Guilty Gear Xrd: Revelator
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Patch 1.03 is fucking available!
>Sin nerfed
>Johnny nerfed
>Elphelt nerfed
>Dizzy is available tommorow for FREE!
Where were you when based Daisuke saved Guilty Gear?!
Where's the translation?
>>345375061
Hopefully never
>elphelt's shotgun reload tension gain went from 150 to 50
>Jack-O also nerfed
PC release confirmedfor late 2016/early 2017. Also nothing about this was said at evo
But where's the PC version?
>>345374930
>Where were you when based Daisuke saved Guilty Gear?!
In EU, so I'm basically fucked hard and I will never get Dizzy for free like Kum.
>>345374930
What about Jam?
Really great way to make the announcement.
Felt like they didn't properly capitalize on the PR they got from Evo last year.
where are the patch notes
>>345374930
NO ABA NO BUY
>>345375369
stop begging
you pcucks don't play fighting games.
>>345375606
>stream's audio fucking up completely
fuck that
>>345375737
Maybe PC players would buy the games more if they didn't wait so long to port them that the next revision has already been announced.
Dizzy confirmed? Good. Well then, moving on...
ROBO-KY
W H E N
>Jack-O nerfed
The only way I could have fun in Revelator is now gone. Guess it's time I moved onto a new fighter
ALL HAIL THE QUEEN
>>345375514
A lot of changes. Untranslated yet.
>>345375615
http://www.ggxrd.com/rev/gginfo_july.pdf
>Bacchus Sigh causes guard crush instead of UB now
Johnny needed nerfs, but that's still pretty lame.
Is Dizzy going to be out for NA tomorrow, or when the store normally updates on Tuesday?
>>345377552
Yeah it's really stupid, but I guess there was no other way they could balance it.
>>345376075
>she gets forcibly lifted away for the dust
>chipmunk friend
Cute
>>345376075
thicc tail is best thicc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm18ZYPPrKk
>the evo crowd got a black screen for the one announcement too
So literally nobody knows what that last announcement was. Cool.
>beakdiver has +10f recovery
>can't change RTL direction if it whiffs
GG players not using Fight money to unlock characters
>>345377731
I've been playing Johnny since XX and Sigh has always been a move they didn't really know what to do with it, and should have been taken out versions ago. It was either unusable bad or insanely good.
>>345377950
It was PC version but Daisuke was mad they fucked up the trailer and cancelled it.
>>345375853
This. It feels kind of stupid to buy a fighting game if you know that sequel already is around the corner.
>>345374930
>Nerfs everywhere
Who got buffed? Is Jam playable yet?
>>345375853
Nope this logic doesn't actually apply in execution. PC version is almost always significantly cheaper than the console release was yet it also almost always is 5-10% the amount of sales. SFV sold like dogshit on PC and has only caused problems for Capcom and the community since it came out.
>inb4 THICC XD
>>345378595
>Who got buffed?
Slayer, Ram (slightly), Pot, Jam.
>>345374930
is this game alive in yurop?
>>345378691
This. SFV is the metric of fighting game performance on PC.
>Potemkin getting buffed
And the fun stops here. Fuck that character if the top tiers weren't so good people would be hating him instead.
>>345378337
I'd imagine they lose a decent chunk of player with their current model.
GG looks pretty fun to play but I can't justify buying a game when we're always 6 months behind japan and the next revision of the game.
Did May get buffed? I can't tell.
>>345378781
Yes.
>>345376441
>Potemkin only got 2 changes
I swear to god if those are nerfs instead of buffs im going to choke someone.
>fuck these companies listening to SJW they are a vocal minority and most of them won't buy the game anyway!
>grr fuck this company for not porting the game to PC REEEE
>>345378824
his only changes were decreased crouching hurtbox and ability to combo after airthrow
1.03 changelist pls?
>>345378837
Everytime a game gets a new version the playerbase/sales get smaller.
>>345378989
What the fuck are you even saying anon?
What did they change to Leo?
>>345378872
for how long
>>345376075
>>345377845
>>345377871
http://video.fc2.com/a/content/201406095DSBxkSr
What is Dizzy doing around the 15:13 mark?
>>345379064
Saying it like that is misleading. The player base of a game gets smaller everyday. Sometimes people will rekindle their interest after a major tournament, but if they stopped playing before they will stop playing now.
Of course followup iterations will sell less. All the people who ended up not liking the game won't buy the next one.
We did it, bros. She's nerfed to hell. c.S is no longer AA, shotgun shots now easier to punish with IB and damage is nerfed.
>>345379058
http://www.ggxrd.com/rev/gginfo_july.pdf
>>345378868
6HS charges longer (Unsure, the wording is weird but that's what it sounds like)
j.HS and j.D do more damage
S dolphin has faster start-up but the wallstick frames are reduced
So technically yes but nothing really important
Her crouching hitbox is also longer vertically but I think that's more of a nerf
>>345379403
Literally the only nerf she needed was removing the unblockable, toning down the corner damage, and lowering her meter gain. Touching her c.S is fucking ridiculous it's one of the most important moves as she has no actual reversal.
These nerfs are sounding Blazblue tier where a character goes from top to bottom. Then again poor Ramlethal had it worse than any other fighting game nerf I've ever seen.
>>345379403
>c.S is no longer AA
What? How will she even AA then?
I won't have to switch mains will I
>>345378939
shorter crouching hitbox and airthrow bounces and can combo with RRC
nothing worthy
>>345379645
>Expecting logical balance changes in a fighting game
>Especially in anime fighters
Did you just start playing last month?
>>345379645
>>345379837
Well yeah, that c.S change is pretty cruel.
JOHNNY IS DEAD
https://twitter.com/GG_abemkin/status/754813251762827266
LONG LIVEfucking kill me
>>345379645
Elphelt needed a lot more than just that. Her lack of hurtboxes on f.S, 6H and 2S made her super dominant on the ground. c.S now clashes with a lot of good jump ins. Air Bridal also got heavy nerfs, can't be thrown out willy-nilly. Elphelt players will have to be much more careful from now on. This is a good thing.
>>345380018
>>345380018
Ky loves Dizzy!
Never was a Dizzyfag, but damn she's really cute
>>345378005
>Can't just whop it out anymore
That's not too bad, bracing for the rest.
>>345380132
it didn't have to be this way
what happened to jack o
>Crouching hurtbox increased
>6K less pushback. No longer CH during recovery
>Increased cancel window on 6K,2S,2H,6H
>2D pops opponent up more
>Height of the opponent when getting thrown is no longer affected by stagger
>Charge now has reduced total frames(normal and held)
>Full Charge RYuujin fully invul upon leaving air
>Dp is now throw invul on startup. Powered up version is completely throw invul. 90% proration
>K followup to Bakushu has increased launch height on floated opponent. Increased vertical hitbox
>>345380018
Oh sweet baby Jesus, that's too fucking cute. its irresistible
Boy I cant wait until Revelator drops on pc!
>>345375985
This.
I need my baiken.
Hey guys i've never played a guilty gear game in my whole life, is Xrd a good start for me?
>was gonna switch to either Johnny or Jack-o whenever I finally got Revelator
>both characters are now gutted
>>345380360
hm
ill wait for some combos to show up, Jam is cute and i want to play her but before she was so shit it wasnt worth it
hopefully it is now
>>345380481
Yes.
>>345380542
ok thanks
>>345380132
So is the mist completely worthless now? Wouldn't you have to spend your ENTIRE bar to convert off of mist now?
>RC to get the mist out in time on their knockdown in the corner
>RC the mist finer just to followup the guard crush
Hell can you even do that?
And let me fucking guess: Zato and Sol were more or less untouched? Fuck this. I would rather have Johnny top tier any day than them.
>>345380482
>The 2 characters I wanted to play when It came to pc
>>345380360
i can't tell if these are good or bad
>>345380018
WHATS HAPPENING. I CANT WATCH WEBMS.
