>Have to complete a 100h+ singleplayer storyline filled with fetch quests and backtracking before you can access dungeons and the expansion content
Who thought this was a good idea?
>People still manage to be utter shitters by endgame after all this
>>345463354
You can enjoy and Explorer the huge open world
>>345463952
>Explorer the huge open world
The story forces you to do that so there's no way around it
>You can enjoy
Nah
>>345463354
Japs
>>345463952
>Open world
>Can't go into HW area without doing 100h+ of story
ARR was mostly open world. HW killed open world by putting quest blockers everywhere.
>>345463952
>You can enjoy and Explore the huge completely instanced world
FTFY
>>345463952
>implying exploration fags will enjoy this
It's the usual 'themepark' setup, meaning they have you pretty much exploring nearly every nook and cranny through the main story quest alone.
Sure there are some areas that you have to go out of your way for, but these fucking retards are so gay they ask, 'But for what purpose?'.
I have no idea what these 'exploration' fags want, and neither do they. It SOUNDS like what they expect is for the devs to build entire zones/cities/villages where nobody would actually visit because there's no reason to.
>>345464376
There's no instancing in the overworld idiot. There was for like 2 weeks after the expansion released because of server issues.
>>345463354
>I have to play the game to play the game
wow!
>>345464847
>>345464191
There was fun and meaningful exploration for a while after the expansion came out, because you had to explore and find Aether Currents if you wanted to fly.
Apparently they removed that because literally anything that requires more than following the quest markers is too much to ask.
>>345465723
>Playing an MMO for singleplayer content
Literally kill yourself
>>345463354
This is the expansion pack. How are you supposed to expand if you haven't beaten the game?
Sorry the game doesn't have "BUY NOW AND BOOST YOUR CHARACTER TO LEVEL 100 INSTANTLY" so that shitters can clog the queues not knowing how to play their class
I mean it'll happen anyway but at least it takes less time for that to happen this way
>>345465990
Get a friend and do the main quests.
It's not rocket surgery.
>be a mentor
>queue mentor roulette
>mfw all three are new and squeeze over every mechanic
It was cute.
>>345465990
Maybe WoW is more your speed champ.
>>345465990
>Not realizing that this is Final Fantasy, a single-player series
Your fault for not doing the research. FF14 is a single-player game with MMO elements, which is quite okay since it's such a good single player experience.
Outside of the early fetch quests that is. Fuck that, S-E needs to(and probably will) cut out a lot of that shit when the next expansion comes around.
>>345463767
This.
There's people who don't know the basics of their class at 50, and still don't after dragging themselves through the MQ, all the duties and trials after that, and still manage to be shitters in post-50 content. Removing that barrier only enables shitters even more.
So you can actually learn your goddamn job and not get carried in endgame content
>>345466157
>WoW
>Content
Lol
>>345463767
Because none of the mandatory content requires optimized gameplay at all, and SE expects the community to teach people how to actually play.
>>345466196
>it's such a good single player experience.
Literally the entire ARR storyline is just backtracking to random location to grab an item or kill a specific enemy then backtrack back to the quest giver on the other side of the planet. And the story is not even very interesting except a few instances like near the end of ARR.
>I plan to rehash the exact same shit in 4.0
>and these retards will actually buy + defend it!
>>345466220
It really doesn't function as a skill barrier. Worst case scenario for them is they just have to spam it until they get carried.
>>345466401
>Here is a linkshell so we can stay in contact
>PLEASE SEE ME IN PERSON EVERY QUEST
>>345466196
The fucked up thing is FF14 is probably the MMO with the most group content that is still being consistently updated.
Also
>good single player experience
fuck off
>>345466157
>Want multiplayer in a Massively MULTIPLAYER online roleplaying game
>GO BACK TO WOW NERD
Yeah okay
Could you all meet me at the Waking Sands?
>100h+ singleplayer storyline filled with fetch quests and backtracking
you can run through the initial story content in like 30hrs. m8
>>345465836
No, you still have to find aether currents. They just put them in different spots.
>>345466695
Only 30 hours of mind numbing fetch quests??? Sign me the fuck up!
>>345466679
FUCK OFF MINFILIA
REEEE
>>345466041
This has to be one of the worst MMOs to play with a friend. If either of you try and level with the other person not around you're going to fuck up because suddenly you're level 34 and they're only 32, and you're 20 quests ahead of them.
Even then the game constantly places you into solo instances. Jesus Fuck.
>>345466695
Sure, you just need to know everything about the game in advance, no problems!
>>345466854
>game has system in place where it can place you back in your group after a dungeon
>doesnt apply it to questing groups
I really want to like it because it's one of the few MMO's with an aesthetic I can stand. Can't do most western styled stuff, total turn off, and the area design in XIV is very pretty to look at. Plus it's easily got the best soundtrack I've heard in an MMO by far
But fuck, the actual game is awful
>>345466345
>"Hey as a monk you should really be doing positionals. That's about 20% of your damag-"
>"Don't tell me how to play my class"
>>345466854
Then communicate and decide when both of you will play? Or just make a solo character for when your friend isn't on?
>>345463354
It's called Final Fantasy XIV. Of course it's going to have a mandatory storyline.
>>345466196
>A single player series
>Two MMOs
>First one damn near required you to be with other players for years in order to actually progress
It's an MMO, deal with it.
>>345463354
That's the best way to do a themepark MMO in my opinion. Dead maps and hub towns means your game is awfully designed and you essentially wasted resources making all those maps and you might as well have gone the Vindictus/PSO2 route of just having everything be Hub town>Instanced dungeon.
I don't play FFXIV because MMO's just can't keep up with other games anymore but it's not a game where you just mindless grind to level cap then raid. That, FATEs and the daily dungeon roulette thing are good ways to keep old content somewhat relevant.
>>345464367
>ARR was mostly open world. HW killed open world by putting quest blockers everywhere.
Why lie?
>>345467330
>First one damn near required you to be with other players for years in order to actually progress
>Second one damn near requires you to not be with other players for weeks in order to actually progress
NOT an MMO
>>345467007
>well if it's only a 20% difference then it doesn't matter that much ^^;
>>345463354
>Why do I have to play the game to keep playing the game?
The post.
>>345467475
How is it a lie? You can walk to nearly every zone without having to worry about levels or quests, but in HW you absolutely needed to finish the MSQ to get to; hinterlands, Churning Mists, Azys Lia, northern part of sea of clouds.
>>345464847
You don't get anything close to a full map just doing story quests. There is a sightseeing log where you can find all threads cool lore related items and stories that happen around the player. Like there is one story in ishgard that's been playing out over these last few patches where a noble woman falls in love with a commoner, a baron who wants her for himself. He eventually hires goons to kidnap the commoner
>>345467475
Not that guy but I'm pretty sure HW blocks you off from all of the zones except Coerthas West and Sea of Clouds until you progress the story. In ARR you could technically toddle into places you weren't supposed to be yet, even though you couldn't actually do anything there.
>>345463354
>having to subscribe every 2 months so SE don't delete my fucking virtual house
fuck square enix - why didnt they just add infinite amount of wards like other MMOS
>>345467841
>running from Ul'dah to Revenant's Toll at level one on a new alt just to grab the bikini
Pretty fun desu
>>345467194
Sure, those can work. But you realize how badly an MMO is designed when I, the player, have to figure out ways to make it worthwhile to play with OTHER FUCKING PEOPLE, right?
>game has macro functionality
>cant use them since skill queue doesnt work with macros
Thanks.
>>345467890
Just sell the house if you're not using it for 2 months at a time.
>>345468079
It's not like the game needs skill macros. This is not wow ffs.
>>345468079
They work nicely for crafting.
>>345467890
ps3 limitations, can't fit that many options on a menu screen, like, that's literally the excuse for anything. when they added the option to see tp levels on the party screen, they had to move the party bonus information to the social screen. PS3 LIMITATIONS.
>>345467890
PS3 limitationsNo idea if that's true or not but that's their excuse for everything
>>345463354
>Who thought this was a good idea?
Square
>>345468141
Or they can make them work with the skill queue
>>345468079
There's like a five second global cooldown, why would you need a macro?
I played this because of FFXI nostalgia. I didn't feel anything when I canceled my sub to this. Once you get to the end of a patch just quit until the next one comes out. Doing the end game content is a fucking drag.
>>345467890
Same reason they have extremely limited storage space and a 2.5 second GCD, because they're server cost jews
>>345463354
The storyline is the content though?
Kys wowfag, isn't your new expansion coming out sometime soon?
>>345467890
>constantly brag to poors in-game that I have 3 houses when they complain about all the new housing being bought up in 20 minutes
>Tell them I worked harder and deserve it more
>Maximum salt
>I don't even own a house
>>345468318
So I can get in more sleep during that 8 year GCD
>>345463354
>Why the fuck do I have to play through the base game to get to the expansion content? Why can't I just immediately skip to the endgame content?
>>345468091
I'm taking a long break from the game
plus its got all the memories I had while playing the game for a year - any other MMO enables the user to keep hold of shit like that. Like having a time capsule. But no, SE make you destroy half the furnishings in your house
>>345468229
If you could macro skills in a secuence paople would bind full combos to one single key. DRG would be played with 3 fucking keys that way and ninjas would macro mudra combinations to unleash the jutsu directly.
