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Starcraft:
>game built solely on micromanagement and mobile-game tier Eco management
>almost no base holding
>like 12 units for each of its 3 factions
>two game stages which I'll call "Zerg-rush" followed by "megalith spam"
>games rarely run over fifteen minutes
It was impressive for its time but it lacks the depth and complexity of a true rts
Supcom Forged Alliance:
Units:
>Over 100 different units across four factions
>four tiers of navy, land, and air all of which stay in play in different stages of the game
>air units have finite fuel supplies and must land to refuel at refueling station
>incredible diversity of units even within factions
>almost every unit is unique allowing dozens of different strategies to do anything preventing a meta
Economy:
>two different resources, one you can generate but one you must harvest from the map encouraging map control
>dead units/buildings can be harvested for resources as well as rocks and trees etc. across the map
>When either resource stalls you suffer a different penalty
>if you stop production of something or an upgrade of something all resources sunk into it are lost forcing you to actually think about what you're doing
Strategy
>four tiers of units (t1, t2, t3, and experimental)
>land units all posses different abilities (cloak, radar jamming, hover, amphibious, submersible, etc. )
>units trade health for firepower/range/speed/etc. so no two are the same
>air transports so your land units don't have to walk everywhere, but units may die as transport takes damage
>land units win wars but air units (bombers, gunships, giant laser UFO's) can provide support/weaken defenses/ take out key targets like enemy eco
>mid-late game shields to protect your base/fire basses/AA-battery's/ anything else you have,cut they're expensive to maintain and once they go down it takes a long time to go back up
>three tiers of PD/AA towers which vary greatly across factions
How is SC better again?
It's not
>>345211945
>Supcom Forged Alliance
Every unit is small and ugly as shit. At least wargame has some decent unit models...
>>345211945
>surrounding t3 pgens with t1 pgens
Why?
>>345211945
I tried playing supcom a while back, everyone turned up and rushed artillery. Every map.
>>345212356
Get a better computer. Here's a closeup of a t3 bomber
>>345211945
One is fun to play, one is not
Guess which
>>345212437
That was probably supcom2, it's normie shit. Normal games in FA are usually over before the arty-stage
>>345212495
Why do I see a bunch of small and ugly units on your picture then?
>>345212551
they're both fun actually.
>>345212551
Star Craft? Supcom is cozy whereas Starcraft is super competitive
>>345211945
supcom is a giant robot army simulator.
starcraft is a finely tuned competitive rts game.
i like them both for different reasons.
>>345212661
Because it's zoomed out
>>345212606
Oh. Is FA a separate game then? Shit, should take a look at it, the games were fun if full of fuckin' artillery
>>345212894
Yea and it costs about half as much on steam. You'll need the FAF mod to play multiplayer though since gasspowered games closed their servers for supcom2 which no one plays anymore
>>345212408
+0.25 energy per t1 linked
Generals ZH is the best rts, too bad it was published by ea.
>>345213153
What kinda mod is FAF? Is it the Captain's edition to FTL?
>>345213602
When the creators gave up the community took over. It's a rebalance mod, a bug fixing mod, a multiplayer mod, and they host the servers we play on. It's very active and apart from occasional connectivity problems it's great to have a game hosted by its own community.
>>345213907
That sounds interesting. I might take a look at it sometime, as I love mods made by the community.
>>345213332
ea wasn't always bad
>>345214426
Don't romanticize the past. It'd be better if we just forgot the good old times.
>>345213332
this. Sup Com had too high computer demands at its time. I think my current GTX 670 would still have problems running it. The game was also CPU heavy.
>>345213170
Pretty sure that only applies to power storage, going to need a source on that
>>345214426
>>345214672
wtf you on about? It was the different game studios that made the games good, not EA the publisher.
>>345214735
My Lenovo y50 has never had any problems on max settings even in enormous battles
>>345213907
If it's so balanced why is Cybran still OP
>>345215185
They're great offensively but suck at defense. Just target their power grid, their shitty shields won't save them.
