Is this the holy trinity of stealth games?
I feel like there must be a better stealth game than Blood money that should take its place, but I can't for the life of me think what it is.
![Hitman_2_artwork[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zD7nAmx.jpg "Hitman_2_artwork[1].jpg")
>>345220553
What do you mean you can't?
>>345220553
I feel the same way about Chaos Theory. It's a good game but I think it's pretty overrated for how linear and shit it is.
>>345222251
>It's a good game but it's shit
Wut
>>345222397
I guess it could be interpreted like that now that I read my post again but I didn't mean it's shit. I meant basically "how linear or whatever it is".
![Commandos_Behind_Enemy_Lines[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3c6qoql.jpg "Commandos_Behind_Enemy_Lines[1].jpg")
You forgot me
Why would you leave out the best one, OP?
>>345220394
Too bad the Tenchu series died out after Tenchu Z. What a fuckup that was.
All they had to do was remake, and expand upon Wrath of Heaven / Return from Darkness.
But you know what I'd really kill for? A game that's like a fusion of Tenchu and GTA.
>Warring states era of Japan, you play as a Togakure clan ninja.
>Your family sect of the clan gets wiped out by a Daimyo, leaving you as the last survivor (this way you start the game without any "you have to play this loyalty b.s.)
>Play as a lone mercenary shinobi, find your way into another ninja clan, or become an instrument for one of the Shogunate clans
>Assassin's Creed / Red Dead Redemption style of country-side travel. Traveling by road is dangerous because of government/army checkpoints, traveling by woodland is dangerous because of bandits and yamabushi. You can disguise yourself in different garb, but will have to make dire escapes if outed and wanted by that group.
>However depending on who you're being hunted by, maybe being captured and imprisoned for a little while will actually keep you safe.
>Throw a slight touch of the supernatural into the game for style (Tenchu, remember?) Some groups/factions are controlled by celestials/demons posing as humans. Some just roam within isolated parts of the lands, mountains, sea.
>Sailing would also be included, because Japan is a huge island and not utilizing the waters would be a dumb, dumb design decision.
>Combat in the style of Exanima/Die By the Sword; no pre-scripted animations, physics-driven damage. You must learn how to control your sword AND body movement to be effective in combat. Fights can last minutes, or seconds.
>Occasionally there will be huge army battles as well.
>Fief, castle, renown, and honor system like Mount & Blade
Everyone always wants an open world version of their favorite game but then it comes out and it's a boring sandbox with very little to do.
>>345225871
Meant for >>345224254
>>345223976
Nigga, please.
Hitman is a puzzle game, not a stealth game.
>>345225871
That's the designer's fault. Someday, someone will manage to make a non-boring open world.
>>345220394
Contracts is better
>>345226212
Aren't MMOs for that?
>>345226130
All stealth games are basically puzzle games.
>>345226212
You would think with how many devs are making open world games left and right for the past 5 years or so (or even more since open world has been around for forever) that somebody would have done it well by now.
>>345226330
I don't play MMOs so I wouldn't know, but I often see the term "theme park syndrome" when people discuss MMO maps. Don't know if it's relevant.
>>345221562
>>345226252
>>345220553
Thief 1
>>345220553
Hitman 2016 has the potential.
>>345220394
Hitman 2 and Contracts are better than Blood Money.
Thief 1 and 3 (with mods) is better than 2 (but 2 is probably a better stealth game, Thief has better spooky than stealth though).
It's pretty much /v/-tier (generally good taste) list. So, yeah. For all oldfags and genre-lovers it's a pretty accurate list. Although, I would prefer Contracts over BM (despite the fact that BM is objectively better) and Thief 1 over second (despite, again, second being superior. I just like Thief 1's supernatural aesthetics more). Damn, we didn't have a good stealth for a long time, didn't we?
>>345228872
>3 is better than 2
I don't know what mods are out for 3 other than the one that removes loading screens from levels but I really doubt any mods actually make it a good game.
>>345220394
Where mgs ??
>>345229531
this
>>345229392
The Sneaky Upgrade mod pack for 3, that includes T3 Gold and Minimalist Project as well as a bunch of other smaller mods makes Deadly Shadows into a legit fun game.
I don't know if you'd call it a better stealth game or not, but I thought it was a better game overall aside from smaller levels.
