Zero Escape: Zero Time Dilemma
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This game is 4chan approvedeven if it's the worst in the seriesedition
http://www.strawpoll.me/10749209/
http://www.strawpoll.me/10670353
Vote in polls, post dank OC,shitpost about how good or bad the game was
>>345143591
>4chan approved
>>345143591
>4chan approved
>multiple polls in the OP
Might as well be a /vg/ general.
>>345143960
No thanks, I'd rather just let the threads die a normal death than turn into the next /ksg/. If you guys want that I'll be glad to make some "DO IT FOR KYLE" exercise charts.
is there no ingame hints for puzzle rooms?
>>345144434
Just tap the shit out of everything. They will spill beans.
>>345144434
>this fag again
How can you find this difficult? Literally the easiest fucking game in the series and half of the puzzles are re-used or ripped off from pop culture.
>>345144434
There's not a single difficult puzzle the entire game. The only difficult part is that you won't be able to see what the fuck you're meant to click on that tiny ass 3DS screen.
>>345144434
>needing hints in Zero Thought Demanded
>>345144672
>Zero Thought Demanded
>>345144672
>>345144756
>The complete opposite of what's required to make sense of the clusterfuck of the plot
>Perfectly describes the puzzle rooms
BRAVO UCHI
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>>345145039
>make sense of a senseless plot
Ayyliens, Mira is his mother, Carlos is the snail, Snake was involved in the car crash, Delta is Kyle's son, Phi is NBA player, etc...
>>345143591
>game shipped late by three weeks
>no watch even after three replacements
Amazon, not even onceI don't want the refund you curry-eating shit. If you're gonna give me a refund, do it for the $170 version you're trying to get me to purchase afterwards.
>>345145323
>Not sure if you agree or disagree.
Thanks anyway.
>>345145381
>people still don't know about the watch issue
What was your favorite new tune?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GveSKpeanh8
I'm still so disappointed by the ending that I'm thinking about filtering these threads so I won't be reminded.
I want to make love to Phi!
>>345145508
Are you talking about the staff or me? Because the call center did not get a memo. Other anons have reported already having the watches. They were selling them at AX for $50 from what I heard too. Plus, still doesn't change the fact I didn't receive my orignal game until earlier this week. I'd be even more pissed if I hadnt pirated it.
However, they're saying I'm not to be expecting any other items with my first shipment and insist that I reorder it.
>>345146460
>However, they're saying I'm not to be expecting any other items with my first shipment and insist that I reorder it.
Dan, Aksys's PR guy, said not to worry about this and that an order with the artbook, watch and OST will be automatically added to your list.
>>345145508
>people pay money for these shitty watches and actually wear them in public
So Sigma told Akane what to do, but which one considering the old one shifts back in the VLR ending and young Sigma only came back to April before being shipped to the Moon?
>>345143591
I feel like the poll lacked a 999>(VLR=ZTD).
All of you know that you are shitters, correct?
>>345146762
No-one wears them in public and they were bonuses for pre-orders.
What was the point of Mira and Eric?
>>345147076
We've gone off-topic.
>>345147076
I wish Wesker would call me a shitter.
>>345144523
>>345144640
>>345144643
>>345144672
>implying the transporter room wasn't clever
How did your impression of the characters change from the start?
For me it was
Carlos- Thought he would be an asshole jock type. Most of the game I just thought he was nice but kind of bland, then at endgame he became so dumb but well-meaning that it swerved back around into being endearing.
Akane- Expected to see the cold and calculating side that Uchi talks about, got her facade but none of the complexity beneath it and some dumb romance drama. Disappointing.
Junpei- Didn't know what to expect, got myself during my pre-teen tryhard phase when I thought I was being an "adult".
Sean- Expected Quark 2.0 with a larger role and some K mixed in, got a very sweet boy and daughteru material, would protect/10.
Eric- Expected crazy asshole, got that but also ice cream and memes.
Mira- "Oh it's the obligatory big boob character in every Uchi work". My impression didn't really change.
Sigma and Phi- Expected them to be great just like last game. Old Sigma wasn't as fun and Phi was barely in the game. Disappointing.
