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What games have good gunplay?
What game has the best gun sounds?
Satisfying gun sounds are very important imo
Squad is still poorly optimized but fuck me if the sound design and communication doesn't make firefights fun as fuck
>>345219313
Certainly not ArmA.
>>345219457
Probably bad company war tapes,
Battlefield 3 had the best sounding G36c tho.
Receiver
Its a shame there's not more to the game though.
>>345219551
this
>>345219457
Halo tbqh
GTA V with mods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fryqazJW4Zw
And https://www.gta5-mods.com/misc/naturalmotion-euphoria-oiv-kaai210-bravercoolio-jedijosh920 too.
Stalker, if you want realistic bullet drop and damage. (Play on the hardest difficulty, the others give you + enemies a handicap on bullet damage).
>>345219538
Well the developers are actually gun owners
>>345219661
>this game
>with full rendered bodies
>2v2, or more deathmatches and other typical shooter gamemodes
I'd reinstall for that
>>345219798
What does that have to do with anything?
Destiny's gunplay was satisfying was fuck. Hope they put it in an actual one day
>>345219457
Agreed.
A few games with decent/good gun sounds off the top of my head
>DayZ
>Battlefield 3/4
>Battlefield 1
>Rainbow Six Siege
>ArmA 3 (Excluding Apex. The guns in that sound terrible)
>>345219551
ArmA has good gunplay. Fuck off.
Not amazing, but good.
>>345219756
The guns in STALKER look and feel terrible.
The reload animations are some of the worst I've ever seen.
>>345219882
Because they have firsthand experience with guns rather than solely though the media.
>>345219882
A bunch of fags sitting in an office don't know what guns sound like. Maybe they'll go to a range for an afternoon, that's it.
Insurgency
>>345219952
Yeah the anims suck, but there are mods to fix them if they're such a big deal to you. As far as handling like real guns though, they're pretty solid.
>>345220014
This.
Insurgency's guns are great.
>>345219959
>>345220001
uhm how exactly does having a gun in your house make you better at recording sounds?
What?
Devlopers go to gun ranges etc, owning a gun changes literally nothing
>>345219661
yeah man, loved this game for a while, such a cool concept. unfortunately gets old very quickly
>>345219882
>Realistic racing game
>Developers actually drive cars
>What does that have to do with anything?
>Realistic Boxing, MMA, whatever game
>The developers actually have formal training in martial arts/boxing/ w/e
>What does that have to do with anything?
>>345219752
>Config work (rate of fire, muzzle effects, recoil pattern, shells ejected faster, slower reload time) by myself
>there's no link to it
Cool
>>345219952
>ArmA has good gunplay
Loving Every Laughs.
The gunplay is atrocious, the weapons don't procude a satisfying kick or to a minima visual recoil, and the shitty ass static rotating muzzleflashes (Fallout 4 tier) kills any kind of attempt at realism or authenticity. It's shit. It's garbage. Even Fallout New Vegas modded out of the ass produce better gunplay, which is saying a lot.
>>345220219
>driving a car makes you better at making video games
ok then, guess I'm a game developer now
>>345219313
Max Payne 3
>>345219661
Is there any game that's essentially Receiver but for Vive? I don't own a Vive or have much interest in sinking ridiculous amount of cash on first-gen hardware, but I'm curious.
>>345220157
baka
>>345220126
thats an arma 3 screen shot tho.
>>345219756
>Stalker, if you want realistic bullet drop and damage
Lol no, this is straight up misinformation.
I uninstalled STALKER after I shot a Bloodsucker in the face, at point blank, with a shotgun. Loaded with slugs. Didn't kill it.
It's one thing when headshots with general firearms aren't instant kills.
But when I shoot a skull at point blank with a shotgun slug, that creature should be dead.
>>345220157
Someone getting recordings at a range (recordings of gun fire is nothing like how they really sound to human ears btw) for an afternoon and shooting so much you know perfectly how guns sound caliber by caliber isn't the same thing
FEAR 1 and 2. Can't remember what FEAR 3's was like but that's probably because it wasn't as good.
>>345220157
>>345220310
No, owning and doing these things would mean you know what it should somewhat feel like in a game, depending on if you're going for realism.
But you know that, and are just pretending to be retarded.
Fuck off shitposter. Dont ever reply to me or my anons again.
>>345219952
It's also funny because nobody ever brings up the weapons in STALKER all have the working parts on the left side of the gun.
>muh dynamic bullet cases flying across the screen
>>345220460
>buy a gun
>now I know exacty what every military assault rifle and dfferent caliber sounds like
neat
>>345220336
Hotdogs horseshoes and hand grenades, it's great. One of my favorite vive games and it's constantly getting significant updates
>>345219313
fallout 4
>>345220406
I am well aware of that.
>>345220429
Agreed. There is no acceptable reason why a guy in a leather jacket should be able to survive getting shot in the head and keep going.
I hope the next STALKER, if there is one, has a better armor system, possibly akin to that of DayZ where you have things like plate carriers, helmets, etc instead of just suits.
>>345220626
Fallout 4's gunplay is good by Fallout standards, but mediocre compared to some other games
>>345220429
Bloodsuckers are mutant creatures with a very tough hide. An auto shotgun or explosives are recommended.
But yeah, vanilla STALKER doesn't have realistic damage. A headshot will kill most human characters out right but they will tank shots to the chest. STASLKER with a realistic damage mod is pretty great though.
>he doesnt aaaah nu chikibriki iv damke
What a faggot
>>345220587
>Doesn't know vast majority of militaries use the same calibers as each other
>Ignoring where I said actually shooting and doing it a lot
Kys
>>345219457
Bad Company 1 and 2 are what come to mind for me.
Now we have 4 where every gun sounds and feels the exact same.
>>345219752
GTA V is clunky. Nice item animations don't improve a shitty cover system and awful mobility.
>>345219313
Battlefield 3/4
MGS5 TPP has some pretty nice gunplay
you'll have to download a mod that decreases health/health regen to that of a normal soldier and increases enemy sight and hearing by 2.5, but once you've done that firefights get really intense
>>345220285
Yes I hate armafags that think the game is the pinnacle of shooters. It's a very poorly made game.
>>345220817
>Now we have 4 where every gun sounds and feels the exact same.
Nice meme
>>345219457
DICE games in general
>>345220014
This, but the problem with Insurgency is that the maps are really small. If only the maps in Insurgency were like in Red Orchestra.
>>345220541
Nobody plays vanilla stalker, the weapon mods is where it's at.
>>345221131
one ones?
>>345220587
Do you know what NATO is?
I used a Steyr in the army. Funny thing, a lot of what you're aware of hearing other than the bang is actually the creak of the return spring in the butt that your ear's pressed against.
>>345221116
One of the reasons I stopped playing Insurgency is that the matches are so short and if you die you can't respawn
>>345219952
>The guns in STALKER look and feel terrible.
>The reload animations are some of the worst I've ever seen.
then you obviously didnt play Arma or Insurgency
ill take STALKER gameplay over Arma or Insurgency any day
BF is shit because of retarded bullet velocity and bullet drop
As much as i hate Tripwire, best one is probably Killing Floor
Max Payne 3 is gunkino
>>345221116
Why, it's a fun game as it is. It takes the meat grinder aspect of RO and made a game of it.
>>345221192
*what ones
>>345220965
The worst thing about the guns in MGSV is that it has frankenguns.
>>345220429
You do realize that animals such as tigers or bears can take several 9mm to the head like it's nothing right?
Bloodsuckers are fucking mutants, it's not that unrealistic to assume their mutated hide and skull is tough enough to take slug to the head. It's just a matter of proportion.
>>345221249
>BF is shit because of retarded bullet velocity and bullet drop
That is how guns work in real life anon.
>>345221116
Honestly, I kinda like that balance. I played a fuckton of Rising Storm and got burnt out on how slow and stressful the gameplay was. Insurgency is like a nice medium between a groundwar shooter and an arena shooter with objectives thrown in like CoD with the added bonus of having a couple realistic aspects
>>345220285
>center axis relock
can you get banned for using this online and where did you get it?
