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>>345227447
>Eric: YOU KILLEDMIRA
>Q: NO I DIDN'T YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME
>Eric: THEN WHO DID IT?
>type in Q
>Q: IT WAS MEE
>Eric: IMPOSSIBLE
>shoots Q
>mfw
>>345227447
is zero time dilemma one of the ugliest games ever made?
In another timeline Delta abandoned his murder games plan and had a stint at turning the study into the lamest amusement park in the world.
>>345227780
you should finish the game before posting here
just saying
>>345228542
do i get a different outcome if i type insean?
>>345227825
Not when VLR exists
>>345227825
VLR was uglier even if I think it was a better game.
>>345228886
Just play the game, guy. Don't come back until you're finished.
>>345228886
Try typing in random greek letters
>>345227825
>thosebabymodels
It's definitely up there.
COMPLEX SORROW
i picked the right color at the beginning and beat the game
best 50 bucks ever spent
>>345229823
But 8 billion...
>>345229763
never realized how much Delta looks like Reddit
explains a lot
>>345227825
ZTD looked fine.
I'd be more concerned with the unanswered questions it leaves behind.
>>345229741
>build robot of one of the nicest kids who ever lived
>put him in the group with the serial killer and the crazy asshole
For what reason?
"Phi, what are you doing in there?"
"I'm cutting my next album, what do you think I'm doing?"
The only line in the game that made me laugh.
>>345231841
>u will never hear phi's album
When I was doing the Carlos and Junpei AB game section I was thinking to myself "They better not be doing a repeat of the Alice ally/betray thing from VLR..."
Then I did the other ending and yup, that's what they did.
>>345231924
Life is unfair.
>>345232339
Wasn't it Phi that the ally/betray thing happened with in VLR?
>>345231841
>>345231924
>>345232497
I want to see a picture of VLR Phi wearing a pair of headphones grooving to a beat.
>>345232534
It was both Phi and Alice.Alice was a bigger bitch about it though.
>>345232534
>>345232627
I only remember it with Alice but that's probably just because she got all huffy about it.
That said, I also haven't played VLR since it came out.
>>345232339
I knew when the AB game appeared in ZTD it was going to pull the same bullshit that happened in VLR.>Ally
>Sorry Carlos, I didn't mean to kill you. But doing so allows me and Akane can escape since 6 will be dead. Don't take it personally.
>Junpei, where are you?>Betray
>I trusted you Carlos! This is the thanks I get?!
>You killed Jumpy! *beat Carlos with extinguisher*
Such bullshit.
>>345231841
That, was one of the few funny lines. Most of the game's attempts at being funny fell flat, like...
>Someone likes cake too much...
>Oh, I know! Let's cut off Jumpei's arm!
>>345233180
I think this is also a part of why I didn't like the game as much. It just falls flat in humor and character as opposed to the old games.
>>345233021
The fire extinguisher made it worth it for me desu, one of the funniest deaths in the game.
>tfw you'll never experience safe ending for the first time
>>345234263
But I already did
I already experienced all of it for the first time
>>345234263
I think Safe Ending was the high point of the Zero Escape series as well.
>>345234263
>>345235128
True but we can always post about it.
>>345235270
This game was fucking amazing.
>>345235270
if only ZTD had flames this stylish
>>345235128
To think we'd never see Snake again...
>>345228289
C O M P L E X
M O T I V E S
Why is Delta 124?
Why are his eyes purple?
>>345236796
I assume it's because of Mind Hack since Phi doesn't have those kinds of eyes
>Sigma is actually Kyle
>Delta is actually Old Sigma
Explains why 'Sigma' is so retarded even though he's supposed to be a genius 67 year old polymath.
Old Sigma transported his consciousness into Brother, rendering him incapable of releasing Radical-6. At this point Sigma has already won and averted the disaster.
However, there is a problem: In order for Brother to be defeated in this way, he needs to EXIST in the first place. It so happens that Kyle bangs Diana and is the father. Therefore, there has to be a DECISION GAME in order to ensure that Brother is born so that he can be taken over by Old Sigma.
In the true end, Old Sigma moves all of the Deus Ex Machina shit away and destroys the virus. He then swaps his consciousness back to the future, giving Delta back his evil Brother consciousness and Young Sigma his body, with Kyle going back to the future as well.
He had to do it all this way since it was the only way to ensure that Brother wouldn't catch on to the plan.
This is why Dio was sent to fuck shit up in VLR; after Brother got his consciousness back he was pissed that his evil plans were foiled.
This of course means that Kyle is Brother in VLR but they just inject him with drugs or something to make him forget/be a total bro.
There, I fixed it.
>>345236796
He keeps his mind sharp and wears contacts.
>>345235270
>pulled taunt
i'll never not be mad about typos.
>>345233758
Honestly, 999 didn't have much in the way of good jokes either outside of maybe funyarinpa, unless you're absolutely tickled silly by puns and euphemisms for some reason. Part of why I liked VLR so much is that the dialogue consistently amused me even when it wasn't laugh out loud funny.
>>345229043
Fucking Karen. Lying whore.
>>345237316
>My computer decided to eat shit and die. I didn't want to spend all night troubleshooting the stupid thing.
>>345237595
whats the deal with kyle? i forgot
>>345229050
ZTD was uglier than VLR. VLR at least had competently done backgrounds and modelers that didn't give up on making outfits as complicated as leather jackets.
>>345237914
Fuck off, Uchi.
>>345237914
Replay the special endings in VLR.
>>345237914
Near the end of VLR he jumped into someone's body in the past and it was implied he was going to be present in ZTD, and then he wasn't in the game at all
>>345237995
But the models in VLR don't have a leg to stand on.
Nearly wrapping up the game now after about 16~ hours.
>Sigma is Phi's dad
all those meme theories years ago turned out to be true.
>mfw having toplay the AB game again
>>345238229
I honestly wonder if Uchikoshi just "forgot" about that ending or if he implicitly dodged trying to fit it all together.
Does the Japanese ending of VLR read the same way as the US version? Trying to rule out a shitty translation here.
>>345238387
makes her unable to run away before the rape
>>345231037
They really do ruin everything. Even Japanese devs brains.
>>345229043
I finished it in like 17 hours
I'm going to marry Carlos!
>>345238620
regardless of any excuses he already tried to pull this in ever17 with blick winkel, and ze basically has all of ever17's other twists, so it was probably intended
>>345239827
Are you his sister?
>>345240112
Que?
>the entire series happens because ofa fucking snail
I didn't want this
>>345240670
Life is simply unfair...
...Don't you think?
>>345240670
>snail causes the fanatic to exist
>the fanatic isAoiwho becomes a nihilist because he finds out about his parents' deaths
>>345240859
>father dies in a car crash
>mother kills herself because she's a selfish bitch
Snail did nothing wrong.
>>345241017
Reminder that the snail was actually controlled by a parasite.
reminder that ZTD is incomplete just like remember11
This is how I feel.
>>345241286
>>345241349
Coincidence, or morphogenetic field? You decide
>>345241349
No it isn't.
ZTD was very clearly written to be the end to Zero Escape, but Remember11 was very clearly written and left unfinished because there was no other option to actually get it released.
ZTD is canonically a mess, Remember11 is canonically an unfinished masterwork.
>>345241780
it's also a complete mess that randomly brings up mind hacking and aliens for nothing but plot devices and clearly intended to be much more then it actually was but was strapped for time. probably cuz they blew their budget on the animation
Why the fuck didn't Diana wear the bluebird as a necklace?
>mfw half of the music is re used
>mfw Mira is a shit character
>mfw Akane and Junpei feel like totally different people
>mfw barely any Sigma/Phi banter
>mfw Sigma is retarded despite being a 67 year old super genius
>mfw Eric added nothing to the plot
>mfw no Kyle
>mfw Radical-6 release was just some stupid bitch being petty
>mfw C O M P L E X M O T I V E S
>mfw Mira just chills and hangs out with everyone in the true end even though she's a fucking psycho who randomly kills everyone in half of the other endings
>mfw we never get to see an epilogue and just get a text dump
>mfw english voice actors
>mfw YOU ARE ZERO
>mfw MIND HACK
>mfw moral dilemma about shifting even though it's done 10000 times beforehand
>mfw 'fanatic'
>mfw Snape kills Dumbledore
>>345239827
Aside from all the flaws in the story, Carlos really was a good character, along with Q.
