Marignon Edition
Dominions is a fantasy turn-based strategy game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.
The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.
It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.
Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a strategy game.
>Steamgroup
Join the steamgroup for multiplayer
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya
>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795
>Our work-in-progress wiki
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki
>Dom4 Manual
http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf
>Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/
>Play by email guide:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551
>Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/JMmSrpdE
>Debug Mod:
For testing battle formations and spells
http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/debug-mod
>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam. Desura is ded.
There is no functional pirate version.
>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the pastebin
>Read the memes
>I want to play X
Heavy infantry nations with simple magic for noobs: MA Ulm, Abysia, LA Man
Human nations with a lot of diversity: T'ien Ch'i (any age), Arcoscephale (EA and LA), EA Ermor
Giant nations with a major bless: Niefelheim, Fomoria, Ashdod
Necromancy: C'tis, Sceleria, MA Ermor, Asphodel, Lemuria, Nazca
Sneaky Nations: Vanheim, TNN, Eriu, MA Man, Xibalba, Caelum
Edge Nations: Lanka, Sauromatia, MA Ermor, Asphodel, Hinnom
1st for snaek bathtime
>>121409134
Thank you for the thematic OP pic.
-not-anime shitposters
>>121409134
Since we've got a new thread...
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>>121409742
Can you fuck off already?
>>121409928
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+filter+trips+on+4chan
how useful is EA caelum rushing conjuration and going for the national summons + elemental royalty + tarrasque and go full meme mode using them as SCs?
Also which one is caelum's late game strategy other than thunder spam?
other than that, are tarrasque as good as they seem or are they just a noob trap? 25 nature gems for a SC chassis seems pretty good
>>121410246
EA Caelum can actually do really well for a long time without their summons
>>121410246
Tarrasques are big meat shields, nothing more. They're hard to tug around because of MM1 and can be tricky to place for most armies due to their poison aura. There's better ways to spend nature gems, in short.
>>121410246
Tarrasques are a trap and don't come summoned as a commander
>no magic
>shit slots
>shit defence
>not fatigue neutral
>shit map move
>poison cloud so mages can't buff it without poison res
>>121410493
Oh, thanks anon. you avoided me some time and disappointment.
Also speaking of that, I usually find myself not being able to use all of my gems other than forging vine shields and other magic items. Is there a thumb rule for which ones are the best ways to spend them?
>>121410635
They are expensive and have limited use but I wouldn't really call them a trap.
There's a place for one or two 200 hp units in any army. I'd rather get leviathans at half the price half a game earlier though.
>>poison cloud so mages can't buff it without poison res
Eh, if you are at conj 9 you can probably spare an extra 3 gems to give your mage a ring or just cast an army wide buff.
>>121410908
You can just use vine ogres for evo catchers if you really cared. Tree Lords and Ivy Kings seems a much better use of gems in comparison.
>>121411092
Harder to hit one-two units than a whole stack of them, especially under precision debuffs.
It's pretty neat to see a large stack of shit missing 90% of the shots trying to hit two units on the side of the map.
>>121411369
Vine Ogres have so much health it doesn't really matter though and you can get 16 of them for the price of 1 tarrasque
>>121410246
Caelum's summons are NOT SC they are thugs and or big battlefield blasters/buffers
>>121412702
>they are thugs
Their stats seem kinda low for thugs
>>121412821
Exactly. If they're low to thug think about sending one of them up against a mage supported army.
>>121412821
Ehh People use Dakinis all the time to raid/thug, they are totally fine.Not talking about Yazads though those things will die to one frozen heart
I understand we have a lot of time until the next turn hosts, but you're the only one left who hasn't done their turn, TheNoobening Abysia
>>121417854
Actually, this message was meant for Bullshit Djesse.
>>121409134
fukkin' saved
>>121418053
What? No, it's for Abysia
>>121410246
There's pretty much nothing in conj that caelum actually wants. You want fog warriors, wrathful skies, phantasmal army, storm, tstrike, in roughly reverse that order. You go conj largely to pick up exciting mages to cap thrones with for stealth birdman thronecap victory. Living Air isn't bad. Better than phantasmal army when you need a big pile of bullshit to slow enemies down with.
>>121418225
Please stop trying to hijack my message. It's for Djesse.