>>345468358
>Extremely limited storage
>Over 400 slots
C'mon man. Even if you're an omnicrafter like me you still have lots of space.
>>345468378
>Singleplayer is the content in this MMO
Yeah I'd actually prefer WoW over this garbage, and I have never touched WoW.
>>345467890
>>345468183
>>345468191
It's not PS3 limitations you retards. They don't want to pay for more instance servers.
>>345465671
>leave area
>sit through loading screen to get to new area
>there's no instancing
>>345468506
No you couldnt, because it would always use the first skill in the macro after the gcd is done. The game doesnt have castsequence as far as I know.
Unless they added a cooldown longer than the gcd to every skill in the combos.
>>345468473
Then pick up your furniture, sell your house and take a break from the game.
I mean if we want to go the 'other mmo' route, every other MMO with limited housing required you to pay rent in order to keep it. I'm surprised it took them this long to put in a relinquish system.
>>345468664
That's not how an instance works retard. An instance is a dungeon where there's a copy for everyone, a zone/town can't be a copy for everyone else.
>>345467007
Who the fuck thought positioning would be fun? It's fucking tedious.
Major mistake with the expansion was locking the new classes into it, instead of letting them be played from level 1.
Someone told me ffxi went f2p.
Steam page denies this
Is it still alive either way?
>>345468807
I think positionals make the game less boring.
>Press X to frontal backstab in WoW for full damage
>>345468621
Heavensward has more PVE content than WoD.
>>345468924
And that is relevant to the post your replied to how?
>>345468924
None of it is interesting though.
At least blizzard can somewhat keep the casuals in check, in FF XIV you have to share your hard earned gear with casual shitters two months after getting it.
>>345468914
Something like a backstabbing makes sense. By why do all of the monk abilities need positionals? None of them are like a backstab.
>>345468849
Define "Alive"
>>345468807
>Who the fuck thought positioning would be fun? It's fucking tedious.
Because staying still not moving and just pressing my 28 skills in perfect secuence would be boring as fuck. Positioning makes the game more fun and less static. People's always cryiing because the 2,5gcd maymay but they don't understand you have to move every 2 skills to strike in the correct position.
What the fuck were they thinking with all this ability clutter? How are controllerfags supposed to keep up with keyboard+mouse players? This is literally the worst game design ever in a MMO.
>>345467807
Wait, is that what that shit near the Astroligician's guild is? I thought I noticed some changed dialogue.
>>345469149
Actually I find it easyer to play with Controller.
Pic is NOT MY BUILD (is a bit retarded).
>>345468924
>more content than WoD
That is not a hard feat given they only had a patch or two before Legion release. Also:
>Weeping Shitty enjoyable after the first week
>Same 4-boss floors every even patch
>Implying A3S wasn't the last good boss fight since T9
I hope everyone is ready for their shitty patch tomorrow where everyone gets bored of PoTD within a day.
>>345469080
The whole point of Monk is to do the best single target damage in the entire game. But if you want to do that, you have to work for it. If you're lazy, go play Ninja. They attack as fast as Monk but have way less positionals/buffs to worry about, so to compensate they do the worst personal damage out of all melee DPS.
>>345469149
It's not that hard senpai, they did a pretty good job of making it work with a controller
t.controller shitter
>>345468924
>HW has more content than a game that hasn't updated in over a year
I'd fucking hope so
>>345469149
I find MNK much easier to play with a controller.
>>345469149
What?
You actually have less trouble binding everything on a controller,theres a fuckton of space with all the trigger modifiers,way easier than keyboard unless you have an mmo mouse
>>345469080
It could be argued that the kicks/punches you use are better suited to inflict maximum damage when hitting a specific area.
Although, I can't think of too many punches/kicks where maximum damage is applied at the rear.
>>345469291
>"work for it"
>easiest dps job in the entire gamet. monk main
>>345467986
The main story quest is YOUR story, not theirs.
The only reason it's a problem now is because of how much easier they made levelling up, removing the need to group up and redo instances.
>>345469451
It honestly is the easiest DPS class. You can literally do 1-2-3 and hit over 1K dps without using any other skills or even positionals.
Meanwhile if you fuck up the rotation of a BLM you're eating shit.
>>345469080
Dragoon is supposed to pierce on diferent spots of the enemy with the lance.
Monk is hitting diferent body parts with punches and kicks.
Ninja is based on speed and surprise strikes from the flank, rear and even the front.
It makes sense for me.
>>345469149
MNK is probably one of the classes with the least clutter, too.
>>345469451
Ninja is easier.
>70s greased lightning
>mainly pressing 1-2-3 with ogcds every 20-90s
>3 long debuffs (2 if you have a warrior in the group)
>>345469552
>The main story quest is YOUR story, not theirs.
Again, that's a pretty shit design in a game that's supposed to be an MMO.
But hah, not like game devs ever give a fuck about making a game suitable to its genre anymore.
>>345469587
>if you fuck up the rotation of a BLM
>John fucking Madden.
does anyone know if you can de-rank in the feast? like if I go below 900 will I drop back down to silver from gold?
>>345469587
Not only that, but the skill ceiling is probably the lowest. The only "depth" MNK has is knowing when to use fracture, and that's 1% of your dps or less.
Red Mage FUCKING WHEN?
>>345469587
I see Monks who do 1-2-3 and never move from one spot and they hardly do more damage than a Bard
>>345469698
>(2 if you have a warrior in the group)
And he's not fucking retarded.
>>345469451
You still have to make an effort to constantly move to do top damage.
Meanwhile Ninja can literally stay in one spot for an entire minute and it wouldn't affect their DPS at all.
>>345469801
my nigga
day -1 resub if they announce RDM
>>345469829
I parsed. I do 1100 damage without any cooldowns or positionals at iLevel 225.
They must be doing something wrong.
>>345469709
You would understand it if you played the game.
The first job is leveled up with the "single player" story, yes. But you have to do other multiplayer content to get enought exp like fates or dungeons.
Also every important part of the plot has a mandatory 4-man/8-man dungeon.
You never have the feeling that you are playing alone. It's just an MMO with cutscenes. The big mistake they did was locking zones in Heavensward and Yoshida said that was a problem they would solve in the future.
>>345469709
Well, no, that's just your opinion.
>it's online multiplayer so everything should involve other people!
Completely naive. How does is the act of running around doing fetch quests enhanced by having another person tagging along doing the exact same thing? There's literally no reason for that to need a group.
What is the fucking point of Machinist ammo having a duration? Monk Chakra and Scholar Aetherflow doesn't have a duration, why do bullets suddenly expire after 30 seconds? Is there an actual lore reason for this or are the game developers just stupid?
What's that MMO diseases called where you've quit a MMO and enjoyed your time with it but you played it for so long and so regularly that being away from it leaves a sad well inside your heart, beckoning you to return, but you never do because you remember all about the game and how it's no longer as fun as it was or ever will be as it did then?
>>345469149
>three rows of 12 easily accessible keys
Oh, sure, that's so many abilities.
>two palettes of 8 keys
>an additional extra two palettes of 8 keys
>the ability to quickly swap to another set of two palettes with their own sub-palettes if you set it up that way
>>345470330
Because they are bullets powered up with aether, and remember aether vanishes in a few seconds.
>>345470227
>FATEs
>Multiplayer
lol no.
>>345470237
Constantly splitting you up from other people you may be playing the game with is absolute shit multiplayer design. Are you an absolute blithering retard or do you suck SE's dick so hard you've forgotten what a real game is like?
>>345470474
It is called "realisation"
>>345469952
You're doing positionals consistently as you level monk so it's really not an issue at all.
>>345470474
The same with all MMO disease. Autism.
>>345466345
Final Steps of Faith is mandatory to progress in the story and people still wipe at the DPS check phase.
I've seen groups wipe not because they died to the adds or got cleaved by the monster in the middle, it was because their actual DPS was fucking horrible (Ninja dropping huton, Summoner doesn't even have pet out, Dragoon never has BotD up, etc).
I wish they would lock content behind SSS dummies. If you can't beat a dummy, you shouldn't even be attempting this fight.
>>345470474
In spanish we have an expression for that and Google Trans translated it as drug withdrawal
>>345470635
So why doesn't aetherflow vanish in a few seconds?
>>345470823
Curious, what's the word in Spanish?
>>345470679
>Doing post lvl 20 fates alone
Good luck.
>>345470823
What's the word? I sorta speak spanish and never heard of it.
>>345470815
Those skills aren't even required to pass the piss-easy DPS test. You can do 900 DPS with every DPS and 300 DPS with each tank and NO DPS from the healers, and still pass.
>>345470907
"tener mono de...". It's an expression.
>>345470904
B-because summoners can hold the aether on themselves and that's w-why they can summon egis.
>>345467764
I misunderstood what you meant. That doesn't keep it from being open world. It's no different than gta
>>345470914
Are you fucking serious? The FATEs even lower the difficulty to be doable for solo players when there's no FATE trains going on. And beyond that all you need is you chocobo out.
>>345469617
>Is supposed to
No. The positional combat is a remnant of an earlier design concept, where classes would operate optimally from specific ranges and positions
They never fleshed it out properly and the current incarnation is what we got instead. There was actually a lot of cool concepts in 1.0 that would have been neat if they were fleshed out properly. Shame the game got canned and they made WoW instead
So when are you guys quitting FFXIV?
