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How do we fix horror henre?
>>345155734
less reliance on jumpscares and grossouts. More use of atmosphere, surrealism, and using the unknown and confusion to make the player afraid.
Oh, also helplessness.
I've long contemplated the idea of a game where you play as a badass parkour soldierand your guns do jackshit to them, enemies teleport and phase through walls.
More jump scares.
>>345155734
can anyone explain why are there a bunch of bugs congregating on that pole?
>>345155734
Who the fuck is Horror Henry?
by shooting it before throwing it off a plane
>>345156935
avoiding the flood is my guess
>>345156935
Their enviornment flooded and it was the only close high ground
>>345156935
probably fleeing flood waters
I've seen massive amounts of insects fleeing fires and such. Natural disasters kill them just as much as us.
>>345156935
apparently the area started flooding so they all climbed up the pole to avoid drowning.
>>345155734
grubs
>>345156935
thing cover pole dark warm under thing cover pole worm like make go under thing cover pole
>>345155734
>that small patch of pole almost completely bare
You don't gotta latch on anymore little worms
>>345157004
This is horror Henry and he doesn't need fixing in my opinion.
You can't.
The internet has made the genre a complete joke and devs went where the money is.
Jumpscare twitchtube cancer makes way more than actual attempts at horror.
It will never, ever be good or relevant again.
>>345156935
As you can see the area aound them is flooded, in this situation it was the end of the world for them. This is why they decided to meet on this pole and fuck eachother senseless before the unavoidable doom gets them. One last orgy. So beautiful.
>>345157323
somehow I can't see this being pewdiepied
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEE4yZgphFk&ab_channel=GameSpot
No more zombies
>>345155734
Imagine what this would look like in motion
Punish the player to make it scarier. Running into the monster or the wrong room or whatever triggers something that will mean even more serious repercussions further along in the game play but without seriously ramping up the difficulty to the point the game is unable to be finished
>>345157407
Centipedes are the best at the sex because they have a cock between every pair of legs
>>345157452
Oh yes it will. And there is a reason I said twitchtube cancer.
Faggots on twitch will go on and on about it til anyone that matters hates it by default.
The genre is dead for anyone who matters.
>>345155734
a-are the bugs ok?
>>345155734
Mmmm, protein
>>345157565
Do they have 50 dicks or 100?
>>345157665
they have one cock for every pair of legs so 50, but they have 100 testicles
>>345155734
I wonder how they would taste if you cooked them.
>First person survival horror game
>You have a single handgun and ammo is extremely rare, maybe about 20 rounds in total can be found during the entirety of the game
>Gun handling works like it does in Receiver, with every action being manually executed by the player
>This also extends to aiming, which is completely freeform, meaning you can even aim the gun at yourself which brings us to the main gimmick of the game
>If the monster kills you, it's game over and you have to start over from the very beginning
>If you shoot yourself instead, you can continue playing from the last checkpoint you've reached
>The gun can also be used to shoot the creature to cause it to flinch in pain and allowing you time to flee and hide
>Ammo used to kill yourself will not be refunded upon continuing
Basically, if you include threats in the game, they need to matter beyond a simple reload, or nothing you create can stay scary after the first encounter.
>>345157565
But Grimsby
>>345157653
Bear Grylls get of my /v/
>>345157049
What if there's a game where you can throw a man off a plane, but he survives and comes for revenge if you don't shoot him?
>>345157903
Why would this worm eat something that big compared to itself
>>345157903
Suddenly my penis hurts
>>345158027
rules of nature
>>345158027
Because now it's 100% full and doesn't have to eat again for a while "Henry"
>>345156865
Only works for some people, is the problem.
For others, atmospherics and nuance mean nothing, they'll just run through and complain its boring.
>>345157903
Why is it so hot
>>345157452
>somehow I can't see this being pewdiepied
That thing has like the most chance of being pied than any other game I've seen trailers of.
How do all those bugs live in harmony like that?
>>345158263
by eating each other's turds
I don't know if you can fix horror games. The genre is fundamentally broken because all it takes is you to develop an understanding of the mechanics and it is no longer scary. From my perspective it really doesn't matter how you structure the game because in the space of a few hours you've figured out how the game works and thus defeated the 'horror' with predictability. I think the only real way you could have a by and large legitimate horror game is to either keep the game very short, ensure that the monsters all have varying mechanics or extremely good AI to the point where it feels unfair. Resource scarcity and pressure are a must; the player should never be able to stop and collect themselves and should always be on the brink of resource/health starvation. Of course for most people this wouldn't be a fun experience so this hypothetical game would probably bomb and since I'm not a game dev in any sense of the word I have no idea how to balance it out.
>>345157786
Neat.
>>345157587
>The genre is dead for anyone who matters.
Horror isn't a genre. It's an aesthetic.
And Alien: Isolation was GOAT.
>>345158061
i hate that i'm going to see this reposted now
More short 2-5 hour experiences with unique gameplay and premise. Just like five nights at freddys, but don't fucking make a bajillion sequels because it ruins the point.
You see, horror is when you don't know what's coming. All great horror games like silent hill 2, alien isolation and amnesia are way too long. After a few hours you start to realize you're in a game, you stop being immersed and instead only see game mechanics.
>>345157903
I can fap to this.
Wait for my game to come out
>>345158349
AI was quite amazing at capturing the space 70s aesthetic
>>345158061
I'm fucking dying here anon
>>345158316
I see now. Society was doomed from the start.
>>345158396
Insects are so strange
>>345158396
OK but for real what is going on here
>>345158396
This has to be fake, that's like a radioactive shade of greenr-right
>>345158027
Because it's an american.
>>345158027
>not wanting to be a big guy
Fuck off TJ "Henry" Go Fuck Yourself
>>345155734
I still stand by the notion that jumpscares are fine in moderation.
It's also a huge bonus to jumpsares if they require to play your way out of them so you feel the initial shock and have to deal with it while desperately trying to save your ass.
Just don't make it the norm and you're golden.
Also between monsters are generally shitty.
Either have a monster so outlandish no one would even imagine it normally, or try to make it somewhat close to a real experience that could happen.
Don't pussy foot in the middle with a werewolf or some shit.
And obviously atmosphere.
Really drive home the fact they they are all alone.
