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What happen to western games and why are they shit?
>>345296846
They are all copying eachother, most Sony games shown on this year's E3 leaned heavily on the Last of Us / Uncharted formula.
>>345297346
The new God of War is a good example of that. It's just a God of War themed Last of Us, hell you're even escorting a little kid the whole time.
>>345297346
It's funny that you mention uncharted cause i just add it to my "Mature" games list
>>345297594
Supposedly you'll be playing as the kid, adult.
But what I'm talking about are not the similarities in the story, but the way are presented, and the gameplay.
>nu-male of war
>>345296846
The short answer is simpley:
Focus testing
>>345297692
>but the way are presented, and the gameplay.
So was I. The God of War footage had the same exact camera angle as Last of Us and followed the same pacing the gameplay had where it alternated between sections of walking around with the two main characters interacting with each other and then small portions of combat.
Western games are designed to be "experiences" basically interactive movies. Japanese games are still designed to be games, even the most casual shitty JRPGs.
>>345297692
Here's how God of War is going down, Kratos is an old man and leading you down the path of the warrior, things happens and he dies and the kid at that point grows up and becomes like Kratos filled with revenge. You can either emulate his mistakes in getting said revenge or go a different route with mercy. Shit like that.
>>345296846
>"Cinematic" gameplay
>Muh deep, mature story with socially aware themes
>Prioritizing pretty graphics over performance and advances in the gameplay
>The player having fun is no longer a priority
>>345296846
Oh look ANOTHER shit on Sony games thread, maybe the third one today, keep trying OP your flamebait threads will never stop people buying games.
>>345298034
Haven't played Quantum Break, but doesn't that have some time travel mechanic, or is that pretty much just a QTE thing?
>>345296846
What happened to bald space marines?
moies killed souls of gamemakers. They care about fast realase some shit under popular franhise, throw few $dlc at it and voila.
DON'T ATTACK ME OR MY WIFE'S SON EVER AGAIN
>>345298047
No one mention anything about sony or any other console war shit.
>>345298658
He even looks like a nu male on steroids now.
>>345296846
it kind of mirrors the "mature" movies that emerged in the 90's.
kids get older but don't grow up and want their toys and cartoon and movies to be recognized as adult. it's the perfect compromise. they don't have to BE grown up, but they get the recognition.
simple, really.
see also: "intellectual" movies
>>345298737
JUST add glasses
>most Western games mediocre as hell gameplay-wise
>everyone and their mom rides the West's cock like it's going out of style
I just don't get it. How do people play these Western games and think, "Yeah, this is great!" Even when I enjoy them, I really feel like they're just 'okay' or simply 'good'.
>>345299413
They genuinely do not know any better because they started playing games within the last ten years.
>>345296846
I think the reason games go with narrative story driven horse shit is because that is all consoles can deliver now.
If you want an e-sport it has to be PC, so brand marketing for mass appeal on MP games on console never works. No one is going to buy CS:4.
But when you add these deep narrative story's you can get someone to boot up their console and go through them.
>>345298903
This is exactly what happened and is happening, now not only we don't get really mature stuff but also everyone forgot what it's like to not take themselves too seriously and just make something imaginative and fucking fun.
>>345300646
Honestly, there has to be a middle ground because the two extremes are both shit.
>>345300646
Holy strawmen, Batman.
>>345300718
It's not even just the children, the casuals, or the posers who think they're "such nerds xD" but barely even play video games. You see even a lot of prominent Japanese video game designers like Hideki Kamiya praise the West and it's just so strange. He's legitimately looking forward to God of War 4 even though that looks dumbed down, even by GoW standards.
>>345298903
What's funny is the Japs still do mature themes better on a consistent basis than the west
>>345300646
You okay?
>>345296846
the problem with western games is their consumer base is westerners
this is what 99% of them want
Third-Person over the shoulder walking games are absurdly popular due to the huge success of TLOU. It looks like the market is getting oversaturated thank god.
>>345298107
What gets me about that game is that the game has a really cool time-controlling gimmick and yet the main character of the game is still somehow an average-lookingwhiteeveryman with an extremely boring character design.