>>345463952
Falseflagging autist.
>>345471124
Actually, yes; when the game stops you from being able to head to different areas of the world, it stops being 'open world'.
>>345471212
I quit a while ago. Waiting for XV and then Zodiac Age.
>>345471212
4.0 if it ends up being 2.0 mk3. And knowing these guys, it's going to be.
>>345470679
You're not doing the quests with them, you're doing them alongside them. I'm sorry you don't understand the distinction, or why it matters.
>>345468664
You're retarded, my man.
>>345470815
They just have to keep requeueing until they get carried. Also keep in mind that with each patch, gear makes these things even easier.
>>345471478
Yes I know you're not actually playing with other people when doing this MMO. That's the fucking point.
>>345471023
>You can do 900 DPS with every DPS and 300 DPS with each tank and NO DPS from the healers, and still pass.
Dude, you underestimate Duty Finder.
We're talking about people who stand in fire and have no concept of how well they are doing.
>>345467007
Its worse for DRG
>You really should keep heavy thrust up, its a free 15% boost to-
>Dont tell me how to play my job
>>345471212
If they don't add any new stats to gear in 4.0. Speed/Crit/Det are all the same fucking thing and unless you're a bard there's no reason to favor one over the other.
Wait, are Nin's that bad? I just recently got NIN up to level 60. Am I Fucked?
>>345468079
Youre fucking stupid
>/ac "Action 1"
>/wait GCDtime
>/ac "Action 2"
>>345471668
Wish there was something like this available for PS4 users. I have no idea if I'm doing any good at all as a Ninja.
>>345471668
>Drg died 3 times
like poetry
>>345470815
>Final Steps of Faith is mandatory to progress in the story and people still wipe at the DPS check phase.
How? I remember doing it the first day and it was almost impossible to fuck up the DPS check.
>Summoner doesn't even have pet out
As a SMN main this is hurting me more than it fucking should.
>>345471668
I do parse and am fully aware of how shit groups are.
At that level anyone who does below 1k dps is an unrelenting shitter.
>>345471668
>Dead 3
>Watch the job
>DRG
Never change FFXIV.
How do I git gud at crafting?
>>345471973
If nobody is calling you names on party chat you are ok.
>>345471973
Here you go familia
http://ffxiv.2digitalgames.de/
>>345471634
The point is that not everything requires other people, which is a good thing, because otherwise we'd have people stuck behind arbitrary barriers for no good reason except for "well it's an MMO, you play it with other people!". Story quests are almost the only thing in this game you're expected to do alone.
>>345471212
Back after I cleared the first chunk of Savage Alex, so sometime last year I think? I dunno the gear treadmill was just way too blatant for me at that point and I didn't care a ton about leveling crafting after I already slogged through gathering, or doing guild airship shit while I waited for more content to actually happen. So I just stopped logging in one day and didn't renew my subscription.
Oh, on the off chance Rok is reading this, sorry for vanishing, you were like the one cool guy in the guild.
What's the /v/ guild on Excalibur, and where is their FC house?
pic unrelated
>>345471863
NIN is good. They may have lower personal damage than Monk, but they make up for it by Trick Attack party dps contribution and their utility (dancing edge, goad, shadewalker, etc)
>>345463354
>hurrr I don't want 100 hours of content
Blizzdrones everyone.
>>345463354
Because the story wouldn't make sense otherwise? Idiot.
>>345472559
>100 hours of fetch quest and terrible translations
fixed
>>345471212
when 4.0 announces they aren't dropping PS3
So this October.
>>345471973
Get a PCfriend to parse you. Alternatively you could work it out from SSS dummies if you know their max HP. The "basic training" dummy has 164,960.
Why do people always care about accessing new expansions RIGHT NOW when they haven't played the base game yet?
Like, there's an entire game for you to enjoy and you just want to get to the expansion?
>>345471973
Get a friend on PC to parse your DPS for you
>>345468787
The zones in ffxiv are just big ass instances shared with all players. Its not open world if there are loading screens in the overworld. Deal with it retard.
>>345472238
LTW 50, CRP 50, CUL 34, WVR 50, BSM 50, GSM 54, ALC 50.
Think that's about it.
>>345472758
WoWfags have been conditioned that old content is bad and new content is good.
>>345472819
just stop posting
FFXIV will strangle itself to death because of the way its set up. I quit playing for a few months and tried to come back, and the amount of content I had to slog through just didn't feel worth it, and I haven't been back since.
I can't imagine I'm the only one, and it's only going to get worse.
>>345473027
how is content bad?
>>345473118
He's used to WoW.
>>345472758
Because an actual single player MMO is a slog I wouldn't wish on anyone.
If you could actually do the story instance shit as a group it'd be fine, but you can't. Shit gets real old real fast, especially since you HAVE to do it even if you level ahead of your story through dungeons or some shit, it's all just a bunch of shitty mini-instances and fetch quests.
I caught up right before Heavensward came out but imagine being a new player an expansion or two from now and having to play through all that shit.
>have to play the game to play the game
>>345473118
Sorry, I should have clarified, because content isn't a bad thing, but the way FFXIV is set up makes much of the content a chore before you can actually participate in the game with other players. I can't imagine a reasonable person defending that.
>>345472819
Except instances can't be modified when there are 0 players inside that area. For example, everyone in a group shares the same Sastasha instance but once everyone leaves then that Sastasha instance is forever gone.
Even when there's 0 players in North Thanalan, it doesn't disappear or stay static. There are still FATEs, gathering nodes, hunt monsters, and a weather cycle all doing their own thing despite having no players inside the zone.
>>345472649
>Still playing Heavensward on PS3
How?? How can you do that to yourself? My gosh get the pc version for 15 bucks or the PS4 one.
>>345473207
>I caught up right before Heavensward came out but imagine being a new player an expansion or two from now and having to play through all that shit.
This is why the game will die. It has nothing to do with how good a game FFXIV is - the game has no potential for drawing in new players in the attention span of a regular gamer.
>Want to do a 'social experiment' where I don't DPS during dungeons and count how often people complain about it
>Do this for 5 minutes
>Start feeling bad
>Start DPSing
How can you people even stand this?
>>345472474
There is no /v/ community on Excalibur is long dead. t. original master who migrated to Sargatanas with just as dead of a /v/ community.
>>345473449
My laptop has worse specs than PS3 and PS4 is still expensive where I live.
>>345472854
This. Gotta go fast and skip content.
>>345473207
>imagine being a new player an expansion or two from now and having to play through all that shit
Hell I have 4 characters at level 60. It is a pain and a bore but at least it's not doing the same 2 dungeons every day.
>>345473507
Th-Thanks
>>345472758
Because of WoW. Most of the MMOrpg players played WoW as firs MMO (like me) and they are used to the "RUN TO MAX LEVEL TO DO THE LATEST RAID!!!!" way of thinking. When you tell them in FFXIV you have to do a lot of pre-expansion content they will cry and not understand how is that allowed on an mmo.
I have seen people crying because "Titan Hard was so hard, why it was mandatory content".
There's a dragoon in my FC, guy is level 58 and he asks thursday night "how do I get a retainer"
>>345473642
>Making multiple characters in XIV
But why?
>>345473740
So you can ERP as multiple races and genders.
Also probably autism.
>>345473320
So you just told me its persistent instancing.
>>345473692
I wouldn't be complaining about the main story content if it was actually any good. The actual story part can be alright when it's not veering off into filler for 10 levels or a patch or two, but the gameplay parts of the story are almost never good. It's literally just the same quests as the rest of the game except with a lot more teleporting back to HQ, except you're not even allowed to play with friends for half of it.
It's not a matter of "rushing to endgame", it's slogging through a mountain of shit that you're required to go through to actually see the whole game.
>>345473818
Persistent zone ≠Instance zone
>>345473642
>Hell I have 4 characters at level 60
>>345474034
now you are just baiting. a zone can be instanced even if its persistent. Just move from one zone to another and tell me if there is a loading screen.
>>345473740
Different specializations for crafting, able to own more houses (I have 4), and I just get bored of doing endgame content sometimes so I'll log onto an alt.
>>345473812
This too.
Name a more comfy place than the Church of Saint Adama Landama.
Protip:You can't.
>>345473478
I tried doing this experiment and people notice right away and tell me to start helping or get kicked.
You can get away with not DPSing in a 24 man raid though. People don't notice it easily as they do in 4 man dungeons.
>>345474085
I also have another 4 at level 50.
>>345473715
How could you live without the space until level 58?
>>345473642
>I have 4 characters at level 60
>>345474212
>a zone can be instanced even if its persistent
that makes no sense
>>345474373
By throwing out shit that doesn't matter, namely almost everything (unless you're a crafter).
>>345474448
fucking idiot. its just an instance that doesnt close or end after you leave it.
>>345474448
It makes full sense. Game has persistent instanced areas shared with all the players.
Just like Azeroth and Outlands.
>>345474212
Then I suppose wow world is also persitent instanced, the instance is a lot bigger obviously, but you have for example, kalimdor and the eastern kingdoms as separate massive persistent instances...
>>345474673
You could say so.
Its really curious how ff-fags take wow as another example. Its almost like they didnt know any other games.