>>345380482
What happened to Jack-O
>>345380159
Her dominance was the point of the character. Nigga you have characters in this game that basically win after a single knockdown. Her overheads were slow as fuck which meant it was easy to block her all day. Her meter gain was the problem.
The amount of people salty over the changes is hilarious.
It's like it's their first time playing an arksys game.
>>345380678
SHE'SDizzy'sBACK
>>345380482
Jack-O is still good, Johnny is the one that got destroyed by the nerfs.
>>345380678
https://twitter.com/4eajt/status/754807611690582020
Elphelt is dead.
https://twitter.com/icarus_squad/status/754817299706580992
>>345380678
>can't webm.
Iphone user pls go.
>Elphelt put in the dumpster
>Dizzy released
Guess I don't even need to worry about what character to play anymore. I'll miss her though
>>345380481
There is no good start for Guilty Gear. If you don't have a bunch of friends willing to play it with you then don't bother.
Okay so Daisuke came here for this. Why the fuck is Mori here? To announce Blazblue Central Fiction's english release date? Honestly, I think he's just here to shill Es
>>345379859
God damn it
>>345380828
At least she got her better outfit back.
>>345380481
It's a fighting game anon. Unless you're a lore-fag, doesn't matter where you start
>>345378691
>>345378793
You're forgetting SFV has also been marred by massive launch issues and bad word of mouth.
>>345381034
>Why the fuck is Mori here?
Noel cosplayers.
>my main got buffed
YO SLAYER BOYS
https://twitter.com/hontosumanhossa/status/754824909713321984
>>345380828
>Spend two years learning a character
>They become unusable overnight
It's like pottery. Thank you Daisuke.
>>345381125
Naw black/white is better
>>345380669
Almost universally good. The longer cancel windows, decreased charge, and increased 2d pop-up all sound very strong.
>>345381034
I think he's in part there just because it's Evo and he probably wants to check out how things go. He's also likely there because he and Daisuke are long time pals. Also, he worked on Xrd to some extent and it's part of Arcs so I imagine he cares a lot about how it does at Evo.
>>345381034
Because it's the most prestigious fighting game tournament in the world and he likes fighting games?
someone explain
https://twitter.com/GG_abemkin/status/754815778449264640
>>345381203
>and it's YRC too
Dandy as fuck
>>345381203
Shit like this is why I hate the YRC system. How the fuck can you actually say this is a good thing unless you're just extremely bitter Slayer wasn't amazing in Xrd?
>>345380793
CUTE
FUCK NERFS, TELL ME WHO GOT BUFFED
SHARE WITH ME EVERY BUFF
>>345381415
punishable
>>345380738
>overhead is the only mixup in the game!
>>345381226
>two years isn't an extremely fucking long time
>character rebalancing isn't as normal as the sun and stars
Why are you fags so dramatic? Characters rise and fall it is always like that. The time you spend learning them was for that two years. Even then, you can keep playing them and do well or take all that knowledge you learned and apply it to something else.
>>345381415
Sin can't just spam Beak Driver anymore because of the added recovery. Potemkin has enough time to do Slidehead between the first and the second.
>>345381495
Chumpkin, Slayer and Jam have all been buffed
>>345381203
>yrc for a move that gives combo on normal hit
>6k still one of the worst moves in xrd
>>345381495
Everyone not named Sin, Elphelt, or Johnny.
>>345378158
i was hoping for this, PC version with crossplay so it wont die after the first month
>>345381435
>Shit like this is why I hate the YRC system.
This particular instance is on purpose. It's no different than having than having it on FRC: It's too strong to be meterless but not strong enough to warrant 50 meter.
>>345381520
Not punishable. Potemkin is hitting him on the startup of a second Beak Driver.
>>345379859
>>345381062
He meant ground throw, FAB is already messing around with that.
>>345381415
i don't own this game but it looks like potemkin(big guy) can punish that move now
i'm assuming he couldn't before so this should help with the match up
now you understand the pain.
what changes did they make to Sol?
>>345381203
>yrc for a move that gives combo on normal hit and is +17 on block
>6k still one of the worst moves in xrd
KIll me
>>345381568
Most of the characters are fairly unique compared to most other fighting games.
I've seen very few people that can competently play more than one character.
They usually have a main and then one character they can body scrubs with but not anyone who actually knows how to play.
tats
>>345381624
I often forget he even has 6k. Regardless he doesn't need it at all so who cares? It's like complaining that a SNK character has a useless special move. Kit overbloat is a problem in fighting games and there's nothing wrong with a character only using a fraction of their moveset.
http://www.4gamer.net/games/317/G031723/20160715104/
More Dizzy images and stuff
WHAT ARE THE CHIPP ZANUFF CHANGES
elphet got her original costume as a lobby head as well
>>345381261
Literally no. Pink/white is the greatest color combo.
>>345381796
Sol:
- Crouching hurtbox made wider
- Standing hurtbox made larger in respect to mids and lows
- Larger hurtbox in various crumple/down states
- 6HS: Fixed bug where he'd no longer count as CH state partway through active frames
- Air throw: Increased hitstop between doing the move to where he starts falling by 4F.
Not bad compared to everyone else
english patch notes
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11-aocuCxPFP5UkvbCXE4xNIbQYFNumcGXoM334J88Do/preview
>>345381435
Slayer is unusably bad as it stands. He's currently a bottom-tier Sin/Johnny with no mixup, 6p as a DP, worse damage than both, worse pressure than both, a broken Undertow, and no oki aside from Helter Skelter which was super janky due to how it confirmed.
Out of all the characters I play, Slayer feels the least equipped to handle anything and became my 2nd pocket char.
>>345381926
>Digital figure mode
Wow
>>345382051
>Not knowing pink hair girls are always worst girls
>>345381926
>Fishes are now flying dragon head
Holy shit
>>345381692
FRC and YRC are both terrible systems. Things like the new helter skelter YRC are too strong to be free, but not strong enough for a hard RC like you said, and that's a real fucking problem. It's not hard to build 25% meter in this game and the amount of power you get out of certain YRC is just retarded.
>Axl 46S YRC
>Hammerfall YRC
>basically any projectile YRC
And so on. This new YRC for Slayer will deal with a shit ton of wakeup options from the opponent and leads to a full combo if it hits or the opportunity for a huge mixup even if blocked.
YRC are stupid because of the time freeze. That makes them even worse than FRC. You get too much time to do shit. As an Axl player, even I think it's retarded I have enough time to run halfway across the screen after a 46S YRC and still get a mixup before you can do anything out of the block.
Woooow ok, don't even need to know jap to know this isn't good.
>>345381926
Whatever anon said they would charge you for Elphet's old outfit was right on the money. It's NOL Noel all over again.
>>345381624
Undertow is the worst move.
>I no longer need to catch her pantyshots at the end of the round to fap
Thanks, Daisuke!
>no new moves
>dumb nerfs
They waited 2+yrs for this?
>>345382319
Some alt colors
>>345375737
>>345378691
Are you retarded? I play on PC and buy fighting games. I don't know how this meme of yours started. Not to mention all of those Latin Americans, Koreans, and even Japanese guys on Fightcade.
>>345382269
its 100k in the store right now idiot
>>345381768
Nah nothing will ever be worse than what happened to Ramlethal. She went from top to the absolute bottom. She became so bottom tier people who complained were ignored because Potemkin drama queens are the people's champ. Her fundamental gameplan was killed and you can't even play her like before. She went from seeing a lot of competitive play and having good results to being virtually nonexistent despite being a popular character with the players and fans.
I can't think of a character nerfed harder. Maybe Rachel from CT to CS? I can't remember anymore
>>345381876
And that isn't a problem with Guilty Gear. That is why people don't usually change characters. Why the fuck do you care unless you have no skills and no job and your only means of survival are through sponsorships and tournament results? Look at Fab. I couldn't care less about him and I hate the hype he gets, but he shits on players all the fucking time with Potemkin. Yeah he doesn't win Evo but who the fuck cares?