Diana- Expected her to be more morally ambiguous based on the concept art and being the one to unleash Rad-6 seemingly of her own will. Felt completely neutral towards her by the end, no strong opinion either way.Like and subscribe.
>>345147224
Mira was part of the simply unfair complex motives, which resulted in Sean dying. I feel like they were going somewhere with that, but forgot about it.
How to MINDHACK
>>345145785
Nostalgic Scenery is one of the most beautiful themes in the game.
I couldn't believe it was actually a remix of Extreme Extrication from 999
>>345147719
I expected Akane to be a cold hearted bitch like in VLR. I'm still not really sure why she isn't.
The problem I had with most of the characters was that their personalities weren't consistent. Junpei jumps between psychopath and nice bunny protecting child way too frequently.
>>345147256
Post vid pls I want to SHITT
>>345147224
Mira was the piranha in the koi pond, she also pretty much caused the whole series to happen. Eric was a tag-along but I guess he served a similar function by going on rampages and being generally unstable. The game really could have done more with them although I liked Eric.
If we are going to trace these problems back to the snail, why not go even further and say it's because Mira's mom told her that she's heartless.
That crazy kid was killing animals before moving on to her first victim, so who can say what would have happened if anyone else went down that road.
Also, the police must be pretty incompetent if a kid can get away with murder.
>>345143591
why OP is always a fucking faggot
>>345147917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU
>>345147945
>pond
Tank. Fuck, whatever they used in the analogy, I don't remember anymore.
>>345147224
Mira was the piranha in the fish tank full on koi.
Eric was there to put the heroes in a life-death situation with the shotgun and help them SHIFT.
>>345145785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzNS8Ah139Y
Best puzzle room song in any game hands down. 1:35 is fantastic.
>>345147906
>expect Akane to be a cunt
>she ends up just being a dumber version of her 999 self except she takes Phi's role to a small extent in that she's an instant anagram solver that explains sciencey bullshit
Shit sucked.
>tfw we never got cold, heartless Akane in that tight, young bod
UCHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>345147076
*shifters
>>345148036
Thanks, SHITTER
>>345147689
I enjoyed it, but it's only a substitution puzzle.
It really wasn't that good.
>>345147719
I actually liked Mira. It's rare to see a pure psycho character with no ~muh tragic backstory~ or ~complex motives~. She couldn't even into facial expressions or appropriate reactions, I liked that.
>mfw Mira's no personality was better than 75% of the cast's
>>345147689
I can't be the only one who tried to convert the base 10 number to base 13. It took me way too long to work out the real solution.
Anyone else think that the ZTD we got actually follows off a similar but different VLR timeline?
>"hheheheh, uh, yeah, if i keep saying 'we like this game' it'll be true!"
>literally 80% of the responses to the poll rank it as the worst ZE title
Who let Uchi make the new thread?
>>345143591
>>>/vg/
either create a thread with an actual fucking topic or fucking go to the right board
>>345148864
I had a dyslexic moment and was putting the wrong number into it even though I 100% figured it out.
>>345147689
The Base 10 puzzle was really fucking simple.
Unfortunately, there's absolutely no indication that you needed to click on the Nucleus immediately after getting the number.
Puzzles were fun but super simple, playing pixel hunter was neither fun nor engaging.
>>345148930
>new game's released
>discuss the game
how is this /vg/ worthy?
This certainly isn't a long-running thread
>>345148907
>you can't think a game is the worst in the series without hating it
>>345149074
>this isn't a long-running thread
i see this shit every hour of every day since the game was released and there's never a topic other than the game's name in the title box
it's a general thread
so it belongs in /vg/
>"Generals"—long-term, recurring threads about a specific game—should be posted in /vg/.
>>345148881
Yeah. ZTD and VLR are basically the same game with the same ending.
>>345149195
>>>/reddit/
>>345149195
Shut up fag. There's only ever one thread for zero escape vs. /v/ becoming completely designated for 1 game whenever a big release like MGSV or DaS3 comes out. Hide the thread and go to an e-celeb thread if you're so pissed.
>>345149130
You can, but if you've been in any of the threads you'd understand that the overwhelming majority doesn't like the game at all.
