Did you pre-order Legion? The expansion fixed EVERYTHING.
I like how now even stealth marketers have to use word "fixed" in their posts.
I have solid information about the guys making these daily threads being Blizzard shills.
Everyone filter
>>345430481
lol no
>>345430481
I-i did
Hello Joe Anonymous.
Your shill has been detected and we have transferred your 0.02$ in your account.
Bear in mind that you have reached the daily cap of 1$ and anymore shilling will be ignored.
t. Blizzard
I'm not touching wow again until legacy servers become a thing.
>>345432242
They already are a thing and have existed since TBC.They are also free which is something Blizzard will never do.
>>345432341
they're also riddled with bugs, barely function, and 9 times out of 10 pathing is hilariously broken.
say what you will about blizz, but they actually have the funds and care enough to make sure their servers actually WORK.
>>345432242
They hired the nostalrius team iirc.
Nostalgiafags will probably get their wish,but you can only access the legacy servers if you're subbed and own Legion.
>>345432529
>but you can only access the legacy servers if you're subbed and own Legion.
I'm okay with this. I will pay for good legacy servers.
>>345431839
>squatting in the smith machine
It fixed everything [Spoiler] if you are unable to keep track of more than 4 stats [/spoilers]
>>345434923
If you want hard math go and studty math, I culdnt care less if I have optimal stats made by some basment dweling virgin on other side of the globe. I played WoW for fun, thill and story.
Not to raise my autism level over dps numbers.
And I had even worst time explaining all those stats to my GF, now she can handle it without 2h long lecture. Which means more people can have fun. No one cares for hardcore neet gamers.
>>345436301
now go back to where you came from
>>345436301
>I was shat on by someone who took their time to actually think about the items he took, thus he's a basement dwelling virgin. I just want everything on the silver platter.
No wonder wow went to shit
>>345430481
>More than 1 year since the last content patch
Yeah, fix this if you can.
>>345432442
have you tried kronos 2? Most of things work.
>>345436301
>hard math
>>345437664
>most
that's exactly why p.servers are shit.
>Reserving a digital pre-order of an expansion of an MMO
>>345437728
hey they are free and there's good chunk of us players playing.
I would get it for 20 bucks or 30 + a free month
Now way am I dropping 60 bucks on this, I'll wait until its free at the end of the expansion
half the specs play like shit now.
>>345437806
60 bucks? Wait...pretty sure wow expansions were released for 30-35 bucks when I played.
yeah, and i've actually been having fun since i resubbed last week. i hope that lasts more than a couple months at least.
what specs weren't completely butchered with legion?
>>345437971
They ramped the pricing up with WoD
You know,since the expansion was totally worth more than 30 bucks
>>345430481
>fixes everything
>kills any fun any warlock specs have, forces every good lock to continue to be destro or gtfo like this expac.
>>345437971
>>345438142
>>345437806
it's $40. Stop being stupid.
>>345430481
>paying to get a silence penalty in a game with no communities
whats the point. this shit is like fucking 10 years old let it die
>>345437971
Expansions cost 40+ now. now add a month to even play this piece of shit
>>345432595
>MoP account
Didn't they make it so everyone has WOD already?
>>345438207
thats without playtime
>mfv shill is real
>>345430481
Yup, sure fixed the shit that was charred remains heal bot lock. Least now you can jump while you keep mashing that shadowburn.
>>345434923
I left in only the things that would be useful for me as a Warlock on live servers right now. So why not remove the useless shit?
>>345438460
no. you are grandfathered into everything but the most recent expansion. so when legion launches then everyone will get wod.
>>345434923
If you're melee why would you need the stats for the other two attack types?
>>345438812
>warlock
>parry
>>345430481
I'm really starting to the enjoy the EXPANSION FIXED EVERYTHING meme
It's sort of like Toddposting
![1312291457832[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jrK9CDv.jpg "1312291457832[1].jpg")
>>345434923
>Spell
>Ranged
>for Rogue
>>345437031
Where did I said I dont want to work for rewards my autismo friend?
Having a shit ton of stats dosnt make this game more fun than having few. It only carters to hardcors and they are less than 1% of this game, I and way more people than you dont want and need to sit with exel for 2 nights to see if gear is good or not.
>>345438937
Yeah, cross that one out too.
>>345438172
tears of warlocks are best
>>345438812
Because when you are playing an RPG you have stats even the ones you don't need.
>>345430481
lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bgXzLM7Llc
>Less subscribers than FF14
Glad I got off the WoW train back in 2010
>>345439347
FOR WHAT PURPOSE
>>345439289
Sory but you never played paper RPG before newfag, there arent stats you dont use.
There are only your main stats nad secondary.
Even a fuckin warrior can get benefit from high INT, you cant do it in WOW.
Now get some exp and stop spiting shit.