And when your character gets buffed again you can get free wins like you did before with Elphelt or whoever you mained.
![651f0fbe6e8bda2cd3e8ee2e8007999d[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FFWwCVf.jpg "651f0fbe6e8bda2cd3e8ee2e8007999d[1]")
>>345382195
>>345382482
Worse then Sean from 2nd to 3rd?
>>345380607
They should've at least cranked the RISC damage with Mist applied.
>>345378691
>has only caused problems for Capcom and the community since it came out
What?
>>345381934
Less recovery on 6P. Can combo from throw now?
Does anyone have any idea what this near universal change to people's crouching hurtbox is going to do for the game? Is it going to hurt fuzzy guarding or something?
Shotgun: Nerfed meter increase. Reload: 100 to 50, shot: 200 to 100.
Shotgun stance S move: Attack level lowered from 3 to 2. Bigger hurtbox.
Bridal Express(OTG): Attack level lowered from 4 to 3
Bridal Express(Air): Added 4 more frames of landing recovery so it changed from 3F to 7F
Vertical down motion: Bigger hurtbox
AHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>345381934
>>345382723
6P now can't get counter hit during 6P's recovery
He can now RC his ground throw for a full combo
Hurtboxes increased like everyone else
The ground throw change is huge.
https://twitter.com/gurafuu/status/754816263507943424
I assume that the Fall 1.04 patch might have some more changes. Wouldn't be surprised if that's the arcade release version too.
Anyone know the Venom changes?
Is really that common to know all this stuff about hitboxes and whatnot?
I'm the shittiest scrub you can imagine, I get excited when I manage to pull out an Roman cancel combo, but seriously you need all this knowledge? How the fuck is even possibile to play at these levels without spending all your time on it?
I mean, you need augmented precision task hands or what?
>pot can now combo off his grab using RC
>the scaling is so bad you only do 131 damage off a 2HS into air grab super from it
>>345382205
Her special moves have a Necro- and an Undine version now. That's probably a Necro fish.
>>345382108
>Elphelt's Ss & HSs
>Leopaldon will never be in Xrd
>>345381761
yeah, you have right
>>345382467
>cuck pc player
>says he plays fighters
Lol go back to StarCraft
>>345383143
>Retconn'd
>>345383057
Hitboxes you just feel out when you play, it's important but it's not a conscious thing.
The only autist thing people learn is frame data which is kinda important but it could also be brute forced by simply playing
How do I make this shit go faster?
https://twitter.com/mucchi84916/status/754829100984901633
HAHAHA HOLY CHRISTthis is actually pretty sad
>>345383290
Run around inside of your house.
>>345383143
Was he even an option in the polls? I mean, even Fanny was.
>>345381926
>That butt frustrated Sin.
>>345382291
>tfw you fuck up a bdc mappa so bad that you get undertow but they still get hit because no slayer ever uses it and thus they've never seen it.
>>345383350
holy fuck
>>345383047
https://twitter.com/esagram/status/754825203239092224
>>345383047
More meter gain on everything... a lot more.
>>345383350
What the fuck?!
>>345383350
>arc in charge of balancing characters
>>345383350
Now that's both hilarious and sad.
Anyone know if Ramlethal is any better now?
>>345383350
what
>>345383350
What's going on in the video ? I don't know anything about fighters or this game
>NO NEW MOVES
>FOR A 60$ FULL PRICE UPDATE
>>345383550
i dont know but no shes not
>when a jack-o bag is destroyed it now has a cooldown
This is fucking stupid. Why have the leveling system if you're going to do this? I love how the people who complained about Jack-O used characters like Eddie who do what she does with three bags out 24/7 every time they scored a knockdown.
>>345383057
No, you don't need to know anything. I played Ky for years and I still have no idea about his framedata and shit, I just played a lot. I'm pretty decent player too. Sure, actually understanding and learning all this info will help you to get better faster or even much faster but you can totally git gud by just understanding basics and playing the game.
Be careful who you call ugly in middle school
>>345383591
dont you have a $25 stage you could be playing on right now?
>>345382479
Don't call me an idiot
>>345377845
Her dust was always like that.
>>345375853
lol fuck you that isnt true at all, you fuckers dont support the games.
>>345383591
Putting in new moves just because causes bloat. I'm okay with that, I'd rather have more frequent free updates like this but maybe not as drastic
>>345383664
then dont post like one
>>345382671
Oh damn I forgot about him. He might actually be the worst then. He was made so bad he became a joke character like Dan rather than a character that's meant to be funny (like Faust).
>>345383564
One of her moves now has a huge hurtbox.
>>345383564
A very long-range poke Elphelt has can now be counter-poked (due to changes on hitboxes). What /v/ doesn't know is that this is normal for several pokes like that already.
>>345383350
jesus christ that hurtbox
>>345383057
Low level: When the fuck do I press buttons during his blockstring
Mid level: I know I can press 2P after his 6HS to punish
High level: 6HS is -3 on block so I can punish with 2P which is 3f start-up
We just witnessed a slaughter anons. Anybody up for a shot of 151?
>>345383591
The update is free, what are you talking about?
>>345383712
Xrd sold quite well on PC FYI
>>345383350
Well, by Arcsys logic she'll move up from at least bottom tier to mid by the next Xrd version, right?
>>345383591
25$
8f
>>345383550
She has minor buffs.
>>345383350
Is that 5HS? Her pistol move right?
If so holy shit
>>345383991
It was also a third of the price on console
>>345384008
talk to Ram about that
I guess it is safe to buy this now. I am offically done with SFV unless they make all DLC free because that shit should have been in the game in the first place.
>>345384008
Only mid-tier characters get buffed in Arksys games.
Once you're bottom tier you tend to stay there for at least a few revisions.
>>345383078
P
>Pot gets complete nothing buffs
Is anyone really fucking surprised?
>>345383350
good lord
>>345383591
But Blitz Charge is new move :^)
>>345374930
Is this currently the most popular guilty gear to play? I want to start playing but I only have a pc and don't know where to begin.
>>345382467
>fightcade
cool, so you pirate fighting games. good to know faggot, thats not supporting the genre.
>>345384082
because it released a year later
>>345384124
>buffs
i mean they werent negative but they arent positive in any way either they are just changes
Is Elphelt going to be the new Makoto?
>incredibly strong during her debut
>gets nerfed every game after
>continues to keep getting nerfed even after becoming Low Tier
>>345384165
Yes. It's not available on PC yet.
>>345384165
yes, it's not available on pc either.
>>345384124
Grapplers are gay as fuck when they're anything above mid tier so I'm fucking glad
>>345384165
Get a PS4 or play SF5.
Playing Arksys games on PC is completely pointless because they're always a revision behind.
>>345384079
Far S.
>>345384124
He didn't need any. He's already a good character he just couldn't deal with the best characters in the game. In return, he shits on a lot of the characters around him in tiers. Try fighting him as say Slayer and you'll have to take a cold shower afterward.
>>345384082
It was also a year late
The next edition had also already been announced
Even if you assume it would sell half as much at full price it still outsold Revalator's Japanese sales on PS4 and PS3.
>>345384284
how about they buff pot but make grab tech not 1f
Well at least the Valentine sisters will be together in shitville now right?
>>345384261
>>345384270
>>345384329
Guess I should save up for a ps4 then. Thanks.
>>345384379
speaking of that matchup can you pot bsuter a slayer when they do Dandy step? or w/e the move is where he goes back then lunges forward?
i've tried a good amount but idk if its my timing or depends on what he follows up with
Man I guess there's really no reason to stop play Sol now.
Elphelt's sign costume is buyable with in game cashtoo bad I spent all mine fishing and not even getting the shit I wanted
>>345374930
>>>345383564
>A very long-range poke Elphelt has can now be counter-poked (due to changes on hitboxes). What /v/ doesn't know is that this is normal for several pokes like that already.
This is true but that particular instance is rediculous
>>345383608
Jack0O is brain dead, Zato isn't.
>>345384570
You can also fish it
Did Kum get nerfed or is she going to rise to S tier now?