>>345155734
That's not scary, that's fucking neat.
>>345157792
underrated
>>345158396
Worms are scary, anyone has that webm of a horsehair worm?
>>345158575
settle down, no one wants to get hurt
>>345158396
what the fuck
>>345158575
(You)
>>345158714
Looks like it had a parasite and it's leaving the host body.
>>345158694
dont reply to those dumb autistic reddit posts, you are just driving the quality of the board down
>>345158575
>>345158786
What had a parasite?
>>345158396
Let me guess. Its taking a shit.
Stop making fucking first person games where all you can do is hide from the enemies or stun them for a little bit and then go hide
>>345157786
>If the monster kills you, it's game over and you have to start over from the very beginning
>If you shoot yourself instead, you can continue playing from the last checkpoint you've reached
That's pretty fucking awesome.
I think the best horror experiences were when the DayZ mod first come out because you did not want to die because of all the work it took to find your gear. I enjoyed hiding from zombies as a fresh spawn and avoiding contract with other players. Firefights were the best as you had so much to lose.
>>345158914
The sickly green thing.
>>345158659
He could have eaten only a half
>>345155734
I'm just imagining a single centipede escaping to that block and slowly going to town on all the worms as they days go by and they look on in horror not knowing when they will be next.
>>345158585
Garish colors are actually pretty usual in nature. It's how prey animals message to potential predators that "I'm fucking poisonous. Don't eat me."
This is called aposematism.
>>345157786
>If the monster kills you, it's game over and you have to start over from the very beginning
>If you shoot yourself instead, you can continue playing from the last checkpoint you've reached
That's retarded. Fuck your checkpoints.
>>345156865
Atmosphere and the unknown are solid. Insidious was spooky af until I saw the demons and it became dumb af. When that one demon was walking the halls I thought it was the kid in a coma, wouldn't that have been spoopier?
There needs to be a horror game where its nothing but you running away from the kool-aid man.
>>345158916
That's a pretty active shit
make combat fun
>>345156865
>also helplessness.
Games are slowly returning to this. Frictional's games are the future of horror IMO.
>>345159108
>af
Please don't do this.
Make enemies grab you.
>>345159176
It's spooky cuz no one actually knows why they clump like this. It's a common thing though
>>345159176
That's interesting, are they fumigating the place or something? Why are they dropping off the roof?
>>345159074
I knew that was common in fish and reptiles and stuff, but that thing is just a blob...thing. I don't even know what it is, it looks like someone sneezed and it came to life
>>345159292
Cute
>>345159176
>people are actually scared of daddy long legs
>>345159292
Make enemiescuddle you
>>345159196
>buy a scary game
>it turns out to have really great combat
>forget that its a scary game and just have a great time fighting stuff, completely calm
I don't know how to feel about this
>>345159292
This thing is actually blind. Notice how it is using a feeler appendage to feel for the hand.
>>345158575
>>345156935
why are there a bunch of humans congregating in shelter?
>>345159176
why are there so many
>>345156935
Rumor has it it has something to do with flooding.
>>345158156
>For others, atmospherics and nuance mean nothing, they'll just run through and complain its boring.
Then they should fuck off, those are the imbeciles who ruined horror in the first place.
>>345159027
Movie? Show?
>>345159407
it can be both
>>345159176
>>345159292
That's actually cute
>>345159027
>game starts out with normal routine
>cleaning and dressing a fish
>split second later, webm happens
>In order to complete the game you must still go about your daily life each day to find the thing that turns out to be you torturing or killing someone
The novelty would probably wear off really fast, but the idea of watching something like that, to then switch over to you gutting someone and not realizing it could be pretty horrifying. Probably still not that great an idea.
>>345158575
(You)
>>345159375
>>345159537
>creature is scared for its life
>cute
>>345159292
Why is it trying to grab so listfully anyway. Does it have some ultimate move it can unleash if it hooks on properly?
>>345159293
We do it to keep warm
>>345159078
The point of the suicide mechanic is to be able to avoid permadeath, but as said, you can only do so as long as you have ammunition, and offing yourself obviously doesn't allow you to progress in the game.
>>345155734
The two biggest things that ruin horror for me in games is speed and power. If you can get away from enemies fairly quickly, then tension doesn't get to build. Also, if you don't need to fear death in a game, there is no tension. Having a gun with practically infinite ammo, that is easy to reload, running around shooting things is about the furthest you can get from a scary game. You can create the scariest atmosphere possible, and even throw in fucking jump scares, but it is meaningless in a run and gun game.
Another thing that games don't seem to understand is that solitude helps build tension. This means no second player, and not having enemies around every corner. I remember when I was a kid, I went into my uncle's room and played RE2. All I did was walk around something like an empty police station for a few minutes without anything happening in the game. I ended up getting so creeped out from the solitude that I turned the game off and went downstairs where there was light. When I played the beginning of the game being surrounded by zombies, I actually wasn't half as afraid as when I was in that police station.
>>345159637
I'll make you scared for your life, bitch.
>>345159656
There are better ways to avoid permadeath than retarded shit like that.
>>345159027
>reptile
Thanks google.
Why is Google Image search so fucking shit lately?
>>345158858
That's impossible since this board's quality is already the lowest of the low
>>345159497
Hannibal
>>345159637
Small flustered things are cute, what else is new
>>345159645
CUTE
>>345159507
Sauce?
>>345159643
They use those claws to catch prey and fight eachother. It's probably trying to intimidate the hand to leave it alone.
>>345159510
that thing can werf some flamen
Problem with games where you can't fight back:
>No challenge because failure just means restarting at a checkpoint
Problem with games where you can fight back:
>Usually not scary because you can just kill the monster
Solution:
>A balanced approach where stealth is much easier but failure results in difficult and terrifying combat sections. More consequences for death.
I think Alien Isolation had a good approach. You could temporarily fend the alien off if it found you but once alerted it'd be on the hunt. It was way easier to just be sneaky and the atmosphere was always tense.
>all these goddamn bugs and snakes
The planet would be a lot more comfy and safe without either of them. Much like the Romans removed all the dangerous wildlife from what is now Britain, we need to remove all the snakes and bugs.
>>345159773
>and fight eachother
This sounds dope as hell
>>345159645
That's actually kinda cool.