>>345215185
They're able to do everything else the other races can but cheaper.
>cheap direct fire experimental
Monkeylord
>big tanks bombardment experimental
Megalith
>big flying experimental
Soul ripper
>rapid-fire artillery
Scathis(?)
>special omni tower
Soothsayer
Why do they get so much cool shit on top of all their stealth tech, it's bullshit
>>345215964
Forgot
>quick raiding assault bot
Loyalist (+misleading defense and emp)
>armored, submersible assault bot
Brick (w/ torpedoed)
>gunships at each tier
Jester all the way up to soulripper
>specialty t1
T1 bots can heal each other/ assist engi's
>>345216246
>>345215964
Forgot
>quick raiding assault bot
Loyalist (+misleading defense and emp)
>armored, submersible assault bot
Brick (w/ torpedoed)
>gunships at each tier
Jester all the way up to soulripper
>specialty t1
T1 bots can heal each other/ assist engi's
And their boats can walk on fucking land for some reason
>>345216246
>>345216347
All the other races their own cool shit too, plus none of that is really as good as it sounds. The Cybran are like the bootleg version of each other faction since they'll get outperformed everywhere
>>345216246
People only play Cybran cuz their units look edgy and their qt Russian generals
>>345211945
Ashes of the Singularity is the future of rts. Leave your shitty ten year old game behind and move on
>>345217343
Is this game actually gotten any good? I played it once in its beta but I wasn't too impressed
>>345217543
No it's not. Generals is more fun
>>345217543
The creators literally said they weren't going to make it anything like supcom so probably not
>>345216785
The cybran in vanilla supreme commander had a timer, if you couldn't cripple your enemies before the got significantly into T2, or your rushed monkeylord didn't murder the fuck of them, you basically lost the game. Your units were made of paper
with FA and FAF, it's still there, your units are tissue paper, but you have a lot of bullshit to make up for it, on top of everything costing less. Not to mention teleport/mazer coms for that personal, commander on commander fuck you.
>Try Deserts of Kharak MP again
>I realize it's fucking good
Why does no one mentions this?
>>345211945
FA has too much. There's nothing stopping ACU-T2 rush for an early turret turtle; and good luck figuring out how to match a skilled opponent's economy. It's not obvious if it's just overall advancement order per resource availability, but winning a game because you produced 5 engineers instead of 4 at the start of the game seems a bit ludicrous. It's obviously a MOBA snowball setup, and that's not really strategy. It's just learning exactly how many factories a map allows.
>Grey goo
>Goo faction doesn't actually absorb and spread over the map as trailers led to believe.
AYYY WHAT'S UP
>>345217789
After the fifteen minute mark I have to put my acu underwater for the rest of the game
>>345211945
>RTS General
Yeah thats a great way of making people participate in your thread by triggering players who play the same genre
fuck you baiter
>>345218053
Best unit
I hate how i can't mass produce them fast without getting a drainage out of everyfucking thing
But damn if it's sexy to look at them march into a base and rape them
>CLAKITY CLACK
>>345218054
Ground fired cruise missles can still get you, unless you're in the ocean. Lakes don't cut it. And god help you if it's aeon, because T2 torpedo bombers that don't suck.
>>345218210
"Bricks, the better Percival"
>>345218015
just the opposite actually, the diversity allows you to deal with all of that. That t2 acu won't fair too well against few cloud of mercies. Those early engi's wont snowball if they're taken out by a t1 bomber/light assault bot in the first two minutes. His awesome Eco will go off like fireworks if you can sneak a tac-missle past his defenses
>>345211945
starcraft games frequently run way longer than 15 minutes unless you're at the amateur level where everybody just rushes because idiots don't know how to defend it
also
chess:
>game built entirely around build orders with only 64 possible squares
>almost no base holding
>like ten units for two identical factions
>two game stages which i'll call "pawn push" followed by "queen spam"
meanwhile
go:
>etc.
you're comparing two completely different approaches and acting like one is inherently worse. a relatively limited design philosophy isn't necessarily a bad thing and can still lead to high level play with a lot of variation. more doesn't necessarily mean better. limits can be interesting in and of themselves.