>>345149195
>implying ZE threads won't die soon
There is not enough garbage to fertilize a ZE general in /vg/. Things are already starting to get repetitive, it's the beginning of the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s29frJFlMpo&index=2&list=PLj-ru-1cx_tlMEbtwQ1V4-ATAkfXNHoyD
Infirmary was definitely my favorite. While I wouldn't expect the games to do this, I was thinking that the room could have a time limit and the pulse would increase over time.
It's the best kind of unnerving feeling.
>>345146903
Answer this cuckholds.
>>345149195
I can't think of anything more pathetic than being so pissy that you whine about a thread being up too often for your liking on this particular board in the year of our Lord two thousand and sixteen
>>345149415
>other threads break rules so i can too!
fuck you nigger
the only thing differentiating this thread from a /vg/ general is a number
you even have "____ edition" in the fucking OP
>>345149415
>overwhelming majority doesn't like the game at all
>poll results 72% of votes either "good" or "great, on par with rest of the series"
>>345148097
1:35 is pretty good.
>>345149415
>but if you've been in any of the threads you'd understand that the overwhelming majority doesn't like the game at all
Disappointed in it? Most likely. Doesn't like the game at all? You're bullshitting.
>>345148836
I didn't dislike Mira, I just felt indifference which is appropriate given her condition, I guess. I thought it was fun how quickly things escalated in the study though.
>casual exposition while scooping this guy's chest out
>sean just stands there watching
>>345149415
I shit on the game and it's flaws all the time, doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it overall.
This game was really short compared to VLR, and less interesting too, is the author planning on a sequel? A pure VN where everyone prevent the terrorist attack?
>>345149415
I like the game. Uchi's the one I hate.
Incompetent chink.
>>345150015
>ZE4 happens
>turns out the terrorist nuked earth to prevent it being taken by aliens
>new cast now must work with the terrorist to create a timeline where the aliens don't kill everyone
I can see already see it. Get oochie on the phone
>>345149415
>>345150193
/v/ is the last board that should be complaining about the catalog. The game just recently released, some of us got our orders late and are only finishing it now. It will die naturally in time, it's not hard to filter it until then.
>>345150485
lets add the concept of "survival of the finest" as the objective of the virus, and the theme should be why the weak should kneel to the strong.
Is anyone else really disappointed that the game didn't even come close to the grim atmosphere the teaser art had?
Pic related, the contraption in the art is so medieval and filthy looking, while the one in game is just some futuristic bullshit.
Even with the questionable graphics the game had, I think they couldve pulled it off a lot better.
>>345150485
>Terrorist was a "religious extremist"
>Zero the 4th goes on about creating a better breed of human and transcending ourselves
>Turns out heWas attemping to create this timeline over and over for the specific purpose of creating more espers/mind hackers/blick winkel phenomena through the epigenetic effect in order to create a perfect world where everyone is happy because they can seek their own perfect timeline.
OR
>Zero 4 claims to have one accomplice among them who will bring about the destruction
>9 different timelines, each one resulting in a different character being the accomplice for varying reasons.
That'd actually be kind of cool
>>345150485
>ZE5-8 are all focused on the aliens
>they show that the aliens had their own nonary games, their own crazy pandemic, and that their planet was about to be taken by humans
>ZE9 is about humans and aliens uniting against the true antagonist, the player
ZE should just embrace going full retard.
>>345151759
What will ZE20 be about
>>345151824
shifting to our cavemen ancestors and preventing the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs as to avoid the aliens that spread throughout the world from said meteor
>>345152085
>ungaigma's cungabunga is 40 ingas long but folds down to 22 ingas when not in unga
>>345151824
>ZE10-17 are all ARGs that pit the players of the game against the rebelling characters of the game
>the whole point of these ARGs was to make ZE19 playable, which involves using VR to go into the game and fight off the game's cast
>ZE20 is both players and characters uniting against the real, true antagonistUchikoshi
And ZE18 is a spin-off porn game.
>>345146758
Sweet, got a source? My game just arrived the other day sans watch. I don't mind that I had to buy another copy because I want to support the series
>>345151292
That is more of a systemic problem with teaser / concept art in general, and not just a limited case. But I'll agree that having already traversed the rather sterile environments in VLR, that having a more dilapidated look in ZTD would have been refreshing.
