>"But there's no such thing as a WoW kille-"
you really made this thread
Literally who?
FFXIV is pretty content with recycling the same thing every 2 patches, even Heavensward was just a repeat of ARR (with gradually less content).
Played since ARR release and just recently quit, I'll wait until it actually tries to be good again before coming back.
So the things people complain WoW doesn't have anymore and why they left like group questing and shit doesn't exist in XIV at all. It's neo-WoW with FF aesthetics but people are saying it's better because SE dumps an hours worth of content every 3-6 months?
Is that really all it takes to make people happy? Instead of having an actual good game?
>>345405535
Alright. I'm go ahead and break it down for you.
>Gameplay
Compared to other newer MMOs WoW is slow. XIV is even fucking slower. Constant need to press a sprint button any time you walk, 2.5 GCD on most of the abilities, and from both my own experience and from friends who've played longer, combat is just slow.
>Story
What the fuck even is the story of XIV. I honestly couldn't play enough into it to get a real grip on a central story, and it seemed like the two of the three big characters in the Heavensward trailer were lolis. Maybe it's just me but when the story relies mostly on lolis it's a big turn off.
>Style
Sure, XIV looks better, but it also looks pretty much like every other asian MMO, with highlights to TERA and BnS. WoW has kept and upgraded their style for what, 16 years? And it still works.
Sorry. I know what I'm playing Tuesday. And it's not the asian MMO.
>>345405535
>implying FF14 didn't come out 2 years ago and did nothing to WoW's playerbase
>implying WoW isn't simply dying of old age
It's like declaring you beat Muhammad Ali in a boxing match during his funeral because he can't get back up
>>345406860
I'm >>345405785
for reference
Combat is slow to start, it gets faster as the content gets more complex, especially with jobs like Monk (attack speed boost + oGCDs), Ninja (same as MNK) and Dragoon (billions of oGCDs), and the amount of stuff besides your rotation in a fight makes it feel faster.
Combat speed is the absolute least of XIV's problems, the biggest problem the game faces is the rut it's stuck in of rehashing the same content every few patches and not daring to step it up at all.
>>345406860
>and it seemed like the two of the three big characters in the Heavensward trailer were lolis
did you even get to level 30, Nanamo is pretty recognizable
and you get at least 25+ skills per each job at 60
Who gives le fuck
MMORPGs are all shit
I remeber my ex trying to get me into FF mmo and she showed me a few youtube video's including a gay wedding between the little guys... like that games version of gnomes i guess. one of them was in a tux and the other was just in his underwear. now every time i think about this final fantasy mmo thats the only thing that comes to mind. I'm assuming it's a lot less weird with context but still
>>345408349
Are you sure it wasn't GW2? That's literally one of the main characters' storylines, as I recall.
>>345408349
That pretty much nails the social interaction aspect of that game on the head
Jesus fuck, the FFXIV shills are as bad as the Overshilled.
>>345405535
Even Blizzard thinks it's a sinking ship. That why Overwatch exists so they can milk that to oblivion.
>>345405535
>WoW killer
>Literally so bad they shut the servers down to polish that chunk of shit
>>345409907
...oh
>>345409998
The XIV shills are in full force because the WoW shills are. MMO's fucking suck, their player bases are so insecure. It's worse than ASSFAGGOTS.
Brianna Wu plays XIV, why don't you?
>>345405535
>One shitty mmo existing means another mmo is dying because of it
lol. Have fun comparing one turd to another.
>>345409739
nah it was FF she's still trying to get me to play it to this day
>>345410624
I'm glad game mechanics triggered it.
all these butthurt wowbabbies lol
shouldn't you be reluctantly resubbing to your dead mmo right now? a new """expansion""" will be out soon!
>>345410895
She just wants to marry you in game Anon
>>345411142
I don't understand how XIVfags can talk so highly, as if HW's content patches have been slow as fuck and incredibly disappointing in comparison to the ones in ARR.
>>345411596
t. wowcuck
>>345411686
Go buy another retainer.
>>345411790
go buy another $50 level boost
>>345411867
At least when my sub runs out I don't lose my house.
>>345411980
>actually being autistic enough to participate in MMO housing
>>345412072
What else is there to do besides farm tomes? Get married? Babysit the console retards who can't learn to move out of a glowing circle?
>>345412203
you can stop acting like you've 60'd every job for starters
>>345405535
-r."
/thread
as soon as FF14 numbers pass WoW in subscriptions ill start giving a shit
>>345412298
Yeah because the game doesn't get fun until you grind every class to 60 by running guildhests and dungeons.
So is the next expansion going to be out by the end of this year?