>was just finishing up BBCPEx'sstory stuff
>was gonna start focusing on Xrd Revelator once I'm done with that in the next couple days
>MOTHERFUCKING DIZZY
>tfw perfect timing
>>345384515
The only thing he really lost was being able to get a free combo after an airthrow near the corner
>>345384257
I thought Makoto finally got good in CPE? Or was it CF?
>>345384617
The hurtbox is literally out there on the first frame of the move.
That's fucking hilarious. I don't know what they were thinking.
>>345374930
WELL NOW THAT THAT'S OUTA THE WAY
GABRIEL WHEN
A.............H
B.............E
R.............N
I
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LDid anyone with a ps3 manage to get the last 2 dlc characters for free despite not having Revelator yet? I might try that with Dizzy
>>345384670
Minor buffs and some links are now easier than before
>>345384124
It would be really fucking risky to give him big buffs. Bear in mind that a lot of characters got mild to huge nerfs in this update, leading to Pot having less trouble against them.
>>345382232
FRC was fine. It was frame-specific and tied to the balance of the move. If you had meter, you could change the properties of that move but only in a certain way that never really changed.
PRC and YRC is retarded for a lot of different reasons, including the ones that you listed.
>>345384284
I agree and Pot is honestly among the worst in this regard because Buster does retarded levels of damage. It does not much less than Zangief's CA does in SFV and it's a fucking regular special move and has way more range and utility.
I've always hated Potemkin in part because Arc Systems Works styled fighting games with few frames of animation are especially shitty when it comes to DPs and anti airs. Potemkin can Buster grab you from insanely far away because hitboxes on certain frames are so awkwardly designed and unintuitive. The best examples I can think of are Dusts in Xrd. You can grab someone like May while she is in the air (visually) swinging on the side furthest away from you AND while you are far away from where she would be while swinging toward you.
I think that's why Tager had to be nerfed pretty much immediately after he became good. Developers aren't willing to make the command grabs not do retarded damage so the characters have to forever be gimped, and rightfully so
For some reason characters with shoryus are never given that same treatment though
>>345384670
She got buffed actually. And this is fucking scary, since her oki mixups are total fucking bullshit. Absolutely unreactable and she can do two of them from one knockdown.
>>345380323
Recovery frames for 2S is now 22 from 18
Recovery frames for f.S is now 20 from 16
The rate of tension gain from being near the ghost has been decreased from 5 to 3
Making ghost houses doesn't give you tension anymore
After their house has been destroyed there is a period where you can not make the house.
Servant hurtbox increased
Throwing house's attack level decreased from 4 to 2
>>345383350
did she really deserve this
>>345384759
all you have to do is buy it from the store when it goes live
i did it with the ps4 version and i didnt buy rev until 3 weeks ago
>>345384617
It's pretty normal. She now needs to use it carefully in footsies, rather than a free way to start pressure. Elphelt is going to stay viable, you will just have to be more careful with the buttons you press.
>>345378691
doesnt help that every fightan that comes to pc is a low quality port
japs need to learn what a fucking computer is
I don't have GGXR, and I don't plan to pick it up anytime soon, but would it be possible for me to just download the Dizzy DLC from the PSN store?
>>345384663
>Believing the fishing meme
I spent 300k+ W$ fishing for Raven and didn't get him. NEVER AGAIN
>>345384859
Even the people who absolutely hated Elphelt feel bad for her now.
This is almost as iron-fisted as the Ram nerfs.
>>345384638
How difficult a character is to use shouldn't matter in the long run because at the highest level of play that sort of thing is irrelevant. Plus, Zato has been around for decades in comparison to Jack-O. I'm sick of Zato getting a free pass on everything because HE'S SO HARD XD THAT'S WHY THREE OF THEM ARE IN TOP 8
>>345384936
Yes
>>345384952
I got him after fishng 5 times
>1.04 update
>DIGITAL FIGURE MODE AND MORE
>AND MORE
ZAPPA CONFIRMED
>>345384936
yes
shouldve done it with kum as well
>>345384907
-Sign- port was top tier though
>>345384759
Never change, Gabriel poster.
>>345385001
Zato and C.Viper will always get a free pass for it.
Being the hardest character to play makes it ok in the minds of the general public and that's apparently all that matters.
>>345384964
The difference is Elphelt still has a bunch of good tools it's just now she has to use them instead of using her 3 overpowered options.
When Ram got nerfed they took away everything.
>>345384751
Yeah she got good in CP, but that was after multiple games and patches where she kept getting nerfed even when she was already agreed to be awful.
>>345384670
Is Kum even good? The time I spent with her made me think she was pretty mediocre. The ball stuff sounds strong on paper but her mixup potential is surprisingly weak as is her ability to score knockdowns anyway. She seemed way too easy to just bully the whole match. Granted I didn't bother with Revelator long before dropping it
>>345385064
TekkenxGGxBB confirmed
>>345384509
It depends which step he does and which move out of it. Under Pressure/It's Late can be PB'd, so can anything of k-dandy if they're too close. you can 44pb lots of it too, otherwise Hammerfall beats it all anyways unless they Crosswise at the perfect time.
>>345385031
Fucking rad.
>>345385081
I honestly wasn't even paying attention to GG at the time, but yeah, that's a fuck up, Kum looks super neat. I just remember doing it with P4AU's DLC characters and it paying off like a year later when I picked up the game cheap.
>>345384284
>>345384804
Potemkin's command grab is SUPPOSED to do an absurd amount of damage. It actually makes him, you know, scary? So many grapplers in fighting games are just not scary at all because their throws do pitiful damage, but the character is still insanely slow and has awful normals.
Potemkin can't even run or air dash in an anime fighter, so of course his grapple does insane amounts of damage. Makes you terrified to be next to him, doesn't it? That's the point. If he gets in, you shit your pants.
I want to fuck that wing
Does anyone know what they did to Ky?
>>345385082
it was also released after they announced a new version of the game
>>345383608
TELL ME THIS IS FAKE PLEASE
>>345385205
Her entire gameplan revolves in super ambiguous jump ins. Notice her j.K, air axe kick and air chop makes her lands wkwardly for the opponent to react to if you space it properly. Once she scores a knockdown you just mix it up with her standing overheads
>>345385205
the only characters that could actually bully her just got nerfed into the ground
>>345385225
ah ok thanks, ill practice
>>345385001
Last year it was one Zato and two Millias. I don't see your point here.
>>345385370
yes but I was talking about the quality of the port, not the timing of it's release
>every character I thought looked cool or cute got nerfed
>that fucking chipmunk got buffed
At least they were kind enough to ruin the game before the PC release.
Was Millia nerfed?
so how much harder is GG than SF5, could a babby like me learn it.
>>345385202
What good tools does she have left that aren't just theory crafting you could do for Ramlethal?
>stance attacks are now terrible on block which means her ability to pressure you up close is killed
>meter gain is gutted so her ability to do sustained pressure is killed
>bridal express in the air is now negative enough on block that she can't do shit afterward (I think it might even be punishable but im not sure)
>mid screen pokes have been gutted such that they can't be used for their main purpose
>one of her only normals for getting people off of her has been nerfed
Guilty Gear characters were always designed to each be overpowered in their own way. They are supposed to be extremely strong at certain things. I fail to see what Elphelt can do now that other characters can't do way better
>>345381926
>You have to buy old elphelt back for 300 yen
>Want to start playing GG again
>Afraid that it's going to die as soon as I put time into it
I don't want to get meme'd on twice. Somebody convince me it's not going to die like AC did.
english patches notes are being updated so check back every once in a while if you dont know your main changes yet
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11-aocuCxPFP5UkvbCXE4xNIbQYFNumcGXoM334J88Do/preview
>>345382195
This.
>>345385659
Best tutorial, teaches matchup specific tech and advanced fg knowhow. Has shitloads of online resources.
Of course the thing is those are useless if you dont have the right mindset in learning. Fighting games are hard, but they are rewarding.