>>345151759
>embrace going full retard
one DR is more than enough
>>345144368
>my favorite character
>called "absolutely necessary" by Akane
>entirely absent in ZTD, barely even a mention
I am going to be a pissy, bitter fuck about this until the day I die.
>>345152808
Wasn't the "player" absolutely necessary? Granted the player doesn't interact with the world either
I thought Kyle went back just because Sigma didn't want to leave him behind.
>>345153119
>>345152808
>implying Sigma cared
Stay mad Kylefags. Erasing his ungrateful, faggy "son" was the best thing for Siggy.
>>345152808
>anon becomes Tenmyouji
>>345152542
https://twitter.com/Aksys_Danny/status/753048018111176704
Game arrived for me today via import too, hope I still get the bonus orders and Amazon doesn't fuck me over again.
>>345153119
Nah brah. Here's Akane at the end of VLR.
https://youtu.be/n2OPoGn-rGA?t=1266
>>345153323
>Dangan Ronpa images
Anti-Kylefags aren't even trying.
>>345152808
>trusting Akane
playing through Ever17, should I see the bad endings, or are they just "you lose" like in VLR and ZTD?
>>345154232
At least see You's bad end.
I haven't gotten around to reading the epilogue files.
What happened to Clover and Lotus at the end of VLR with the Schrodinger's cat shit?
Where's Snake?
>edition
Off to /vg/ faggot
>>345154308
They can send copies of their bodies back in time although they will still be stuck in the future. Basically >>345153753
Snake is singing in a cafe or whatever it said in VLR.
Has anyone else been autistic enough totry to write ZE4 concepts in their head?
>>345154562
Only every fucking goddamn thread I mean seriously are you expecting people haven't?
>>345153753
>wearing FtS robes despite saying she'll never go to the meeting we didn't see
>>345148062
>Mira was the piranha in the fish tank full on koi
This is a cool concept, I just think they seriously dropped the ball hard on how it actually played out since the whole killer on the loose thing was underutilized. Hell, most of the game's concepts were solid ideas but they were just underutilized. Like fragments with the sleeping beauty thing (the flow diagram made fragments pointless), the memory erasing, the shared wards, old man Delta (who didn't have much of a reason to even be there), and the mind hacking forcing characters to do things they didn't want to do (this could have been a perfect fourth-wall breaking thing about the player making dumb decisions to see the outcomes).
Ultimately all the pieces were there to make use of, but it was all just executed poorly. VLR set up a much bigger story than "you do what zero wants you to do" for the third time.
>>345154697
Delta said she would go and she did.
Also the meeting was on the day the reactor exploded, coincidence?
everything makes more sense if you assume Akane was working with Brother and lied with everyone, that's why she only sent part of the informationfrom the future to the younger one and all the lies
>>345154697
>apocalypse happens regardless
>Meh, might as well see what Zero has to say
Can we all agree that cinematic cutscenes were a mistake? They ate up the budget and completely ruined the atmosphere.
>>345154232
I would personally recommend thetsugumi-sora bad end
>>345154730
The murderer on the loose was shit. The "piranha in with the koi" thing doesn't really work when no one knew she was a murderer for the majority of the game.
>>345149771
>>sean just stands there watching
Well, anon. What would you do in Sean's situation?
>>345148062
>Mira was the piranha in the fish tank full on koi.
but no one knew about her and the timelines where she kills it doesn't have any impact
if she kills Junpei, Akane blames Carlos
if she kills the other teams she just leaves
>>345154867
>>345154885
I just wanted to see the fucking meeting since it seemed like it was definitely going to be significant. Almost nowhere throughout the series something like that was brought up and then just dropped.Kyle
Fuck Uchi
>>345154939
>>345154232
Ok. Is the Sara bad end also worth something?
It's so gay that when you reload an older save file after beating a route dialogue is still not treated as if you have already read it. When does the You bad and good endings brach out?
I was really hoping for the only way to stop Radical-6 would be to go back in time and stop yourself from saving Akane in the incinerator.