>>345221249
Yeah kf2 weapons are super satisfying
>>345220862
You're reaching. GTA was never meant to be a FPS. And even then i still behaves pretty well. Better than ArmA.
Should I buy Bad Company 2 on Steam?
Ar people still playing it?
>>345221336
>That is how guns work in real life anon.
>Battlefield-like bullet velocity and bullet drop is how it is in real life
Whew, then i will be dodging bullet easily in WW3.
No, Arma is whats close to reality.
In Battlefield is pure retardness.
>>345221192
>>345221286
Original Weapons Renewal, Arsenal Overhaul, STCoP, are the main ones
>>345221487
Yes and there's hacked lobbies so you can play Vietnam without owning it
>game allows you to deploy machinegun bipods for increased stability at the cost of movement
>>345221256
>>345221386
It beats the purpose of having long range scopes and a sniper class if you have to have combat in close quarters more than half the time.
>>345221249
Nice bait. There is literally nothing wrong with insurgency's gunplay. The weapons handle fine and feel fine.
ArmA's gunplay is mostly fine aside from the reload animations, which aren't great but are way better than STALKER's.
>>345221487
Buy RO2
>>345221298
yea. I wish they limited the fuck out of what you could actually mod. Its stupid to put a fuck huge barrel on a small caliber rifle, and suddenly now it fires faster and has better range.
Thats why I roll in all my mission withe recreated m4 carbine, and m9 sidearm
>>345221543
>Can't deploy them in a team mates shoulders
>>345221573
>Buy RO2
I already own RO2 ya dip
>>345221539
neat, are there still enough people playing it?
>>345221496
Are you retarded?
They obviously have to change the rates from real life for gameplay reasons. But that is how guns work anon, BF is one of the few games that actually has like real life gun handling.
>>345221567
Buhriz, Sinjar, Panj, there's plenty of good opportunities for sniper pussies in Insurgency
>>345221681
Yeah, just check steam charts or something
What games have the best gun porn? Preferably fps. Escape from Tarkov looks like it will be exactly what I'm looking for but I don't think it has a release date yet
So, we can all agree that if the game removed randomization-spread for recoil, sorta like in initial games, because of character mobility CoD would have the best gunplay?
>>345221471
>Better than ArmA
Wew.
>GTA was never meant to be a FPS
The basic play is clunky, whatever mode it's played.
>>345220285
GTA 5 in the Webm?
>>345221798
Red orchestra is better
A lot of my issues with ArmA's gunplay stems from the fact that the AI has been retarded and geared towards long-range 300m+ engagements in wide open spaces since Operation Flashpoint.
>>345221641
>tfw you'll never be able to do pic related in RO2
Fuck that, what game has the most satisfying reload animations?
F:NV's "That Gun" reload was fucking sex
>>345220429
>Bloodsucker
>I shoot a mutant abomination and it survived
no shit
they're literally monsters
>>345221407
Pretty sure you get banned for using any mod. Online is for children anyway.
>>345221928
It sucks. Does even arma let you do this? I don't think it does
>animations and sounds are gunplay
Maybe if a game comes that has basic fluidity.
>>345221870
Post a webm or video?
>>345221702
>They obviously have to change the rates from real life for gameplay reasons
They didnt in Arma and many other games and it works perfectly in other games.
Im perfectly fine with bullet velocity and bullet drop in other games.
It feels like shooting an actual gun not an airsoftgun.
BF is airsoftgun feeling. Slow bullet with retarded bullet drop.
Shill as much as you want, but BF shooting sucks.
I was even expecting to DICE to have laser drop in Battlefront.
Somehow they managed not to do that.
>>345221928
>that pic
rip ears
>>345221928
Yeah because the fucking MG42 needs a buff.
>>345222024
>Has never played RO1 or 2
Let me get in my pc
>>345222013
Nope.
>ITT
>good gunplay = Realistic gun damage
that's not the same thing you idiots
you could have the most realistic damage models ever but if the guns sound like shit and the animations are garbage it would still be absolutely terrible to play.
>>345221116
Insurgency died for me when they changed the movement mechanics for walking in general (feels more "realistic" but was super annoying for me)
>>345222024
in RO2 maps have temperature which affect overheating of MG barrels
>>345221336
>Battlefield
>Battlefield is how guns work in real life
>you have to account for bulletdrop at 20 meters in real life
Totally
>>345222024
>post webm or video
https://youtu.be/poz3SE0pzdc
>>345221721
And you're still better off using the 2x Red Dot, because the objectives are often very close and whilst you're trying to find the next enemy to shoot with a long range scope they can just hop towards you or shoot you from the the other objective point without a real problem.
There's little to no usage for long range scopes in the game, which is a shame, in my opinion.
Half the time you'll be in situations like pic related because all of your teammates have run off somewhere and died, so you have to secure the open spot even though you previously were trying to hold off the long distance.
Personally I feel if a game doesn't have dead zone aiming then it's doing its gunplay a disservice
>>345221336
That shit is insanely exaggerated though
>>345219756
I'm actually playing Stalker for the first time right now. Unless I'm understanding things incorrectly, there's a built in dice roll on shots that causes them to just vanish sometimes, presumably as part of the accuracy stat on guns. It's the only explanation I've seen for all the times I've fired a shot that couldn't possibly miss doing no damage. The gun physics might be realistically modeled otherwise, but that doesn't really mean much when your skill is being artificially curbed.
I still like the game, and I'm at a point where the issue is much less noticeable, but it's still mildly irritating.
inb4 "low crouch and iron sight". The misses will still happen. If the solution is to mod, then the game itself isn't what has the good gunplay, it's the mod.
>>345222028
>They didnt in Arma
No they didn't because Arma is set in an open world where ranges are as long as they are in real life you fucking mongolid. Arma is also a military simulator, BF is a action shooter.
BF also has self contained maps with limited ranges, to balance the weapons and make the velocity and bullet drop work they have to change them to work within those ranges.
The guns still fire handle like they do in real life.
>Shill
Epic, simply epic.
>I was even expecting to DICE to have laser drop in Battlefront.
>Somehow they managed not to do that.
Lasers don't have bullet drop, real bullets do.
>>345222630
The first guns suck. A LOT. As soon as you get a scope for a gun you will pop headshots left and right.
>>345222339
i own a gun it's in my pants
>>345219756
>tfw want to enjoy stalker but the head bobbing is annoying as fuck
>>345222427
Well that's a very close quarters map, there's no point using a big scope there. The role of a sniper/designated marksman is to take out important targets like MGs and other snipers. You always get kiddies who think they're good snipers on Peak and Sinjar, you need a counter sniper to take them out.
>>345222665
>>345222561
>>345222461
ro2 looks so fucking terrible lmao
>realistic
>>345222024
This just makes me want to play Titanfall desu. COD still hasn't gotten to copying its movement right
>>345222903
I'm already using a GP 37 and misses still happen even at close range. Like I said, it's less frequent, but it definitely still happens.
>>345222339
>>345222461
>>345222561
>>345222665
Germany is easy mode.
>>345222630
AO3 fixes all that shit in COP
no idea if there is a SoC or CS equilavent
>The guns still fire handle like they do in real life.
No they fire slower bullets.
A lot slower ones
>Lasers don't have bullet drop, real bullets do.
Feel free to show me that shitty gun that shoots a bullet as slow as it is in BF and has a retarded bullet drop as it is in BF.
>BF also has self contained maps with limited ranges, to balance the weapons and make the velocity and bullet drop work they have to change them to work within those ranges.
Interesting, Tripwire with less money and man were able to do better and they did it also on big maps with need of balance also.
Somehow bullet velocity and bullet drop doesnt go full retard in Red Orchestra games.
Oh wait this also applies to STALKER.
Hmm, wait there is Operation flashpoint too.
Im sure there is plenty more.
>Epic, simply epic.
You are only proving me right.
You are just making up excuses for BF's shitty shooting mechanic, while other games did it fine.
>>345220429
>try to claim that a game is unrealistic
>bring up a fucking mutant
Most of the shooting in the game is against other people. If you shoot people in the head on Master difficulty, they die. Bloodsuckers are a huge outlier in terms of damage they can survive. And if you pull off a lucky shot, they will go down anyway.
