Have you ever been so anally annihilated by something you localize a game about it?
>>345402218
Why can't games just be translated and not "localized" aka butchered. If anything is tied to japanese culture just make a TL Note to explain, don't find the western equivalent.
>>345402218
>left
>generic NPC with nothing special
>right
>NPC that shows some characterization and attitude
The horror
>>345403967
SJW's realized that they can't pressure the 11's that conform to their safety thought bubble reality because they don't give a fuck, so instead they infiltrate localizing studios to shove their thoughts and ideologies into the product that way. The only way to win is to cut out the middle man and learn Moon speak. Best of luck.
>>345404160
>quirky is a personality
found the gen z babby
>>345404160
because everything, even instructions, need to be a fucking joke.
>>345402218
To be fair, I'd rather have a character be anally devastated as a personality than having something that could easily just be a help option in a menu.
Some personality > no personality.
Though they should actually "git gud" and all that entails.
It's MH, you're going to get wrecked if you just waltz in there zero fucks given and don't attempt to get good.
>>345402218
isn't git gud pretty much learn and get better at the game? or is it just a meme
>when a fan group does a translation of a game and can't be bothered to make the dialogue flow naturally, resulting in everything coming across stilted
>meanwhile 'professionals' are meme loving fucks
Time to just learn moon myself
op defending using npcs as pamphlets
The translator sure had a chip on his/her shoulder.
grasping at straws there vitagen
>>345402218
>people will just tell you to "git gud"
I refuse to believe this is real
>>345404813
It's the former but buttmad baby shitters like the people that localized OP pic make it a meme.
>>345404160
>Left one actually gives you information about the game.
>Right one spouts a stream of memes that tell you nothing about the game.
This is how Japan sees our culture today, it really makes you think...;o)
fuck me did gearbox localize this
>>345404160
> characterization
The proper way to play monhun is to mash the accept button until you're killing something.
>>345402218
>people just tell you gid gud
jesus christ thank god i play this games on borring ass spic
Haha another quirky guild girl xd
>>345404846
What the fuck is this "stilted" nonsense I keep hearing about? I'm not a native English speaker, but I don't care so long as it's grammatically correct and translated correctly. Boo hoo if you don't like how the sentence is actually translated.
>>345402218
i don't play weeb games. So the answer is "no".
>>345406970
Most translators will tell you japanese to english is very open to interpretation.
>>345407268
X means X. There is no X means A/B/C. I don't give a fuck if you hate the sound of "it can't be helped" or short/simple sentences. If that's the translation, that's the translation. OP's pic shows that perfectly. The JP text is short, blunt, and to the point. Just leave it exactly like that.
>>345406970
Ever heard someone at least once say how Jap dialog is dull as fuck when straight up translated or by people who can understand it?
That's basically where it comes from.
>>345407518
I'd rather have it localized a bit personally. It's not like there's any legitimate writing quality to preserve I'd rather avoid shitty sentence structure.
Isn't every fucking Monster Hunter localization like this?
>>345402218
they're everywhere
>>345407758
I want nothing changed. Just put it in the desired final language with ZERO changes to the text outside of tweaks (if necessary) to make it grammatically correct.
>>345407518
t. monolingual.
>>345407896
Too bad that's not how the Japanese developers want it.
BEST START LEARNING JAPANESE.
>>345407896
I might agree with you if there was any sort of artistic merit in the work but even great literature gets localized to a degree. But literally 100% of monhun dialogue is irrelevant and skippable so I'd rather just have it readable.
>>345407518
>X means X
>I literally don't understand how context, tone of voice, body language, inflection, cultural references, or flow can alter the meaning of a sentence
>>345407518
It can't be helped can easily be changed to "We/they can't help it."
Don't be a weeb.
>>345405226
Spot on and eerily similar to the OP
>It's another "I've never played Monster Hunter" thread
>>345408095
This is the board who thinks "I don't like to call it a weakness, but a weakpoint" is superior to "I don't like to call it a weakness, but a character flaw."
>>345408287
Sounds like EVERY Monster Hunter.
>>345408047
>how the Japanese developers want it
I think you mean how 8-4 wants it. Capcom over in moonland doesn't give a fuck, so long as the game sells. What's funny is how Bamco said they specifically want to avoid "localization" and censorship with Tales of Berseria in order to deliver "the exact experience the Japanese are getting".
>>345408095
Context and such is well and good, but there's a distinct difference between that localized mess and the proper translation. I hate to break it to you, but Japs talk really fucking flat, don't throw vulgarities around, and so on. Their entire language/writing system relies on short, simple sentences.
>>345403967
The only case where I think localisation is necessary is if something makes absolutely no sense after translation.
For example, Fireball and Fireball Charming were full of jokes and puns but little of it makes sense in English.
>>345407518
Bet you only know one language, idiot.
Are bows bad early game? Because im having a hard time killing anything. My first mh game so im learning.
>>345408461
>Sounds like EVERY Monster Hunter.
I don't remember the Pokke elder or guild girls spouting internet memes like "git gud". Care to post a pic?
Why are you gamers so mad? I just skipped through all the dialogue and am enjoying the game
>>345408481
>in order to deliver "the exact experience the Japanese are getting".
>people think this is actually possible
>>345408662
People are stupid.
>>345408583
No. Game is much easier, and bows are better than they have ever been.
I see nothing wrong with this. It was said once, I got a chuckle, and then I beat the shit out of a Great Maccao with my DB.
how much dialog does monster hunter have?
I felt bad skipping so much of it when I played tri, but the characters tended to drone on and on without actually syaing anything, I mean in the op picture on the right they pretty much don't communicate anything to you besides "hey I'm bubbly and quirky" in a small wall of text
>>345408481
Oh shit, what do you know, THE TALES GAMES STILL HAVE MEMES. And the ones without were translated by 8-4.
Also, the exact experience is IMPOSSIBLE. Do you know what Namco does with most of their loces? Nothing, and they're shit, like the fucking Xenoverse or Sword Art Online.
One where they did change shit was Project X Zone 2 and it's localization was fantastic and had better writing than the Japanese version.
>>345402218
The one on the right's pretty funny tbqh
>>345407807
Back then we didn't know. Now that we have the internet, there's no excuse.
>>345405226
I was just about to post this, damn you.
>>345408961
What the fuck are you talking about? The first Monster Hunter was on the PS2 and had online. How old are you?
>>345408961
>he didn't have internet in 2009
>>345408406
that shit was on tri for wii?
>>345408745
I don't get why the fact that people in different parts of the world all have vastly different cultural codes is so hard to get, and on top of that the differences in language and exposure make a world of difference. want something cool and exotic/foreign? throw some random english words in. But then people don't want it changing despite the fact that you won't find it cool or exotic if you're american!
>>345409215
Yes. Damn good game and comfy online
>>345409236
Because the OP's pic show's exactly what's wrong with that. The JP text is straight-forward with no bullshit, while the localized version is "lol so quirky xD".
What bothered me isn't the change in personality, since the original didn't really have a personality. What bothers me is the fucking meme. Why would some bitch in a pre-industrial dinosaur hunting society know about 21st century memes and phrases? If she was just saying "get good" or "stop sucking" it'd make sense. But no, they had to shove in a meme where it doesn't belong.
>>345409339
So fucking what? who cares, the original is not always what is best.
Metal gear solid was just a fucking anime script until Jeremy Blaustein got ahold of it and managed to make it into something (until Japanese middle men fucked him over)
>>345409335
my african american born from slave descendants
>>345409513
>the original is not always what is best.
I want the original but in a language I can read. I don't want some schmuck who thinks they can write something better than the original creator.
It's like those faggots who do "re-writes" of doujins because they think the dialog/plot that the artist used were boring.
>>345404160
Forced characterization it's the equivalent of someone that dies their hair and get piercings but is shallow as fuck
>>345402218
>2016
>playing localized games
lmao
>/v/ hates anything even remotely resembling fun
Man, no wonder they have video games
>>345409661
are you deep, anon?
>Caring about the story
>In MonHun
/v/ will get angry about anything
>>345409628
Learn the original language then or pay a translator. Stilted awkward sentences don't appeal to most people.
>Hello. I am Questgiver #12. Here is your quest. Goodbye.
>this is what /v/ wants
>>345402218
git gud faggots need to be shit on until they are shamed out of existence.
>>345409405
Yeah it's not even good characterization. It just makes no fucking sense.
>>345409628
Unless you learn the original language, you will never ever read the original. It will always be filtered through someone else translating it.
And the translation will always be different based on whoever is translating it, because everyone has different experiences and knowledge.
>>345409924
>Stilted awkward sentences don't appeal to most people.
and OP's dialogue is natural?
The fact that you have a silent protagonist in the first place is going to make everything sound stilted.
>>345407518
Confirmed monolingual
>>345409934
If that's what the original JP version is like, that's what I want. If the JP version is quirky and meme-filled, I want it to be quirky and meme-filled.