>>345159773
Its a nig.
>>345159721
Give an example then. After all, the point of this thread is to brainstorm ideas.
>>345159770
literally filename
http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Who_Dun_It
never played it myself but it sounds like a few Gmod games
>>345158549
>Worms
>Insects
Everyone knows they're arachnids, retard.
>>345159770
thats the doom mod whodunnit, ask about it in /vr/ doomgeneralits pretty popular and you can often get a game going if there isnt already one up
>Bought a PC back in 2012 to play all of the indie horror games coming out at the time
>Almost immediately after, all of the indie horrors become let's play meme bait
>Promising titles like Routine, U55, and The Hum are stuck in development hell
>Allison Road and others cancelled
>Among the Sleep and others were shit
>The Forest and others in eternal early access
>Vanishing of Ethan Carter looks good but it's retarded and unplayable
>Steam horror releases have slowed to a crawl, with soulless shovelware dominating the release feed
Only Dreadout and Outlast didn't let me down
>>345159292
if it catches you...
>>345158575
>>345159924
HACKS I CALL HACKS
>>345159821
>Dicking around in the intro of Alien:Isolation causes the ayy to show up before the first scripted appearance and rape you
Spooked me good
>>345159637
non-avians and non-mammals do not have emotions, anon.
>>345159645
I know the mantis didn't choose that coloration, but I'm still impressed with it.
>FUCK OFF M8 I'LL STING YOUR SHIT
>Please don't notice that I can barely walk
>>345159994
He should name his kid taco.
>>345159979
>routine
I totally forgto about that one. Shame, it looked dope as hell
>>345159378
>tfw you used to pull their legs off when you were young
fuck me, I was an evil little cunt
>>345159821
The balance is sorta lost nowadays as everyone is just copying the Amnesia formula that lets them skimp out on designing a combat system, ammo/supplies, and designing enemies who react instead of just making a AI that's just "run toward player". Throw in a couple things getting in your face and screaming and you get 90% of all horror games today.
>>345158061
I wish the text wasn't so cramped
>>345159305
If I remember correctly it's their defense system so it irritates or confused the shit out of it's predator.
>>345159497
hannibal
>>345159821
Condmned handled it fine. Wish more games followed and improved its formula, because they didn't they went overboard and turned the main character into a kung fu master in the 2nd one.
>>345158575
Here, just take the damn (You). Just leave them out of this.
>>345159993
Primates are shit, everyone knows this.
Humans were a mistake
>>345160113
Holy fuck what is wrong with you? the worst I ever did was squish ants but it takes a seriously fucked up mind to mutilate a living thing like that.
>>345158575
fair enough
>>345159742
>>345160169
Thanks.
>>345159924
>40 Insight
>>345160175
>Jumping spider
Those cuties can climb into my ear hole for warmth any time!
>>345156935
Your mom rode it about an hour ago
work with masters of the genre to make games
>>345157786
Sounds cool to me, but 20 rounds total would be stupid.
>>345160240
t. octopus or dolphin
>>345160175
I wish my ears were full of jumping spiders.
>>345160175
Not clicking dat shit nigga
>>345160175
NOPE
>>345160386
PUSSSSSSSSS
>>345160175
This is fake, right?
>outlast
>alien isolation
the genre is fine
>>345159212
amnesia machine for pigs was shit
>>345160175
aww :3
>>345159924
>tfw just going to the gas station is enough to scare you shitless
Fuck, spiders love making webs by the pumps. This video would probably give me a heart attack if I saw it in real life...
>>345159212
It's unfortunate that you used that cover to illustrate your point.
>>345158575
That wouldn't scare anyone.
>>345160335
Why is that? The weapon is not supposed to be an actual weapon (except when shooting the monster or something in the environment is a wiser course of action than shooting yourself), so ammunition should be considered to be like continues or tools.
>>345158575
>>345158575
you
>>345160243
>fucked up
Anon, it's a small insignificant bug.
>>345160340
Octopuses are the greatest species on the planet so go ahead call me an octopus
>>345160175
jumping spiders are so cute
ive found some and even took
pictures
>>345158575
zabinga
>>345159223
Lmao desu senpai kys. gay af.
>>345160481
I need to redownload that after my external failed, thanks for reminding me.
>>345160243
I can't wash the blood from my hands anon
>>345158575
>>345158575
Here you go pal(You)
>>345157903
fuck thats hot
>>345159637
>insects
>not hard wired nerves with no emotions
If insects had a fear for life flies wouldn't buzz around an inch from your face.
guys please reply to me. i'm so fucking lonely.
Horror games that focus on mazes and a monster looking for you inside of it scare the everloving shit out of me.
Also, SCP-087-B makes my heart beat faster than a motherfucker
>>345159891
If any of you played Steel Battalion, you would know about the whereabouts of that fucking eject button like it was your very own heart and soul. If you get your mech shot down in that game, you'd have a brief period of time when you could eject, and if you didn't, all your saves would be deleted. You could also eject at any point in the mission, losing your current mech in the process.
Shooting yourself in the face is lame as fuck, and is extremely counter-immersive for one. It's just going to feel like a going back in time mechanic as long as you keep a round available to you. Nobody is going to use that round on the monster EVER, since the consequences of doing so means that your entire save is possibly deleted. So all it does is give you a convenient quick load button for the moment the monster spots you. Terrible.
Compare that with Steel Battalion where each time you eject, you lose the mech in question and have to go on without it. Losing too many mechs (each one costs you precious resources to gain) means a game over, which again, is a loss of your save data.
>>345158575
k
>>345160583
FUCK OFF OCTOPUS GO BACK TO YOUR COCONUT
>>345160435
I've honestly felt a bit uncomfortable around people with hair like that my whole life.
@345160751
Here you go, my anon
>>345158563
the pink thingie is its proboscis. That worm basically projects part of its digestive system outside its body to catch and eat things
>>345157452
reminds me of a book where a ship goes through some space anomaly and is basically turned into an organic creature, and the humans inside either turned or had to try to survive the changed environment.
I feel like the game may follow a similar plot, and the MC is waking up after the conversion.
>>345160751
make an interesting post about bugs and I'll see what I can do
>>345160751
Please don't feel sad
>>345158575
i'm sorry!