>>345405535
but wow killed itself
>>345410624
Sounds like something that happened to me. Motherfucker if this is true.
For context, I was doing the 2nd fight with Ultima Weapon, and in that fight UW releases some balls that if it touches you deals a lot of damage, and if they touch each other they kill the entire party (Like atoms.)
The motherfucking Healer log off and left us with a single healer doing everything until a Scholar came and help.
I'd rather play on a pre-Abyssea FFXI server than either of those games.
I played ARR for 30 days and it was okay. My 2 biggest problems was the disgusting amount of fucking traveling in this game for quests and the unspeakably terrible crafting system.
Making each profession a "job" is terrible because it requires more grinding than most games. Even worse is that you can't even fucking harvest unless you are switched to that profession, so you have to decide if you want to do quests or mat farm, not do them at the same time.
So many of the main story quests were "Go to continent A and talk to Z, then go to continent B and talk to X, then go to continent C and talk to Y, then go back to continent A and talk to Z again". I guess the point is to make people still gold on teleports or something.
>>345413162
Data center and timeframe?
I remember joining an Ultima HM in progress as a SCH by request from an LSmate because the WHM ragequit.
>>345413208
The early game quests are bad, its "oh no a primal, oh no we gotta kill it" until like level 45 where stuff actually starts happening, and then it gets really interesting with all the politics going on
And then in Heavensward it feels like a big adventure with your party tagging along everywhere.
>>345405535
They both have shitty content droughts, with FFXIV substituting content for weekly limits to stump your gear growth and put it on a timer.
>>345410624
Literally who
>>345411165
she just wants to gay marry me in game**
>Closer to 7.0 coming and killing XIV more
>Shill post intenisfy
makes u think..
>>345413592
Summerfag leave.
>>345413756
It all begins on Tuesday.
>>345413756
Yea. Makes me think it's shills shilling shills
>>345405535
When you grow out of MMO's? I did when I was twelve.
Played XIV up to 60, I never really liked it.
>Profession Gathering system is dogshit
>Armory Bag System is bad
>Can only have one character
>PS3 Support Holding back content
>Content gated behind a story that is required
>Level up a class to 60? Have fun grinding FATES 50-60
>>345413435
Primal
Around a week ago iirc. I think I recorded it but I don't have access to my computer atm.
>Clickbait youtube bug
Yeah no.
WOW is still the king because everyone else either imitates the fuck out of them then get BTFO by an expansion release, good or bad.
WOW has been killing itself, WOD was the worst expansion thus far, but the past 3 expansions have been pretty much burning the playerbase out, by nerfing all the fun things, ruining any sense of achievement or fun, outside of autistic achivement points, and has become more and more instanced, when the foundation of what made WOW the game it was back in the day was the fact that it was the first real big MMO with no loading screens between zones, so it had a massive scale.
Meanwhile every MMO that does come out are either trying too much to be sandbox, but forgetting to put shit in the sandbox to have fun with, or Neo-WOW, where they just have hubs and expect players to grind the same 10 instances 50x a day for generic currency for gear that they can't even trade or share with friends.
>>345414025
>Can only have one character
u wot
You can have 40 with a standard subscription iirc
and dungeons for 50-60 are better than FATEs now.
>>345414402
>Having more than one character
Have fun with that required story. Multiple characters are for bank alts, thats it
>>345406860
>Sure, XIV looks better,
No it does not.
>>345414025
>Profession Gathering system is dogshit
Its fun
>Armory Bag System is bad
I agree
>Can only have one character
This is not true. You CAN have multiple characters, but 1 is recommended for classes and stuff.
>PS3 Support Holding back content
They are going to stop supporting PS3
>Content gated behind a story that is required
You can finish the story in one subscription. Sure its boring as all fuck, but its not that bad.
>Level up a class to 60? Have fun grinding FATES 50-60
Didn't you do your Daily Roulettes?
What ever the fuck happened to dungeon crawling in MMOs
Whats with all this boss grind cancer.
>>345405535
>never played WoW since i saw how it was killing all my friends
>friend gave me a free trial for FFXIV
>liked it and bought the full game
>played it for the free month, completed the content and then saw the end game was just shitty raiding and crafting
>quit the game
Lalafells were cute. The world was beautiful. The music was amazing. But it didn't have any gameplay to keep me playing.
>2.5 second GCD killing anything
>>345405535
FFXIV is weeaboo bullshit. If you aren't absolutely in love with anime, it's trash. The gameplay and raid setup is on-par with WoW, but the UI is the same Japanese bullshit clunky crap we've seen since FFVII. The class design feels old. I got bored after three months of playing it. Endgame class playstyles aren't hard or thought provoking. There aren't any decisions to make. You hit these buttons in this order and if you miss a button, your damage/healing/survivability suffers. Rinse, repeat.