>>345439512
lmao it has more subs than FFXIV
>>345439289
Is this some kind of universal written law that every RPG must comply with? Since Vanilla WoW was always about simplifying the RPG experience.
>>345438812
>warlock
>half of spell stats removed
>parry/dodge
yeah new stats are exactly for retards like you
>>345434923
A stupid design choice, but already fixed through a simple addon.
are you faggots actually arguing that having more stats makes the game harder or more fun? lmao
>>345430481
>word for word the same OP these threads had before WoD release
fucking wew
>>345439805
The stats aren't gone, you simply can't see them with the standard UI anymore. Some are still relevant however, like movement-speed or defensive values for i.e. melee classes in PvP.
>http://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/dejacharacterstats
brings them back easily.
>>345439889
Movement speed is the only thing I agree they should add
Parry and dodge as visible stats aren't relevant to a non-tank, not even in PvP
>>345439710
Every class has a passive Dodge stat and I already acknowledged my mistake for leaving in parry.
>>half of spell stats removed
Things like bonus spell damage/healing or hitrating isn't even in the game anymore, and mana management is long gone. So how about you don't talk about stuff you know jack shit about.
>>345439805
Yes, let's just have one stat called "Power" that affects everything and call it a day.
>gearscore is the biggest number in new stats windows
gearscore was just a fucking PRANK
>>345434923
And it's STILL not clear what a spec needs, without looking it up what some turbo nerds calculated through spreadsheets. There is not a single indication if your character needs mastery, crit, haste or multistrike.
In vanilla it was pretty clear, since critical strike was the only secondary stat together with hitchance and very few items that gave the forgotten expertise, which was also a bullshit stat.
Also going for a hit and expertise cap before actually going for raw damage was never fun and needed a lot of gold to get the most optimal gems and enchants to min/max
>>345439960
Sometimes I wonder why mana is still a thing. Might aswell remove it by now as it serve no purpose.
>>345438848
no, I got WoD for free a while ago, they upgraded everyone
check your account doge
>>345439960
what is the point of your posts if you acknowledge that there are less stats now?
>>345440008
What a great comparison. Removing all useless stats from your stats screen to just having 1 stat. You're a fucking retard.
>>345436301
>hardmath
>>345430481
Well its still worth a go for a month of two. I've more than enough gold saved up anyway.
>>345430481
>The expansion fixed EVERYTHING.
So you're claiming it removed the 'buyL100' feature, removed experience potions, removed BOA gear, removed all the lore-breaking content, removed dungeon finder, reverted the world back to how it looked in vanilla, and reverted all classes back to their original states?
>>345440021
It's basically like "Power levels" in DBZ
It was never meant to be a thing.
Yet, people ran with it(Read: Funi marketing) and it became a thing.
>>345434923
How much of a wowgunner you have to be to really think left is better
>>345432529
> i deserve everything for free
>>345440008
Not comparable you retard
There should obviously still be different stats, but removing stats from the UI that that specific class don't use is not bad, it's just cleaning up.
>>345430939
Post it.
>>345434923
>They kept the secondary stat which has the same effect as primary stat
Why?
>>345438460
>haven't bought game-time in years
>Blizz keep giving me free expansions
i will buy it 1 month before the next expansion is released
do the whole LFR and ignore it again
anything fun in the first month of legion will be nerfed if wasn't nerfed already in the alpha
>mfw WoD was literally Infinite Gold: The Expansion
>Bought 1 year worth of tokens and still have 10 of them in my inventory
>pay for the expansion, enjoy the content and have fun until 2 years long patch comes
Not having to pay for the gametime makes paying for the expansions much easier. If tokens weren't I think I don't know if I would bother.
>>345439959
Still no sense in hiding it. At least make it an optional drop-down or something.
>>345440486
>>345440596
You don't have to pay for game time any more? How does that work?
>resubbed
>rolled a dk
>having a blast as im levling
send help
>>345440596
You still need to log in and do AH stuff every day to get the money, not to mention that tokens are up to 80k now.
Just doing garrison stuff won't give you that much on its own.
>>345440768
https://wowtoken.info
You use gold to buy months, pretty much. Price heavily depends on region.
>>345440768
You can buy 30-day game-time as a token off the auction house with gold. The price is determined by how many people are buying tokens with real money to sell them ingame.
Since almost nobody is buying tokens outside the game anymore, the price on the auction house has nearly doubled since they were introduced.
>>345440839
Almost makes me want to re-sub until I remember what a piece of shit the game has steadily become.
>>345440768
if you farm 100k , you pay with gold
that assuming blizzard doesn't decide to ramp up the price of the tokens
>retards will think the token price is decided by demand
yea , just like legendary drops at d3 were random right? and not decided by blizzard
>>345440827
I have seven characters, garrisons give an insane ammount of gold, even after they nerfed them. Garrisons alone are usually enough to pay each month, but I also sell the transmog I get from the crates, and the ocasional AH flip.
