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This past EVO made one thing clear, Smash has no place here. This is a fighting game event. Mechanics that games like Street Fighter and Virtua Fighter gave birth to are the pillars of the event. It should be a celebration to fighting games. Instead it's the organizers selling out to the highest bidder no matter relevancy. Smash shouldn't take almost half the running time of the main stage when it's one fucking series that is barely a fighting game.
Where are the games like Virtua Fighter, Third Strike, KoF, Blazblue, DoA5 and Soul Calibur? Why are these games being pushed aside for what is something that is really just a party game for kids and manchildren?
>b-but Melee brings in big crowds
Do you know what else brings in big crowds? MOBAs and FPS. Does that mean that EVO should know host Overwatch and DOTA next? No, that doesn't. So shut the fuck up with this argument. At this rate, EVO Japan is looking to be everything that EVO USA is failing at.
MrWizard is a fat sellout fuck. Expect Overwatch next year as the only fighting game that will remain will be SF.
>Melee got 219k viewers and SFV got less than 200k
No... this can't be happening bros... SFV was meant to be THE best fighting game of all time and the whole of top 8 was boring Nash mirror matches... it was fucking tedious bros.. even memelee was way more hype with the reset in grand finals.
What the fuck do we do now SFV bros? How do we recover from this?
This year's evo was shit. You can't prove me wrong.
>>345467426
>mad Smashbabby who will never watch his game on national television
>>345467426
SFV had a total of 260k not counting the 500k+ on national TV, you smelly autist.
>>345467561
I really enjoyed GG top 8, better than last year for sure. Other games were kind of boring
>>345467426
>implying SF5 isn't a half baked game with nickel and diming out the ass
>>345467734
>Capcucks and sonyggers mad
Delicious tears
>>345467816
Accidently quoted yourself, Smash autist. Maybe the smell of shit coming from you is obstructing your senses.
>>345465530
I do like smash, but I wouldn't mind getting rid of both melee and sm4sh to bring back KoF and Blazblue.
Smash still has Apex, Genesis, and other events to go to.
This years Evo has shown me that capcom are the biggest Jews to ever live.
and that KOF 14 and Tekken 7 look fucking great.
melee final was surprisingly enjoyable considering i don't like the game much.
>EVO Japan
>everyone plays actual games
>no tranny degenerates and BLM dindus
>no forced costume selection because nips aren't sensitive little bitches
>no shitty party games because nips actually bothered to learn Virtua Fighter
>only pure fighting games
Bring it on baby
>>345468063
>no tranny degenerates and BLM dindus
Kayo will be there.
>>345468063
EVO Japan already confirmed smash, only smash 4 though no melee.
At least you will never be as destroyed as this guy was.
www.twitter.com/aprescott11
>>345468237
source?
>>345468237
GAY
>>345465530
>being this fucking upset and possessive over "e-sports"
time to seriously consider suicide, friendo
>>345468410
>i'm sweating in anger
>>345468410
More
Evo gained nearly 85k viewers from melee and then lost 40k when melee ended. Melee needs to be the main event desu.
>>345468620
How did melee do on espn?
>>345465530
Tourneyfaggotry is a mistake.
No matter if it's about fighting games, MOBAs or shooting games. Tourney bring the worst from every videogame fan. Endless shitposting, shitfliging, console wars, absolutely embarassing arguments about the "superiority" of a series over another (or even of a game over another in the same series). And let's not get started to talk about the praise some literally who idiots get just for playing a videogame in frint of an even dumber crowd. Nobodies that pretend to be some kind of high caliber celebrity. And YOU faggots eat their shit and suck their dicks.
It's horrible. Competitive gaming is a big mistake. Purge it away before it's too late.
>>345467930
I'm gonna be real with you. I feel similarly. I personally very much enjoy smash, but it feels slightly out of place at Evo especially with other more deserving fighters like KoF being pushed to the side for it.
>>345468620
mr wizard said he was so impressed with melee he was considering it
also smash 4 is getting dropped next year because of zero being a whinging autist
>>345468620
so you're saying 85k tuned in for melee and the other 120k were just waiting for it to end and just left twitch open? interesting
>>345468695
SF has had tournaments for several decades just fine. Competitive gaming is fine so long as its done by the fans for the fans. And not for massive normalfag audiences.
>>345468784
It's McRib's fault for being a jew.
>>345467689
>ESPN2
>international television
Let me just order that sports package to watch my 3 hour vidya snore fest on the liquid crystal jew
>>345468410
Someone post the collage
>>345465530
DON'T GIVE A FUCK. BOB IS COMING TO TEKKEN 7 MEANWHILE CAPCOM ANNOUNCES 25 AMERIBUX DLC WITH JUST A STAGE AND 4 COSTUMES
>>345468201
but Kayo is pure and Cummy is her waifu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNLBZWP87lg
>>345465530
Evo is whatever Mr. Wizard wants it to be. Start your own locals if you have a certain ideology in mind. I've done it, it's not hard. In a couple years you can host weeklies with 100+ entrants.
>>345467734
Don't forget that 200k of viewers watching during melee top 8 were just waiting for SFV to start
>>345468681
It didn't
>>345468795
>source: my ass
Also I don't see Sm4sh being dropped as long as Nintendo is sticking with their minimal and largely symbolic efforts at supporting their games
>>345468681
>watching television
>>345468620
So in other words, 40k people actually tuned in and out for melee while the others were literally just waiting for SFV to start.
Good to know that melee's numbers are constantly misconstrued and when it is proven otherwise, ala >>345467862
smashbabbys simply plug their ears and scream until nobody cares to put up with them anymore and drops the conversation.
>>345469039
Is there more?
>>345469124
yeah that's why genesis 3 (a smash only tourney) got 110k by iself
stay mad capcuck
>>345465530
>Instead it's the organizers selling out to the highest bidder no matter relevancy.
Are you going to pretend like Street Fighter was never apart of the bidding war?
>>345465530
People tend to not think it's a fighting game because it was not intended to be taken to a competitive level.
It's like saying just because the writer of a movie didn't intend it to be a comedy, then it CAN'T be a comedy. It's a false sense of logic.
Smash is simply what you perceive it to be. In my perception, it is both a party game for casuals and friends, while also having the ability to be a competitive fighting game. Some may have high standards for this of course, which can switch their perception.
>>345468681
>pretending people care about espn2
>can't even top melee on twitch with finale timeslot
>21% viewer drop from Evo 2015
Your game is dying, friend.
No one watches TV and the number of viewers on Twitch went down after Melee ended.
>>345468795
One person isn't going to cause the removal of a game.
>>345469728
My problem with Melee is the community. It's horribly whiny and utterly pathetic, and I lost all hype when it was Armada and Hungrybox yet again with Armada being sad crybaby when autismo supreme HB won
I'm fine with the furry community getting their party game on stage but if they get to call it competitive I get to call Mario Kart competitive.
>>345469762
>Game's life is based on viewers rather than number of people playing
Esports was a mistake
>>345470013
Armada is way more of an autist than Hbox.
Hbox is a redditor normie supreme, has a hot gf, close friends, a good job, and generally people outside of the melee community like him. Ironically he is disliked much more within the Melee-sphere itself.
>>345467426
I was disappointed in Nash Mirrors out the wazoo too, but god damn they were fucking good.
L.I. Joe put on the best fights of the entire weekend out of all the games. Infiltration was stick, and Fuudo was super exciting to watch as Mika. I watched nearly the entirety of EVO and was most hyped during SF5 top 8 with Joe.
Besides, Infiltration is taking up Juri soon anyway I think so one less Nash.
>>345470079
>furry community
I dont get it, MK has been on EVO for years now.
>>345470181
I like playing smash, but damn is its community fucking stupid. HBox is better off.
I also agree that Smash should just make its own event, but the smash community seems to be so desperate for attention they wouldn't be satisfied with their own major smash event without it being at Evo.
>tfw work full time
>tfw I will never be good at fighting games
it's a strange and suffering feeling.