>>345223141
None of the Russian guns are fun unless you're using a PPSH in close range. DP28 least of all and I like machine gun classes.
>>345220285
>satisfying kick
If you mean like Battlefield, thats fake as fuck
>or to a minima visual recoil
Yeah they do
>shitty ass static rotating muzzleflashes
As opposed to what? What BF does? FANCIER rotating muzzle flashes?
>>345223227
2nd part meant for the BFfag in denial >>345222769
>>345222769
SW lasers are superheated bullets within plasma or something.
>>345221248
That only applies only to one or two game modes.
MGS3
>>345223483
lol
>>345222769
BC2 has interesting drop. 3 and 4 doesn't.
>>345223070
AW seems super entertaining. Not sure that TF has bunny hopping.
>>345221298
That's a fair comment but I hate it when people complain about optional aspects of video games as if they're forced on the player. So if that's the worst thing you can say about the gunplay I'd say it's fairly good on the whole.
Thoughts on Project Reality?
>>345223605
Eh, AW seems to be more based around jumping high. Titanfall is more wall running and stuff. It does have a double job in the form of jump jets that every pilot has
>>345223340
The only person in denial is you. You can't seem to understand that the velocity and bullet drop is different because of gameplay and balancing reasons.
100 meters in BF is not 100 meters in real life. They have to change the velocity and bullet drop to represent this i game and to balance the weapons.
You are a dumb shit if you can not understand this.
>>345222059
Yeah I can't see that without thinking of Archer.
>>345222985
I actually wanted to try out a long range scope in that map and it just didn't feel much different from using the 2X Red Dot considering how many obstacles there are in in the center. And if the enemy gets on the right side, you pretty much can't do anything there as a sniper since it's just building upon building.
Problem with being an anti-sniper or even MG is that often a lot their team's marksmen also run off somewhere else.
Also, another problem that's very common for the sniper class is if you try and sit in windows or next to a wall then you're pretty much guaranteed to get fucked by an RPG at some point.
>>345223324
Scoped SVT is the best weapon in regular RO2, in my opinion.
>>345222461
RO2's gunplay is fucking awful though, although that might be more a consequence of the movement.
>>345224194
Compared to what? Seriously, especially WW2 games
>>345223857
>you are dumb because i cant comprehend that DICE is the only shit dev that cant make acceptable bullet velocity and bullet drop work in their games while all the other developers can
So who is in denial? lol
>A-Arma doesnt count
>bu-but Red Orchestra, uhm Uhhh
>and OF uh, well, uhh
>well duh, uhh they have to change to cuz gameplay and map!!
Then how come bullet drop doesnt start at 1 meter in COD or any other FPS on small maps?
>we-well its no BF! its shitty COD!!
Fuck off BFfag.
Battlefield has ultra retarded bullet velocity and bullet drop, you dont get around that.
Its a fact.
>>345223636
The MGS series always had great gunplay and that is in large part due to its fantastic sound design.
ITT: People who have never shot guns before, now talking about which game has the most realistic gun, gunplay, and sounds.
Fucking /v/ at it again, most of you sounds soo dumb right now, damn.
>>345224348
>BFfag cant even make up a legitimate response
amazing
>>345219313
Destiny
>>345224187
>tribes for babies
Bump.
I've been looking for a good (not necessarily realistic) since forver.
Please help
>>345224456
Here is another (you)
I hope it give you the attention you are seeking.
>>345224385
>most of you sounds soo dumb right now
The irony
>>345224385
It's video games you autistic /k/uck
>b-but it's not called a clip
off yourself
>>345224281
Literally anything. Battlefield 1942, Day of Defeat, Call of Duty, Day of Infamy, whatever. Hell, Red Orchestra 1 was better.
This kind of shit >>345222561 happens constantly and it's so retarded.
>>345224608
What kind of shit? Recoil and hitting the corner of a wall? I made that webm, I don't hit the last guy for a reason
>>345222339
Ro2 is garbage because of just how unbalanced one team is over the other 100% of the time, when it comes to weapons or team skill.
I don't ever buy that "but IT IS balanced anon, it's called asymmetrical balancing!" What a load of fucking horseshit. Anybody who says it's balanced have played Germans and Americans 24/7.
RO1 never felt that unbalanced in comparison for some reason.
>>345224545
Well, the fact that you can only resort to (you) is even sadder.
Must be shit when someone just proves how shit of a system your favorite little game has and you cant do anything about expect meme responses.
>>345224462
Tribes is parabolic like Blops 3. It's shallow and predictable.
>>345224462
Nothing like Tribes. I know you're trying to look badass and elitist, but at least use your brain or play more games
>>345224683
Here (you) go m8.
>>345224807
>BFfag butthole status: destroyed
>>345221582
Problem?
>>345224682
RO1s gunplay feels really stiff to me. Map wise it's a better game. This thread isn't even about balance.
>>345224882
(you)
>>345224916
>let's remove the skybox and make the game look grimdark and edgy
good job you fucking retard
>>345224916
Dreary ENB is shit, especially with that semen colored sky
Playing insurgency and pulling back the charging handle on the AKM makes my dick move.
>>345224784
You're capturing a flag, and you're trying to do so really quickly. I consider it Tribes for babies, because that's supposed to look impressive but it's just not in comparison to the stuff that goes on in Tribes
>>345224682
>Americans
>flamers
>semi autos
Honestly rising storm is retarded beyond any limit.
>>345224917
Ro1's gunplay is MEATY. It feels way more meaty and loud and intense than RO2.
Your character is slower, but all your guns feel like they actually hurt like a mother fucker.
In Ro2 I feel like im playing with fucking BB guns. The sound on all the rifles feel they are put in a compressor plugin. The sound design is so dogshit in RO2.
>>345219457
BLACK
>>345225043
>Every game with CTF is tribes
Ok, Tribes is quake for babies
>>345220429
nah, you just got shit taste, and fail to realize that the mutants don't follow basic human rules.
Also, shotguns in SoC suck ass, and 00-buckshot is the best way to off most muties.
>>345225078
>The sound on all the rifles feel they are put in a compressor plugin
I've never read something so true
>>345224997
Everyone knows Nevada ENBâ„¢ is the best ENB there is.
>>345219457
Modded STALKER
>>345220724
>Agreed. There is no acceptable reason why a guy in a leather jacket should be able to survive getting shot in the head and keep going.
They don't though, the only time an NPC ever survives a direct headshot is on very rare occasions.
You've probably been playing MISERY, which has an armor system like you want, but it ends up making the enemies bullet sponges and thus feel like complete shit.
>>345220483
haven't played 2 but 1 is great.
There's nothing more satisfying than taking down enemies with the dual pistols.
Some weapons are hot steaming piles of shit though, like the SMG
>>345219313
CSGO
>>345222013
Modded ArmA does let you do this - but the same mods make it so doing it will deafen whoever you're doing it to.
>>345220752
>>345221301
>>345221957
>>345223310
>but it's a mutant maybe it's super tough you don't know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrhpAZoiqxE
the mid-range slug punches straight through a solid brick wall, fuck off with that shit
>>345224916
Does regular NV have dynamic shadows?
>>345225198
>CS:RNG
>>345224676
He should've been dead twenty times over. You're clearly not hitting the corner of the wall because you can see bullet impacts and holes behind him from the bullets that miraculously curved around to miss his torso.
>>345222630
you have to play on master difficulty, otherwise a ceratin percent of shots vansihes
>>345225147
now I didn't say that did I? you're sperging out
>>345219538
I like Arma, but this.
>>345224992
>>345224997
The clouds are just blending with the sky. Kill yourselves you fucking shit for brains.
>>345224682
But I greatly prefer Ruskies and Japs, and always dominate the opposing team ??
>>345225276
No, you're heavily implying it. You see CTF and think Tribes and only Tribes. Probably not even a good tribes but the shit one /v/ was obsessed with.
In tribes you're trying to capture a flag and do it quickly like in Quake. Tribes is quake for babies :^)
>>345224548
English is not my language, how many do you know? lol
>>345225334
that looks like fucking shit lmfao
>>345225230
No.