It's kind of sad how making gold has slowly become one of my favourite things to do in WoW. I guess that's what no content makes you do.
>>345440768
I'm >>345440486
I meant I literally don't play anymore, but Blizz send me an email a certain amount of time after every expansion, giving it for free
>>345440812
remember how WoWfags used to be fat virgins who had no life? do you really wanna go there?
ps. people have actually died out after playing 3 days WoW straight in asia
>Actually like the Warlock changes
>Except for Destro
Seriously how is it possible to make Destruction Warlock even worse than the WOD iteration?
Burning Embers were literally perfect for the "Class Fantasy" they keep repeating, but no, everyone's back on soul shards.
Atleast Demo lets me shit out a personal army.
>>345440937
>mfw tokens are dirt cheap on American realms
>>345441025
mom, get off the internet, you should be working
>>345440992
I have 15 characters with lvl3 garrisons, but until recently I could barely stand logging in on my main and doing Archimonde mount farm every week.
I could never stomach logging into every single alt and doing garrison crap, even if it'd buy me a token. Especially since they're up to over 80k in Europe now.
I wish I could buy the expansion with tokens
>>345440768
You can buy it with gold now
Blizzard are really fucking smart, basically they sell something called "WoW tokens" for real money which cost 20€
These WoW tokens gives you 30 days subscription if you use them, but you can also sell them at the auction house for real gold.
Now, notice that 30 days subscriptions cost 15€ if you buy it will real money, so essentially Blizzard makes MORE money than they otherwise would by selling subscription time for ingame gold.
>>345441104
>there was a time when tokens were 22k on NA realms
No wonder people say they can easily stay afloat every month if everything is so cheap there. Must be still a lot of people buying tokens from the shop.
>>345438172
Rip in piece, my green Demolock.
I don't care if demo was hard to manage and that shit was fun. you had to work to squeeze out every bit of damage in a fight
>>345441182
this , i dont even know how i managed to log in 3 times a day to sent every follower in every alt to missions
>only have 12 chars , ignored 1 since it was ally
>resubbed this saturday
well 30 more hours to make 40k and compensate for wasting gold on a month
Reminder that the WoW token will drop between the next patch on the 19th and Legion, since garrisons will be nerfed to the ground.
Who /addicted/ what will you play lads
>>345441347
Can't wait to blow my 10 million gold on 30k tokens again :^)
>>345441232
>you can also sell them at the auction house for real gold.
I sure could use some real gold
>>345441270
>NA realms have dirt cheap tokens
>EU realms are twice that
>Check Taiwan and Korean realms
>>345441094
>liking Demonic Empowerment: The Spec
Your taste is trash
>my 5th secret vault mission at the end of the expansion
>>345441347
Reminder that that's complete bullshit because people don't lose their gold just because there's a new patch/expansion.
There's a reason why they have some massive fucking goldsinks in Legion (mount for 2mil gold lmao)
>>345441232
not my problem if some retardspays 20€ so i can get my free game timeits still a good system where everyone is happy, blizzard makes more money, smart people dont pay need to pay for subs anymore and dumb people get gold
>>345441232
Why is anyone buying those tokens in the first place though?
>>345441456
> smart people dont pay need to pay for subs anymore
what the fuck was i writing, i meant
>smart people dont need to pay real money for subs anymore
>>345441428
It's the only class i've played in any extended period, being practically kicked off it by the devs i'm completely lost on what other class is even remotely worth it.
Pre-patch is tommorow too, i'm out of time.
>>345441418
The price is determined by how many people buy from the shop vs. how many buy off the AH. The higher the price, the fewer people are spending actual money on them.
The system is designed so that Blizz doesn't lose out because everyone suddenly buys only ingame tokens. If nobody was subscribed and nobody was buying tokens off the shop, they'd make losses. So in that scenario the ingame price for tokens would shoot through the roof untily nobody could afford them anymore.
>>345441418
i guess taiwan/korean realms is like
>a new char, here have 400000m because our prison slaves are overworking
>>345441456
>spend all your game time farming for gold so you can pay for time to farm more gold
>smart
>>345441517
i rather farm 3 weeks gold than waste 15€ i can use to buy alcoholor weed
>>345437210
We're on 6.2 though.
>>345441456
You're right
>>345441517
Because they sell it for ingame gold
>>345441517
To get ingame gold. Makes sense considering how many people are buying carries now.
We had people offering to buy the Archimonde mythic mount for a million, but thankfully some from the new roster still need it.
I really hate people buying their way to achievements.
>>345441625
>farming gold
You didn't play WoD, did you?
>>345441625
Well, the amount of time you need to pay for a month is extremely low right now, compared to previous expansions.