He managed to ride Akane too, while Junpei doesn't and gets smacked on the head instead, losing Akane just because her keikaku didn't go as planned.
Eric can be a drag but is very well written too.
Diana has "that" perpetual shock face. Its like its always ready for sticky white stuff.
Its strange how the returning 999 and VLR cast didn't end up on a higher tier for me. In fact aside from Junpei, Nyakane and Sigma weren't so good this time. I can't place Edgepei as high tier as siscon Carlos. Phi is lovely as always but looking back at all the teams scenes, she has the least amount of them.
>>345242180
Junpei is different because the team already has a blond version of him and apparently they didn't want to have two characters acting the same but Akane is pretty much the same she was in 999 for most of the game except maybe in 2 fragments.
>>345242695
Junpei and Akane should have had an argument where he drags out her shit and she stops pretending to be the same Akane from 999 and actually acts like the cold, calculating person she supposedly is.
>>345242438
Sigma was fine. They actually characterized him very well considering he's a lonely old man that's been locked in a base on the moon for 45 years. VLR makes it pretty clear that he's just doing what Akane told him he had to do so I never expected him to be particularly wise about what was going on.
Unfortunately, ZTD pretty much invalidates all of VLR since there is literally no reason that future Sigma and future Phi had to be the ones in the decision game; they don't actually accomplish anything that regular Sigma and Phi wouldn't have been able to do. They also never use their ability to shift until the end - the honing of which was the entire conceit of VLR.
>>345242695
>Akane is pretty much the same she was in 999 for most of the game except maybe in 2 fragments
>>345242695
>blond version of him
He wishes. Carlos is what child Junpei aspired to be, but couldn't.
>>345237601
VLR Sigma was GOAT
Why isn't Phi real
Why is life so unfair guys
>>345243058
Would have been cool and I was actually hoping to get the cold Akane that the very same description of her in the official page has.
>>345243075
Please prove me wrong.
>>345243257
Yeah, on the last thread people were saying that ZTD Sigma>VLR Sigma and I still don't get what they were thinking...
>>345243069
The good end was found in part by diana getting morphogenetic powers, which was presumably due to sigma and phi being within her vicinity.
Junpei should have been Zero.
Why? I don't know.
But that's what I want.
>>345243741
>according to my ass
I guess you can sort of justify it if you make shit up. Still no reason it had to be VLR Phi and Sigma
>>345244064
VLR establishes that you can use espers as amplifiers to power someone else up. That's pretty much what happened with diana, and she needed to know about her relationship with Phi/Sigma, as well as what was going on the other side of the yellow door, in order to hit true end.
>>345243704
I think ZTD Sigma is ok and shit at the same time
The part where they show him to be a lonely old man was great
At the same time I was excited to see him be the fucking mastermind that he was in VLR, and ZTD Sigma was nowhere near that
But the characterization is a problem that the entire returning cast in ZTD has besides Phi, and Phi is barely even in the game
>>345244551
I came from ZTD believing that it was basically another training exercise to increase people's abilities, same as VLR was for Siggy and Phi.
Basically that they had the potential to SHIFT but just needed the training to do it.
I guess you could say that due to the resonance effect their powers developed faster than normal because there were so many espers around.
Do you think the two Carlos ever hang out? It'd kind of suck if Carlos2 just had to fuck off while Carlos1 enjoyed life. Maybe they could just pretend they were twins and Maria could have two big brothers
>>345245010
>so many espers
>sigma and phi can shift like crazy but never do
>akane can apparently only pluck information but still doesn't
>junpei is useless
>carlos can't do much until he suddenly can
>diana can't do much until she suddenly can
/thread
>>345245217
I highly doubt they hung out considering that Carlos 2 isthe fanatic
>>345245314
Does anyone seriously believe this
>>345244021
>Old Junpei at the end of VLR finds the transporter
>Transports back to the facility, takes the role of Zero
>Game is built to trap every Esper, and slowly destroy the morphogenetic field
>Ends with R6 being released anyway
>>345245397
YesNo
>>345244551
Nowhere in the game do they say this, and Diana is a SHIFTer anyways so that's not even relevant. You're just making shit up.
>>345245010
All this training is fucking useless though. Junpei "trains" to access the morphogenetic fields in 999, and NEVER uses in in ZTD. Sigma and Phi "train" to SHIFT in VLR, and NEVER use it in ZTD until the very end of the game (and they would have been able to SHIFT there anyways because of an asspull). And apparently, Akane should shift in VLR but doesn't do it for some reason.
>>345245595
Replay VLR than you retard, akane literally correlated clover to that of an amplifier for phi and sigma.
>>345245709
Yes but it was stated by clover herself to be at the cost of her not being able to use her own esper abilities because they were absorbed into the stronger esper's wavelengths
Are you sure you're not the retard here anon
>>345245217
Who gets to keep the name Carlos and who has to think of a different one?
Who gets tobang Maria?
>>345245256
>akane can apparently only pluck information but still doesn't
So are there different levels of esper powers?
There's people who can basically send and receive information from eachother through the field, such as Clover and Light.
Then there's Akane who can just look at all the timelines.
Then now there's SHIFTers and MIND HACC
like what even is the morphogenetic field at this point
>>345245217
That plot hole is sad and amusing at the same time.
It's clear that the two never meet (absent from epilogue), and it'd create problems if the two tried to share a life. If Carlos 2 tried to live elsewhere under the same identity, he'd probably be seen as a fraud. He'd have to go elsewhere, start a new life in the underground.
Carlos 2 is punished Carlos.
>play ZTD right after VLR
>game is shit
>play ZTD after not playing VLR for years
>game is tolerable
>was glad zero escape threads would be back with ztd
>binged ztd in 2 days
>still really enjoyed it despite some of the loose ends particularly kyle
>zero escape threads have turned into nothing but bitter shitposting circlejerks
>>345245709
Clover can't shift; Diana can.
>>345244020
So is this a mind hack?
>>345246949
Life is simply unfair
I want to believe he came back for it and carried it out with him when everyone left after the end of VLR.
We can surely ALL agree that Sigma, Phi, Seven, K, and Carlos were the best characters in the series, right?
>>345247269
>Carlos
>good
You only think he was good because he was the best one in the mire of ZTD's terrible characters
In reality he's just shit
>>345245864
Fair enough, it's harder to say with diana than it is carlos I guess. Carlos got innate shifting powers from just being a firefighter, I don't think the game really explains why diana would have the aptitude for it.
>>345247269
Why Carlos?
The others are though.
>>345247269
You forgot Snake
>>345247269
Amen.Even my tier list agrees
>>345247495
>Carlos got innate shifting powers
>got innate powers
that's not how the word innate works actually
>>345246949
People still like it
ZTD just could have been so much more, it could have completely smashed the first two games in comparison
Instead it just didn't really do a whole lot with all of that potential and ended up being the low point of the series
>>345247612
Wait, did we just get Mass Effect 3-ed?
>>345247549
Sure it does. All carlos was doing to get those powers was his job.
>>345247269
Pretty good. I also liked Tenmyouji, Sean, and Luna, if you add them then those are all my favorites. Looking back on it, Seven was my favorite in 999 but I don't remember anything particularly memorable about him besides being the game's Gumshoe.
>>345247529
>Hating on Largomorph
Wew lad
>>345247680
It wasn't that fucking bad.
>>345247697
no you don't understand
if a quality of an object is innate, it means that quality was bestowed upon the object when it was created, so carlos always had the potential to shift since he was conceived, as did maria
like everyone else, he can simply shift "because"
>>345247680
me3's ending was so critically panned they had to make a free dlc to fix the ending to appease their consumers
>>345245217
Please explain the 2 Carlos thing. What timeline is this
>>345247269
>no Snake
>noNewscaster
otherwise, yeah
>>345247913
While this is true I don't feel like the DLC did anything noteworthy.
>>345247269
Snake is up there too
I think Akane could have been fantastic too after VLR if they didn't completely fuck her up in ZTD
>>345247680
Mass Effect 3 had run-off potential from the previous two that is also managed to fail to deliver on, so that's way worse. At least 999 isn't any worse for what ZTD has done and VLR is only a bit, with the stuff introduced towards the end.
>>345247680
It wasn't that bad, just really disappointing
So who was the best Zero, /v/?
My vote actually does go to Delta.
