ZeRo:
"Let's be real here. Smash 4 was terribly ran at EVO. Worst tournament I've ever been to. Here's why. Please RT.
No projector for most of the smash 4 tournament. People crowding to watch anything.
Awful schedule. Matches being as early as 8 am, then having to play past midnight to then play at 8 am the next day.
At the end of day 1, evo, (not the smash TOs) decided to use HALF of the setups (32 of them) for friendlies while we were trying to finish before midnight. Evo literally enforced this. Nothing Smash TOs could do about it despite wanting to.
Evo randomly imposing only '32 moves' to fix their completely wrong brackets. (A bracket were ally wasn't even seeded...). They refused to communicate with the people making the brackets and limited their moves to fix the bracket and only allowed 32 people to be seeded. It's impossible to make a good bracket with this. It's evos fault for being so stingy for no reason that we had bad brackets.
Despite being the second biggest event at evo we had the worst schedule of any other game, no projector when other games had them, and weren't on the stage at all until late top 32. We were also pushed into the corner of the room and it kinda felt like a neglected event.
Some setups didn't even have all stages or rules.
I personally found some evo staff to be very rude and stingy for no real reason.
Bear tried his absolute best to run the event and without him.the event simply wouldn't have finished. We can't thank him enough. He did what he could with evos stupid decisions and conditions which made so many things much harder.
EVO apparently didn't even compensate travel costs for key members of staff and commentators. Also heard the compensation they got was way below standard."
Source: https://twitter.com/TSMZeRo/status/754556097923457026
This is what Leffen, a top melee player, said about the situation:
https://twitter.com/TSM_Leffen/status/754414313205563392
>>345431113
So where did Zer0 place?
>>345431234
Top 8 for smash4:
1st Ally
2nd Kamemushi (a japanese megaman)
3rd ZeRo
4th VoiD
5th Abadango
5th Ranai
7th Larry Lurr
7th Dabuz
>>345431286
>Only third
>>345431398
The smash4 meta is pretty unstable atm, any of the top 10+ players can win supernationals
Maybe Smash autists should go back to playing their party game at home instead. They are lucky to get not one but TWO Smash games at EVO. All the complaining during CEO made me dislike a lot of these "professional" players.
>>345431496
Swearing other communities is not going to do you any good.
Competitive smash is very clearly a fighting game.
>half the setups were running friendlies
>got more matches this weekend waiting in line to play a 3s cabinet on free play than with any smashers
Fucking hogs.
Btw almost the entire smash4 community had similar complaints about the event. just saying.
This is what Ally, the winner of smash4 EVO said: https://twitter.com/AllyOrNotAlly/status/754322916427173892
>>345431398
PLASTIC POSTING IST VERBOTEN
>>345431580
The problem is they aren't doing any good for themselves by complaining about everything after every premiere event. They are complaining about trivial shit that is pretty much been standard in the FGC for years, stuff like crowding and not enough systems is common place. As someone who played MVC2 back in the day where we had to sit on the floor crowded by hundreds of niggers everywhere this sounds like nothing to complain about.
"I personally found some evo staff to be very rude and stingy for no real reason"
Yeah, they're trying to run a 10,000 player tournament in 3 days, they don't have time to hear you complain.
>>345431580
Maybe the smash players shouldn't boo during other games finals and chant for their autism game
If you guys are such a big community then go host your own events and dont go to Evo if it's so terrible
>>345432019
The complaints are 100% justified.
People PAID to get into the event and see smash4, but they couldn't see anything most of the time because there were not even projectors until the final matches.
If you paid to see something, and you don't even get to see most of it, you should have complained too.
>>345431496
Friendly reminder that melee got way more viewers than SFaggot V
>>345432019
There's a clear difference between a community based tournament and a tournament run by an organisation.
Years back you used what you had to try to run a tournament smoothly.
Also he didn't complain so much about not having enough systems, but not being able to use them to finish the tournament in orderly time. Not having rules etc unlocked is a reasonable complaint too.
>>345431113
One of the TO's said there were smashfags hogging the setups and wouldn't leave. Saying it was up to EVO to use half for casuals was a lie
>>345432198
Nobody cares faggot, even though you're wrong.
>>345432198
I didn't know smash was on national television
>>345432258
>this level of denial
>>345432183
Didn't GG fans have to crowd around some ones phone once thanks to Smashfags being pricks?
Didn't smash fans chant MELEE during the GG tourney last year?
You guys are a bunch of idiots who should really have their own tournament. You guys don't care about fighting games or the FGC
I know everyone here hates Smash 4 and ZeRo, but nothing he says here is wrong. They were treated very poorly, and disliking the man doesn't change that fact.
And BTW, let me add more complaints as someone who viewed the tournament on twitch.
The stream went down during Top 4, and instead of delaying the fights a bit so we can see them on stream, they kept them going on, which resulted in Void VS ZeRo, a top 4 match, mostly not being streamed except the very final moments.
