This past EVO made one thing clear, Smash has no place here. This is a fighting game event. Mechanics that games like Street Fighter and Virtua Fighter gave birth to are the pillars of the event. It should be a celebration to fighting games. Instead it's the organizers selling out to the highest bidder no matter relevancy. Smash shouldn't take almost half the running time of the main stage when it's one fucking series that is barely a fighting game.
Where are the games like Virtua Fighter, Third Strike, KoF, Blazblue, DoA5 and Soul Calibur? Why are these games being pushed aside for what is something that is really just a party game for kids and manchildren?
>b-but Melee brings in big crowds
Do you know what else brings in big crowds? MOBAs and FPS. Does that mean that EVO should know host Overwatch and DOTA next? No, that doesn't. So shut the fuck up with this argument. At this rate, EVO Japan is looking to be everything that EVO USA is failing at.
MrWizard is a fat sellout fuck. Expect Overwatch next year as the only fighting game that will remain will be SF.
>Melee got 219k viewers and SFV got less than 200k
No... this can't be happening bros... SFV was meant to be THE best fighting game of all time and the whole of top 8 was boring Nash mirror matches... it was fucking tedious bros.. even memelee was way more hype with the reset in grand finals.
What the fuck do we do now SFV bros? How do we recover from this?
This year's evo was shit. You can't prove me wrong.
>>345467426
>mad Smashbabby who will never watch his game on national television
>>345467426
SFV had a total of 260k not counting the 500k+ on national TV, you smelly autist.
>>345467561
I really enjoyed GG top 8, better than last year for sure. Other games were kind of boring
>>345467426
>implying SF5 isn't a half baked game with nickel and diming out the ass
>>345465530
>>345467734
>Capcucks and sonyggers mad
Delicious tears
>>345467816
Accidently quoted yourself, Smash autist. Maybe the smell of shit coming from you is obstructing your senses.
>>345465530
I do like smash, but I wouldn't mind getting rid of both melee and sm4sh to bring back KoF and Blazblue.
Smash still has Apex, Genesis, and other events to go to.
This years Evo has shown me that capcom are the biggest Jews to ever live.
and that KOF 14 and Tekken 7 look fucking great.
melee final was surprisingly enjoyable considering i don't like the game much.
>EVO Japan
>everyone plays actual games
>no tranny degenerates and BLM dindus
>no forced costume selection because nips aren't sensitive little bitches
>no shitty party games because nips actually bothered to learn Virtua Fighter
>only pure fighting games
Bring it on baby
>>345468063
>no tranny degenerates and BLM dindus
Kayo will be there.
>>345468063
EVO Japan already confirmed smash, only smash 4 though no melee.
At least you will never be as destroyed as this guy was.
www.twitter.com/aprescott11
>>345468237
source?
>>345468237
GAY
>>345465530
>being this fucking upset and possessive over "e-sports"
time to seriously consider suicide, friendo
>>345468410
>i'm sweating in anger
>>345468410
More
Evo gained nearly 85k viewers from melee and then lost 40k when melee ended. Melee needs to be the main event desu.
>>345468620
How did melee do on espn?
>>345465530
Tourneyfaggotry is a mistake.
No matter if it's about fighting games, MOBAs or shooting games. Tourney bring the worst from every videogame fan. Endless shitposting, shitfliging, console wars, absolutely embarassing arguments about the "superiority" of a series over another (or even of a game over another in the same series). And let's not get started to talk about the praise some literally who idiots get just for playing a videogame in frint of an even dumber crowd. Nobodies that pretend to be some kind of high caliber celebrity. And YOU faggots eat their shit and suck their dicks.
It's horrible. Competitive gaming is a big mistake. Purge it away before it's too late.
>>345467930
I'm gonna be real with you. I feel similarly. I personally very much enjoy smash, but it feels slightly out of place at Evo especially with other more deserving fighters like KoF being pushed to the side for it.
>>345468620
mr wizard said he was so impressed with melee he was considering it
also smash 4 is getting dropped next year because of zero being a whinging autist
>>345468620
so you're saying 85k tuned in for melee and the other 120k were just waiting for it to end and just left twitch open? interesting
>>345468695
SF has had tournaments for several decades just fine. Competitive gaming is fine so long as its done by the fans for the fans. And not for massive normalfag audiences.
>>345468784
It's McRib's fault for being a jew.
>>345467689
>ESPN2
>international television
Let me just order that sports package to watch my 3 hour vidya snore fest on the liquid crystal jew
>>345468410
Someone post the collage
>>345465530
DON'T GIVE A FUCK. BOB IS COMING TO TEKKEN 7 MEANWHILE CAPCOM ANNOUNCES 25 AMERIBUX DLC WITH JUST A STAGE AND 4 COSTUMES
>>345468978
>>345468201
but Kayo is pure and Cummy is her waifu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNLBZWP87lg
>>345465530
Evo is whatever Mr. Wizard wants it to be. Start your own locals if you have a certain ideology in mind. I've done it, it's not hard. In a couple years you can host weeklies with 100+ entrants.