>>345160751
Fuck off, faggot
>>345155734
What are the scariest monster sounds in vidya, /v/
>>345160729
>If humans had a fear for life humans wouldn't slap a bull on the ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w48mTYPtb28
>>345158575
(You)
>>345160958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcliVxN5EC0
theres more than two genders
prove me wrong
>>345160481
my dick is diamonds.
>>345157914
>i came back for you
>>345161018
>Penis
>Vagina
>>345160958
>monsters
Clicking feet like you would expect to hear from a giant spider.
>other sounds
Shit like a closing door in an "empty" building.
>>345160958
Not vidya but;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LnkMSmLc6mM
>>345161018
Male
Female
Spurdo
>>345157452
>it's gross
>that's just the game
>>345161018
GRANDMA WHAT WAS IT LIKE? TO BE ON THE HOLIDAY SITE
>>345160045
Octopi do.
>>345160819
>Used to know chubby goth with purple hair and huge tits
>Thought I had a chance because she was different than the others
>"She probably thinks Chad is stupid because she's so special, I love her"
>Turns out she was the town bicycle
>She fucked over 50 dudes before me
>But she wouldn't put out for me
>She went on to have a promising career of complaining about women being seen as sex objects
>She's now the bicycle of another town
I can't tell you how worthless it made me feel to know I'm probably the only man alive she wouldn't lay down for
>>345155734
this reminds me of that one episode where Timon and Pumbaa find a free all you can eat bug buffet
>>345158968
A meal's a meal. You can't only say it's half.
>>345160796
But if there are an extremely limited amount of rounds available to you at any given time, then that same dilemma is achieved after a few deaths. You simply run out of resources to keep continuing.
The only problem then is that it is an immersion breaker, but that is hardly an issue that couldn't be solved with some creative thinking. Maybe the checkpoints are beds, and each time you shoot yourself you jolt awake in the last bed you saved your game at, the whole ordeal you just went through being a nightmare.
>>345157792
50 vaganias, imagine.
>>345161140
What did the bird do to him? Asshole.
>>345161205
It's better not to have sex with the bicycle Anon
I'd like a horror game like Yume Nikki. That surreal old weeb 2d horror fibe it has is brilliant.
Do you guys know of other games like that?
>>345160048
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>345160481
>Shadow of the camera guy
Come on you had one job
>>345161205
Going to need more of this
>>345161193
They're also hard gay.
>>345160958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpDddF1MUZI
>>345159439
fucking leftist "refugee" enabling
>>345158575
no, fuck you.
>>345160481sauce please
>>345158575
(you)
>>345161143
Thats when you know shit is fucked up.
>>345159645
how did this mantis get that coloration? is there a species that can camouflage itself or is this just a coincidence?
>>345161256
>But if there are an extremely limited amount of rounds available to you at any given time, then that same dilemma is achieved after a few deaths
Why would it be if you go back to the previous checkpoint where you have the rounds again?
And if you lose the rounds despite going back in time, then that's even more retarded and immersion breaking, since you aren't even going back in time at that point. And in that case nobody would ever use the rounds for anything EVER, since they are worth hundreds of times more to go back a little than shooting the monster.
>>345160481
Video name?
>>345158575
(you)
>>345160843
I wish I could just spit out my stomach and have it attack animals
thats metal as fuck
>>345158575
bazoopers
>>345161575
>Anon where are you touching me
>>345158575
M8
>>345160556
THE ONLY GOOD BUG
IS A DEAD BUG
>>345161629
They seduce wasps into having sex with them before biting their heads off like other mantises.
>>345160636
What's the name of it? Please, it looks so good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0lPJdYlzmk
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wgqf2qkLxk
make a pretty good case about how resident evil 4 wasn't so much of an action game, but an innovation on the typical formula, which resident evil 5 took for granted, and instead of doubling down on the horror/terror, they doubled down on the action instead
the way to make games creepy again is to stop making them so easy and to stop making them so simple [go here and kill this. walk down this single corridor map and complete this single objective, marked by a quest arrow and shiny objects]
and don't be so afraid to be vague in what the player is expected to do
>>345161018
Male, Female, Cuntboy, Shemale, and Futa.
>>345158575
leave 'em be, sheldon...
>>345161638
If shooting the monster would give you time to hide until it leaves and then you could continue, would shooting the monster not be better than shooting yourself and then having to face it again with one less bullet, potentially having to shoot yourself again?
Knowing when to use a bullet to hinder the monster and when to use it to kill yourself would be a part of the challenge.
>>345161629
Mantids are extremely diverse and every one is specialized for a specific environment.
They mimic local predators and flora.
>>345157452
Didn't the devs of this game posted here a long time ago asking for feedback, posting concept art and stuff?
Good to know they didn't give up on it, trailer looks pretty good.
>>345161914
>he makes up three genders based on his fetishes
In actual spook games I usually start to get spooked by turning around corners or turning around. So I guess suspense is the way to go
>>345160958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5J7apoX9U8
>>345162043
Check your privilege
>>345161931
It would be better to simply have the bullets be useful for things other than shooting the monster, rather than this retarded idea of shooting yourself.
>>345161990
Oh that's just mean, it's a baby mouse and the way mantids eat is fucked up
>>345161341
larkin love
>>345160481
>watch video of Malena (left) exercise video
>inbM, how old are you? pink weights, yoga balls and crunches
>mfw she does a snatch
>bonder mode activated
>watch it again and notice something wrong
>she arches her back on the deadlift
0/10 boner ruined. Enjoy your snap city, malena
>>345162213
fucking /fit/
>>345162213
What is that abomination on the top half?
>>345161783I honestly forgot. I can't remember the name of the girl on the right. I'm trying to find it though, anon
>>345161143
I need more videos like this. Like the one where a guy in Sweden yells out his window and it sounds like a fucking zombie apocalypse
>>345159507
"murd is gay"
"Hugo is the best"
"Sexcellent"
>>345161673
Wait til you hear what sea slugs can do
Everyone seems to have forgotten about Layers of Fear but it had some very nice spots.
I know we have to hate it because of the P.T clone meme but it really was the best horror of the last 2 years.
>>345162142
Then how would you allow players to avoid the permadeath that the monster inflicts? Or would you not?
