Why did it flopped so hard /v/?
Why is every MMORPG microtransaction central nowadays?
>2016
>MMORPGs
Son...
Every MMO publisher is trash.
>>345330845
>>Why is every MMORPG microtransaction central nowadays?
'cause you are not willing to b2p OR p2p
blame yourself faggot.
>>345330845
>literal whos of the RO team, initially parading it as the successor to RO
>1st time making an MMO
>no actual planning for their content
>bendign over backwards for KR players to try to keep them interested
>completely fuck over the NA/EU playerbase
>muh bot prevention measures
Theres more but its really just a cae of incompetence on their part
>>345330845
>Why is every MMORPG microtransaction central nowadays?
Because making a crappy game and milking idiots with early access and them some whales is more profitable than spending years and hard work into making a good game.
Blame the idiots and the whales.
>Why did it flopped so hard /v/?
Because it's a generic MMO riding on RO nostalgia.
>Why is every MMORPG microtransaction central nowadays?
Because it's a profitable model designed to keep a project alive in the world where videogames are sold for $0.49 before they go on sale.
>>345331976
This, MMOs need to get you addicted, and one proven way of doing that is luring you in with fun and excitement at the start, then setting you up with a drip-feed of microtransactions. Eventually it reaches a point where you feel you have to keep playing, or else all your hours of commitment will have gone to waste.
>>345331858
But I played LoL for 5 years and spent 10 bucks every month and begged in the forums for them to release a p2p fee.
You are talking out of your ass bud.
>tfw RO will never ever have a true successor
>tfw only RO 2 and this shit exist
>>345333341
>only RO 2 and this shit exist
There is also RO 2.
I had high hopes for this game and it turned out to be complete trash. MMOs are dead.
>>345333446
They've been dead since WoW killed the genre.
>>345333652
Pretty much.
Blizzard is actively trying to kill every genre tbqh.
>>345330845
Because no one wants to invest into a niche game that doesn't promise at least a million users, and yet it's impossible to get 1m+ users without being f2p so you can attract the south america and south east asia community to your mmo.
>Play RO since release
>Hear about this
>1 year of my time waiting with enormous hype
>Buy it on release
>It's absolute dogshit
WHO HAD THE GREAT IDEA OF GIVING THE MONSTERS 0 VALUE
THE BEST DROPS ARE IN THE DUNGEONS
YOU ONLY LEVEL UP VIA QUEST
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY RO 2
Man, you guys said this was going to save the MMO genre.
>>345331916
They are trying to keep the sinking boat afloat now, we are getting a small server event and there are actual news on rank8
But at same time western community asked for some of balance changes from kToS and with the incomming patches merging there were hopes but IMC chose to export our fucked balance in kToS making BOTH iToS and kToS community even more angry in a single move.
>>345334305
We all thought it was going to anon, we all did...
>>345334174
>He bought what was clearly another Korean grindy shitfest MMO because it might possibly have had something to do with RO at some point, maybe
I feel sorry for you anon. RO is gone, it's time to accept it.
>>345334309
Im more upset that week after eek, fi you read the patch notes, classes, mainly swordsman skills are gettign tweaked, buffed, the works. Wedont get shit, ever. Neither are touching the mechanically broken classes yet but still KR is doing -something- and whilethis might be mostly nexons doing, they do still do somewhat frequent events.
For trying to keep it afloat, theyre doing a terrible job
>>345334389
>grindy shitfest
It's not even grindy, it's one of the dullest MMO ever made
>>345334309
wait they nerfed kToS as bad as iToS? no way that makes no sense, why would they risk losing their already dying playerbase over there?
So swordsman is stil complete crap? or they finally added something to compensate for the skyliner nerf?
Fug I spent like $100 on founder packs and didn't spend any of it, I just want the bunny outfits and fuckign luchador to be viable.
>>345334174
>WHERE THE FUCK IS MY RO 2
It's a Chinese mobage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ5HeveHOhk
>>345334528
No anon, this is a curent day grinding shitfest MMO; quest grinding anyway. Isnt it just like old time grinding? So much fun!
>>345334618
I have a patch note pastebin, i havent seen any nerfs of iToS tier, except steady aim finally gettign nerfed
>>345334389
I can't anon, my childhood and my teenage years are in RO.
>>345334528
Indeed.
I don't mind to grind, I play Summoners War for crying out loud.
What I mind is to feel like every class is equally useless with the exception of 2 or 3 upper classes.
>>345334694
>the industry is so fucked up that mobile games are the future
worst timeline
>>345334618
kToS is getting our 15 seconds Skyliner, nerfed Steady Aim and some other thngs
Gooks are really happy about this and it seems Nexon might offer a class reset reward in an event just because IMC incompetence :^)
Sadly Tree of Savior is the only good f2p mmorpg right now and it will stay this way for a long time unless you want to play WoW clones.