>>345474480
>By throwing out shit that doesn't matter
It all matters.
>>345474552
>>345474584
>>345474673
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instance_dungeon
>In massively multiplayer online games, an instance is a special area, typically a dungeon, that generates a new copy of the location for each group, or for certain number of players, that enters the area.
Traveling from Limsa Lominsa to Lower La Noscea doesn't generate a new instance
>>345474863
No, those 3 boar skins, 2 raptor skins and 3 diremite sinew you have in there can be tossed out.
>>345474974
Are you idiot? You searched INSTANCE DUNGEON retard. We were talking about instanced areas.
>>345474974
>typically a dungeon, that generates
>typically
its funny how you ignored a word for the benefit of your argument. Besides that article is about instance dungeons. Not instancing in general.
>>345475116
>reading comprehension
it doesn't have to be a dungeon retard
>>345474821
okay then I will use another example, Aion is the exact same as ff14 in that regard, you have bigger areas, totally separated, and even the abyss is all persistent instanced.
Guild wars 2 example is also easier, the zones are also really big but are still clearly separated by portals, you can even swim to another zone, you have to step in the portal to move.
Im using wow as an example because its the most common mmo to talk aboutwow-fag
>>345474974
>Traveling from Limsa Lominsa to Lower La Noscea doesn't generate a new instance
BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT YOU IDIOT.
>>345475194
>>345475141
t. dumbass jits who can't comprehend
>>345475176
All of those games have instanced worlds.longest time i've ever subbed to wow was 2months and even that was a mistake
>>345475176
Here's an example of an actual zone-instance.
>Overworld zone 1 is full
>Zone 2 is included to handle the overload
Guild Wars 2 had that as well so yes, it's an instanced MMO.
Why do WoWfags post in FFXIV threads instead of playing WoW?
An instance creates a copy of a place for every different party.
Zones aren't instances. That's like calling Skyrim's open world an instance because there are loading screens between towns.
>>345475464
With that argument, then both wow and ffxiv share the same type of world structure, because neither of them creates a copy of an overworld zone even if its really packed with people.
>>345475515
because those two are the biggest mmos right now
>>345463354
>2.5s GCD IS TOO SLOW, THIS HAS TO BE THE SLOWEST FINAL FANTASY GAME EVER
>WHY MUST I PLAY THROUGH A 100+ HOUR STORY IN A GAME SERIES KNOWN FOR LONG STORIES?
>>345475194
>>345475141
itt braindead autists who don't understand what the word "instanced" means
all of you need to neck yourself immediately
>>345472474
The only /v/ FC I know of is Golden Ratio <ZR> on Ultros.Because I'm in it.
>>345471941
you can add <waitGCDtime> at the end of an action so the wait time doesn't take up a line on it's own. Don't remember if you need to add a space after wait or a . but it works like this as well.
>>345475838
This'll really blow your mind. I throw shit out if it's worth less than 2k gil in total.
>>345476052
Not him, but I refuse to throw out glamour items. I worked hard to collect them. Some of these items also have very expensive dyes on them (pure white dye goes for 400k per on my server)
Really wish this game had a glamour log.
>>345469952
>entire minute
And here we have someone who doesn't actually play ninja.
DRG or NIN?
>>345476378
WOW HOLY SHIT DUDE NICE, THIS IS TOTALLY NOT A FISHY AS FUCK SITE.
>>345470474
abstience
>>345476352
guess again nigga
>>345463354
>why can't I join in late and start with all the new stuff
Get cancer, kid.
>>345474239
Mist
>>345476327
I understand the glamour game, but you have 25 slots for each item in armory. It can still be spicy to work with... but to be honest, if you haven't worn an outfit in 6 months, is it really that important?
I'm not asking if it pleases your autism, but I know a lot of people who play the glamour game and I see them wear an outfit for 2 weeks before moving on to the next.
The best was this person who was saving up for a house, and then buys a 6 million gil helmet, and I've never seen them wear it again.
>>345475901
I find it funny that people seriously complain about the game being slow.
Were people really expecting Devil May Cry combat in a turn based series?
>>345475515
+13 months with no content. THey have literally nothing to do at this point.
>>345476723
Uhhh... isn't FFXIII and forward heavily action oriented?
>>345476819
Nope. The only "action" oriented FF will be XV and it's just "hold one button and the game plays by itself".
>>345476638
Do you still refresh huton with ninjitsu or something
>>345476819
FFXIII is still turn based and even FFXV still has "wait" periods.
>>345476947
>>345476907
Fair enough. Legit never played them but they LOOKED like they weren't turn based anymore.
>>345476921
yes
I'm the same ninja who uses doton on single targets
>>345476496
MNK
>>345476496
I'd say DRG. Probably the best melee DPS.
>>345477646
haha no really, DRG or NIN?
>>345477732
MNK
>>345477732
NIN for gotta go fast and utility
DRG if you're slow but like big numbers
Both are not a bad choice
>>345476723
>Game is too slow waaah
>Wait why is no one talking at all during dungeon runs
>>345465997
underrated post
>>345477732
>repeating my question
this game is really grossly average for me at this point and I really only play it to raid, which gets dull within the first hour.
That being said the game leading up to the endgame is actually very fun to play.
I really hope the next expansion brings some interesting classes because they really fucked up with the new classes on HW, especially the new healer.
>>345478910
>I really hope the next expansion brings some interesting classes
How can it? They pigeonholed themselves with extremely basic jobs. Please look forward to the next WAR or BLM/SMN clone.
>>345478910
There's nothing wrong with AST
I did it.
>>345466220
>>345463767
>Scholars can do great damage and I'm barely taking any damage so feel free to enter Cleric Stance and dps.
>I almost die over and over because the guy tries healing in CS.
>In the end he drops it and never enters it again.
>Lvl 53 Scholar.
What the fuck? What has he been doing up until that point? He clearly cross-classed CS but he never even touched it or read the tooltip?
>>345479140
Plenty is wrong. I was interested in the mehanical concept of the class when it got first announced and I'm honestly very disappointed with the sect mechanic.
It just makes me afraid that the next healer will also be stanced based and just another clone for the most part but with a different gimmick to astros.
Re-watching the MNK cutscenes, I realize this man is great.
>>345479140
The class works sure, in either sect contrary to what people would say, the real problem lies in its design.
Theres almost nothing that differentiates it from WHM, even when on nocturnal sect. It would have been better if they made it into its own thing rather than try to fit both healer concepts into one.
>Tfw wanna try other classes out.
>Already a really good MCH so I know I'd be a nuisance on other groups if I play. Aither class instead of MCH.
Suffering.
>>345479735
God forbid we have a healing class with smart heals.
>>345463952
>FF14
>Huge
>Open
It's tiny and has invisible walls everywhere because of consolesmore like devs being lazy and shit, Heavensward is SLIGHTLY better but not that much. Fuck even Cata era WoW has bigger zones with more reason to explore.
>>345480003
>Lightspeed
>Cards
>Gravity
>Time Dilation/Celestial Opposition
>>345480245
MCH is a lot of fun though anon, probably the only class that I actually enjoy playing.
Tried to get into FFXIV little before HW as WoW player since Vanilla but just couldn't deal with the slow, boring and floaty mechanics..
> 2.5s GCD
> Even instants off the GCD cant be used together without spamming the buttons
> Slow ass fading in and out danger markers on the floor that don't correspond to the actual dangers
> 100+ latency because EU servers were actually located in the US (fixed now I believe?)
I dunno... it really felt like I was controlling my character like a puppet on string, with delay, compared to the intuitive direct control of my characters in WoW
>>345480792
>Does relic quest
>Doesn't DPS
What is even the point, then? To overheal more?
>>345463354
this game has far bigger problems then that
lets start with
It's a WoW clone in 2016
It's instanced everywhere
Its graphics are outdated
Its design team has no creativity
Its combat is one of the worst of any MMO
Its GCD is 2.5s
Its endgame a bigger theme park than WoW
Its world is small and linear
It has a subscription in 2016
It has a cash shop on top of a subscription
It has the worst playerbase of any MMO
Its boss fights are entirely scripted and linear
Its boss fights consist of a circular platform in a room
It has zero class depth whatsoever, every single class is the exact same thing
It has no interesting gear
Its gear consists of boring stats like crit and attack speed
It has gated content and drawn out content to make the most money possible
It has almost no side activities worth doing
Its a cross-platform game where you share it with braindead consoleplebs
Its being held back by consoles
Its combat and content is designed with consoles in mind
Its so boring I got bored even thinking about it
>>345476723
I've seen people come into multiple MMO threads and complain that the gameplay isn't twitch-based, Devil May Cry style combo oriented combat.
I don't know what these people expect. Final Fantasy has never been that type of game except for a bad spinoff or two, and MMOs with a large open world can't really adopt that style of gameplay without it being incredibly watered down.
>>345480971
To enjoy the game in an inefficient manner I suppose. Zero raid gear on them, so they probably don't give a shit about their dungeon runs taking 5 minutes longer.
>>345475515
They're called WoWfugees because they realize WoW is a dying game, so they jump ship to the only other active subscription MMO on the market.
>>345480491
Heavensward zones are bigger than WoW zones
>>345471212
Halfway through the MSQ of HW. I just stopped playing after reaching the gobbie town and couldn't be bothered to log back in for the next 3 weeks of my sub.