>>345467734
Don't forget that 200k of viewers watching during melee top 8 were just waiting for SFV to start
>>345468681
It didn't
>>345468795
>source: my ass
Also I don't see Sm4sh being dropped as long as Nintendo is sticking with their minimal and largely symbolic efforts at supporting their games
>>345468681
>watching television
>>345468620
So in other words, 40k people actually tuned in and out for melee while the others were literally just waiting for SFV to start.
Good to know that melee's numbers are constantly misconstrued and when it is proven otherwise, ala >>345467862
smashbabbys simply plug their ears and scream until nobody cares to put up with them anymore and drops the conversation.
>>345469039
Is there more?
>>345469124
yeah that's why genesis 3 (a smash only tourney) got 110k by iself
stay mad capcuck
>>345465530
>Instead it's the organizers selling out to the highest bidder no matter relevancy.
Are you going to pretend like Street Fighter was never apart of the bidding war?
>>345465530
People tend to not think it's a fighting game because it was not intended to be taken to a competitive level.
It's like saying just because the writer of a movie didn't intend it to be a comedy, then it CAN'T be a comedy. It's a false sense of logic.
Smash is simply what you perceive it to be. In my perception, it is both a party game for casuals and friends, while also having the ability to be a competitive fighting game. Some may have high standards for this of course, which can switch their perception.
>>345468681
>pretending people care about espn2
>can't even top melee on twitch with finale timeslot
>21% viewer drop from Evo 2015
Your game is dying, friend.
No one watches TV and the number of viewers on Twitch went down after Melee ended.
>>345468795
One person isn't going to cause the removal of a game.
>>345469728
My problem with Melee is the community. It's horribly whiny and utterly pathetic, and I lost all hype when it was Armada and Hungrybox yet again with Armada being sad crybaby when autismo supreme HB won
I'm fine with the furry community getting their party game on stage but if they get to call it competitive I get to call Mario Kart competitive.
>>345469762
>Game's life is based on viewers rather than number of people playing
Esports was a mistake
>>345470013
Armada is way more of an autist than Hbox.
Hbox is a redditor normie supreme, has a hot gf, close friends, a good job, and generally people outside of the melee community like him. Ironically he is disliked much more within the Melee-sphere itself.
>>345467426
I was disappointed in Nash Mirrors out the wazoo too, but god damn they were fucking good.
L.I. Joe put on the best fights of the entire weekend out of all the games. Infiltration was stick, and Fuudo was super exciting to watch as Mika. I watched nearly the entirety of EVO and was most hyped during SF5 top 8 with Joe.
Besides, Infiltration is taking up Juri soon anyway I think so one less Nash.
>>345470079
>furry community
I dont get it, MK has been on EVO for years now.
>>345470181
I like playing smash, but damn is its community fucking stupid. HBox is better off.
I also agree that Smash should just make its own event, but the smash community seems to be so desperate for attention they wouldn't be satisfied with their own major smash event without it being at Evo.
>tfw work full time
>tfw I will never be good at fighting games
it's a strange and suffering feeling.
>>345470203
The Netherrealm scene has got to step their fucking game up. I'd be fucking embarrassed the best player in my scene is a unabashed open furry like Sonicfox. Same with Pokken
>>345465530
>not getting 5min hand warmies from mummi every set
pfft, are you even a smash god?
Really tho no other fucking game in the entire event gets away having its 15 year old version on main stage
>>345470013
>thread is OP crying and whining about Melee
>"Melee is always the same", even though top 8 had 8 characters, Hbox won his first Evo, last two majors were won by Mango and Leffen
>Sleep fighter had 2 characters in top 8 and Infiltration won it like always
Well memed.
>>345470390
Smash already has its own majors which are even better handled than EVO.
Its still at EVO because lol money mr.wizard loves that money
post more chun mod
>>345470390
I'm astonished that Melee is more focused on barging into other events when having their own big-event with just Melee would both be faster and honestly more hype. They pull enough entrants now that it's easily possible
>>345470390
Not true at all, plus Meleefags generally understand that EVO is it's own spectacle and are just grateful to be part of it.
If Melee left EVO, yes it would be bad from a publicity standpoint, but the vast majority of players wouldn't mind as there are plenty of grassroots majors (and supermajors, e.g. Big House, Genesis, etc).
>>345465530
SFV was pretty meh, the best tjing this year was T7, KoFXIV, GG, and Melee
>>345470452
Pokken's EVO 2016 grand champ was damn good though.