It's an OK MMO, but it's not really that good of a game.
>>345414510
Well don't say you *can't* do it then.
>mfw Demon Hunter is shallow but fun
At least they aren't a boring slog like Monk.
>>345414798
>plays an MMO
>doesn't want to raid or do hard content
???
>>345414934
Likewise, DH is enjoyable.
>They gutted muh Warlock
I do no damage
>No DPS class will ever be as complicated as Dragoon
I hope SAM makes for a fun class
>>345415056
MCH
>>345405535
XIV is literally just an Asian MMO that isn't grindy bullshit. It's every single bad part of every single other trash Asian MMO without forcing you to grind through a billion mobs to level up. That's it. That's all it takes to keep people happy.
Still no other MMO out there right now with good PVP. Arena is still unmatched.
>>345413592
Some stupid tranny that plays video games so he thinks his opinion matters
>>345405535
"WoW" and "Kill" work well in a lot of sentences, such as
>WoW killed the mmo genre
Think if MMOs went down this path of combat...
>>345415056
Dragoon is less complicated now than it was in 2.0 though, MCH is the current hard mode DPS.
>>345415180
Vindictus isn't an MMO, stop posting this shit
>>345415132
But I still haven't reached HS yet anon. Is MCH fun? Can I be like Laguna?
>>345415056
>SAM
SAM is going to be a tank and I will cry
>>345415236
it's just as much an mmo as WoW
>>345415180
Yeah, too bad everything else about vindictus is bad.
Also not an MMO.
The best MMOs are open, persistant worlds full of players working together, Vindictus is the antithesis of that.
>>345407502
>just because they died means that you don't win
Anon his shoulders were on the floor for 3 seconds, you can't say otherwise.
>>345415285
>Red Mage will never exist
>Time Mage will never exist
>Freelancer will never exist
Let's be honest, any strides FF makes in terms of gameplay is suffocated by the ugly anime artstyle nobody outside of Japan likes.
>>345414989
This may shock you OP. But you can have an MMO that doesn't focus on raids. MMOs can be more than a themepark gear grind. And since FFXIV was focusing so hard on single player content, I thought it was going in that direction.
>>345415180
Your game is as bad as your manga. Stop shilling both of them.
>vindictus
lol
Hows the pvp in FFXIV?
>>345406860
>2.5 GCD
>>345415559
Still looks better than WoW
>>345415783
don't
>>345415783
Queue simulator
>>345415180
>Think if MMOs went down this path of combat...
For the last fucking time, combat does not matter in an MMO it must merely be competent.
Fucking moron.
>>345415585
>MMO
>Focusing on single player content
Yeah, see, thats where they, and you fucked up.
What ever happened to dungeon crawling, going through scary areas of the world, hunting rare monsters, slaying dragons for loot.
Yeah, the Boss grind is fucking retarded,, but so is half assed RPG mechanics and story tacked onto a subscription/cash shop driven game
>>345415360
Vindictus has tons of players working together every day!
>>345415669
>shitting on berserk
I guess it's true /v/lizzard is the normalfag board...
DOWNROAD
COMPRETE
>>345415956
>Vindictus has tons of players working together every day!
hahahahahahahahaha
>>345415891
>combat doesn't matter
>this is what /v/lizzard thinks
>>345415865
>anime art style popular in Japan and Mexico
>western comic style that appeals to Americans, Europeans and chinks
No
>>345415905
I don't want MMOs to be single player. But since FFXIV focused so hard on single player, it would have made more sense for them to keep doing it. Not just shoe horn in dungeon raids at the end. Which you have to go through the entire single player story to be eligible for.
My ideal MMO would be the total free roaming of RO but with better combat. Tree of Savior should have been that game, but it went the way of shitty quests and EXP cards.
>"wow /v/, world of warcraft sure sucks now"
>"you should play our game which is basically world of warcraft but ten times uglier and with less stuff"
>>345415956
Not him
Vindictus is fun, but no what MMOs need to be, Vindictus would be better if it didn't have the shitty parts of MMOs tacked on.
You have to sit back and realize, is Vindictus really an MMO? And at the end of the day, no, because you could cut out the online and have a perfectly fine game, the online doesn't really enhance the game, its just a tool the developers use to spam you with ads and cash shop items
When you look at a game like WOW, what makes it good? Its playing with others, if you were to take the online out of WOW, it would be a rather dull, boring experience of a game, which is why its playerbase is dying by the millions every 6 months to a year, its too much focused around solo content, when the gameplay doesn't support fun solo gameplay.