>>345225232
nice debunked meme. get closer and git gud
>>345219313
>gun looks amazing
>closeup nature looks good
>distant land looks like cardboard cutout
>nigger hand looks like cardboard cutout
why arma always look so inconsistent
>>345225413
I made it dark to make a point you retarded cunt
>>345225434
Every shot has small randomizations. It's non-competitive.
>>345225490
>Hurr, I don't understand hardware restrictions and just want everything rendered 24/7
If your PC can handle it go ahead
>>345224992
>>345224997
Shit taste
>>345224916
Superior ENB coming through
>>345224583
and this argument is over gunplay and realism you retarded neckbeared. And yes it a mag, not a clip and you just sound even more retarded for embracing ignorance and sheer stupidity. lol again you are just proving my point, a bunch of virgins who never shot a gun arguing over how it is in a game. lolololol get fucked you autistic cuck
>>345225407
Tribes and Quake play very similarly, your comparison is stupid because Titanfall moves nowhere as quick as Tribes whereas Tribes and Quake move at similar speeds
>>345225074
And faggots who exclusively play Americans to hang on the coattails of their good TLs always retort that Banzai and Knee Mortars are just as good.
Banzai only works against a mediocre american team, and they take TONS of teamwork and good SLs and TLs. Knee mortars take lots of practice and map knowledge to be effective with, sure you might get a lucky multikill but its fucking rare.
Flamers in comparison take very little practice. You use smoke, flank the enemy, and many times you will easily get 5 kills per life.
Also I pick up every damn American weapon I see when I am Japanese and I find myself killing a lot more enemies.
At least sometimes during primetime hours a bunch of regular Jap players come on and absolutely wreck the american team with good teamwork.
But I never see Russia win in primetime hours, EVER. If you go on Russia you are begging to lose.
>>345225603
>>345225496
t. samefag
you have to be mentally retarded to unironically like ENB garbage
I will now and always believe Day of Defeat Source has the best gunplay I've ever seen.
The weapons feel so satisfying to use and their uses are so perfectly balanced in a rock paper scissors style.
It's pretty much pick two of accuracy, power, mobility.
The servers were always great communities too and there were so many amazing custom maps.
Too bad Valve doesn't care about it anymore.
Too bad we'll never get a promised Day of Defeat 3.
I also miss some of the weapons from the original too.
>>345225638
Lmao. Dude, if you think Tribes is anywhere near Quake you need to git gud at Quake
>>345225427
Fucking Bethesda, honestly I think they're the laziest company I've ever seen.
>>345225490
Wait, that's ArmA? I thought it was SQUAD.
>>345219457
Rainbow 6 seige has good sound. Ambient gunfire through walls can be terrifying
cory in the house
>>345219661
>>345220336
beast consorting man should unzip his unity project and implement VR to Receiver, easy money, someone give him a hint
>>345225696
They both move fast and Titanfall doesn't
tribes for babies
>>345219457
Bad Company 2 with war tapes audio setting. HOOOOLY SHIT. After playing BF3 and 4 for quite some time, I went back to BC2 and my god, what an improvement. How did they fuck up sound effects moving forward? They already nailed perfection with that game. If only it had the same gameplay refinements as 4, fuck.
>>345223141
They really aren't.
The Krauts get better the MG34 and 42 which are just better than the DP, and they get the MKB which is probably the best gun in the game. But on the other hand the Slavs get the PPSh and SVT, which are quite a bit better than the MP40 and G41. The T-34 is also miles better than the PzIV. The game is pretty well balanced asymetrically.
Slavs just lose most of the time because the long time players from the original RO are mostly wehraboos, and the people that only play Russians are kiddos who say Enemy at the Gates and CoD WaW.
that nigger is in the wrooong landscape
>>345225624
>good gunplay means maximum realism
t. an absolute fucking retard
>>345225669
You have to be pure subhuman to prefer vanilla NV
>>345224548
>>345224583
Samefag
summer in full swing
>>345224682
>Germans and Americans
>Americans
Confirmed for not knowing shit. Banzai charges, mines and Type 89s in semi-competent hands fucking destroy anything the Americans can throw at you.
If both teams are shit, the Americans will win.
If both teams are good, the Japs will win.
>>345225731
Yoo bad visually it's a weird foggy and soft image
>>345225582
there's this thing called optimization...
>>345225620
>doesn't even name it
>probably looks like total shit anywhere else
>>345225536
the game is close-quarters, so that randomization doesn't matter at all, it works as a range nerfer, which accounts to a weapon's usefulness
let me guess, you're below dmg?
>ctrl-f GTA
>no hits
>>345225885
optimization is a fucking meme
>>345220696
>fallout3 gameplay
>>345225820
I have no idea why you're (you)ing me because I'm not a part of any conversation you are
>>345224997
How do you know what semen looks like fag
>>345225797
>putting words in anons mouth
again whose retarded now? lol you cant even retort logically, must suck being over 20, still living at mommy's and thinking you are smarter than anyone you don't agree with hahahaha, ok junior
>>345225952
retard
>>345225908
With mods, yeah
If you're talking vanilla though I hope you aren't being serious
>>345225908
>GTA
>good gunplay
GTA V in first person mode maybe but not any other GTA.
>>345225885
>Dude just optimize magically so rendering a giant world at high visual fidelity doesn't require powerful hardware
There's arguments to be bad for arms optimization but not this
>>345225908
LOL
>>345219903
Seconding this. Bungie knows how to make a fluid shooter.
Also recommending Metro series, the gunplay is arcade-y enough to be fun but generally a few clean headshots will kill any enemies and the weapon variety and progression is great.
>>345225952
t. Bohemia CEO
>>345226004
Probably because I jerk off like everyone else? I also know what it tastes like because I tasted mine. Nothing wrong about it.
>>345220285
HOW DO I MAKE GTA LOOK LIKE THIS
I WOULD LEGIT PLAY THAT
FUCK
>>345224916
Cool, you turned the Mojave desert into an Eastern European shithole
>>345226015
>projecting
But at least you know all about shells and clips you little faggot, huh?
>>345225669
It's http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/55112/?
Feel free to judge it from the screenshots.
>>345226093
>>345226036
OK genius. Tell me how to optimize so a 2GB GPU can render everything at the same fidelity as close up and get 60FPs
>>345226060
Do you play with ironsights or without?
>>345225823
You are absolutely wrong. I have played many times with some of the best Japanese TL regulars in America on one of the most popular servers. And I have even seen Japs lose to a meh American team purely because of just HOW GOOD flamethrowers are for defense.
Mines rarely work and most of the time your team forgets to even plant them. Type 89'ers are no better than Thompson, the thompson is definitely better, also Americans get the fucking BAR.
Banzai charges work only with tons of organization. American's don't nearly need as much micromanaging from TLs to succeed.
>>345225908
>it's been mentioned like 20 times
liar
>>345225221
>Can't handle the Fiction in his Science Fiction game
>>345225536
Then how can pros compete consistantly at extremely high level? If it was random, then anyone could become a god by that logic?
The bullets go were you want them too, the game is just too hard for you.
>>345225785
I think 3/4 might have had more realistic sounds, but the way that BC2 simulated the audio blowing out when you fired weapons was orgasmic. I bought BC2 solely because I watched a video and fell in love with the sound.
>>345226189
Oops, meant for >>345225895
>>345226229
I don't play it but have tried it, with irons I think.
>>345226189
Yeah that looks horrible, kill yourself m8
>>345219313
arma 3, by far.
>>345220285
THAT'S NOT WHAT CENTER AXIS RELOCK IS
IT'S JUST A WEIRDLY YAWED STANDARD TWO HAND GRIP
CENTER AXIS RELOCK REQUIRES THUMBPRINTS PRESSING AGAINST EACH OTHER
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
t. /k/
>>345225902
It could have actual recoil instead of randomization. The backpedaling.
>>345225536
What? Every gun has specific predetermined bullet spread locations. And then it's magnified if you are moving or not crouching.
>>345219457
I absolutely loooooove the assault rifle in Wolfenstein The New Order.
It sounds so fucking chunky, it's amazing.
>>345226061
antiportals, lods, post processing, subtle distance fog, bam - game looks good and runs good
>>345226224
it does not need to render the same fidelity, you can't tell apart low poly 8*8 pixel distant tree from high poly one.