>>345248412
How can you actually believe this?
>>345248505
>he was born a shitter
>>345248505
Mostly because the other Zeros didn't really do anything in their games except set up the games. Aside from Sigma's message in the captain's office they were pretty much absent. Delta actually participated and interupted what was happening at several instances and influenced what was going on.
>>345248412
Sigma
I liked how Delta just outwitted the entire cast until the very end, but a lot about his character just felt off
Like his reveal, his age, his fucking eyes and his ability
I didn't really mind his complex motives crap, and I don't really understand why people shit on it beyond it being a meme
>>345247942
When Carlos used the teleporter to go back, the world would now have 2 Carlos
>>345248717
How could you give your sister the old fruit salad Eric? Your own flesh and blood!
>>345248412
I honestly don't know. In terms of imagining them setting everything up behind the scenes then maybe Delta even though I found his explanation at the end really unsatisfying. I can just imagine him staying up late working on photoshop to design the cute Zero poster in the Pod Room, browsing ebay to bid on hydrofluoric acid and thinking "boy I can't wait to get sprayed with this in one timeline", perusing the selection of big pressable buttons, making the final adjustments on his army of robo-children, stumbling on dismembered Junpei and deciding to use it to spice up the puzzles, etc.
>>345247253
While this has been raised, there's one glaring question that even the gold files didn't clear up. Just what are the "grandpa videos"? They've been stated not to be pornographic and/or anything featuring grandpas, but are inappropriate for children. What does that make them?
>>345247529
Shit: the taste
So how did the 3DS version end up running? I have the vita version it felt like throughout the entire game I was getting slowdown.
>>345247529
>no blind, brilliant, and bulletproof tier just for snake
shit taste desu
>>345249928
Quite a bit of slowdown. Still playable.
>>345249928
People said there was slowdown but I did 3DS and didn't have trouble with it. It definitely has a lower framerate than pc but I think it actually effectively masks how bad the animation is. The textures look like garbage though.
>>345249928
Did not notice any slowdown, but god were the textures absolute fucking shit. The patch on Sigma's shirt was just a giant fucking blur. I don't remember VLR being this bad.
Was thinking about getting the Steam version, but after finishing the game...nah, I'm good.
>>345227780
>Eric: I'M GONNA SHOOT YOU BECAUSE YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE KILLED MIRA
>Q: NO I DIDN'T
>Eric: WHO WAS IT THEN?
>Q: IT WAS Q!
>Eric: ...
>Eric: That's clearly impossible!
>shoots him
This confused the fuck out of me until I found out why
Also
>Three-way standoff
>type "Q"
>game tells you to put in Q's real name
>type "Sean" or "Me" or "Myself"
>game tells you that you can't commit suicide
>>345250115
The tier he is in is for characters that were cucked out of screentime, development, and/or importance...such as being "dead" for most of the game. I actually do love snake.
>>345250505
>game tells you to put in Q's real name
This is kind of inconsistent because Sean doesn't know Q's real name until Q-End.
>>345237995
VLR's models were really awkward-looking, especially when not in motion. I can remember one scene in particular with Quark and a scalpel that looked fucking ridiculous.
>>345250505
I did the three-way standoff Delta end before anything else Delta related
Didn't know what the fuck was going on
>>345250505
Imagine my confusion when my dumb ass hadn't figured out the fourth member thing yet, knew about Delta and had assumed he was Zero, and typed in Delta at that part. I was absolutely beyond confused as to what the fuck was going on.
I'm not necessarily defending or agreeing with Uchikoshi on the story/ending, but I'm giving my 2 cents on why I think it turned out this way.
Stories change over time. I made a story-based game inRPG Makerand I had an idea for a sequel (because the game was more of a prologue). As I started writing the sequel, I came up with new ideas and plot points, and discarded some of the old ones. But there were parts in the first game that would make plot points of the second game not make sense. So I've been trying to find ways around that.
That could be what happened with Uchi. He probably had ZTD in his head during VLR, but when ZTD was greenlit and he actually started writing the script, he came up with different ideas.
That's just how writing is sometimes. As you write, ideas change. Maybe a new plot point he thought of conflicted with Kyle being there, etc. That's just my opinion.
>>345250505
>type "Sean" or "Me" or "Myself"
>game tells you that you can't commit suicide
Sean just gives you "Error".
>>345250505
>type in Gab
>"How could a dog do it?"
Laughed.
>>345250828
Oh shit, I hadn't thought of that. What the fuck? How did he know Delta's name then? Was it because his Quantum Computer self pulled the information from another timeline?
>literally a movie game
Voice acting was a mistake for this game. I've been playing for an hour and haven't gotten any puzzles yet.
>>345237260
That kick was so hilariously over the top. It was like something out of Monty Python.
>>345251171
I wanted the dog to be more important
>>345250828
Oh fuck. Good point.
C'mon Uchi you're better than this.
>>345251456
Yeah, the ratio of novel sections to puzzles in ZTD was way off, at least compared to the first two games. And the puzzles in this one were insanely fucking easy.
>>345251489
I feel like he was supposed to be a red herring.
>>345229823
It kind of breaks the illusion to find out that some of the stuff is scripted. I didn't know that you always get the coin toss right on your first try no matter what, and thought I had just chosen the patrician answer and felt good about it. Same with the three dice, I thought it actually was really rare to get them all to 1 and felt pretty much the way Junpei did about it afterwards, before finding out that it's just always that result on the third try.
>>345251489
>the ending where Delta shoots Gab for no reason
COMPLEX
MOTIVES
>>345250828
I thought it was a meta selection, you pick a person to shoot and Sean shoots them, it doesn't mean he's thinking "this is who" in his head.
>>345251874
But he even says "You, Delta!"
>>345251709
I can understand the coin one, as that's 50:50. But did you really think you'd get three one's that easily?
>>345251259
>>345251509
>>345251874
Nah, it's just to prevent the player from sequence breaking (or spoiling the "reveal" depending on how you look at it). By that point you've played through the C-team sequence with Carlos and Akane, where you can input "Carlos" to commit suicide. So it's pretty likely that the player tries to input "Q" at the three-way standoff just to see what happens. They kind of wrote themselves into a corner; can't say "you can't commit suicide", since Sean isn't Q; but they can't just have you shoot Q because that would ruin the twist in Q-End. So they just have a cheeky input to make sure that you've seen either Q-End2 or D-End first.
>>345251860
I fucking loved that
>>345251953
Never mind, that was during the Zero reveal.
>>345251953
Does he? I don't remember that. Maybe he really was bullshitting them all that time.
Eric holding everyone up with the gun had to be one of the most annoying things I've ever fucking seen. His blind adoration of Mira simply because of tits was beyond stupid.
>>345251981
It's supposed to be all about chance. If it had been on the first or maybe even the second try then I would have thought something was up, but it would still have been possible if it had been based on chance as I thought it was. I thought the three 1's ending wasn't actually important to the plot and that it was some rare ending for people with either luck or enough patience to go back and do it over and over.
>>345252401
It wasn't tits, he sensed his mom's heart energy or whatever the fuck
He wants to fuck his mom
>>345252401
To be fair, those are some great tits
>>345252590
Freud pls go
>>345249867
Gravure maybe?
>>345252738
>say you want to fuck your mom
>Freud was right!
>say you don't want to fuck your mom
>repressed Oedipus complex
>Freud was right!
>people refer to him as an intellectual
>these people also think ZTD>VLR>999
>>345253043
Is there anyone who genuinely believes ZTD is the best? I don't dislike the game nearly as much as most people here and honestly quite enjoyed it, but it's clearly the low point in the series.
>>345227447
That bitch. I don't even have to know the context.
i wanted to cuck junpei as carlos.
>game spoils the shit out of VLR
>game never ever tells you that Akane is Zero in 999 for some reason, the dialog always just skirts around it
I never got this.
>>345253779
999 is getting a remaster soon
and you don't NEED to know she's zero for the plot, but you do neeed to know VLR stuff
>>345252401
I dunno, Eric piggybacking on a small child through the Pod Room, creaming himself at the hammer and then the shotgun, and chasing Sean around like a slasher movie villain was pretty fun for me. I might be one of the few who like Q team the most.
>>345253779
How do you think Carlos would react had he known Akane was a prior Zero? It makes sense that Junpei and her kept it a secret.