Berzerk is Good.
>>345415783
>I will never pvp in ffxiv
Why is nobody playing it?
>>345416294
Fuck what was the name of this show? It had really creepy South Park-esque animation and some ginger main character right?
>>345416496
Amanda Anaconda I think.
Fuck my trivial knowledge.
>>345414756
is that supposed to be an example of the former or the latter?
![Theron_Sunwell_Isle[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3qwusSD.jpg "Theron_Sunwell_Isle[1].jpg")
>>345415559
But the best is when Japan draws it
>>345415285
It's going to be a "hybrid" which will amount to locked stances as you queue into instances.
Enjoy having to spam seigan + third eye for a decent queue time.
Red Mage will probably be fucking worse. I can't wait to see how XIV will shit the bed there. HW's composite jobs were bad enough.
>>345415559
yeah, when are those jap fucks gonna learn how to design bad*** s--t?
>>345406860
>2.5 GCD
>>345415501
I think they've been hinting at Red/Blue Mage pretty hard though
Not a weeb so I don't enjoy moe/loli shit all the time.
rather play wow, only got to deal with furries/futa draeneis.
>>345416624
Close, Angela Anaconda
>>345416694
Its BRD
It took competent groups 6 hours to clear, and to date has been one of the biggest dungeons with the most quests of any dungeon based content they've done thus far.
There is literally more content in that single dungeon then the entire list of dungeons from BC to WOD
>>345416119
These games are supposed to be RPGs, not action games.
That guy who said WoW has slow gameplay is a fucking moron. WoW had some of the fastest gameplay in the genre when it came out, and they make it faster and more streamlined with every expansion - and they take away more of the RPG elements while they're at it.
FFXIV's slower gameplay is the least of its problems.
WHERE IS SAMURAI
>>345415783
a clusterfuck that shits on healers in every way imaginable, while rewarding DPS with healbots who actively ignore objectives
honestly a blast for tanks though, when you can finally tear shit up , even as PLD. I think I've had more fun "tanking" in PvP than PvE, but otherwise it's pretty weak
>>345415056
Dragoon is pretty easy. Keep heavy thrust and DOT up, then just cycle through your two 3 piece combos.
>>345416427
because when you introduce moving targets into XIV's combat, you can see the fundamental flaws in the combat system
>>345416694
>>345416998
However, to be fair, it was overtuned for 5mans
In fact, it was made to be done with raids, its why the original raid portal to MC was inside, same with BWL, but they redid all the end game dungeons in 1.3 to be limited to 10 man groups, and later to 5 man groups
>>345417292
Wow's gameplay is similar to XIV (From personal experience.) and that was praised as one of the best pvp experience
So what do you guys think MMO endgame -should- be? I hear a lot of complaining (and I agree, I raided through WoW vanilla-BW but I have no time or will for it these days).
One other option (which I doubt most people would like) is endless character stat progression. I used to play a game called Nexus: Kingdom of the Winds that did this. Once you hit level cap, you kept accumulating XP that you could use to increase your stats forever.
>>345405535
I like FFXIV more because unlike WoW it doesnt cater to literal retards no matter how much they bitch and whine.
>>345415253
Yes.
>>345413592
I wish for a day for someone to say this without being ironic.
Only then will we have won.
>>345415501
>Red Mage will never exist
I always just assumed the PC is a default Red mage, considering how the class/job system works.
>>345417603
>End game
Thats kind of the big problem.
I was excited to see where EQN headed, as they were going to have levels but instead focus on players upgrading their individual classes over time, unlocking perks and new abilities by doing quests, and loot was designed so you can multiclass and make unique builds, all from the beginning.
Sad the game got canned.
IMO MMOs suck now because they followWOW, and WOW sucks now because its as if they tried to impose a ladder on the game by making welfare gear and patches make the last tier of content obsolete on patch day, rather then having a proper world to explore and exploit.
>>345417474
it's mostly things under the hood that make XIV not very enjoyable for PVP
for example when you perform an attack, the damage doesn't register until the animation is over
in WoW, it registers as soon as you press the button
in XIV, anything that exits your 90 degree frontal cone is considered out of line of sight except for healing spells, in WoW i think it's a 270 degree field which makes PVP much less frustrating. it makes combat a nightmare for melee in XIV, even if a mob is simply pathing across the room it can be difficult, and you might as well give up until it stops moving if it has a higher base run speed
>>345417618
>I like FFXIV more because unlike WoW it doesnt cater to literal retards no matter how much they bitch and whine.
but they nerfed Cuff of the Son (Savage) while it was still relevant.