>>345162378
i'm listening
Any games like this?
Preferably 2d
>>345162330
That's sad. Thank you for trying though.
If you know the name of the girl on the left you could try checking the site that's watermarked on it.
>>345162443
has it released any new content since 2015?
cuz it never fucking changes and i can't complete the story yet, is the fucking story done yet???
>>345162213
whos the fat chick in the middle i want tocuddleher
>>345162462
I wouldn't. Non-permadeath is only good for games that have some railroaded story or shit that the player wouldn't want to do or see again, which would be some failure on the devs part.
>>345162330
what are you people going on about
>>345162573
>""""chick""""
>>345162647
there was a really goodlewdvideo
>>345162330
I just remembered all the fucking edits for this picture
this is part of a set right?
>>345156865
Why even bother having a gun if it didn't do anything?
>>345162662
the anime chick yeah
>>345162510
dotFlow, Ib, yume 2kki, omori is coming out at some point, cave worlds is like a 3d verion of yn if you care
>>345162510
>tfw Yume Nikki has been in my backlog since 2012
>>345158575
>My girlfriend
Lmao shoot that fucking whore make sure to hit the brain stem
>>345161225
that was part of the flashback episode right?had it on VHS
>>345162540
A DLC's coming out but I'm not sure what you mean. You can't lose that game. Why can't you complete the story?
>>345160853
What book? Sounds interesting.
>>345161783
>>345161505
>>345161651
>>345162538
http://www.madthumbs.com/videos/lesbian/aurielee-summers-good-girls-gone-bad-for-we-live-together-realitykings/1155419#
>>345158575
(YOU)
what's better
/v/ porn threads or /v/ bug threads
SPAWN MORE OVERLORDSSSSS
>>345162767
>""""""""""""""""""""""chick""""""""""""""""""""""
>>345162812
Sorry. What I mean is that I couldn't get all the story items that were in the closet/cupboard in the painting room
How are the corpse party games. Know where I should start?
>>345162898
well tell me who >she is then
>>345162489
This particular species (Glaucus Atlanticus) eats jellyfishes alive and stores their own venomous barbs to use as a defense mechanism.
>>345162843
You the real MVP
>>345157452
is this Giger: the game?
What is the best spooky music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY92NAdGaR4
>>345163029
hey coolguy
>>345162912
Corpse Party games are more for shock value, seeing SNES tier sprites and stuff kill one another with some creepy looking anime with hallow eyes and such loses its value quickly. Most of the gameplay is trial and error, like the little girl running away from the ghost part in the first game, wrong turn, dead, run into the bathroom, cant escape, etc.
>>345159292
Pikmin Boss.webm
>>345163029
It's not the full version by the way, so you might want to find a torrent for it.
>>345163075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kcF7E69C6Q
>>345157452
Gun makes me think of eXistenZ.
>>345162873
Cute and buggies combined.
>>345163075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxLB70G-tRY
>>345160478
Machine for Pigs wasn't developed by Frictional
>>345163171
>posting a mantis in a cute bug thread
Bring some moths next time.
>>345162623
Wouldn't the game become an exercise in frustration then? A stealth game that resets every time you fail a section?
>>345157903
>you were born too late in the evolutionary chain to be a mindless sack of aqueous jelly, indifferent to whether it lives or dies and simply operating on stimulus response
>you were born too early in the evolutionary chain to not be slowly and painfully murdered by nightmare creatures
>you don't even know what dank memes are
>>345157786
So, basically the whole point of the ridiculously low ammo would be for save states. 20 rounds is stupid depending on how long it is.
>>345163075
Everything from that whole OST period.
Yamaoka is a composer god.
>>345163254
Spooky.
>>345162873petthreads
>>345160516
Because then the main gimmick of the game is rendered a very minuscule gimmick. Why even put it in the game at that point?
>>345155734
My names not henre
>>345159292
I bet that's a japanese person that'sbuggingit.
>>345163295
?
How is that any different to what you are suggesting? And if the mechanics and such are on point and consistent within itself, it wouldn't be frustrating.
>>345157903
>you will never be swallowed whole by a smaller worm girl
>>345163254
I watched the whole thing anticipating a screamer/jumpscare.
Was not let down.
>>345155734
The problem with Horror games is they have no replay value and they are scary exactly once. I lost my shit more than once playing The Calling for the Wii.. but it was kinda meh the second time around.
I admit to puckering up my anus playing FEAR games.. but it was just a shooter game for replays
And maybe I might of shit myself playing DOOM3 and installed a flashlight mod to the SMG and Shotgun to get through it but it was a "enter room something spawns behind you and ahead of you" shooter
And maybe Fatal Frame was scary the first time, after that it was a CameraGun RPG shooter.
>>345160478
Both of those games are mainly
>run and hide in a designated hiding spot
>wait for monster to leave or get a jumpscare from the AI "investigating" the exact spot you hid and killing you
>repeat until game is over
Ayylmao has some combat bits but they're really mediocre.
>>345157786
>Ammo used to kill yourself will not be refunded upon continuing
what?
if it goes back to a checkpoint i should have the items that I had when I got to said checkpoint
>>345163381
never forget that konami always hated him and when they made the movies they credited all of his music to the american that mixed them down instead of akira
>>345158396
Thanks doc
>>345158061
You didn't even get a quarter of the replies you deserve.
The future of horror is VR. And the future of VR horror is Narcosis.
>>345158517
I remember when I first saw this video. Someone posted a youtube of the part with the bomb dropping and when I got to this part I started cackling like a madman
>>345163459
My suggestion had a way to avoid permadeath and only reset the section you have reached instead of the entire game.
>>345163273
Moths are good too.
But mantises have the best expressions.
>>345163570
Then you would be able to simply keep shooting yourself and the tension of possibly dying for good is gone.
>>345163604
>VR horror
nigga do you want to kill me
>>345163804
What do you mean? It's such a beautiful place
>>345163804
>have friend/family who knows you got a horror came for VR
>said friend/family dresses up as some type of monster and remains silent as you play your game
>player screams and rip off the goggles and you strike
While sounding cool at first, the VR fad quickly died out
>>345163651
Your suggestion is also unimmersive and undermines the threat the creature poses.
>>345163686
Best moth
>>345156935
It's called a gathering post.