>>345470504
>implying I said melee was always the same
>implying I have to like HungryBox just because he won his first Evo
>implying the consensus was SF stopped its hype after LI Joe got eliminated
Thanks bud
As much as I love fightan games, I'm nowhere near a high-level player in any of them. Smash was the reason I went to EVO this year, playing SF was just an added bonus.
>>345470452
They can't do shit. SonicFox will continue winning in Injustass 2.
Yet smash has been at EVO for in some capacity for over 8 years or so on and off.
Really you whiny faggots on /v/ need to shut the fuck up unless you're at the event, which I'm sure if you were you'd probably enjoy anything going on.
>>345470657
>Melee is more focused on barging into other events
No offense, but this is just a retarded thing to say. Mr. Wizard is the one that hosts the biggest fighting game tourney in the world. He invited Smash, he made the donation drive originally. How the fuck do you not take the opportunity to get into the biggest fighting game even there is?
Like holy shit, you can rag on their behavior sometimes, but if Wizard takes their money than you only have one person to be sour at.
>>345470452
Netherrealm has reached a point where they can't foster their communities consistently anymore. MKX has been out for what? Two years? Now it won't be there next year in favor of Injustice 2, plus Mortal Kombat is no longer the juggernaut it was in the late 90's.
Some games like Marvel have died down a fair amount over the years, where as MK has just been dead for a while
>>345470501
Maybe it has something to do with it consistently getting 2nd place in terms of views since 2013.
If SSF2T got over 200k every year it was featured, you'd best believe it'd be on the main stage too.
>>345470682
He's also a sperglord who openly admits on Twitter he wanted to promote Braixen so she can get more hentai.
Shit like this is why people think gamers are total fucking creeps
>>345471225
Do you know where you are?
Has sales increased because of the normalfag ESPN sports broadcast?
>>345471336
sales will increase when the game becomes as good as USF4 (it's still good, but not quite there yet).
>tfw Nintendo had their chance to be absolutely based by blocking Melee back in 2013
>>345470976
Melee was there once in 2007, then wasn't there again until 2013 and it's been there since. I wouldn't call that "8 years on and off" unless by some capacity you mean the BYOC area where there are a ton of games
Defend this.
>>345471336
Hard to tell, since it's not even been a full day since EVO.SFV does appear on the top sellers list on steam right now (6th place).
>>345465530
>This past EVO made one thing clear
How so?
>>345470185
Yeah the "Nash out the ass" syndrome was really bad, but that's because of the limited roster. Hopefully by next EVO it'll be a lot more diverse since I expect season 2 to be partly released by then too. I only caught bits and pieces of the preliminaries but I enjoyed seeing a few Ibukis in there instead of constant Chuns and Cammys..
>>345471497
Did they fix 8 frames yet?
>>345471681
Western fighting games are almost as bad as Smash
Reminder that SF5 got on TV because it got over 5k entrants, and because Sony and Capcom actively pushed and paid for it.
If Nintendo were to to do something like then you can bet your ass they would go with Sm4sh instead of Melee
>>345470553
Ever smash Tourney I've ever seen has been a clusterfuck. I doubt its ran better than Evo, not that I'm claiming Evo did a good job with smash, considering how large the event was overall, I'd say it went pretty well.
>>345471498
>tfw Meleefags raised so much hell that Nintendo changed their mind and let it happen anyways
This is the difference between being an alpha and being a cuck.
Grassroots for life.
>>345471820
>and because Sony and Capcom actively pushed and paid for it.
evo did
>>345471872
So what you're saying is that Nintendo is run by cucks
>>345471820
When Nintendo gets the hype surrounding Melee then they'd be stupid not to go to ESPN
>>345471681
He tried.
>>345471835
Genesis was ran fantastically, and that had 2000 people. Also Big House is always run great - Juggle Rob is a godly TO. There have definitley been bad Smash tourneys tho, from Apex, to HTC Throwdown, to anything hosted by MVG, etc.
>>345471681
I can't.
That filthy muzzie playing Kotal Kahn should have sacked up and whooped his ass.
>>345471965
>Nintendo
>supporting Melee
Pick one. Seriously, Nintendo is always going to push Sm4sh over Melee because its a game that's currently on store shelves on a console still available at retail.
Ask any Melee player and they'll tell you Nintendo has never been super supportive.
>>345471681
Seriously fuck this guy. He's such a disgrace. I hope in 20 years when he's an old man he looks back and realizes how big a faggot he looked.
>>345471951
I'm saying that meleefags were alpha enough to tell Nintendo to go fuck themselves after being ignored for most of the decade.
Name one other community that was able to pull off something like that.
>>345471965
>Melee
Melee s fucking dead and dust. I'm happy for HBox but fucking kill this game already and move on.
>the salty tears from butthurt nerds online when they see self-actualized adults criticizing the presence of video games (a toy for CHILDREN) on ESPN2
Soooo much nerd persecution complex desu senpai
>>345472065
Tekken Master at least made Sonic sweat a lot, to the point his furry shit got in the way of him playing the damn game.