>>345253779
I always thought the reason was that if they told Carlos he would misunderstand her complex motives
>>345253316
While I don't think it was the best (that'd be VLR for me) but I certainly enjoyed it more than 999.
Someone in another said it best, even though 999 may have the least flaws it's also the least interesting compared to the others.
>>345239827
Reminder that he isn't white. His name is Carlos.
Are there any games with a similar feeling to them to 999? I feel that VLR and ZTD are more similar to each other than either of them is to 999 and it was my favourite in the series.
>>345254110
Curious name choice, too. Couldn't have picked something less ethnically sounding? Or hell, made him Spanish?
>>345253856
>999 is getting a remaster soon
See, this kind of worries me since it's supposedly coming to PC. I don't want to give anything away, but there's a REALLY IMPORTANT THEMATIC PURPOSE to having two screens throughout the entire game MASSIVE SPOILEReverything you see and read on the TOP screen is from junpei's perspective/voice, and everything on the BOTTOM is from akane's perspective/voice, (which gives you a lot of "holy shit" moments when you replay the game with this knowledge after getting the true ending), and the final puzzle is also built around doing a certain thing with your DS.
I'm kinda concerned how these mechanics are going to be implemented in the remake. I don't see how they can do it while keeping the game's thematic purpose.
>>345254442
anon, everyone here has played 999, and the iOS post already came out, I think they just put the two types of text boxes differently and used flashes to change
>>345254604
>>345254442
also, I thinkthe narration will be voiceless until the twist, when akane's VA will start narrating
>>345254442
Aside from the final puzzle which I don't have an answer to, for the bit about perspectives I imagine they're just going to do the thing they did in VLR for vita where unvoiced exposition is done on a black screen superimposed over everything else.
>>345250828M I N D H A C K
>>345254442
It doesn't necessarily need two screens. I don't get why people think it does. It was pretty much implied (and Uchikoshi mentioned it) that Akane was basically looking through Junpei's eyes, which is why the image on the top and bottom screens are identical. The narration could just cover the screen.
The only problems would be the ship at the beginning. But you could just say that Akane connected with Junpei right after that moment.
Every Diana decision
>Sigma: Just do it!
>Phi: No, don't do it!
>>345255225
Sigma and Phi always seem to be at some sort of odds with each other.
>"Who killed X?"
>Type X
>"The dead cannot kill!'
Every goddamn time
>>345255225
>Sigma: Press the button!
I didn't want to press the button first time round, but Sigma egging me on made me do it. I got to 5 secs before I caved
>>345255372
Seems like a typicalfather-daughter relationship.
>>345253872
No, i loved Q team. The biggest flaw with ZTD is that it needs to continue the Zero Escape story. Because of this, Akane, Sigma, Phi, generally have to be part of this. When you have fucking half the cast re-used, it kind of overshadows the newer characters.
>>345255441
I thought it was pretty dumb and uncharacteristic of Sigma, considering it's his older self that should know better about the types of traps and what not.
Plus, the door was already fucking open. Literally no reason to not just walk away and ignore it.
>>345255225
>>345255441
>see blue "Do Not Press This Button!" button for the first time
>"It might be a trap by Zero. Press it, Diana!"
>see yellow Decontamination button for the first time
>"Don't press it, it's clearly suspect."
Fucking hell, Sigma.
>>345255225
i laughed out loud like a retard when sigma was screaming at her in blue button situation
>group is closed in recreation room, they could just relax and think it throughly
>literally no reason at all to rush anything
>DOOO ITTTTTTTT
>camera shake with button close-up
it had to be on purpose
>>345254442
To be fair, VLR had pretty much a similar twist.The top screen is your human eye. The bottom screen is your robotic one.. I never played it on the Vita, but i assume most people got it?
>>345255225
Someone photoshop Sigma onto Shia LaBeouf
>sigma old self in young body has serious voice, talks serious shit
>and still throws cat puns in certain situations
>>345251489
>I'll tell you something good. No wait... Two things. First look behind the bar counter...
>Dead Gab
What the fuck is [good] about that for any of the participants or Delta?
>>345252604
Probably the only good parts to look at out of any of the character models
>>345253316
Most review sites pedestal it above the other games. People who haven't played 999 or VLR in a long time also. Honestly made me think that there was some hidden extension to the game that reviewers were informed about but regular players still couldn't find. At least for a day or two, then I gave up all hope.
>>345256440
Either
Gab shifted to payoff 2
or
The team didn't have to worry about leaving Gab behind when they made their choice.
Hey, /v/. I know there is virtually no evidence for it, but who is most likely to be the religious fanatic? A stranger, or...?
>>345256821
A week or so before release, I read that a review or two said that there's an unlockable, several hour long subplot. With the way it was worded, it was almost like it was optional and I was so hyped up for it. I had totally misunderstood this and was even more disappointed on top of everything else.
>>345255658
But they didn't do anything significant with the new characters to being with.
VLR at least made the newcomers actually interesting, compelling, fun, and important to the plot.
>>345257230
Carlos 2.
>>345257230
Any serious Zero Escape fan
>>345257521
Yeah, I remember reading a review that mentioned something like a sidequest. Either Kotaku or Dtoid, might need to reread those. But what in the hell in the game would be considered optional that wouldn't be required for the true ending?
>>345257521
I assume they were talking about COMPLEX Babby Timeline end?
>>345257230
>you can't even go to the time police
>>345227447
>tfw playing on the 3DS
Never again. When 999 gets ported to Vita, just gonna transfer the collection over to that.
How did they fuck it up so bad? I feel like its not even meant for the 3DS anymore. Like some of the gameplay is actually ruining the experience with pixel hunts and some sound clips sounding so compressed, I can't even hear what some people are saying. What the flying fuck.
>>345231841
I got a chuckle out of this one. But yeah, VLR had the best flavor text in my opinion.
>>345231841
I had plenty thus far. The only unfunny one is Junpei, he's awkwardly morbid.
>>345257230
Akane wearing Free The Soul robes is what I thought instantly myself. Delta even loaded her up with the robe and the suggestion to go to his weird meeting.
>>345256639
Phi got great legs
Also Akane got a great ass considering she's supposed to be japanese
>>345257856
VLR was made for the 3DS that's why it was an okay version, it was then easily ported to Vita.
ZTD was made with Vita/PC in mind and then downported to the 3DS.
>>345258216
VLR wasn't awful minus the crashes and the save deletion bug. It still had issues, however, despite being the "base" version. ZE3 is just unacceptable quality imo, the hardware just doesn't support the game properly and the game has too much NEEDED detail for that crappy screen to be viable. I was going nuts during some of the screen searches.
>>345244020
>implying Carlos wouldn't be giving Junpei a high-five for a job well done
>>345258402
>But Gab is watching...
>>345258375
Any room in particular? I had troubles with the Core Room and starting the furnace up. Goddamn that was infuriating.
>>345258535
>Gab is Kyle and he's actually a voyeur
>>345258602
Lately? The relaxation room (I forget the name, the one where you change the walls. Control was also an issue, it was just so blurry and awkward, I had to kinda squint to make something out of all the small blocks.
I returned the game today and got my money back. Gonna buy it again once my Vita comes in because I ended up trying it on my friends and wondering why he wasnt have the same issues as me. He thought I was retarded.
>>345258602
Control room
Noticing the pink SW on the monitor is near impossible
And you can't read for shit the notes on healing room, so you have to memorize the position when they start to play.
>>345251860
I thought Delta shot gab because Gab was just going to be included in the explosion anyway. Sort of a way to put the dog out of its misery.
>>345257559
>i liked some of the new characters more than all of the returning ones
>mfw the game never really went anywhere with them
>>345245217
They were all executed, though. I mean, Carlos from the future teleports 10 months and lives elsewhere while the real Carlos does his normal stuff. The real Carlos gets into Dcom with Akane and Junpei, and they all do their stuff until C-Team gets executed. Future Carlos waits for Akane and Junpei to teleport after recharge and busts his way in to "save" them.
The true ending just takes place after the coin flip and there's only one Carlos.
Why didn't Delta just keep making copies of himself backwards in time over and over again?
Any news on the purposed VLR Steam port?
>>345259089
VLR is getting a port too? Is 999 also going to get one after?
>>345258983
What happens if I choose B and while going through the loop-da-loop the train flies off and crushes the person tied to track A?