>>345467007
I try to always queue things with enough player to kick people. And yeah refusing to learn is a good enough reason to kick someone.
>>345480792
>Have damage spells
>REEEEEEE I DONT WANT TO DPS
Does everyone not pay attention to the conjurer story?
>>345481058
God, why were 1.0's cutscenes so much better than ARR's?
>>345481127
Easy when the entire map is filled with invisible walls and is instanced
>>345481298
They think she was in the right, I suppose.
Alright, let's do this.
>>345468807
Positionals have real gameplay impact. Your tanks, you and the rest of the group have to work in tandem to maximize the use of positionals in most fights.
But yeah if you don't like this concept just don't play a fucking monk. Ninjas and dragoons have positionals but much, much less.
>>345480792
Reminds me of that one Dark Knight who tried to convince me that they are a DPS job but they also happen to be a off tank.
>>345466345
>and SE expects the community to teach people how to actually play.
This is fine, the real issue is whenever you try to help someone or give them a tip it's always "UHHHH? I DIDN'T ASK YOU! IT'S MY SUB I'LL PLAY HOW I WANT ELITIST" and then Nidhogg story mode times out or vote abandons.
>be BRD
>do nothing
>get top DPS
YOSHI
>>345480792
Okay so once tanks secure hate they should just put away their weapon too, right? Fucking retards.
>>345469291
You know nothing about ninjas if you think that they are just basically a easier to play but lesser class. Most composition will take a ninja over a monk because of its utility.
>>345480792
Watch 4.0 remove Clerics stance in an attempt to make it 'easier' for scrubs to DPS and trying to entice them to do so as a result.Wouldn't surprise me if 4.0 ditches the current attribute system and just has a 'Power' attribute with VIT for HP, PIE for MP. The fact they had to band-aid the stats twice now shows their lack of foresight in rushing this reboot.
>>345481381
95% Cinematography. Even the 'simple' shit looks good because of the camera work.
>Leveling BLM
>Seems boring
>Get firestarter
>tfw
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is the greatest game of all time
I am definitely enjoying my time with Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward. My favorite part is how much fun it is.
Square Enix is a great company.
Don't forget to vote for Hillary Clinton in November.
>>345481640
A good monk contributes as much personal DPS to make up the party DPS loss for not bringing a NIN.
t. NIN/MNK main
>>345481381
Because they were made using mocap, which costs a fortune.
ARR's cutscenes are largely just models using already existing animations, like emotes.
>>345476921
huton is 70 seconds long
staying in the rear for 60 seconds is possible.
>>345481127
What? No!
>>345479335
>5 mounts
bruh
>>345481459
Good thing I belong in an FC with three statics farming A8S weekly and selling runs.
>>345481381
They spent most of the budget on graphics, mocap, and audio but forgot to leave some money leftover to make the rest of the game good.
>no asses
>small tits on almost everyone with no option to make them larger
>all that slut gear out there accentuates absolutely nothing, it's just cloth hanging off cutting boards
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is better than World of Warcraft.
It is better because it is so much more fun.
Square Enix is a great company and always delivers great games.
>>345481814
Why would you wait until the last possible second to use armor crush?
>>345481683
I'm pretty sure 1.0 used less canned animations too, half of ARR's cutscenes are made start to finish with standard emotes. They look like fanmade machinima most of the time.
>>345482059
grait bait
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is a great game.
I have gotten all my friends to enjoy it because it is so much fun.
Square Enix always hooks people in with their fun games.
>>345482059
>>345482216
Fuck off falsefag.
>>345481459
I play on Exodus
>>345482085
why not? as long as you're not dropping buffs or debuffs you're fine.
>>345482085
Depends of the situation and the fight.
One example would be maybe it's optimal to use as much Aeolian edges as possible in the first minute, to benefit all the cds from everyone.
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is a very successful game.
It is successful because it is fun.
Square Enix always makes successful games.
I look forward to their next game.
>>345481692
>Get to 60
>Entire rotation changed
>>345482113
1.0 has plenty of canned animation cutscenes, but the matter of fact is they're cutscenes with proper camera work (not constant still cams with straight cuts like ARR), and it doesn't have NPCs phase in and out of existence in fucking view of the camera.
That said, on the mo-cap front, even the Echo scenes in 1.X had more work into them than the ones ARR had, where only the battle at Carteneau scene got 'some' attention.Snaaaaaaake
>>345481883
I haven't been playing long, haven't done MSQ past The Ultimate Weapon and I'm not actively trying to get mounts. I just really wanted Fenrir.
>complains about grinding
>mmorpg
Don't play mmorpgs if you don't wanna grind
Everybody enjoys Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward because it is fun.
Square Enix consistently makes fun games.
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is currently the most enjoyed game of all time.
>>345482643
>Get to 70.
>Another buff to keep up.
>Another spell locked behind a bunch of shit.
>Now actively give hp back to the boss every time you have take a step.
>>345481969
>New expansion announces they are not adding new races
>Instead, everyone is getting body sliders (ass, hips, thighs) and more character customization features (more face types, haircuts, etc)
>Preorder the expansion for a limited time and get one FREE Fantasia
Would you be okay with this?
>>345481969
>all that slut gear
lol wut? There's 8 outfits total that are 'slutty' out of hundreds.
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is a very rewarding experience.
Everybody who plays it finds it exciting and fun.
Square Enix really knows how to please every type of gamer.
>>345483023
I'd be more than okay with this, Au'ra were a waste. I don't want to see any new races, they don't actually add anything. It's tantamount to adding cash shop fluff.
>>345483023
>Instead, everyone is getting body sliders (ass, hips, thighs) and more character customization features (more face types, haircuts, etc)
This include a muscle slider? I think I deserve some fucking abs at least.
>>345483023
>Put on any piece of gear
>It ignores the new sliders because clipping concerns
>>345482662
godamm that cutscene is so interesting I almost want to play 1.0 to see the story behind it
>this blatant falseflagger
Autism.
>>345483432
Hello friend, are you enjoying Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward?
>>345481459
Bingo!
>>345483581
yes, best MMO ever.
>>345483581
I'm enjoying Raya-O.
>>345471212
They asked me this when I tried to unsub
>>345483757
Patrician taste. Legit the best girl in the whole game.
>>345483023
Give me my thigh slider already.
>>345473478
>notice the healer isnt dpsing
>pull more to make him work for it
>tank dies from no healing
>healer tries to make an excuse that war isnt a good tank at 50
>hes an astro
>>345480550
The buff mechanic is lackluster and doesn't have a big impact.
Time dilation is basically a part of the buff mechanic.
Celestial oppostion is just an extension of luminiferous aether since there is zero reason to not use them together, ever, and LE is just a longer shroud of saints.
Gravity is literally just Holy, except worse.
Lightspeed is basically their form of aoe snap heals, excet it sucks hard. So its not much different fundamentally to what SCH and WHM have.
The only thing the class has other than the failed buffs that is actually unique to it is Synastry.
>>345480981
>I never played FFXIV so let's put all the maymays I found on internet an let's make a list with all them.
>>345484258
Buff mechanic is not lackluster if you know how to time them right. Enhanced spear can shave off 60-90s off some cooldowns. 5% damage increase for everyone in DPS check phases is literally a huge party DPS boost.
Celestial Opposition and Time Dilation boosts card potential even further.
Gravity can be cast at a distance and it doesn't cause diminishing return stuns (also fuck you WHMs for AoE stunning mobs when I got blood price on as DRK)
I understand that people were disappointed that AST became a WHM/SCH hybrid, but the job is literally OP right now. They have been getting nonstop buffs since they were introduced and now they are overtuned.
>>345483432
I want to cream pie Raya-O so she gets accidentally pregnant with my child and dies in labor!
>>345480986
>large open world
>xiv
>>345482643
it's even worse.
>Have the same rotation from lvl30 to lvl59
>"Ok so maybe they have been training me so I know my rotation 100% at max level"
>Reach 60
>Remember the rotation you used the last 59 lvls? It's useless now...have fun with Enochian.
>>345484185
I usually never encounter bad players in dungeons other than the ocassional newbie or bad dps, but the other night I encountered a really bad group as a healer.
They all seemed to queue together, the tank pulled the entire first room of sor
, after 1 minute of nonstop healing on this squishy ass drk, i run out of cooldowns and the tank eventually dies. i notice everything is at about 70% health and nothing died. Both dps were at sub 800. They all blamed it on me.
I seriously don't know how to respond in situations like these, I just logged off and played something else due to how sour I was.
>>345484804
please look forward to 4.0 zones
>>345481459
Don't forget something along the lines of: "Our goal is to have fun and help each other!"
>>345485028
1.0's Coerthas was THE FUCKING WORST area of the god damn game. So glad they changed it for the better.
>>345485028
imagine trying to navigate this without a mount
>mfw nothing changes into 4.0 but it doesn't matter because everyone keeps subscribing to it anyway
FFXIV is fucking trash
but after a month of playing WoW, I can easily say that FFXIV is still fucking better than this normalfag piece of shit, both are brainless and casaul as fuck though
>>345485459
A lot of people have quit. Yoshi stopped getting away with rehashing the same shit again and again after he had the gall to charge extra for it in HW.