>>345470123
The only reason Melee is still alive in any form is because of esports.
Why can't smash and Meelee just fuck off to their own venue? They clearly don't play any other fighting games (only staying around till meelee showed up) and are all obnoxious. Evo should be a celebration of actual fighting games not some kid shit that was never meant to be competitive
>>345472417
Can you really call it esports when they've kept their scene alive purely on their own.
Nintendo didn't even acknowledge them save for almost shutting down their entry into EVO 2013.
sf5 was boring as shit, melee was hype as shit
melees the shit, you just can't do it
oh noes
>>345472440
Apparently Apex is the "EVO" of smash. I don't understand why they need both games. Are smashfags seriously this upset about sm4sh?
>>345467930
As a Smash player, I honestly wouldn't mind if we just dropped out of the big FGC tourneys and Genesis/Big House became the Smash equivalent of Evo/CEO respectively.
>>345472289
>turn on sports channel
>almost always poker
Who the fuck watches this nonsport?
>>345472616
Melee is there because it still commands high entrant numbers, Sm4sh is also there because it commands roughly similar entrant turnout but also because Nintendo provides some support,
>>345468620
After seeing EVO turn into Esports/ESPN Vaginas Offended, hell, Melee can have EVO. It fits the disney babby censorship business model they're going for since Melee doesn't have anything to censor unless you can't handle granniepanties.
>>345472670
Genesis and Big House are definitely already the biggest supermajors (I mean outside of EVO).
We would need another one to replace it, there's no other summer major that comes close at the moment.
>>345472535
>he didn't get hype for runaway Mika
That first set was awesome, I wish Fuudo won the whole thing.
SFV fan but was fucking hype for melee and fell asleep at SFV top 8. Shieet.
>>345472670
I have nothing against the other games at Evo, I just hate having to wait until their over in order to watch. I feel like Smash having its own event would be easier to run and also less time consuming
>>345472616
>Apparently Apex is the "EVO" of smash.
And even then some Smash fags boycotted it.
>>345472616
I don't know why meleefags are upset. They got Project M. A game which blends all the tech of Melee with the character variety and stages of Brawl.
Of course, meleefags only love melee and think it superior to all games, past and future.
>>345472782
Yes but why are some Meleefags not migrating over to sm4sh? I understand brawl, but what's wrong with sm4sh
>>345472908
SF pools were more fun to watch than the finals. Everyone knew Infiltration had this on lock (hell in 2014 he was a god damn monster)
LI Joe was the best part by far
>>345472440
>tfw play smash and traditional fightan
I can't be the only one, r-right guys?
>Poker isn't a TCG but it's a card game.
>a rhombus isn't a rectangle but it's a quadrilateral
>Smash isn't an FGC but it's a fighting game.
Can we agree on this?
>>345472960
From what I hear, official tournaments won't hold Project M because Melee gets high numbers and Nintendo won't support any event that hosts Project M.
>>345473042
Melee players claim the meta isn't as deep, it's a casual dumbed down game, and because wave-dashing isn't in it there's no consistent high-speed movement technique.
>>345471835
>Ever smash Tourney I've ever seen has been a clusterfuck.
Most smash majors are run really, really well.
Genesis and GOML specifically were really good. Only Apex 2015 was a huge mess.
>>345472167
Yeah Nintendo has actually been a negative for the competitive community until very recently. and even then, if Nintendo is sponsoring a tourney that basically only means that they're going to play star fox ads and tweet out when GFs start for sm4sh (usually not even Melee). There's no pot bonuses or anything that benefits anyone other than NIntendo. I think the most they ever do is provide some setups, and the rest is strictly for their benefit
>>345472960
A lot of top melee players played PM but it died because everyone was afraid of nintendo suing, twitch wouldn't support the game, no big channels would stream it, TOs scared of having it at their tournaments. If Smash 4 played like PM melee would be as dead as 64 is.
>>345472616
Apex is a dead tourney now.
The main reason Smash is at the FGC's summer super majors is because we have no supermajors of our own around this time of the year. Without your tourneys there would be a bigass gap of nothing between Genesis in January and Big House in October.
Got bored of SFV during the finals. Don't care for Jap only top8 and ugly characters. Once Chun-Li was done, so was I.
>2015: B-BUT THE VIEWERSHIP DROPPED FOR MARVEL BECAUSE MELEE WAS BORING
>2016: B-BUT THE VIEWERSHIP SPIKED FOR MELEE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE WAITING FOR STREET FIGHTER
You better get used to Melee, it's not going anywhere any time soon. Melee will probably never be on ESPN, but it replaced Marvel as the second most important game at EVO; the key difference being, it gains entrants and viewers year-over-year rather than losing them.