>>345405000
Anon I found it hard to believe as well, but it's too goddamn real. There's plenty of other dialogue that's riddled with memes too.
>>345409628
>I want the original but in a language I can read.
How do you know this? how do you know it's good? if you can't read it you cannot make these value judgements, you can only have other people tell you one thing or another.
> I don't want some schmuck who thinks they can write something better than the original creator.
Again you're assuming the original creator is someone worth talking about over the translator in this case. This isn't like translating a novel it's a product, written by a team of people, with interns and other people doing some of it.
>It's like those faggots who do "re-writes" of doujins because they think the dialog/plot that the artist used were boring.
What if, they're right?
>>345409893
This is just a translation thread anyway.
OP could have use a WD screencap and the result would turn out the same.
>>345409934
"Sup dog, I am memegiver #2. I've got some spicy memes here if you're down with memes like the cool kids"
>this is the alternative
I'd rather have memes than autistic stilted weeb dialogue
>>345410032
I don't recall saying I think OP is ideal, but your idea of 1 to 1 translation is awful. I've played romhacks and shit translated like that. It's brutal.
>>345410139
>one meme offhand is the same has MEME MEME MEME MEME MEME
What am I kidding though, this is the place that thought a woman who worked in marketing was censoring their games and got her fired.
>>345410061
You don't even know what the original is, why are you so focused on getting something you have no way of confirming if it's the same or not, and more importantly why do you care?
>>345410273
Because he's a weeb piece of shit.
>>345410237
>4 dialogue boxes filled with painfully unfunny sarcasm and irony
>meme offhand
You don't even realize the issue
>got her fired
She did that to herself
>>345410273
Not that anon, but I think a translation/localization should be a faithful reproduction of the original work in the target language, conveying the same information and maintaining the same tone.
>>345410273
Because I've come to be wary and untrusting of "localizations" due to how many times they've butchered games. Pic related is a prime example of "localization" fuckery, especially from 8-4 who did MHGen and FE Awakening as recent examples.
>>345410457
People have different ideologies when it comes to translations.
>>345409963
Actually you're right, even if I replace git gud with "stop sucking" it makes no sense. She's telling you to study monsters attacks and patterns and learn them. Which is just a more elaborate way of saying "git gud"
>>345410507
8-4 has done every Monster Hunter since Tri.
Also, this is no way butchers a game. The game still fucking plays. WHY ARE YOU PLAYING MONSTER HUNTER FOR A FUCKING QUEST INTRO DIALOG?
>>345404160
>>right
>>NPC that shows some characterization and attitude
This is okay, but that is more like twitter shitposting.
>>345404160
That's characterization? Tell me anon, what's her character like, I missed it behind the loud meta whining.
>>345410457
Define faithful reproduction. Define "same tone and information"
At times of course that's easy. Especially if you only look at small sections and pick easy examples. But there are many times where the intent would be lost if you kept the same information, do you change it, or do you leave it?
>>345410639
>8-4 has done every Monster Hunter since Tri.
I'm aware, and that doesn't change my stance at all.
>Also, this is no way butchers a game
It certainly butchers the dialog, which is a part of the game, especially for games like FE Awakening and Xenoblade X (both of which got mauled by 8-4).
>WHY ARE YOU PLAYING MONSTER HUNTER FOR A FUCKING QUEST INTRO DIALOG?
I'm playing the game to have fun. Yes, the dialog in a Monster Hunter game is a rather minor portion, but that doesn't change the fact that they fucked it up.
>>345410832
How was Xenoblade mauled?
>>345405226
The example would be fine if it was shorter, and as annoying as that example was, Gearbox is still worse.
>>345410763
You just happened to pick a pretty shitty one
>>345410774
Indeed, that is a difficult judgment to make in many cases, but OP's pic and >>345410507
are some pretty good examples of how not to do it, in my opinion.
>>345410507
Come back to me when literally half the fucking game got lost in localization.
FE games are cursed by the way when it came any sort of translation be it fan or otherwise. Most are shit by nature.
>>345405106
>know your enemy and it's attack patterns is a meme
>>345411102
Wasn't the original Japanese version fan translated?
>>345411126
THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST MADE HER SAY "GO TO THE MENU" REEEEEEEEEEEE.
Can these people get their own board?
>>345410763
I did not know the games had localization bullshit in them. I could not stand Nep. The gameplay is shit, but the loli bullshit mixed with that awful localization was too much to bear.
Fuck, I can stand Ubishit games, but I expected weeb games to at least provide good gameplay.
>>345409215
>>345408406
yes but that doesn't fucking count you cherrypicking sperg, that NPC constantly says a japanese word and then translates it. That's just what that character does
>>345410832
As a hypothetical, were a more straight translation to be done in later MonHun games would this be better or worse for the series? It would be more faithful to the series however it would alienate some of the core demographic in the West.
>>345411102
Yakuza 3
Incidentally; I don't mind the jovial and occasionally memey tone of MH's translation because NO ONE reads the flavour text. Whoever had to write all of it on whatever budget they were given almost certainly just glanced over what was said, making sure to keep the red bits intact, and bullshitted at lightspeed to fill the boxes. There is literally no point in trying harder than that for reams of shit no one will read.
>>345411238
That's not how it was in Japan though! IT'S BUTCHERED NOW.
I AM SO AUTISTIC, ONE LINE BUTCHERS AN ENTIRE GAME.
>>345410907
In no particular order:
>censorship out the ass with age changes, clothes changes, etc
>said censorship was lazily done, such as a fundoshi being changed to shorts, yet the inventory picture is still a fundoshi
>removed the breast size slider from the character screen (but it can still be changed via save edits since the value is still there)
>dialog is heavily changed, such as religious references being changed/removed, memes, and so on
>>345411243
MH in general does not rely heavily upon dialog; I'm talking about localizations in general here.
>It would be more faithful to the series however it would alienate some of the core demographic in the West.
How the fuck would an accurate translation alienate the core demographic? That's like saying that NISA bringing games over uncensored would alienate the core demographic.
>it's another butchering by "memetendo"
>criticizing "git gud" when it's a totally reasonable mentality
>using the word "gross"
I want these people to die.
>>345411205
Yes. But that's not the point.
Point is localizations can be easily be worse nowadays.
Back then they would take entire game portions out. Why? Who fucking knows.
>>345411297
I will slightly concede to your example.
Slightly because at least Sega admitted they fucked up.
>>345410832
What's butchered? The dialog was rougly the same, nothing really changed except words used. Butchered would be if they changed the entire scenario, but I don't see what's wrong here.
>>345403967
1000x this
Hideo Kojima was really onto something with MGSV
>>345402218
>Have you ever been so anally annihilated by something you make a thread about it?
nope
>>345411407
1. The Japanese version had memes too. Infact, one meme was REPLACED with another in the localization.
2. What religious references were removed? I saw plenty in the game.
>>345410507
>any of that
>problem
All the same information comes out, there are some differences but that could easily be down to wider changes.
>>345411102
That was more just "lets cut the story out, because fuck you"
>>345410639
Why should people ignore something that's awful just because other things aren't broken?
If I added anime intro music blaring at maximum volume that can't be turned off/down to your favorite game would it be ok because it still plays?
>>345411549
It's not really butchering the bill of rights if we change a few words here and there. If the entire document was changed then it would be wrong but if we only do away with a few critical amendments and what they cover it's no biggie.
This is what you sound like.
>>345411723
I love Dragon's Dogma and Vanilla SFIV. It wouldn't really bother me at all. It doesn't hinder the actual game one bit.
>caring about any of the text in Monhun
LITERALLY kill yourself if you do this.
> People unironically read the dialogue in Monhun games
ahahahaha what a bunch of fags
>>345408846
>One where they did change shit was Project X Zone 2 and it's localization was fantastic and had better writing than the Japanese version.
Some of the references in that were actually pretty sweet. Segata is best girl. Chrom/Lucina make that game a fucking joke.
>>345402218
Normally against this sort of thing, but both are advice being given to the player. Left is "anti-monster strats" (limited use), right is "how to counter asshole online players" (inaccurately described, but moderately useful).
It's not the same as changing characterization dialogue, and it's not memetastic, so it doesn't matter to me.
You know what *I* hate? American English.
>dialog
Dialogue.
>color
Colour.
>armor
Armour.
>could care less
You dumbfucks.
>celebrity reference
THAT ISN'T A FUCKING JOKE.
>>345411549
The dialog went from being "here's the directions" to "let's throw in memes and some wacky zany talk".
>>345411706
>All the same information comes out
Except for the part where Henry is going to kill the dog, which is never once mentioned in the localized version. There's also the point that Henry is very serious and blunt in his speech in the JP version, while the localized version has him act like fucking Carlos.
Gregor got similar treatment, in that his JP version is a grumpy old merc, while his localized version makes him a goofball Russian who uses a highly stereotypical "Russian" way of speaking.
>>345411759
constitutionalism requires interpretation
The words are never as important as the ideals they express. I'm sure the drafters did not have faggots in mind when they drafted the 14th amendment.