>>345470203
The Netherrealm scene has got to step their fucking game up. I'd be fucking embarrassed the best player in my scene is a unabashed open furry like Sonicfox. Same with Pokken
>>345465530
>not getting 5min hand warmies from mummi every set
pfft, are you even a smash god?
Really tho no other fucking game in the entire event gets away having its 15 year old version on main stage
>>345470013
>thread is OP crying and whining about Melee
>"Melee is always the same", even though top 8 had 8 characters, Hbox won his first Evo, last two majors were won by Mango and Leffen
>Sleep fighter had 2 characters in top 8 and Infiltration won it like always
Well memed.
>>345470390
Smash already has its own majors which are even better handled than EVO.
Its still at EVO because lol money mr.wizard loves that money
post more chun mod
>>345470390
I'm astonished that Melee is more focused on barging into other events when having their own big-event with just Melee would both be faster and honestly more hype. They pull enough entrants now that it's easily possible
>>345470390
Not true at all, plus Meleefags generally understand that EVO is it's own spectacle and are just grateful to be part of it.
If Melee left EVO, yes it would be bad from a publicity standpoint, but the vast majority of players wouldn't mind as there are plenty of grassroots majors (and supermajors, e.g. Big House, Genesis, etc).
>>345465530
SFV was pretty meh, the best tjing this year was T7, KoFXIV, GG, and Melee
>>345470452
Pokken's EVO 2016 grand champ was damn good though.
>>345470504
>implying I said melee was always the same
>implying I have to like HungryBox just because he won his first Evo
>implying the consensus was SF stopped its hype after LI Joe got eliminated
Thanks bud
As much as I love fightan games, I'm nowhere near a high-level player in any of them. Smash was the reason I went to EVO this year, playing SF was just an added bonus.
>>345470452
They can't do shit. SonicFox will continue winning in Injustass 2.
Yet smash has been at EVO for in some capacity for over 8 years or so on and off.
Really you whiny faggots on /v/ need to shut the fuck up unless you're at the event, which I'm sure if you were you'd probably enjoy anything going on.
>>345470657
>Melee is more focused on barging into other events
No offense, but this is just a retarded thing to say. Mr. Wizard is the one that hosts the biggest fighting game tourney in the world. He invited Smash, he made the donation drive originally. How the fuck do you not take the opportunity to get into the biggest fighting game even there is?
Like holy shit, you can rag on their behavior sometimes, but if Wizard takes their money than you only have one person to be sour at.
>>345470452
Netherrealm has reached a point where they can't foster their communities consistently anymore. MKX has been out for what? Two years? Now it won't be there next year in favor of Injustice 2, plus Mortal Kombat is no longer the juggernaut it was in the late 90's.
Some games like Marvel have died down a fair amount over the years, where as MK has just been dead for a while
>>345470501
Maybe it has something to do with it consistently getting 2nd place in terms of views since 2013.
If SSF2T got over 200k every year it was featured, you'd best believe it'd be on the main stage too.
>>345470682
He's also a sperglord who openly admits on Twitter he wanted to promote Braixen so she can get more hentai.
Shit like this is why people think gamers are total fucking creeps
>>345471225
Do you know where you are?
Has sales increased because of the normalfag ESPN sports broadcast?
>>345471336
sales will increase when the game becomes as good as USF4 (it's still good, but not quite there yet).
>tfw Nintendo had their chance to be absolutely based by blocking Melee back in 2013
>>345470976
Melee was there once in 2007, then wasn't there again until 2013 and it's been there since. I wouldn't call that "8 years on and off" unless by some capacity you mean the BYOC area where there are a ton of games
Defend this.
>>345471336
Hard to tell, since it's not even been a full day since EVO.SFV does appear on the top sellers list on steam right now (6th place).
>>345465530
>This past EVO made one thing clear
How so?
>>345470185
Yeah the "Nash out the ass" syndrome was really bad, but that's because of the limited roster. Hopefully by next EVO it'll be a lot more diverse since I expect season 2 to be partly released by then too. I only caught bits and pieces of the preliminaries but I enjoyed seeing a few Ibukis in there instead of constant Chuns and Cammys..
>>345471497
Did they fix 8 frames yet?
>>345471681
Western fighting games are almost as bad as Smash
Reminder that SF5 got on TV because it got over 5k entrants, and because Sony and Capcom actively pushed and paid for it.
If Nintendo were to to do something like then you can bet your ass they would go with Sm4sh instead of Melee
>>345470553
Ever smash Tourney I've ever seen has been a clusterfuck. I doubt its ran better than Evo, not that I'm claiming Evo did a good job with smash, considering how large the event was overall, I'd say it went pretty well.
>>345471498
>tfw Meleefags raised so much hell that Nintendo changed their mind and let it happen anyways
This is the difference between being an alpha and being a cuck.
Grassroots for life.
>>345471820
>and because Sony and Capcom actively pushed and paid for it.
evo did
>>345471872
So what you're saying is that Nintendo is run by cucks
>>345471820
When Nintendo gets the hype surrounding Melee then they'd be stupid not to go to ESPN
>>345471681
He tried.
>>345471835
Genesis was ran fantastically, and that had 2000 people. Also Big House is always run great - Juggle Rob is a godly TO. There have definitley been bad Smash tourneys tho, from Apex, to HTC Throwdown, to anything hosted by MVG, etc.
>>345471681
I can't.
That filthy muzzie playing Kotal Kahn should have sacked up and whooped his ass.
>>345471965
>Nintendo
>supporting Melee
Pick one. Seriously, Nintendo is always going to push Sm4sh over Melee because its a game that's currently on store shelves on a console still available at retail.
Ask any Melee player and they'll tell you Nintendo has never been super supportive.
>>345471681
Seriously fuck this guy. He's such a disgrace. I hope in 20 years when he's an old man he looks back and realizes how big a faggot he looked.
>>345471951
I'm saying that meleefags were alpha enough to tell Nintendo to go fuck themselves after being ignored for most of the decade.
Name one other community that was able to pull off something like that.
>>345471965
>Melee
Melee s fucking dead and dust. I'm happy for HBox but fucking kill this game already and move on.
>the salty tears from butthurt nerds online when they see self-actualized adults criticizing the presence of video games (a toy for CHILDREN) on ESPN2
Soooo much nerd persecution complex desu senpai
>>345472065
Tekken Master at least made Sonic sweat a lot, to the point his furry shit got in the way of him playing the damn game.
>>345470123
The only reason Melee is still alive in any form is because of esports.
Why can't smash and Meelee just fuck off to their own venue? They clearly don't play any other fighting games (only staying around till meelee showed up) and are all obnoxious. Evo should be a celebration of actual fighting games not some kid shit that was never meant to be competitive
>>345472417
Can you really call it esports when they've kept their scene alive purely on their own.
Nintendo didn't even acknowledge them save for almost shutting down their entry into EVO 2013.
sf5 was boring as shit, melee was hype as shit
melees the shit, you just can't do it
oh noes
>>345472440
Apparently Apex is the "EVO" of smash. I don't understand why they need both games. Are smashfags seriously this upset about sm4sh?
>>345467930
As a Smash player, I honestly wouldn't mind if we just dropped out of the big FGC tourneys and Genesis/Big House became the Smash equivalent of Evo/CEO respectively.
>>345472289
>turn on sports channel
>almost always poker
Who the fuck watches this nonsport?
>>345472616
Melee is there because it still commands high entrant numbers, Sm4sh is also there because it commands roughly similar entrant turnout but also because Nintendo provides some support,
>>345468620
After seeing EVO turn into Esports/ESPN Vaginas Offended, hell, Melee can have EVO. It fits the disney babby censorship business model they're going for since Melee doesn't have anything to censor unless you can't handle granniepanties.
>>345472670
Genesis and Big House are definitely already the biggest supermajors (I mean outside of EVO).
We would need another one to replace it, there's no other summer major that comes close at the moment.
>>345472535
>he didn't get hype for runaway Mika
That first set was awesome, I wish Fuudo won the whole thing.