I have one in my backyard.
>>345155734
Worms can climb things?
>>345163965
You can play Metroid Prime on it.
>>345160958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LjtSogs0qM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNSh-MJRwAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ZLjWKQauo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4jH0WeV67I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYTup2PFTEI
>>345163576
He at least got his deserved Producer credit.
But yeah, Konami is shit.
>>345161775
>tfw you'll never be seduced by a praying mantis pretending to be a female. . .er, wasp
>>345163985
Does it really, though? It might allow you to avoid dying for good that time, but it does not remove the possibility of that happening later down the line and in fact makes it more likely by reducing the amount of times you can do it by one every time you do it.
>>345159196
GAME?
>>345161990
is there any insect more FUCKING METAL than the mantis?
>>345156865
This, jump scares are so overdone they don't even make me jump most of time. I don't even play horror anymore because shits just cheap scares.
>>345156935
Multiculturalism
>>345164184
>Does it really, though?
Yes it does, by giving you a real easy way to avoid death, even if the resources needed to do it are rare. On top of that, it breaks the game tension completely by allowing you to simply "reload" to a spot where you are undoubtedly safe.
See Alien Isolation, you can lock doors behind you while the Alien is chasing you, but it will quickly run up into a vent and jump out somewhere near you, so doing that is only good for when you need to be able to hide.
More importantly though, and I keep saying this, despite you not having any comment on it but some "just pretend it was a dream" thing which would make it slightly better, it still breaks the flow and immersion the game would provide.
What about this?
https://youtu.be/Li5YQxI_WQg
>>345164517
where is the rest of this video?
>>345158061
This is some System Shock 2 level shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdoCJO0QniU
>>345164517
poor thing
>tfw arachnophobia and ophiophobia
>>345160853
What book anon
>>345158396
Kek. The parasite thought he was near a body of water and tried to escape, only to realize he's fucked.
>>345164205
Well, there is the bombadier beetle that uses chemical reactions to create a blistering liquid, but I'm not sure if that qualifies it as more metal.
>>345164517
So what happens when it runs out of shit from it's asshole? Does it starting yanking out it's internal organs, or is the pace slow enough that more shit respawns back into it's asshole?
>tfw everyone around you has an irrational fear of bugs and spiders
jesus christ stop being such a fucking puss
>>345164517
post the queen bee insemination one
>>345164904
It probably just runs out and they have to wait a while before strapping it in again and forcing more orgas-I mean webs out of it
>>345165031
i don't have that one
sorry
>>345165010
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING
>>345162894
fucking christ, nothing creeps me out more than freshly molted insects/whatever else, and it's not the molting process
>>345160048
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
>>345160853
shit, I remember this book too. The spaceship was an ark for the last of humanity. I can't for the life of me remember what the title was.
>>345165252
walruse
>>345160023
Fucking hell man it scared the fuck out of me
>hear from friend Alien doesnt fuck with you until after the tram ride
>looking around and shit checking out cool stuff
>finally amble over to tram
>just chilling
>hear it "Ha probably just trying to ramp up atmosphere"
>look to the left
>ITS FUCKING DROPPING OUT OF THE VENT
>HOLY FUCK
>FUCK ME RUNING
>duck behind trash can and play hide and go seek with it around the columns
>tram finally arrives
>make a fucking dash for it
>hit that mother fucking button as hard as possible
>alien probably 10 feet away as tram doors close
>this was not a scripted sequence
I was highly impressed. I feel like the inclusion of the working Joes in such high number detracted from the game though, and I felt that the guns should have been able to hurt the alien enough for it to fuck off. I also was able to trap the alien in an airlock system of doors with NO vents for it to escape, I secured it with a door lock mechanism and he just teleported out which was cheap. I feel like if a player is able to do something smart like that he should be rewarded. Put a cool down on the alien for a little while allowing the player to explore and gather supplies with their won time.
Id really like an Alien game with the colonial marines with as much love and skill that went into Isolation. Maybe take inspiration from the comics. Stronghold, Colonial Marines, and Berserk could easily be excellent video games. Especially Colonial Marines (the comic obviously the video game of the same name was shit)
>>345165031
No don't do that
>>345165252
Arctic water dog
Is real life not terrifying enough that you have to vicariously experience fear and dread through media?
>>345165252
food
>>345165367
>I secured it with a door lock mechanism and he just teleported out which was cheap.
or there were 2 aliems 8)
Add moreskeletons
>>345160853
>>345162835
>>345164865
>>345165318
Living Hell by Catherine Jinks
>>345165531
It's not 2011 anymore Anon
>>345160853
do you remember the name of the book?
>>345157452
This game looks like a H.R. "Hey Really" Giger wet dream.
>>345164202
Devil Daggers
>>345159212
>>helplessness
for me the only scary part is the suspense before the scary event. once i get found it's a fun game of cat and mouse.
>>345162835
bit late on the reply, but it was young adult fiction from awhile ago. I can't recall much else about it, and I really wouldn't recommend it, the premise is much better than the story, unfortunately.
>>345158061
underrated post
Devs that understand pacing, atmosphere, characters, and objects of importance to the player
One of the best recent horror games was until dawn, and that's because you wanted to keep the characters alive and you had constant fear knowing one of them could die to bullshit QTEs.
Hell maybe instill this feeling of bullshit in the player that they lose stuff when they commit mistakes. Make it feel like a common occurance but don't actually over do it so it's not unfair. If you give them a resource and take it away when they fuck up the player will naturally fear the loss of the resource right?
>>345165653
I don't get it
>>345165653
I don't get it
>>345163347
You could have lived those prehistoric lives and have been reincarnated into the life you live now.
>>345159742
I know I watched that movie and never saw this. Is this some directors cut version?
>>345165653
Looks comfy to be in one of those house
>>345165653
>you will never live a quiet life in a small town in the Japanese country side tucked away between the mountains
>>345165546
oh yup, that's it. thanks anon, you're a madman.
>>345165653
>narrow streets
now that's scary
>>345163075
https://youtu.be/aQSMD4p2jmQ
>>345165653
Look closely at the right side. That's not rain.
Also, on my phone and just noticed, that Blanco dev, he bought a fucking ad on 4Chan.