Who /Wargame/ here? Anybody excited for the Israel DLC, I would have prefered Yugoslavia because BLUFOR has a bit to many nations and coalitions right now bit i'm happy for new units
>>345219038
That's true actually, each game does have its own merits. I would still say that FA is still the more complex of the two which goes both ways I suppose.
>>345211945
>People claiming starcraft is better
It's not but more people play it because it's released by Blizzard. If Valve made a not terrible RTS it'll be big as fuck too even if it wasn't good.
>>345219241
yeah, and that's fine. people have different preferences. there are things that are objectively better or objectively worse, but i don't think design complexity is one of those things, at least not on its own.
>>345219273
It's the league of Legends of RTS, it's supposed to be competitive not fun
>>345219153
Wheres the info about Israel? Is it only going to be them or are we getting a full arab attack expansion?
>>345218268
>not building 100+ t1 point defense around your acu and shielding him
>>345219153
Every time it goes on sale I question myself if should I buy it.
Well
Is there any point anymore?
>>345218268
Sometimes I hide an sacu in the ocean with a few torpedo launchers over is head and watch noobs try to assassinate him
>>345218987
>just the opposite actually, the diversity allows you to deal with all of that.
Except it doesn't: early specialization is of such variety, preparing for all of it (including checking his base, micro'ing units) while simultaneously trying to keep up an economy isn't feasible. Maybe there are tells beyond experience suggesting when it's OK to make more factories, but it's such a tight line that stalling or underproducing and getting the base shagged is the impromptu magnum opus of how awful the learning curve is.
AA is so simple that early bombers are completely impractical.
>>345216785
Yea, sure. That's why comp players a main Cybran.
Say what you will, but CoH2 VA >>>> any other RTS VA in both scale AND quality.
>>345220772
Both DoW VAs are way superior.
>>345220772
It's not even better than CoH1's banter wtf you on
>>345220872
not really. They are both equal in quality, but the unit banter in CoH2 is fucking phenomenal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB84ATAy3q4
>>345220468
All you're photos are from supcom 2 for some reason. My usual build for 1v1 is airfactory + 3 pgens, then I build 2 engies and an air scout. This way I can scout his base to see if he's ecowhoring in which case t1 bomber or otherwise I just use it mass produce engi's. It's true that how you start can affect the whole game in 1v1's between pros but in the vast majorities of games where it's 6v6 on some giant map it's almost irrelevant
>>345220995
Its subjective.
>>345221071
I don't play anything but 1-2v if plausible.
>>345220995
>WE ARE PANZER GRENADIERS, NOT A BUNCH OF MAGICIANS
> RECIEVED, ATTACKING THAT ARMOR... WITH MY RIFLE...
>IF A MOUSE FARTS IN THIS GOD DAMNED MINEFIELD, I WANT ITS ASS BLOWN SKY HIGH
>SIR ARE YOU FUCKING DRUNK
>>345220772
>>345220872
>>345220995
>>345221041
If you like tiny baby battles then sureDawn of War was my jam tho
>>345221247
2 is absolute shit and killed the franchise, this is a forged alliance thread
>>345221281
Been playing CoH with friends adn randoms recently, like, 2 days ago, and man it's fucking phenomenal as a game.
Couldn't never get into CoH2. It's just not the same nor different good.
>>345221281
>everything has to be shitloads of units clashing together with big explosions.
>micromanaging is hardThey are very different games, and I love them both.
>>345221271
panzergrenadiers had that hardened veteran soldier vibe going on.
>>345221408
I've played the second one and the cover system was awesome but it reminded me too much for that LotR rts I forget the name of.
>>345221408
Its pretty fucking similar, and at least Lelic actively balances it now.>yfw mowing down volksblobs with the vickers.
>>345221396
Not talking about 2 at all. 1-2v(1-2).
>>345221610
BFME/2?
god damn it, it was an incredible game that EA killed. battles were not decisive at all though
>>345221610
The animations are stiff and the sound is low most of the time. Also the explsions look worse? like how? Same as DoW2 overall.