"It can't be helped" irritates me just as much as "it is what it is".
Fucking words that say nothing.
>>345411706
We lost missions too anon.
Although if we're gonna start bringing up story/characterizations lost in localization. I could say almost any Front Mission game we got officially too(The devs even admitted it)
>>345411407
>How the fuck would an accurate translation alienate the core demographic?
Well, if the prior games in the series had quirky dialogue it is what the audience that played through the series for the last many years would be used to. If this were to change suddenly it would alienate the demographic that was built up prior to the release of the new game despite the newer localization being closer to the original intent. Strictly speaking, when working with localizations the core demographic of the region does not necessarily get the same experience as what was originally intended
>>345411759
Except nothing "critical" was taken away, the scenario is completely the same besides a bit of the words changed.
>he waited 9 months for this
lmao
>>345411759
I'll take "false equivalence" for 500, Alex.
>>345411959
>adding unnecessary letters because it makes you feel fancy
Euroshits everybody
go back to neppit
>>345404323
>that doujin that pic is from
man that was an insane ride. Didn't even fap, was too entrertained.
>>345402218
I didn't know Gearbox was involved in the Monster Hunter series.
>>345412021
I guess it can't be helped..
>>345412075
You seem to believe the core audience of MH doesn't closely follow (or even import) the JP version of the game. Anyone who knew about Monster Hunter imported MHX via piracy or HANS (legit copy with homebrew which worked even on the latest firmware).
This isn't some "casual" audience we're talking about here that doesn't know that the game exists in Japan or outside of their own country.
>Caring about the story over the gameplay
When did /v/ become so casual?
>>345412175
>Welshfags
Even the Welsh hate the Welsh language. The only reason it's not completely dead is students get huge scholarships and benefits for studying it on the side.
>>345411959
Since when was dialogue spelled dialog in American English? Also what the fuck do the last two things have to do with American English.
>>345411959
I swear I could hear Liquid Snake while reading this and he was really pissed off
>>345412290
MonHun is literally the japanese call of duty it's super casual.
>>345412105
A translator should be trying their best to maintain the original intended tone. Not doing too much because they wish they were a writer.
Imagine if these idiots were doing this shit as interpreters?
>>345403967
As much as I'll rag on him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUYlqLlbix0
mostly part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoJ_BWQ9Kow
Luckily Bherna Gal is the only obnoxious character in terms of dialogue.
>>345412397
>it's super casual
Do you just play low rank quests or what.
>>345412430
It's a video game about hunting monsters who fucking gives a shit.
>>345411959
Actually, dialog stems from the same root as a shipping log. Which was originally a disposable piece of wood (hence log)
"logue" as in catalogue comes from the Latin root "logus", which means to pick out or to enroll
Dialog is the proper spelling. It's always hilarious when people try to smugly correct you and then end up getting it wrong themselves.
War of the Lions:
Argath: You, no less human than we? Ha! Now there's a beastly thought. You've
been less than we from the moment your baseborn father fell upon your mother in
whatever gutter saw you sired! You've been chattel since you came into the
world drenched in common blood!
Milleuda: By whose decree!? Who decides such foul and absurd things?
Argath: 'Tis heaven's will!
Milleuda: Heaven's will? You would pin your bigotry on the gods? No god would
fain forgive such sin, much less embrace it! All men are equal in the eyes of
the gods!
Argath: Men, yes. But the gods have no eyes for chattel.
Milleuda: You speak of devils, not gods!
Delita: Ramza, is this woman truly our enemy?
PS1:
Algus: Human? Hmph, ridiculous! From the minute you were born
you had to obey us! From the second you were born you were our
animals!!
Miluda: Says who!? That's nonsense! Who decided all this?!
Algus: It's the Will of Heaven!
Miluda: Heaven? God would never say such things! In his eyes,
all are equal! He'd never let this happen! Never!
Algus: Animals have no God!!
Miluda: !!!!
Delita: Ramza, Is she really our enemy....?
アルガス
「同じ人間だと? フン、汚らわしいッ!
「生まれた瞬間からおまえたちはオレたち貴族に尽くさねばならない!
「生まれた瞬間からおまえたちはオレたち貴族の家畜なんだッ!!
ミルウーダ
「誰が決めたッ!? そんな理不尽なこと、誰が決めたッ!
アルガス
「それは天の意志だ!
ミルウーダ
「天の意志? 神がそのようなことを宣うものか!
「神の前では何人たりとも平等のはず! 神はそのようなことをお許しにはならない! なるはずがないッ!
アルガス
「家畜に神はいないッ!!
ミルウーダ
「!!!!
ディリータ
「ラムザ、 彼女は本当に僕らの敵なのか…?
>>345402218
But her description is literally git gud.
>>345412397
I meant the audience. Anyone who plays MH in America knows of its existence in Japan, they know that MH often gets JP exclusive DLC, and so on and so forth. As in, the audience is relatively well-informed in regards to the game itself. They wouldn't suddenly be shocked if Capcom said "look, we did an accurate translation this time instead of botching it".
>>345411205
>>345411102
Still missing the second disc, only the first one was fantranslated.
>>345412261
No shit,
anybody have that pic of the anon perfectly imitating their style of writing?
>>345411992
Point out the meme please. Also, Henry is still a joker in both versions, but he is more blunt in the JP version as you said.
>>345411992
>Except for the part where Henry is going to kill the dog, which is never once mentioned in the localized version.
Not true in the slightest. The girl made enough implications for the audience to assume that he was going to kill the dog.
And again, certain character type mean different things in Japan vs places that aren't japan.
>>345412046
Yeah but those missions were lost because the story to get to them was cut IIRC.
>>345412495
The main audience does since it's Call of Duty: Weeb Edition.
I don't see anything wrong desu
It's only one meme, and not forced in any way
Besides, left is bland, and useless info for any good player
>>345412397
Ive been teaching there for 4 years. Nigga you have no fucking clue what youre talking about
>>345412504
That is their one job and they do a piss poor job of it. It's not like the translator also codes the game.
>RPG never gets localized
>fan translation patch released
>walkthroughs online all use different names for equipment and cities
>>345412712
>using walkthroughs
Acquire proficiency, nerd
>>345412430
Again, barely anything was changed. The original tone is pretty much the same. This isn't a good example, how about Xenoblade X? I would actually be inclined to agree that they fucked it up there.
>>345412665
I'd rather not read some obvious instructions
>>345412529
>tfw Americans don't know what a chattel is
>>345412598
Last I checked, "git gud" is a pretty fucking bog standard meme even here on /v/.
>>345412609
>implications
It was outright said in the JP version, and it wasn't outright said in the localized version. That's the entire point.
>>345412665
Who cares about the story it's the gameplay that matters.
>>345412571
Oh. Whoops.
>>345412609
Fine fine. I'm still gonna say we flat out lost gameplay though(Well mission) but whatever.
>>345412780
YOU play dragon quest 2 and don't look up where the mandatory invisible items are.
>>345402218
>Have you ever been so anally annihilated by something you localize a game about it?
I had to read this like 10 times to even understand what the fuck you were saying this is some "has anyone gone as far"-tier word salad.
What was going through your head when you wrote this OP?
>>345412810
>It was outright said in the JP version, and it wasn't outright said in the localized version. That's the entire point.
If that's the leg you're going to try and stand on then you're going to fall over quite quickly.
Japanese has absolutely tons of implied context where English does not, should the English try to only imply context rather than directly stating it?
>>345403967
I'm okay with localization if it is something that only works in Japanese as in the actual Japanese language not their culture. So like a specific dialect of Japan that can't translate to english so they localize it to a dialect in english that would have a similar meaning to the dialect in Japan.
>>345412847
>Fine fine. I'm still gonna say we flat out lost gameplay though(Well mission) but whatever.
Oh no I won't disagree with you. I'm just saying in the case of electrosphere it was less localisation/translation more the decision "fuck having story"
I have no idea why they did that. But they did.
yet>/v/ literally defends this
>>345412871
>Have you ever been so anally annihilated by something that you localized a game about it?
wow so hard to understand
>>345412936
All I'm saying is I want the straight translation, as seen on the right. I don't care if you think it's "stilted" or short; that's exactly what I want in a game. I don't want a localization where some random individual who is not the original writer went "gee I think THIS is better than the original!".
>>345411959
Riddle me this, britbong. Is color pronounced cull-oor? No? Then take the U out.
I don't understand how English people can get this wrong. Take an English class and understand the literal rules YOU made up about YOUR language and then think about how you're spelling words like fucking retards.
>>345412816
Yeah and all of those extra useless sentences being thrown in keeps you from it.
>>345413037
>missing snow queen
You sure?
>>345407518
しょうがないね?
>>345412871
retard.
>>345413052
yes, that's not the way it was written though.
It literally took a retake to decipher what was missing.
>>345413090
It's not pronounced "col or" either. It's more like "cullah".