Furthermore, AFTER grand finals started and kamemushi got a hit on ally, the EVO team stopped grand finals claiming that the crowd is too close to the stage. i wonder if they would have stopped SFV grand finals after they started for a similar reason too.
>>345432339
The melee community and smash4 community are not the exactly same people. melee chants are not chants for smash4. furthermore im pretty sure the melee chants happened because someone went on stage and said "are you ready for melee!?" before melee actually started
>>345432301
>what is the Japanese restream
>what is a lot of people watching on ESPN to see what it was like
You retards think because you get a ton of viewers that it makes your game good, like LoL plebs.
>>345432248
what ever happened to this guy? He seems pretty based
>>345432339
The chanting and booing during GGs finals was this year at CEO, not last year
>>345432430
He went full jew, it costs a fortune to get him to do anything now. Where as based Rog still charges $5
>>345432410
>The stream went down during Top 4, and instead of delaying the fights
The tournament was already running behind and had to finish as SFV was due to be broadcast on ESPN
Delaying it would of been dumb
>>345432516
I'm talking about Smash4 finals not Melee finals.
>>345432301
>ignoring the fact that it got views on ESPN2 and multiple streams for other countries.
>>345431113
>a neglected event.
I mean EVO is a Fighting game event so it's kinda natural that Smash would be a sideshow
I like Leffen's take on the matter
>talking like wanting the 2nd largest game ever at EVO to be treated like its not a side event is not being entitled. It's called being sane.
>>345432410
>getting to close to the stage
Didnt someone jump on stage and challenge someone to a money match and have to be escorted out by security
Sounds like a valid reason to delay things to me
>>345431113
While this sucks for smash fans and all, from EVOs perspective you are literally only there because Nintendo paid for it and to pad out the schedule with niche interests. If your not Marvel, MK, or Street Fighter, no one cares
>>345432410
>the EVO team stopped grand finals claiming that the crowd is too close to the stage
So it's the staff's fault for stopping the smash autists from chimping out?
If Melee players would quit acting like their shit doesn't stink, they might get a little more assistance.
>>345432654
I watched it on stream and i haven't saw anyone jumping on stage. maybe i missed it, but i dunno.
>>345432410
>The stream went down during Top 4, and instead of delaying the fights a bit so we can see them on stream, they kept them going on, which resulted in Void VS ZeRo, a top 4 match, mostly not being streamed except the very final moments.
This would have happened to SF too, big venues have very strict fire codes and they don't fuck around. In fact last year they stopped a match from starting because people wouldn't clear the path around the stage.
>>345432628
MvC3 got treated the same way. Smash fags can go fuck themselves.
The fighting guys crying over smash make you look even worse than the quake people crying over cs 1.6 being shit. Same goes for the dota cummunity talking to league players. Being elistist makes you look like total faggots and nobody wants to join that game
>>345432429
>>345432615
>implying ESPN2 had good viewers and not normies shitting on twitter
Your level of denial is off the charts
>>345432726
Good point.
>>345432726
Did it have over 2600 entrants like smash4 did?
Also, MVC3 at least got sunday finals.
>>345431580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o8yWSmkMMQ
>>345432828
You might be a little autistic if you think anybody cares that smash might have got more viewers than SF.
>>345432726
Good, mvc3 is just as much a nonsense party game as smash. EVO needs to be separated between Casual Competitive and Tourney Competitive Games. The Nintendo games, Mahvel et all are casual competitive , they were never designed or intended for serious play. KI, MK, KoF, SF et all were all balanced around head to head tournament play and while they may not be perfectly balanced, they were designed and polished with the Intention to be so
>>345432940
It doesn't matter what this youtuber says.
Competitive smash is objectively a fighting game.
>>345432870
At least MvC3 is more fun to watch than smash 4 or fox vs fox vs fox vs fox vs fox vs fox in final destination.
>>345432198
Friendly reminder that this is a false statement.
Stay mad smash babby, the actual EVO is worth showing.
>>345432980
>marvel casual competitive
>>345433041
1. Smash4 was fun to watch
2. There was only one fox in smash4 top16 i think
3. Even melee had some variety of characters in top8 and it wasn't just fox
>>345432980
The people decide what is fun to play and watch, otherwise starcraft2 would be the most watched game in the world and not lego legends
>>345433041
>post yfw fox didn't win EVO this year
>>345432301
>smashcucks literally cherry picking screens in a desperate bid to stay relevant
I'm embarrassed for you, son.
oh look smash players being entitled manchildren, who saw this coming?
>>345433172
hungrybox absolutely deserved that win.
>>345431113
This is really funny to me. Crying is all smashbabbies can do. Sorry your party game has no place in their push for "eSports". Or at EVO.
>>345431113
>>345431221
And here is what Omni has to say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNV8hgKl3Hs
>>345433285
You can try to dismiss legitimate criticism as "crying" all you want, but it doesn't stop it from being legitimate criticism
>>345433041
Marvel 3 is a factual snore fest that deserves to die after this year. Not on that Melee top 8 had 2 foxes one of which was played by Armada who used Peach for a majority of top 8. And if I recall correctly either Battlefield or Pokemon Stadium were the most played stages this evo.