>>121418840
>>121418053
Who the fuck is Djesse
>>121417854
This clearly says Abysia
>>121418840
No it's for SmallFish Ctiss
>>121418421
some early conj is appropriate for Summon Storm Power
>>121419020
Oh yes, certainly. But the first few levels in a school are basically free. I mean any actual deep investment of RP in it. I keep forgetting that noobs might think that absolutist thinking can actually be applied to dom4 in any way.
is it ever worth taking wraith of god outside high dominion turmoil 3 nations?
>>121419615
Honestly, I don't know. I have one running for 10-something turns in one of my games, and I have absolutely no idea how effective it is. I mean, it kills 80 and wounds 160 guys per turn, but those may as well be longdeads or militia.
Now, maybe if you combine it with Foul Air...
>>121419841
>foul air, wraith of god, vengeful waters, and Dark skies
>becoming one of the most pain in the ass dominions possible especially if your a pop kill nation
I Know it's pretty much impossible in a real game but...
>>121419615
I've never been impressed with the spell.
Even Perpetual Storm with a non-air nation seems like a better idea.
>>121419615
If you're just trying to shake up a full global roster, it's probably better than Dispel, and if you stumble upon being able to cast it, hey, why not
I mean, it's probably worth two golems
>>121414610
Dakinis cost slaves, fly, have life drain, and can use all the air buffs they want.
Most importantly they cost slaves, which are a lot cheaper than gems.
>>121420169
Wrath of God takes S pearls
>>121420130
M8, Foul Air works for the whole map, and even against the player who cast it.
It's basically single wound ("wound" is some % of hitpoints, as far as I remember) = unit diseased.
here's a question: does fires from afar do more damage to units with fire weaknesses?
>>121418949
Yeah, but it was meant for Djesse, because it perfectly describes him. Please stop dumbposting, it's not cute.
>>121421040
>guy tries to hijack some other person's post to be le ememelordo
>it backfires
>calls everyone else dumb
Alright.
>>121420758
Yes.It also deals less / no damage to units with fire resistance.
>>121421040
So Djesse also hasn't put in his turn yet on your game, alright.
Why didn't you just make another post saying that? Nothing's being described. Do you even know what you're replying to or are you just trying to troll?
>>121420758
The better question is: why is fires from afar so shit?
>>121420758
Yes.
>>121421213
When did the guy asking about abysia call everyone dumb?
>>121421374
because it cost 10 gems. if it was 5 gems it would be just fine
>>121421415
You just got memed son
>>121421374
>>121421828
Cast it on research centers instead of trying to kill chaff via rituals
>>121421415
Someone said they're waiting on Abysia to do a turn in thenoobening game, and then someone tried to hijack the post saying it describes someone else in a completely different game, I guess. It doesn't look like there was anything said about anyone though, so I don't get it.
>>121421872
>>121421040
>>121418840
>>121418053
>>121422309
Some guy posted about someone being late with their turn.
Some other guy said it was actually about some other person.
Then the first guy came back and was like 'no, it's not'
Then the second guy was like 'lol no it was i'm right don'tlookatme'
And the first guy kept arguing, and the second guy kept trying to act like he was right
Basically what you'd expect of domg's autism. Two autistic people, one of whom is trying to be an edgy memelord, and the other who is not realizing this.
>>121422756
So basically what you're saying is we need more Forrester Bob
>>121422990
The only good thing that ever happened to this wretched general
>>121423063
>>121423063
You're asking for a stabbin, m8
>>121423241
You mean Djesse is dildos, right?
>>121422990
>>121423063
I like Forester Bob. It's funny, interesting, and had some decent art. Which I don't have any more. Could people post some up?
Compared to 'ANIME WAIFUS' and edgy memelording, it's vastly better. Actually dominions related, not too serious, funny.
I've been personally trying to find some good pictures to make some 'the elves are coming' memes. Like 'fuck, hide, the elves are coming' because that happens a lot in this game. Scary blood-mad glamour assholes all through your shit while you try desperately to get them off you.
>>121423513
does /domg/ have any drawfags?
>>121423682
I know we have at least one, since he posted his art in the steam group. Pretty good, too.
>>121423513
You could edit the nazgul in the roadside scene of Fellowship of the ring to be a Vanjarl
>>121423682
I drew lewds once, but I havent attempted doing any since then.
>>121409373
Is it named Earth Snake?
I finally got to see Reincarnation in action.
my yogi had 1 exp star and was assassinated (thanks bats) and he essentially just reappeared in my cap.
Does fire rear ignore commanders?