SFV fan but was fucking hype for melee and fell asleep at SFV top 8. Shieet.
>>345472670
I have nothing against the other games at Evo, I just hate having to wait until their over in order to watch. I feel like Smash having its own event would be easier to run and also less time consuming
>>345472616
>Apparently Apex is the "EVO" of smash.
And even then some Smash fags boycotted it.
>>345472616
I don't know why meleefags are upset. They got Project M. A game which blends all the tech of Melee with the character variety and stages of Brawl.
Of course, meleefags only love melee and think it superior to all games, past and future.
>>345472782
Yes but why are some Meleefags not migrating over to sm4sh? I understand brawl, but what's wrong with sm4sh
>>345472908
SF pools were more fun to watch than the finals. Everyone knew Infiltration had this on lock (hell in 2014 he was a god damn monster)
LI Joe was the best part by far
>>345472440
>tfw play smash and traditional fightan
I can't be the only one, r-right guys?
>Poker isn't a TCG but it's a card game.
>a rhombus isn't a rectangle but it's a quadrilateral
>Smash isn't an FGC but it's a fighting game.
Can we agree on this?
>>345472960
From what I hear, official tournaments won't hold Project M because Melee gets high numbers and Nintendo won't support any event that hosts Project M.
>>345473042
Melee players claim the meta isn't as deep, it's a casual dumbed down game, and because wave-dashing isn't in it there's no consistent high-speed movement technique.
>>345471835
>Ever smash Tourney I've ever seen has been a clusterfuck.
Most smash majors are run really, really well.
Genesis and GOML specifically were really good. Only Apex 2015 was a huge mess.
>>345472167
Yeah Nintendo has actually been a negative for the competitive community until very recently. and even then, if Nintendo is sponsoring a tourney that basically only means that they're going to play star fox ads and tweet out when GFs start for sm4sh (usually not even Melee). There's no pot bonuses or anything that benefits anyone other than NIntendo. I think the most they ever do is provide some setups, and the rest is strictly for their benefit
>>345472960
A lot of top melee players played PM but it died because everyone was afraid of nintendo suing, twitch wouldn't support the game, no big channels would stream it, TOs scared of having it at their tournaments. If Smash 4 played like PM melee would be as dead as 64 is.
>>345472616
Apex is a dead tourney now.
The main reason Smash is at the FGC's summer super majors is because we have no supermajors of our own around this time of the year. Without your tourneys there would be a bigass gap of nothing between Genesis in January and Big House in October.
Got bored of SFV during the finals. Don't care for Jap only top8 and ugly characters. Once Chun-Li was done, so was I.
>2015: B-BUT THE VIEWERSHIP DROPPED FOR MARVEL BECAUSE MELEE WAS BORING
>2016: B-BUT THE VIEWERSHIP SPIKED FOR MELEE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE WAITING FOR STREET FIGHTER
You better get used to Melee, it's not going anywhere any time soon. Melee will probably never be on ESPN, but it replaced Marvel as the second most important game at EVO; the key difference being, it gains entrants and viewers year-over-year rather than losing them.
>>345473610
But a Korean won it
>>345473634
except at KOF
>>345472616
It was but things happened and it's not as big anymore.
Smash still has Genesis, Big House, GOML and plenty of smaller yet major tournaments like 2GG, Dreamhack, and BEAST and even more weeklies and locals like Xanadu and MVG League plus it's at another FGC event in CEO
It's totally fine being its own thing from EVO, it's EVO that needs smash. Both Melee and S4 combined has 5000+ players and that's not counting the fans present as well. Only Street Fighter had those numbers the others games were below 1,000 other than Pokken. That's a lot of money gone if Smash isn't at EVO
MELEE MELEE MELEE
>>345468842
>waiting when it ended 45 minutes later
>and it was going to be on TV
Literally nobody could've been waiting for SFV
>>345467689
why would I want to be on burger TV where I'm told what skins I can't wear because muh no sex
>>345473468
Nintendo did tweet when Hbox won Melee, and offered a pot bonus for Pokken. Other than that they didn't do much for Evo
>>345473501
>64
>Dead
A smaller niche community yet active isn't dead you doc kiddie.
Brawl is dead not 64
>>345473501
Didn't the people who made it get a C&D?
>>345473930
Pretty sure it was Namco-Bandai giving the pot bonus for Pokken.
>>345473720
Marvel died down a ton over the past two years, pretty sure Melee got higher entrants than it last year too.
Marvel could still be more active if Disney wasn't retarded
>>345472184
im sure he will be crying in his mountains of fighting game money
>>345474020
afaik they never actually got a C&D, they just pussied out because some lawyer spooked them
>>345473720
Fgcucks btgo
What game will be dropped to make room for KOF XIV next year? You can't not have a new KOF on the mainstage.
>>345473759
EVO doesnt need smash. It existed before smash and it will exist without it.
How did the Completionist actually do in his matches?
>>345474354
Tr4sh. Keep melee
>>345474003
so dead it got dropped from xanadu because they couldn't even get 5 entrants
>>345474354
Pokken or Killer Instinct. The former being far more likely than the latter
>>345474174
What did he win? Whatever it is I'm sure it's a lot less than he would've made if he had a real job.
>>345474529
Pokken will get dropped when Nintendo stop paying for it to be there.
>>345474354
Pokken
>requires TWO Wii Us to play properly
>slow as all fuck
>not even that great at a competitive level
It's a fun casual game, but it has no place at EVO and won't be unless some serious palm wetting happens.
>>345474540
> Whatever it is I'm sure it's a lot less than he would've made if he had a real job.
Kek no, Netherrealm puts like 50k pot bonuses into evo
>>345474354
Probably Marvel or Pokken. Smashfags won't stop melee, and Smash4 is recent.
>>345473042
Smash 4 is actually most similar to brawl unfortunately, so while it's great for the fanbase of brawl and the competitive scene which brawl had, it does nothing for the Melee community.
It has none of the movement options, combo game, jump momentum, or edgeguarding mechanics, that made melee what it is. Hell, it nerfed grabs to irrelevance and made DI (a central part of defensive and offensive play which allowed for greater interaction between players) practically useless.
You can't even dashdance (run back and forth during your initial dash) in smash 4 like you could in 64 and melee.
Basically, to a player who loves the control melee gives a player, smash 4 feels almost as restrictive as brawl.
>>345473293
Why do I get the impression that at least half the appeal of wavedashing is how hard it is to execute consistently? I feel like if 5mash ends up having a movement mechanic functionally identical to wavedash but not half as difficult to execute (because it's not just a serendipitous bug), meleefags will have none of it.
>>345474741
It isn't hard to execute at all though. It's by far the most basic tech in competitive play.
>>345474681
And if he went to college and got a job he could be making 80k easily.
>>345474540
he got 34k this year. 36k last year.
And MK wasn't the only game he even won.
According to esportsearnings.com he's made over 180k this year alone.
>>345474367
It's wont make as much without it nor will it grow bigger faster without it
Street Fighter and Guilty Gear are the only games that had good player numbers, Pokken was paid for and won't be back next year lets not kid ourselves.
You remove Melee,S4 and Pokken and your down 6000+ players and their fans. That's $60,000 in entry fees alone, not counting merchandise and other sources of income. It's will survive without smash but it won't get bigger faster without it and it would be stupid of Wizard to limit the growth of EVO because a few FGC autismos sperg out over smash
>>345470185
>Grand Finals
>the first few rounds were UMvC3 style touch of death scenarios
I still can't believe Infiltration got three fucking perfects.
>>345468620
melee will do better numbers in the prime time slot it has now rather than main event
>>345474690
>>345473293
So basically, muh ADHD movement.
>>345474868
This is paying for his college. He's made over 300k in his career.
>>345474741
>meleefags
Meleefags aren't moving from melee. Period.