>>345165937
I live a quiet life in a small town in the japanese countryside tucked away between the mountains
>>345156865
This, I've been playing soma and it's been execellent so far, because if this.
>>345165137
I'm gonna need some sauce on that image son
>>345159212
Helplessness doesn't mean 'you can only run away from the monsters'.
It takes real skill to make a player feel truly vulnerable, without resorting to Amnesia invincible-monster cliches - but it can be done.
>>345165546
based anon
>>345166028
be my bf
>>345165252
Seadog
>>345166065
http://i.imgur.com/K9pJzDP.png
>>345166028
Ienvyyou.
>>345165614
Fear is eternal.
>>345166020
What is it then?
what do you guys think of Subnautica?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpEQWefFa2w
>>345165937
Literally my dream. Not even a weeb or anything, I don't like anime.
>>345166005
>>345166020
Can't see shit
>>345164683
The dream thing was just an example of how the problem could be solved. Hell, make the game sci-fi, the player character a robot and have the gun be an omnitool with a PDA on it. When you "shoot" yourself, your consciousness is uploaded into the PDA and sent into the latest server bank you activated, from which it will be uploaded to a new robotic body. Each server station has a limited amount of bodies.
The point is that it is a narrative problem that is easily solvable and isn't a gameplay issue.
>>345166249
All these good anons. This is the best thread I've been on, and I haven't even participated in the main discussion.
>>345159490
These are the same dipshits who keep funding the worst and stupidest horror films.
>>345166383
My computer couldn't handle it so I don't know
>>345166383
Nice for exploring but I dislike all this farming for materials.
>>345166383
pls no
>>345166286
Notice the way they all go in similar directions. And how they are in long lines...spider webs.
Also, seriously, what the fuck Blanco dev, we get it, you want Blanco to succeed, but he needs more time in the oven.
Remove all jump scares and over the top gore. Both are fucking boring.
Also, tell, don't show. Never show anything directly. Fuck, don't even tell, just allude.
One person might be afraid of spiders, another person of snakes; you will never scare all the people all the time with direct images of something "spooky". True abject horror is looking at something and not being able to understand what it is and being disturbed by that fact.
I run a panel on horror at weeaboo cons and have been for 7 years. I'm also a professor of media psychology and horror is one of my primary areas of study. I would probably fucking leave academe if I got an offer to work as a consultant on a horror game and tell these niggas what's up.
>>345166474
DELET THIS
>>345166383
this game does a good job with its audio to scare the shit out of me
i cant stop playing it though cause the exploration is fucking great
>>345160048
thanks for ruining my favorite fruit ass hole!
>>345155734
more games about specific fears and phobias, and less
>walk around a dark place
>oh no, your flashlight is out of battery
>turn around
>see spooky humanoid creature
>>345166474
You've got a mixture of bugs, deep sea, horror, and latenight going on right now, which isn't an environment prone to shitposting.
>>345162363
>the one where a guy in Sweden yells out his window and it sounds like a fucking zombie apocalypse
link?
Cute
>>345166609
What is the best horror game then in your opinion?
>>345158575
>>345158575
WHAT WAS THIS?
>>345160175
That thing has had more than enough time to lay it's eggs. Its too late for him.
>>345166450
webs
>>345165821
It's the show and I highly recommend it. First two seasons are all original content in the lore.
>>345158061
I don't have reaction pics on this pc but I'm fucking dying anon
>>345160478
Machine for pigs was made by the chinese room (guys who made dear esther and vanishing of ethan carter)
They removed most of the gameplay features because they said gamers cant focus on a good plot when you have good gameplay
>>345166697
Surprisingly, it still happens
/v/ is just a shitposty place
Getting back to the point of this thread, I would like to shill a game in development.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlBtP3-x_w
Also subanutica if you're scared of the ocean, if nothing more than for the incredible sound design
https://soundcloud.com/kamakazi/crabsquid
In my opinion the best way to do horror is to have it as a side element of the main game or to have it be atmospheric, I think the problem with most horror games is that they try way too hard to follow the 'horror game' formula with hide and seek bullshit where you can do literally nothing to fight against enemies that become more annoying than anything.
>>345166868
Man that season 2 finale was simply great.
>>345158061
May 19, 1998
Fever gone but itchy. Hungry and eat doggy food. Itchy Itchy Scott came. Ugly face so killed him. Tasty.
4.
Itchy.
Tasty.
>>345158575
jeez
>>345166983
Is this from eroge ?
>>345166626
i just got into it and i am fucking loving it
>went for a night walk
>got all fucked up
>look down
>pic related
>>345166983
>Driving down a hill with a light snow like that
True terror
>>345166090
Metro did this while having solid combat.
I mean, it was't particularly scary, but it wasn't a horror game.
>>345158575
(you)
>>345166609
>Remove all jump scares and over the top gore
Only Dead space does it correctly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrEBKzsiUa8
Skip to 3:04
>>345166791
I would say the Siren series is great. Also I like the Penumbra games a lot; moreso than Amnesia. More popular, Silent Hills 1-3 are all good in my book.
I like a lot of horror games, I just want shit like FNAF to go away. I have never been so bored in my life and I enjoy being scared so I go into any horror game all lights off at midnight.
>>345166696
post the comic
>>345163527
>Both of those games are mainly
Let me reduce your favourite horror games with that watered down retard summary too anon. Go on, post them.
>>345167015
The whoel show was great. I liked Armitage's Red Dragon in season 3.
>>345164202
devil daggers
>>345167140
True that homie. Dead Space managed to spook me mostly because of the ambiance building, which it does well consistently. In any other game or in a movie I would have yawned.
I should concede then that jump scares can work, but they don't in the way in which they're handled most of the time.
>>345158575
hold up partner.
>>345162760
to give players false hope.
If I were presenting the game at E3, I'd even present it as some essential tool of survival. And then laugh when everyone finds out guns do jackshit.
I'd also make sure the gunplay was high quality and there were plenty of guns and ammo to find!
>>345159176
>NG+99 Rom The Vacuous Spider
>You will never be a kid again and be scared by the most mindless and simple horror games
I somehow miss it...
>>345164694
>NISA
Dropped like a fucking rock.
with bf1 and the
>we wuz solders
why not a ww1 horror game?
you are a young, maybe underaged soldier on either the allies or the central powers tasked with night watch, and something supernatural is out in no man's land. there will be times where you will see the creature staring at you, and a prompt will appear to sound the alarm.