>>121431951
That's cool. I thought that you needed a higher level to actually reincarnate as the same thing. Maybe it's RNG based
>>121432276
It doesn't exist.
>No turns
>>121433406
It exists on Mind Lords
>>121432276
>>121433406
>>121436548
I didn't know that. That's neat.
>>121435961
fashionably late just got 1
>>121437867
Fashionably late can suck my fashionably large dick you nerd
Who the fuck are the Griffins even besides that cartoon show
Are you a fat family guy is that what you're saying? Fucking faggot I hate you.
>>121439197
In the previous thread, we have discovered two members of our community have Asperger's Syndrome. Congratulations on broadcasting that you are the third.
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goodnight /domg/
Just a note for those editing the wiki, especially the gentleman editing the EA Agartha page: A blow-by-blow breakdown of every unit in a roster is not a "strategic overview." Take that to a guide.
>>121440627
Fuck you, man, I like autism in my wiki pages.
>>121439197
>>121439197
>he doesn't know about griffins
ho ho ho.
>>121440627
A Breakdown of each unit for a nation that explains all the various tags and whatnot is something that go in the general wiki section.
Holy balls, my dude who won the arena tourney now has like 30 defence.
>>121442051
Looks like someone got SWOLE
>>121442051
A hero worthy of song!
>>121442051
Got a screenshot of the dude and stats?
Say I wanted to create a map with exactly one province per player. Is this possible? If so, how?
>>121445746
>Is this possible?
Yes.
>If so, how?
Figure out how many players you're going to have, then make a map with that many provinces.
>>121445875
Yeah, I just tried that, doesn't work.
Crashes on startup most of the time, can not find legal starting position. This is with thrones off. It's also crashed once saying something and something had a shared capital.
>NoModOrBuddha
That was my first PBEM. I have fond memories of my stand against R'lyeh and Atlantis.
I'll try to go through and submit all the games I've been in. Off the top of my head I remember that I won an MA game called MAting Dance as Nazca right when they came out
(full name was really long, something like MAting Dance of some bird or something iirc)
and I won NewPBEMThatIsn'tNatGen as MA Pythium.
>>121445875
Here's an example. Ten player map with eleven provinces. Ten players on the map, yet a province right next to my capital is not used. When I end my turn it crashes giving the message "bc: p7 shares capital with p5"
>>121446001
some provinces might be automarked as nostart due to not enough connections
>>121446241
They are all manually marked as start except for the center.
>>121446350
Make it a scenario map then.
>>121446350
Is that empty blue province UW? That's all I got
>>121446439
What's the victory condition number for conquer all?
>>121447189
Land nations only, land provinces only.
It still does it, even when I set it to scenario.
Like it'll give two nations the same capital even though there's an available spot on the map.
Upon further testing, this seems to be a map generation error.
Most of the time it'll fuck up, but sometimes it'll magically succeed.
>>121440627
what's a good refence page for writing a wiki page for a nation? i might do Pangea today
>>121447890
Godspeed.
I like the idea of having succint troop overviews in the strategy section, since the idea is that it'll explain what certain troops do a little better. I'd also recommend taking a look at that "How each nation changes through the ages" picture that keeps floating around here so you can make any fluff edits.
But generally, talk about the nations strengths, its weaknesses, and give an explanation for all relevant mechanics and/or special abilities. A Pan page should probably include at least a link to the awe and seduction pages, as well as mention the fact that your dominion summons bitches.
I use the EA Niefelheim page, for whatever its worth.
>>121447821
i had trouble placing 2 capitals even on Talis, which is a well-made 2 starting provinces map made for 1vs1.
the game seems to have a 20% chance to fuck up capital placement and place 2 in the same spot.
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Agartha_(Early_Ages)
EA Agartha mostly done. Need to add a sentence or two explaining the scrying you can do with earth mages, as well as actually test out what BREAK THE SEAL really does. As well, we need to link to some of the many guides for it.
Am trying to leave the strategy overview as just an explanation of the various mechanics of the nation, with the numerous guides actually giving some opinion. The wiki page will bring up that Agarthans have Cold Blood, and ideally the guide will mention that a pretender should go heat 3.
Lemme know if you find anything wrong with it.
>>121448570
Maybe make a reference to their magic access in the strategic overview (Deep earth, shallow death/water/fire). Might also be worth mentioning that they have efficient national summons.
Honestly, this is a solid entry though. Great job.
>>121448570
>The wiki page will bring up that Agarthans have Cold Blood, and ideally the guide will mention that a pretender should go heat 3.