>>345385684
Safe-ish unblockables.
>>345385202
But they nerfed like all of her tools in various ways besides hurtboxes. The fact that she can't even AA anyone anymore means she's just going to get completely fucked now
>>345385710
It seems like it had a good turnout at EVO, and one of the most popular characters is getting back in as DLC tomorrow, for free.
If not now, when?
>>345382195
Okachan from Golden Time was the second non asshole character.
>>345382195
>>345385779
What the fuck are you implying
>>345385607
>I can't enjoy a game unless I'm playing a cute girl who gives me a boner to stave off my perpetual loneliness and escapism
>>345382359
If you want to see her panties just spam j.D
>>345385710
>Somebody convince me it's not going to die like AC did.
Died because it was old, no longer getting updated and was for an old gen console? That's a pretty good death for a fighting game. Xrd is still at its beginning so it's not going away for a while and the tournament scene for it is bigger than anime games have ever had before.
>>345385315
DON'T SEXUALIZE THE WING
>>345385295
If you keep the command grab being that strong it makes the character a gimmick and is the reason why they have to be so sluggish and shitty feeling. Characters like Bravo in Chaos Code and Cerebella in Skullgirls have grabs not as good as Pot Buster and that's what allows them to be so strong. Same with Mika in SFV.
The point of the command grab is to be a better grab than normal grabs. That can mean more range or more damage or better oki or some combination of those. It shouldn't mean I lose a third or more of my health because someone grabbed me with a near instant unblockable attack. It's why everyone, including designers, hates grapplers.
Clark is another example of a good grappler. You give them a command grab as a tool in their arsenal, but don't make it ridiculously strong. Look at your average shoto. They get away with having a good reversal because it doesn't do half your health. One of the basic ways shotos were nerfed in SFIV was by reducing the damage the shoryuken did to people as an AA.
If you want Pot Buster to be that strong then fine, but don't whine about him being bad or being too slow because of it. Hammerfall and Pot Buster are both terribly designed attacks.
>>345385659
To what level? Have you never played fighting games before and want to give them a try?
Sign has an absolutely fucking god tier 10/10 tutorial, Revelator has a decent one too.
I can't speak for if you want to git REALLY gud, but I play casual and just like learning a character and playing online and Guilty Gearand BlazBlueare my favourites for it since I feel like they're the most rewarding to learn. Combos are satisfying and getting down character strengths and positioning and learning match ups is fun. I don't get nearly the same satisfaction from Street Fighter in that regard.
>>345382479
>Spent all my money fishing
>Even went through arcade with everyone for more money to go fishingI don't even use elphelt, I could probably just fish her alt out though
>>345385684
>I can't just stance you in the corner and win now
>I can't just fill my meter in a few seconds anymore
>I can't do random Bridal Express air kick dives and still be safe on all of them
>I can't just use my absolutely absurd 5S to poke everybody to death
All of those except the last one are warranted nerfs, especially fucking air Bridal Express. God forbid you have to actually commit to an air dive and learn how to get in without it.
>>345386070
I'll try out Dizzy tomorrow. I think I'll cry if it dies again and I waste another few years of my life.
Will Bridget ever be added or am I going to have to wait several more years
>>345385710
If you want to play GG, you need to either attend offline events or go to discord/dustloop/etc. to find people to play online. Matchmaking will get you nowhere.
These games may appear dead because of the low amount of people playing, but they are all extremely active and dedicated.
>>345384952
>fishing for Raven
what? he was free on release.
Seriously, I bought 20 dollar point card for the DLC characters and so far everything has been free. I currently have 12 dollars I'll apparently spend on colors.
>>345386084
>No Necro/Undine hatefuck dojins while Dizzy sleeps.
It's like I don't even know you any more, Japan.
>>345383350
>yfw you aren't an Elphelt main
>>345386272
>liking a trap
>>345385659
A good chunk of the the characters aren't really any harder than SF chars outside of a few optimal combos and setups.
Then there are characters like Venom, Eddy, Johnny, etc that are fairly complex or have execution heavy basics.
Sol, Ky, Pot, Sin, Raven, Slayer, Bedman, Faust are all pretty good for beginners.
>>345378691
>SFV sold like dogshit on PC
It sold like dogshit period because it was obviously unfinished.
>>345386148
in SF5 I've taken the time to learn my character and generally know what moves of mine are + or - but dont know shit about anything else, feel like super complicated combos fuck me in the ass (doing them).
>>345385710
No worries. It was long dead already. Barely anyone plays Revelator. Whenever I sign into it, I see the exact same people that were playing Sign beforehand.
>>345386272
At some point, but considering Baiken and Zappa have already appeared in the story and aren't playable yet, you might be waiting a while.
>>345385315
Sex between Ky and Dizzy must have been really really odd when it's a MMFF foursome every time and the "MFF" is a single entity
HOLY SHIT GUYS
https://twitter.com/conoe12/status/754838207007641600
>>345386272
I hope burifags have to wait several years more.
>>345386305
>discord
I'm interested. Which one?
>>345374930
So what's the news on Slayer? Buffs I hope
>>345386515
>strong combo without powerups and kick specials
picked up
>>345386515
Jam and Venom so far confirmed for god tier.
>>345386485
Poor guyRagnathat fucks Platinum from Blazblue.
>>345386515
The time has come and so have I
>>345386601
Helter skelter projectile YRCable
>>345386731
Shit that's fucking cool
>>345383218
No one actually plays Starcraft anymore. LoL and Overwatch are the new hotness
>>345384907
It's not just the Japanese. Look at how Netherrealm handled MKX
>>345384198
You said play, not buy. If we're talking about buying, though, why did Melty sell so well?
>inb4 some jabs about it being a bad game
Beside the point, it sold regardless. Clearly sales are all that matters in this argument.
https://twitter.com/GHOSTBEARaf/status/754836561787777024
>>345386546
https://discord.gg/NGBEX
Not sure if this works. That's the main GG discord. You might want to check for channels for your local scene.
>Jack-O houses now have a cooldown
Why? Jack-O is pretty much useless without them and she's very easy to rushdown.
Was this nerf really needed?
>>345383350
Source on that cutie?
>>345386731
So what's the other change? I see two on the patch notes
>>345386515
Aw shit, Jam's making a cumback
>>345378691
Are you serious
We still don't have basic fighting game options in fucking SFV
It sold like dogshit because it is dogshit
will EU get fucked again for a month before the patch comes around
Did they buff the startup on Kums fireball? It feels faster
>>345386940
Because she had strong lasting setplay, but isn't Eddie so it's not fair!
>>345384082
So? Sales only matter at full price? You're just moving goalposts now.
>>345386143
Potemkin isn't fine because Potemkin Buster is so good. He was perfectly fine in Accent Core because he had tools like being able to OTG from Slide Head. He's bad in Xrd because they took away the few tools that made him actually playable near the end of XX's lifespan.
Hammerfall is another amazing attack. The problem with it in Xrd is not the attack itself but the fact that YRC and PRC allow you to do stupid nonsense with all sorts of different things, so you don't even need to commit to Hammerfall anymore.
>It shouldn't mean I lose a third or more of my health because someone grabbed me with a near instant unblockable attack
Don't get near them, then. Potemkin Buster is there to make a risk for getting close to Potemkin instead of poking him out, and it also gives him a reward for actually getting in.
It sounds like you want all grapplers to be mobile fighters whose command throws are just slightly better versions of normal throws, e.g. Necalli's EX grab in SF5. That's fine for some characters, but some people want to play slow bruisers who do heavy grab damage. That trope already exists, so, unless you want to go back in time and stop the concept from existing, you better get used to it.
>>345382482
Makoto from CS to CSEx?
>>345387108
The patch is out in EU
>>345387157
Eddie doesn't have a DP
>>345386873
what
>>345387276
shocking
>>345386515
Well, you have to be close enough to kiss them, but that's nice.
>>345387407
Lucifero no longer knockdowned if you hit blocking Ram.