>>345155052
>Come and I wll show you the god of this world and its secrets
>no follow up
yeah, it was pretty much cockblocking
>>345154648
I guess not. Any good ones? I'm trying to go back to the point before ZTD actually came out and the franchise was full of possibilities. I can't SHIFT, so I need internet weirdos to spoonfeed me delusions instead.
>>345155145
>It's so gay
You're on /v/ and you just set off every homosexual here, which is most of us.
Your advice is over. Consider yourself fortunate that I don't spoil the fact that Tsugumi is a hologram.
>>345155196
>killing a little girl to stop a virus she has no knowledge of
Uchi pls go
>>345155306
>Tsugumi is a hologram
the plot thickens and so do I
>>345154995
Maybe shoot her with the weapon in my hands? Run away while she's preoccupied with her ritual? Just a thought.
>>345155354
I think it would fit more with the theme of the player being the one responsible for influencing the world.
But since they dropped everything in the ending of VLR it doesn't matter anyway.
>>345154232
Sora route almost made me drop that shit. I know it's hip to hate on it but it really does suck. If there's one thing ZE did better, it's the AI characters.
>>345155397
I think you need to recharge a crossbow after you shoot a bolt, the process is lengthy, boy probably didn't want to provoke the crazy woman, he'd be dead before he could load another bolt.
And as we know, he was too fond of Q to leave him alone with her, as shown in the Game Over you get when Q Team gives the other two teams an acid shower.
>>345155556
Killing young Akane would achieve fuck all. She's not related to R6's creation.
Maybe force Sigma to not save Dianaback when I believed he lost his arms/eyes like a hero instead of like a fucking retard.
ZTD is a fucking mess
>>345154981
This. There's no way for them to even deduce that there's a murderer because they're all on different teams and have no idea how other teams are dying. They also lose their memories every 90 minutes.
>>345155306
fag
>>345155908
But the emotional impact! This series already said fuck it to logic.
>ZTD is just Back to the Future "moral" choices edition
>>345155886
There was also a grenade launcher that he probably could have grabbed. I think she dropped her gun, too.
why doesn't Sigma know anything about how he lost his arms?
>>345156084
>serial killer getting her just desserts
>emotional impact
>>345156304
Play VLR.
>>345156775
>hurr durr le play VLR
don't post if you don't have anything to say
>>345157174
>spoon feed me please
VLR clearly explains why Sigma doesn't know how he lost his arms.
>>345157558
except that explanation doesn't make any sense
especially after the events of ZTD
>>345155196
Go away Living is Weird dev.
>>345157936
Nothing makes sense after ZTD.
>>345156186
speaking of grenade launcher...that don't shoot ending was retarded
>>345155886
He cared about all of team Q because they were pretty much his entire world at that point, I think he had to throw that sentiment away when he shot Eric but I can believe he was too shocked to do much when Mira just started scooping him out like a pumpkin.
>>345154917
I liked the cinematics but I missed the prose and how it got you into the heads of the characters (although I guess they purposefully avoided that since you are meant to be seeing from Delta's perspective). I think a compromise would have been nice.
>>345156304
He jumped out of his younger body when the experiment was over and Akane wasn't there but that doesn't explain why Diana didn't tell him.
>>345159801
If he jumped out who was in his body until young Sigma from VLR enters at the end of VLR?
I have questions. Please don't give me meme answers. I actually want to know:
Where the fuck is Alice?
Where the fuck is Clover?
Where the fuck is Kyle?
What exactly was Old Akane's plan to send Alice, Clover, and Kyle physically back in time to the good timeline? Did it involve the Transporter? Did she succeed? And if so, where the hell IS everybody?
So Luna is just completely fucked? That's it? End of story?
Why would Delta send Dio in the first place?
Why did Akane act like an innocent little muffin the whole game when she's basically supposed to be this jaded, all-powerful super-psychic who has viewed millions of timelines?
Why is all the animation so shitty?
Why did Junpei join Crash Keys after ZTD? They defeated Delta and stopped Radical-6. There is no point to the organization even existing anymore, right?
Who killed Left, and why?
So Mira used the transporter to undo her crimes? Doesn't that invalidate Eric's, Sean's, and her very own presence in ZTD's timeline? Thus ruining the events of the game and once again spreading Radical-6 across the globe?