As you get closer lod models change and final one shows the most quality model
op screen has ugly sprite trees that sick out from the rest of the image
>>345221386
>arena shooter ... like cod
anon pls no
i get what you mean
but no
>>345226325
A tiny bit of rng is not going to destroy the competive scene, but it does pretty seriously undermine the point of 'skill-based' competition.
>>345226174
calling me a faggot and you have never shot a gun or know the correct terms of anything gun related, but you feel entitled because "muh guns in game, i shot them"
what are you trying to show here, that not only are you retarded but also feel proud to boast you know less about something and feel you have more of an input, jesus christ how delusional are you, lol gtfo and eat the lunch mommy made for your underage faggot ass, come back when you are old enough to pay for your own bills and actually have something of worth to say. Uneducated entitled neckbeard lmao,
>>345226161
The mod is inspired by STALKER after all
>>345226627
Arma does have distance fog. Thing is that image has DRAW DISTANCE turned up without having LOD max
>>345225772
ok how about tribes is TF for babies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuBjy4i2F1Y
>>345226719
wow your getting really emotional
>>345226262
So you played with trash players and the Americans won. What a surprise.
And when I said Type 89 I didn't mean the Type 100. Even so, the Type 100 has the best irons in the game and the slow rate of fire makes it much better at performing accurate bursts and thus more versatile than the Thompson.
>>345226721
I live near vegas and that's the most unrealistic shit ive ever seen. I don't know, even on overcast skies it doesn't even look like that.
>>345221301
>several 9mm
Do you know how fucking big a .12g slug is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftrCtOyLrmU
>>345226792
But Anon, TF is for babies and kids in general. Play a real game with some skill
>>345220541
>It's also funny because nobody ever brings up the weapons in STALKER all have the working parts on the left side of the gun.
You do realize they did this so that the gun manufacturers wouldn't sue their ass right?
Are there any mods that give F:NV decent or even good gunplay without totally overhauling how the game works?
>>345226792
god I loved this game so much
>>345226325
>If it was random, then anyone could become a god by that logic?
Obviously not because plenty of the game isn't randomization.
>Then how can pros compete consistantly at extremely high level?
With luck.
>>345226546
>specific locations
Plus RNG.
>>345221245
The only army that matters is the US Army
>>345226906
No, I play with good players on the most popular American server. It sounds like you play on a trash European server or something where everyone goes Jap instead of Americans.
>>345227141
>the most popular American server
>good players
Pick one.
>>345221245
>Live in AL a few hours from the only US Steyr distributor
>want to fingerfuck an AUG so badly
>>345226917
What do you bet they have this pic hanging in American kindergartens lol
>>345226894
better than being stupid
or showing how big your fedora is, like you, have you even touched a girl? I have a feeling even if you weren't fat they couldn't stand your superiority complex lol
>>345226432
I like it.
>>345224583
>Telling somebody to kill themselves when they tell you what proper terminology is
>>345226909
Can you read you fucking retard?
>>345227254
They don't, that would be as stupid as your joke.
>>345227087
so you post a picture of a european?
>>345225792
What movie?
>>345227373
Why would you want a game that takes place in Vegas to look like eastern europe?
What really bothers me about Stalker is how piss-weak the 40mm grenades are.
Too many times of hitting someone dead in the chest with one and having them shrug it off.
At least in OGSM (Or OGSE, I forget), the GP-25 was deadly as shit, and could easily wipe a squad of bad guys in a single round. Especially because the military guys usually open combat with a barrage of them, instead of rifle fire.
Way better than the shitty fucking homing RDGs and F1 crap that Stalker usually does.
>>345227254
lol
>>345226432
This one looks good when you turn off the shitty DoF.
>>345226979
im not talking about tf2 you shitter
>PINGReminder that MOHAA MP is still alive thanks to the gamespy fix
GUNSLINGER mod for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat
>>345227254
lol
>>345227262
please think about why this means so much to you
If you legit get upset at ppl over the internet then im not the one who needs an evaluation lol
>>345226719
triggered /k/uck lmao
did i hit a nerve, kid?
>>345227549
The DoF was meant just for screenshots anyway, most people don't like it and just turn it off when playing.
>>345227653
>NEVER EVER
>>345227519
Can you not just manually edit the game to make grenades do more damage?
>>345219313
My game
the only game I'm hearing has good gunplay in this thread is FEAR, everyone is back and forth about every other game mentioned.
>>345225690
>Day of Defeat: Global Offensive
>Ranked Matchmaking and Weapon Skins
>>345227504
Because fuck you that's why. That's modding for you.
>>345225731
>Be defender near some wooden wall
>Fuze and another asshole Russian recruit with 6P41s spray bullets down a hallway ripping the wooden wall to shreds
>Hearing the never ending hail of bullets nearby
>>345227746
As someone who has survived playing New Vegas on fucking console, that looks like absolute garbage
>>345227984
Ok.
>>345219661
I love this game
>>345219313
pic not related
>>345227907
Fear has good gameplay and fun AI but meh everything else
>tfw want to play rainbow 6
>brand new and clueless
>people just get mad at me
>>345228110
>Pick the generic guy
>everyone starts yelling at me
>I top frag and still have no idea whats happening
>>345227590
WHAAAT
>>345227456
You're god damn right.
>>345226719
Do you need some time to go to your safe space?
>>345228110
stick with your teammates until you learn the game and don't get in people's way
>>345222971
there is a console command to fix it
>>345225731
The sound in Siege is crazy.
How you hear a sound is dependent on how close the source is to you, but it also depends on the quickest path it can take to you without being obstructed.
For example, say you're in a concrete basement and the only door is to your right. Even if someone outside the room is directly to your left, most of the sound will come from the right due to the doorway. If the shooter shoots a hole through the wall, you'll hear it from the hole in the wall.
>>345228262
>wooden camouflage in the desert
>>345226262
Banzai is a huge advantage even when it's just one guy. It makes running out in the open actually pretty safe because it takes at least 2-3 shots of 30-06 to kill a banzaing Jap.
Really the only thing that's broken in RS is the flamethrower, which is because TWI didn't add the actual historical downsides of the M2. An M2-2 and an M1 Carbine + ammo weights as much as 2 MG42s, yet the flamer class runs as fast as a rifleman. Another thing is that the M2 in Rising Storm can just be shot instantly in tiny bursts. The real M2 had ignition charges at the end of the wand that had to be sparked off to actually light the gas being shot out.
You can see in this that before the gun can actually be shot the user has to trigger an igniter cartridge
https://youtu.be/aPQYK5ZMbWY?t=1162
But as it stands the flamer class can just sprint around and instantly zap any jap he sees with a 1/2 second burst of instakill fire.
If TWI actually was thoughtful enough to make the flamethrower slow as fuck since it weighs a good 70 pounds loaded, and made it so there was a delay before shooting because of the igniters, it would be pretty well balanced.
From what I heard the flamer in Rising Storm 2 is going to slow the player down a lot. Still doesn't excuse lazy game design in the original though.
>>345228705
>Italians in charge of war
>>345228674
TECHNOLOGY
>>345228674
It's not completely realistic. For example sound won't go through wooden barricades. The sound in Siege is good when it works but when it doesn't work it's extremely weird. Like if you barricade a door and there's an explosion on the other side, you'll hear it from the closest opened door to you even if it's nowhere near the source of the noise.
>>345225620
awesome, if you want to play Windows XP desktop.
>>345229125
You don't like colors?
>>345227497
Generation War
>ENB shitters coming in to ruin a good thread once again
Get back into your caves.
>>345230231
So? You're using ReShade instead of ENB? Big deal, they're basically the same thing you know.
>>345226313
but its supposed to be semi realistic, that would mean that the hide would be harder than concrete
>>345230520
... what ?
>>345219756
>7.62x39 clips
>no 54r clips
>>345221543
>tfw steamrolling filthy commies in BF3 with M60
man, Grand Bazaar was a mess
I like it
>>345227254
>i have no argument
>HA AMERICANS LOVE GUNS HAHAHAH
>>345230231
What's your problem with enb you fucking shit eating retard?
>>345228868
Hell yeah, nigga
>>345229460
He's right you know
>making a post apocalyptic game look like toy story
>>345224916
why is bethesda so incompetent?