The wiki should mention that taking heat scales can mitigate the downsides of cold blood and thus can be considered an advisable scale. That's well within the realm of the sufficiently objective.
>>121448570
>as well as actually test out what BREAK THE SEAL really does
You get over a hundred Umbrals, (Or penumbrals, whichever the little guys are), darkness persists for a few turns, and the 3 god vessels appear in random places and then halfassedly wander towards capitals, though they don't necessarily choose the capital they're closest to
killing a God Vessel unleashes a Legion of Gods
>>121448408
This percentage seems to increase as the amount of provinces and players increases.
>>121448771
You get a fair few of the big ones too.
What is the difference between amphibious and poor amphibian beyond the manuals "lol poor amphibians are worse underwater."
Does anyone have any actual stats?
>>121448743
That's a good thought. I'll throw in a blurb, and make the Cold Blooded page so there will be something more indepth about it.
>>121448969
It's an attack, defense, and AP penalty. I'd have to double check, but I think it's either 4 or 6.
>>121449048
it's -3
BUT underwater is also dark so I believe you're right in that the net penalty to attack and defense for your average dude is -4 in shallow ocean and -6 in deep
>>121449048
Just checked, it's -3 attack and defense. It's hard to tell what the AP penalty is, since some of my units are showing base 11 reduced to 4, some are showing base 11 reduced to 5, and the base 6 soulless are reduced to 3. I think it's -6 capped at a minimum AP of 3, and that the ones reduced to 4 are being slowed by armor.
>>121449253
Are you sure that shallow oceans have a darkness penalty? I know deep oceans do.
>>121449365
I just checked, regular sea seems darkness free
Does anyone know the actual mechanics of rusting underwater, or do we just vaguely know that ferrous stuff rusts underwater.
>>121448771
>>121448743
>>121448718
thanks for all yalls help.
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Agartha_(Early_Ages)
updorted version.
had to add a couple of pages, but did mention some basic scales regarding cold blooded, sometihng about the Halls of the oracles, and found a guide on desura i linked to.
any criticisms?
>>121431951
i said i'm sorry ;_;
i just wanted the nature gems, and the fucking dogs are even buttraping my bats too. Literally 7 attacks (one of them assassination attempt)
>>121452387
>Losing 7 provinces to indy attacks
What are you even doing with your life.
>>121452387
>tfw I had only one attack (two if you count shitty failed assassinations)
This is fine desu.
Stale pan-chan, are you there? do you want me to kill those werewolves in your cap ring so you can capture it with a flying scout? I don't know if you can get to there easily
>>121452640
Yeah, go for it.
>>121452690
anon, why would you try to meme me?
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Abysia_(Late_Ages)
Working on LA Aby now because I just click the random button. General cry for help, strats, tips, etc.
>>121452640
No it's fine I'll take it back once summer rolls in
Maybe even seduce me some hot werewolf bitches
>>121447312
That sounds very typical of dom4, actually.
How much would you give for dom4 to be open sourced?
1. Is there anything I can summon to claim thrones? The map is pretty big and my pretender and prophet can't be everywhere.
2. The map is huge and I need to spread my dominion around. If my priests are weak and I have basically no dominion far from my home provinces is Enchanted Forests a good thing to cast?
>>121459071
Bishop fish. Conj6.
>>121459071
>2. The map is huge and I need to spread my dominion around. If my priests are weak and I have basically no dominion far from my home provinces is Enchanted Forests a good thing to cast?
build lot of temples even in your most protect, inland provinces. hae an astral2 earth 2 mage craft lot of stone idols and one of them to each scout , moving them in provinces of enemy dominion bordering your dominion.
if you are a nation that is able to blood sacrifice you should do it massively. if not the best you can do is to have level 2/ priests preach in low dominion provinces. if stealthy they can preach in enemy provinces. preaching is not that powerful unless you have holy 3 priests, because it has very little chance to succeed in high friendly or enemy dominion, it's just an option to acelerate the work of your temples.
>>121459071
Enchanted Forests will give you a massive increase to dominion spread, but it's likely to piss off other players. Unless you're confident you can take on the worldor you're playing against AI, don't cast it.
>>121459139
Hey, that's a really neat idea, I forgot about those.
>>121459820
>preaching is not that powerful unless you have holy 3 priests, because it has very little chance to succeed in high friendly or enemy dominion
Friendly dominion doesn't affect success chance, preachers just can't increase dominion above a certain level.