>>345258983
He teleported to before any split, he has to exist in all the game's timelines
>>345259189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUeWk7XtdFw
>>345259089
I doubt we will hear anything on the 999 or VLR port for a while since it was just announced.
>>345259234
Life is simply unfair.
>>345252590
>>345252738
>saw his mother in mira
>saw his brother in sean
>took on the role of his father without realizing it
Shit's fucked, man.
>>345259234
LIFE IS SIMPLYERIC
>>345259239
Shit, good point.
Maybe Delta sticks around to murder Clone!Carlos off-screen, assuming he doesn't get killed by the real Carlos.
>>345258983
>mfw i always pick the totally sick loop-da-loop first because i know in some timeline i didn't so it's alright
>>345258983
>The true ending just takes place after the coin flip and there's only one Carlos.
>sigma enacts a decades spanning plan where he puts everyone's lives on the line to learn to jump and go back to the past to save the world
>one coin flip invalidates everything and everyone is fine
>>345251479
She did the same kick in VLR.
>>345258008
>grumpy jumpy
>unfunny
you take that back
>>345229331
Oh definitely. It weirded me out, babies aren't supposed to look like that. They look like the Dreamcast's Seaman. Horrifying.
>>345259512
Actually after the coinflip, while they won't have to worry about Radical-6 and 6 billion lives dying, they now have to find they terrorist before the terrorist kills 8 billion.
>>345259559
I get what they were trying to do with the kick. Point is that in VLRthey were on the moonwhere in ZTD they aren't. IDK.
>>345251489
Gab's just a sex pest for Sigma's 12 inches.
>>345259596
His jokes just suck, they made Junpei so weird and unlikable. Oddly enough, I really like group D a lot. I thought Diana would be derpy, but her VA is really nice.
>>345257876
That was a pretty smart joke, yeah.
>>345259837
That nipple joke was pretty funny though. Akane´s face was hilarious.
>>345259742
It's 18 inches.
>>345251709
Even the third try was too many for me. I gave up after two and went on to other branches until I ran out of paths to take. I figured I would gain some ability that let me influence probability more directly but when I got stuck with no new paths open I went back. I had a similar issue with shooting Sigma. Diana shot five blanks before landing a live slug. I'm pretty sure that one is completely random.
>>345238620
I played VLR and ZTD in Japanese and the translation is generally accurate in terms of content (not always in context, but that's a different thing). I don't know about VLR but ZTD was basically made from the ground up with the western fans in mind.
if sigma's dick can become a Σ, can delta's dick become a Δ?
>>345260038
How the hell did he even manage to have sex in the input pod if he´s THAT well-endowed? He must have fucking impaled Diana.That was actually a really sad end with them starving to death.
>>345259393
The thing is that Carlos still is a fully functioning Carlos. He has SHIFTing abilities and his, uh, esper instincts. While he's probably killed in some timelines, in others he probably manages to get away from Delta.
Maybe I'm getting something wrong here.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS
THIS IS A GENERAL AT THIS POINT
>>345260338
Carlos 2*
>>345245437
J U S T
U
S
T
>>345260362
The game came out recently. Having a designated shitposting thread is better than flooding the board with it.
>>345260362
Filter the threads out.
>>345260313
Delta can alter his penis length and shape through his hidden ability:dick hacking
>>345260463
I love how fucking brutal Akane gets whenever Junpei gets killed. First she tries to chainsaw Carlos, then she bludgeons him to death after the AB game.
>>345260313
Only if he pinches the tip.
>>345260313
More importantly, can Phi's dick become a Φ?
>>345260647
The fire extinguisher bludgeoning just seemed silly and out of place to me for some reason. I'm not sure whether it was because of the writing or animations or some combination of both, but I just couldn't take it seriously.
>>345261341
I think it was the animation+sounds. If it was a text segment in 999 it would have been pretty intense.
>>345260647
>she kills fireman with fire extinguisher
half funny, half sadalso arousing
>Uchikoshi could've tied thing together using Lord Gordain/All-Ice/Left/Snake/Free the Soul meme-magic
>instead we get aliens and mind hacks
>>345260362
>MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT A GAME OTHER THAN SMASH BROS
>>345261676
COMPLEX WRITING
>>345253779
Akane literally locked up and murdered people, you don't go around telling people that, no matter how handsome the firefighter is.
>>345261676
I'm not sure what is more disappointing.
Aliens
or
Mind Hacks
>>345254110
You do realize that Spanish is originally a white people language, right?
Help me with the timeline
>young Sigma goes to the future 25th 2028
>Old Sigma is pushed into his body
>young Sigma goes to 13th April 2029 at the end of VLR
>Old Sigma stayed in the young body until then and explained to Akane what to do
right?
>>345261852
Yeah, not even Junpei wanted to tell Carlos that. And Jumpy was PRETTY pissed off at Akane in the start of ZTD.
So, the mind hacks explain Sean not understanding why he picked certain choices, since Delta actually was present, but what explains Carlos and Diana being controlled?
>>345262037
Nope, it's
>young Sigma goes to Future Sigma's body in the future
>Old Sigma goes into Delta's body in the past
>Kyle goes into Young Sigma's body in the past
At the end of ZTD
>all return to their own bodies
>>345245256
>>sigma and phi can shift like crazy but never do
They jumped to opposite timelines in the beginning at least
Anybody got a webum request? Keep in mind I'm limited to what I can find on youtubesince I played on 3DSand it has to be under 3MB.
>>345262298
he can mind hack through cameras too
even through cameras looking to another timeline
>>345262298
Nah, Sean couldn´t get mindhacked because he´s a robot. I dunno how Delta reached Carlos and Diana with his mindhacku though.
>>345262298
Sean is the only character Delta can't mind hack since he doesn't have a human brain I think. Carlos and Diana got mind hacked the regular way, Delta can see everything through his glasses.
>>345253779
That would just spoil the main plot point to 999 so I don't think they would do that in any case. I don't think Sigma was revealed to be Zero in VLR either.
Anyway, the events of 999 aren't something you would go around telling strangers. They'd suspect the shit out of you.
>>345260338
Delta has the ability to read minds. He'd probably assassinate Carlos's clone once he reaches the complex.
>>345262628
>>345262691
He has a blue orb when shifting, he can probably be mindhacked too
>>345262776
For good fucking reason. Akane murdered several people. I still don´t quite understand how Junpei still wanted to marry her after everything that happened in 999.
Did the shelter really only have food for ten months? That pantry looked stacked as fuck.
Why didn't Delta rig the door to open after baby him got faxed, anyway? Seems like a dick move to starve those babies when he didn't have to.
Why is Carlos so well liked in here?
I found him extremely boring desuEric best chatacer
>>345262905
I'm reasonably sure he can't.The conversation they have about Sean's "soul" is the only moment I can recall where Delta is momentarily confused, which is because it's the only time he's not sure what the other person is talking about.
>>345252401
I definitely hated Eric the most. He was either a huge baby or a huge threat, and rarely entertaining. It made me want K back.
>>345257230
I'm still fucking confused regarding VLR's ending. Is the player an actual character in the game, or was that a cheeky nod to the player but it turned out to be someone else?
I like the idea that the Religious Fanatic is the player. Considering we seem to have absolute control over timelines and can influence people, maybe.
If there's another game I'm kinda hoping we play as a single character and we're led to believe they're the religious fanatic, but it turns out to be US.
>>345262868
Yeah, but isn't Delta on the inside of the facility?
>>345263178
Pantry wasn´t accessible to them i think. It was a C-team room and probably locked. Unlike VLR the other teams rooms don´t unlock after the game because it would give the Ward secret away.
>>345260185
There was a lot of talk about the random chance events in the games, but with a scripted three 1s ending and coin toss, is the Russian roulette the only actually percentage based event?
>>345256440
It's a shitty overly literal translation, "good" in that Japanese phrase means something more like interesting
>>345263196
>Eric best "chatacer"
>>345256864
BUT GAB DIES ANYWAY
THE DETONATOR WAS ALREADY ACTIVATED
>>345263017
Because despite people acting as if ZE is more tailored for westerners is still a japanese game at its core
>muh childhood friend I didn't see for years, now I will chase her and ask to marry me for no reason at all
without counting the VLR timeline where he spends 45 years looking for her just to realizie "wow, she changed!"