I will say that I value exploration and good spooky atmosphere in Thief more than pure stealth though. If you only play Thief for stealth you will probably still like 2 better. 2 just doesn't have enough weird architecture for me, it's more about robbing regular places. Though the second half where you visit the forests and mechanist hidden bases was fucking awesome though.
>>345220553
Honestly, the new Hitman is shaping up to be fucking incredible.
>>345220394
Name one thing that CT does at least as good as Thief.
>>345229531
>>345229719
MSG5 arguably has the best stealth gameplay imo
>>345220394
Delete this then put mgs then re up
>>345230213
Shame it doesn't have the level design to take advantage of it.
>>345230521
Give me an address
>>345230213
>imo
Your opinion is shit imo.
MGSV had enormous potential, and there were hints of something great now and then, but overall it was just lazy, unfocused open world garbage.
>>345230409
>whole series about infiltrating giant secret high security facilities
>last game is about infiltrating tiny outposts in an empty wasteland
mgs 5 is so fucking strange
>>345220394
I like Chaos Theory but I'd probably put pretty much any MGS up there over it. Not necessarily because Thief 2 and Blood Money are better games, but more because Splinter Cell feels like it derives from MGS while Thief and Hitman have their distinct styles.
>>345230213
Unless the instant base wide alerts were dealt with, that title still goes to MGS3.
>>345230906
>Splinter Cell derives from MGS
Literally what?
Styx
>>345230521
Give a fucking address
>>345230906
Chaos Theory has a lot more in common with Thief than MGS because of the way light and sound are used.
>>345230693
>>345231326
The fuck?
>>345222729
You get many ways and tools to achieve your goals, I think you're an idiot.
>no mgs
intothetrash.jpg
>>345231990
MGSV is trash, everything prior is basically PAC-MAN.
>>345231990
game in which you run and shoot everyone in the head with non-lethal weapon and get best score for doing so and then watch a cutscene in which protag kills and blows everything up is not a stealth game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDQEFMxyfhs
>>345232178
Be careful, you're going to stir the beehive..
>neo-/v/ would rather shitpost if MGS or Splinter Cell is better instead of talking about the greatest stealth game, Commandos BEL
pathetic
>>345232104
>>345232178
Frank I know this is you I'm going to Paso in a few hours so get ready
>>345232378
>implying anybody on modern day /v/ played that game
Nobody in this shithole plays games anymore unless their epic e-celebs played them too.
>>345220394
>all three franchises got stomped to death in the end
>>345232378
>BEL
You haven't played Commandos 2, have you?
>>345233423
New Hitman is good, really good.
>>345233852
>New Hitman is good, really good.
Don't bother, if a game doesn't come out in their formative years, (1999-2006) you'll never get anyone to admit the game is good unless it's flawless.
>>345224254
You should really play Shinobido.
It's exactly what you described minus the open-world.
You use disguises more than sneak in Hitman though. Splinter Cell and Thief are proper ghost stealth.
>>345233852
New Hitman is great. The way they're releasing every mission slowly as DLC is fucking tiring.
>>345234185
I'd say that makes Hitman's stealth a lot more believable tbqh.
Infiltrators irl have to be good at social stealth as well as creeping around in the shadows.
>>345234497
You can't hide in plain sight if you're breaking into high security facilitates like Splinter cell.
>>345220394
No STYX?
>>345234189
This basically sums up my feelings on the new Hitman.
Though to be fair, I'm just gonna play them all when they're all released.
Mirror's Edge should have had stealth
>>345226405
The issue is they don't need to do it well. Just look at how popular trash like Assassins Creed and GTA is - normies love an open world no matter how bland it is.
>>345220553
New Hitman is incredible but if you want pure stealth, pic related.
>>345230213
>instant base wide alerts
>pure distance-based vision
>sound travelling is not blocked through walls.
>>345235150
I like that game, but there's too much of a focus on platforming towards the end.
>>345225871
I think there was ONE instance of making a linear game open world and it working, but I can't remember what.
You're not the kind of wuss that resets upon being seen, are you /v/?
Programmers put a lot of time into those guard alert states, you know.
>>345235360
The Witcher 3 ?
>>345235150
MotN is the best stealth game of the last 10 years.
Followup when?
>>345220394
Yes. They are all near perfect in their own ways.
>>345235150
>pure distance-based vision
Lighting, vegetation and camo are taken into account.
>sound travelling is not blocked through walls.