>>345433265
Definitely, usually he's a bore to watch, but that grand final was great.
>and people are trying to claim that video games are sports
>>345432954
>b-b-b-but views doesnt count
>>345433072
>220k > 180k both top viewers, on srkevo1 alone
Stay mad cuck fighter
>>345431113
>plz put us in the big boy room wahhh
It doesn't matter whether you're in the top 10 smash players of all time or you're THE top smash player of all time
You're opinion will always be irrelevant because you play a party game competitively.
>>345432705
We're talking about Smash 4 you illiterate monkey.
>>345431113
yes the entire fgc hates you, even other smashfags hate you
fuck off back to apex and leave our events alone
>>345433502
/thread
>>345433537
FYI Hbox, the winner of EVO himself, said on his stream that he loves smash4.
He even goes to smash4 tournaments but he just doesn't do super well (jigglypuff a bottom tier in smash4 ;_;) he beat one of the best falcons once though
>>345433502
>you're opinion
Damn, made me reply here is your (youare) so youre can cure your autism
>>345433425
Both of your numbers are wrong
Smash peaked at 217 and that was when SF fans came in at the end getting ready to watch their game, SF on its own peaked at 213 for the stream and that was all SF fans since nothing was following it and we dont have numbers on the espn coverage as far as I know but a sizeable amount of people watched that due to better video quality and different commentators on the telecast
>>345433674
>a single typo means I have autism
ok
>>345433658
Jiggs vs Falcon in 4 is in Jiggs favor
Falcon has no neutral and Jiggs can just duck Falcon's retarded grab
>>345433798
Yes
>>345433856
shieet
In others news Hyuga got drunk of his ass and gropped Vikkikitty in her sleep.
>>345433940
yeah so? he doesn't play melee so he doesn't matter
>>345433783
Your argument is invalid and here is why:
SFV didnt start until the game of basketball ended, and also, """""FGC""""hates smash, so they would never watch smash even if they are waiting for their game
>>345433346
Didn't you just dismiss legitimate criticism in this same thread? Are you retarded? Wait don't answer that as I already know you are.
>>345433940
And she yelled RAPE as a tumblr feminist then she reported him to the autorities
>>345434080
I never dismiss legitimate criticism if its good criticism.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sosth0
Didn't a smash 4 player molested/raped an underaged girl at evo? I don't think they have any right to complain.
>>345434290
this
their community is filled with rapists and pedophiles
being allowed at evo at all is better treatment than they deserve
>>345434290
He is Mexican, build a wallI'm also Mexican and I'm ashamed
>>345434290
1. Actions of one person DO NOT represent the community.
2. I dont think she was underage, but i dunno.
3. it wasn't rape, he groped her.
4. he was completely drunk while doing so (not justifying his actions though)
>>345434068
>b-but other people are autists like smash players and only turn things on right at the scheduled time
>no one would ever turn the stream on a little ahead of time while they go get snacks and get comfortable to watch
That's how I ended up watching the end of that basketball game, I turned the channel over while I was making food and setting up in the living room
Literally took them 10 minutes to play the last minute and 3 seconds of that game because they were constantly fouling each other and the coaches were calling time outs like they could somehow score 7 more points in the last 8 seconds of the game and win
>>345434417
>Falling for this cheap bait
Please don't
>>345433940
>tfw went to evo and didn't even get so much as a photo with a qt cosplayer
why live
>>345434417
How about a big group of people in that community disrupting the finals of other games and taking chairs before smash even started and deny the fans of other games a place to sit and watch while those games were being played
Smash is a cancer and needs to be cut out
>>345434610
Smash had more viewers than the main event
I don't see smash leaving evo soon
>>345434610
The smash4 community literally never done that.
Also, DO NOT call any little thing you dislike "cancer", thank you.
>>345431442
It's unstable cause he's no longer being carried by tiers.
I love it.
Tr4sh:
>Best player uses the best characters
>Is a complete and utter tier whore
>Times out and camps to win if he needs to
>Makes the game stale as fuck and boring to watch
>When those characters get nerfed he starts losing
>Makes excuses to not compete in order to save face
>Gets bodied 3-0 by a Megaman and complains about how the tournament was run
Melee:
>Best player uses what everyone considered to be a low tier character
>Breaks paradigms within the meta and sets out to prove everyone wrong
>Wins against a bad matchup and becomes the best player in the world in a hype as fuck GF
Says a lot about the meta of both games. Zero is a fucking hack. I'm glad that fat fuck finally got dethroned, and I hope he never wins another tourney again. He was boring to watch when he tier whored in Brawl with MK, and he's still boring to watch now. I dunno why you sad fucks give that clown any attention.
>>345434717
Almost everyone complain about how the tournament was run.