>>345473610
But a Korean won it
>>345473634
except at KOF
>>345472616
It was but things happened and it's not as big anymore.
Smash still has Genesis, Big House, GOML and plenty of smaller yet major tournaments like 2GG, Dreamhack, and BEAST and even more weeklies and locals like Xanadu and MVG League plus it's at another FGC event in CEO
It's totally fine being its own thing from EVO, it's EVO that needs smash. Both Melee and S4 combined has 5000+ players and that's not counting the fans present as well. Only Street Fighter had those numbers the others games were below 1,000 other than Pokken. That's a lot of money gone if Smash isn't at EVO
MELEE MELEE MELEE
>>345468842
>waiting when it ended 45 minutes later
>and it was going to be on TV
Literally nobody could've been waiting for SFV
>>345467689
why would I want to be on burger TV where I'm told what skins I can't wear because muh no sex
>>345473468
Nintendo did tweet when Hbox won Melee, and offered a pot bonus for Pokken. Other than that they didn't do much for Evo
>>345473501
>64
>Dead
A smaller niche community yet active isn't dead you doc kiddie.
Brawl is dead not 64
>>345473501
Didn't the people who made it get a C&D?
>>345473930
Pretty sure it was Namco-Bandai giving the pot bonus for Pokken.
>>345473720
Marvel died down a ton over the past two years, pretty sure Melee got higher entrants than it last year too.
Marvel could still be more active if Disney wasn't retarded
>>345472184
im sure he will be crying in his mountains of fighting game money
>>345474020
afaik they never actually got a C&D, they just pussied out because some lawyer spooked them
>>345473720
Fgcucks btgo
What game will be dropped to make room for KOF XIV next year? You can't not have a new KOF on the mainstage.
>>345473759
EVO doesnt need smash. It existed before smash and it will exist without it.
How did the Completionist actually do in his matches?
>>345474354
Tr4sh. Keep melee
>>345474003
so dead it got dropped from xanadu because they couldn't even get 5 entrants
>>345474354
Pokken or Killer Instinct. The former being far more likely than the latter
>>345474174
What did he win? Whatever it is I'm sure it's a lot less than he would've made if he had a real job.
>>345474529
Pokken will get dropped when Nintendo stop paying for it to be there.
>>345474354
Pokken
>requires TWO Wii Us to play properly
>slow as all fuck
>not even that great at a competitive level
It's a fun casual game, but it has no place at EVO and won't be unless some serious palm wetting happens.
>>345474540
> Whatever it is I'm sure it's a lot less than he would've made if he had a real job.
Kek no, Netherrealm puts like 50k pot bonuses into evo
>>345474354
Probably Marvel or Pokken. Smashfags won't stop melee, and Smash4 is recent.
>>345473042
Smash 4 is actually most similar to brawl unfortunately, so while it's great for the fanbase of brawl and the competitive scene which brawl had, it does nothing for the Melee community.
It has none of the movement options, combo game, jump momentum, or edgeguarding mechanics, that made melee what it is. Hell, it nerfed grabs to irrelevance and made DI (a central part of defensive and offensive play which allowed for greater interaction between players) practically useless.
You can't even dashdance (run back and forth during your initial dash) in smash 4 like you could in 64 and melee.
Basically, to a player who loves the control melee gives a player, smash 4 feels almost as restrictive as brawl.
>>345473293
Why do I get the impression that at least half the appeal of wavedashing is how hard it is to execute consistently? I feel like if 5mash ends up having a movement mechanic functionally identical to wavedash but not half as difficult to execute (because it's not just a serendipitous bug), meleefags will have none of it.
>>345474741
It isn't hard to execute at all though. It's by far the most basic tech in competitive play.
>>345474681
And if he went to college and got a job he could be making 80k easily.
>>345474540
he got 34k this year. 36k last year.
And MK wasn't the only game he even won.
According to esportsearnings.com he's made over 180k this year alone.
>>345474367
It's wont make as much without it nor will it grow bigger faster without it
Street Fighter and Guilty Gear are the only games that had good player numbers, Pokken was paid for and won't be back next year lets not kid ourselves.
You remove Melee,S4 and Pokken and your down 6000+ players and their fans. That's $60,000 in entry fees alone, not counting merchandise and other sources of income. It's will survive without smash but it won't get bigger faster without it and it would be stupid of Wizard to limit the growth of EVO because a few FGC autismos sperg out over smash
>>345470185
>Grand Finals
>the first few rounds were UMvC3 style touch of death scenarios
I still can't believe Infiltration got three fucking perfects.
>>345468620
melee will do better numbers in the prime time slot it has now rather than main event
>>345474690
>>345473293
So basically, muh ADHD movement.
>>345474868
This is paying for his college. He's made over 300k in his career.
>>345474741
>meleefags
Meleefags aren't moving from melee. Period.