How is that different from other games?
>>345220394
This is the real Holy Trinity:
MGS3
Blood Money
Chaos Theory
Thief is good, but really dated.
>>345232178
To be honest, that nonsense aside, Ground Demoes was SO much better than MGS5 it wasn't even funny. If the whole MGS5 had just done away with fulton shit and been 12 missions as good as GZ, it would have been worth every penny.
They would have needed to tighten up the stealth mechanics though. Some of the enemy sight stuff is bullshit.
>>345232514
BRING IT
>>345236049
>really dated
thief aged better than all 3 of those games
>>345234189
They are doing a LOT more than almost every other episodic release to keep it fresh though. They really want you replaying these levels to milk everything out of them. And the pacing of release does kinda support that.
Step aside.
>>345236049
The only thing dated about Thief is the graphics. The game itself still outclasses anything similar. The games you listed aren't really similar but I still think Thief's game design beats all of them.
silent ssassin is still the best hitman game
blood money babbys ruined the franchise
>>345235570
Nah, but it didn't make it worse because Witcher was kinda crap already.
>>345235972
Walls block sound in Sneakan Cell. If they had actually made you do things in that manor house in the injun mission, you would have noticed the sound thing immediately.
>>345235630
Sneakan Cell Blacklist is pretty good. Conviction wasn't bad either except that it was more of a stealth shooter.
Absolution as well, though you're rated horribly for playing it as a shooter and the stealth is so ball-crushingly hard I am almost certain they didn't design it for Hard-Expert-Purist level play just for how much of a pain in the ass it is to sneak anywhere.
Despite all that, you're a dope if you skip any of those, their weaknesses aside.
>>345229531
MGS belong below mediocre tier.
MGS is regarded as baby's first stealth game.
>>345224254
Tenchu Z had the best level design and stealth mechanics in the franchise, bar none. A LOT of effort went into that.
Of course they sapped every bit of fun from it: The music is gone. Only two bosses. Reused everything...
Fatal Shadows, which came before it, was a game almost entirely made of incredibly tightly packed levels and halls. Ghosting Absolution is somehow less frustrating than that stealthy shitfest. I loved it all the same but fuck it to hell.
The Wii/PSP Tenchu game?... Eh... it was about a fraction of a good game idea. I WANTED to like it so bad. But I couldn't. What a fucking mess.
Also killing off Ayame is illegal.
>>345236830
>the same game 5 times in highest tier
shill
>PSI Ops and Alpha Protocol above DX, NOLF, Blacklist, and Riddick
Nigga I loved all those games except maybe AP but there is no way Psi Ops or AP have better sneakan than NOLF, Blacklist, and Riddick.
>>345236830
>chicken run being that low
delete this
>>345236830
shit list
commandos/desperados are litteraly point and click trial and error bullshit tier
so is most hitman games for that matter
codename 47 shits on all other hitman games because it actually has stealth elements rather than just walking around in a disguise like it's no big deal.
>>345236830
>Thief 1 and 2
>low mid tier
Wtf mate?
>>345237307
>>345237431
>>345237224
>>345237187
I didn't made the list. Besides my point is MGS is a mediocre stealth game when you compare it to the other games in the genre.
>>345237709
everybody knows that
no need to post a terrible tier list to prove that point
>>345236830
Definition of a bait chart.
>>345236378
Even with the graphics looking like ass, the sound design is so fucking good you immediately lose yourself in the game. Easily one of the most immersive games I ever played.
>>345220553
the ship :^)
Is there a multiplayer stealth game? The nearest thing I can imagine is the Spy in TF2.
>>345239171
>>345239042
So much this. Garret's edgy voice and sounds are the best. And that sound of stealing something is the most memorable sound in the whole vidya
>>345240196
The Ship is social stealth.
Sneakan Cell Chaos Theory, Double Agent, Conviction, and Blacklist all had various forms of MP, bro-op and vs. High end play on those was kinda degenerate and closer to deathmatch than real stealth.
I'll eat my hat if ThieveryUT is still alive, but it was guards vs thieves Thief-themed mod for UT99. Still kinda corny but it did some things right. Playable solo if you just wanted to fight the AI guards, but you may as well get The Dark Mod if you want amateurish Thief mods or just get good T2 mods if you like that sort of thing.
I think Sir, You Are Being hunted has co-op multiplayer. Too lazy to check.