>>345412529
I dunno, 'Animals have no God' is a pretty devastating thing to say, and punchier than the chattel line.
>>345413153
Well it's true, it's all useless dialogue that has nothing to do with the gameplay.
>>345413029
Oh. Well okay then.
>>345413037
They just defend the bitching OST that got lost the PSP remake.
Oh and Black Mark I guess.
>>345413005
>Kansai-ben
>eyo niggaa
>>345413221
>so terrible at reading comprehension that you couldn't fill in a missing word
Mad Libs must be a nightmare.
>>345413230
NE please go
>>345413090
"or" sounds like ore
do you retards pronounce it "cuh-lore"? I didn't think so
>>345404160
Weebs don't want female characters to be dorky, they want them to be shallow fucktoys. The only personalities they're allowed to have are
>shy, but wants to fuck the virgin loser
>mean, but wants to fuck the virgin loser
>slutty and of course wants to fuck the virgin loser
As soon as they start to have personalities you may encounter in the real world, they become garbage.
Who honestly cares about translations in a fucking Monster Hunter game. It's not like it's a RPG, the text hardly even matters.
I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and i'm gonna do it /v/ whats the best way to start
>>345412447
NO, EVERYTHING MUST BE DIRECT, NO FUN, NO CULTURAL DIFFERENCES, ENGLISH IS EVIL
>>345413434
>Weebs don't want female characters to be dorky
Stop talking literally immediately.
>>345411959
>die-a-logooey
>cuh-lure
>ar-moo-er
You know what *I* hate? British spelling.
>>345413407
>so terrible at reading comprehension he didn't read the part where he said he understood it after reading it 10 times
>"GUESS THAT MEANS HE DIDNT UNDERSTAND WHAT A RETARD LOL LEARN 2 READ"
what's another day on /v/ without projecting cuckbois.
>>345413434
I play video games to escape the real world
>>345413089
And I'm saying you have a complete lack of understanding of language, translation and have no idea how many things are assumed, thrown in, etc in even the most "neutral" translation possible.
You also worship the "original" as if it's an immortal standard, if you want the original, learn Japanese. Because the second it becomes English it's different.
>>345413632
>everything is pronounced exactly as it is spelled
Don't stab me with your knife, I've got a sword ready.
>>345413564
Hiragana and Katakana.
>>345402218
Only manchildren afraid of criticism spout git gud. Saying git gud is a deflection and only shows your poor skill and attitude as a hunter and gamer. I wish this shitty teenager mentality deflection never got popular, it's essentially modern day >implying because it allows you to ignore something presented to you that you cant refute and just spout a childish one liner and run away from any discussion you cant handle.
>>345413089
People who don't agree with this are fucking retarded.
A drastic comparison to this is Cardcaptor Sakura here in the US. It was changed in every way and is essentially a new product.
I want the original. I want to see what the original creators intended, not what some localization team with a chip on their shoulder wants.
>>345413703
>everything is pronounced exactly as it is spelled
can you think of a single good reason not to have this?
>>345413691
>Classicist are niggers
Accurate.
>>345413564
Read a book.
genki1.jpg
>>345402218
>reading dialogue in MH
>>345413564
git gud
>>345413434
>>345413678
Pretty much this.
If we're going for realism in 'murica, how about having 70% of the characters being overweight and ugly while we're at it? You're a weeb virgin if you want attractive characters in your games.
>>345413805
It's just a meme don't take it so seriously.
>>345413423
http://www.wordfind.com/ends-with/or/
>conqueror
>color
>conquerour
>colour
two of these words are wrong.
>>345405226
Is that an actual transcript of Gearbox dialogue?
I legitimately can't tell.
>>345413825
>language
>reason
THINK for one fucking second before you wiggle those fat little fingers.
>>345413898
I wouldn't if it just stayed a shit meme and wasn't genuinely used like I described.
>>345413905
"Color" and "Conquerour", what do I win
>>345413825
It makes me feel smart when I can correct people
I don't have much in life. Let me have this.
>>345412712
I hate when they choose retarded sounding name when the real name should be obvious. e.g. Gattsu instead of Guts, Arucardo instead of Alucard etc etc.
>>345413691
>Because the second it becomes English it's different.
There's no denying that. However, OP's pic shows that the official localized version is FAR more inaccurate than the fan sub that is under the JP text. I fully understand that a perfect 100% accurate translation is impossible, but that doesn't mean you should meme it up and add bullshit that never existed originally.
>>345413980
It depends on the argument, someone who complains about tank controls in survival horror for instance just needs to fucking git gud. Tank controls are not bad at all and they are very intuitive.
>>345413815
What part of unless you speak Japanese you will never get it do you not get? the second you put it to English things change.
>I want to experience this in it's native Japanese!
>but without all that learning Japanese though, that's hard :<
>>345412246
Care to give out the sauce?
Couldn't find anything on Google, and I have no idea who the artist is, or the series it's from.
>>345414063
>Every single old FAQ for a JRPG ever
At least people aren't having that shit anymore.
>>345413905
>Americans actually think that conqueror rhymes with colour
holy shit
>>345414064
Different is not the same as bad, strict aherance to the original is not a standard to be universally held.
Metal Gear Solid, again, only benefited from the fact that Blaustien fucked around with the corny anime script.
>>345413090
>Riddle me this, britbong. Is color pronounced cull-oor? No? Then take the U out.
I always draw the "u" part way out for literally like five seconds whenever I read the Britbong version aloud.
>>345414063
Guts is already a stupid name
>>345413090
Except colour is pronounced "cull-oor", how in the fuck do you pronounce it? "Coll-oor"?
>>345414269
>Different is not the same as bad
I fully disagree. I don't care even if you could somehow make the dialog better or even improve the gameplay. If it's not the original, it's not the original. I want what Japan got, but in English (or as close to that as possible, as I stated before).
>>345414297
I've met americans before
they pronounce it like shirt "collar"
>>345414276
Ok, but it fits the character. He was named for being born in his mother's guts because the dude that adopted him thought it would be a funny joke.
Gattsu makes no sense. Alucard is Dracula reversed. Arrucardo is fucking nothing.
>complaining about a monster hunter localization's goofiness
Come the fuck on. The silly dialogue is practically english monster hunter's charm points. The example in OP's pic also means jack shit because things like the hunter's notes don't help you with anything anyways so who gives a shit?
>people complain about the localization in a game where you read text maybe once and then mash the button to skip everything
I hate when they shoehorn dumb internet references in games too but come on
>>345414068
It works well in resident evil because it's designed around it. comparatively, In monhun the available control mechanics do not compliment the other design choices in the game like they do in resident evil. Monhun doesn't have much of a learning curve for the gameplay itself so much as it does for the limitations imposed on the player by the monsters mobility, your recovery options, your stamina, and the type of weapon you're using. You're actually fighting against poor and conflicting design choices more than you're really fighting monsters.
>>345414427
>Gattsu makes no sense. Alucard is Dracula reversed. Arrucardo is fucking nothing.
Both of those are the romanized versions of how you pronounce their names in Japan.
>>345414382
>If it's not the original, it's not the original. I want what Japan got, but in English (or as close to that as possible, as I stated before).
Then do it yourself.
>>345413434
Exactly how in the fuck does the left one make it look like the character wants to fuck the player?
Seems to me like a case of projection bordering on the comically absurd.
>>345414426
I'm American and I've only ever heard "cull-er"
>>345414491
>people complain
Come on
>>345414382
>character has a name made of random english words
>Japan: wow, mysterious foreigner
>you: why the fuck is his name the mysterious gourmet?
>>345414518
context matters, retard
>>345414640
Come on what?
>>345414426
I can promise you not one single American dialect does that, and you are lying through your busted British teeth.
Almost all US dialects go with "cull-er".
>>345414426
Jesus Christ.
>>345414063
>Rioreia becomes Rathian
>Rioreusu becomes Rathalos
>Jinouga becomes Zinogre
>Iburujo becomes Deviljho
>Dinovaldo becomes Glavenus
>Hapurubokka becomes Nibelsnarf
>"check hunter notes" becomes "get gud"
My ideal translation philosophy is that translators should do their best to make it sound like natural english speech or writing. Direct translations often sound weird or stilted because Japanese people just don't talk in the same way as western people. Rewriting dialogue to sound more natural is fine as long as the original information, intent and tone is preserved as much as possible. Completely changing the message just because you feel like it is plain wrong, but going in the opposite direction and leaving shit untranslated because you don't think you can approximate it accurately isn't right either. If there's a pun or joke or whatever that only makes sense in Japanese, try your best to make a similar one that works in English.
If there's some kind of reference, pun or cultural item that just can't be given an accurate translation, then either ignore it and just sacrifice the reference for the sake of natural speech, or leave it in with an approximate translation (if necessary) and then include an explanation in a supplementary document. Don't plaster translator's notes on the screen, and DEFINITELY don't try to translate cultural elements by using a western equivalent (like making rice balls fucking donuts). It's enough for me to know that takoyaki is food, which is easily communicated through context alone. If I really want to know what it is, I can look it up or read the supplementary material.