>>345465530
Those games were in the side tournament. Look up Animeevo that is if you're serious and not just shitposting and pretending to complain and this reality gets in the way of that otherwise carry on being an angry fuck
>>345465530
>Where are the games like Virtua Fighter, Third Strike, KoF, Blazblue, DoA5 and Soul Calibur
Graveyard
>>345468501
Honestly their aren't many top melee players in Japan. I can only think of Amsa and Rudolph. I think most Japanese players have moved on to sm4sh as much as I dislike it. It makes sense not to include melee.
>>345474514
>A weekly in the most free region in the country
How about something important? Because it's at plenty of majors and regionals. Like I said small and niche yet active. Literally no one plays Brawl and it's can't even get 60 players at internationals like Genesis that 64 gets 200+
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>>345465530
>This past EVO made one thing clear, Smash has no place here
How did this event prove that in any way whatsoever?
>>345474964
>>345474868
Not to mention he's sponsored. So he get's travel and shit covered.
>>345475038
>Blazblue CF soon
Will EVO support it?
>>345474960
Partly, but the punish game of smash 4 alone is lacking enough compared to melee to really put off any melee fans from playing it. Playing nearly an entire game in neutral isn't all that fun.
>>345467930
>Apex
Is on its dying legs.
>>345472065
It really pisses me off Alien is an automatic I Win card and NRS doesn't give a shit
>>345474881
You forget that newer fighting games also come out and others increase in numbers each year
It wouldn't just be remove smash, it would be putting another game in there and the gain from that plus general growth means it does keep growing.
>>345475126
a weekly in an active region of the country
couldn't even get 5 entrants
think about that
>>345474741
Wavedashing is not fucking hard, you literally press 2 buttons and tilt the stick.
L-canceling is not hard either
The hard shit is being able to do combos, but once you get there you can be creative and that's what pushes people to keep playing. If someone comes out with a better/easier way to have the same freedom of movement and rewarding, momentum based gameplay then people would move on.
how come there's no good porn of julia?
>mango got pounded like a bitch again
>>345475249
There is not a SINGLE fighting game more popular than Melee and Smash 4 other than Street Fighter otherwise it would had been at EVO. The new fighters only got 1,000 players. Both smash games had 2500~ between both of them. There is NOTHING you can replace Smash with and it be more popular than Smash
>>345475262
No one is good in MVDA aside a few players, they aren't playing 64 because they can't even play their own games. Again if it's getting 200+ people at Genesis then it isn't dead you retard.
>>345475532
>SINGLE
good thing I said games added and others growing.
Next year will have KoF, Injustice 2 and Tekken at least added never mind if lol fighter appears from the corpse of rising thunder which would be stupidly huge. Smash is replaceable
>>345471760
Well when the game was supposed to have more characters by now it's no shocker. All these crazy team ups and sell outs Japanese companies keep doing with the Sony machine just seem to keep working out to weaker rather than better results all around. Makes me a little concerned for Persona 5 and FFXV to be honest.
Shit thread, post EVO 2017 predictions
>SFV
>KoFXIV
>GGXrdR
>BBCF
>SSBM
>Injustice 2
>T7FR
>KI
>UMvC3
I used to think Sm4sh would appear next year as well, but top players there seem like they're not going to attend it next year so I wouldn't put my money on it returning.
>>345469039
>one guy has ASSFAGGOTS hyper slut spider bitch as twitter picture
>complains about video games on tv
It's like pottery
>>345473720
>
not counting the 30k people watching the topanga stream lol
>>345467426
Well, you have to count in ESPN viewership as well, but non-sports never does super well on ESPN iirc, so you'd probably only add an extra 50-60k to the viewer count. So SFV would be somewhere around 230k
>>345475793
It's time for Mahvel to die.
>>345475764
>KoF
Will replace the weakest link, Pokken
>Injustice
will replace NRS's MKX
>Tekken
It's already there. They'll just swap out the arcade version with the PS4 version.
>>345467734
>500k on national TV
You're really hopeful. I doubt it was even 100k
>>345475793
I'm ready for more Tekken. I had a lot of fun watching the Top 8.
>>345475249
Injustice 2 and KoF14 are the two new games coming out. KoF14 will probably be the more popular of the two, but KoF as a franchise lost a lot of ground to SF over the years and Netherrealm games are only there now because they pay for it.
Expect Marvel to continue to decline over this next year due to Capcom being unable to patch or update the game thanks to Disney
>>345475793
>Injustice 2
>KI
>MvC3
>Melee
man next year evo is gonna be as bad as this years i guess.
didn't know they were making a new blazblue.
blazblue AND Guilty Gear seems weird to me.
KOF14 and Tekken7 is gonna be awesome though.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Iateyourp1e/status/754906426078887936
Really makes you think
>>345476125
I hope Marvel dies so that it can make place for something else, but the fact that it still brings in high entrants combined with there being not really anything else to take its place makes me think it won't.