The whole thing will probably drift back with Legion since you can't use a dozen garrisons to churn out gold for you anymore.
>>345441572
>The price is determine
keep believing that good goy
>>345441708
>working for money in a game isnt farming
>>345438460
It's free fore everyone now, I got a Warcraft Movie Promo and got everything plus 30 Day trial, which I wasted. But I'm thinking about picking it up again.
>>345441632
I remember the creator of the chart saying he wasn't counting the first patch as it only solved bugs and didn't add content.
>>345430481
>The expansion fixed EVERYTHING.
gr8 b8 m8
>less content than ever
>same facebook garrison missions in order hall
>class quests hid behind that same facebook game
>terribly boring and generic world quests
>apexis crystals replaced with other currency
>LFR still in
>same retarded raid schedule
>same minimalistic raid content
>thal'dranath is the farahlon of the expansion, already scrapped
>you will get one more patch with one more raid and then 14 months of nothing and then you'll get the next expansion
nope nothing changed
game is still shit
>>345441770
How is that comparable? Game-time tokens aren't dependant on item drops and if Blizzard wanted to limit the gold-intake of players, then WoD did the exact opposite.
>>345441572
>The system is designed so that Blizz doesn't lose out because everyone suddenly buys only ingame tokens
They would make more money if everyone buys tokens since they're more expensive than a month of regular gameimte
>30 fucking gigabytes
>Now downloading data for a future patch
>Another fucking 16 gigabytes
What the fuck. Just delete Outlands or something God damn.
>>345441787
>log in
>click on the garrison mission table
>mount up
>fly to the shipyard
>click on the shipyard mission table
>repeat on all your characters
>>>>>farming
>>345441913
>same facebook garrison missions in order hall
>apexis crystals replaced with other currency
>class quests hid behind that same facebook game
>terribly boring and generic world quests
And here's how to spot someone who did exactly 0 research on what he's shitposting about.
If you're gonna post bait, at least make it believable.
>>345430481
Don't you feel pathetic?
>>345432529
>They hired the nostalrius team iirc.
they didn't hire them
>>345441953
For 46 gigs that's not bad for almost 12 years worth of stuff
>>345441913
LFR is nice sorry you're asshurt about it for some reason faggot.
>>345441953
>caring about a few gigabytes
>not realizing the patch overwrites existing data
>having limited disc space in 2016
>>345436301
>hard math
kek
someone is too dumb to handle stats in a real RPG
>>345441981
>fly to the shipyard
You get the table in your garrison next to the follower mission table when it's level 3.
>>345441987
but he is right
The class hall gameplay vids prove it. To do something, you need to send your follower same way you would back in a garrison on a mission. Wait for him to bring something back then you can progress.
>>345437210
i wasnt even interested in the last raid in this expansion.
>>345442024
>do some LFR on my 655 enhancement shaman alt
>#3 or #4 on damage nearly every fight
>against people in 700+ pvp gear and with the legendary ring
>think about buying legion
>remember that all the autists who sit in garrison all Day long in WoD have advantage because endless gold
Welp, maybe i play something else...
>>345441987
uhm dude stop shitposting
I did my research
everything I said is 100% right
but you'll see in a month
no wait, you won't because you will be in denial then and pretend things don't exist that do
>>345441953
>WoW a decades old game with hundreds of hours of content (feasibly usable or no it factors into size) is around 50gb
>Activisonsoft arts latest yearly instalment of call of battlefield creed; secondary title is 70gb with a 6 hour story mode and 3 multiplayer modes
And you choose to shit post about WoW's size.
>>345442180
Not really. Crafting needs Blood of Sargeras, which is BoP and can't be traded. Leveling professions needs you to travel around and do quests.
The only thing you can buy for gold is a 850 ring in Dalaran for 250k (same level as first raids, but World Quests can already drop better stuff).
They fixed virtually nothing. Servers with unbalanced populations will still have players trapped within empty capital cities.
At this point it's a waiting game between me and Blizzard. Will they offer me a free character migration or will WoW die first? In a way my wallet is grateful as this is killing my desire to resub.
>join normie guild
>some can't understand how things can cost over 20k on ah as they only have around 5k each
>point out that 20k isn't much at all, even I who got over 200k doesn't have "much gold"
>get instantly 5 whisper from people who want gold for gametime
How can people play so much but be so poor?
Would you use this mount?
bare in mind that it costs 2.000.000 gold
>>345442180
How is that an advantage? Nearly everyone's gold reserves all almost always chewed through at the start of an expansion because prices for everything are set high due to limited supply
At best they might get one raiding BoE for 500,000 gold and there's half their gold gone
>>345430617
>if you like something, you must be a marketer
A marketer wouldn't waste their time on a meaningless website
How are all the crit based DPS specs in Legion?
Fury, fire, destruction, frost dk, whatever the fuck else?
>>345442282
can't they buy crafted gear?