>>345405535
Rift is still pretty fun.
>>345405535
The only thing that could kill WoW is WoW. And that's exactly what happened. Your 5 second gcd garbage is just picking up scraps.
>>345418053
that's because it was a lot harder than the following boss and SE wanted to keep the difficulty curve consistent, not because people bitched and whined
>>345417618
>Final Fantasy
>doesn't cater to liberal retards
>>345417474
WoW combat is a lot more fluid. FF14 has this weird lock on type combat that only really works when you're standing still.
>Paying monthly to play video games
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>345418456
people did bitch and whine though
>>345418584
>Paying monthly to play an experience you won't get anywhere else otherwise
>>345405535
Of course there's such a thing as a WoW killer, it's called Activision Blizzard.
>>345417603
There shouldn't be an "endgame". The cancerous concept of skipping everything in order to hit the level cap as fast as possible and thinking that's where "the real game begins" is what is destroying MMO games. Everything between level 1 and whatever the maximum is, being filler content that is discarded and forgotten eventually. There should be only a Game. With a variety of content that can be played by everyone, but challenged and beaten only by the most persistent and meritorious. Leveling experience and zones where it happens should be approached with the same care and attention as the highest level instances with best attainable loot. Leveling should take a while and zones should be coherent, have a theme, history players can learn if they wish it (it should never, ever be shoved down their throats as something very important that people should pay attention to at all cost) and landmarks to orient around and use for quick reference. People should get as much depth out of it as they're willing to look for. With all these things coming together you'll get yourself a good mmo. And stay the fuck away from player driven economies and events. Just fix the exploits.
>>345409998
i hate the fact that i cant even enjoy both games without faggots from both groups shitposting against each other,why you people just cant leave each other alone is beyond me
>>345419372
Nobody in actual FF14 threads gives a shit about WoW
These are just falseflagging shitposter bait threads
>>345417603
I'd like a mix of organized group content, open world events/unorganized group content and difficult or lengthy solo quests (that aren't just mat/mob grinds) that would advance my character either in power or aesthetics.
let's get this shit started
>2.5 SECOND GCD
>>345419491
Reporting in.
>>345415335
That's probably the extreme version of vindictus shitposter kun.
I just had a convo about XIV and by far the biggest sin in the game are the fucking dailies and weeklies. It has been pretty much the same all the fucking tine! Why cant they add more ways to cap tomes to incentivize doing it a bit differently. I hate doing roulettes all the time. Even "Go gather xyz, go do a random quest" would be a nice addition for 10 tomes. I noticed to catch up in gear I would only need to cap tomes and I already did it once. Fuck that seriously.
>>345419967
extreme has a combo counter!
This webm does not!
>>345416294
>uglier than wow
you must have some crazy cataracts
>>345419967
I've never seen a scythe evie move that fucking fast before in my entire life, did they re-balance her recently?
>>345420392
They've revamped a lot of characters since last year! The skill being used in the webm is Arcane Gate!
>>345419694
>Online gaming with no fees*
Did it have a cash shop back then too?
>>345417618
They had some fuckin faggot parade in xiv lul.
>>345405535
>XIV
>WoW killer
>>345420754
>b-but WoW has lost millions of subs
>still sitting at 5 million
>FFXIV can barely break 400k
>>345415253
Someone needs to make a MCH opener webm.
>>345420635
nope
>>345407637
Calling any XIV class complex is dumb.
It's the same cycle of maintain 1-2 dots and do your combos that light up.
MMO's are easy to play.
>>345421075
not all mmos!!
>>345420635
No, the plan was to make its money entirely through package sales, with a new one released each year. And for two expansions, they managed to do it.
Then a bunch of assclowns came and in told them to throw out their entire design philosophy in favor of something more streamlined and more casual friendly, thus Eye of the North was born, the game suddenly had a cash shop, and GW2 began development.
>>345420919
not sure why people still think every game needs a million and one subs just so people can think it's good
and i know wow is still the most popular mmo out now but the rate at how they lost so many people in the period of a year had to worry someone
>>345405535
WoW killed itself you fucking retard
>>345419694
why did they have to fuck up guild wars 2
>>345420919
As far as you know. They no longer report quarterly subs.
Also, a large portion of WoW's "active playerbase" are from asian countries who aren't actually playing, they just have unused time on their account, and chinese bots.
I would be surprised if the actual number of people actively playing WoW right now was higher than 1 million. Everyone is unsubbed waiting for Legion prepatch/launch.