>>345465530
Those games were in the side tournament. Look up Animeevo that is if you're serious and not just shitposting and pretending to complain and this reality gets in the way of that otherwise carry on being an angry fuck
>>345465530
>Where are the games like Virtua Fighter, Third Strike, KoF, Blazblue, DoA5 and Soul Calibur
Graveyard
>>345468501
Honestly their aren't many top melee players in Japan. I can only think of Amsa and Rudolph. I think most Japanese players have moved on to sm4sh as much as I dislike it. It makes sense not to include melee.
>>345474514
>A weekly in the most free region in the country
How about something important? Because it's at plenty of majors and regionals. Like I said small and niche yet active. Literally no one plays Brawl and it's can't even get 60 players at internationals like Genesis that 64 gets 200+
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>>345465530
>This past EVO made one thing clear, Smash has no place here
How did this event prove that in any way whatsoever?
>>345474964
>>345474868
Not to mention he's sponsored. So he get's travel and shit covered.
>>345475038
>Blazblue CF soon
Will EVO support it?
>>345474960
Partly, but the punish game of smash 4 alone is lacking enough compared to melee to really put off any melee fans from playing it. Playing nearly an entire game in neutral isn't all that fun.
>>345467930
>Apex
Is on its dying legs.
>>345472065
It really pisses me off Alien is an automatic I Win card and NRS doesn't give a shit
>>345474881
You forget that newer fighting games also come out and others increase in numbers each year
It wouldn't just be remove smash, it would be putting another game in there and the gain from that plus general growth means it does keep growing.
>>345475126
a weekly in an active region of the country
couldn't even get 5 entrants
think about that
>>345474741
Wavedashing is not fucking hard, you literally press 2 buttons and tilt the stick.
L-canceling is not hard either
The hard shit is being able to do combos, but once you get there you can be creative and that's what pushes people to keep playing. If someone comes out with a better/easier way to have the same freedom of movement and rewarding, momentum based gameplay then people would move on.
how come there's no good porn of julia?
>mango got pounded like a bitch again
>>345475249
There is not a SINGLE fighting game more popular than Melee and Smash 4 other than Street Fighter otherwise it would had been at EVO. The new fighters only got 1,000 players. Both smash games had 2500~ between both of them. There is NOTHING you can replace Smash with and it be more popular than Smash
>>345475262
No one is good in MVDA aside a few players, they aren't playing 64 because they can't even play their own games. Again if it's getting 200+ people at Genesis then it isn't dead you retard.
>>345475532
>SINGLE
good thing I said games added and others growing.
Next year will have KoF, Injustice 2 and Tekken at least added never mind if lol fighter appears from the corpse of rising thunder which would be stupidly huge. Smash is replaceable
>>345471760
Well when the game was supposed to have more characters by now it's no shocker. All these crazy team ups and sell outs Japanese companies keep doing with the Sony machine just seem to keep working out to weaker rather than better results all around. Makes me a little concerned for Persona 5 and FFXV to be honest.
Shit thread, post EVO 2017 predictions
>SFV
>KoFXIV
>GGXrdR
>BBCF
>SSBM
>Injustice 2
>T7FR
>KI
>UMvC3
I used to think Sm4sh would appear next year as well, but top players there seem like they're not going to attend it next year so I wouldn't put my money on it returning.
>>345469039
>one guy has ASSFAGGOTS hyper slut spider bitch as twitter picture
>complains about video games on tv
It's like pottery
>>345473720
>
not counting the 30k people watching the topanga stream lol
>>345467426
Well, you have to count in ESPN viewership as well, but non-sports never does super well on ESPN iirc, so you'd probably only add an extra 50-60k to the viewer count. So SFV would be somewhere around 230k
>>345475793
It's time for Mahvel to die.
>>345475764
>KoF
Will replace the weakest link, Pokken
>Injustice
will replace NRS's MKX
>Tekken
It's already there. They'll just swap out the arcade version with the PS4 version.
>>345467734
>500k on national TV
You're really hopeful. I doubt it was even 100k
>>345475793
I'm ready for more Tekken. I had a lot of fun watching the Top 8.
>>345475249
Injustice 2 and KoF14 are the two new games coming out. KoF14 will probably be the more popular of the two, but KoF as a franchise lost a lot of ground to SF over the years and Netherrealm games are only there now because they pay for it.
Expect Marvel to continue to decline over this next year due to Capcom being unable to patch or update the game thanks to Disney
>>345475793
>Injustice 2
>KI
>MvC3
>Melee
man next year evo is gonna be as bad as this years i guess.
didn't know they were making a new blazblue.
blazblue AND Guilty Gear seems weird to me.
KOF14 and Tekken7 is gonna be awesome though.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Iateyourp1e/status/754906426078887936
Really makes you think
>>345476125
I hope Marvel dies so that it can make place for something else, but the fact that it still brings in high entrants combined with there being not really anything else to take its place makes me think it won't.
That, and Wizard loving Marvel more than he loves himself.
>>345476285
CentralFiction is coming out in October 6th in Japan, and sometime in Winter 2016 in US/EU. Considering they had both Persona and BB before, I wouldn't say it's too farfetched.
>>345475764
Congrats! You added three games that still don't even come close in entrants combined than Melee or S4 alone!
Just come to terms that without Smash EVO isn't anywhere as near popular already
>>345465530
melee and smash 4 are literally the most interesting thing about these shitty fgc tournaments
>but it's not a real fighting game
as long as it's relevant no one will care so you can stop crying fgc babies
>>345475764
I don't even like competitive Smash, but c'mon now you're delusional.
Injustice will probably get more numbers than MKX did this year, but those still aren't a lot.
Tekken 7 was there this year, in case you're a moron and forgot
KoF will be there for sure, but it's not going to be net 2000 entrants
>>345476171
The first two games gets people in they stay. Being not locked to two places in the world will cause tekken to shoot up
>>345476125
No please
Think of Woolie
>>345476349
>except the 60k watching the Japanese SFV stream and 500k watching it on TV
Other than that, we won, my smelly autist manchildren
>>345476285
Blazblue won't be back because GG is a better game. It's like having brawl and melee.
>>345476171
Why would they replace two games getting close to 1,000?
>>345475764
>KoF, Injustice 2 and Tekken
Maybe, just maybe, they'll get 1000 entrants combined. Great replacement for Smash.
>>345476609
Did Blazblue add tripping and cause the game to be way slower by removing movement options? Serious question.
>>345476609
A shame since UNIST is better than both of those games.
HUNGRY BOOOOOOOOOOOOOX
>>345476171
>>345476628
Pokken was actually the only game other than SF and Smash to break the quad digits
MK had around 700 entrants, while GG had 900 and Tekken had 550.
>>345473759
It's true we don't need EVO anymore but I don't think EVO needs melee either. They'll do fine without us. We did need EVO back in 2013, and for that I'm very thankful to the fgc. It's clear most of fgc doesn't like melee and unless it's just a vocal minority, I think it's fine if EVO doesn't have smash anymore.
The Guilty Gear Top 8 and Daisuke doing some reveals is what EVO should be about. That was such a good hour and a half.
>>345476816
so, close to 1,000. They ain't just going to throw them out even if they aren't main stage. Especially cause they don't whine like smash babies
>>345476816
>Tekken 7 had 550.
To be fair, the fucking game isn't even out yet. Why would anyone outside of Japan and Korea bother to play it against arcade monsters?
Next year should be much higher.
>>345476905
To add on, I think EVO should feature 1 event per tournament that aims to revive an old game. Like if EVO 2017 had a darkstalkers or virtual fighter tournament, maybe something crazy like soul calibur. Idk though I'm not an fgc guy.
>>345477003
Yeah, i'm astonished it was even there.
>>345477237
A few years ago they had a mini-tournament on stage for Third Strike: Online Edition
>>345476906
All GG related was so good.
>LI Joe was America's last hope in SFV top 8
>LI Joe was the most-interviewed player on ESPN
>LI Joe was the only player the crowd actively chanted for
>LI Joe received the most bits out of anyone else at EVO, even after his elimination
>twitch chat on the JP EVO stream even referred to Joe as "shujinko", despite 6/8ths of top 8 in SFV being Japanese
Where were you when Joe became a global hero?