>>345231863
My problem isn't ENB itself, my problem is the fucking annoying faggots spamming their shitty ass blurry screenshots fishing for compliments.
>>345232106
>it's another "nuclear erased the color" poster
>>345219457
>BFBC2 with "wartapes" option
>BF2: Project Reality
>Insurgency with INS custom weapon sound pack
>ArmA 3 With JSRS Dragonfyre/Eden
To a lesser extent:
>Payday2
>Red Orchestra 2 With "Immersion Overhaul" mod
Might be something I'm missing, this shit is just off of the top of my head. But believe me, this is something very important to me.
https://a.pomf.cat/nbmgqn.webm
>>345225792
>Generation War
Great fucking movie familia
>>345233231
Aside from the whole "oh no we were totally unaware that the Office- I mean the NAZIS were psychopaths, I swear!" thing
>>345232279
>people posting their images on an image board
>WOOOOW FUCKING FISHING FOR COMPLIMENTS
Kill yourself moron
>>345219313
>gunplay
please stop, this is not a real word
>>345232717
>it's another "I don't know the difference between color and retarded amount of saturation" poster
>>345230231
Source?
>>345232717
>"MUH ATMOSPHRE"
>nukes didn't even hit most of the Mojave
>>345232279
>people have posted like three screenshots to show off colors and shit
>cry about people "spamming" on an imageboard for "compliments"
Really dude?
>>345219952
>ArmA has good gunplay. Fuck off.
The only thing that could redeem the series is good gun play.
I could and have put up with the shitty menu scrolling system, disconnected animations, horrible net code and clunky every fucking thing.
but even the shooting is just so fucking terrible and it's the main point of the game, you shoot things.
If just THAT was good, then I could play the game.
I played about 200 hours of arma 3 because of battle royale. No more.
Compare Arma 2/3 to Insurgency or even Squad if you want something a bit more greater scale and you see how fucking bad Arma is.
Can we all agree that deadzone aiming is great?
Halo 5 has the best feeling and shooting guns i've played in a shooter
>>345233567
>>345233806
Your presets are shit and so are your shit screenshots just leave already.
>>345234064
It is, when it works correctly, like in Underhell or Insurgency. In ArmA is works like dog shit.
>>345234291
You're shit, just kill yourself already.
>>345234064
What's deadzone aiming?
I'm uninformed
>>345234291
Well now I just don't feel like leaving at all.
How about that?
Far Cry 2
>>345219457
Insurgency easily
>>345234726
I would love to play this game but it crashes every fucking time after the intro sequence. I don't even bother with trying to fix it because the intro is so fucking long and its more than likely to fuck up anyway and I'd rather be playing a game
>>345219756
What was the name of that mod where you basically spawned, got an objective, and had to kill guys? There would be different situations, and you'd spawn with different weapons.
>>345221245
So that was the noise I was hearing whenever I shoot a gun.
>>345226906
I do think that Jap weapons are pretty underrated, considering I got to rank 50 with just about every one except for the nambu pistol before reaching rank 50 with the Garand, but you'd be a fool to think Americans aren't at an advantage when it comes to weapons. They specifically design maps to favor the Japanese in order to make it balanced (Pele being an extreme version of this, Maggot Hill to a lesser extent).
Your team can have the most amazing mortars in the world but when papa Flamer and uncle BAR come out of their hidey-holes, nonstop pain will ensue.
>>345234726
Yeah it's pretty good
>that bolt action sniper
>that silenced click pistol
>>345219457
Halo 4 has really good gun sounds in my opinion. I think that's one of the things they really nailed in the transition from Bungie to 343.
Is BFBC2 dead on PC or still alive?
>>345236079
There are still some servers out there, not entirely dead
>>345234505
When the area you're aiming at isn't locked to the center of the screen.
>>345236237
>24/7 heavy metal and Atacama
>One team captures all the points while the other snipes from spawn
>>345236079
Its alive, and filled with no lifers whose entire existence is BFBC2
>>345219457
Killing floor.
Hearing an AA12, Lever Action, or Hunting Shotgun gets me rigid to this day.
>>345234939
Ubisoft are notorious for long unskippable intros/cutscenes. What a cunt of a company.
>>345236079
you can still play, I played some last week.
still the last great BF
>>345236079
Europe still has lots of servers
>>345234984
misery? You can pick your "class" as in your military training like sniper or marine
nobody mentioned this masterpiece yet?
shieet
>>345219756
>Stalker, if you want realistic bullet drop and damage
While it is rare games in general to feature bullet drop, the drop in STALKER is incredibly exaggerated to the point that you have to adjust your gun for enemies a mere 100 meters out.
>>345236691
>still the last great BF
>>345228705
Not as crazy as you think. It would still serve to break up the silhouette at a distance.
>>345230832
>2016
>not feeding your nugget SKS food
Fallout 4 ofc.
>>345233702
gta 5
Is there any game where I can enjoy glorious Brazilian firearms?
>>345239271
payday 2
>>345219952
>Agreeing Arma has bad gunplay
>Saying DayZ has good gun sounds
>All DayZ sounds are ripped from Arma
>DayZ gunplay is a laggier version of Arma
mate
>>345238610
>hammer also gently resets itself
Like did they just not care ? Did nobody do the bare minimum of research ? Did no one play New Vegas ?
I'm probably never going to play F4, and It feels fine.
>>345239271
I mean i've heard of Taurus making shit guns, but jesus
>>345239271
Max payne 3
>>345238889
LMAO
>>345239831
>Like did they just not care ? Did nobody do the bare minimum of research ?
They didn't even fucking do any research of the lore of the franchise. I heard that they just use the Fallout wiki to get their research.
>>345236237
>>345236516
>>345236691
>>345236831
>reinstall
>have to deal with EA's account bullshit
It says my serial key is already in use, when I've had the same email address for 8 years
fucking hell
>>345232717
>it's an "absolute realism is always the best tone no matter what" poster
>>345238610
>Fire 1 bullet
>Reload 5 shells
dude what
>>345236674
I just remove them altogether.
>>345242506
Bethesda being lazy shits as usual. Josh Sawyer remarked that while working on New Vegas, the team found that one of the toughest hurdles was coding looping animations (think hunting shotgun) in Bethesda's disaster of an animation. They did it anyway, of course, cause they're based and Sawyer is an autist about things like that.
A few years later, Bethesda has shown their remarkable ability to both fail to learn anything and have remarkably lower standards for their work, as demonstrated in this webm. In their """""""""""new"""""""""""" engine, they still can't be arsed to figure out how to code looping animations, so they just said "fuck it," and you have to sit through the entire animation to reload any amount of cartridges into the lever action rifle.
>>345242935
*disaster of an engine
>>345238610
the best gun porn I ever saw in a game truly a masterpiece t. not todd
Takedown Red Sabre
>>345234939
run in xp sp2 compatibility mode, it fixed all crashes for me.
>>345219313
Battlefield 3/4 desu
Is there a game besides Postal 2 where I can shoot civilians for fun?
>>345242287
Download project rome and play on populated servers for free.
Only downside is no garand.
>>345243101
>that stock
That's like putting a pistol grip on a mosin.
>>345245045
fucking hell.
>>345245045
>>345245831
>those teeth
He was doing him a favour.
>>345245045
>no blood
lol fake
>>345245045
Wtf? Source pls
>>345246861
kid stole drug dealer's gun and tried to sell it back to him.
>>345226553
They were loud, but not as loud as this
>>345219313
high school
>>345226708
its not random if you're within the intended range of the gun, there are guns like the awp that take care of the long range
bad company 2, hands fucking down
mainly because both hip-firing and ADS are actually viable. In other modern shooters, hip-firing is worthless because the accuracy goes up to shit after the first shot
>>345219661
There's an old weapons pack mod for Reciever that still works and adds things outside of pistols.
It's hosted on the wolffire forums or something like that.
>>345219661
I got 50 hours in this shit so my vote goes to this
>>345219457
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOVXQddOIN0#t=1m3s
gave me ptsd being shot at with this mod
>>345219313
Watch Dogs
>>345219313
Old Ace of Spades.