That, and Wizard loving Marvel more than he loves himself.
>>345476285
CentralFiction is coming out in October 6th in Japan, and sometime in Winter 2016 in US/EU. Considering they had both Persona and BB before, I wouldn't say it's too farfetched.
>>345475764
Congrats! You added three games that still don't even come close in entrants combined than Melee or S4 alone!
Just come to terms that without Smash EVO isn't anywhere as near popular already
>>345465530
melee and smash 4 are literally the most interesting thing about these shitty fgc tournaments
>but it's not a real fighting game
as long as it's relevant no one will care so you can stop crying fgc babies
>>345475764
I don't even like competitive Smash, but c'mon now you're delusional.
Injustice will probably get more numbers than MKX did this year, but those still aren't a lot.
Tekken 7 was there this year, in case you're a moron and forgot
KoF will be there for sure, but it's not going to be net 2000 entrants
>>345476171
The first two games gets people in they stay. Being not locked to two places in the world will cause tekken to shoot up
>>345476125
No please
Think of Woolie
>>345476349
>except the 60k watching the Japanese SFV stream and 500k watching it on TV
Other than that, we won, my smelly autist manchildren
>>345476285
Blazblue won't be back because GG is a better game. It's like having brawl and melee.
>>345476171
Why would they replace two games getting close to 1,000?
>>345475764
>KoF, Injustice 2 and Tekken
Maybe, just maybe, they'll get 1000 entrants combined. Great replacement for Smash.
>>345476609
Did Blazblue add tripping and cause the game to be way slower by removing movement options? Serious question.
>>345476609
A shame since UNIST is better than both of those games.
HUNGRY BOOOOOOOOOOOOOX
>>345476171
>>345476628
Pokken was actually the only game other than SF and Smash to break the quad digits
MK had around 700 entrants, while GG had 900 and Tekken had 550.
>>345473759
It's true we don't need EVO anymore but I don't think EVO needs melee either. They'll do fine without us. We did need EVO back in 2013, and for that I'm very thankful to the fgc. It's clear most of fgc doesn't like melee and unless it's just a vocal minority, I think it's fine if EVO doesn't have smash anymore.
The Guilty Gear Top 8 and Daisuke doing some reveals is what EVO should be about. That was such a good hour and a half.
>>345476816
so, close to 1,000. They ain't just going to throw them out even if they aren't main stage. Especially cause they don't whine like smash babies
>>345476816
>Tekken 7 had 550.
To be fair, the fucking game isn't even out yet. Why would anyone outside of Japan and Korea bother to play it against arcade monsters?
Next year should be much higher.
>>345476905
To add on, I think EVO should feature 1 event per tournament that aims to revive an old game. Like if EVO 2017 had a darkstalkers or virtual fighter tournament, maybe something crazy like soul calibur. Idk though I'm not an fgc guy.
>>345477003
Yeah, i'm astonished it was even there.
>>345477237
A few years ago they had a mini-tournament on stage for Third Strike: Online Edition
>>345476906
All GG related was so good.
>LI Joe was America's last hope in SFV top 8
>LI Joe was the most-interviewed player on ESPN
>LI Joe was the only player the crowd actively chanted for
>LI Joe received the most bits out of anyone else at EVO, even after his elimination
>twitch chat on the JP EVO stream even referred to Joe as "shujinko", despite 6/8ths of top 8 in SFV being Japanese
Where were you when Joe became a global hero?
>Last thread
>Twitch viewer count has Smash higher than SFV
>Smash babies think this means Smash is more popular than SFV even though SFV was being broadcasted by ESPN2
>Smash babies think people didn't switch over to ESPN2 for SFV
>Smash babies think "HURRRR DURRR MELEE GOT 220K ONLY ON ONE STREAM WHILE SFV NEEDS TO BE AIRED ON LIVE TV TO ACHIEVE SIMILAR RESULTS DURR HURRR MELEE WINS" as if SFV wouldn't get higher twitch viewer count had it not for ESPN2 or that Melee wouldn't have its twitch viewer count decrease rapidly if it was being aired live on national TV (would never happen, though)
Melee got BTFO once again.
>>345477382
>the only english speaking guy gets more media coverage
who would have thought
>>345476751
UNist isn't even on consoles, are you telling me you live in Japan and play at the arcades frequently enough to judge it as better?
I'm excited for EVO Japan on the prospect that it won't have a Smash game.
>normies shit on esports on ESPN not being a real sport
>fgccucks shit on melee not being a real fighting game
Like pottery
>>345477382
It's funny seeing racist Americans completely disregard the merits of top Asian players and obsess over a guy who floated through brackets and got a lucky win against Kazunoko.