>200 kitted Niefel Jarls
what do?
>>121461041
200 mages casting life4life or leech.
>>121461041
>>121461070
might need more than one life for life to kill them, but that's the basic idea.
>>121461041
>>121461070
Oh or drain life but thats way harder to cast and more difficult to amass 200 mages capable of casting that. Also range compared to life4life.
Is Asphodel as urgent to remove as Ermor?
>>121461467
if they have loads of forest sure.
I'm tired of playing lategame caster powers. If I just want to kekeke bless rush someone which nation should I play?
>>121461852
Vanheim.
Tribless ADF kailasa, max archers.
Have fun having wind guide+fire arrows since turn 1
I want to try and actually win with EA R'lyeh in a multiplayer game. Do you think this can be done? My reasoning is that since the national troops are really awful the only way to salvage the nation is to focus on summoning with a dedicated rainbow. The fighting portion of the army will have to be mostly summons. Thus the pretender should be an oldschool rainbow capable of casting a lot of different spells.
>>121409742
Since I finished doing my turns I went and collated the current standings:
11 Forester Bob
9 Erf Snek
9 itdepends
9 >stabbed by a methhead
9 Turnbullying
9 Quadbless Mictlan
8 2000 ghosts in a fort
8 Astral 1
8 Pankoman
8 Remove Elves
7 Bane Lord/Bane
7 Giant Man-Eating Jews
7 Have we checked on Ermor?
7 Scrub Club
7 Ulm - waiting for turn file
6 100 PD
6 Burden of Time
6 Heroic Obesity
6 Illfraud
6 Useless Kick
5 Desura Thug
-----Only two of the following get in:
4 Angry Stone Face
4 Asshole Batman
4 Lugh the Long Handed
4 >testing
-----Cutoff line
3 Illfraud's Cocaine Cruise
3 >Turn 1 Earthquake/Rain of Stones
3 Underwater Archers/UW Archer PD
2 >avg /domg/ pretender
2 Badminning
2 Bogus the Troll
2 BoT GET OUT REEEEEEE
2 Fresh Hot Stales
2 Olm Miscegnation
2 Poor Little Agartha
1 >Nationgen Balance
0 taking my ball and going home
The poll is still open, so if you haven't voted yet, go and throw in a vote for your favorite memes. Or don't, it's not like I can force you to.
>>121461467
>>121461526
Speaking of Asphodel, how would you play it ? I want to try it, but I'm not sure about going full scales and dominion to get money and lots of free chaff, or to get a bless for black centaurs, or something else. Especially since they start with a shitty army and no scout, just a minotaur and a dead guy.
>>121465579
Go W9, imprisoned so you have decent scales
>>121448771
Somone said 90% of your capital dies too
>trying to outchaff the chaff king
Cum on m8
>>121465967
Also, Man, whatever you are planning to do with those troops stationed across the sea, if it involves me, I suggest you not do. I have triple that number waiting for you if you should you decide to come into my domain.
Instead, I suggest you do what you said you would do some turns back and attack Pangaea. They've been losing army after army to me and are very open to an attack. Better act now before I eat them up completely and leave you nothing, not even scraps.
>>121465967
>armies without mage support
Is this AI vs AI?
>>121466536
I haven't hit my ultra important supah secret research goal yet and Pan's are fucking expensive.
>>121466536
My mages are otherwise preoccupied and it's not like I need them, had he mages or not.
>>121452387
Bats is probably like 70 province big at this point.
>>121462691
>needing air 9
just go air4 and getmore scales for buying more archers.
>>121470653
A9 makes your shit not pincushions.
I'm Fomoria with a shit ton of Air gems, what do I do with them besides using them in combat / boosters?
>>121466536
Pan and Ermor, two nations blessed with cheap and abundant mages.
Besides, pan brought 7 mages with 250 troops. 250 troops is like pan detachment size, so it's heavily overmaged.
>>121473826
Air queens, corpse constructs, great eagles for breaching forts
>>121473826
Owl Quills, Creating Corpse Men, Casting Trade Wind on coastal provinces.Craft some Winged Shoes. Great Eagles/Draconians are pretty good for taking forts.
TornVale is about to become an even greater clusterfuck than it already is, mark my words.
>>121473826
I end up spending most of my gems on battle magic and mobility (winged shoes/CT) - if you still have gems, I think the Eagles and Corpse Constructs are the most economic uses, for sieges/blockers respectively.