>>345263314
we will never know
>>345263196
His time hopping shenanigans were one of the funniest things in the game, gave us a bunch of good scenes, I thought he was boring for most of it though.Eric is under-rated.
>>345263536
Only his backstory was interesting. His behaviour was annoying as shit and extremely childish/dumb. Mira was also really bland outside of her backstory.
how would a dog do it though... ?
>>345259837
>His jokes just suck
Let's be fair, most of his jokes in 999 were also terribad. The charm came from how stupid they were (see: ladders)
>>345263393
>Dying of starvation with a storehouse of food like ten feet away
But other times, they can just bust the wall with like a chair or something, then it bugs out and they can go in any room they want. You telling me they never even tried hitting the walls for ten months?
>>345263892
Apparently not, they were too busy banging.
>>345263314
Player = blick winkel.
>>345263773
True, she does have a nice backstory
>>345263773
The childish/dumb behavior is exactly why I liked him.
>>345264156
Yeah, she´s a major semen demon. Still would recommend keeping at least a couple miles of distance from her.
Of all things they could have possibly called it, why mind hack? Was it just a bad translation from Japanese or something?
>>345260306
I noticed frequently during the first 2/3 while playing VLR in Japanese that the character's spoken lines didn't match up with the translated text. They seemed to smarten up after awhile though.
>>345263017
This has been bothering me - wasn't it stated that Akane didn't have feelings for Junpei at all and she was a calculating mastermind who was only interested in preventing the tests? I'm assuming that's been retconned now but that always made Junpei more tragic and interesting to me, he was living with an unrequited love. And then ZTD happens and Akane is just a normal girl. Whatever I guess.
OK GUYS REAL QUESTION.
Best Semen Demon in the franchise.
Lotus, Alice, or Mira?
>fuck
>get twins
>make a copy of both
>let the original babies starve to death
life is simply unfair
>>345264615
Lotus
>>345264615
2/3 of them were complete shit so I'll go with the one thay started off as shit but turned into a decently likeable character, Lotus.
>>345264491
It was clear in VLR she had real feelings for him, she just didn't think they could be together because of her true nature. That's why ZTD was such a letdown in comparison, they practically threw her "nature" out the window.
>>345259559
But wasn't the kick only possible in VLR because she "knew" they were on the moon. What's the explanation in this game?
>>345264615
Lotus for sure, I like her character too
>>345264504
Where did Eric get that tiny Sean figurine
>>345264407
It sounds cooler to Japanese ears. Seeing as how the game was basically built for the west, it's a pretty glaring oversight in my opinion.
>>345264491
I don't think so? I think it was always that she was just the sort of person who puts the bigger picture ahead of herself. Feel free to prove me wrong if there's a line I'm forgetting.
>>345264491
Where was that stated? Akane always had feelings for Junpei, even in VLR some things hinted at her still having feelings for him. And in 999 she did use him but only to save her own life via Sudoku. If she didn´t save herself in the past she would probably die/disappear due to time paradox.
>there are people unironically in this timeline who rank 999 over VLR
I don't get you people
>>345264491
>wasn't it stated that Akane didn't have feelings for Junpei at all and she was a calculating mastermind who was only interested in preventing the tests?
From what I remember she just realized that focusing on stopping the world from going to shit was more important then her love life, so VLR Junpei got shafted
ZTD Akane was just off like every other character
>>345237248
Nah. That's bullshit. Occam's razor would show that Dio waas just sent as a phiranna to ensure the team could be sent bake to the Decision game and Brother could be born
A really idiotic thought just occurred to me. I would have preferred it if Maria was actually a cat (the one he took to prom) and Carlos has been hallucinating the whole time.
>He brought his cat to prom
>>345265029
Could be.
>>345264769
It was powered by her rage at discovering she had the shittiest older brother of all time
>>345264615
Lotus is in my Top 10 ZE characters so her obviously
So who made the brooch
>>345244701
He also acted extremely childish and rash in every situation. He was completely emotional, which goes against what we learned about the super genius calculating TERMITES sigma.
999 = Star Wars
VLR = Empire Strikes Back
ZTD = Return of the Jedi
>>345265092
Are you serious, anon?
>>345265198
I did.
>>345265198
The alien fax machine
>>345265225
ZTD = Phantom Menace
>Fixed
>>345265225
999 = Raiders of the Lost Ark
VLR = Temple of Doom
ZTD = Crystal Skull
last crusade is the original planned game that was dropped after the poor sales of VLR
So did baby Delta MINDHACK a German scientist into sending a copy of Phi 100 goddamn years into the future? Because that's pretty dumb. What kind of retarded experiment is that?
>w-w-w-why isn't akane acting like she did in VLR!?!?!
Because it's only one goddamn year after 999. She hasn't had 45 years to suck all the joy out of her as humanity slowly dies off.
Fuck, why can't any of you get that?
>>345265225
999 = Persona 3
VLR = Persona 4
ZTD = Dancing All Night
>>345263892
Too busy ramming his rod into Diana's walls, bro
>>345249129
No the fact that he was in the game for literally no purpose IS the reason he's the worst zero. Tell me how the "tweest!!!!" effects the plot at all.
>>345265682
Doubt a baby would have that sort of cognitive skills to understand what he was doing or even use mindhack. The scientist probably did it by himself, for what reason we´ll never know.
>>345265724
>this mastermind that planned the previous Nonary Game and is the leader of a secret organization acts like retarded child
>this is fine! you just' don't GET IT
>>345264615
Lotus character-wise, Alice appearance-wise. Fuck I'd fill that brown sugar goddess up until my spine fractured.
>>345264615
Lotus.
Hot hacker bitch who wasn't a psycho, took care of her children, and didn't have ice in her veins.
>>345265225
999 = Batman Begins
VLR = TDK
ZTD = TDKR, only popoular because of memes
>>345265759
NO, FUCK YOU.
DAN had amazing tracks and even if the gameplay was abysmal for a rhythm game the QUALITY was amazing.
ZTD had awful quality and writing
i love how all of these games have lower and lower quality assets (or none) towards the endings. it's like they didn't think about them until the last moment, or just ran out of dosh first.
>>345265927
I think she was acting childish because she was around Junpei again after being separated for a year.
>>345227825
Honestly, if they were static they would be fine. It's the halfassed "animations" that make it look bad.
>>345266126
Mira literally looks like a fucking alien
>VLR comes out
>people don't like it, think it's significantly worse than 999
>ZTD comes out
>suddenly VLR is great and actually the best game in the series
>>345266179
This. Or even if they did the the kind of half animation that VLR did into a still frame would have been fine. The movements in the game are just fucking awkward.
>>345266126
if they had a lower budget why did they go for a full animated and cinematic game instead of a more VN style with 3d models?
>VN don't sell
it's a meme, there are a lot of successful VN/kinda game in the west
>>345264615
Alice or Mira, Lotus is used goods
Probably Alice though, since Mira is crazy
>>345229331
Didn´t look as bad Fallout 4´s baby though. That thing was an abomination.
>>345264491
What are you talking about. Akane always had a crush on Junpei. Problem is that she always puts everyone before herself and Junpei.
>>345251860
Sean would not leave anyone behind. Both Delta and Gab have to die to force him to leave.
>>345266398
>puts everyone before herself
Hahahahahahahahahahah
>>345266126
Yeah the graphic were bad, but at least not as bad as the animations.
>>345266149
really? I think she was acting childish in order to stroke the dick of fans
>>345266398
>everyone
Yeah, no. She put Junpei and most of the other 999 participants in mortal danger (+death in some timelines). She also murdered the crap out of 2 people simply for revenge and let another one get murdered by Ace.
>>345264615
Lotus is the best of the 3. She is just an ok character.
Alice was just a suicidal bitch. She only ever did what was in her best interest.
Mira was an unsympathetic serial killer.
>>345264615
...why limit to those three? ;_;
>>345266278
Some of usmealways thought VLR was the best anon
>>345265927
A secret organization only a year old. Snake and Santa helped her with the first one.
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
>>345262506
None right now, but just wanna say thanks for all your hard work anon. You're a good fella,
>>345264615__Phi
>>345266543
It's true.
>>345266719
Yeah she did with the purpose of saving herself so she could try to prevent the Rad 6 out break and set up the next nonary game. She clearly throws Junpei to the side in the VLR timeline.
>>345265927
It's just an act. Carlos comments on it in the power room
>>345267209
She's pure.