>haven't played GG for 3 weeks
>come back and can still do all my Kum combos
I forgot how easy she was to play
>>345376075
BASED
so basically much of the amazing tech from the characters we just saw in Top 8 Evo is effective immediately bogus
>>345387219
I'll admit my main problem with Potemkin is him being able to YRC his Hammerfall. I think it's really stupid especially for characters that don't have quick and safe double hitting pokes they can spam.
You say don't get near him as though everyone uses Axl. Some characters like Slayer have no choice but to get in on Potemkin. Plus, on oki he gets one of the strongest mixups because he has safe jump ins, a standing low, one of the longest ranged dusts, an unblockable knockdown, and a command grab that does more damage than most overdrives.
It's shitty moveset design no matter how you look at it.
>>345387381
He also doesn't have to do all this preparation just to make Eddie a strong setplay tool.
>>345387698
Yep. Time to pick up Blazblue.
>>345374930
>nerfing Elphelt and Jacko when neither of them made top 8
Question about the story:
-Why was there another Bedman in front of the old one that got turned into stone?
-Why was I-No smiling at the end? Was it because she's up to something due to doing absolutely nothing so far or because her boss and Sol were having a play fight?
-Where did Robo-Ky's head take Venom?
-Why did Ragyo Kiryuin paint her face to look like a dalmatian?
>>345387779
>for characters that don't have quick and safe double hitting pokes they can spam
You supposed to jump out of Hammerfall>YRC>Buster, dumdum.
>>345387698
Only Johnny and Sin, everything else is still there
>>345387897
it's okay when zato does it
>>345376075
>Some people thought that they would drop Necro and Undine because they would be a nightmare to do in 3D
And here I was, almost agreeing with them. Their 3D modelers and animators really are wizards
>>345382081
does this mean 5k link after reset airthrow is gone?
>>345387921
Good thing his AA grab goes through FD and beats almost anything you try to do in the air!
You basically have to backdash, and even that can be beaten out by shit.
>>345387821
Blazblue is even worse on playing fast and loose on the character balances and changes.
>>345387914
>-Why was there another Bedman in front of the old one that got turned into stone?
That was his sister you fucking retard
No Raven nerfs?
>>345387914
>Why was there another Bedman in front of the old one that got turned into stone?
It was his sister
>Why was I-No smiling at the end? Was it because she's up to something due to doing absolutely nothing so far or because her boss and Sol were having a play fight?
Not confirmed yet, but she hasn't chosen what she'll do with her time-traveling world-ending power yet, so it's most likely related to that.
>Where did Robo-Ky's head take Venom?
To safety, most likely back to the Assassin's Guild
>Why did Ragyo Kiryuin paint her face to look like a dalmatian?
Daisuke is chuuni
>>345388097
i honestly do not see the appeal in blazblue at all
>>345388089
>Good thing his AA grab goes through FD and beats almost anything you try to do in the air!
That's the mixup, dumbass. You have to read your opponent to realise what he's gonna do.
>backdash
Lol no.
>>345388097
BB does a better job of consistently altering the game though. Xrd didn't receive much for changes for a really long time so suddenly having your character of choice completely gutted after two years is pretty fucking shitty.
It's also a lot easier to pick up and play BB and to learn new characters.
>>345388183
No nerfs, only buffs my man
>>345388183
He can no longer grab during\after his airdash.
>>345388157
>>345388236
It didn't look like a girl though.
Why are GG balance changes always so extreme
>>345388284
I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here. When he does the YRC, he gets a long ass time to stare at the screen and see what you are doing. If you aren't in the air or really far away from him, the buster is guaranteed. If you're in the air, heat extend is guaranteed.
At least with FRC you didn't get to take a screenshot of the match and eat dinner while deciding what your best choice of action is.
>>345388383
Subtitles LITERALLY said "girl".
>>345388296
BB changes are usually retarded though and full of arbitrary combo route changes just for the sake of change
Azrael was pretty much the same from CP to CPEX, you just had to learn new confirms
but... why?
>>345388383
You only saw her legs but the text box said "Girl: ..."
>>345388396
Because the last balance patch was a long ass time ago. They have enough to go on to know what needs changes for sure
>>345388296
Because Japan players didn't want changes for Revelator release.
>>345388435
You're retarded, my friend, and you're obviously not a good GG player.
is dizzy tomorrow or today
18th or 19th
>>345388535
>They have enough to go on to know what needs changes for sure
Explain Sol and Zato.
>>345387605
>Easy
I hate doing her reversre notations its so awkward on pad
>>345375737
I used to on the ps3, i've just completely transitioned into PC and have been cucked from most of the games since they either have late releases or shit ports
>>345388396
It's just how Arcs Systems Works has always done things. The problem here is that it has been so long since major rebalancing that the changes are worrisome. Blazblue and older Guilty Gears rather frequently had new versions come out, but the last time Xrd received a big rebalancing was I think a month or two after it came out on console
Also devs realized that the League of Legends and Dota model are what sell.
>create a forced meta by making the game extremely unbalanced
>this forces people to constantly readapt to the game and relearn characters or move to new mains
>this means that the game stays "fresh"
>once people are comfortable and things look stagnant, do it all over again
It's becoming a really popular method of balancing competitive games. tldr: balance a game without balancing in mind.
It's no coincidence that they waited until their new waifu (Dizzy) came out before gutting the previous waifu. Elphelt was used as a postergirl (only character to get a figure from Xrd aside from Sol and Ky) to increase awareness and sales and now that that has run its course they can nerf her and put a new character up top.
>>345388628
18th PST so she could be out in 6 hours
>>345388296
But the balance gap is totally bullshit.
Tier list for BBCF
Technical S tier: Izanami
Easy S tier: Nine
Babby S tier: Azrael
>>345388678
Sol is literally Ishiwatari.
>>345387914
>-Why did Ragyo Kiryuin paint her face to look like a dalmatian?
Have you never heard of Insane Clown Posse anon? They taught us all how magnets are fucking bullshit
>>345388858
But Azrael takes skill
>>345388858
I meant that they rebalance the game more frequently with Blazblue not that the game itself is actually more balanced
>>345375737
>fightcade
>>345388901
>They taught us all how magnets are fucking bullshit
>>345383436
VENOM IN TOP 8 WHEN
>>345388829
Theyve been doing this well before the MOBA craze. Fuck, theyve been doing it for tabletop games since the 90's.
>>345385316
Not yet.
>>345385615
No
>>345387276
I was about to ask if the same shit is happening in revelator as in Xrd. EU will now be on the same patch as every other version? Wow. Maybe worth a pick up now.
press F to pay respects
>New Elph makes old Ram look top tier
I love this patch already
>>345389627
They have a different publishers now for EU and they've been really on point with all aspects of the release
>>345388296
>BB does a better job of consistently altering the game though
No it fucking doesn't. Stop talking out of your ass, since BB does it so often and each time it's retarded. I'm looking at the changes for GG and I don't see anything too unreasonable with very small exceptions. Face it. Guilty Gear has far more competent people working on it than Blazblue. I don't care if you like BB more, this is just fact at this point.
>>345385316
He got a couple of buffs, one of them was increased untechable time on Split Ciel
>>345388829
>(only character to get a figure from Xrd aside from Sol and Ky)
There's a Ramlethal figure. Millia was also going to get one but it was cancelled.
>>345388678
>Wanting to put Daisuke's character in shit tier.Never again.
>Nerfed Elphelt and Jacko to shit just as I was about to buy the game for them only
Well that's a fucking bullet dodged.
>>345390263
>Jack-O
>nerfed to shit
not even fucking close. You just can't completely ignore your houses anymore and have to use her recall move if you can't.
>>345390263
no you werent fuck off
>>345390263
>Not being like FAB
>Not working with what you got
>"B-But I can only use top tier and high tier characters only."
I use Sin and I'm still going to use him.
>>345383350
ArcSys nerfs moves the same way Blizzard nerfs cards in Hearthstone. They don't even attempt to balance them, they run them into the fucking ground so that no one ever uses them again.