>>345414126
Listen you dense mother fucker, I'm saying that localization goes too far in too many fucking situations. I don't want to play a fucking meme'd up version of the same thing.
Maybe you like memes, hell, maybe you read fucking Emojio and Juliette and enjoyed it, but not everyone wants something full of shitty references that everyone will hate in a year.
I want something as close to the original intent as possible.
>>345414518
I'm aware. I'm saying you're a shitty translator if you feed the English audience what is essentially a mispronunciation.
Clearly if the Japanese dude spoke fluent english he would say Guts is correct as Miura has since done. You're intentionally fucking up out of basically just weebness.
>>345414426
>>345414297
>>345414718
>idiots going back and forth lying to each other
Is this some new form of meta-trolling?
>>345414721
DEFINITELY.
>>345414492
I haven't played much of Monster Hunter but I did play the 3DS games a bit and I admit it controlled like shit. My main point is that some people really do just need to git gud and stop bitching.
>>345414721
Why do people insist on having "their" philosophy when there are centuries worth of discussion on it and they have read none of it. It's like nigga do you want to fucking do math from square one? no? then why do the same for philosophy. Ya'll just gonna spend your entire life doing plato.
>>345414831
And I'm saying you have an incoherent opinion that comes from your lack of understanding of language.
You want Japanese? fucking learn it.
>>345403967
Japanese culture is garbage
>>345414719
>Jinouga becomes Zinogre
Zinogre actually makes more sense. Electric ogre.
>Iburujo becomes Deviljho
No, Evil-joh became Devil-joh because it sounds better.
>>345403967
Video games aren't like literature.
>>345414721
You're the smartest fucking retard in this thread right now.
>>345414904
Because some of us can't speak japanese and we want to receive a product in a certain way and not have it be butchered and filled with memes or SJW bullshit.
>>345413805
You didn't git gud, did you?
>>345415020
But the literature in them is.
>>345415117
>and not have it be butchered and filled with memes or SJW bullshit.
You claim things that have none of that do, so there is no pleasing you.
>>345415117
L E A R N
Or at least learn about the hundreds of years worth of debate about translation theory if you want to debate translation theory.
>>345414702
>>345414841
I used to work in cognitive testing for the elderly. We had one test where the narrator would list off 15 unrelated words, and the subject would have to repeat them back.
The first draft of the test had to be scrapped because so many subjects were mistaking the word "color" for the word "collar". It confounded the entire datapool.
The same thing happened for the words "bill" and "bell", but to a lesser degree
I shit you not.
>>345410207
Because an NPC telling you how to use your inventory and other game mechanics is so fucking stilted.
>>345411959
>could care less
I'm normally a guy that can just let something go, but as soon as a hear someone say that I immediately correct them. Drives me up the wall.
>>345412576
It's already here. Really early in the thread.
>>345412296
Gameplay is paramount, but caring about the story of a game shouldn't make you a casual.
>>345415256
I'm American, and I pronounce it:
>Color = Cull - Er
>Collar = Call - Are
>>345410507
>>345402218
These translations are fine. This isn't classic literature, it's a video game made by nobodies that will be forgotten in the next couple generations. Regardless if you read the official english translations or the actual direct word for word translations, an hour later you'll still remember the same general idea.
If it bothers you so much that you want to get the game 100% the way the developer intended it to be, then learn japanese.
>>345415201
>You claim things that have none of that do, so there is no pleasing you.
wat.
>>345415203
>if you want to debate translation theory.
I'm not interested in debating. I will only buy products that are translated as accurately as possible in a way that works in english and aren't filled with memes and SJW shit, also no censorship. If any of that crap is in the game then the company won't be getting my money.
>>345415012
Are you honestly saying intent can't be carried across languages?
>>345410763
found the problem anon, it's right in the image
>NISA
pretty easy to spot
>>345415386
>Call - Are
Really?
>>345414861
>use healing item
>have to stand there for 4 and a half seconds
>270 frames of literally being an immobile vulnerable target
>get hit while healing
>gotta do this dance again
>don't use healing item
>die
>2/3 carts remaining
this basically doesn't matter anymore in MHgen since adept evade is like 100 iframes and you're less likely to get romped but on the other hand using healing items has been increased to 5 whole seconds 300 frames of sucking your own dick waiting to get anally boned.
dark souls is piss easy when you can heal and retain mobility and it's over in 2 seconds.
>>345415256
Brother, I have lived all over the US and Europe for my entire life. Not one person anywhere, in any real location or in any media, pronounce color and collar the same, nor bill and bell.
As for myself:
color = "cull-er"
collar = "call-er"
>>345415203
>LEARN THE LANGUAGE LOL STOP FUCKING WITH MY SAFE SPACE
>>345415503
That's how everyone says it around me, and I live in NYC. Have I been pronouncing collar wrong for my entire life?
>>345415452
Yes it can, and it is. You think it isn't because I have no idea, maybe abstract thought is hard.
This is what I mean when I say you have an incoherent opinion.
>>345415628
Here in STRAYA it's "Coll - Ah"
>>345415017
there was a sense of progression in the post you replied to but apparently you don't know how to pronounce words so you missed it.
near literal translations of monster names became retarded verb diarrhea.
>>345415569
I should have known better than to argue with a pronunciation expert
Maybe it's just me but I usually just skip the everything everybody says. I'm HR4 in the village and I only read the dialog for when they give you the fake urgent quest.
>>345410763
To be fair, the point of her and her games are to be filled with obnoxious internet and game memes, jokes, and references, so it IS in line with the original script, it's just obnoxious in an English way.
>>345415460
It's IFI you dumb ass shit.
>>345415712
It's either "Call - Are" or "Coll - Er", depending on who you ask. It's like how some Americans say Orange as "Are - Ange".
>>345415764
>you don't know how to pronounce words
Explain yourself, please.
>>345402218
The translation on the left is false.
>>345415848
Actually those are images from Neptunia PP, which was translated/localized by NISA. It's also one of the main reasons NISA was fired and now IFI handles the translations.
>>345415848
Look at the damn image for two seconds dipshit, it's right in the fucking middle.
Also >>345415837 isn't wrong.
>>345415768
You should have. I'm a certified linguist, you complete idiot.
>>345415986
it's completely accurate, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>345415634
Am I being fucking baited here?
I'M SAYING INTENT CAN BE CARRIED ACROSS LANGUAGES AND "LOCALIZATION TEAMS" SHOULD DO THAT. NOT CHANGE SHIT TO HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MEANINGS.
Are you a fucking treehouse employee or something? Nobody would defend changing intent and filling shit with memes.
>>345403967
Because Japanese straight translated to English reads like autism without nuance
>>345416281
and I'm saying that you seem to be incapable of breaking down things to actually see what intent is.
>>345409628
>It's like those faggots who do "re-writes" of doujins because they think the dialog/plot that the artist used were boring.
I get so butthurt when I find a doujins only to see "rewrite" on its title. Has happened a couple of times.
>>345412936
In the case the other Anon was talking about the character flat out stated they were going to kill the dog. It wasn't implied.
>>345402218
Wow the Japanese are so boring. They have no sense of humor.
Why was it okay when Kid Icarus did this shit but now it's suddenly bad? Is it because we need to hat Nintendo now?
>>345416486
>http://exhentai.org/tag/language%3Arewrite
>Showing 1-25 of 1,480
keks
>>345415013
this website isn't for you
please fuck off
>>345402218
Localized translation gives the character personality. The direct translation reads like something a computer would shit out.
I'm fine with them changing Raizekusu to Astalos since the stupid fuckin monster literally uses 80% copy pasted Rathalos animations and it's japanese name follows the alliteration pattern of the japanese Rathalos.
I can't fuckin for the life of me figure out how they went from Dinovaldo to Glavenus though since it's pretty much a Deviljho variant.
>>345416895
It's bad enough that MH games are frustrating an unrewarding, i don't need some useless fucking shit NPC giving me sass and attitude on top of that.
like please nigga, i can close my 3DS and let the battery die at that point I'm not about to wait 9 seconds to properly power it down.
Before you know it, games everywhere will be featuring "cuck" and "kys".
Why can't there be actal humor anymore?
>>345417154
Because using dank memes is a lot easier. Who cares if the meme is awkward or no one understands it in ~10 years from now, right?
>>345416901
Dunno. Its tail looks like a glaive is what I assumed.
>>345414382
>I don't care even if you could somehow make the dialog better or even improve the gameplay
>ACTUALLY defending "Attack while the tail is up!" from FF7
>>345417154
Delete your account
>>345413564
See you in 4 years anon. Maybe we can translate FE5 and Fates.
>made up monsters have names like dinovaldo, vulganos, gamuto, raizex, jinouga
>lavasioth
>glaive-anus
>zinogre
why bother doing this
>>345417154
If you look at things like the new Powerpuff Girls and "quirky late teen to early 20s show 4" now, you can see the future of translations.