>>345442298
>Servers with unbalanced populations will still have players trapped within empty capital cities.
You do realize that the main capital is Dalaran again, meaning the entire server population above lvl100 will hang out there.
But of course you know that, since you actually read up on Legion before posting about how awful it is.
even during the launch of wod my servers horde side was dead, i'd be amazed if there are more than 100 players logged in at the same time now.
How easy is it to farm gold in-game these days?
>>345442437
Yes they can but the prices are going to be fucking insane, especially the first months.
The best BoE boots costs about 150-200k gold on live servers now, wouldn't be suprised if good crafted gear can be sold for 300-500k gold in Legion
>>345437764
>not paying the same price earlier and playing the illidan class 2 weeks in advance
>>345441915
both give blizzard money , thats why its comparable
>>345442489
Like someone said above you sit on your garrison and it spills out large amounts of gold but everyone is fairly certain these amounts will get nerfed so people focus on Legion content instead.
>>345442437
The lowest, lvl810 blue tier, yes. I'm not sure, but I think it gets soulbound upon being upgraded.
The thing is, you would still spend millions of gold to get a full set of i.e. 840 armor, while people can easilty get 840-880 from running mythic and mythic+ dungeons.
You'd have to waste all your gold (which you can't easilty get back since garrisons are gone) to get something someone who's occasionally running dungeons with friends can get without spending anything.
>>345442327
lmao because i have a life xD I go out and party all day
>>345442543
Will there still be those shitty crafting CD's? always hated them
>>345442543
That's not that much when you realize how many people are gold capped right now.
It's going to be a BoE-fest at the start of Legion just like it was in WoD.
>>345442585
>large amounts
I was hoping for numbers per time
>>345442170
most people who do LFR are half-afk at least
>i just fully afk with my healers/melee dps since its so fucking boring
>>345442327
They don't know what things are worth and probably don't play that much
>>345442450
Are you retarded. 99% players will still be opposing faction meaning you wouldn't be able to communicate. Not to mention the world will still suffer the same way.
Phasing is a meme. Wake me up when real server merges happen, until then NOTHING has been fixed.
>>345442643
No.
>>345440224
You mean when paladin and shammy could only heal badly? Or druid have to wait 10 sec to cast after shifting? Or the mess that was shard farming pvp rank decay and all the other useless and pointless "balance" that was made. No thanks
I pre-ordered it and I already regret it.
>>345442643
No, there don't seem to be any cooldowns for crafting. The limiting factor for high-level gear is Blood of Sargeras, which you get from mining/skinning/gathering, rare drops or world quests.
>>345442378
spiders are fucking cute, shame on the 2m gold
>>345442760
If I managed to have 2 months of fun in WoD I think I can manage to have at least 2 months of fun in Legion as well
Worth it
>>345442378
fuck blizzard and their shit gold sink
>in place than adding repair gold sinks depending on account gold (% of account = +% of repairs)
>we will add things to screw everyone , people with 20b will keep being rich and the ones with hardly 2b will be poor . the poor ones will keep being poor
>>345440224
>"Vanilla was so much better!"
You didn't play much of vanilla back then, I assume.
To paraphrase Putin:
"Those who don't miss it have no heart.
Those who want it back have no brain."
>>345442423
Fury is looking fun but Blizzard keeps making it worse trying to force Furious Strikes down peoples throats.
Fire looks fun but it depends on how quickly you'll get over phoenix spam.
Destruction changes don't really make sense.
Frost DK is looking much better and has some great animations.
>>345430481
That's bullshit. WoD fixed everything to until they decided content patches weren't important. You can't say Legion iss any kind of success until about a year into it.
>>345442378
>how to keep the rich rich , and the poor poor , and the fuck the biggest the ones who started to have some meanifull gold
>>345442378
Doesn't fit any class/race, therefore shit mount.
Not like the cenarion hippogryph where you can RP a night elf archer.
>>345442378
Considering how ugly it is, probably a valid way to get gold out of the system.
>>345442757
>You mean when paladin and shammy weren't basically identical to priests? Or druid have to wait 10 sec to cast after shifting? Or when being a high rank in pvp was actually impressive and difficult to achieve?
Yes.
>>345442692
Well the way it works is you basically need 11 level 100s on a server with level 3 garrisons and 25 followers each with their own level 3 salvage yard, level 3 barracks and level 3 inn. The idea is to increase the amount of gold you get from gold missions from garrisons generate by having the treasure hunter perk from followers you can recruit at the inn.
Then you basically rely on luck for the right missions to show up at your garrisons. Blingtron's Vault for instance will give out 4,000 gold with 3 treasure hunters assigned to it but this mission has a week cooldown period. Another really good mission is the weekly rare which will ideally reward you with Champion's Honor which was highly sought after for its bonus pvp currency but has dropped to around 4,000 gold at the moment Other than those missions you basically queue up other gold missions and when you run out of those the level 100 missions so you can get good salvage crates containing a few good items you can vendor ranging from 5-80g each.
