in a vortex in GG
>>121420893
In SF vega needs to sweep/throw you once to start flipping coins
in GG millia needs to hit you with specific starters/spacing that will combo into knockdown so that she can properly toss a disk without being too far away that she can't make the mixip reversible or too close that she can't be thrown, she also needs to make sure the other person doesn't have burst
if her timing is off the other person has4-5 different ways to get out without having to guess 50/50 mixups
>>121422504
you can say the same about sf4
>>121422447
lmao im guessing you stepped out of your hugbox and got your ass kicked in a real fighting game
>>121422568
it's almost as if people should be more critical of themselves and establishing why they ended up in a losing situation instead of just blaming the game/anything else other than themselves
>>121422447
The match pace of MvC2 is completely fucked but it's all they had other than CvS2 and 3S
>>121420429
Maybe you should stop being a shitter and learn how to play.
>>121422612
I won't even touch street fighter iv, fuck that hot trash
I've never played marvel beyond an ultracasual level
just sayin that high level play is literally just infinite for 40 seconds.
why not just go full circle and make it so one hit kills you at that point lmao
>>121422554
Why the fuck do GGfags always try to make their game seem harder than it is? If you fuck up Millia's vortex then you're a retard.
>>121422720
this so much
>>121422554
>I'll spew a bunch of buzzwords to make it seems harder than it actually is
lmao
>>121422860
Braindead Millia setplay only works at low level lmao.
>>121422793
cvs2
3s
super turbo
alpha 2
kof 98
tekken tag
soulcalibur
virtua fighter whatever
guilty gear x
these are all games that are vastly more respectable and fun than any installment of marvel, and which were around back then
>>121416447
Cable is arguably the best character in the game and can carry teams
>>121422936
>I don't understand a sentence so it must be buzzwords
nice logic senpai
>>121422936
none of those are buzzwords. midscreen disc oki is super spacing dependent because if you're too far the person can backdash or jump out of disc oki. if you dash too far and dont get the disc out on time you can get reversaled/grabbed or mashed out. corner oki is rough to deal with though.
>>121423006
none of these play like sfxmarvel or any mvc tho
>>121422554
GGshitters everyone
>mfw reiketsu followed me on twitter
>>121422860
>>121422936
>>121423339
>anon literally this mad they can't make an actual argument
s m h
t b h
f a m
>>121423074
Not even close. It's Storm or some people even say Sentinel.
>>121416427
depends which groove you play
generally the competitive grooves are
c
a
k
k groove team order doesn't matter, just put your ratio 2 last
c and a follow a similar team order to kof
point battery anchor
i.e. character who can rock without meter
character who builds meter
character who burns meter
so haohmaru is probably a good point character, his supers are shit, but he can do crazy damage off normals, plus he has that intimidation factor
>>121423426
Dont expect much from capkeks.
>>121422447
this is why you release various versions of the same game instead of milking the franchise by adding a number
>>121423426
Here's your argument
>in GG millia needs to hit you with specific starters/spacing that will combo into knockdown so that she can properly toss a disk without being too far away that she can't make the mixip reversible or too close that she can't be thrown, she also needs to make sure the other person doesn't have burst
no
>>121423339
the guy made it sound retarded even though he's kinda right but you're just being a retard if you honestly think gg is bad
>>121423240
that's the point
marvel is shi
>>121423136
>>121423197
Nothing hard to understand there, it's just a bunch of fighting game jargons that if you're in fgg you have the obligation to know what they mean. Doesn't change the fact that they were used there just to make it sound difficult and more complicated than it is, which is the definition of buzzword.
>>121423592
here's a suggestion
if you've never played a game over which you're trying to argue about specific mechanics then you should probably reconsider your life lmao
>>121423747
it's less that he tried to make the GG example sound complicated and more that he oversimplified the opposing example.
marvel is a broken ass game but it's not shit
it's way too fun to play
>>121422447
> I believe this was at a time when Justin was still undefeated in MvC2 (or had only lost to Sanford at that small east coast tourney), at a time when Justin was damn near untouchable, yet Mitsu is getting at him pretty hard, at least relative to how well everyone else was doing at the time
>justin playing team combofiend
>>121423892
yeah because everyone thinks their chip setups are the best
>>121423863
I guess.