>>345390580
>FAB
Only a select few can be a god.
so was the black screen announcement intentional or did they actually fuck up when they were going to announce another character?
>>345383290
Nyquil
>>345390580
FAB isn't really a good example.
The guy isn't humble about it at all. He's been bitching since day one and thinks everyone who loses to him is garbage.
>>345390513
I was literally going to buy the game tomorrow and I'm sure as fuck not going to do it now until I receive confirmation that my waifus are still in at least high tier.
>>345390580
>>345390704
>wanting to be completely irrelevant and only winning in situations where no one cares
>>345383608
>>345385372
>>345390263
>>345390461
calm your tits, it's only 2-3 seconds. Just airdash away or try and play footsies for once and score an knockdown.
Anyone know how long dizzy is free for?
>>345390789
nintendo always gets special privilege, that is the unspoken rule of /v/
>>345385949
>Madoka as a waifu
Hello Homura
>>345390883
Oh so you mean like 99% of people who play fighting games but use muh top tier character
>>345389094
THE POWER OF MAGNETISM
>>345390942
i fucking love the black and blue color.
PANIC
>>345390876
>Not sticking by your waifu through thick and thin, whatever buffs or nerfs may happen.
Disgusting.
>>345374930
>Sin nerfed
DAMAGE NERF PLEASE?!
Tell me it was a damage nerf
>>345388489
>and full of arbitrary combo route changes just for the sake of change
I hate that shit
>>345384759
You're still here? The cool old guy quota is already filled
>>345375737
Speak for yourself consoleswar enabler.
>>345391276
It was an everything nerf.
>>345389674
Jesus fucking christ
>>345390796
He isn't wrong
>>345391256
You can't RC the hungry state?
>>345390942
>for once
I love how people think Jack-O gets all this pressure for free or something. She has to spend a lot of her resources and time setting up what characters can do with a single YRC or less if they are Zato
I'm thinking about picking the game up but I don't have a stick for ps4 yet. should I still pick it up and play as a pad player or is that a bad idea?
>>345391038
2 weeks i think
>>345391440
do you find matches easily?
>>345390942
WOW! It's nothing
>>345391657
Revelator has legacy stick support. Actually every fighting game worth a shit has it anyway.
Anyone know if there is a stream to watch the Anime Suite?
>>345391856
wait so can I play with my hori fighting stick v3?(I know its cheap but I dont want to spend money on a new stick right now)
>>345391812
Aslong as you live in USA or EU
If you are a third world shitter like me enjoy your 6f-8f of lag matches.
>>345390718
They fucked up. Daisuke wasn't happy.
>>345391369
There's room for Gab though. This is coming from a Slayer main
>>345391657
Revelator uses KikeZ PS3 driver so you should be good
It's only sleep fighter 5 that is forcing you to play with PS4 sticks
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11-aocuCxPFP5UkvbCXE4xNIbQYFNumcGXoM334J88Do/preview
Sin:
2S: Lowered damage from 32 to 27.
6HS: Lowered damage from 42 to 38.
2D: Added base proration 90%
J6HS: Lowered damage from 44 to 36
Hungry motion: Unable to purple RC it anymore.
Every special move: Lowered meter gain from 150 to 100 except for Jump move and 236HS follow up.
BeakDriver: Lowered 1st hit damage from 46 to 36, added 10F recovery time. Charged version damage went from 76 to 66.
BeakDriver(Air): Lowered damage from 50 to 40.
ElkHunt: Base proration changed from 90% to 85%, added 2F recovery. (aka it’s not plus frames on block anymore)
Meat: Gains 1000 calory meter back on frame 25, full gain on frame 43. (Slower timing of gain calory)
RTL: Unable to change direction if it whiffs.
Elphelt:
Air Throw: Causes lower bounce on hit
Berry Pine(Bomb): Bigger hurtbox
Berry Pine(Self-Explode): Able to block, causes higher bounce, proration goes from 50 -> 80
Stance Roll: Invincible frame against attack changed from 16F to 10F
Close S: Bigger vertical hurtbox
Far S: Bigger horizontal hurtbox
2S: BIgger vertical hurtbox
2HS: Bigger vertical hurtbox before it becomes low-profile
6HS: Bigger horizontal hurtbox
JS: Added Base proration of 85%
Sniper: Nerfed meter increase. Normal reload: 150 to 50, Perfect reload: 200 to 100, Shot itself: 400 to 200.
Shotgun: Nerfed meter increase. Reload: 100 to 50, shot: 200 to 100.
Shotgun stance S move: Attack level lowered from 3 to 2. Bigger hurtbox.
Bridal Express(OTG): Attack level lowered from 4 to 3
Bridal Express(Air): Added 4 more frames of landing recovery so it changed from 3F to 7F
Vertical down motion: Bigger hurtbox
>>345374930
Do we have an english translation of the patch notes?
So how terrible is Johnny now?
This is absolutely important becausedesu he's the only GG character with an appealing design to me
Is ram still bad
>>345392263
Then why isn't he in the game already? Or even in the poll?
>>345392379
Johnny
Guts: Lowered from 4 to 3
Forward step: Meter gain goes down from 30 to 15
6P: Increase 3F recovery
6K: Attack level changed from 3 to 2
Far S: Bigger horizontal hurtbox
2S: Increased 5F recovery, bigger hurtbox
HS: Damage changed from 42 to 38, bigger hurtbox
2HS: Damage changed from 48 to 42, bigger hurtbox
6HS: Damage changed from 65 to 52, bigger hurtbox
2D: Damage buff on 1st hit, 25 to 30. 2nd hit damage lowered from 25 to 20
JS: Bigger hurtbox
JD: Lowered damage from 44 to 36
MF Stance: no meter gain for canceling into stance
MF: Meter gain changed to Lv1: 100 Lv2: 150 Lv3: 200
Upper MF: Damage increase rom 29 to 30
Lv3 MF: Damage nerf from 70 to 60, air version 60 to 55
Bacchus Sigh: UB property is gone, MF now triggers stagger motion instead of UB. Base proration changed from 70% to 60%. Fixed glitch.
Jack-O
Far S: Increased recovery form 16 to 20, bigger hurtbox
2S: increase recovery from 18 to 22
Ghost setup: when Ghost got destroyed there will be a cool-down time to set another ghost. Auto meter increase changed from 5 to 3. Unable to gain meter during super animation (when time freezes)
Servant: Bigger hurtbox.
Ghost pickup: Attack level changed from 4 to 2.
>>345392367
wow thanks anon! ima go pick it up tomorrow then
>>345392000
As long as it works on ps3, yes you can.
>>345392431
>he's the only GG character with an appealing design to me
What makes his design appealing while others not? Honestly curious
>>345392492
Fuck if I know
>>345392379
>Elphelt
>>345392501
so mist is back to being worthless and he does less damage and takes more due to guts nerf
it's like AC+ again but without the slick looking combos
>>345392431
Hes still really good, you just have to think more now.
>>345392917
He needs to RRC now so that he can combo afterwards. Big nerf yes, but still it WAS warranted.
>>345392501
>Bacchus Sigh: UB property is gone
why would they do this?
>>345393081
It's there still. What was gone is that if blocked, it staggers now instead of blowing the opponent up. Meaning if you hit it, you have to RC to continue the combo.
millia best girl
>>345391623
exactly, if her houses get broken chances are she needs to earn space to set them up again.
>>345393037
He had to RC before just to setup the mist didn't he? I doubt people are going to burn 100% of their meter unless it will win the round.
>>345393081
They couldn't think of a way to balance it I guess. I honestly don't see what the problem is so long as they nerfed his other abilities or maybe screen travel. It's an unblockable that isn't 100% guaranteed and requires setting up to do. I don't think that's inherently something not fit for the game. The damage you take from one of those combos you probably took in chip blocking Leo for example.
It's just combined with everything else it was ridiculous.