I recommend greatly the first one. It's just a masterpiece of Relic's past. Sadly it won't get better than that. The genre I mean.
>>345211945
Anyone else excited?
>>345221794
I could have masturbated to that trailer
>>345221794
Not really.
>>345221794
>NuRelic
NNNNNNNNNOPE.
NOPE
NOPE
NOPE NOPE
Get Battlefleet Gothic Armada in the meantime. That's actually pretty sweet.
I just can't find an RTS with consistent lobbies.
>>345221790
They added a shit load more animations in coh2 though, from retreating squads holding their rifles in the middle to tank crews getting fried alive when their tank cooks up.
Agree with the explosions though.
>>345221794
Fingers crossed. I have been getting my ass kicked in elite mod, but boy is it fun.
>>345222098
sc2 is the only alive rts
>>345221041
>twenty minutes of dialogue for one unit
huh
>>345222278
Except it is t. Forged alliance has 200+ players online on average which isn't huge but it's enough to always have a few open games
What about 0AD, is this any good ?
Game is slowly evolving to something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YiBr3juY_4
>>345222279
just listen to it.
>welsh bloke calling his english officers assholes
>welsh bloke telling that his sister's a slut
>welsh bloke saying that it was either joining up in the war or working in the minesONCE THE WAR ENDS, WE ARE GETTING HOME RULE IN ALL THE VALLEYS.
>>345222431
coh2 has more players than that.
>>345217971
I'm honestly surprised how good it is too. doesn't have a lot of the little details but in general it's a fantastic game. I have no idea how gear box pulled it off.
>>345222098
>tfw playing TA
So fun, but the unit-AI/pathing is a little shitty (so is FA's.. pretty sure unit groups won't stay together and that units don't target single units / with any priority.).
>>345222431
Maybe on FAF, but I can't find a game because I'll start a lobby, and if I don't respond because I'm alt-tabbed, the slots just trickle in and out. Should have a messaging system.
>>345222226
I loved how in CoH1 tank crews are so smug against anything and laid back
And they have different voice actors and such, but making it consistent
>They're scratching our paintjob, Hermut! *evil laughs*
>>345222552
they brought the game from another small studio.
I like the way smoke interacts with the game.
>>345222639
CoH2 has something similar. the crews don't sound so goodexcept the brits"1 tank destroyer crew, smoked and slightly crispy!"
>>345222552
DoK MP is fast paced and murderous as FUCK though.
>That feel when you go fuck it and use the Carrier vs Carrier to cockblock the last artifact
>Mad Max "we are the desert" vibe
>>345212839
aka how you have to play the entire game
>b-but it looks good zoomed in!!
fuck off kiddie
>>345211945
>dat feel when Heron Guard returns in Myth
>>345222805
>*radio noise* We are Jagdpanther dammit... and we hate you.
>I think I heard your MOM calling...
>I don't care where the fuck i drive, i just drive!
>Shut the FUCK UP, INCOMING HQ TRANSMISSION
>>345223103
yeah. how can other RTSes even compete.tfw deinhard will never fart into the radio again
they even recorded that sound.
>>345212606
Original Supcom encouraged turtles. Used to be a lot easier to sit in your base, shield up and build a shit ton of metal generators.
FA made it way more expensive to make giant farms of mass gen, so territory grabbing became the norm.
>>345224510
Sub-T3 mass fabs are shit. It really undermines the game.
>>345213332
oh yeah definitely
it had the right level of charm and things weren't overly complicated
newer rts games have all fallen flat because they're just bland and lacking character and they have stupidly complicated systems that require you to do some reading beforehand.
>>345221790
Deinhardt, when we engage, I want to hear that G43 singing!
>>345226221
It was a pretty good starting weapon.
>>345221794
Was. The God-Emprah warned was that hype was the first step on the road to disappointment but we did not listen and paid the ultimate price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVItv0mc_ZI
I'm not the only one that remembers this right?