>>345485483
>brainless and casual as fuck
you mean like every MMO made after 2004?
>>345485459
What do you think the new tomestones will be called? Do you think the gear will look worse?
>>345485581
>A lot of people have quit
and tons of people (WoWrefugees) joined to take their place
>>345485592
What MMOs before 2004 weren't brainless and casual as fuck?
>>345484724
>buff mechanic is not lackluster if you know how to time it right
>time
>rng
>uses fucking spear on anything other than themselves
>5% damage increase on everyone is a huge dps boost
probably the only thing you're right about and its still lack luster because 1. Rng so its inconsistent and you can't depened on it 2. Getting off one buff combo is every 1 minute
>using celestial opposition on anything other than LE
Kill yourself
>gravity can be cast at distance
So?
>wahhh holy ruined my cd usage
Why are you giving an opinion on a role you don't even play? Holy is used for a reason, it stops damage on the tank for as long as the stun is unresisted on top of doing huge amounts of aoe damage. Why are you even Using that cd when the whm is spamming holy?
>AST are OP
Oh I see this entire post was bait. Theres no way anybody would think the weakest healer is OP.
>>345481528
>DF still has trouble clearing Nidhogg when it pops up in roulette
Fucking hell. Literally the only thing you have to do is dodge AoEs, kill one (ONE) set of adds and stack during the third phase. Ravana was more complicated than this.
>>345485592
Archeage wasn't but it went P2W at release
at least FFXIV looks nice, pretty sure its the visuals and audio why the game is popular
>>345485668
Tomestones of Ethnic Cleansing
Gear will continue to be very hit and miss with the same design shared among multiple classes.
>>345485727
AST is literally a better WHM, deal with it nerd. All serious savage farm groups take AST over WHM. The only reasons to take a WHM over an AST is if you can't find a good AST or you're still wiping on progression.
>>345485483
>normalfag piece of shit
You know that WoW is infinitely more popular than FFXIV, right?
It has a much larger cultural impact. Everyone knows what "world of warcraft" is. Shit, there was a fucking movie recently.
>>345485697
FFXI
Star Wars Galaxies
MUDs
>>345485949
Never mind, my reading comprehension is apparently terrible.
>>345486001
Never played either of those so I'll take your word for it, but Everquest, Asheron's Call and UO were casual as fuck back in the day.
>>345485885
>4.0 simplies armor down to three styles w/ varying colours
>One for all tanks, one for all physical dps, one for healer/casters
>>345484557
Triggered.
go to wow if you want a work simulator, this is a final fantasy game in the end, they actually care at least a little bit about story
>>345486139
Nigga they do this already.
>>345485727
>I never raided with AST in 3.3 so let me just shit on them based on what I saw from 3.0
>>345486242
Currently DRG gets its own token equipment.
>>345482643
>>345484836
Once you master the rotation tho sweet lawd Jesus is BLM fun. The only annoying part is getting Thundercloud procs and not being able to cash them in because it fucks your rotation up.
All they have to do to fix the gear in this game is add job exclusive sets which have set bonuses like WoW
>>345485885
I was hoping for some nice full plate in HW. Sadly dragon dungeon heavy armor was ass and the rest has some obsession with coats while end game gear is usually a clusterfuck squenix ingenuity. Here's hoping for some decent sets in 4.0.
>>345486550
>Ala Mhigo
>full plate
Enjoy tanking in leather strap armor
>have a 3 months long break from FFXIV, 10 months from SWTOR, 2 year break from WoW
>resub to WoW 2 days ago
>already bored of it and thinking about going back to FFXIV to play through 3.3
>simply knowing I just spent money on WoW forces me to play it even though I hate it
does anyone here know this feel? the ride never ends
>>345486675
>leather strap
>not just a dickbelt and nothing else
You give them too much credit, anon.
>>345486675
Don't forget turbans and even more coat armor
>>345486286
>>345485905
I main SCH, I could care less about a WHM's feelings. I got the other 2 at 60 as well though, and I switch around often whenever I'm not raiding with my main group. I like playing AST better than WHM, I still think WHM is better.
Also any fucking AST that is using celesial opisition for aoe buffs or god forsake fucking regens instead of LE is a goddamn shitter bringing their group down. The only time CO is used for increasing buff timers is if it synerizes with you using LE.
>healer gear is just caster gear
>>345486827
>dickbelt
>it has better stats than whatever bullshit blessed Eikon High Allagan Champion of Light armor that came before it
Okay, so I was going through a dungeon when I noticed the other DPS (with a crown and hammer icon) was wearing only a few pieces of gear.
Literally what did they mean by pic related?
>>345486965
>caster gear is just healer gear dyed black
>>345486914
lightspeed cooldown is timed just right with CO if you use spear on yourself. there's no reason to not use lightspeed when CO is up. same with aoe cards
>>345484175
How often does she actually come up in the game though?
>>345485015
What a waste of a seemingly good artist.
>>345487035
>High Al Mhigan Dickbelt of Striking
In the end, the degenerates always wint. degenerate
>>345487335
Not enough. About... 3, 4 times I think. Unless you go through the WHM quests.
>>345487335
More times in 1.0 as part of actual msq instead of been relegated to the CNJ ho' in ARR.
>>345487538
>WHM
Is healing really as braindead easy as everyone here says it is?
>>345487302
Spear'd LS is 135 and CO is 108. Not sure how those are timed just right.
Also
>using cards on yourself
>using spear
>>345487696
At lvl60 you spend more time not healing than you do healing, unless you're a shitter.
>>345486914
you can still use CO without LE, AST MP regen is already stupid OP thanks to all the buffs they got and not even taking into effect ewer card.
>>345468404
>part of a crafter linkshell
>don't really make that much money but this is like the elite of the elite marketboard kikes and super crafters
>kek every time they mention spending 50-100 mil on mats just to up the market prices
The 1% is real.
Like, if I feel something is underpriced or just want to jack up mb prices to sell something I mention it in the LS and a bunch of these fags buy it all up and reprice it stupid high. Then I put my shit up slightly lower.
>>345487747
non enhanced spear LS is 120s, CO is 96s
assuming spear expires before you cast CO (maybe you want to wait for LE to come off CD just in time), they are the same cooldown.
>>345487696
If you just heal, yeah. Same with DPS classes - if you just use a single skill, it's pretty braindead.
>>345487830
If you have above 25m gil, you're part of the 1%. People are ridiculously poor.
>>345488157
>tfw 28 million Gil
I still feel pretty poor
>>345487696
You stand there and wait for people to get hurt. If everyone does their job, only one guy actually gets hurt. And his defense is usually so high you only have to fire off one heal maybe every 10-15 seconds. Often you don't even have to do that because each healer glass gets a spell(s) that regenerate so you don't have to do shit for 30 seconds.
So you either stand around, gyrating your hips holding your staff...or you wade into the fray and start throwing huge rocks, biting gales of winds or unleashing explosions of holy energies.
Its only braindead to fools who only want to heal. If your mp is at 100%, you're doing it wrong.
Who's on Siren server here?
>>345488157
The most gil I ever had sitting on my character was 7 million.
I used that gil to buy a small house, worth it.
>>345471668
>None over 1k
>DRG died three times
>>345488352
Well keep in mind that's a Balmung mindset. If you're on other servers, then the tipping point is more like 70+m.
>>345469451
It's true though, but he's retarded.
MNK dps optimization isn't about rotation as much as it is understanding the fights so goddamn well you predict the exact moments to blow tornado kick, or risk keeping GL3 without using it based on your current rotation sequence, and finding spots to build up forbidden chakra and keep at third form when a boss comes back down/make the initial pull/etc.
MNK is a class about managing retarded mechanics and how the content will ALWAYS try to fuck you. Most of the time when other people get "rests" in a fight a MNK has to be actively using abilities to keep up optimized dps. There's also stuff in relation to being a team player to bring actual utility, such as when to use mantra, when to use your second wind to self heal, when to swap to earth fist momentarily to eat damage, etc.
>>345488670
I have 120m on my server and I reached the point where there's no point in making any more gil. Anything I need I can buy mats for, craft, then craft an extra to sell to cover the cost of the mats and then some.
>>345488801
You could always donate your gil to the poor. There's some new leafs out there who can't afford new leveling gear for an alt class or crafters who are too poor to level them up through leves.
honestly guys, is FFXIV unironically a better game than WoW? I remember both feeling like work at max level, they didn't have that atmosphere which made you feel like you're a part of a living, virtual world. It was all lobby-based and playing them felt like reading a checklist.
I would like to have a good MMO to play but it just doesn't feel possible anymore.
>>345488801
Hell I'm at that point, too. 4 airships, 3 houses, 120m gil, 2 crafters with specialization and in full ironworks... and yet I haven't actually LOST any money.
I don't even have to fucking craft anymore. One of my airships brought in 2m gil worth of materia today.
>>345466345
this
it does not really help that the game is way too easy at the start it is a fucking bore and never pushes the player
>>345488157
>People are ridiculously poor.
I don't really understand why or how. I have like 22 million gil and I'm not even trying to make money. This is just selling random stuff that I find in my character's inventory at the end of the day when I clean up. I do craft/gather but I'm focusing solely on levelling those. Its not like I go out and make stuff to sell or anything.
>>345488970
Not him but I do this.