>>121423747
here's a dumbed down version for you dude
first she needs to get a hard knockdown
if she puts a disc too close/too late she gets grabbed or they get out
if she puts a disc too far they can get out
if she doesn't expect a burst she gets knocked away
>>121424023
you can say the exact same about ibuki just replace disc with kunai timing
>>121424023
>first akuma needs to get a hard knockdown
>if he does a wrong version of demon flip it gets beaten by auto correct reversal
>if he fucks up the palmwhiff, they can grab him
>if he doesn't expect a backdash, they can get out
>>121424124
that's a pretty fair comparison
>>121424124
sf4 doesn't have wakeup throw as a viable option
you can't backdash out of ibuki setups unless they're retarded and majorly fuck up their inputs
you don't have burst or guard cancels in sf4
why are you talking about a game you clearly don't play at all?
Like how this shit throwing right now between GG and SF started because of somebody said KoF is kusoge.
>>121424357
>sf4 doesn't have wakeup throw as a viable option
oh yes it does
All fighting games are kusoge desu
GGfags are like smashfags. They both try so hard to make their game sound difficult.
beta phase 3 when
>>121424467
more like see demonik on my account in uniel
>>121424357
>sf4 doesn't have wakeup throw as a viable option
3 F R A M E S
>>121424361
kof being kusoge is an objective fact, no need to deliberate on it
whether gg is kusoge or not is still hotly debated among educated circles
>>121424405
not against ibuki setups you spaz because she's in the goddamn air
GG throws are 1-frame meaning and there's only a handful of games in the entire series where you can even tech them, meaning that if millia does her setup wrong and she's too close to you as you stand up you can throw her 100% of the time
again, why are you talking about a game you clearly don't' play at all?
>>121424467
discord is gay
>wake up
>I can't still play the cracked beta online
It hurts.
>>121424357
>sf4 doesn't have wakeup throw as a viable option
>why are you talking about a game you clearly don't play at all?
maybe you should ask yourself that
>>121424467
both of them are retards
>>121424023
more like this
-she confirms a combo from neutral
-she carries you into the corner with said combo
-she throws a floating fireball to prevent reversals on opponents wakeup (needs to be done properly or else people can escape multiple ways)
-at this point she has a 50/50 on your wakeup to corner combo you back into a knock down.
-rinse repeat.
to escape this:
-she messes disc setup
-she guesses wrong on the 50/50
-opponent bursts
-opponent daa
-opponent blitz shields
it aint that hard guys.
>>121424567
>not against ibuki setups you spaz because she's in the goddamn air
if she mistimes her kunai it whiffs and she lands right next to you
>>121424124
>>121424287
maybe you guys don't understand but millia doesn't even have to commit to an attack for her oki, she can place the disc and move freely about the screen while they're forced to block it
that's why her oki is so good because she has like 5 ways to mix up off of it with little to no danger to herself
>>121424467
Who is best?
>wake up
>ex pinwheel
it hurts.
>not against ibuki setups you spaz because she's in the goddamn air
for some reason this is really funny to read aloud
someone should stream SFV on twitch desu
>>121424670
true, but to throw ibuki out of setups they have to fuck up really bad while you can throw millia out of otherwise perfect setups if she's slightly closer to you than normal so it's still not comparable
>>121424467
>>121424676
>two worst players in the general
literally
L I T E R A L L Y
who cares
>>121424819
>throw ibuki out of setups they have to fuck up really bad
that's what we are talking about, fucking up setups and being punished for it
>>121424702
Snake obv
>>121424676
Did he dodge him after he got the game?
>>121424673
>millia doesn't even have to commit to an attack for her oki, she can place the disc and move freely about the screen while they're forced to block it
Sounds fantastic. Sign me out.
>>121424702
snake eyez has a more impressive tournament record but itazan is close
hagejin is an arcade monster and hasn't won anything of note but he beat snake eyez when they played so there is that.
IMO snake is just lightly better than them simply because he is way more solid
>>121424467
>>121424676
as someone who doesn't pay attention to retarded tripfag drama, all I know is that one guy has a cool castlevania avatar while the other guy has LE IRONIC SMUG ANIME GIRL so the 'better player' is the worst human being
>slimshitthebedagain
>>121424839
figuratively you do because you are replying to them
>>121424702
Itazan for being solid.
Hagejin for being random as fuck
Snake Eyes for having a sponsor and actually placing. Also winning evo with hdr gief vs a literal ST legend.
>>121424870
Yes, exactly.
Millia's setup has way more counters to it and if your spacing is even a little off you eat shit
with ibuki setups you have to majorly fuck up to risk getting punished at all
>>121424924
it's balanced by the fact you have burst, dead angle, FD pushback and that she has to hit like 5 combos to kill you compared to most of the cast's 3
how much damage does ibuki do in 4 I never really saw any matches with her
>>121424549
looking over some GG frame data they typically never have to deal with anything with less than 5 frames of start-up.
they can not compute.