Also ZeRo is genuinly an incredible player and not a hack. dont be so rude, too
You know /v/ is biased as fuck against something when a fucking tripfag is the most reasonable person in a thread, jesus
>>345434669
Except it didn't, smash autists are outright lying about the numbers and ignoring that SF was on national tv
>>345434695
The smash community literally did that at CEO this year
One of them also shit in the pool at the hotel the event was hosted at, it was known to be one of them since every other group had something going on at the time of the incident except smash
And then let's not forget that smash players complained about a Cammy cosplayer and made her cover up
At an event in florida
Where there were girls walking around in bikinis because it was florida in the fucking summer
>>345434828
>dont be so rude, too
I don't know where you came from but you need to go back.
>>345434828
Fuck off you dumb tripfaggot. Go back to sucking zero's cock on Smashboards.
His his gf won't do it, so I guess someone has to.
>>345434828
t. zero
>>345434717
He also tried to tier whore Cloud but he coudn't
>>345434695
fuck off cancer
>>345434891
You forgot your trip you dirty nigger. You're not fooling anyone. Go back to your hugbox.
>>345434901
B-b-b-but TV
This denial again
Here is what people said about SFV being on TV
it's an issue when you're demanding two of the same franchise to get major tournament attention. You're lucky Sm4sh is even included as a main game when Melee is still considered the better game.
How do you think SF4 would be treated if players demanded it was at EVO after SF5's release? It would be a shitty side tournament.
since Nintendo doesn't care about tournament play with their new games, you are the shitty side tournament to Melee.
>>345434901
>smash autists
It's one guy fishing for (You)s, how dense can you be?
>>345434901
The melee community is not the same as the smash4 community, anon. there are some overlaps but its two different communities overall
Also i think what you say about the hotel pool is completely made up. and even if it was not made up, assuming it was a smash fan is not justified. and EVEN if it was a smash fan, it doesnt say anything about the community as a whole.
>>345435032
You are being extremely immature.
>>345434986
Yeah, because Cloud and Ryu actually take a degree of skill to properly use. They have glaring shorcomings unlike prenerf Sheik and Hoo-Ha Diddy.
What a fucking hack.
>Now that my main has been nerfed, I'll switch to the new top tier character.
>>345431113
They deserved to be treated like shit. Smash's audience are goddamned spoiled brats that yell if they don't get their EXACT way at these fightan tournaments.
>>345435081
But smash4 was the 2nd bigget tournament attendance wise! it deserved sunday finals.
Also, I think Sm4sh is the better game :v
It has both better balance and better mechanics than melee
>>345435194
Cloud is much easier than Sheik, Sheik is one of the most technical characters in game (though it's true ZeRo's shiek was not among the most technical sheiks.)
>>345435146
>all this evidence is constantly piling up that smash autists the world over are a cancer at every event they are at
>b-but they aren't representative of the community
>>345435146
There have been reports of players at Smash 4 tournaments stinking up venues with their BO.
Don't point fingers to the other side and claim innocence.
>>345435194
Actually Cloud is easy to use
But yeah, he is a tier whore
Smash isn't even a fighting game
>>345435326
It's a game and you fight in it against other people. how is it not a fighting game?
>why aren't you treating this party game with the respect it deserves
>we are video game king, treat us well
If we are pointing fingers for one player on the comunity then here is a little reminder
>>345435371
Competitive smash is not a party game.
>>345435194
>Cloud
>Skill
Anon, please.I'd stream it if I could.
>>345435403
you're right
it's a glorified one
>>345434131
But anon she was gropped, one hand up the skirt and the other down the pants. Even Hyuga admited it
>>345435430
Did you even watch it?
The leve of skill and competition in both smash games is extremely high
>>345435508
mario party requires a lot of skill too
go make your own tournament faglord Evo isn't for itsa me marios
>>345435560
I literally never played mario party so i can't even comment if it takes alot of skill or not.
But smash is genuinly a fighting game
>>345432019
>They are complaining about trivial shit that is pretty much been standard in the FGC for years, stuff like crowding and not enough systems is common place
And they still haven't fixed this? Sounds to me like the FGC is run by monkeys.
>>345435417
More skill than prepatch Sheik. Prepatch Sheik could Fair to win, had great recovery , and had no bad matchups.
Learning to deal with match ups takes more skill than a +1 no matter who you face cause you're prepared for every situation.
>>345435269
>A character who can be gimped out of a stock at 10% by a third of the cast takes less skill than a character who literally had no weakness.
>>345434717
I honestly thought everyone hated Zero ever since that Sm4sh tourney Nintendo ran. It feels surprising people defend him and listen to what he says without a second thought, props to the Megaman for killing him.
>>345434901
You gotta remember the SFV finals were at 3-4am in Europe too. I wanted to watch em but had to be up early
>>345435774
Pre Patch shiek still has the weakness of killing fairly late.
also she is not just "Fair to win".
>>345435857
Every final was at 3-4am somewhere
>>345435918
:^)
>>345435727
Dude why bother? Nobody here is going to change their minds
>>345435894
She was, tripfag. Pre-nerf Sheik was a cancer to the early Smash 4 meta because she shut down almost all of the cast with her neutral and needles, and she could Fair a nigga to the blastline and make it back with her great recovery.