>>345414126
I'm able to read and understand both languages, and some English translations are quite good and others are almost entirely different products. Of course the other anon doesn't want something like 馬の骨uma no hone literally: Horses bones, but it is an idiom for an unknown personto read as horses bones, but wants the content of the original to be as close as possible. This is how it should be.
>>345414064
Making up shit is horrible. Adding spice is fucking fine, but there is a night and day difference in OP's comparison.
>>345417546
A translator's job is to translate, not read the original text, decide they can do better, and then write whatever the fuck they want. If you want to be a writer, do it on your own time. Don't take out your frustrations on someone else's work because they actually got published.
>>345417697
wait are you actually complaining about "zinogre"?
why? it sounds rad and is basically how it's pronounced in japan as Jinouga.
Not really been learning japanese getting pretty good at it too. I'll need to learn chinese and korean too soon though.
>>345405106
Not only Japan.
Every person who can in twitter see how retarded american society.
>>345413564
Head to /int/'s 日本語スレッド and read the OP post.
>>345417963
while i do complain about everything, i import these games and get attached to their japanese names. it really tosses my salad m8
>>345417863
>A translator's job is to translate, not read the original text, decide they can do better, and then write whatever the fuck they want.
But that's exactly how every good translations were made
>>345418180
I see enough in 4chan.
>>345402218
>git gud
This is fake, right?
>>345418346
But your opinion is objectively wrong.
>>345404160
>Left
>gives you concise and helpful information about the game
>Right
>some fag venting his butthurt about an internet meme he doesn't like
>>345402218
>git gud
monster hunter souls when?
>>345417846
>that guy is the bee's knees
>that guy is the horses bones
literally nothing wrong with introducing cultural language. That's literally how language even evolved in the first place. English has changed drastically in the past 500 years alone.
>>345417846
Thank you for not being a retard.
>>345418579
Sounds like the one that's butthurt is you :o)
>>345418654
forgot image.
>>345408406
You're fucking retarded.
>OP's example
An NPC informs you about the game in Japanese. That same NPC doesn't inform you about anything and instead acts as a mouthpiece for some editor's butthurt about an internet meme they don't like.
>Your example
An NPC informs you about the game in Japanese. In English, they inform you about the game with an internet meme thrown in for some dumb humor.
>>345416895
The character is a fucking data dump. It doesn't need personality. The sole reason for it's existence is to convey game mechanics.
>>345402218
If the NPC has like 3+ variations of that same script, there really would be nothing wrong with the official localization
>>345416062
Do you regret any choices you've made in life?
BRING BACK BOWGUN CUSTOMIZATION!
There is literally ZERO (0) reason to not learn Japanese right now.
>>345419130
What if you live in a southern state or a south western state?
>It's another I don't want to learn japanese but I want to complain thread
>>345419130
>wasting time on a language you will only use for video games when you can learn Russian or Arabic, which you can literally get jobs by doing.
Japanophiles everyone.
>>345402218
Reminder that they also changed a monsters name to Mizutsune because they thought you'd be too stupid to read Tamamitsune
Reminder that these are the same people localizing NieR
>>345419321
>Russian
>Arabic
>jobs
What? Farming potatos, pretending to get hit by cars, and suicide bombing?
>>345418654
>that guy is the horses bones
If you just leave that in there you've lost the meaning of the phrase. It is an idiom. It means an unknown person, and is usually derogative.
>>345418346
Name 3 vidya examples.
>>345419501
I actually got a job with a firm in Kuwait and I don't know dick about speaking Arabic, so that poster is even more of a dumb nig.
>>345419251
>>345419321
You can't have your cake and eat it. If you wish to experience Jap media "as it should be", then you simply learn nip. Otherwise continue bitching and hope for that astronomical chance that a localization feels just right to you, only to find some other EOP bitching about it.
>>345419501
Government jobs you idiot. Those are the two languages they want you to speak.
>>345419501
Russian is real damn important for the steel and shipping industry.
Can get a good paying job if you speak it really easily.
>>345419321
I learned Japanese decades ago because I wanted to read comic books. I'm pretty happy with it. I can visit 2chan and argue with retards there too.
>>345419703
>I can visit 2chan and argue with retards there too.
That must be fun.
>>345419664
Yeah, the day one fan translation patch.
>>345411407
>age changes
This didn't happen. There was some misinformation going around before the game out that Lin was aged up in the English version but she's explicitly stated to be 13 in the game.
>>345419703
>>345419843
Not him, but from my own experience it's depressingly similar to some parts of 4chan
Not /v/ though... usually
literal translations should be used in every case except when the text is rhyming, alliterating, or using another grammar or sound structure where a direct translation may not convey that at all. In cases like these, transliteration should be used instead.
Literally writing an incoherent and entirely unrelated wall-of-text as the translation is buttfucking retarded.
There was a mistranslation in Dead or Alive 5 from a japanese girl who wears kimonos and is a geisha in training where in Japanese she recites a feudal-era proverb as one of her win quotes. In the english translation she just says "cherry blossoms and warriors"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hana_wa_sakuragi,_hito_wa_bushi
>>345418654
Actually, 400 years ago was the last time English suffered a drastic change (the homogenization of vowel sounds from the various english regions), and it's been essentially dead steady since then. You can expect that it'll still be the nearly same for the next few thousand years, for the same reason that Icelandic has been nearly unchanged for the last 1000 years: It was cemented in great literary works like the King James Bible and Shakespeare. There's too much writing, from then all the way to now, for isolated pockets to begin deviating like languages did thousands of years ago.
A couple of shifted vowels, some new words from the times (like "newspaper," "computer," "airplane"), a few slangs and idioms - that's all you can expect to change over the next several thousand years.
Bilingual here. I speak both English and Japanese. You fuckers need to shut up with this meme that translating something exactly leaves it "awkward and stilted".
It's not difficult to translate something, then alter it to make the sentence flow naturally. This is literally the most basic form of translation.
This localization is shit, and not just because it loses the meaning of the original text, not only because it's filled with stupid fucking memes, but because it wastes my fucking time and doesn't teach me anything new about the game or the world of the characters.
It's stupid, dumb, inflated text that adds """""personality""""" to the series and I'm really fucking sick of it in the English versions. I just spam the A button in these games and ignore all this stupid time wasting shit, and I wish I could just sit back and enjoy this stuff.Also, what's up with this translation specifically? I noticed Killer Beetle is switched to fucking Shiny Beetle? It's always been Killer Beetle, in Japanese it's fucking キラビートル which is literally pronounced "kira biitoru". This indicates that the translators read the text for the description of the bug, and then changed the fucking name because they thought it fit better. Yes I'm fucking mad.
>>345402218
Isn't arguing over this moot anyways since the heady Wycademy guy not only gives you the monster notes for free, but also explains how to access them? Wouldn't it be redundant to hear it from two different sources?
>>345416676
what's funny is that Nintendo has nothing to do with it
The worst part is that this "git gud" garbage started here on /v/
>>345416676
Because the localization was done incredibly well and we know full well that Sakurai gave permission for them to do that. Also, the changes mostly involve tweaking characters to make them funnier or exaggerate their personalities, not entirely changing the meaning of the fucking text.
Lurk more.
>>345420031
the worst part is it takes capcom nearly an entire year to fucking localize these games.
japs have already gotten hyped, pre-ordered, waited patiently, got the game, played it for hundreds of hours and moved on by the time we get it and all the footage you could ever want to see of these games is already uploaded in full before there's even a solid western release date.
If 'translations' like these are what they're spending their time and resources on then they may as well file for bankruptcy.
>>345420343
lolno
>>345412529
War of the Lions is shit
>>345420474
There is literally no reason for the translations to take this amount of time.
Think of how much time, effort, and coordination goes into localizing this shit. They have to put in so much effort to effectively gut the text and redo it to make it """"funny"""".
I'm sending a message to Capcom, as I do with every game that has a shitty translation. I realize I could play these games in Japanese, but my friends play them in English, so I'm kind of forced to.
>>345420343
No one asked for it to be PUT INTO video games
>>345420367
>Also, the changes mostly involve tweaking characters to make them funnier or exaggerate their personalities, not entirely changing the meaning of the fucking text.
Treehouse did rewrite parts of the script though
>getting butthurt over an irrelevant piece of dialogue getting changed to be more entertaining when real problems like this exist.
>>345420031
masaka...
>>345402218
To be fair, "le git gud xD" is a cancerous shit phrase that should have died a long time ago.
More often than not, the people who spout it are not even really good at the game themselves, they just have absolutely nothing useful to say.
>>345402218
>says don't "git gud"
>explains that you have to "git gud" but without saying those words
I don't understand
>>345420612
>I realize I could play these games in Japanese, but my friends play them in English, so I'm kind of forced to.
You're forcing yourself, genius. Also, games like MH would take long regardless simply because of how much text they have to translate, edit, and recheck.