>>345393241
It just guard crushes like Leo's one stand attack. That's different from being unblockable
>>345393037
you ether have to do specific setups to lay a mist without YRC and then RRC or spend 75 tension on something that has 60 percent proration
you're better off with YRC zweihander or going for 2hs meaty mixups
>>345393037
He still had to YRC for the Mist. Having to RRC to combo after PLUS less damage is dumb.
>>345392379
>Berry Pine(Self-Explode): Able to block, causes higher bounce, proration goes from 50 -> 80
>Able to block
does this means she can block the bomb if she holds on to it?
Does this means she can allah akbur when she gets pressured?
I wish they would have just removed mist from Johnny and give him ensenga back
>>345383350
As much as you may have hated Elphelt deep down you know she didn't deserve this
>>345393890
Fuck you she deserved it.
So is Dizzy going up in a few hours or what?
>>345393881
sorry that belongs to May now
>game has strong top tiers
>instead of a lot of buffs to everyone else they nerf the top tiers to the ground and strangely ignore some of them for no reason
I hate this mentality for balancing. Unless the character is literally broken, which no one in Xrd was, buff the bad characters and leave the top ones alone.
There is almost no reason to ever nerf a character.
http://www.ggxrd.com/rev/gginfo_july.pdf
Now can anyone translate these?
>>345393881
Ensenga is redundant. TK k-mf and his j.234k do everything Ensenga ever did.
>>345393972
There were a ton of Elphelts at Evo and none of them got into top 8. She simply can't be that busted.
>>345394042
18th
>>345388042
Yeah if you know how they make these models and considering how great Dizzy looks. You know this was probably the hardest character to do and how much effort went into this character.
>>345394042
It depends on Sony. It can either be out in 2 hours or it will be out in 14 hours.
>>345394252
>There is almost no reason to ever nerf a character.
So you want Melty Bloody type bullshit then?
>>345394252
Dude, fighting game character power is a zero-sum game. They only exist in comparison to each other. There is no difference between nerfing character X and buffing everyone else, except the latter is a lot more work.
>>345394380
but Ensenga is more visually appealing
>>345374930
Bridget and Testament fucking when?
Okay, who the fuck is strongest character in canon? I've heard Slayer, Sol, and That Man, but what's the official word on it?
>>345394042
>>345394453
Sony updates the store every tuesday at evening so thats the best bet
>>345394847
Except for the part where they specifically said she comes out tomorrow.
>>345394818
Dizzy when she goes berserk killed the entire GGverse and was only stopped due to time travel shenanigans
>>345394734
>not naming the file slayers_younger_years
>>345394818
The general( potemkins boss)
That man
Slayer
Anyone with gear cells and gears themselves( justice, dizzy etc )
The valentines
Raven
That man is probably the overall strongest single character
>>345394734
I think there is a Doujin about that already
>>345394624
Not even. Full screen zwei-jump FRC into lvl2/3 j.s mf into a full combo is way more cash than even the coolest Ensenga shit (like 6h ch, tk Ensenga rc). Not to mention jump zwei yrc conversions are hype as fuck.
>>345395041
Sol is probably the strongest except potentially Slayer/Gabe/Dizz, he"s too much of a pussy to tap into his power though.
Wait, Is revelator out? i thought it was in august.
Is it out on ps4 already? and have they removed the region lock from it already? I cant find a single person in my shitty country.
>>345395041
It's really hard to tell since we haven't seen any of these characters at full power, or even close to it.
>>345395491
I'm guessing you're on Xrd Sign in Europe? If so yes, Revelator had a proper release in Europe and you should be able to play with the rest of the world just fine. It also came out early June.
>>345394818
I think it is a toss up between Sol, Slayer, That Man, and Gabriel, with Raven on the side due to the perfect immortality thing he has going on.
Maybe Axl or I-no as well, due to their nebulous ass storyline abilities.
I don't think we have seen any of them go all out yet, so at this point, who knows?
Hey guys I'm a week into revelator. I'm new to the terms, what's a dp and the 6s or 3hs you guys are referring to?
Okay so how is Sin looking with these nerfs? How minus does the 10f recovery on beak driver put him on block? Are you going to get fucked for throwing it out in neutral? Also elk hunt is like -1f on block now right?
>>345395760
the numbers refer to keypad numbers
like your numpad on your keyboard, directions
dp is double penetration cause i'm gonna fucc yo sissy ass boi puss
>>345394818
>>345394965
>>345395041
>>345395356
>>345395505
>Everyone forgets Sharon
>Who can take being drained by Slayer daily
>Slayer is scared of her
>Storyline claims that she is more powerful than Slayer
>>345395505
>Its a "I'm not at full power" episode
>the whole entire time
>>345395843
Hes still a solid character. The nerfs mean he can no longer scum his way in eith Elk Hunt and Beak Driver. His normals are still some of the best in the game. He now has to play the eay he was intended to be played.
>>345395859
Bring it on! More meat to the grinder!
>>345395760
Dp is dragon punch
6 3 is terms on the number pad on your keyboard
HS is high slash, Slash, Punch, etc.
Who you main?
>>345395961
>>Slayer is scared of her
I really think it's just a "lol he's scared of his wife joke". And while she is invincible she's not actually powerful in a fighting sense
Just deleted SFV and bought this. Can't wait to finally play it. Gonna watch SFV Evo before playing. I can still enjoy watching SFV at least.
>>345396102
I'm learning Leo and maining sol and ky. They're both easy enough to pickup and learn so far.
Can you go into more detail about dp? I play fightan casually but I don't know the terms and what they mean ingame
>>345395760
Dp= Dragon Punch or shoryuken. It's usual any special move with good anti-air properties and invulnerability friends. Think ryu's uppercut, which is the source of the term.
Anime fighters tend to use number pad input notation for moves. Think of the way your analog stick as coresponding to a number pad. Keeping it in its default state would be 5, moving it to the right (when facing right) would be 6, etc.
The letters correspond to the button inputs of the game. For GG, these are your punch, kick, slash, heavy slash, and dust buttons and the shorthand of them is simply just the first letters of each button.
How do I unlock the Japanese guy piloted by a girl?
>>345396518
>Japanese guy
She's Korean
>>345396501
Thanks, anon. You good guy
>>345381568
>Even then, you can keep playing them and do well or take all that knowledge you learned and apply it to something else.
I'm not going to fucking change characters you fucking faggot. Whenever I buy a game, I buy the whole game for one character's sake. I'm going to change games before I change characters.
>>345396442
A DP (Dragon Punch) is something like Sol's volcanic viper or Ky's Vapor Thrust.
A big rising uppercut or something that usually has some sort of startup invincibility on it.
Alternatively, DP can also mean the traditional input that a DP would be on, which would be 623 in numpad notation.
![numeric-notation-reference-sheet[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LXicy4L.jpg "numeric-notation-reference-sheet[3]")
>>345397559
forgot image
>>345388843
pretty sure PSN store updates at like noon pst though
>>345396282
I'm comparing Sharon and Slayer to Dizzy/Ky, Millia/Zato, Anji/Baiken and even May/Johnny. None of those couples are scared of the other person like Slayer is with Sharon.
>>345396442
DP is Forward, Down, Down-Forward. Look at your gamepad or your stick. It's sort of a Z or a U shape motion. Or Ryu's uppercut.
>>345396501 Also explains it good.
If you are using Ky remember to combo into his charged fireballs. They are a good poking tool.
The best way to learn combos is to watch videos and compare notations.
>>345397795
>I'm comparing Sharon and Slayer to Dizzy/Ky, Millia/Zato, Anji/Baiken and even May/Johnny. None of those couples are scared of the other person like Slayer is with Sharon.
Nice headcanon m8. Anji and Baiken aren't together and nothing shows Sharon fighting
>>345395961
dont forget how she killed Eddie by touching him
someone mention the new music?
>>345398293
Yeah i cant find Heavy Days
is it there?
![Iron_Tager_(Chibi)[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/NQYTTko.png "Iron Tager (Chibi)[1]")