>>345435774
Does Cloud even have bad matchups?
>>345435793
I hated him the moment I saw him step on stage, since that's when I first saw him.
Him and his goofy scarf. Maining ZSS too. He just screamed waifufaggot. I remember watching it with a friend and me and her just spent the whole time laughing at him and his sense of fashion. Then he won by time out and SD cheeseball and we were both pretty salty since we wanted the North main to win.
That's when I first came across Zero, and I haven't liked him since. He was clearly the interior player but still won by abusing the rules. Yet he still acts like he has authority. All his victories since then have pretty much been that too. Combined with "if you're not playing tournaments, you have no right to talk about the meta."
Yeah, that fat fuck can get diabetes for all I care.
It also doesn't help that Smash 4 really isn't a very good competitive game either.
>>345434717
>Best player uses what everyone considered to be a low tier character
Sense when did Mango start maning Bowser?
>>345434901
>One of them also shit in the pool at the hotel the event was hosted at
No proof of that
>And then let's not forget that smash players complained about a Cammy cosplayer and made her cover up
No that was the hotel staff you lying shit.
The majority of smash players at events ars rude and smell like shit, and the top players are all cunts anyway so fuck em. Glad they got shafted.
These are the same people who wanted private handwarming areas and to get a free pass through pools because they thought they were too important to have to play by the same rules as everyone else
"it's so bad seriously, matches starting at 8am!"
holy fuck, what kind of lowlife think 8am is early?
>>345436060
>Does Cloud even have bad matchups?
Everyone with a counter, there were no Clouds at the Smash 4 Top 8 at evo.
>>345436060
Ness, Lucas, Villager, and Link mostly.
Good Zoners give him a hard time. ROB as well. And Falcons can gimp him out of recovery really bad.
A good Peach is more or less an even match, since she can stay out of his hitboxes pretty well .
Cloud absolutely wrecks almost everything else though, since his punish game is fierce.
I wonder if the wreckage by marth still hurts
>>345436114
>North
Marth*
>Smash pedophiles.
>They literally stink like shit.
>They steal like crazy.
>They demand crazy shit like handwarmy stations and other retarded shit.
>Literally rapists and degenerates.
>Salty about shit like time slots and station count even though EVO is a vehicle for Street Fighter, which had more than double the entrants while every other game must take concessions.
>Fans and high-profile players are S-tier at complaining on social media instead of handling it behind closed doors with dignity.
>Snooze top 8, people literally falling asleep in a well-lit arena.
Pls go and stay go.
>>345436290
Nah, a smart Cloud can easily bait counters and punish the ever living fuck outta Roys and Shulks. Corrin is a hassle though, cause he has better hitboxes and that stupid waterfall move is too good, so Corrin can more easily frustrate a Cloud into taking a counter, and his counter is among the best in the game too.
>>345436467
>Literally rapists and degenerates.
At least we don't have a lowtiergod in our comminity.
>>345436467
>SF wife beaters
>rapers
>salty
>they demand to be number one and elite
>salty for not being most watched at evoif you dont know who I am talking about google Low Tier God
Why do people say Ryu is a hard to learn character in Smash? I don't play the game but he seems pretty straightforward.
>>345436593
Water ball*
Ffffuck
>>345436593
Cloud has to recover sooner or later, let's see him bait the counter then.
>punish the ever living fuck outta Roys and Shulks
You are forgetting Marth and Ike.
>>345436207
>hotel staff has no problem with women in bikinis wandering around
>but this woman in a leotard showing less skin needs to be stopped
To bad for you not only the cosplayer but the hotel staff outed the smash players as the ones who complained about her and demanded the hotel staff tell her to cover up
It's even more obvious it was them since the hotel never had a problem with her dressing like that before and the first time they get a complaint is the first time smash was at ceo
Why don't you autists hold your own events and stop forcing yourself on to ours
>>345436594
>At least we don't have a lowtiergod in our comminity.
Most of your top players are whiny bitches when they don't get handwarming stations, leather seats and plates of chicken tendies on demand.
>>345436679
Why don't you lying autists stop blaming us for everything.
>>345431113
>WAAAAAHH CATER TO US WE ARE THE FGC
Reminder a famous Smash player was caught molesting a woman after the tournament. It's pretty obvious why they are being shunned and yet they don't want to take the hint...
>>345436304
You are pretty wrong.
Cloud worst matchup is actually Shiek
>>345436290
Kamemushi switched to Cloud while fighting Ally in top 8.
>>345436604
>some random nigger who doesn't even attend events now represents the FGC
meanwhile your entire community is guilty of all the shit he listed
>>345436627
Smash players are used to just pressing a button and a direction for specials, motion inputs are to hard for them
This becomes very obvious when you realize their "advanced tech" is doing a half circle to alter the way a character moves and they hold it up as the hardest most complex thing no other players can master
>>345436656
Cloud wrecks Ike cause Blade beam negates his side B, which is half of Ike's recovery. Also, Cloud has better neutral.