>>345334695
Look better, they are getting Skyliner nerfs
>when you realised it was just another linear themepark game except now with extra BRs and shitty servers
>>345334949
I had forgotten skyliner nerf. I cant say one way or the other if that's terrible if they keep buffing other skills of the swordie tree to compensate. Steady aim was bound to happen so im not suprised about that one.
>>345330845
>>345330845
It's not bad because of microtransactions. It's simply an unfinished piece of shit.
>>345333191
>But I played LoL for 5 years and spent 10 bucks every month
Even worse, you fed the microtransdiggers.
>>345334515
I'm more upset that they KNEW the game wasn't ready yet, but caved to the fucking BRs who wanted it to go F2P asap. Would releasing it in June like they originally stated they would have solved all the games problems? No. But releasing it in the state it was in, then CLOSING ACCESS TO NEW ACCOUNTS BECAUSE THE SERVERS/OPTIMIZATION/GAME were shit was the death knell.
one sane mind can only so often play throu the same questline over and over again. i would gladly trade there retarded quest system against oldschool ro like grind
>>345335508
>Pay a montly subscription of WoW for 5 years
>"Wow! Good luck for supporting the industry!"
>Pay 10 bucks every month for 5 years on a f2p game
>"YOU FED THE MICROTRANSDIGGERS"
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT
>>345335654
>make a character
>kill some porings
>kill some wolves
>kill some orcs
>do some quests
>get some items
>a card pops out and makes your day
>all with comfy music and visuals
Gaming sure is dead. Time machine when?
>>345335548
honestly anon? I dout them taking the few extra weeks, even months woulda helped them. They were fully unprepared for a game population outside the scope of the KR population, and the beta didnt seem to get that point accross to them already. The devs were incompetent, pure and simple, it was shown during the last beta, it was made painfully clear here.
>>345335689
Stop ripping conclusions from your ass. I've played wow, yes. For longer then5 years. But all of that time i played on private servers and didnt give blizz a single dime.
=
opinion disregarded.
It flopped because IMC decided to make it public even though the game is still in beta phase
the game's shit and unless you really like hardcore grinding games, I wouldnt recommend it for anyone
>>345335960
So you are telling me that I should support the industry...but not give money via microtransactions...while you play on a private server?
Uh...
At least it didn't have a matchmaking system for dungeons right?
Or it was so broken during the beta that talking to other players and grouping up with them was the best way to go about things.
Shame that the overworld was pathetically easy to solo.
>>345336027
>announce open beta
>change it to paid early access, f2p to follow shortly
it was pure greed
>>345330845
> Proven:
F2P+ microtransactions makes must as much money as subs without pissing off your fans. B2P is also completely valid in most countries, but these places are operating out of the east-asian markets primarily, where they actually make fuck-tons e money from microtransactions.
> What they did wrong
Their pay methods were fucking retarded.
> A monthly that ads 33% to all experience you gain and makes you move faster.
> A Book that you pay for BY THE HOUR, that gives you another 33% experience increase
Instead of making the game fun at the free-level and better at the pay-level, they basically made a game with a built-in demo that you have to pay to get out of.
...by the FUCKING HOUR EXP BOOSTER.
Reminder the /vg/ community is like the 30% of the NA server active population and /tosg/ has more than burgers.
>>345336208
it was just pure idiotism from IMC
shouldve kept the game Pay4Beta at least half a year
>>345335820
I know. My post literally says that it wouldn't have made a difference. But caving to BRs - ie. the subset of F2P players WHO WILL NEVER SPEND ANY MONEY, cannibalize games and move on like locusts was the end for ToS. I thought I was hallucinating when it clicked that Nexon was the only thing preventing IMCs incompetence from ruining KToS, but after the absolute shitshow the International version became, I realized it was reality.
This was one of the worst scam jobs from a developer in history because no only did they alienate anyone who would have actually bought their hilariously overpriced dlc money packs, they REWARDED the retards who bought in game currency from botters/hackers by giving them essentially a lifetimes worth lol.
>>345336261
yes thats why its fucking shit
also
>/vg/
>>345330845
Honestly I was liking the game so far, but when the beginner pack and TP prices were announced I just noped out of it.
Made a mistake when choosing team name due to game being ambiguous about it, not to mention why even add character names if team name is all that's used for player interaction? And somehow name change was almost as expensive as a month's premium. They reduced premium price but everything else is still expensive as fuck, even the costumes which is one of the things people will buy a lot if priced right.
The real problem with ToS, is their devs don't even play their game, like if you played you would know, there's so much shit that gets poorly implemented, so many easy exploits, so may bugged things, every patch they fuck something up, and they take forever to fix it.