>>345421128
too bad its a Korean grind fest pay to win.
The combat is great, and armor system is fun.
But the drop and enchantment rates in this game are abysmal and the fact you only can improve them with over priced tokens is nearly criminal.
>>345410356
To be fair that's the social aspect of nearly all mmos, only usually it's done through text chat since the game's system doesnt support that kind of degeneracy.
>>345420635
At first, no. I think it was around the last expansion that they threw one in for costumes and buffs. I don't remember it well
>>345405535
>i quit a slow and boring game to play an even more slow and boring game
it's good that you know what you like
>>345407637
>I-it gets better later I swear
>>345405535
Warlords of draenor was the wow killer. Even if legion is good, and I really hope it is, there's a ton of people who won't trust Blizzard again after the shitshow of wod.
>>345413756
>WoD 2 killing XIV
>XIV killing WoW
Neither of these are going to happen.
>>345420632
I just watched a video, what the fuck did they do to her. How does she ever get hit? She's so fucking fast.
>>345422391
the later bosses also get fast
>>345421296
Yes, this
FFXIV on the other hand doesn't have an active playerbase consisting largely of asian players.
>>345414756
Maybe someday. Any good dungeon delving co-op games out there?
>>345420635
No. The worst of the cash shop was introduced with EOTN and even then it still was nothing of importance. Just costumes. Everything else can be obtained in the game and without great difficulty by just playing it normally. Except for the character slots. Those came free with new expansions.
>>345421075
This. All of the classes feel the same.
>>345405535
Except FF14 is boring and has many of the same problems modern WoW does. I recently came back to FF14 for the new patch, and I'm bored. I'm not buying another 60 day card.
There's nothing to do. Just daily duty finder shit. Aquapolis is kinda neat, but like everything else in this game, faceroll easy shit that is boring. Deep Dungeon comes out tomorrow, but I expect it to either be dead on arrival like Diadem, or only useful for leveling other classes, thus again, nothing to do if you aren't interested in playing every class. Not to mention, if DD turns out to be best way to level other jobs, then that means the world be even more empty than it already is.
Don't get me started on that ridiculous relic shit. Grind is okay, but not when it's just tomestone crap. You aren't doing long interesting quests with hard and rewarding fights to get it. Just either do your dumb dailies and get it in a few months or be a loser and farm ARF.
>>345405535
No game killed WoW. It slowly died of Cancer.
>>345423219
Exactly. Blizzard killed WoW by turning it into a single player game, fucking over pvp endlessly and literally facebook shit.
>>345414580
God I'd hate to have this kind of eye sight, when literally horse shit looks better than a pie.
>>345414798
I'm not even attracted to Lalafells. They're just so adorable.
>>345423209
>You aren't doing long interesting quests with hard and rewarding fights to get it
The original relic is the best. I feel bad for anyone that made them after the trials required for it became trivial. Though it was amusing that Titan HM still gave (and probably still does) give people the most trouble.
>>345413683
Your GF sounds pretty based and XIV is the more patrician mmo out right now. Unless you like being cucked by blizz.
>>345423846
All Lalas are shitExcept Nanamo. I want to hold her and cuddle her.
>>345416119
>MMO combat
>shows single player
Sure showed me
>>345417997
This is a good description of why FFXIV is mediocre at best. Game feels like shit to play.
>>345424108
all mmos have a single player mode now, kiddo!
>>345417603
I'd like horizontal progression like FFXI had, it's nice when old content isn't useless but you can be "done" with it without that meaning it's just x ilevels below current content
>>345424219
FFXI had some wonky shit like "X item is situational during Z buff" and X item is like 5 years old with tons of walls behind getting it
Eventually though there were so many side grades and alternates it was probably hard to make truly worthwhile gear without straight up obsoleting all the old stuff at once. Now that doesn't happen in FFXI anymore, stuff usually just gets straight up obsoleted in one go.
>>345405535
But WoW is its own WoW killer.
>>345420919
>any chinese pay-as-you-go account counts as an active sub
>>345419694
RIP.