>>345420612
>I realize I could play these games in Japanese, but my friends play them in English, so I'm kind of forced to.
"I don't play games to play them, I play them as a social exercise with my friends"
What the fuck?
>>345414063
>There's are still people who insist the main character of Death Note's name is "Raito"
>>345420659
It wouldn't have if you faggots hadn't forced it so goddamn much
>>345420765
>Yukumo
what
>>345420765
Why are people this bad at writing hired? *blush*
>>345420031
If you don't mind me asking, why did you learn Japanese and how long did it take?
>>345420879
DONT DRIVE TO MEME COUNTRY. Game localizers are supposed to be 40-50 year old men out of touch with what they're localizing. Not 20something numales.
>>345403967
>/v/ loves Phoenix Wright and Digital Devil Saga
>pretends they want straight translations because of a few titty removals
Hilarious.
>>345420765
>entertaining
아이씨
>>345420962
Do you not get how the internet works nowadays?
>>345420801
Nah pretty much every time I've seen it used is when some shitters sucks at something and is blaming the game for it. So long as idiots bad at video games complain, "git gud" will always be there
>>345421135
I know 40-50 year olds don't read 4chan
>>345420765
Why every time, japan?
>>345412447
TRANSLATORS NOTE TRANSLATORS NOTE TRANSLATORS NOTEThanks for posting this.
But yeah, most of the time, I agree with this.
Most of the time.
Then you have the OP's image where people take things too far.
>>345421220
was VII's translation ever fixed
>>345420809
>you're forcing yourself, genius
Yeah, no shit sherlock?
>>345402218
But wait, that's a straight improvement.
>watching anime sub
>*character name*-chan
>*character name*-san
>*character name*-senpai
>>345421496
Someone's trying to do a retranslation.
>>345420936
It's part of my major, I teach English as a Second Language, and am working on becoming a professor.
You can be decently fluent in about two years, especially if you take classes or live in Japan. You could try a lot harder than me for sure. I lived there for a year and it really helped.
>>345421551
Man, this movie was all over the place.
Some scenes were pretty funny though, good shit.
>>345421551
Ideally honorifics should be translated or ignored depending on context but imagine a conversation where the characters are literally discussing honorifics. Then shit gets difficult.
>>345420765
>you're
>>345421848
There are ways around it
>>345404160
Really? Is that what you want when reading foreign translated books as well? The translators changing the dialogue and adding to the characters?
>>345421915
is this some kind of trolling
>>345421915
What is wrong with that?
why is /v/ bitching about the git gud meme? it's not like you spergs post that shit 24/7
>>345421730
In Burgers is great man.
I remember seeing it in the theatre and laughing out loud when he read the kid's confessions and being bad at math was one of them. A lot of people around me just looked at me and I think i really was the only one who laughed.
>Japanese Localizations
>Just translates to understand what it would mean, and keeps untranslatable foreign words intact.
>Western Localizations
>Rewrites everything to be more Western, and erases everything that is remotely similar to whatever country and its culture.
>>345422043
I like how you think video games and books are somehow on the same level. Also, any good translator in literature will tell you that they're basically rewriting the book.
>>345402218
most of the time the localization you folks moan about is absurd, but this is a pretty dumb change
>>345422208
English to Japanese localizations are pretty terrible
>playing Monster Farmer
>>345422208
You know all those "Japan is soooo xenophic!" memes?
Japan is just picky about immigrants and somewhat naive about the word. It's murritards who are xenophobic.
>>345422119
Do you want video game characters to talk like /v/ posters?
>>345422208
to be fair, Japan is generally a lot more familiar with western culture and language than the reverse.
>>345422208
>untranslatable foreign words
>>345422324
weeaboos need to die
I don't believe you guys actually read the dialog in this game. I just skip through it.
>>345415749
>>345414140
go ask /a/ loli general. I remember that it had a goddess loli or a demon loli that lured pedos to kill them. It had a lolicon cafe in it and ended when the MC grows old and dies and then is revived by the loli. I cant remember the name.
>>345422357
I just it hypocritical for /v/ to moan about a meme they screech 24/7 about, but then again /v/ bitches about "sjws" all day
>>345422456
see
>>345422367
Do they keep our jokes and shit in their localizations?
>>345422516
ever take a step back and realize you're moaning just as much as anyone else
>>345408406
you're right, memes are worse
you'll never guess who """"localized"""" mh tri :^)
American censorship is so shit i don't think even the glorious USSR can top that.
>>345422215
I don't think they're on the same level, but I know that the game developers chose to have the dialogue in a certain way, and I want to play the game the developers made, not what some asshat that is too incompetent to make their own game thought would be good.
And yes, obviously you can't translate without changing nuances, but a good translator tries hard to keep it as close to how it's conveyed in the original. They don't add shit for flavor. The english translation of the Illiad doesn't change Patroclus to a hot babe to make the Americans feel more comfortable without the implied homosexuality.
>>345422614
If they can, otherwise they'll come up with new ones
>>345422516
Seems like both are /v/ moaning about not having outside influences change their vidya
>>345413037
>Mark danced crazy!
>>345422516
git gud and kys
>>345413090
>Amerifats trying to tell the English how to pronounce their own words.
>Meanwhile burgerland continues to drawl out pronunciation with words like "squirrel" sounding like "squirl" as if their mouth is full of chewing tobacco like their early settlement days
Fuck. Do we have a comparison for Nekojo's dialogue?
I mean, she talks in rhymes in the english version ,ffs.
>>345422687
>but I know that the game developers chose to have the dialogue in a certain way, and I want to play the game the developers made, not what some asshat that is too incompetent to make their own game thought would be good.
Then play the Japanese version.
>a good translator tries hard to keep it as close to how it's conveyed in the original.
The tone, yes. That's what a good one will do.
>>345404160
Found the rude pig american guys
>a person has to be arrogant to be interesting!
>>345404160
amen brotha, luv me some memes
>but the original is dull and boring
Holy shit I can't believe people think like this? Like how the fuck do you talk to people? do you greet them with "Hi" or "hello" or do you have a special snowflake quirky bullshit like "you doggy dog, how's it hanging?"
People speak normally most of the time, why do you need every single character to be a meme spewing quirky abomination? Are you all fucking 12?
>>345422614
Japanese localizations are notoriously shitty. If it isn't a bland and crappy translation that misses the point ("Remember: kill the russians"), then it's fucking this.
lmao, i bet half this thread skips mmo quest dialogs
>>345422871
Yes and they didn't keep the tone at all with this localization.
>>345423012
You're right, we should all talk to each other like a help menu instead when we hunt monsters
>>345402218
Japanese writing has always been bland as fuck. The shit going on in OP pic looks like it was written by Gearbox, but that doesn't change the fact that outside of word/kanji puns, Japanese writing is pretty fucking dry.
Here's a Golden Sun example
>Japanese: Energy is a type of energy
>English : Psynergy is a type of energy
My biggest problem with modern localisations is the trend to try turning fucking everything into a joke, while at the same time, a lot of these localisation guys aren't nearly as funny as they seem to think they are.
A localisation that takes liberties can be done very well, but I'd rather take a dry, direct translation over some failed writer completely flipping the script in an attempt to be funny, especially when they end up making shit like in the OP which is needlessly wordy and incredibly obnoxious compared to the rather simple but helpful presentation of basic information that was in the original Japanese.
Don't try to fix what isn't fucking broken.
>>345423121
You must be really good at analyzing tone of a game based on one NPC dialogue
>>345420812
Monster Hunter is a social game disguised as a video game and is 100% the reason why it's nearly three times as popular in crowded japan than it is outside of japan.
These games have historically had very poor game design if only for the reason that Capcom has done little if anything at all to update or change the engine they've used since this series' conception in 2004. Almost everyone who's done an MH knockoff has done it better, even the chinese company operating Monster Hunter Online.
It's a lot less likely to turn you into a sour frustrated beast when you can verbally communicate with friends or even strangers in a personable setting. Otherwise, playing it solo or online with randoms with limited communication options is basically ripe for creating situations where making friends through the games is harder than making enemies.
>>345423126
I don't get what you're saying.
The character in the OP is speaking normally.
Then translate it to a character that speak normally. Not everyone needs to have a quirky funny personality for fuck's sake.
Monster Hunter localization has always been like this.
Shitposters gonna shitpost
>>345402218
The NPC says that being told to "git gud" is a terrible piece of advice then proceeds to tell the player to essentially "git gud"
why do localizers feel the need to input cringy bullshit into dialog, especially when that dialog is useful information.
>>345423240
Does everyone have one in the game?
>>345423193
You need to play the entire game to see difference between "open the start menu" and "yo wazzup dawg"? You're not arguing, you're just disagreeing for the sake of it
>>345423126
If the game was intended to be that way it was for a reason. No need to alter it with bullshit.
>>345423319
In the OP we see one that does not in the original but does in the butch-- localization. That's already one too many.