Dark Corners of the Earth
>>345219831
You are without a weapon. You can pick up a gun from the ground and shoot but most likely you'd have to check it first. Check your ammo, reload mags, deal with jam.
All of that is done with VR setup.
BLACK back on PS2 and XBOX HUEG.
>>345219457
Fallout 4 with the ambience and reverb overhaul, it sounds great shooting indoors.
I think the Far Cry series actually has good gunplay.
>>345219457
>>345219313
>nobody has said fucking metro
>>345238610
but that gun is a mod
>>345254334
It's above average.
>>345219756
>>345230832
>>345238013
>using a Nugget
>>345245045
I don't blame him for shooting that monstrosity.
>>345255218
HAHAHAHA KID DIED SO FUNNY
grow the f*ck up
>>345255629
Fuck off, moralfag.
>>345219882
Because they actually know what a gun looks, sounds and feels like.
Imagine trying to make a driving /racing game, but none of the developers have touched a car, seen a car or heard of one outside of Hollywood blockbusters. They'd fuck up all sorts of shit.
>>345246167
This. No muzzle flash or casing being ejected or blood. Fake.
Since everyones already said the standard Insurgency, Fear, Stalker, etc. I'm gonna say the Gears games. Even though I'm not a huge fan of them their gunplay has always been really satisfying since it's mainly based on positioning and movement instead of just getting the jump on an opponent. Also ever gun packs some sort of satisfying kick to it .
>>345221249
Stalker gunplay is shit compared to ARMA. I don't think ARMA has the greatest gunplay or anything, but STALKER is straight up garbage. I don't know how anyone could think it's even remotely good, how does it even happen? You need mods just to make the gunplay decent.
okay, but here's another question:
which game has best blood and gore?
it MUST have guns as well.
>>345245045
ivory thief
>>345246861
the kid stole the drug delears gun. Dealer shot him.
>>345221918
Hey, turns out in real life most engagements happen at those sort of 300-600m ranges, and you fire off thousands of rounds worth of suppression alone without necessarily hitting anyone.
Payday 2 got awesome gunplay, to bad it's very grindy and not that fun if you dont play with friends.
>>345256591
ARMA's ballistic is very realistic though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cix07R1vlhI
MGSV gunplay is very tight too.
>>345219952
>rainbow six siege
>decent gun sounds
it sounds like fucking airsoft
>>345256591
I don't know how you could thing ARMA has better gunplay. You must have a retarded definition of gunplay, probably think something like "realistic ballistics" make good gunplay. Shooting feels fucking terrible in ARMA and that makes terrible gunplay. Shooting in STALKER is actually enjoyable.
>>345256647
Soldier of Fortune, Fear, or Gears Of War. I would say insurgency since the impact of a shot is so immediate but there's really not that much gore it's just a really satisfying pink mist.
>>345219457
Firearms: source. I use their sounds in insurgency and they sound amazing
>>345222427
>Дaльтoн пoкинyл игpy
ЗДAPOBA PУЗКИЙ ШTOЛE
>>345227923
>Implying that wouldn't be fantastic
reminder
>modern shooter games are now making guns sound unsatisfying for realism.
>>345219551
I love arma but the gunplay is honestly hit and miss.
Only thing that feels right is standing in middle of the road with an MRAP speeding at you and you magdump the .50BW magazine of a type115 into the engine and insides.
RO2 as much as I hate the devs, has gunplay. Shooting the tokarev feels just like it feels irl
>>345219313
Squad
Red Orchestra 2
The Specialists
get fucked
>>345233865
>200 hrs of battle royale
So, you never do ops with a group, which is like 90% of the point of an ARMA game.
It'd be like playing 200 hrs 24/7 metro/Locker no shotguns no explosives in Battlefield, but 10x worse. You've almost been playing a different game entirely.
>>345234726
>deadly african water
>ARMA is horribly optimized and requires a community of 30+ people working together to be entertaining
>RO2 is also horribly optimized and is only hosted on super high-ping servers populated by russians
>Insurgency has source engine ballistics and only uses counter-strike sized maps
>PR/Squad have pretty much the same problems that ARMA does
I just want a somewhat realistic multiplayer game that runs well and doesn't require enlisting in a community of combat veterans to have fun.
>>345257702
>Shooting the tokarev feels just like it feels irl
>implying anyone on /v/ has ever fired a gun
>>345220285
Shooting at people in GTA V is so satisfying. Not the guns. The bodies.
>>345221116
God I would love this. They're making sandstorm and they've said something about larger maps (hinted at three of the current ones in one) but it would be nice to have more. That being said, it is more arcadey
I personally wish they would add destruction in sandstorm but it doesn't seem like that's happening
Nice Feeling Gunplay: Not realistic, but you'll find the likes of tripwire, ubisoft and activision, and some minors developers.
Proper ballistics: Usually simulators, ArmA uses an actual system which tends to piss people off because the hitboxes aren't arcade like.
>>345221248
>can't respawn if you die
That makes me really doubt if you've actually played the game
>>345219652
>Bad Company
>Good gun sounds
It's just a shit ton of bass and reverb. BF3 actually sounded like real guns. Sadly BF4 went backwards and had like the same two sounds per gun category compared to BF3's wider range of sounds unique to each gun.
>tfw playing this gem and masturbating to guns in early 2000s
>tfw can't play any modern shooters after because autistic addiction to gunporn
>tfw Insurgency, Squad are alive
https://youtu.be/o52V6JsjrJc
>>345258321
I think that's fine though, BC2 did a better job of capturing how loud guns are.
>>345221567
Lmao dude try sniping on buhriz for example
It can be very fun and satisfying
>>345258532
Except they still sound like shit. It also is jarring as fuck that guns sound several times louder than a fucking full blown explosion.
>>345257530
Ha пoлoвинy.
>>345258136
>That being said, it is more arcadey
That's what I noticed from the E3 trailer. It didn't seem to have the same slow paced and heavy gunfights.
>I personally wish they would add destruction in sandstorm but it doesn't seem like that's happening
Partially it's due to the Source engine that they're using. It's not exactly good at environment destruction as well as terrain deformation.
>>345258546
>Buhriz
Probably the only map where I used anything past 2X Dot, but even then 2X Dot is still a valid option to use if you aren't a scrub.
>>345219457
Underhell
>>345222427
Well of course you wouldn't use a 7x scope in that confined of a space.
Anyways, I always run makarov+extended mag and ap if I can afford it when I'm using a bolt action
You're not going to be able to clear objectives with the m40 either way
>>345257612
DIE_DIE_DIE.webm
>>345223336
>being this fucking wrong
>>345222461
>freeaim
>realistic
>>345257973
Rainbow Six Siege, my man
>>345258804
Why do they sound like shit? I was fine with how explosions sounded, they sounded like they were blowing your audio out.
That's what I like about BC2 that 3/4 didn't capture, guns sounded defeaning.
>>345259187
Is the netcode still shit?
>>345219313
>>345259217
3/4 had it where sounds in proximity cut out, are you joking?
BC2 sounds like shit because they don't sound like fucking guns. If you ever shot a gun in your life, you'd realize how far BC2 was and how much closer BF3 was.
>>345219652
War tapes was so fucking good.
I don't care what anyone says about the uniqueness of BC2 guns, war tapes was still an amazing mix that made the guns and explosions sound as powerful as they do in real life. Only thing close is RO2.
>>345223772
Only played it once and was offput by the graphics. I know that's not the virtue of the game, but damn did it feel like 2004
Also the ui is very meh
>>345221248
>if you die you can't respawn
You fucking kids are so spoiled
>>345224078
Go upstairs in the building in front of security spawn (push). You have clear view of the entire road and your only real worry is RPGs. Works best on strike though
>>345259520
I don't know what you're talking about with sounds in proximity cut out. You could hear things over shooting your gun in 3/4, you couldn't in BC2.
I've shot guns but always with ear protection, and the takeaway has always been that guns are incredibly loud. BC2 is the only game I've played that has ever come anywhere close to capturing that.
>>345219756
stalker has some of the worst gunplay and animations i've ever experienced
why most people on this board love it is beyond me
>>345259346
Yes but not as shit before hand but still shit. Eventually you just stop playing because you get bullshitted one too many times over a couple matches.