Cloud vs. Marth is a very fun match though.
t. a shameless Cloud main
I don't have much of a problem with counter users desu. It's the Zoners that are a real pain to fight. It's why Link is my secondary, cause it's an uphill battle trying to fight a Lucas or a Ness as Cloud, among other characters. Good Falcons will also kick my shit in.
>>345436627
tapping and holding buttons for light/heavy jabs/tilts is too much for smash babbys
>>345436842
That Cloud play as so bad that I don't even count that as pocket Cloud.
>>345436754
Why don't you lying autists stop doing all the shit and pretending it wasnt you
Children act that way
>>345436928
Yeah just like freedom of movment is to much for FGC babbys.
>>345431113
It's revenge for what smash fags did during evo when brawl came out and took half another games set ups for melee
>>345436793
Hahaha, no. After the nerf, Sheik became a lunch meal for Cloud. She can't kill as well anymore, has a hard time finding him, and whatever mistakes she makes, Cloud can easily maximize, as well as force her into making mistakes, as Cloud forces Sheiks to pay more riskily.
>>345436793
You are literally just posting "No, you're wrong" over and over again.
I'm not sure if you actually think you're convincing anyone that your fanbase isn't made up of whiny children, or if you're just an idiot.
>>345437035
A big part of the reason sheik is cloud's worst matchup is because her combos sends him far off horizontally and into a potential gimp situation.
>>345431286
>came down to Megaman v. Mario
>Sheik Kong didn't win this year
Good shit all around.
>>345436903
Lets just agree that the Ike vs Cloud match up is a 50/50
t. defiantly not an Ike main
>>345437092
>Tripfag
>Being an idiot
Surely you jest.
>>345436968
I know a false flag when I see and hear it.
>>345437175
I never jest, and don't call me Shirley.
>>345437096
For Sheik to properly gimp Cloud she has to put herself into "I can get nuked by climhazzard territory". Also, Sheik will need to have a +1 on Cloud to have that advantage, which post nerf Sheiks have a hard time doing due to diminished neutral thanks to Cloud's Nair and Dair, and Cloud's Blade Beam shutting down needles.
>>345435297
If MvC is allowed to be at EVO after fist fights, busted equipment, and stolen property over the years by its members, then smash should be allowed to call out EVO TO's for running a shitshow.
Hell, we didn't even get crowd mic on until GG came on.
>>345435058
>Some one with a video game avatar is complaining about video games
>>345435326
At least smash had an arcade mode at launch.
>inb4 "I don't care because I'm not a scrub like you."
>>345437282
Shiek neutral is still better than cloud imo due to her frame data being pretty much the same as ever.
You are underestimating shiek imo :v
>>345431496
In Sm4sh players' defense, it was more Meleefags than anything. Let the new guys have some fun in the sun & tell-the 14-year old grandpacucks to head home, they're never satisfied with anything.
I'm almost disappointed Meleefags didn't embarass themselves this year or almost get themselves kicked like they did at CEO. The finals were literally just manchildren crying on the floor.
>>345437161
I like Ike a lot actually. Used to main him before Cloud came out, and I still use him from time to time. So I can agree to that. I also like fighting Ike's as Cloud, it's a fun match. It just feels unfair since it feels like Cloud has a slight edge with his neutral game.
But yeah, Ike mains are bro tier. Always a fun fight no matter what.
>>345437284
>Based Daisuke comes on stage
>All we had was the crowd mic
EVO was suffering
>>345437405
>I'm almost disappointed Meleefags didn't embarass themselves this year or almost get themselves kicked like they did at CEO.
They were too busy silently crying and pretending like they were in concentration camps set up by TOs because they already know nearly everyone at EVO has had enough of their constant autism-fueled bullshit.
>>345436245
Yet the hopefuls advanced to top 8 as usual while SFV was full of literal who's and some lone American who got bopped for 5th place.
>>345437284
What's the story here.
>>345437415
50/50 it is then.
>>345431113
No-one but you autistic man children gives a shit.
Smash is a babbie fighter for babbies with about as much depth as a petri dish.
End yourself.
>>345437380
Except she can't combo as good as she could, and in between attacks she gives Cloud enough space to pull off a Nair and get her off his ass. At best, Sheiks can now pull 2-3 fairs back to back vs.Clouds, and they always get overconfident due to being used to their opponents being helpless combo food. Sheik's biggest disadvantage against Cloud is in fact psychological, since they underestimate how good Cloud is at turning around bad situatiobd, and think they've got it due to better frame data.
>>345436725
And most of your top players are niggers, spics, and chinks who bitch whenever their OP mains get rightfully nerfed just to make the game interesting.
That and you also start fist fights and break monitors like spoiled brats if you don't get your way.
>>345436889
>some random nigger who doesn't even attend events now represents the FGC
>but the rumor of some dude shitting in a pool totally represents you stinky autists :^)
Can you at least take the cock outta your mouth before you accuse others of talking with their mouths full.
>>345431113
Isn't he the fat baby who said Bayonetta was too problematic for Smash? Why on god's green earth would I care about what he says unless he's admitting he has a weight problem and is going on a diet?