So Delta saw the Morphogenetic field was indeed building in toxicity, and none of the good guys saw it important to deal with this at any point?
The game ends and everyone just keeps their Morphogenetic abilities? Does nobody else think that's fucking insane to have like half a dozen people walking around with crazy mind powers? This one isn't really a complaint but It's fuckin' weird.
So the game just cuts off at the end? We don't get to see any real epilogue to characters we've been following for seven goddamned years? Not even some snapshots of Junpei, Akane, Seven, Aoi, Light, Clover, Sigma, Diana, Alice, Hazuki, Maria, Carlos, and all their little tykes running around at the wedding? You couldn't give me ONE SINGLE IMAGE of fan service after seven years, three games, and multiple special edition pre-order watches?
>>345160030
That's when he jumps out, presumably to the end of VLR when Akane pulls out the knife. The plot hole isn't with Sigma witnessing/not witnessing the event, it's with no one ever telling young Sigma when he returns to his body. I guess we can't say for sure that old Sigma didn't know but it seems dumb that he'd try to stop the bomb already knowing the outcome.
>>345160764
I thought that Sigma jumped to the day the reactors exploded and that's also why he was surprised about the lack of arms and eye.
>>345160614
C O M P L E X
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Another thing that pissed me off was that everyone at Aksys promised it was 40 hours when it was barely half of that. Not to mention the fact that we had to listen to every line of dialog rather than being able to press X when we were done reading meant that the game had way less dialog than VLR did.
>>345160991
I meant young Sigma.
So if Old is back to the future who was in Sigma's body for 4 months
>>345161303
they were infected with Radical-6 that's why it felt like 40 hours to them
>>345161303
They said that? Those fuckers it was 19.
>>345160614
Who cares?
Who cares?
Who?
Probably, and who cares?
They can fax her too, but who cares?
To help Akane because muh piranha
Complex writing. They nerfed her powers, she can't see shit now.
Because voice acting was a mistake
R6 was never the problem. The fanatic is still on the loose.
Who cares? Delta doesn't give a fuck about him
Yes. Bravo, Uchi
Yes
Who cares?
>>345158716
Schrödinger's grenade launcher -- its ammunition exists in the quantum state of both "explode on impact" and "explode after timer."
>>345161373
What do you mean?
>>345161373
Just because young sigma spent a day in old sigma's body doesn't mean that old Sigma only spent a day in young sigma's body.
>>345160614
Alice and Clover are frozen.
Uchi dropped the ball with Kyle.
Akane was proven this game to be untrustworthy as fuck, she probably was disingenuous to them when she told them they could "go back" and just meant she could send transporter copies to fill the voids they left.
I haven't beat VLR in a while, is Old Sigma still alive at the end? If yes, then Luna is fine.
Delta sent Dio for the same reason he included Mira probably.
Akane was poorly written this game, all I can think of is that she hadn't actually done that stuff to such an extent yet and the VLR end was a precursor to her colder demeanor.
Budget.
Fanatic that will supposedly destroy the world is still on the loose.
Some thugs probably, it's not important other than motivating young Delta towards mobilizing his organization. Since Left was presumably young it probably suggests Delta admires something about children (like their purity), you can see with him building a robot of Sean which is similar behavior to the Left clone thing.
It undoes the games but who's to say what the outcome of all those changes are, maybe the terrorist never emerges at all.
Don't remember that.
Having a team of shifting superheroes was apparently one of Delta's """complex""" motives.
I think this game would have been better if it stopped bringing in old characters and fan service and just tried to be its own new story but that's just me.
>>345160991
Old Sigma remains in that body until young Sigma wakes up in the epilogue of VLR.
I'm going to marry Carlos!
>>345161303
Shitty things about ZTD aside, I probably wouldn't have been so pissed off if the game had twice as much content as it did. The amount of things that the finale to Zero Escape needed to cover definitely warranted 40 hours.
The incomplete package we got seemed to end prematurely on top of that, as if it really did run out of budget and needed to be wrapped up as quickly as possible.
Ugh.
>>345160614
Hell
Heaven
Lost. If found, please contact Sigma Klim.