>>121425242
Optimized is around 330 on medium chars, 414 on larger chars. Nobody goes for optimized combos except for pugera and that's why he loses a lot.
From what you guys are saying, it sounds like Millia is a really weak character.
>>121422447
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ghNaUxlkT8
Its hilarious watching capcomshitters try to talk down on GG.
>>121425383
throws are 1f and untechable. sf4 throws work as a semi-viable wakeup option because meaties are basically garbage.
>>121424549
Yeah 3 frames totally beats meaties you fucking retard
>>121425001
wanna play some vsav?
>>121424460
>My shit is harder than your shit!
Honestly I'm just here for the drama.
>>121425457
I see vice versa happening way more often.
there are way too many salty ASW fags in here.
honestly, I think you guys should just try making your own general again. we'd all be happier.
>>121425547
christ ok
>>121425407
second weakest character next to chipp and doesn't have the huge mobility chipp has
dies in 2 combos
no meterless reversal
bad pokes
roll is beaten by throw
can't even land her dust unless you're like right in front of them when you start it
but since her oki is the second best in the cast it makes her really strong
>>121424460
>game to hard for sfags to comprehend
>lmao nice buzzwords kid!!
enjoy your even more of a dumbed down game coming out capkek drone
>>121425505
>sticking your meaties in 4frame buffer city
nope
>>121425619
im in the lobby
>>121425603
I see equal amounts of shit throwing either way. Don't pretend Street fighter players are the paragon of good will in here.
>>121425086
Why do you think Hagejin is random? He probably jumps the least of all the Zangiefs. It was really only the Sim matchup that he jumped a lot and because he bodied Art and Champ, he must have been right in doing so.
>>121424964
Yeah, Hagejin hasn't entered many tournaments. I've only seen him in like 3-4 in total (not counting Topanga).
>>121425739
triggered
>>121425603
Maybe SF players should make it like they made their majors. ASWfags are incapable of doing things themselves and bite the hand that feeds them.
>>121425810
the difference is capcom games can support a general and you're here like some pathetic leech begging for respect that will never come
>my posts matter because I play the same game as people who aren't total fuckups like me
Ebin.
I need you Akiha
Every day until Maki is confirmed for SFV.
>>121425810
everyone is guilty on some level but the past few months here I've definitely seen way more shit posting from the remnant /aswg/ fags.
saying it's equal is just not true.
>>121425909
if you really think this place is a sanctuary for anything importnat thats fg related then you're either new or retarded
you're lucky anyone even comes here that isn't a tripfag circlejerker, weeb ecchi poster, or someone who doesn't play fighting games.
>>121425407
Shes low tier.
>>121413484
they'll never be in the same game ever again ;-;
>>121425909
I don't even play GG that much, I'm a KoF player, so don't try pointing at bias that's not there. Guess what the whole shit that started was because >>121419478 said gg was better than sf. While having kof be at the bottom of his rankings. You don't see me sperging out about it though.
>>121426237
says who nigga
>>121425825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kENqtY_nsbA This match, he keeps trying to cancel st.lk into green hand and the redditor keeps blowing it up, like he's convinced the guy did it on luck or something, he loses 2 rounds because of just being random. I know the matchup is ass when honda has meter but it's all the more reason to not do random shit like that.
>>121426141
Why? Are you a Guy main or something
>>121426286
>tfw this guy was from my local scene
>>121425483
yep that's why I said typically.
overall I'm kind of surprised at how slow the attacking was in general to be quite honest. the game doesn't look fast or anything but I see too many GG sycophants on here acting like it's the epitome of fighting games so I was expecting something a little more 'exciting' when I started looking into the core of the game.
if it gets a current release on PC I'll give the game a try for sure though. looks more fun than BB at least.
>>121426348
He's a solid Honda. Go practice with him.
>>121426237
she's low tier and so hard to play like my cock lmao
>Gen returned
>Birdie returned
>Eagle returned
>Adon returned
>Sagat returned
>Geki got replaced by Vega
>Joe got replaced by Cody
>Mike got replaced/is Balrog
>Lee got replaced by Yun
>Retsu???
>>121426253
guy is entitled to his opinion but i guess most opinions are wrong here.
i think it mostly came from >>121416798
>>121426250
man this game made no sense. What the fuck was up with Barlog and why were they were in some distance future if I recall correctly.
I didn't even connect CS Arthur to G&G Arthur as a kid.