>absolutely ZERO content other than their raids that manage to be an overall worse experience than blizzards
>all healers are unfun shit other than sch
>all tanks are unfun shit other than war
>dps opinions are much more subjective, but to me they all get boring after a period of a few weeks at capped gear/raiding, I'd rate nin or monk as the most fun and summoner or bard as the worst
>every race is a variation of the human (Cosplaying human, big+fat human, tiny human, tall human, cosplaying human mk 2)
>2.5 gcd combat (massively improved as of now) is still slow/boring
>rotations/1-2-3 combat is ass for MANY of the jobs, even the best designed jobs like monk are kind of boring after a while and sometimes needlessly punishing with mechanics (believe this was helped in HW with longer GL + how/when GL is applied)
>game is soulless, looks like a more polished korean mmo
>absolute dog shit 0/10 "abort now" furry rping and autistic shitter fanbase
>gameplay is "dont stand in this"
t.
played all classes/all jobs at near max/max level in both wow/xiv and played both since beta - autist nerd
>there are people who still claim FFXIV is better
>a game with floaty movement, closed off areas with invisible walls everywhere, and a 2.5 GCD
Sure, WoD fucked WoW up more than any other MMO ever did, but at least they can rebound and retain a decent amount of subs.
FFXIV's Heavensward patch """"content"""" was poor, and FFXIVfags are going to claim one bad expansion ruined WoW.
>>345423647
>It is weeb so people must like it!
>>345405535
>FF14
>Actually gets updated
>WoW
>gets updated after 2 years of dry content
FF14 wins
>>345424683
>one bad expansion
Cata, Panda, and WoD is one expansion?
>>345424691
>It's """""weeb""""" so I hate it!
lol
>>345424624
So which MMO are you going to drop more time into if their patch/expansion schedule overlaps in the next year or two?
>>345424683
>one bad expansion
Holy fuck blizzard drones everyone
>>345424787
It is mediocre. The best thing about the game are the particle effects, but everything looks the same. Fucking boring.
>>345424198
are those nipples I can faintly see or am i just imagining things?
>>345424795
I finally graduated college and have a full time job as a teacher now, so I don't have enough time to start a new mmo, unless it was really fun looking. Every single new mmo that has came out recently - I've tried. I did not stick with any of them for more than a month, rarely more than 2 weeks. I was so fucking hyped for GW2, but then again, so was all of /v/ :^).
I just continue to play expansions of xiv/wow. I am very excited for legion, but don't have TOO much faith in it. I am not excited for anything xiv related unless they release amazing jobs and revamp how they address raiding.
2.5 second GCD
TWO
POINT
FUCKING
FIVE
SECONDS
It is literally impossible to have fun, when playing in such a slog.
>>345424624
Sounds just like wow. Boring raids, boring combat, boring classes, boring races, a terrible community, terrible raid mechanics, and completely soulless.
>>345424782
Panda wasn't bad, kill yourself, ToT patch is the best content patch ever made by blizzard.
>>345424057
She's just as shit as the rest. I was really disappointed that they didn't actually kill her. Then again that might have forced them to actually come up with some story content showing how it affected Ul'dah.
>>345425020
I liked panda personally but Cataclysm was atrocious. Also that dry spell at the end of MoP was awful too.
>>345424995
>what is spellspeed/skillspeed
>what are oGCD skills
>>345425116
dry spell was the only bad thing about MoP
>>345424946
yes!
>>345425018
Wow does not have boring combat, it's just been largely homogenized so anyone who has ever played the game kind of understands it's gone downhill. Legion beta has changed a lot of that.
>boring races
Are you shitting me
>terrible community
It's really not, ALL communities are bad, it's not like wow's is especially terrible, though it is definitely not good
raid mechanics and soul are just shitposts, are you fucking kidding man? You can fault blizzard on a lot of shit, but raid mechanics + soul is two of the things they are best at, especially compared to other mmos.
>>345425169
PvP was bad in MoP.
Dark Souls MMO when?
>>345424782
>Cata is a bad expansion
Were you one of those people who played WC3/Frozen Throne and thought it should have ended with Arthas dying?
Cata had some really hard heroics at launch and was a decent time all-in-all since they revamped Vanilla and still managed to put out 5 zones with 3 tiers.
>MoP is a bad expansion
Again, did it just not fit with what you want in the setting? The content was on point and the Timeless Isle/Throne of Thunder were great endgame areas.
>WoD was bad
The value for the expansion was bad and they put all their eggs in the garrison basket. The raids were still worth subbing for, but I unsubbed after we finished up Heroic HFC
>>345424841
Explain why anything but Warlords was a bad expansion without the usually /v/ memes. You do know you can unsub for content droughts, right?
>>345424974
You're probably right with Legion, I'm cautiously optimistic, but I know it'll at least get the guild back together for a few more raid tiers, so I usually enjoy the expansions.
>>345425193
Legion beta added one more button to an already reduced rotation for most classes. The new rotations are 3 or 4 buttons for most classes. That's not fun.
Ok, most of the original races for WoW are fine but Worgen, Pandas, and goblin have got to go.
I'm speaking from a WoD standpoint. I wasn't that impressed with the raid mechanics in WoD and as a whole the expansion seems like a cash grab, hence soulless.