>>345423304
>useful information
How to check a monster list is useful information?
>>345423158
>Japanese writing has always been bland as fuck
THIS
>Dragon Quest 1
>save the princess
>"Thanks, hero. Want to save?" - king
>Dragon Warrior 1
>save the princess
>"I knew you were truly a descendant of the great Erdrick! A mighty hero such as you can surely save our kingdom. Hurry, hero, your greatest challenge awaits!"
who would win
>good hunter
or
>monster hunter
>>345403967
Companies want to sell to the lowest common denominator.
>TL note
Eh, those can be really informative at times, but people like me try to avoid using them as much as possible. Feels like we're not doing our job well enough if we have to write in a note. Some companies also won't accept them. You're more likely to have them accepted in a manga than a game.
>English speakers think he's female
>>345423126
>Realism
Americans, everytime.
>>345423304
>why do localizers feel the need to input cringy bullshit into dialog, especially when that dialog is useful information.
I really don't know. The only times I've included memes is when I've translated memes. I guess some people just think it's really hilarious and people who know the memes will titter a bit when they see them in a game or something, which some people assuredly do.
>>345402218
Seriously? They did it again? This shit has to stop.
>>345423573
I preordered this game.
I opened it.
I can't return it.
Goddammit.
>>345423304
no. i think the localized NPC tells people who only say "git gud" are terrible advice givers and then tells you HOW to "git gud". by studying attacks and patterns.
none of you guys in this thread are actually able to read anything that's longer than a meme so why are you complaining?
If a meme-filled localization "can't ruin a game since the game still plays fine", then why not leave the dull and bland translation of the Jap version? It wouldn't ruin the game.
Checkmate localization-apologists.
>>345402218
stop complaining, start learning runes.
>>345422821
>american squirrel
>sq-whirl
>sq-whir-el
>bong squirrel
>s-queer-L
>nut nabber
>tree gnobbler
>small cat
>fluffy end
>brunch
I bet you call frenchfrymunks as "chipmunks" or something retarded too.
>>345423423
How being a faggot isn't homosexuality?
>>345423461
Good hunter would be invincible if he had gotten good
Monster Hunter would have laughably huge amounts of health if he had opportunities to heal, but probably wouldn't get said opportunities
>>345423456
Yeah, writing is pretty bland in Japanese a lot of the time, that's why I still like good translations/localizations (though I can rarely get myself to play Japanese games in English anymore outside of some exceptions, I've become sort of autistic about playing them in their original language). I liked Kashiwagi calling Rise jailbait in Persona 4, that was a good bit of localization.
>git gud is suddenly wrong when nintendo does it
at least try to be consistent, your shitposts are uninspired
>>345411959
You know what I hate? Brits putting an R at the end of every word.
There is no "r" in the word "idea"
>>345402218
>>345402218
It's this fucking guy fault
https://twitter.com/alfonso_thesix
He wanted to meme past games too, now he can.
>>345423672
>call frenchfrymunks as "chipmunks"
Outed yourself as an ESL mudslime.
>>345423304
why the fuck does that nigger have a torpedo head and why is it in a vagina
>>345423667
>Back in the day "Git Gud" or "Hit the monster, don't get hit" was a simple way to rile people up after you had given them proper advice
>Now it's just used to insult people
I blame the young people with their newfangled rap music.
>>345423789
>git gud was ever right
>hey guys im new to this game how do i do thing cause its making me not like the game very much
>"fuck you"
>tfw playing MonHan in my own language instead of English for the first time
Our localization teams are pretty good at what they do, I have to admit it. Nothing painfully unfunny like OP's pic so far.
>>345423940
Idear? I've never actually seen it spelled that way. It's just an American slang way of pronouncing it.
>>345414721
My sentiments exactly, but much better articulated. You're a pretty cool anon.
>>345424116
REEEEEE WHY DO YOU NIGGERS NEVER SAY WHAT LANGUAGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN YOUR FIRST POST REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOP MAKING US ASK YOU SNOWFLAKE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>345404469
Find one (1) person in this thread right now is who isn't gen z
>>345422485
Or some google reverse image will work. 122 pages, not bad. Thanks >>345404323!
>>345424190
Chill down anon,you dumb frogposter
Language is Italian, by the way
>>345423423
yea, it teaches you about something in the game.
>>345424293
Ree.
>>345424247
>gen z starts at roughly 1995
you will find plenty.
>>345419321
I got a job by learning Japanese. It's a pretty big world out there, with lots of possibilities.
>>345424247
I'm 27. Am I gen z?
>>345414721
Yeah, pretty much. It's how I've been doing it and people seem to appreciate it.
>>345424295
the localization does too.
>>345402218
make japs are boring as fuck. right side best side
>>345424116
>tfw playing the Italian version
>Bushido/Adept style is Ombra (Shadow)
>Deviant monsters have completely different names, in fucking latin
>Sanguis (Blood) Arzuros, Imperatrix (Empress) Rathian, Rex Rathalos etc.
I mean it's pretty cool but it fucked me up a little.
>>345424456
Yeah, I noticed the fuck up with Adept/Shadow style, but didn't know the Deviants had their name changed.I'm a sucker for Latin, though, so that's pretty cool to me.
>>345424512
it's already somewhere at the beginning.
>>345424293
God I knew it was Italian, their translations are so accurate they hurt, and yet they don't seem out of place, except when everybody sounds high on caffeine.
>>345424354
wrong-o
>>345424374
yep
>>345424718
what comes after Z or do you not have the foresight to understand how poor this generation nomenclature is that you thought Z was literally the last set of humans to exist from here to eternity?
>>345403967
>translator's note
fuck these forever.
>>345424718
do you think everyone is gen z or what? you're wrong.
>>345402218
Reminder that if 4kids started dubbing things today, nu/v/ would defend it completely.
>>345424814
Please form coherent thoughts before replying to other anons. Thank you.
>>345424875
I used one or two two years and and am still ashamed.
>>345424950
it's more intelligible than OP's post.
>>345414721
Fuck you, using common sense in this thread.
>>345424587
Our translators, localizers and voice actors are usually top tier, yeah. Of course there are some oddballs sometimes, like Gualtiero Cannarsi, that fuck up everything they touch.
>>345403967
That's literally the worst way to do it. Holy shit kill yourself.
>>345425410
I was specifically talking about MH (and Japanese games, Anime is unbearable). Analyzing all of today's problems with Italy's translocalization and voice acting would need three and a half full posts.
>>345422447
Many words don't translate really between languages. For example, German has tons of words that simply don't have English equivalents, like Schadenfreude
>>345425797
I don't know much about anime localization except from Ghibli movies, I rarely watch them and if I do it's jap audio with subs because Japanese voices crack me up
>>345419130
>There is literally ZERO (0) reason to not learn Japanese right now.
>Finally bust my ass for 7 years straight learning language
>play game in Japaanese
>Bland dry dialog all over the place
>whatever games are still fun to play and at least I can play good games that are sure to be released
>Japan fell for the mobile meme
>consoles are now otakuboxes with pandering games hiding absolutely awful gameplay and 2ch memes
>Never had any desire to travel to Japan
>mfw I slowly realized what was happening
>>345420962
This famalams.
Inside jokes are inside jokes for a reason. They should stay within their communities. It's when normies and newfags try to bring that shit to a bigger audience that shit gets all fucked up.
>>345419321
You could also learn chinese and get a job in literally any company but the chinks are some of the worst people to work with.
>>345422284
>English to Japanese localizations are pretty terrible
What did he mean by this?TN: "What did he mean by this?" means explain and give some examples
>>345426713
>Bland dry dialog all over the place
Was it VA'd? If it was, then you should be getting the nuances in the delivery. If that one also sucks, then maybe there wasn't any particular care put into it, doesn't mean Japanese = bland.
>>345404323
>muh sjw
This shit is older than them and you.
>>345422215
>Also, any good translator in literature will tell you that they're basically rewriting the book.
>>345403967
>aka butchered
Close
>>345407518
Nigga even english has a lot of stuff that can be interpreted in multiple ways. You can easily lose stuff like implications and puns in translation.
>>345427237
>image for ants
>>345412529
I-I like both.
They've both got their moments.
You morons do know that Capcom hires an outsource company to do the initial translations. Then the text comes back and they have a team of in-house editors go through ALL of the text. They have the final say in what's published.
If half of you fagots knew Japanese, you'd know that it is a terribly boring language and that their idea of "writing" is recycled tropes (like it's a fat character, let's call him "Fatty").
Monster Hunter is especially terrible because you have over 100 NPCs that tell you useless information or straight up lies. Like this Bherna Gal in general. If you look at your Hunter's Notes, you'll see that barely any info is given about the monster. It'S 10x better (even if it has *gasp* a meme in it) to flavor up the text.
Last point, if you want the most boring experience ever possible when reading Minster Hunter, play the fan-translated English patch of Portable 3rd. Easily the worst text I have read in my life. But, OMG, it's faithful to original.
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