>Last thread
>Twitch viewer count has Smash higher than SFV
>Smash babies think this means Smash is more popular than SFV even though SFV was being broadcasted by ESPN2
>Smash babies think people didn't switch over to ESPN2 for SFV
>Smash babies think "HURRRR DURRR MELEE GOT 220K ONLY ON ONE STREAM WHILE SFV NEEDS TO BE AIRED ON LIVE TV TO ACHIEVE SIMILAR RESULTS DURR HURRR MELEE WINS" as if SFV wouldn't get higher twitch viewer count had it not for ESPN2 or that Melee wouldn't have its twitch viewer count decrease rapidly if it was being aired live on national TV (would never happen, though)
Melee got BTFO once again.
>>345477382
>the only english speaking guy gets more media coverage
who would have thought
>>345476751
UNist isn't even on consoles, are you telling me you live in Japan and play at the arcades frequently enough to judge it as better?
I'm excited for EVO Japan on the prospect that it won't have a Smash game.
>normies shit on esports on ESPN not being a real sport
>fgccucks shit on melee not being a real fighting game
Like pottery
>>345477382
It's funny seeing racist Americans completely disregard the merits of top Asian players and obsess over a guy who floated through brackets and got a lucky win against Kazunoko.
I love seeing Americans get destroyed. They think they can compete with Asians but no matter how much they practice, they can't match even mediocre Asian players.
>>345476609
GG and BB play extremely differently now. What you say might've held true for CT, but CPE and CF are both nothing like GG. More combo-based gameplay, various wakeup options so the setplay isn't as heavy in that area, faster paced, and momentum shifts are extremely volatile rather than a focus on neutral.
>>345477003
Tekken TOP8 had 3rd smallest viewer count, right behind KI and Pokken. Bamco also promoted the shit out of this game in competitive circles.
Next year numbers won't change much, it might get around 700 entries if EVO grows, but that's it.
Also for all the talk bout arcade monsters US players placed hight than any JPN player this year.
>>345476905
EVO absolutely will be fine without Smash but Wizard wants money, views and sponsorship deals. Smash will bring that with just two games and more with those two games than all the others combined aside Street Fighter. It only makes sense as a business to bring Smash to evo and give you more spots for other games than trying to max your views out with a bunch of FGC games
>>345477702
Well, UNIEL is better than those two, so its safe the assume the same will apply to UNIST.
>>345477237
ST was kinda like that back in the days and even 2012's Tournament of Legends.
>Ibuki looks cool
>But wait, she's low tier and hard to learn
Th-thanks Capcom
>>345477965
Well that statement alone shows how little you know about the game. While the overall balance in UNIst is better, it also added Cross Cast which made higher damage combos available. In the arcades, many japanese players dropped it because of that, and while it didn't lower the overall count, it shifted in gameplay alot.
>>345477787
It'll have sm4sh at the very least.
>>345477965
How is it better? Like, they are all different games to begin with and I only see the reason to compare BB with GG but Under-Night? That's some autism
>>345477382
What does Shujinko mean?
EVO should just keep Nintendo games and SF5 at this point and become a full blown esports event like Mr. Wizard wished. Other communities should just boycott EVO and regroup elsewhere.
top 8 was great. nash definitely needs some form of nerf but saying sf5 top 8 was shit because of nash mirror matches obviously don't play the game or even bothered watching what was happening.
>>345478167
The game is still getting tweaked. Wait for that glorious console release.
>>345478478
Protagonist
>>345470452
SonicFox needs to move to the KOF scene
He will make KOF14 popular and bring new players into the fold.
is pokken still worth buying? hows the netcode? playerbase?
>>345478568
There has been literally no announcement of a console release, the 2nd new character was only added recently, and it just had a new balance patch. Also, there's nothing to "tweak" about Cross Cast, it's an entirely new mechanic that's functioning the way it was intended.
>>345478069
Capcoms approach to the DLC characters is definitely to keep them purposefully low tier.
Its very obvious they want to avoid any new character being OP as shit and upset tournaments so they nuke them down to maybe buff them later.
>>345477965
I've always wondered.
Why does everyone call it UNIEL when the game is Under Night In Birth anyway?
Shouldn't it be UNIB?
>>345478810
Under Night In-Birth was the first game.
Under Night In-Birth Exe:Late is the current version on console.
Under Night In-Birth Exe:Latest is the latest version on arcades.
>>345478660
And then job to nearly everybody he comes across?
I like this idea.
Melee got the second highest entrants. Why are people surprised?
>>345478673
The net code is flawless its magic how good it is while Smash 4 has some of the shittiest ever.
I stopped playing it because it's a projectile spam fest but it was fun for a little bit
>>345478712
>Wait
Read nigga, read!
>>345478883
Ah gotcha. Thanks.
Fucking stupid name though
>>345478893
Third. Smash 4 had like 100 more entrants or some shit.
>>345478893
>Melee got the second highest entrants
Third highest
>>345478893
Sm4sh actually got the second highest, with Melee a close third just missing out by 300 entrants
>>345478883
Inbirth is treated as one word
>>345479006
>300 entrants
>close
That's more than half the entrants of KI.
>Killer Instinct will never be on the main stage
>>345478893
It's not considering there is only 2 smash style games that anyone plays
>>345476285
>>345476609
Yeah man, it's not like EVO had 2 anime games before.
They never had GGXrd and Persona 4 Arena at EVO last year, nope.
>>345465530
Soul Calibur isn't at EVO anymore because the main people in the community were caught trying to game the prize money by throwing matches and betting. So they banned it.
This occurred with SC2 though, whether that means it happened many years ago or recent (perhaps sc2 is the best for comp play? idk i dont follow sc).
>>345465530
We have this thread every year and it is always the same.
Smash brings people, people bring money, money keeps evo alive and growing, ignore it and deal with it.
>>345479108
In-Birth has always had a hyphen, but was only treated as a single word once Exe:Late came came out. The game was referred to as UNIB before that.
>>345465530
Can someone list all the controversies and spaghetti moments? The only ones I have are the Noel Brown and Hyuga stories.
Man I hope KI doesn't get replaced
It's always a fun game to watch
>>345478915
oh alright thanks
>>345479315
>money keeps evo alive and growing,
The more it grows, the more cancerous it becomes. It's all stale and controlled now. No surprises. No humor. Just routine.
>>345479258
Soul Calibur 5 was there one year
>>345479425
Is there a meaning behind this name or did they just choose a bunch of english words they thought sounded cool?
>>345479590
/fgg/ got bodied by some actual nigger.
>>345479228
the persona name attracts a very different crowd to EVO.
>>345479756
"Under Night" refers to them fighting under a phenomenon called the Night, and "In-Birth" is what all of those fighters are referred to.
Now Exe:Late I have no idea what that means.
>>345479425
I always saw it as UNI
Hey guys EVO made me realize that fighting games on PC are a joke outside of SF and KI.
I want to buy a PS4 so I can keep up with the genre.
What's the best way to buy one? Should I get a sub-$300 used one on amazon or what?
>>345479756
I'm guessing they tried to make it in-birth since it would sound like "inverse" since there's no distinction between B and V in japanese, but it still doesn't make any actual sense.
Man, is Combo Breaker the only major grassroots FGC event left?
>>345465530
>Virtua Fighter, Third Strike, KoF, Blazblue, DoA5 and Soul Calibur?
Good games. Too bad FGC doesn't care about them.
>>345479691
Microsoft has done their best to support it, but the numbers were just never great
>>345481996
It's a small community but like the skullgirls community they support the shit out of their game and try to make it to as many tournies as they can. Also the Japan scene for the game is still growing.
>melee fags conveniently forget SFV had a Jap-stream that when combined with srkevo1 gave SF 220k~ at peak
>only argument against the espn stream is "people don't watch tv"
Retarded
>>345475839
Pretty sure he is being sarcastic, because he is also a speedrunner and used baka.