This was the first time I've seen a game having to remove the access to new accounts because the game was so fucked they couldn't handle new peole joining in. And instead of blocking the botters and gold sellers, they just gave them a notice in advance so they stockpiled dummy accounts and kept flooding the servers with their bots and gold adds.
>>345336574
Sorry, was multi-tasking and skimmed the post so missed that part. Yeah, i really dont know what to say about the whole shitshow that was ToS, and its infuriating because the game had a great concept, a good aesthetic, some good music, it could have been good, still can technically but so so very unlikely it ever will be before they just pack it up and shut the thing down
>>345334174
Its fucked up cause in the '90s and early '00s they made multiple genre defining games
i blame Activision
>>345336246
This is another case of a great game concept falling into the hands of incompetent people who don't know how to develop it.
At this point, IMC has created/fostered such ill will for IToS that its dead no matter what.
>>345333341
>>345334174
>>345334389
>>345334694
Google "Ragnarok : XD" (or "RO:XD")
It's time to get hyped, and get on the wait wagon once again; this will be our real RO2.
>>345338576
Mobile shit? Thats ain't our RO2
They've added rank 8 classes yesterday.
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=518
>>345338830
>He doesn't play his mobile games on his computer.
>>345336178
I don't pay for wow because i don't see it being worth my pennies. I do pay for ESO.
>inb4 shit taste
I see it worthwhile and actually am willing to pay for it. Microtransactions are bad 'cause it gives the illusion of f2p.
>>345338576
>XD
>>345338886
And the other 7 ranks are still an unbalanced mess, yay
Post your favorite class right now.
>>345339164
>hyped for a MMORPG about ironic shitposting
>is just another crappy RO2
welp
>>345339371
wrong pic lmao
>>345338576
Fun fact: The Offspring made music for the trailer.
>>345330845
for a start it has too many technical issues with the game and servers, then its being mismanaged, they killed it more than the monetization model alone
shame really
>>345338886
>now you can have a rank higher than your FPS
What an improvement!
Guess it's time to go back to another private server for RO
>>345342052
That's really fun anon.
>>345330845
Too many restrictions to 'stop bots' but the it didn't stop the bots at all it only hurt the playerbase
>>345339371
yeah Jester is great
by the way, you can teleport hack in ToS with just cheatengine
>>345342695
>restrictions are doing jack shit to stop bots
>players complain that it's not stopping bots
>"no but you see we need the restrictions so it stops the bots"
>but they don't stop the bots
>"no, you don't know anything trust us the restrictions work and it would be worse without them"
>>345343337
He's right you know.
>>345343107
so far nothings topped the "can be every class at once" in open beta and the destroy guild of release
>>345338886
woa is there info like this for the other classes yet?
>>345343952
Not yet, dont expect anymore for one or 2 months. Would assume archer or swordie would be next in line for news
>>345344421
welp, shit
To be honest I'd be happy with they just fixing pet classes to not be shit.
My conversion paladin is going to be so fun once that shit finally works properly.
>>345330845
>removed freefor all guild war declarations
>lose complete interest
if you're a grind monkey you'll still have fun
>>345344572
>once that shit finally works properly
Im glad you still have some optimism there anon, my hunter would be happy too. I just dont see it happening anytime in the near future
>>345344843
except you wotn because as it turns out, quest grinding is the absolute lowest level of entertainment and having to do that shit o nevery character is mind numbingly torturous
Psychokino and Chronomancers looked fun in the trailers, but are they actually useful in the game?
>>345330845
>Why is every MMORPG microtransaction central nowadays?
I think ToS is probably the least microtransaction of them all.
I mean, there's enchant scrolls and cash shop hair that you can enchant, but that kinda shit doesn't exactly make or break a build.
>>345344935
Kino is apparently a really good PvP class, but not so great in PvE.
Chrono, however, is far and above one of the most desired classes in really any content.
>promise server transfer
>postpone it again and again
>lose interest in the game for about a month
>come back to the game
>server transfer happened while i was gone
>there's not even an option to pay them to do the transfer and my characters are stuck on a server i don't want to play on
Haven't touched the game since then.
I want a mmo with classes diversity.
AND different kind of build for each classes and viable.
AND without overpowered clas/build that completely eclipse the other ones.
>>345345795
Sorry anon, by virtue of players finding the best class for everything even by a tiny %, there will never be a time where a class/build isnt just slightly superior, thus making any other build trash.
Especially so when you give a class multiple build types or options in what it does.
>>345346531
I just want to be free.
>>345346684
XI/SWG/RO were yrs ago anon and had as close as its going to get to those things, sorry man. You had your chance to bask in good MMOs, now you get to deal with this shit