I love seeing Americans get destroyed. They think they can compete with Asians but no matter how much they practice, they can't match even mediocre Asian players.
>>345476609
GG and BB play extremely differently now. What you say might've held true for CT, but CPE and CF are both nothing like GG. More combo-based gameplay, various wakeup options so the setplay isn't as heavy in that area, faster paced, and momentum shifts are extremely volatile rather than a focus on neutral.
>>345477003
Tekken TOP8 had 3rd smallest viewer count, right behind KI and Pokken. Bamco also promoted the shit out of this game in competitive circles.
Next year numbers won't change much, it might get around 700 entries if EVO grows, but that's it.
Also for all the talk bout arcade monsters US players placed hight than any JPN player this year.
>>345476905
EVO absolutely will be fine without Smash but Wizard wants money, views and sponsorship deals. Smash will bring that with just two games and more with those two games than all the others combined aside Street Fighter. It only makes sense as a business to bring Smash to evo and give you more spots for other games than trying to max your views out with a bunch of FGC games
>>345477702
Well, UNIEL is better than those two, so its safe the assume the same will apply to UNIST.
>>345477237
ST was kinda like that back in the days and even 2012's Tournament of Legends.
>Ibuki looks cool
>But wait, she's low tier and hard to learn
Th-thanks Capcom
>>345477965
Well that statement alone shows how little you know about the game. While the overall balance in UNIst is better, it also added Cross Cast which made higher damage combos available. In the arcades, many japanese players dropped it because of that, and while it didn't lower the overall count, it shifted in gameplay alot.
>>345477787
It'll have sm4sh at the very least.
>>345477965
How is it better? Like, they are all different games to begin with and I only see the reason to compare BB with GG but Under-Night? That's some autism
>>345477382
What does Shujinko mean?
EVO should just keep Nintendo games and SF5 at this point and become a full blown esports event like Mr. Wizard wished. Other communities should just boycott EVO and regroup elsewhere.
top 8 was great. nash definitely needs some form of nerf but saying sf5 top 8 was shit because of nash mirror matches obviously don't play the game or even bothered watching what was happening.
>>345478167
The game is still getting tweaked. Wait for that glorious console release.
>>345478478
Protagonist
>>345470452
SonicFox needs to move to the KOF scene
He will make KOF14 popular and bring new players into the fold.
is pokken still worth buying? hows the netcode? playerbase?
>>345478568
There has been literally no announcement of a console release, the 2nd new character was only added recently, and it just had a new balance patch. Also, there's nothing to "tweak" about Cross Cast, it's an entirely new mechanic that's functioning the way it was intended.
>>345478069
Capcoms approach to the DLC characters is definitely to keep them purposefully low tier.
Its very obvious they want to avoid any new character being OP as shit and upset tournaments so they nuke them down to maybe buff them later.
>>345477965
I've always wondered.
Why does everyone call it UNIEL when the game is Under Night In Birth anyway?
Shouldn't it be UNIB?
>>345478810
Under Night In-Birth was the first game.
Under Night In-Birth Exe:Late is the current version on console.
Under Night In-Birth Exe:Latest is the latest version on arcades.
>>345478660
And then job to nearly everybody he comes across?
I like this idea.
Melee got the second highest entrants. Why are people surprised?
>>345478673
The net code is flawless its magic how good it is while Smash 4 has some of the shittiest ever.
I stopped playing it because it's a projectile spam fest but it was fun for a little bit
>>345478712
>Wait
Read nigga, read!
>>345478883
Ah gotcha. Thanks.
Fucking stupid name though
>>345478893
Third. Smash 4 had like 100 more entrants or some shit.
>>345478893
>Melee got the second highest entrants
Third highest
>>345478893
Sm4sh actually got the second highest, with Melee a close third just missing out by 300 entrants
>>345478883
Inbirth is treated as one word
>>345479006
>300 entrants
>close
That's more than half the entrants of KI.
>Killer Instinct will never be on the main stage
>>345478893
It's not considering there is only 2 smash style games that anyone plays
>>345476285
>>345476609
Yeah man, it's not like EVO had 2 anime games before.
They never had GGXrd and Persona 4 Arena at EVO last year, nope.
>>345465530
Soul Calibur isn't at EVO anymore because the main people in the community were caught trying to game the prize money by throwing matches and betting. So they banned it.
This occurred with SC2 though, whether that means it happened many years ago or recent (perhaps sc2 is the best for comp play? idk i dont follow sc).
>>345465530
We have this thread every year and it is always the same.
Smash brings people, people bring money, money keeps evo alive and growing, ignore it and deal with it.
>>345479108
In-Birth has always had a hyphen, but was only treated as a single word once Exe:Late came came out. The game was referred to as UNIB before that.
>>345465530
Can someone list all the controversies and spaghetti moments? The only ones I have are the Noel Brown and Hyuga stories.