>>345482587
Welcome to the smash community. Where they molest people, throw shitfits when they have to play Bo3 because their game runs for fucking ever, shit in swimming pools, Throw hissyfits because they don't have handwarming stations, and demand to be floated through pools because they're top players. They are by far the most cancerous thing in the FGC and everyone wants them gone.
>>345469039
dickoak is a speedrunning who was baiting people but ye a lot of those were accurate.
>>345468063
>no tranny degenerates and BLM dindus
You are clearly not aware of how many black people live in Japan.
Hint: there's a lot.
>>345476285
>KI
>bad
Lol
>>345482587
The Melee stream was also inflated.
I was in it and I don't give a shit about Melee. Was just waiting for SF to start.
>>345483536
I think you missed the part where he specified "BLM dindus"
traps != trannies
black people != BLM dindus
We all know Japan has traps and black people.
>>345483834
>waiting for SF when Melee ended like 45 minutes before SF
>meaning you were watching the Melee stream a whole hour before SF started
Are you retarded or why the fuck did you do this?
>>345478167
>>345478712
I heard someone saying that XVO was being nerfed? I think upping the EXS required from 100 to 200 would help fix the issue a bit however.
>>345483740
not bad, but not that fun to watch.
>>345467426
No-one in Europe could watch SFV because it started airing at around 3:00-5:00am in the morning.
>>345471681
Not the only furry who one a EVO game.
>>345467426
Timezones explain that alone really.
SF5 is broadcasted at a time where almost no one in Europe can watch. No one's going to stay up from 4am and onward for SF5. For smash, granted it was late but at much more acceptable time.
Now feel free to spout all the typical "yurop" meme I'd expect from someone on /v/, but it won't change the fact that the broadcasting time for SF5 is just completely retarded.
The overall peak time on Twitch, EU+NA especially on a Sunday isn't 7pm Pacific...
>>345480096
Wait for the Neo
>>345481996
I think the only KI tourney that had a "bad" showing this year was CEO but it's done a good job staying relevant.
Why is Fat Fuck Wizard still the host of EVO?
>>345484474
Based.
hope he gets a doujin at least
I don't even care about Smash fans saying it should be in Evo, i don't argue about the whether or not the game is good because i don't even play it, but why do some of them insist on saying it's a fighting game when it's clearly not?
I mean, you like the game? Okay dude, that's cool, but you don't need to lie to yourself and call it something you and i know it's not.
Have any of you even looked at the special rules for Smash games in Evo? It's ridiculous what they have to rule out so the game can barely resemble a fighting game.
>>345484251
Thats fair enough, I know some people get tired of the sparks and effects.
>>345474868
>Going to college and spending all your fight money on that when a sponsor pays for your shit and you can body an entire community free for the rest of your life.
why would you do that?
>>345485384
yea, those particles make it look terrible on stream too.
>>345476906
Yeah, GG always delivers, but that Sin damage was fucking bullshit though, and no Venom, I need my Pool table set ups.
>>345477854
Unless its smash
>>345465530
>Where are the games like Virtua Fighter, Third Strike, KoF, Blazblue, DoA5 and Soul Calibur?
They're dead, and the FGC killed them. Don't kid yourself, you ignorant sperg. If Smash weren't at Evo you still wouldn't have BlazBlue and fucking DoA5 in its place. Virtua Fighter? That shit died YEARS before Smash returned. Who's fault is that, that the deepest 3D fighter by a country mile died in obscurity? Fuck you.
>>345484002
>that smirk from justin
>>345486919
He's seen this shit so many times
>>345471681
Words can't express how much better than some long-haired white kid in a Scandi metal band t-shirt, or Perfect Legend, this is. SonicFag is the hero Netherrealm fighters need.
>>345486412
This
The FGC should just do another one big grassroot major tournament without Wizard and Nintendo games. That fat fuck sold his event out moons ago.
>>345479258
>Soul Calibur isn't at EVO anymore because the main people in the community were caught trying to game the prize money by throwing matches and betting.
Bullshit, the game showed up as a side tourney last year. Also we had SCII this year, we were supposed to have SCV tourney until that fatal crash accident with one of the SC veterans killed.
>>345471681
He's cute
>>345487298
>a bunch of games nobody plays
>dont make even half your money back from renting a place and sets
>payout isnt worth for prominent foreign members to come compete
>>345481214
Combo Breaker hinting of going out mainstream too
>>345487421
That smirk. Even if SonicFox won the tournament, TekkenMaster obviously won the moral victory. The only thing better would have been if he took that stupid tail off, too.
>>345484002
Wait, what is actually happening here? Is this from this year? didn't have time to watch live sadly because Eurofag.
>>345487674
black guy got up ons tage after Chris G won and said he had to play him or else he couldnt leave the stage, then he got escorted out
They fucking escorted out the true Marvel final boss
>>345487556
Well shit. Smashfags really are holding the FGC by the balls.
All hope is dead.
>>345487556
>Combo Breaker already has both Smash games there
>>345476816
The problem is, if very likely wont have 1/10 of that come next year.
>>345487515
So, how did they do in the past then?
>>345487674
It was from just a little under 24 hours ago. ChrisG won, then some dindu ran up the stage to confront him and no one knew what it was about. Apparently he ran up to Chris IN THE MIDDLE OF A LIVE EVENT to ask for a money match not even 10 seconds after the win. Chris hasn't even received his trophy yet and we already got some BLM action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q3LV04MAz8
>>345487956
They didn't do huge tournaments thats for sure.
>>345487858
other way around, Smash money is too good to not dip into
>>345487956
People played those games for starters
>>345487956
Tiny prize pools, no streams, no chance of fame, and maybe a big Japanese player once a year.
>>345487956
They didn't. FGC was shit until smash came in and saved them
>>345488085
Ebin
>Virtua Fighter
Dead
>Third Strike
Capcom didn't even want IV to be one of the main games.
>KoF
Newest one coming out was showcased at Evo all weekend
>Blazblue
Replaced by Xrd
>DoA5
lol and dead
>Soul Calibur
Dead
>>345465530
Evo did gost a mario kart tourney once if i am recalling correctly.
>>345488085
>smash shillfag
wew lad
![[Vawn] Genshiken - 05 [BD.720p] [8858FC0F].mkv_snapshot_16.23_[2015.12.07_19.35.40].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MsbqU91.jpg "[Vawn] Genshiken - 05 [BD.720p] [8858FC0F].mkv snapshot 16.23 [2015.12.07 19.35.40]")
How the fuck did MKX manage to have the hypest Grand Finals?
>>345488438
it was hype until sonic fox had to pull out the alien then everyone knew it was LOL CENA FOX WINS
>>345488438
The Furry god of MK was on the verge of getting blown out by some random Muslim before he hit the panic button and sunk to using acid ayy.
>>345487814
>>345487996
Oh wow, FGC is serious business. Really wish we had something similar in Europe.
At least here in Swedistan, all we get is small tournies at animu cons, but the only guy hosting Tekken tournaments is autistic about Tekken 6,
and entering the Tekken 7 ones Bamco holds is pointless unless your main character has gotten in since it's just a bunch of King and Jin/kazuya players destroying everybody.
>>345487996
The dude name is Lucio right that's what I heard from twitter
>>345488438
Everything was shit.
>Bahrain brah trips at the finish line to a bullshit Alien pick
>Chris G spamming his way to a win in a game where all the real competition left
>GG was tierfag bullshit
>Melee who cares
>Tekken lol Saint wins
>Tr4sh/Pokken 10 hours of top 8
>SFV three Nash mirrors and a Chun mirror all in one top 8
Maybe some of the side shit was good but I haven't checked it out.
>>345488295
>Soul Calibur
>Dead
Bamco is working on a totally new entry related to the Soul franchise
>>345488940
I thought KI and Tekken finals were the best overall, I missed GG and I dont follow it too much so I cant say anything about it.
Pools for almost all games pretty much overshadowed the finals though.
>>345475249
You also forget that most fighting games only get around 1000 entrants at best.
Seriously, FGC is even less inclined to support a new game than the smash community.
Don't believe me, look at what happened to skull girls and injustice.