>>345437128
>liking mario
Fuck Mario and his dumbass downthrow-uptilt combo.
>>345437740
Yep. He also got cucked by his fiancée.
>>345436775
At least the Smash community has women to molest. More SF players are turning trans after getting bodied so hard.
>>345434717
>faggot timed out Nintendo World Premiere tournament with Zero Suit Samus
>that cringeworthy fucking scarf he wore
I'm glad he's not winning anymore, fuck him.
Now if other players speak about EVO's treatment in a justifiable & polite manner too, then his complaints are justified, but as of now, fuck him, glad tubby got his shit bopped.
>>345437915
Uuuh
[Spoiler] cosmo/narcissa [/spoiler]
>>345433286
Omni really should just drown himself in the toilet
>>345437991
Shut up
>>345437582
Someone went on stage shirtless and tried to start a money match.
It didn't go so good.
>>345437415
Don't see how you place so high Falky since I can beat your cloud easy
>>345437628
Please watch this b4 saying shiek "can't combo as well as she could". the only thing that was gone in her combo game is her downthrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smeaTaLy2pc
>>345438048
That's not what I expected.
>>345438082
Who's falky?
>>345437785
Mario's braindead, sure, but I honestly don't remember Mario being used last year in EVO's Top 8, which speaks to me volumes of the character variety.
While we're on the subject, Abadango in Top 8 implies to me that Mewtwo made it to Top 8, which is a huge fucking leap from last year and gets me in a very good mood as a Mewtwo main. Megaman & Yoshi too, even if I don't main them.
>>345437915
>Smash community has to create a safe-space for women at events called Smash Sisters or whatever because sexually deprived autists can't keep their hands to themselves
L M A O
>>345438212
Falafei*
I thought blonds were supposed to be S-tier, what happened?
>>345438320
Who?
>>345438329
That's really bad art. Why would you post that trash?
>>345438384
I wouldn't call it art.
>>345438095
Btw the downthrow kill at 4:28... it's not unlikely it worked due to a secret shiek tech VoiD himself told me about: If you downthrow someone right at the ledge, he is sent a little lower which allows followups that wouldn't work otherwise.
Maybe it would have worked aniway or maybe it wasnt a true combo though, idk.
>>345437991
>speedrunning autist who plays smash casually
lel
>>345438445
How do you know Void? You get to fight him regularly or online?
>>345438235
>Abadango in Top 8 implies to me that Mewtwo made it to Top 8
Mewtwo did make it to top 8
But Abadango fucked it up by going Rosalina for the first match.
>>345438532
He told it to me on his twitch stream, i don't actually "know him"
Crazyaga fuck off back to /mu/
>Go to a fighting game tournament
>Complain when they don't show your party game on projectors
>>345434717
>puff
>low tier
Also 7 min of zone *the match* is fun to watch?
meleefags never
>>345438236
>at events
>It was in the hotel room afterwards
>>345438694
>tfw the party game comp[ey was probably the biggest sponsor of evo this year
its like you hate tournaments or something
>>345439132
So what your saying is
Donald Trump: EVO
Chris Christie: Nintendo
>>345431221
Who cares what Leffen thinks? He isn't even allowed into the country
>>345439217
How did you come to that conclusion and pararel?
They need to stop bitching, smash has always been a minority at evo and will always be. Sure the schedule was fucked but that was for every game since they've continued to add more and more titles without extending the event a day or two.
>>345439635
> smash has always been a minority at evo and will always be
he says as Smash 4 had the second highest number of enterties.
>smash babbies think anyone gives a shit about them
>ch-change it and meet our needs or we w-won't return for evo2017
LMAO good riddance to bad trash fucking crybabies
even if mr wizard came up with some brutally shit setup for smash these children wouldn't stay away, it's all empty threats.
>>345433286
>We were treated like a side event
I am confused werent they a side event considering EVO is a fighting game tournament ?
>Get everything handed last time
>think you're a serious fanbase and not a cash cow start to treat others like shit and yell like the fat fucking autist you are when other events are going on
>come by next year and be treated like the fat cash making whores you are
>cry when evo puts you in your place
>>345439706
I think that they had the schedule set so that Sm4sh would be a precursor to Melee, like they thought Sm4sh was going to die out with the lack of content and few top players you hear about.
Lo & behold, they get the second number of entires and Finals, although treated poorly, were very exciting and full of character variety, both from last year & compared to Melee in general. Any complaints regarding EVO might just show Wizard set the problems up himself, possibly unintentionally, but still wasn't a good time to be a Sm4sh fan.
>>345439706
>2 Smash games.
If both Smash games were combined -- even if every entrant was separate -- it's still 20% less than SFV.
Yes, Smash is a side event. I say this as a Guilty Gear player that had half of the representstion of Smash games.
Didn't they pull this same stick-up bitchery after CEO this year?
>>345431113
>Smash 4 babies think they deserve respect for their casual game
You know that the only reason Smash 4 even got to Evo is because Nintendo wouldn't let them use Melee by itself. Both or nothing.