>>121477195
You have no idea.
>>121442920
I'll grab one once I get home from work.
>Best priests are commanders
>People keep thinking I'm about to attack them when I'm just trying to spread muh dominion
;_;
>>121461041
Banefire is always the answer.
>>121478374
I-I'm sorry monkeys, you looked awful menacing...
>>121478168
>>121478168
am I the only player who actually uses there gems.
Just pumping out the useful boosters and good summons seems to use mine up pretty well.
>>121478168
>20 more Dusk Elders or 413 lictors
>15 more golems
I guess you're still going to put them all in BoT, do you?
>>121452387
Bats, is the throne we discussing the throne of beasts?
Because I want to stop this stupid shit asap.
Either way, I'm sending you are more detailed message.
>>121480426
It's not going to stop though. Throne events end after some number of turns even if you recapture it from the initial player.
Do not listen to Agarthan lies concerning bat province strength
Agartha wants to get rid of its ONLY CONTENDER for the ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY CAVE PROVINCES on the map
Half of the caves are controlled by Agartha already and we should probably remove them both
>>121480571
Well fuck. Please don't fucking land on that fort i'm building way in the back please.
>Singleplayer
>UW expansion is easy and fine
>Multiplayer
>Every UW province has either 16 prot powerhouses, size 4 trolls or a fucking kraken
>SHARK TRIBE TRITONS with THREE attacks and ENRAGE
>Fun
>>121480746
My way into te caves gets me a few provinces before it runs intoUr, so it's fine
>>121481342
>Ur
The connections on this map are all sorts of interesting.
Sauro are you here? Can we talk?
>>121481423
Yeah, will it be enough so that no-one is stuck helplessly on the other side of the map while bats rape everything? Only time will tell.
>>121480991
best to just take land provinces then.or you will be a small fish
Reminder that SOBEK DID NOTHING WRONG
>No turns because Pan hired a druggie to assassinate amuys
>>121481710
>everyone memes about me being in a strong position
>literally 70% of my provinces have between 5 and 15 income
>some of them have 2 or less income, and i have a literal 0 income province
>unironically literally no magic sites found after searching with my D2 commander
>i'm in cold land: the land of no cold blooded people allowed
s-sure, I'm strong ;_;
the only thing i have are a lot of provinces, which have less than 1000 population and aren't suited for blood hunt at all.
by the way, how are you guys doing?
>>121473826
>>121474207
also staff of storms.
Air globals are also cool.
Air isn't one of the gem types there aren't many uses for.
>>121480991
Trols and krakens are actually pretty weak. Amber and Shark tribe is scary though
>>121489191
which ones are the less usable gems? water?
>>121489528
Fire. Water isn't that great unless you have construction or thaumaturgy.
>>121489528
Fire and Astral.
Fire can boost RP and summon some really shitty shit.
Astral can do things super late game or be converted into useful gems, it has a handful of good summons, but it requires high level mages and/or crosspaths to be truly useful.
>>121489528
>>121490048
fire and water is right.
And it's not that they aren't useful, it's that they have limited uses.
Waters can make good things, but the list is short. Water bottles, brands and boosters is about it. With Vengeful waters being the other main use.
Fire has lanterns, fire in a jar. Fire helm are crappy boosters, but they are boosters. If you have things to cross the fire list the uses expand a lot in terms of construction though.
What does /domg/ see as the most useful gem type, the one that they can literally never have enough of?
Death for me, even on a low to no death nation I always crave more Death gems, there are just so many good uses.
>>121490518
Earth and nature are way better in big quantities.
>>121490298
conversions, boosters, antimagic amulets, and such means pearls are pretty useful.
Even without high level casters I never find I have too many of them.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume Ctiss is chain staling
>>121490565
nature? which ones are the best ways to spend nature gems? i tend to spend them randomly with "summon animals" and shit like that
>>121490518
>>121490565
earth, nature and death are probably top, though I'd put earth as the leader there.
Death becomes some you want a lot more of the more death you have access to, if you've only got death 1 with a little 2 you mainly want death gems to get more death power to start doing the death things. At higher death you can do so much.
Nature makes a few very good, useful and spamable items at just N2, and has couple of summons that are quite useful, but if you don't have thugs, need supply or the crosspaths it gives it's usefulness decreases.
Earth has a lot of different uses, I can't think of a nation that can use earth that doesn't want to be using all the earth gems it can get it's hands on.