>>345484474
degenerate scum. he fits right in with the pokken crowd
>>345488940
UNIEL and BB had the best Side Event showings. Brkrdave had a hard Loser's Bracket run, along with an incredibly tight Grand Finals in UNIEL.
In BB, both Dora and Souji were taken out before Grand Finals, with the winner being Brice, a Candian Tager.
>>345489092
You can't just say these things with no source
>>345476349
all those salty fgcuck replies lol
>>345487515
Well surely with all those tinyass communities together, there is still something that can be done, right? I mean, not on Evo' scale for sure. Look at those side-tournaments, put them together and...
Nah, what am I saying? The FGC as a whole won't stop sucking Smash's dick. The whole shit has jumped the shark. Better hang myself.
Thank you, fucker.
>>345489253
No source, but the Soul franchise will return that's what I'm feeling right now.
>>345489369
The reason the evo side tournaments are still good is because itss till evo and vegas.
>>345489462
>no source
Ill end you!!!!
>>345477413
2nd most views isn't taking BTFOing anyone anon.
If anything, it's showing that melee is still rising through the ranks as the years go on.
It didn't win most views this year but next year, if sfv doesn't improve, it's a firm possibility.
>>345465530
Smash never had a place at EVO to begin with. They just cried until someone gave in. Now that EVO has moved into eSports territory, it has even less of a place.
>>345489793
SFV probably won't air on ESPN next year so I expect it to completely eclipse all the other games. At least we won't have to deal with Pokken since KoF is a thing again.
Was KOF XIV playable at EVO? I was there but I didn't see anything for it.
>>345490098
Yeah, it was on stream and even had a side-tourney saturday, plus Oda showed a new trailer on the main stage.
>>345489943
Smash will get into e-sports territory closer than you think.
>>345490098
It was playable and had one helluva tournament with Xaohai winning it in the end.
With all the fuckery that SFV had I'm shocked anyone still cares about it.
>>345490341
Why wouldnt they? Its the game everyone will be palying for another 6 or so years and by the end of those 6 years everyone will agree that its the best SF iteration thanks to its updates and then SF6 will release and we will go through the same song and dance as always
>>345490341
it's still street fighter dude.
as long as there is money on the line people will play it.
granted with that Pro tour shit pack they lost all the respect they tried to regain since the launch of SFV
Are the DLC characters playable in the Story Mode?
Or do you still need to buy them first to play their story?
>>345490730
They're playable but matches are only one round so you dont have much to test them with
>>345489357
Facts aren't salt.
>>345490512
>>345490576
I get that. I'm just saying that because of how awful Capcom was at releasing SFV I would think lots of people would have lost interest in it. I mean is the store even up yet?
>>345488940
KoF was pretty fun.
El Rosas had a very exciting Ramon.
Shame he lost to the Chinese Wall of Xiao Hai.
The KOF XIV preview tournament was super fun to watch. Mexico vs. China looked good.
>>345490579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mmXTP3zX3w
Check it out man.
Theres also a Demo on some PSNs(New Zeland for example) with 7 character. No netplay tho
>>345490892
games have bounced back from worse, just look atevolve
>>345490892
yea you just buy content via PS Store.
the thing is that they somewhat have a monopoly.
since MKX wasn't that good and is getting old ish.
and KOF not being that popular in general because of 3v3 or whatever reason.
Tekken and the other 3D stuff is not really competetion.
>>345491031
We need the US to represent KOF like Romance, SonicFox and Nerdjosh. The shit he pulled at CEO 2016 with the bird Mamahaha was priceless.
>>345491110
>No netplay tho
how can they fuck up this bad.
i mean demo is better than nothing.
but should have called it "Beta" with online play to show the new and improved netcode.
and if the netcode was still bad they could just say "it's a beta lol".
game looks awesome though and my dream team is pretty much in the demo.
>>345489793
>Views are all that matters
As someone who actually goes to tournaments i fucking hate what twitch has done.
>>345491895
This.
Hopefully EVO Japan line-up looks like this:
SFV
T7
KoFXIV
GGXrdR
BBCF
UNIEL[st]
DOA5LR
Garou: MoTW PS4
Arcana Heart 3 Love MAX Six Stars
>>345492094
replace Garou with Sm4sh and thats about accurate
Really? There is EVO japan? Or do you mean the long gone tougeki?
Surely Evo can still accomodate Nintendo games without them eating up time, right? Like a separate stream for top 8 like they did for pools and semis.
>>345492205
Ono and Harada just announced EVO Japan on EVO main stage yesterday. More details in Tokyo Game Show.
Most definitely to replace Tougeki. I'm sure it will be held on Tokyo Big Sight, where Comiket is usually held.
>>345489237Shounen
>>345492203
No.
>>345491895
On one hand it's a good way to get the word out about the scene and the games, but since Smash got picked up it's become a viewership dick sucking contest and since twitch has exploded it's also brought people who think they know what they're talking about.
you should be trying to get more people to enter tournaments than getting fat fucks on twitch. Doubly so for Melee players to at least tell Nintendo they fucked up and should eat shit for neglecting them.
>>345492203
Do Japanese even put Smash in their tourney lineups?
What are some good channels that teach you the basics of learning Stick?
I only know of VesperArcade
>>345489237
>Brice
What the fuck? That bald hipster-bearded shit sponsored by Jewcob's Fakku won the whole thing?
JACOB DOESN'T DESERVE ANYTHING. FAKKU MUST BURN.
>>345492640
sm4sh occasionally yes. There's a pretty large Japan scene for it.
>>345492814
This. Both about Brice and Fakku.
>>345492929
What about Melee?
>>345492454
Why did they close tougeki?
The idea of a japanese evo it sure sounds as an actual fighting game tourney
Getting rid of junk like mkx, smash, pokken...
>>345492643
the best answer I can give you is you need to go to a local scene you will find useful people who will actually help you and not be a total faggots about it
>>345493074
Melee is dead in Japan outside of a handful of players. It never really had a Japan scene to begin with.
>>345493074
Japan actually prefers Brawl to Melee.
Yeah, one of those cases.
Probably a troll account, but this guy was hilarious throughout it.
https://twitter.com/AndrzejTGolota
"Is this Chun-Li video game woman that is on ESPN 2 based on real woman????"
[Chun Li mirror starts] "WHAT IS THIS??? There are 2???"
"Why do they say Chun-Li has the worst defence when fighting against Chun-Li? Should she not have the best defense vs her own self? Idiot"
>>345493182
>meeting white kids
Nah
>>345493095
Tougeki went to shit in its last few iterations.
>>345468063
>forced costume selection
What?
>>345493506
EVO top 8 had costume restrictions because they didn't want to show the cringe fanservice shit on ESPN
>>345493391
Could you elaborate?
>>345468063
Virtua Fighter is dead. There's going to be atleast Kayo and Ricki there. Like half of the games are going to be anime games.
>>345493296
>It is surprise to me that @espn is being permitted to broadcast such violence from a man against a woman @HillaryClinton
>Bear next to ring is not realistic scenario
Based
>>345493672
Last one was done outside but players couldn't see shit. Also, a lot of players didn't attend it.
>>345493296
are there more pictures of those delicious boobies?
Length of every top 8:
Tekken 7: 2h:07m
Smash Wii U: 2h:30m
Pokken: 2h:55m
Killer Instinct: 2h:10m
MKX: 2h:30m
UMVC3: 2h:03m
Xrd Revelator: 2h:00m
Melee: 2h29m
SFV: 3h:02m
Yo, they did play a set after all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gng1SLg1vtA
>>345494774
>S4 and Melee a minute apart
B-b-but /v/ told me Smash 4 is slow!!!
>>345495775
To be fair, Melee's grand finals had a bracket reset, while Sm4sh's did not.
Even if it did though, it probably would've gone on maybe another 15-20 minutes.
>>345494997
Damn I expected this to be Chris G and the Hidden Final Boss
>>345494997
lol, wish I had skullzer in my bracket
>>345488940
>>Chris G spamming his way to a win in a game where all the real competition left
>spamming
lol
>>345489237
Anyone have the UNIEL top 8 vod? I've been looking for it but can't find it
>>345473042
They don't play very much alike, that's why. Gameplay wise they're more different than Guilty Gear and SFV.