>>345266126DAMN MIRA
>>345262559
He can't mind hack into another timeline. That's why all the C-Team decisions in the timeline he is dead in are random probability based ones.
>>345267209
>Phi will never explain some psuedo science bullshit to you while you stare longingly into her eyes
Why live
>>345266673
I'd love to get a ZTD where Akane is basically VLR Akane, Sigma actually is VLR Zero and Junpei stops being a little bitch
I wanted ZTD to be about a bunch masterminds undoing the 6 gorillion, not whatever we ended up getting
>>345267474
You look better with smiles.
>>345266278
People have been sucking VLR's dick since it came out and I have no idea why.
>>345266981
You aren't alone with that
Liked it better since I played the day it released
>>345267468
Pureparadox
>>345267530
>Phi will never crush your nuts in her vicegrip while reprimanding you in Latin
Life is simply unfair.
>>345267285
>fragmented information/can't see into the future for shit
>she did ALL those things because she knew!
>kills Carlos for no good reason
>throws Junpei aside like an old shoe in VLR, but plays house when there's a terrorist/a bigger threat right around the corner
>>345267780
Fuck that butt. Because of it i couldn´t focus on the story.
>>345266278
people that knew about VN always liked VLR more
people whose 999 was babby first VN liked it more
>>345266319
VLR only had an illustration for young akane since you don't see her until the end
ZTD's endings were quite often static, reused background images. that dining room image was used for at least 3 separate 'homes'
>>345267780
God her shorts are amazing.
What's your guys' favorite new track?
https://youtu.be/GwB3pRnaXWo
>>345267780
Those damn legs and that ass drove me crazy the entire fucking game
>>345267978
I wonder what people will think of ZE4.
>>345267992
This is my favorite escape room track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzNS8Ah139Y
But I like the credits theme a lot too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xh6jxhk8Xo
>>345268127
They won't
Don't worry guys. All of our questions will be answered in Zero Escape 4, the final installment of the series.
>>345268127
ZE didn't do nearly as well as DR does, so I severely doubt that we would get one even if Uchikoshi really wanted to make it
Not that I would want ZE4, he should stop while he's still somewhat ahead
![triangle.mp4_snapshot_29.25_[2016.07.16_20.07.19].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/L83ORkp.jpg "triangle.mp4 snapshot 29.25 [2016.07.16 20.07.19]")
>>345267616
Too bad he couldn't hold his long enough to die gracefully.
>>345267547
This is pretty much what I was expecting for ZTD to turn into once the Decision Game actually began. Before that it would be Sigma/Phi and Akane pretending to be idiots then all of a sudden you flip Zero on his ass and he is forced to adapt on the fly to your shenanigans and it just becomes a vicious trench battle of psychological battling.
BUT TOO BAD WE GOT ZERO TIME DILEMMA
>>345233763
>10 months
Heh.
![triangle.mp4_snapshot_29.20_[2016.07.16_20.06.50].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6PK4mwr.jpg "triangle.mp4 snapshot 29.20 [2016.07.16 20.06.50]")
Just noticed that the portraits change after you complete the study.
>>345269107
how is such a thing even possible?
>>345269107
Just noticed that Phi's had red hair, that's pretty neat.
>>345264615
based only on appearance: Mira
overall: Lotus
>>345268701
It begins.
Can someone tell me what was Carlos' involvement in the snail story?
>>345269598
Zero cryptically tells him that the's the snail, but I never figured out why.
>>345269598
I don't think any. Which raises some questions, what was Carlos' connection to the story? I know Mira was suppose to be a wild card, maybe Eric too. Carlos just seemed to be thrown in.
>>345269598
The snail was the arsonist.
>>345269838
Eric´s mom got murdered because of the snail. Mira was the killer.
>>345244701
Speaking of Sigma being a mastermind, what happens if you tell Eric that he's Zero?
Did Delta help Cradle Pharmaceutical with the creation of the first Nonary Game?
Does that mean he knew that in order for him to be born, he directly planned all the events of ZE trilogy?
>>345270045
He´s gonna fucking shoot, that´s what happens.
>>345269728
It's because by choosing wrong he allows the VLR timeline to happen. He isn't the first snail, but he is the snail that kills six billion
>>345269931
Ah, yes. I got confused and thought it was Akane's mom. I remember now that Akane's mom committed suicide.
>>345269598
Anon, he's the black sheep of the cast...he has nothing to do with anything. Not 999, VLR, or the snail story.
This only makes it more funny how he ends up being called the snail by Zero, and how Akane brings up the parasite that controls snails in order to describe his uncharacteristic decision.
On top of all that, there's a file that suggests that the original snail was actually being controlled by the parasite.
>>345270080
Probably. He's the biggest bottstrap in the history of paradoxes
Its really hard for me to think of the characters in ZTD to be same as the characters from the previous games.
They all look different. Sound different. Shitty animation.
The trilogy should have had a consistent style
>>345270080
No. 999 seems pretty removed from the rest of the series aside from ZTD explaining about Akane's parents. 999 was entirely Akane's doing. At least this is how it seems to me.
>>345265225
999 = Star Trek
VLR = TNG
ZTD = Generations
>>345270334
The first one. Akane created the second one, as a direct result of her involvement in the first, where she almost died. It's possible Delta created that one
>>345270364
ZTD = Enterprise
>>345270364
999 = Great
VLR = Good
ZTD = Shit
>>345270334
I'm not talking about the second Nonary game.
I meant the very first one which was conducted by fts and Cradle. That means Delta should have masterminded all of that in order to make sure the events in 999, VLR and ZTD to occur so he can be born.
I mean if the events of the 999 had not occured then Delta wouldn't have existed.
>>345268701
The FUCK...?! Is this real?
I wonder what the next game will be called. We had the Nonary game, Ambidex game, Decision game.
>>345269598
The park's paths must have been narrow, and young Carlos must have been fat. So the lady went left instead. I didn't think much of it because I can't see a young boy in a park as a snail.
At first I thought it had something to do with parasites since we get files on cordyceps. Turns out the parasites were irrelevant.
So the three possibilities are...
Snail was just a snail infected by parasites. Maybe it was eating a dead bird like the file hints.
Snail was Carlos.
Snail was an ill Carlos, therefore carrying a parasite.
I don't understand, but life is simply unfair. I think the phrase hints on that we can never get it.
>>345270285
The first two games had wildly different visual styles too, though.Can't really blame ZTD for that one.
>>345270212
Shit, this reminds me of all the meaningless parallels Uchi planted in VLR and 999...or maybe they were mainly just the fans overthinking everything.
>>345270487
Forgot about that. In that case I don't know. I'm pretty sure in 999 there was a picture of the people responsible for the first game so someone should check to see if one of them actually looks like Delta. But I doubt it.
>>345270673
No
There were 4 and Ace was one of them
But Ace was a fts member and probably ordered by fts to create the Nonary game.
That means Delta was responsible.
>>345270179
I guess that makes sense. Thanks.
>>345270673
Those four were the four in the game that died including Ace. Delta isn't one of them, but they were only one part of a larger group/conspiracy, so it is possible that Dlelta was responsible, because they had ties to FtS
>>345270880
Ace wasn't ordered too. He wanted to to cure his propognosia. That being said, it's very likely that Delta influenced him, and funded the thing
>Completely contrived existence possible in only one absurdly improbable timeline, where the only thing you do is get scanned and then starve to death
What a pathetic existence. Delta gave everyone shit about jumping to the coin toss, yet he didn't even give the version he was copied from a chance at life, even though he damn well could have figured out a way to fit it in his plans? What a total asshole.
>>345271239
>pantry that they never found
>Carlos 2
Its not his fault his father is retarded. I bet he pressed the damn button right when Carlos was about to save them.
Anybody else thought that the aliens weren't really aliens? I know that the characters say that it's aliens, but that's because the people who discovered it have no idea what created it so assumed aliens. I feel it is much more likely that it was created by some past or future shifters, considering it's ties to the morphogenetic field. I dunno, I may be wrong, I just thought it seems just as likely to be something like that than it is aliens.
>inb4 This will be answered in the 4th game. We hope you look foward to it.
>>345270880
>>345271085
I also forgot about the Cradle's ties to FTS (haven't played 999 or VLR in years now). I mean that's pretty much a dead giveaway that Delta organized the whole series then isn't it?