>>121491173
anything but summon animals
>>121491358
b-but they are fun and random, don't you hate fun?
is faerie court a better choice? but that's pretty deep into conj
>>121491173
list:
Thistle maces to turn all your nature mages better.
Boots and amulets to give reinigorate to your mages.
Vine shields for all of your thugs.
Bags of wine to solve all of your supply problems.
Troll tribe can get you into earth or death if you haven't already gotten there.
The sleeper is a great commander.
If you can do it, lamia queens unlock more paths.
>>121491504
Pack of Wolves gives stealthy patrollers.
>>121491504
Faerie Court is good, Lamias are probably the best troop and the good globals are: gift of health, enchanted forests, wild hunt, gift of natures bounty.
They need to be overcast though, which is the only time saving gems is reasonable.
>>121491282
on this note. Air is funny in that at low air there isn't much use outside of quills, bows and winged boots.
But once you get a Air 4 you can consume air gems faster than you can earn them if the game isn't over. Boosters are things you want, trade winds, useful summons, staff of the storm, wind ride.
>>121491504
vine ogres/vinemans
ivy kings
lamias
treelords
sleepers
worm that walks
GoR
all the nature globals
killer mantis
and call of the wild
How do I host a conquest all game on llamaserver?
>fenris' pelt
>unique
wait what?
i got that one from a indie province in stalewarriors, does that mean no one can craft it anymore? i didnt know it was that good
>>121492631
It isn't *that* good, it's just unique. Free Howl is alright, but the wearer goes berserk and gets himself killed.
Gentlemen, I present you with the greatest clusterfuck to grace us since Flatus.
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=LotusClusterfuck
Twelve players, twenty five provinces. Max gold, max resources, max supplies. Very easy researching. Big armies, strong SC pretenders and NO SCALES predicted.
Don't bother aiming for late game. Don't bother aiming for mid game. Early is the name of the game.
P.S.: No underwater nations allowed.
>bishop fish
lol that guy is hilarious, is it a good investment using him with a fish amulet to get him out of water and bless your troops? i find myself needing a divine blessing user with some nations
>>121493631
I wouldn't get him for that, but I would get three or so for claiming thrones.
SUB NEEDED
All right, ladies and gentlemen! Do you want to have a good time playing late-game Mictlan? Do you want to be a part of
>stabbed by a methhead
meme? Look no further!
I still can't contact Amuys after a weeka few weeks? How long has it been?after the incident, so we need a replacement for him.
All players have good positions, and nobody staled even once (except Amuys when he died). Mictlan has a global in place, and is going strong.
If you're interested, tell me your Steam name in the thread, or contact CoolStory.
Amuys, if you're here,THEN WHY THE HELL ARE YOU NOT RESPONDING ON STEAM, YOU NIGGER.
>>121493748
right, right, that's pretty interesting aswell
>>121493631
Love this guy. Only downside is he has upkeep, but not many generic summons get H3.
>>121493496
>Unexpected Nation
>>121493496
>Max gold
>Very easy researching
>Unexpected Nation
gg
>>121493916
Did he actually get stabbed by a methhead or is that just a joke?
>>121495009
Nobody could contact him after that server message, so we may never know.
That's why you should set yourself AI if you're about to die, kids.
>>121495150
I clearly missed this whole event. What was this server message?
>>121495446
>>121495509
>>121495793
Fuck, wrong picture.
What are some of the best paths to take for an SC commander?
I know earth gives protection and death gives fear but what else?
>>121496416
>>121496416
it's on the goddamn manual.
anyway you should check out low level alteration/enchantment buffs.
>>121496416
Golems tend to be popular since they can't be targeted by cascades, duel, or the blood damage spells, have 0 encumbrance, and come with fire and poison res. They can teleport in and cast astral shield and ethereal on themselves. The downside is shatter does a number on them and they have shit combat stats.
>>121496416
Fire gives pheonix pyre, air gives mistform and cloud trapeze for mobility, nature gives personal regeneration. But really, an actual SC needs something that can kill an army, which limits you to stuff like soul vortex, firestorm, soul drain, and so on. Of course, a lot of these are hard to cast and knock the caster out, so getting a SC that works and won't die to any number of mages is pretty damn hard.
>>121496416
Now that you know all about SCs, come join SC pretender clusterfuck central!