Group of soldiers will come running up to the trench asking "what is it" and all that, shifting the camera away from the being to your fellow soldiers, but as you point out the creature, the camera shifts back towards no man's land to see that the being is no longer there. You get briefly hazed and made fun of by the more senior of the soldiers as they return back to sleep. If you do this too many times the soldiers will just not believe you anymore and not come to your calls, meaning that your trench will become overrun by enemy forces at the end of the game when you actually try to call them out.
You would have to find some ways to frighten the creature before it gets too close, following a cutscene of your now paralyzed body falling backwards as you see the being float over you towards your friends, followed by panicked, bloodcurdling screams as it kills your friends
>>345166998
scorn has been mentioned a few times.
>>345167629
there's a WW1 horror-esque game where you walk around trenches but i forgot the name
i saw it on the WW1 bunnyhop video
>Friends say I would be a great Let's Player because I can't handle almost all horror games
I don't know why but they just wreck my mind and I scream like that little girl we all want to be.
>>345167201
I believe you meant to reply to >>345166474
:)
I like mantis's
>>345160958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYbiwFpqA4s
>>345155734
>walking simulator
>tank controls
>immortal enemies
>1-hit kills
>hide and seek
>jump scares
The Reddit Packet
Most horror games are awfully formulistic and differ only in the setting.
We need less gimmicks and more coherent game design, as well as less reliance on generic horror game mechanics and more focus on good gameplay.
>>345159292
snibeti snab x--DD
Spiders are bros. I mean come on. Look a him. I'm just wanting to be friends.
>>345167783
but im thinking of a fnaf style game that would be atmospheric and isnt a complete cringefest
dont get me wrong I hate the fnaf series but I think the mechanics of it is unique and with a darker setting it would be a hell of a horror game
>>345166621
>>345167849
fuckin posted an image from 2 bay 1 fox as a positive reaction image fuck fuck fuck FUCK FUCK FUCK
>nematodes
I look to SOMA as an example of a horror game that doesn't rely on jumpscares. The monsters are as horrible in concept as they are as enemies, and there's lots of existential mindfuckery
>>345157903
This is my fetish.
I wish it wasn't.
>>345166983
Isn't this the same town in Tamayura?
>>345168208
how did it got inside in the first place? This is so horrifying, i cried a little.
>>345168031
is he a fucking flight controller
>>345167201
>>345167849
Is it bad that I didn't really find that comic that disturbing but I'm still absolutely triggered by centipedes, worms and other creepy crawlies posted in this thread?
The jumping spiders are fine though. They're very qt.
>>345168382
i guess i starts out as a baby that hides itself in one of the foods mantis ate and slowly grew inside of him
>>345168472
the only thing he's trying to land is some spiderpussy
>>345168306
Could be worse.
>>345166696
>THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS CAVE WORTH DYING FOR! DO NOT GO BEYOND THIS POINT.
That doesn't make me want to explore even more at all.
>>345168306
>they didnt show oola getting eaten or a slave extra being tossed into the sarlacc pit first to show that Jabba meant business
Come on George, everyone knows the first half of episode 6 is just a fetish film
>>345165653
Is this the same street in the end scene of the movie chaser?
>>345158061
I don't get it.
>>345157903
>The worm coughs up blood as its being crushed.
>>345168759
That's its ass, actually.
>>345157903
Jesus christ.
>>345168208
I believe that is a horsehair worm
>>345168835
That is so much worse.
>>345158317
Then make the game unpredictable. Like, it changes it mechanics like crazy.
>>345168382
Horsehair worm. Burrows into mantis and takes control to force it into water.
>>345158061
holy shit im dead
>>345168545
sneaky, I really need to avoid eating food.
>>345168208
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bcj0Srt8i6k
>>345157903
>wonders of the monsoon.
>>345158061
It just seems like a bunch of worms trying to master mind a sentence
>>345168609
>this_is_my_hole.jpg
>>345160113
>pulling off legs
kek I crushed their legs and burned them alive in the kitchen sink
Fuck spiders
>>345169136
>And then a skeleton pops out
>>345167973
>hell knight death sound
>>345169136
what movie?
>>345155734
Make a pt-like that doesn't get cancelled
>>345169683
Resident Evil 7?
>>345169542
title says "Wishmaster"
>>345165614
I wonder who's behind this post
>>345157903
it must have eaten wormy!
I think a really good ai could do the trick, looking at the zombie master ai in left 4 dead 1/2.
For example, the ai tries to block your progress. Be it locking off your chosen path (stealing the needed key, forcing you to travel back to find an alternative route. Destroying the path completely or forcing you to take an alternative route that is far less safer than the one you originaly intended to follow) or sending out enemies that you can not possibly beat and either a) need to run away from until you find the means or b) eliminate it through world interactivity via lure it into some kind of trap (traps could be found already preset (need for speed mosg wanted gas stations etc. or build by the player)
Spawning different kind of monster, depending on the overall situation like: your health, your ammo, your consumables etc. Example: you have massive amount of ammo? Here are 4 enemies that are prone to dodging. Massive amount of health? Weak enemies that come in hordes etc.
Weapon degradation on top of ammo rounds could further improve the survival horror aspect.
A hidden stalker akin to bloodsuckers in stalker or slender man on top of the regular enemies. Make the ai vulnurable, make the bloodsucker be present as an indipendent, different from all other monster, higher intelligence that you can track down but, make it intelligent enough to be a threat for the player. It should be seen or hinted at, every time something goes wrong. For example, the door just broken down, you see it behind it, watching you, analyzing you, making you a plaything. It should not want just to kill you, but to play with you, use you.
Make the player the aiÄs tool. To advance further, you need to open up that door, behind that door are some monster that the ai needs to further play with the player.
etc, advanced ai is the key
>>345159292
You may think that the bug in this webm is entertaining but at that very moment it was fighting for its life.
>>345167091
Driving a motorcycle down a snowy hill
that's terror.
>>345166738
I assume the anon means this.
https://youtu.be/C_rttgtyigc
>>345171705
That's fucking disgusting and not to mention cruel, but incredibly hot too.
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