Clover and Alice don't need to be part of the Decision game. There were already too many returning characters.
Diana is Luna, and assuming she doesn't spend too much time on the moon she'll be fine.
In order to mess with the AB project so that it would be a success so that he would be born.
She has to play her role in order to make sure the timelines happen. But who knows how much she really knew about DCOM.
Budget the length of Eric's patience.
He wants to stick his dick into crazy. Also there's the fucking terrorist to stop.
No clue. Maybe Delta for fun.
She's could've failed. But Q-team's ending is dumb, ignore it.
What?
I mean, Eric clearly thought it was batshit and I don't think he kept it. But if you have the crazy mind powers already, you're in company.
Budget. Also, do you want ZTD to ruin all the characters you've enjoyed thus far?
>on morning jog
>encounter a fork in the road
>a single solitary snail blocks your path
What do?
>>345162482
Pick it up and eat it because I'm French.
>>345162220
>>345162315
I mean, if that's the case why they act like they don't know anything about what happened at the mars experiment or how he lost his arms?
>>345162482
Is the snail Carlos? If so, fug him.
Is there a better maymay than Complex Motives?
>>345146762
After bitching to amazon I got 20 bucks in courtesy credit so my final bill for the watch edition was 12 freedom dollars.
>>345162621
The Sigma in ZTD is the young Sigma from VLR who's now old as fuck.
why didn't Akane or Diana earne him about the bomb tho, muh bootstrap paradox? I'm starting to hate those.
>>345162610
Sacre bleu you fucking sicko.
>>345161303
Somehow, I managed to completely forget about that. Certainly came nowhere near forty fucking hours.
>>345162702
Now whyand howwould you fuck a snail?
>>345163000
Yeah, that's what I mean. I know Sigma can't know these things because he has to experience them.
But there are other people that were there and if he had 4 months to talk to them he should have said everything to Akane.
After all wasn't he the one that told her to ship them to the Moon or was Akane getting messages from the future?
>>345162702
Is Carlos=the snail a meme now and are you implying that the snail was actually Carlos in a costume and that you'd just fug him instead of question it?
Wow
>>345162723
I don't think I have a favorite meme, I'm thankful for all of them. There are many things this game did wrong but at least it gave me laughs. I'm amazed Eric is only attached to one considering it's canon that the dude fucking cosplays.
>>345163225
>After all wasn't he the one that told her to ship them to the Moon or was Akane getting messages from the future?
I don't remember. It makes more sense for future Akane to contact her younger self, but Uchi can't write Akane for shit so who knows?
Akane could retain information from Sigma because she's a bitch, but Diana is too 'soft hearted' to do the same.
>>345163747
She might have told him eventually but that opens up the new plothole of why they would come up with the bomb idea when they know how it ends.
>>345163289
Yes, yes it is
This is probably my first post here after years of silence but this here poll restored some of my faith in you guys. It's not a perfect game and imo it's the lesser one in the trilogy but I had fun playing it, especially since I for a long time thought the game would never happen at all ("better than nothing" right). 999 and VLR hit me harder but this was a nice ride and complex snails and memes sort of added to that.
>>345164209
Please go back to lurking.
Is it possible that we the player are actually MIND HACKING Delta into MIND HACKING the others so we essentially are Zero?
>>345148097
Is this a VLR remix? It sounds SO familiar and I usually have a terrible memory for music
But why did he shoot the dog.
ITT: You SHIFTed to a timeline where Operation Bluebird failed and ZE3 was never released. What do you say the Zero Escape fans there?
>>345164610
I tell them that Kyle isn't in the game so that way they won't believe anything I say.
>>345164414
but Delta was able to mind hack even before this game, if it was the player he should only have this ability now that we can see his adventure
>>345164361
I will, you're mum is waiting :^)
>>345164709
I'm not saying that we gave him the mind hack, just that we're the ones controlling the mind hacking during the game.
>>345164610
I tell them aliens are involved in ZE3.
>>345164209
I feel you, guy. It did many things poorly but I'm still reeling that it was even released since I only found out recently, and I had a fun ride despite my criticisms.
>>345164552
To make the dog a shifter.The most common theory I've seen is that he wanted to minimize their reasons not to shift at the end and everyone liked the dog.