The only game that comes close to playing like Melee is Rivals of Aether, which doesn't have a very big scene. There's no reason for Meleefags to move on, either. It's not like they risk losing much in the way of corporate support. It's almost all grass roots.
>>345465530
I still don't get the need to put 2 smash games.
>>345473293
I would argue dash dancing is more important than wavedashing, and that a good ledge metagame is more important yet. Smash 4's ledge mechanics are godawful. Decreasing ledge invincibility time over repeated grabs is a good idea, but the rest of it is garbage.
>>345474741
Wavedashing is probably one of the easiest techs to learn
If main stage was about money then smash 4 would have been on.
is this 3d chess or 4d chess from m2k?
>>345469067
>chromatic aberration
WHY.JPEG
>They don't play very much alike, that's why. Gameplay wise they're more different than Guilty Gear and SFV.
Are you saying that the difference between Melee and Smash 4 is bigger than between GG and SF? Because that's a bold statement.
>>345499729
>Brawl victories
Literally 0 people care
Tekken 7 is a newer game. Yet, its grand finals isnt on the main stage while melee is next to the main event.
>>345499950
It doesn't help that Tekken 7 hasn't actually released domestically yet. It's hard to get excited for a game you haven't played yet.
>>345500038
fair enough.
>>345498797
There isn't a need for it, but Nintendo puts funding into EVO so Nintendo gets more spots. Aside from Pokken Ninty doesn't really have any fighters so they double up on Smash.
>>345473042
Now that Pokemon GO is their priority, maybe they dont need to do that anymore.
>>345479756
Their previous game's final version was called Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code: Hologram Summer Again, Tri Hermes Black Landsand almost all of it means something
>>345492203
>Sm4sh
Hahaha, fuck you
>>345488940
UNIEL was great
>>345482587
Meleecucks are autistics, more news at 8
>>345499729
>M2K hasn't won anything relevant in years
Maybe if he stopped using fucking Shiek he'd win again
>>345490926
It wasn't really exciting, it was about as exciting as watching a Fuerte player
Some faggot who is clearly much worse than the other playing winning because his character is completely retarded and renders any conventional approach completely useless
>>345500298
>Nintendo doesn't have any fighters so they double down on Smash
>Nintendo gets more spots because funding
I mean Pokken is a thing, but that aside Nintendo doesn't double down on anything.
If you think Nintendo supports Melee, then you're dead wrong. All their shit went to Sm4sh.
>>345498405
logichole/v/78280182
Don't remember how far into it though
How the hell did Smash even get popular? Literally no one had a gamecube.
>>345499807
I realize the gravity of the statement. Movement between the two smash games is completely different, the dynamics of ledge play (corner game) are completely different, punish game is very different, the way neutral is played is very different. There's a reason no top Melee players are top Sm4sh players except m2k and wizzy (both known as top tier lab monsters).
>>345502649
Smash has always been super popular everyone who a GameCube had melee.
The documentary is what really pushed it however
>>345501838
You happen to have a link to the top 8 or what twitch channel it was on?
Google is failing me.
>>345502169
Kyo/K'/Iori mirror matches were way worse.
>>345502057
He would have beaten mango at EVO if he had gone shiek on dreamland
>>345502981
So all a community has to do to grow bigger is putting out a documentary?
>>345503851
yes just make sure you pick the worst narrator you can find
>>345503851
If you've got a good story to tell and nostalgia to bank on, yeah. Also a dedicated grass roots community.
>>345503851
In Melee's case yeah, it was dying after Brawl came out. Once Brawl had started to die off it slowly started to gain steam again and the documentary help bring a ton of new players in once it started to revive itself
>>345503851
It was a combination of a few things.
>very well-recieved documentary that gave an extensive look on competitive Smash
>donation drive to EVO getting shut down by Nintendo causing alot of publicity and backlash
>Sm4sh getting released and making alot of people aware that there was a competitive scene
Before that though, it was entirely based on community-built tournaments with no way of spreading the word other than online forums and such.
>>345503919
Thanks, will do this to grow my Street Fighter: The Movie: The Game scene, faggot.
>>345465530
what was the smash community so butthurt about? not enough monitors or something?
Like, do they not realize they got first class treatment all things considered?
>>345465530
Agreed. Reminder that most smash players are like this:
>>345476470
Zero respect for the FGC, zero interest in fighting games, zero reason to give them time and space at FGC events.
>$5 for ONE hot dog
>$30 for a whole pizza
fucking jews
>>345487614
This. Fuck sonicfagfox.
>>345475129
the incessant complaining from the fanbase on twitter about how they were so hard done by by not getting special considerations.
The stupid retards can't see that you shouldn't bite the hand that puts up with your filthy unwashed fanbase
>>345506491
Melee didn't complain aside from Leffen who couldn't even show up.
Sm4sh complained since they both had late-night pools and was scheduled for 8AM as well. While having one of the two is generally no issue, having both means very very little sleep, and isn't something that's generally done at tournaments because of it.
Other than that, there was also an issue where apparently half of the setups were being used for casuals, despite the Smash TOs trying to presuade the EVO staff to change them to tournament setups like other games do when they're running behind schedule. Also some of the setups were straight-up not prepared, missing stages and characters at times.
Overall it was terribly handled by the staff, and so many players swore off EVO because of that. Some are still favorable towards the event because of the atmosphere and general experience beyond on how the tournament ran itself.
Next evo put smash babies in the side tournament pls
>>345507886
>all SFV moments except for melee at number one
Why do celebs pretend to follow fighters? This is literally just bandwagoning at this point.
>>345507601
>so many players swore off EVO because of that
Aw yiss.
Can't wait for the 2017 edition.
>>345508139
but then evo won't get 220k views
>>345507601
>>345508284
Keep in mind that everything after the first sentence was only about Sm4sh. Melee players didn't complain whatsoever about the event during or after. The exciting bracket seems to have silenced all the complaints over Bo3 and stuff as it hasn't been brought up since.
>>345508329
Nobody beat USF4's 275k so it's not like it matters. Smashkids don't like to count the official restreams for latin america and asia though because they don't get any viewers for smash.
There are Nielsen numbers floating around that have the EVO ratings at 615000 with 69000 tweets.
I'm glad that cosplaying isn't dead.
>>345502169
If he is out thinking them and defeating them by rendering conventional approaches useless, then he is by definition better than them and literally next-level.
Anyone who can't adapt their "conventional" gameplay to the new reality a character like that brings is simply a bad player and a glorified flowchart ken.
If they are superior players, they'd win. Period.
>>345492203
>playing Tr4sh
>Smash communities have their own Evo and don't have to bother with other games to thrive
>Meanwhile, FGC events can't keep their hands off that Smash money to bring in numbers
>Twitch views, more so than actual entrants, determine whether a game stays next year or gets kicked off
How is this allowed?
Melee players still don't understand that the Japanese FGC philosophy is beauty in simplicity hidden behind complexity.
It's part of the reason they liked Brawl was that the mechanic complexity didn't overwrite the simplicity of playing and putting your personality into the act of playing.
Japanese players feel like melee removes the player from the equation leaving the only expression as glitches, bugs, and mechanics that force everyone to play the same.
>>345508148
He went and wrote the song for the SFV intro at evo, I think he's actually interested
>>345509601
Yet they prefer Alpha 3 to 2.
>>345508148
>>345509627
I kind of mistyped that. I know Lupe follows SFV, he """""""""""beat"""""""""""" Daigo in the exhibition match, but what Im saying is that for all the SFV moments, then Smash randomly at the top is just for publicity.
>>345509815
Alpha 3 has more characters that the Japanese like and more custom combo options. That's not a shock at all.
>>345474671
>fun casual game but not that great at a competitive level
You mean like Smash?
>>345478959
That's French Bread for you, they should never be let near an English dictionary again