>inb4 5 stales this turn
this game is pretty memetastic
>>121497143
Yeah, caster SCs are more focused on using spells like firestorm or elemental spam to kill enough to cause a rout or completely destroy an army.
Melee SCs tend to focus on being tanky enough to outlast the enemy and slowly destroy the enemy through attrition or turn limit
>>121498105
LMAO 2 GHOST WOLVES
got death magic sites but not national death mages. What can I do with my death gems if the higher death mage i have is a D2B2 independent mage?
>>121498165
>two of them are my neighbors
Are skull mentors worth it?
>>121499725
It depends. If you're playing a spooky nation, then you're better off with lanterns, because you need death gems for mages, summons, and shit.
>>121499725
If you have const6 and shit research but gems/mages for effectively using other paths/non-gem spells, yes.
>>121491173
Nature has amazingly good and useful globals, excellent summons (lamias, faerie courts, troll tribes can carry the game alone), potent battle spells (howl, relief, swarm) and very easy to get gem gen.
Earth opens up instantly summoned armies (hidden in X), awesome buffs and battle spells (RoS, EQ) and decent globals.
And both have great forging too.
>>121493916
I managed to get a message back from him on steam saying that he hasn't been feeling well. He was also posted in the thread yesterday and the day before.
I think he's in a bad spot mentally for whatever reason, so getting a sub for him is probably for the best, but he might be able to do the admin transfer and so on.
>>121498562
You craft a skullstaff and black book of secrets (artifacts).
You give skullstaff to D2, summon mound fiend.
Give both to D3 mound fiend, now you've got D5.
Now you can summon a lich.
Lich with skullstaff and black book of secrets is capable of crafting skull face.
Well, congratulations, you've got D7 and that's pretty much all the death ever, including tartarian factory (possibly more than one).
Without artifact you are limited to D4 on skullstaffed mound fiends.
>>121503970
You can always cast twiceborn though. It has a chance to give +1d.
>>121504148
I'm not really sure if undead can be twiceborned, but I don't find twice born reliable enough in general.
>>121504414
Undead can't be twiceborned. But it's a good way to get into death without researching Construction 8.
>>121504801
>But it's a good way to get into death
He's got D2 as base, he's not going to go higher than D4 with twiceborn without construction 8. (so, same as mound fiend)
You need a base D3 mage to twiceborn to get over the D5 hurdle and then artifacts anyway for maximum death like tarts.
I have luck three and have lost 4 provinces to events by turn 8, including losing a Melquart to a fuck-off invasion.
By the titty-fucking Nephilim this is a hard mode start.
>>121506629
>recruiting melquarts turn 6
Why
SADE THE GOAT MOM IS PURE
PURE!
>>121507185
HOW WOULD HE EVEN GIVE HER AWAY
IT'S A FUCKING WOLF
>>121507185
>WOOF
>NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
>>121507185
DAMMIT MOON MOON
>>121478374
>spreading dominion
>not a form of aggression
know your place monkies
>>121478374
>"Your God's a shithead, ours is better!"
>"No, why are you attacking me!"
>>121509874
what happened?
also:
>niefelheim memeing ermor out
poor AI ;_;
>>121480991
>worried about trolls
the only thing scary in the water is amber clans unless your theodoro and you actually have to worry about MR
Welp, 100 skinshifters marching on me and wolves decided to attack as well.
If I don't survive, fuck elves.
>>121512734
Actually, if I live, fuck elves anyway.
How do these act in indie provinces? Will they shoot me? Will they fly and attack rear?
>>121512909
If u die can I have ur cap?
>>121513841
Only if you are in no way responsible for said death.
>>121514129
Looks like I'm getting a new cap sometime in the grimdark future of the late ages.
>>121510202
Lobsters and shark clan are both pretty shit to deal with.
Anyone up for a Catacylsm mod game send in your pretenders here.
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Crapaclysm
If we dont get a lot of people, I'll just change the map to something smaller.
Anyone up for a clusterfuck, send in your pretenders here.
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=LotusClusterfuck
>>121518683
is it the version where every other site gives 2 gems?
the point of the mod should be making use of gold recruit troop but at turn 20 you have 100 gems of every type, while your cap mage has full diversity random, and you can just drown your neighbour in standard summons. and probably everyone will be summoning the same set of efficient low level summons.
>>121518683
I have no idea what I'm doing.
>>121506629
Can't be that bad if you're coming after my molten phallous already
>>121493916
REMINDER
Wanna play late-game Mictlan? Cum join the fun.