>>345223775
It's a shame they added a lot of gravity to titanfall 2 and took out the momentum bouncing.
I mean, I like both Titanfall and BO3 movement, and think they both work in their respective games (Titanfall is more objective based with larger more open maps, BO3 is more for getting from point a to point b), but one didn't need to change it to become the other (which is unfortunately what Titanfall 2 is doing).
>>345257973
>>RO2 is also horribly optimized and is only hosted on super high-ping servers populated by russians
You just have a toaster anon. I have a mid range machine from almost five years ago and I get 60fps.
>>345226141
get a PC and put the settings to very high
>>345227254
They should
>>345259346
Way better since its release
>>345259187
>siege
>realistic
>>345219952
>DayZ
>Lucky to actually hear gunshots, terrible damage model, incredibly clunky in anything tighter than an open field, horrible desync makes long range shooting a nightmare and largely luck based
K
>>345236079
vietnam is dead, unfortunately
vietnam > bc2
>>345260150
It's a meme at this point that STALKER has good gunplay.
>>345220724
>Wants a good damage model
>gives DayZ as example
>>345259187
>female swat
realism lmao
>>345260971
this.
women suck in any violent situation
>>345227071
>With luck.
>tfw you realize that the teams and players that have consistently been among the best in the world for years have just been relying on luck
There's nothing better than when you learn to be consistently lucky.
>>345224310
Not the anon you replied to, but lemme respond.
Yes, bf4's bullet drop and velocity are nowhere near what they are irl. At the same time, its a possibility a more realistic system would have changed the balance significantly in favor of the recon class.
Would be interesting to see though
>>345222561
>dat muzzle flash jpg
Truly unfortunate
>>345227907
It's a lot harder to argue whether or not a game has good gunplay when you can turn somebody into a mist.
>>345261312
On top of that consider that RO2's model for bullet drop is stupid as fuck because all the engagement ranges are so close it doesn't make it worth having in the first place (compared to RO1 that actually had long ranges).
What matters is not how "realistic" a system is, but rather how realistic it feels in relation to the game itself. Games never have proper 1:1 scale, so BF4's bullet drop and travel time "feel" right. Meanwhile RO2's bullet drops never fucking matter because you'll never be at a range (outside of being a useless fuck sitting too far back to be doing any good) to actually experience it.
>>345260953
>>345260368
>I have no idea how guns work: The Post
>Lucky to actually hear gunshots
Turns out, lots of bullets are super sonic. You know what that means? The bullet moves faster than sound. As in, it hits you before you hear it.
>terrible damage model.
WAHHH, how can someone one shot from 800m away?
The damage model (especially mod) is better and more interesting than the standard regenerating health shit most other games do.
The only bullshit is that some handgun rounds will do more damage than rifle rounds, but that's not unique to DayZ.
But, getting shot makes you bleed, getting hit in the leg breaks it and alters your movement, you can lose consciousness but not die, ect. And you need to get medical gear to fix that shit up, not just sit in a corner and take a breather or just spam bandages like STALKER.
Standalone has a bone stat that's sort of weird, but the mod was great.
I don't think any game has it right. Every time it's lacking something. Some games has best arcade shooting mechanics like Max Payne 3, but has no guns. Some of them have shit tons of amazing firearms like F:NV, but shitty game engine ruins everything. It's always something.
>>345260353
he said "somewhat realistic" and that's what siege is.
>>345260971
"somewhat realistic"
Siege ticks the boxes.
>>345238610
>>345239831
>tfw Bethesda can't even get the one aspect they focused the game on right
>>345261570
I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds RO2's ballistics to be really stupid. You can't even really see anyone at beyond 300m, and below that travel time and drop are negligible.
I wish that the game just used hitscan guns so the hit detection netcode wouldn't be as shitty.
>>345223775
Does that soldier has a fucking shemagh?
>>345219313
Fuck it.
Just play DOOM 1 and 2, Quake and Unreal everyone. Satisfying gunplay. Good gun sounds, image, power, movement, ect.
>>345226327
Fuck, I wish there were more games with the shell shock of close explosions in bc2
>>345224916
Fuck the haters, one of the best enbs i have seen in a while.
>>345241708
>tfw we'll never get a lore-friendly Fallout game again
>>345219313
Iraq and Afghan vet here. No games. Insurgency took pains to make realistic environments though.
The day a game gets the sound of incoming fire or incoming mortars right is the day I never play a shooter again. I'm worried about the BF1 IDF... but I doubt they'll get the whistle just right
Red Orchestra 2 has by far the best gunplay ever
>>345232027
wow its almost like looking at a dubstep cod montage
>>345261820
Eh, at that point it still would have been "Not Really Red Orchestra 2: The cash-in".
I don't care about how broken the game was on launch. I don't care how long they've taken on Killing Floor 2 for so little actual development and broken promises.
What I hate is that they've taken something they've been known for and appreciated for, and completely given that the finger to make something the old community wasn't asking for.
I don't care how good the weapon handling looks for Rising Storm 2, I'm not touching anything TWI handles until they go back to the large scale combined arms gameplay with meaty, satisfying gunplay.
>>345261820
>Hitscan guns
>in RO
>>345239831
>I'm probably never going to play F4, and It feels fine.
Go ahead, then. Millions of people are playing and will continue to play our products, so losing you as a customer is none of our concern.
>>345227590
>GameSpy fix
Wait what
>>345239831
>Bethesda
>caring about New Vegas/old lore/anything not made by them
They can barely keep their own TES lore right, let alone a franchise they bought to earn shootan-money.
>>345260953
not a valid refutation
>>345257131
>Shooting feels fucking terrible in ARMA and that makes terrible gunplay. Shooting in STALKER is actually enjoyable.
Shooting if fucking STALKER is awful, it's much better in ARMA. Hell, it's much better in Battlefield, Insurgency, RO2, Squad as well.
I don't get what people enjoy about mirrored poorly rendered guns that shoot bullets out in a giant cone of fire that is set for shotguns in other games, with piss poor sound, visuals, and animations. Bullets are retardedly slow and have drop appropriate for standing on a black hole.
Battlefield has bad velocity and drop too, but at least bullets go in the general direction of where you're aiming, I don't see them flying off like a golf ball in a hurricane like you do in STALKER.
>>345232915
>INS
Ok, although imo the FA:S sound pack is a better
>>345234064
No.
Not realistic and fucks up aiming
>>345234427
Stock insurgency doesn't have deadzone...??
>>345236424
>heavy metal
Fucking triggered
>>345239271
Holy shit
>>345262778
>Not realistic and fucks up aiming
How so, anon? Is having the gun plastered to the same place on the screen more realistic?
>>345259053
The problem is here that I didn't plan on having to sit in that tight spot, but due to my teams idiocity, as well as the sides of the map being completely closed quarters, I have had to move there in order to cover the open exits from where the attackers kept shooting our guys.
It would've been easier if I had some sort of alternative for the same flank to cover, but since I don't have, I have to just sit in a tight spot.
And yes, I always take the mac with AP rounds.
>>345259838
Yes, that's the spot I usually take, but even so it proves to be pretty pointless to use a bolt rifle, especially with a long range scope. Once your teammates start dying somewhere on the sides, you pretty much have to rush to protect the point. Where as in comparison, with RO2, the huge maps often mean more open spaces to protect and capture, so often you can take someone out, who's at the point or near at the point, I.E. MG or another sniper.
>>345262778
You can't aim a gun without turning your entire body and torso with it?
>>345221248
>Insurgency
>short matches
Push can easily go up to 30 minutes
>>345258948
They're using ue4 for sandstorm, thank god. Too many issues with source
>>345261636
He's referring to the bug where gunshot sounds frequently don't play for people near the shooter.
>>345263238
Yea, true. Unfortunately playing sniper only helps the team when the rest actually play the objective, its a pretty shitty feeling to leave your perch and try to get accepted into faze clearing enemies on the point
>>345263257
You would move your head. You don't rotate your gun independently of your eyes, its not at all accurate. I only see it being viable in games in cqc but the issue is turning it off for everything else.
I generally don't like it in games, but maybe that's just me