>>345442378
WoW has gone too far
>>345442921
>Frost DK is looking much better
what's it like? last I heard it played completely different from before and the 6 deathrunes seem kinda appaling to me
>>345443083
Well, scrubs pay good money for mount carries after progression. Gotta fill the guild bank somehow.
>>345442917
>You didn't play much of vanilla back then, I assume
You assumed completely wrongly. I played Vanilla all the time. Vanilla just before BC came out was when WoW was at its peak and when I enjoyed it the most.
>>345442878
How the fuck do the rich get richer in WoW? You can't invest in too many assets to generate returns and even if you did they would merely be adjusted for expansion gold inflation.
>>345442170
>he tries his best on LFR
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Just want to play caster dps
>It's Melee: The Expansion
Gee thanks
They were offering free level 100 boosts with preorders. I knew it was going to get it anyway, so I preordered and got a free level 100. Apparently the price on my dignity is a free character.
>>345442170
jesus mang I have my legendary ring and I just go afk while autoattacking in LFR
>>345443221
What?
>>345443114
It's hard to explain. Watch the Preach video if you have time, not sure how outdated it is now though.
The rune change doesn't really make any difference honestly. Drops rune management in favor of treating it as a second resource.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImgwsW4Pz6o
>>345443221
Don't worry friend, all the raids will cater to casters and shit all over melee as always. Go play your arcane mage without worry.
>garrison are back
>5 man are easier than ever
>quest are filled with sjw propaganda
>every specc has now 2 button rotation only
>no raid at release
>pvp is fucked beyond
>forced daily system to upgrade your artifacts
>artifacts are the only weapon you will be using
>no city hub
Legion is wod 2.0 don't fall for it.
Welp, i did it. I resubbed.
DO i use the boost on a worgen rogue or worgen/human DK?
>>345443018
That's pretty crazy to think that it's normal to have level 100s of basically every class. In vanilla it was extremely rare for people to have more than one or two L60s.
>>345443361
how is dalaran "no city hub" ?
>>345443139
I feel ya bro. its nice having a group of neckbeards who are online every day to breeze thru raids with. we dont recruit or anything tho cause we gotta keep our operation closed off.
>>345443009
Well go suck a dick it is not coming back. Nostalgia is a bad way to go about life and it is high time you learned it
>>345442147
Same as me
GET HYPED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTcOcTsyk9k
>>345430481
Holy shit really? It fixed EVERYTHING?
No more fast travel to everything in the game?
No more Arena?
No more cross-server bullshit?
No more flying mounts?
No more wellfare epics?
No more 5 versions of the same dungeon so no one's feelings are hurt?
That's unbelievable!
>>345443394
I've got almost 2 servers full of 100s now
It's made easier by the fact you can drink rapid elixirs which allow you to blow through 90-100 in about an hour and also Blizzard handing out boosts with expansions
>>345443534
Muh flying mounts destroyed pvp argument
You are only mad you can't gank people plus no flying till 7.1
>>345443231
>not having every class at 100 already
only reason i dont have the account cap of characters at max level is being bored as fuck of leveling up
The whole "selling carries" business ruins MMOs. So if you're part if it, congratulations on directly contributing to the pile of shit the community has become. No one tries to group up to do anything anymore because you have a bunch of faggots just selling clears. I remember when I could sit in trade chat and raid all day long. Now all I see is just "WTS carry" spam.
I guess its just part of a larger issue with society as a whole. It's a capitalists utopia nowadays.
>>345443534
>No more fast travel to everything in the game?
What does this even mean?
>No more Arena?
>No more cross-server bullshit?
kys
>No more flying mounts?
Not in the broken isles no
>No more wellfare epics?
le color of the gear matters
>No more 5 versions of the same dungeon so no one's feelings are hurt?
Not a problem and the reason they introduced heroic wasn't so feelings wouldnt be hurt you faggot, it was so the dungeons could be replayed at max level
>>345443083
>Infernals and Felhound mounts
>Warlock as fuck themes everywhere, spooky demons invading
>Warlocks are the worst class as of Legion with no decent spec
>Yet they have great aesthetic and one of the better class halls
Why is this allowed?
>>345443454
You sure get vile when someone calls you out on your shit taste. Merely acknowledging that Vanilla WoW was WoW at its best isn't the same as desperately pleaing for its return.
>>345443361
>garrison are back
No. Neither world quests nor order hall upgrades are comparable.
>5 man are easier than ever
If it's too easy go mythic+, or mythic+2, ..+3 etc. With 2 modifiers + tyrannical you are roughly as far as mythic raids in terms of difficulty.