>>345439917
Confusing Melee with Sm4sh my dude.
I was really hoping they'd do something to get kicked out of the event this year. Guess we just gotta wait the long 5 years of spacies dittos before it dies like Marvel 3.
>KoF players are humble and deal with what they get, when they get it
>Killer Shitstink and Mortal Combat players are humble and deal with what they get
>GG players are humble and deal with what they get
>Smash toddlers scream and cry that they're not treated as the most important players and the most important game at the event
if smash is so great and powerful why don't they just quit attending EVO, CEO, etc and watch as the fgc burns to ash without them
>>345439958
Smash4 had over 2600 entries. that's more than any other game except SFV
>>345440056
>Sm4sh gets kicked
>Melee along with it
>Meleefags cry & whine when they realize Nintendo & the FGC thinks they're a literal joke and Sm4sh was the only thing saving their asses
>mfw
>>345437318
>>345435058
you now realize that these are the normies that would probably love Memeleee because it's so nostalgic and even has that one pink pokemon that they just caught on their smartphone in the finals.
>>345431113
>Despite being the second biggest event at evo
Source please
>>345440059
You could stream the events side by side and the difference would be near nonexistent
They virtually have the same exact crowds, some players, same rules and mindset , I don't even remember if they have completely different casters
>>345440159
>2500 kids sign up to waste time in pools
>""pro"" smash players then complain pools is taking too long
SMASH COMMUNITY IS HUGE!!!!!!! LITERALLY 2600 TOP TIER PLAYERS I SWEAR ON ME MAM'S LIFE M8
>>345440159
>an easy game has a lot of entries over actual difficult games.
wow stop the presses
>>345440249
This. Most of them were FG shitters.
>>345440282
The difficulty of a fighting game depends on your opponents. it's not easier to win your opponents in smash4.
The fact is that some melee players enter smash4 tournaments and the only one who is doing really well is mew2king
>>345440376
That's because Smash 4 is horribly unbalanced shit game.
>>345440376
Then you would know that I am talking about the fact that smash 4 has a low skill floor.
>>345440087
>Mortal Combat players are humble and deal with what they get
Given how much money WB threw at EVO for MK I'm pretty sure that MK got top treatment.
>>345440465
It's MUCH more balanced than melee.
>>345440376
Then why wasn't M2K in finals if he's so good?
>Meleetoddlers can't adapt to a game that's basically the same general gameplay
>get bopped by literal whos & walk off stage if taunted enough
Sasuga
>>345440495
Well, as much as that turd is going to get.
>>345440056
>>345440160
You fags got it backwards.
Melee is what opened the doors for sm4sh to get in.
Hell, Nintendo was planning on shutting down Melee from entering EVO 2013 until the community raised hell and got Nintendo to relent.
If anything, Sm4sh is on the chopping block since the only reason it's there is because Nintendo is sponsoring the event.
>>345440465
And melee is so perfectly balanced.
>>345440548
M2K decided to DQ from the smash4 tournament at EVO.
According to him the schedule for smash4 was too rough for him. :c
Other than that, mew2king has some really good placings in smash4 nationals, he never won one though.
>EVO2017
>SF
>KoF
>inJUSTice
>MK
>GG
>Tekken
>KI
>Pokken (sponsored by Nintendo)
smash kids on suicide watch yet?
>>345440604
>Nintendo was planning on shutting down Melee from entering EVO 2013 until the community raised hell and got Nintendo to relent
Exactly. It would be a PR nightmare if they didn't put Melee in. Smash 4 has nothing to do with anything except being Nintendo's negotiation, and even then I don't see Melee going absent if Evo decided they didn't want 4 anymore.
>>345440604
>Nintendo was planning on shutting down Melee from entering EVO 2013 until the community raised hell and got Nintendo to relent.
What? Why would nintendo not let a tourney for their game happen?
>>345440639
kill yourself
>>345440745
>Being pointlessly mean
>ever
You are making yourself look incredibly immature.
>>345440604
>have new Smash game coming out
>see an oppurtunity to promote the new one with Melee's love
>even throw on a huge pre-release tournament & invite some big Melee players to it
>game drops
>they bite the hand that feeds them
>decide to keep playing their 14-year old dead game instead
>small sect of Smash fans try to latch on & keep Sm4sh from sinking
>only thing that keeps it going is their dedication & the money you're using to promote the game
Who's to say Nintendo won't just pull the plug on Melee now that they got no new Smash Bros. to promote? It was a calculated business decision that backfired hard, they have no obligation towards Meleecucks to let them keep playing in their little toddler pen on a huge stage.
>don't play either game but watched most of their game's matches
>melee was always more entertaining than smash4
Wouldn't actually mind seeing melee come back next year. Personally Smash was a snoozefest even during finals
>complaining about 8am
MK had to play their grand finals at 8am for an empty stadium and I don't see any bitching from them
>>345440743
Nintendo hasn't been a huge fan of people streaming their games, moreso people competing and winning cash prizes with them unofficially.