I like to make sprouts roleplay having a back-alley knife fight in Ul'dah.
>>345487747
>using spear
Until I rolled AST recently I literally didn't realize what it did. Now I laugh anytime it gets cast on me, because it's so bad.
>>345489197
Spear is actually really underrated. Try doing some math and parse analysis on FFlogs. Spear can literally save wipes or make record parses.
>>345484258
Yeah give enhanced arrow to a BLM and ask him if it's lackluster.
Lightspeed is one of their best cooldowns and the reduced mp cost helps a lot.
And Gravity might not stun but at least you don't have to be inside a the mobs to cast it.
>Be rich in FFXIV from crafting
>'friend' is poor
>'friend' offers to 'fund me' with 1 million gil, and I get 50% of the profit (I make 2 mil that means they get 1.5m, I get .5m)
Why would anyone agree to this unless they didn't have 1m gil?
>>345485028
Fuck it STILL pisses me off that we don't have any more Coerthas regions. The "Unpassable" Griffin Crossing? Bull fucking shit, I'm the WoL, you mean to tell me I can't walk over some fucking rubble and go to the Eastern Lowlands? Give me more Coerthas regions damn it!
>>345488981
>>345488970
Honestly just waiting for the day they implement timecards, and then I'll blow a few mil to not have to pay for the game ever again.
>>345486675
>Harnesses and leather straps
Yes fucking please. I am tired of skirts and robes: the expansion.
>>345488978
The truth is that no MMO feels like a real living world. That's just an idealistict fantasy that will never come true, fueled by nostalgic memories of old WoW players.
>>345487765
>>345488157
>>345488364
Thanks a lot. Will I need to do some keybinding or is clicking on party members to target them fine?
>>345489497
Given we have central/western, and the new PVP zone is part of eastern, I doubt we'll ever see more of Coerthas.
>>345488981
How the fuck do you even get to that point? I have all crafters and gatherers at 60 and i still can't make fucking money. Even if i craft fucking 6 hours a day the max i can make it a 300k~ profit.
>>345488157
Seriously? Jesus I had like 30 million gil before I stopped playing like last year and I was just working on leveling crafting. That's just money I made from selling assorted gathering shit.
You get the moogle dance yet anon?
>>345487302
Lightspeed reduces your damage.
CO is only five seconds boost, this js only good on resource buffs so it is LITERALLY a waste to use it on anything other than LE. CO also shares a CD with LE.
>using fucking spear
Kill yourself
>>345489784
Ixali for T4 craft/gather materia that is still worth gil. Diadem for fishing dinosaurs for easy dosh.
Craft a bunch of misc HQ stuff that's used for daily turn-ins that people pay way too much gil for. Eventually you'll work your way up in profit to the point of investing in better gear to craft things worth more gil.
>>345489497
I'm already tired of Coerthas, the whole expansion was mainly set there.
I want to visit Gyr Abania already
>>345486914
>pseudo dps trying to discuss about healers
Go back to cleric stance and leave this discussiob to real healers kid.
>>345489197
Spear is only bad without communication because "oh thanks for that cooldown reduction when I have no cooldowns or only one".
But with communication it can become godly. "I'm about to pop 5 cooldowns, do you have a spear ?"
>>345489310
>lightspeed is one of the best cooldowns
To bad its on such a big timer, otherwise you'd have an argument.
>>345488978
Its the people that make it a living world. If you're just lonelyfaging through, it will always feel lifeless.
I play because of the people who play with me. I don't know any of them in real life, but we have fun doing stuff together. Every day someone needs to do a coil turn, or we try savage alexanders, or we just do roulettes and try off the wall stuff in dungeons.
The fact that new content comes out every 3 months is a bonus.
>>345489984
>no argument
Sasuga anon. You must be crying right about now.
>>345489784
Updates. When HW came out I had a week's vacation so I made about 55m that week off new crafting mats.
Then there were red scrip items. 200k+ per item. probably about 40m.
Then diadem came out and that was another 10m or so.
But yeah crafting can still be profitable. Also, I've been playing for a year and a half.
>>345489784
They're lying
They just rmt
>>345489310
Arrow will really only make a difference when theybare under ley lines.
Its why arrow buffs and selene are actually good on mnks and nin but it kills their tp
>>345490190
I remember the 200m I made off of Zodiac HQ items in 2.5 because I was one of the few on my server with CRP/ALC/BSM desynth.
>>345489497
Whats that, you want more Dravania and bagpipes?
>>345489993
No spear is bad on anything that isn't yourself or the tank.
Reduced cd usage isn't going to help your dps when their rotations are set.
>>345490052
that's why spear is a thing
120s with normal spear
105s with enhanced spear
add in CO and you got 15s of lightspeed every 120s or 105s, it may not sound good on paper but it's a huge deal since fights in this game are based around tankbusters and scripted sequences.
>>345490117
does FFXIV encourage grouping and socializing with other players more than WoW?
>>345485905
>cleared 5 seconds faster
AST is better on paper, but realistically by the time you can consider taking one after you no longer need the brute healing force of WHM, it no longer matters.
I play on Faerie and this server is terrible.
I can't make up my mind on where to go, but I'd prefer to avoid legacy servers and gilgamesh. Any suggestions?
>>345490391
Probably the only decent thing to come out of specialization.
I can't wait to go balls deep in deep dungeons!
>>345490924
Please stop this argument. CO cooldown is shared with LE, even if you use it with spear and lightspeed there is no reason to sacrifice enhanced LE for a few more seconds of lightspeed.
You don't need that much effect time of lightspeed, you really only hse it for certain things for one or two healing spells and thats it.
>>345463952
what do you gain by exploring?
and isn't the world instanced and not open world?
>>345490973
you're forced to group up to progress in the story
novice network encourages people to talk to each other for gameplay advice, grouping up for dungeons/fates, or just posting dank memes
>>345489304
The thing is, spear would be great if it were consistent, but as a dps if you throw that shit on me when shit is on CD what am I supposed to do? This happens so often.
What the fuck, why do Au Ra horns look like Taurus horns?
>>345491251
learn what a instance is first
>>345463952
>cant swim
>instanced
>invisible walls literally everywhere
>""""""exploration""""""
>>345491493
that's why AST shines in a savage raiding environment where voice chat communication is key. you can hold spears and coordinate with your dps to take full advantage of it, especially if you got MCH or NINs in your group. They will love you for it since it cuts their mudras and reload CDs considerably.
>>345491421
>you're forced to group up to progress in the story
I don't mean group finder/LFR shit though (nobody talks there anyway), more like manually finding people, socializing, being a part of the community etc.
>>345463354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0V8w4o-zRE
>>345471212
Probably after I get bored of deep dungeon.
>>345489497
They needed more snow themed regions in HW. Fuck Dravania
>>345491680
manually finding people makes dungeons go by faster instead of relying on df
socializing and making friends in the community can prove useful in getting you places (savage raiding, high end crafting, etc)
>>345491012
Cactuar
>>345491661
>buffs are still not reliable
Sorry, I'll never bother playing it.
>>345492013
every buff is reliable even if you have to royal road it
>>345492092
I dont think you understand what reliable means, anon. Your post would make sense if I was saying cards are worthless or something.
>>345491876
ok
should I play Warrior or DK? which one has more things going on and doesnt get boring too fast at max level? I looked at Paladin and it doesnt really suit me
>>345492251
What I mean is that every buff AST has is reliable. People tend to forget that you can hold cards, redraw a different one, and that combinations of cards (enhanced, extended, etc) are a bigger deal than they look.
>>345492527
You can play any class in the game on one character, so you aren't limited to just one.
You can't start off as a Dark Knight, so Warrior is your next best bet.
>>345492527
You can't start as a Dark Knight so just go Warrior. You can always change classes later.
>>345492553
You can also never see an entire balance card in a single run. Even if it's likely you still will, it's also still based on chance and not secure in the sense of knowing you'll have rampart back in 90 seconds, or inner beast after you finish your next maim combo. Sure, its dynamic and maybe you find it fun, but in a game where everything is scripted, RNG cards are bad game design.
Where do you even unlock Deep Dungeon?
>>345493130
Don't forget PLD to 22 for Provoke at the least.
>>345493191
Wait for the update notes where it spells out everything as it usually does?
>>345492527
DRK or some people call it oGCDknight, because you have tons of offgloballs besides your normal saves and mana management. Warrior is not that much better than pld, but has more planing involved. Stance dancing is somethong every tank can do and not really exclusive to war.
>>345493187
It's either RNG cards or get rid of cards entirely because consistent cards would make AST more OP than they already are in savage raids and PVP
>>345493191
You remember those 2 guys looking down a hole in the black shroud?
Around there.
>>345493187
People like this are the reason we can't have interesting classes anymore. Everything has to be perfectly reliable and exactly as effective as everything else.
You'd lose your shit if they brought Corsair from FFXI.
>>345493187
Most of everything in this game is RNG already. Crits, parries, evasion, MCH/BRD weaponskills ,plenty of endgame boss mechanics (niddhog tethers, sephirot colors, thordan towers, etc).
At least with AST you can play RNG cards in your favor. Get a spire/ewer card you don't need right now? Royal Road it for the enhanced AoE effect. Get a shitty bole card? Spread it for a later anticipated tankbuster, royal road it for boosted potency, or just redraw your card.