>>345270658
>fans overthinking everything
Yeah, I'm betting on that.
but then who was termites
>>345271593
13 fingers
There is one thing i don't really get.
Delta did all this to make a world where the terrorist is stopped, and the world is safe.
But if their rule of infinite universes and timelines exist. then wouldn't there already be a timeline where that didn't happen, if anything, there should be countless timelines. I could understand if Delta wanted to shift to that timeline, but if he cant shift, then i don't see the point.
>>345271809
He wanted to save the humanity in one timeline
In all the timelines humanity was doomed so he made sure that at least humanity is saved in one of them
>>345271809
Timelines don't exist until you create one then it becomes infinite
>>345271593
Probably not aliens, but some alternate earthlings from a past that branched off hundreds of millions of years ago
>>345271703
It was you. You were the termites all along. Congratulations.
>>345271809
He wants to ensure that his timeline (and any that they create diverging from it) have humanity saved. If he didn't do this, there would be near zero timelines where they were saved, because they only are created after a decision. So by doing this, he creates timelines where they can stop that shit,
Is there much of a difference between Vita and 3DS for VLR?
>>345271951
>>345271979
>>345272107
Gotcha. makes sense. I guess that ties to VLR's schrodingers cat experiments.
I know people like to meme on Delta as a character but I do think it's pretty funny that he essentially outsmarted the group at every turn as they followed his plan to a tee. I mean when you think about all of the Zero's plans worked, but Delta was pretty up front with them about it towards the end that what they did was nothing special and in reality he saved humanity, not them.
>>345272218
Not really. There are unique bugs on both though. Not sure if the save bug is accross both. There was a scenario that if you saved in a certain room, your save file would get corrupt. I know it happened to me on the 3ds, but im not sure about the vita. There are small bugs across both platforms though.
>>345265724
But isn't her mind back in time from the events of VLR? That seems to be the dilemma here. A zero time dilemma, if you will.
>>345272073
Thanks Sigma.
>>345272874
No her mind isn't. It's only Phi and Siggy that travel back
>>345272524
So they're pretty much equal? I might go with Vita then so I can use my bluetooth speakers, thanks Anon.
>>345272218
Vita looks nicer, 3DS version has the save bug but it also lets you make good use of the dual screen setup for puzzles and memos
>>345272404
He just followed causality. Which apparently required him to starve babies
>>345272218
Doesn't Vita have English voices only? Or was that just EU vs US versions?
>>345273043
Are you really in this thread without having played VLR?
>>345273043
Yeah they are pretty much equal. I know from my experience with the 3ds version, there is 1 secret file where i couldn't read the last line because i believe the vita has the ability to the scroll the text, and the 3ds couldnt.
>>345273210
I am but I've got my answer so I'm going to bail before I get spoiled. Thanks a lot for the advice guys.
>>345273013
then how the fuck does she keep saying that she's needs to save the universe
>>345272404
If only his reveal wasn't so fucking bad, and has no reason to join the game and put himself in danger.
>can read minds
>has gaulem tech
>could easily create a fake Akane/Junpei to fool Sigma and Co and make the twist so much better
>or be a smart ass and chill with Gab all game
>>345273416
Because she can see the future through the field like in 999 and Phi and Siggy seek her out and tell her about it. This is explained in VLR
>A Japanese citizen getting accused of murder and executed in America, only to find DNA evidence after the fact proving his innocence
This would have happened in like 2015, too. The shitstorm would be huge. Really, I doubt Aoi would have to bother with stocks, they could probably get mad dosh from this. I can't believe they would just fall off the earth enough for no one to notice their kidnapping, this shit would be all over the news
>>345273986
Mind hack
>>345273986
Wan't there a big time gap before finding out that he was falsely accused? Wouldn't it happen after their kidnapping?
>>345273187
The EU version had Jap voices only, US version has both
>>345273986
>americans
>not racists
They probably decided he was guilty just for being a foreigner.
>you will never have an adorable magic waifu that is willing to play TIME BULLSHIT just to be with you.
So during the coin flip, did no one notice that Delta was gone?
>>345275474
Anyone who noticed was hit with the memory-wipe anyway.
>>345275474
Carlos did but then the drugs kicked in.
>>345275542
While that does make sense, it's kind of a convenient contrivance that they do eventually remember the coin toss timeline, but only after the Zero reveal.
>>345275716
Every thing is kinda coninient in ZE.
So which was done better, Sigma being old or Q being Delta?
Anyone got the pic with how many wordline did you shitf?
Mind Hacc?
>>345276029
Or I suppose more specificallly Qteam having 4 members and Delta being there the whole time.
>>345276029
Sigma being old
>>345227447
Why there are so many hot guys on this series?
>>345276029
Sigma definitely. Q being Delta raises a lot of questionable behavior from the rest of the cast. Sigma being zero was actually pretty solid, even the twist that the two screens were your human/robot eye. Also all the mirrors in the facility were broken or dirty.
>>345276029
Sigma being old. Even though it had foreshadowing, there was just not enough of it and it was kinda dumb IMO. He could have very well not been present and little would have changed.
>>345276029
Q being Delta is just retarded, contradicted constantly, and not relevant to the story. It was a twist purely for the player.
>>345276413
>Even the twist that the two screens were your human/robot eye.
That was't part of the twist. The bottom screen isn't like 999 in where it mostly shows the same thing. it's only like that in the escape rooms. Unless he can't see out of it in the cinema sections, it isn't possible. He isn't seeing pic related bottom screen in the robot eye. Not to mention it was made for Vita also, so that wasn't part of the design
>>345276029
I'd say Sigma being old isn't as dumb as Delta being there the whole time but I enjoyed the latter more because I actually noticed nearly all the hints towards it beforehand (and there was a lot more of them) yet still didn't make the connection, so it was like finding an answer to all these discrepancies on top of surprising the fuck out of me.
I like how Delta barely has a tragic backstory to speak of.
Just "I saw it all in timelines and then my brother died"
>>345277150
He seemed very briefly emotional in the Reality fragment, I was surprised that got kind of dropped from his characterization.
>>345260362
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS
THIS THREAD IS OVERSTIMULATING ME
>>345277150
>starts crazy ass cult back in the 1900s
>tries to blame it on a snail incident that happened in 2018
>>345277150
The original Delta he was copied from has a pretty tragic story. Born to parents that had been trapped for months, just in time to starve as a family.
>>345277732
Uh oh, Reverie Syndrome. You're gonna have to learn to control your esper powers.
>>345277732
It's not a dissapointment that a villian of this scope in a series like this is basically "Hello, yes, I am the villain.
>>345277854
>Snail incident caused his birth
>Didn't cause him to be a piece of shit
>>345256230
He was cursed after all.
>>345277975
*It's just a
>>345227447
So any youtubers you folks would recommend for a guy to watch the original two games on? Doesn't matter if you like his choices, just if he talks enough during the video yet focuses on the story at the same time.
>>345270574
> The FUCK...?! Is this real?
He was replying to a tweet that used Persona 4 Dancing All Night soundtrack renamed to ero Escape for some purpose. I think he's taking the piss.
>>345278185
NicoB focuses on the story but adds in commentary and jokes. He can be pretty awful at times, but it's occasionally funny, and you will get the story.Just play the games though
>>345278185
Well, 999 doesnt have voice acting, so i would imagine it would be hard to find a youtuber that would read out all the lines.
>>345278185
Play them.
>>345278352
This guy does. His voices are kinda obnoxious at times, but he reads them all out. >>345278345
>>345278185
Sagemaster15 has a full playthrough of VLR and an indefinitely unfinished 999 playthrough. They're mostly good except his voice is pretty fucking annoying and he reads the character monologues out loud when they talk about their backstories. Not horrible though
>>345278024
What does the snail have to do with the fanatic and R-6 creation?
>>345278742
Well, the snail was pivotal in determining who was in the shelter, the shelter lead to his birth and all that. I was just trying to point out how bullshit blaming the snail really is because it doesn't really have anything to do with that stuff.
>>345279119
Why not blame Eric's mom for going jogging all the time? Or the city planners that built a park there?
>>345279903
Or Mira's mother for not getting an abortion.
>>345265225
999 = Super Metroid
VLR = Metroid Prime
ZTD = Other M
>>345281109
999 = Fallout
VLR = Fallout 2
ZTD = Fallout 3