>quest are filled with sjw propaganda
Citation needed. No, seriously, I have no idea what you mean.
>every specc has now 2 button rotation only
Learn 2 talent tree. You get a lot of skills by picking them over easier to use passives, not to mention your artifact ability.
>no raid at release
Two raids at release, but locked until 2-3 weeks in so guilds aren't forced to no-life the first days to stay competetive.
>pvp is fucked beyond
Based on what? The PvP system is finally detached from PvE talents, meaning both can be balanced independantly.
>forced daily system to upgrade your artifacts
You can upgrade your artifact with nearly anything. Quests, order hall stuff, dungeons, PvP, exploration, crafting...
>artifacts are the only weapon you will be using
And? You want the joy back of having your BiS weapon not drop until the end of tier, while two other people bonus-rolled it WF already?
>no city hub
Dalaran. Seriously, did you even ready anything or are you just shitposting on principle?
>>345443781
Why did you even bother replying if you're too retarded to have a critical thought and just reply "k" to everything or not understand the issue?
You come off as a huge blizzdrone when you do this.
>>345443781
If the color of the gear didn't matter then why make LFR gear epic?
>>345443534
>No more Arena
t. Casual
>No more fast travel to everything in the game?
I don't even understand this one. Portals have been a thing since Vanilla
>No more flying mounts?
With an achievement which pretty much forces you to explore the expansions zones to get it I have no problem with them because past that point everything always becomes tedious and you always do want a flying mount.
>No more wellfare epics?
Purple is a color and nothing else. You're basically doing half the DPS of someone with a raid set and a higher item level than you.
>No more 5 versions of the same dungeon so no one's feelings are hurt?
You won't be able to get the complexity mythic plus dungeon done in a PUG. That mode is reserved for guildies and groups of friends.
>No more cross-server bullshit?
I think this is your only valid point
JUST GIVE US VANILLA WITH SOME FIXES TO SHIT TALENT TREES SO BUILDS THAT WERE LAUGHED AT LIKE MOONKIN ARE ATLEAST VIABLE
>>345442917
Shut up, retard.
>>345443894
LFR gear hasn't been epic all throughout WoD you faggot
>>345443891
I didn't write "k" a single time
>>345443580
>It's made easier by the fact you can drink rapid elixirs which allow you to blow through 90-100 in about an hour and also Blizzard handing out boosts with expansions
Does anyone know what the world record for fastest 1-100 is btw? I've seen sub 5 hours but I'm sure it can be done even faster than that. Seems insane when the record in vanilla was over 6 days.
>>345443891
What exactly is the issue with cross-realm zones?
>>345443750
People who buy carries wouldn't group up if the system didn't exist. They'd just never play the game, or quit very soon.
You have to keep in mind that WoW drew in a lot of people who'd never play a more traditional MMO. The same is currently happening with Overwatch, which a lot of casuals play who normally have no business in team-based FPS.
>>345442419
>meaningless website
>30,000,000ish unique visitors per month
Are you a fucking moron?
This is exactly the sort of thing that goes on in marketing these days. ESPECIALLY towards the average user of this dump who won't go for traditional advertising.
>trusting jewzzard ever
its like you want to be lied to. How can ytou still trust them after the Wod fiasco and all their lies?
Fuck blizzard
>>345443781
>you've spent 2 months doing this instance
>now as a reward you get to the same instance for 9 months until the new expansion!
>but wait!
>not only have we given the mob extra hp and dmg
>weve given some bosses ONE brand new mechanic
>go out and have fun now friends
>>345443958
>nostalgiafags
>>345443880
>order halls aren't comparable
They literally are, time locked mission table is back
>go do mythic +
Yea goy just keep running this same dungeon!
>learn 2 talent tree
Except I'm not an LFR hero so it not king to be about the talents I want it's going to be what's best, and the artifact ability is ONE cool down
>PvP can be balanced
If you watched Holinkas QandA he's being more retarded than ever, it's literally going to be hardcadting with melee on you, just trash
>raids are at release
Locked back is NOT at release you fucking tard, and Nighthold is further delayed like BRF was
You aren't in beta, just stop posting
>>345444025
Killed any sense of community within a server.
Believe it or not, back in the day you'd actually see a lot of the same people when you went to run a dungeon or do BG or PvP out in higher level zones.
Server forums were booming with rivalries between alliance and horde, people respected or feared certain guild tags specific to their server.
You just don't get that anymore. WoW has long lost any sense of immersion or feeling or community.
>>345443960
LFR has never dropped anything but epics you fucking mong
>>345443873
Not my job to coddle your feelings boy. The good old days argument does not wash with me. Just because you want to run around Westfall getting killed by defias shouting " I remember this from 2004" does not excuse you dragging us all back to the past. Let me ask you this how many raid teirs will it take to implement legacy servers?