FFXIV is alright if it's your first MMO, but it is painfully shallow.
>>345416998
BRD was basically raid training. Stratholme would be a good example imo.
Did WoW expansions expand on or completely remove World Bosses?
>>345425483
>but Worgen, Pandas, and goblin have got to go
You can't seriously dislike pandas or goblins but still tolerate draenei. All 3 have the same basis for existing in the lore as tauren, trolls or gnomes do.
>>345425594
Legion added 10-30 world bosses, can't remember the exact number
>>345405535
Yeah me too and then i went back to WoW because XIV is just so much worse in a lot of ways
>>345425483
>Worgen, Pandas, and goblin
dude what? do you ENJOY boring copy pasted shit as your playable races?
>>345425483
>MUH BUTTONS
this is not how you make combat fun, asstag.
legion enhance shaman is literally the best spec they have EVER done
>>345405535
The only wow killer is realizing that mmos are shit by design and moving on with your life.
>"This hamster-wheel is better than the other hamster-wheel"
Lol no.
>>345405779
this desu senpai
/thread
>>345425956
Retards never realize that most people hated MoP pvp, when classes had the biggest ability bloats in the game, more buttons =/= fun/better gameplay
>>345424995
>he doesn't know about weaving
>he likes mashing 1111111111111 with the occasional 2 and 3 proc.
>>345425691
But they still only give loot once per kill then there's no reason to do them ever again, right?
>>345426425
nigga shut the fuck up weaving is so fucking easy in current xiv, and even then not all jobs even have to do much of it
>muh rotation
FF14 is so braindead and easy its irrelevant.
Dungeons require no thought.
You NEVER have to use crowd control.
Trash is exactly that, trash that poses no threat at all.
All you do is move out of orange circles and triangles.
>>345415891
>combat doesn't matter
Most of the fucking game is fighting to level up you moron
>>345426521
No, world raid bosses has a weekly lockout yes, but it's not "kill once and never do again" deal like rare spawns in WoD
>>345415891
>combat doesn't matter in an MMO
you're sharing /v/ with these people, everyone
>>345405535
>get invited to try FFXIV with a friend
>game looks good, neat art direction
>no matter what class you play though, you only have 3 skills
>3 skills
Wow talk about pinnacle of combat. And I'd only have to grind 30+ to get a fourth!
>>345427263
>>345427057
By not matter I'm sure he meant not the priority. Level/World Design is far more important imo. I can't stand dungeons in FF14 because they are literally straight lines, trash is gated so you must kill it before the way opens, 3 bosses,etc. They are all the fucking same.
I don't know what dungeons are like in WoW today, maybe the same awful shit, but dungeons were loved in Vanilla not because combat mechanics (they were simplistic as fuck) but because of the level design, trash was dangerous and required CC, plenty of optional trash, bosses, loot, quests,etc. Many dungeons had 3 or more paths/wings/whatever.
But there's no such thing as a WoW killer.
Here's your (Yo-
>>345414756
>What ever the fuck happened to dungeon crawling in MMOs
Takes too much time for your average player nowadays.
>>345416798
>fantasy armor
Fucking kill me. How did Age of Conan get it so right?
>>345410624
http://pastebin.com/rP45UBvt
>>345421137
I'm still pissed about personal stories in GW2. Literally no one asked for that shit and it was clearly done just to jump on the "story in MMORPGs" bandwagon. Think about all that development that could've gone elsewhere.
>>345405535
>playing weabo sheet
>>345424057
look at this shit
City of X was literally the perfect MMO you could ever experience (minus grand exploration and an economy). I have heard little to no complaints on CoX aside from "muh architect".
>No designated healing "class" but had room for healing in certain power sets
>You felt as genuinely powerful as appropriate for your level
>A plethora of abilities to choose from
>One of the most superior character designing features to date
>The capability to scale down or up in level to accommodate any player, enabling seasoned players to play with new friends without inconvenience
I could literally go on and on about this, although I think my favorite part was how we were all rused by the removal - and reintroduction - of the 5th column. Niggas literally "poofed" because of muh super secret covert military only to reappear because TIME TRAVELING NAZIS and kick everyone's ass. AlsoRIP STATESMAN.
>You will never again receive a comic in the mail monthly
>You will never experience SUPER HERO COURT ever again
>>345405535
I didn't really enjoy this single player MMO experience, I wanted to level up with my friends...
inb4 b.b.b.but you can do dungeons together.
I wish WoWfugees would fuck off from FFXIV to be honest.
>>345429314
I wish FFXIV wasn't boring.