Like for fucks' sakes, for something about a dude manipulating time, couldn't you do something else with the character design? Make the character look more interesting? Make the plot go in another direction than just going for DUDE REALISM LMAO.
>>345296846
Western console games were almost always shit. Nobody makes PC exclusives anymore because of the cost of AAA development.
>>345298437
At first I was mad but now I'm really glad that they redesigned Cole for inFAMOUS 2
He looks so much better
>>345298437
>When Anita says this /v/ shits on her
>>345297346
You say that like all Japanese games aren't carbon copies of one another...
>>345300996
But the customer base has always been Westerners. Why did they get shitty now?
>>345301347
Explain how Yakuza is anything like Monster Hunter
Explain how Mario is anything like Dragon Quest.
>>345301347
>Catherine is the same as Asura's Wrath
>Street Fighter is the same as Final Fantasy
>Kingdom Hearts is the same as Project Diva
>Devil May Cry is the same as Senran Kagura
>Dark Souls is the same as Animal Crossing
Do you ever think before you type?
>>345298107
"Game" lasts about 6 hours. 4 of those are watching videos. Some of the gameplay looked neat, but there's very little of it.
By videos, i mean actual videos. Live action movie of stuff happening parallel to the player. So it's kind of weird in that you have the main character of the game that's featured less than the main character of the movie.
That said the story is a pretty fun ride. Watch it on youtube. Choice seems like it impacts things quite a bit and ripples as well, so your movie experience may be different than mine.
>>345301413
Explain how crash bandicoot is anything like skyrim
Explain how Diablo is anything like counter strike
>>345296846
western audience have shit taste
>>345296846
Forgeting about Infamous 1 and 2, ratchet and clank, Hotline Miami, hell, most indies in general, great shooter games like killzone, I mean cmon now.
>>345301708
>picking games from different genres
Nice try retard. Youre failing to remember the countless Jrpgs that are rip offs of each other...
>>345302914
Like?
>>345302902
the pic is a mature gamer starter pack
>>345302707
>>345301347
>>345302914
Here we go again with another Jap vs west argument
>>345302781
>played Uncharted 4 to the end without going to /v/
>don't even really notice Nadine's race or sex
>feel like she's alright if a little underutilized
>go to /v/
>they won't stop shitting bricks over Drake getting his ass beat like he does in every other game by someone who has more legitimate hand-to-hand combat training than him
Can't even get a real conversation about the game 'cause of this shit.
The real problem with Nadine is that it's hinted Sully has had run-ins with her but it's never expanded upon, and her backstory is fairly basic and just kinda thrown around in gameplay conversations like an afterthought.
At the end of the day she's just a merc and it's kinda boring.
>>345302914
>ALL Japanese games
It's almost like I was following his logic
>>345300839
>there has to be a middle ground
There is none. I think the middle ground is sport games, those are enjoyed by anyone no matter their country.
>>345302781
press triangle dammit!
>>345303109
Also people she she was actually hurting Nate, whenit just seemed like he had a fetish for getting beaten up by big black girls.He even tells her his safeword
Western gamers, critics, developers are desperate to have their medium of choice seen as a mature and well respected hobby/profession leading to cinematic and narrative focused games.
>>345304194
It's not even just this. It's the fact that although Western writing is still probably better than Japanese writing overall, most of it is still fucking trash, leading to games like Heavy Rain, which try their damned hardest to come off of as serious games, but completely fall on their asses.
On top of that, though Japanese writing can be awful, at least they try to do different, crazier things, so that while there may be a greater margin of error, at least a lot of their stuff comes off as inspired anyway. Meanwhile, Western games are safer and "safe" means boring.
>>345296846
I'm glad Xbox fans don't go crazy over this cinematic shit. Quantum Break needed to fail that way the Xbox could get some actual games that are fun and not cinematic trash. I hope Remedy changes for the better because if Quantum Break is telling of their future direction with games, I rather they just make it for the PS4. I want to play games not cinematics and Xbox has always been known for its games.