>>345444012
Depends what XP modifiers are in place. Elixir of the rapid mind used with Elixir of ancient knowledge will increase your XP gain by 600% and I have no idea if this stacks with rested XP, heirlooms and other misc buffs
>>345444142
>retail wow is quickly declining in sales to the point where blizzard refuse to even mention how few sub they now have
>the nostalrius petition received far more signatures than anyone could have expected
Why are retailfags so in denial?
>>345444159
>Locked back is NOT at release you fucking tard, and Nighthold is further delayed like BRF was
So you want a system where everyone gunning for world first will pretty much be forced to play 24/7 for the first days to get to 110 and into raid-ready gear so the guild can start doing heroic on the first lockout?
>>345444302
>Nostalrius-fags trying to bait with sub numbers
>>345442378
This shit is how you bait idiots to pay for those 20$ tokens
>>345444308
Yes? I don't care how poopsock Method gets, I don't want to wait 3 weeks to do anything
>>345444217
Well I agree with what you said having had an extremely good experience back before even cross-realm BGs were a thing but Blizzard doesn't seem too intent on merging servers together whether because people will resist the change because they don't all want to be on a high population server or just the stubbornness of reducing servers looking like WoW is dying
I think we're stuck with it for now and cross-realm is just the band-aid solution
>>345444107
Everyone who is interested in playing Legion already got it, regardless how pretentious you behave and hoe much you say it's shit. Besides, if you think all of those unique visitors will visit this shithole of /v/, read this particular thread and decide to actually buy the game because of it, you are the only moron here.
>>345444275
well a single tier piece. not even a full set would cost us a full expansion
>>345444142
>retail wow
>that huge a crowd
where are the subscription numbers again?
>>345444409
Well, Blizzard disagrees. So deal with it or leave.
>>345444514
DELETE THIS!!1!
>>345444514
>>345444542
>>345444275
>does not excuse you dragging us all back to the past
'Progressive' spotted.
>how many raid teirs will it take to implement legacy servers?
You need to phrase that differently. Implementing legacy servers probably isn't worth it for them financially at this point, but shutting down nostalrius was a complete dick move.
>>345444290
You can get up to ~950% bonus xp with BoA+RAF+elixirs. It would be cool to watch a team of 5 people all dungeon (and then split up and quest) their way to 100 as fast as possible. I think sub-3h might be possible with ideal strats.
>>345444514
90% of the servers are low pop at this point and my main is on one of them, BUT I started playing on argent dawn and it's really fun again, I also never been on an rp server. The people there put a lot more effort into the game, which makes it more alive
>>345444575
Good argument retailbaby
>>345444542
>>345444575
So salty. Has it dipped below 3 million yet? 2 million?
>>345442378
>We are not getting enough money off dumbshits who buy our tokens
>They're dumbshits,just put a moneysink,and make it a mount.Drones eat mounts for breakfast.
>>345430481
No
>>345444651
I've honestly thought about starting RPing on AD as well
Yes it's autistic as fuck but it seems fun as hell and RPers never run out of content desu senpai
>>345444580
RAF stacks with that shit?
> It would be cool to watch a team of 5 people all dungeon
This was what I was thinking but the problem is they'd need to hit level 15 first and to optimize that they'd basically need warlocks summoning them to turn in quests faster.
>>345444523
blizzard opinion on things its shit ,
>we wont do this
>do it
>we will add this
>dont add it
>we want everyone and their retarded down syndrome guildmate to be able to fight for world first!
>>345443736
I stopped playing toward the end of wrath, I don't have a ton of time to play anymore so I've only got four 100s, two 90s and two 80s. Pls no bully me casual
>>345444302
Because nothing will be done like all Internet outrage blizzard just put up with you lot moaning like girls for a week said some cheap words and forgot about it you gullible twats
>>345444374
>>345444702
Nobody will buy tokens to buy that mount, it's used as a gold sink for people to get rid of all their garrison gold
fyi, that mount is worth ~470€ for europeans and about 3 times as much for amerifats
>>345444764
There are many people that want to talk with others. That's something I am missing on my server
>>345444753
Yeah I seriously doubt they stole that from FF, they've had Naaru in the game for about 10 years now and they're just using them to explain why Illidan is the chosen one
>>345444369
>Deflecting argument by saying it's bait.
>Using smug weeb image
>Use WoD sub numbers but change the name to nostalrius
You can't make this shit up
Reminder that Orgrimmar/Undercity will be empty in your Alliance dominated server, and Stormwind/Ironforge will be empty in your horde dominated server.
Reminder that in a feat of unprecedented laziness you will be returning to exactly the same small, shitty and claustrophobic city in the sky they call Dalaran for the whole expansion, where you won't even be able to communicate with half the players.
>>345444514
It seems you ignored the first post so I will repeat myself once and for all:
DELETE THIS FUCKING POST