>>345467007
>positionals
>I turned target locking and strafe circling off and when I started because I mained BLM and SMN
I probably look like a huge jackass running through the boss to hit those flanks and rears.
W-when is 3.4?
t. shitter still on a8s
>>345494686
Less than 2 months from now
>>345494418
>positionals
>set legacy controls
>bind that face target button
>make macro that spams that button which can be turned on/off
>move in any direction on full speed and always face target so no autoattacks lost
moonwalking feels so good and you don't have to deal with wonky lock on controls and camera
>>345485015
SAUCE?
A
U
C
E
?
>>345493871
People demand homogenization not realizing what they're asking. They sacrifice flavor and interesting game design for bland efficiency. They don't realize that in cutting out the difficulty of a class that's not 100% perfect for every situation, they're cutting out much of the fun too.
>>345495114
With that sort of logic, there may as well only be three classes: Tank, DPS, and Healer.
>>345485015
Wasting those sexy guys on straight porn
wasted potential
>>345493413
Or just remove AST and make a better job altogether because this whm/shitty sch hybrid with cards project was a mistake. They could have easily made a healer that relies on debuffs/buffs to mitigate and heal.
>>345493871
>People like this
No, I just understand the corner Yoshi placed himself in by making everything so basic that all jobs must be homogenized or else they're mandatory or useless.
>>345494126
>crits
negligible at the end of a 9 minute fight
>parry
objectively bad and needs to be changed, i'll give you that
>MCH/BRD weaponskills
Doesn't really change how they are played or make them less useful if they didnt have such mechanics
>plenty of endgame boss mechanics (niddhog tethers, sephirot colors, thordan towers, etc).
Why are you comparing obstacle mechanics based on the encounter to the mechanics of a playable class?
>>345495291
This is modern MMO game design.
WoW fell to this misfortune, because people complained that hybrid DPS was not as good as pure DPS, and that pure DPS doesn't provide the utility hybrid DPS does.
So they just gave hybrid's utility to pures and gave pure's damage to hybrids. Now it really doesn't matter what DPS you bring because everyone can do everything.
Homogenized, standardized, uniform. In a word, bland.
>>345495301
i was thinking the same thing
You know what sucks about FF14? How they do little to stop bots.
Like the top guilds in the game have botters everywhere. These people who bot then just brag about how they've cleared savage, rank high in fflogs, have millions of gil, and stomp all over everyone.
>>345496409
Hell I reported Queen Ward and 4 other people from the same guild for obvious botting 3 times. Everyone I've talked to has reported them. I have VIDEO of them following the exact same pathing.
Nothing done. They're still botting 24/7.
>>345496565
It would be nice if someone made like some site/list for people who bot. Have it so you have to accompany video proof for it to be valid.
>>345496409
>You know what sucks about FF14? How they do little to stop bots.
One bot I sometimes bring up in these (Clara Norman on Cerberus, also their entire FC is bots) was dead at a nodespot for hours, obvliously without the status sign. Pretty damn obvious at that point, but not banned at that point. Maybe on the next bot wipe.
>>345490973
Much more than in WoW, from just the basic content some are kind of hard (not really if you're remotely decent in video games but some people can be really bad) it encourages people to gives tips and most of the times people are grateful for it.
Also a lot of people are webs if you're into that.
>join an FC
>good FC, small but social, basically every player besides me is high level and raids all the time
>get to know the leader over time
>they have every single job at lvl 60 including crafters
>main jobs (MNK, SCH) are fully geared, doesn't bother with other jobs as much, though they're still well equipped
>completed all PvE content many times (doesn't PvP)
>got every mount, every pet
>still plays every day for hours on end
I don't understand. What could he possibly be doing now when it seems like he has done everything already?
>>345496409
Bots make them money.
>>345496781
Considering how every single system about XIV has a own site, I'm surprised this hasn't been done yet. Maybe SE would C&D such site, but other places don't seem to bother with it either.
>>345492527
Paladin is boring as hell, don't go that route unless you're really bad. It's the noob class of the game.
Start with warrior until Heavensward then try the dark knight, the most fun of the three imo.
>>345496929
meant to reply to >>345496775
>>345496845
I knew someone like this, albeit they played WoW.
A max level character of every class.
Cleared every raid on the highest difficulty many times.
Has basically every mount and every pet.
Has placed high in arena rankings over several seasons.
Still plays regularly to this day, often hours and hours each day. How? Why? What could they possibly still be doing?
Well, the simple answer is that they're an addict. My friend just looked for things to do because they didn't want to stop playing. It was like they were playing Minecraft or TES or something and they just ran around looking to make their own fun.
>>345496995
>noob class of the game
That title is forever BRD
>>345496409
I use a bot to grind gathering while I'm away. Am I at risk of being banned ?
>>345496995
>noob class of the game
DRG, BRD and ACN say hi.
At least with ACN it paves off once they get to SMN/SCH because the class has depth and they realize it would be easier to play a BLM or WHM.
>>345497110
With the minuet no longer. While they are still not that hard to play, the title now belong to paladin.
>>345496409
Bots keep the game alive by being subbed.
>>345497195
>DRG
stopped right here nigga. Playing this class optimally at level 60 is much harder than much classes.unless you meant that its the class that most noobs will use, regardless of the class difficulty, then you're correct
>>345466157
>WoW has a 1.5s GCD, often 1.0, sometimes 0.5 depending on certain buffs
>FF14 has a 2.5s CGD
>Complain about WoW's 'speed'
Never change FF14-pals, never change.
>>345493871
We can't have interesting classes because XIV has no job identity outside the most fundamental aspects of the trinity, you dense fuck.
>>345497301
Non-RMT bots are alts of people. Those alts don't bring additional subs.
>>345497195
ACN/SMN is still easy as shit. People just don't realize how their damage is distributed.
>>345497318
DRG is still flowchart as fuck at 60. Claw/Wheeling just means you have to hug the ass corner exclusively.
The only complexity of the class comes from using Geirskogul efficiently. If it wasn't for that they'd have the easiest buff to manage in the game.
>>345497125
Your safe because SE doesn't do shit.
But you're also an ass.
>>345497125
Maybe after 15 months or so.
But Hell i've been RMTing for 2 years and haven't gotten banned.
>>345496845
Had a friend like this in my current FC. He just played to pass the time, spending a lot of it making PF clear parties for randoms or just helping random people out. Also would organize pony and bird farms on weekends, or try to get people their savage Coils clears. He was probably NEET because he was on practically 24/7. Only reason he stopped playing was because he moved and there is no internet provider in his new area.
He was a pretty cool guy, but made a lot of people jealous because of his expansive knowledge/completion of the game, to the point where half our FC stormed out around 3.2 with the excuse that he was controlling the way they played and enjoyed the game.
>Hey I'm gonna make a Pony farm party on Saturday at this time. FC gets first dibs on slots before I put a PF up. Anyone interested?
>S-Sure! Sounds like fun!
>[repeat several times]
>omg why won't you let us do anything else besides what you want to do???
>myself and a few others point out they were never forced to join his farming parties and he just wanted to help people get things from older content that's not being run as often anymore
>they storm out and make their own FC
>read the description
>"we farm Coils regularly"
Many keks were had. Most of them quit or unsubbed between then and now, while our FC is still going strong.
>>345497107
Also this. I'm pretty sure the game was some form of escapism because they times we were in Discord together, he would have to unplug his headset if he heard footsteps coming up to his room.
>>345497452
... what? If you ban that account from playing you lose a sub. Doesn't matter if it's botting on an alt or not.
>>345497717
Yes, why they don't punish botting accounts boils down to this. Each bot they ban is one sub they lose.
It's disgusting. They prefer to keep the money bots give them than making the player experience better.
I still have my tells quarantined to their own tab because of the botspam. It makes tells basically unusable.
>>345497384
This whole slow game meme needs to stop. By the time you reach about level 30, your rotation of skills is big enough to constantly be hitting something with some variance (outside of FIRE and Ruin for THM and ARC). This is really only an issue within those first thirty levels, and I think everyone here admits sub 30 is the weakest part of the game.
>>345498601
It's not even that. It's that the game is not an action game. The people complaining about how slow the game is should have seen 1.0, the 'gameplay' in that game is like watching paint dry compared to how quickly the game moves now.
>>345498751
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs8nEtHrCr8
Literally this.
Do you guys think it is more likely that warrior will be nerfed down to the other two tank classes levels or the other two tank classes will be buffed to warrior's level?
Or do you think warrior will remain the best tank for the foreseeable future?
Is this the best quest in the entire game?
>>345499093
I'm hoping they'll be buffed up to WAR's level in some way. PLD may be difficult because it's always been a really simple class. DRK seems to be really close but it's missing something.
Biggest problem I have with PLD is that it has access to pretty good MP regen but it only uses MP on Flash, Clemency, and anything you might cross-class from CNJ.
>>345499127
You could tell ROG/NIN got extra love in their storyline.
>>345499603
DRK will be fine once they loosen up all the damn restrictions it has.
Can't use Blood Weapon in Grit
Can't use Reprisal without a parry
so dumb.
PLD needs a skill redistribution. Getting Shield Oath so late hurts it. Not getting a DPS rotation till the HW skills hurts it. Not getting an AoE till 50 hurts it.