>In the future the world ends in nuclear war
>To stop this I'm going to kill everyone I possibly can
>Hopefully that will kill the people that start the war too
Fucking classic. Master plan.
>>345164610
I tell them that the game was worse than nothing.
>>345164610
I use the opportunity to release a transcript of ZTD as my own fanfiction and proceed to see people call it terrible and how many plot points is missing
>>345147945
What was great about Eric is that he's essentially how a person from the real world would react to all the crazy events going on through the game. His naive nature only further backs up that he is as close as we could get to how a 'normal' person would react in a situation like this.
>>345164414
They should have cut out the middleman and made the players the one forcing protagonists to do out of character things
It's be a much better excuse for characters like Diana giving everyone an acid shower. Just cut out Delta's whole "human choices are fascinating" and work in the fact that WE are the ones choosing every option possible, simply because we want to see what happens.
>>345164976
Normal people wouldn't do what Eric did in the game. He's a computer game character. He is highly unrealistic.
>>345165064
I agree completely. It would have been much more satisfying to have that happen and actually utilize the ? ending shit.
But we didn't get that. Thanks Uchi.
>>345165091
>He is highly unrealistic
How so? Keep in mind that most of the crazy shit he does can be explained by his fucked up childhood.
>>345164976
>normal people would shoot a grenade to a kid and elderly man with no remorse
American or Slav?
>>345146956
I wanted VLR>999=ZTD
reminder there is nothing wrong with ztd's ending
>>345164459
>Monitor 2nd Mix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1yVqJA3u4Y
post yfw Mindhacccc
>>345165307
That means he's a narratively supported character, not a realistic one. None of the characters in this game are realistic. Often times they have to act really fucking unbelievably stupid or homocidal for the purposes of plot and entertainment value.
>>345164976
I've seen some super in-depth analysis of Eric, I still think the game kind of squandered his potential but it's interesting to read.
>>345165091
"Normal" might not be a good word considering the things that drive his behavior are not normal circumstances, but I've met people with the same kind of background who were eerily similar including the hair-trigger temper, thankfully no grenade launcher though.
>>345165380
Open ending isn't a great choice for the conclusion of a trilogy but I do think people over-react to it, even though I had my own fit when I first finished.
>>345165091
>MY GFS DEAD I'M SHOOTING EVERYONE
>yes, very well, just let me explain how we transported here
>All right...MIRA'S STILL DEAD THO SO I'M GOING TO KILL YOU ALL
>ok but first, please shoot the wall
>So we were in the same ward all along? Pretty neat I guess, but if someone doesn't confess YOU'RE ALL GONNA DIE
>that's nice eric, i'm just going to teach Carlos how to use the transporter, ok?
>Ugh, fine. Aliens? You think I'm a fucking baka or something? SHOTGUN TIME
>[insert i won't die.webm here]
>Eric FINALLY shoots someone
I actually like Eric, but that was the most anticlimactic breakdown ever, he was so patient
>>345162723
I never thought this would happen, but I think I'm finally sick of complex motives as a meme. Probably my mistake tho, going on
ZTD was a mistake.
Who snail lamp?
>>345165581
Those are some nice examples. I'm not saying everyone, including Eric, doesn't act unreasonably stupid throughout the game. But of the characters, Eric is the one that makes the most sense, considering his background and the scenario.
CLARIFICATION 2nd MIX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNKLIZ26Eq8
>>345165719
I know the game meant for him to be childish and irrational but let's be real here, if people came up to you bullshitting a bunch of crap about transporting through time and swapping their consciousness through timelines, they would come across as conspiracy theorist-tier nutters.
>>345166459
Forgot to say This is the music I listen to when I read wikipedia
>>345154981
When I was translating the Q team scans I looked up the whole transporting koi thing. Apparently they need ammonia and they're actually delicate as fuq, so a pirahna would actually just stress them to death and then eat them. Thanks Mira
>>345166369There can be only one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnJt9p-sHho
"Motivos complejos", mi amigo
>>345166618
Mira's soulless expression and black fingernails make me excited
Has anyone else found themselves wanting to replay ZTD? I think I've been wanting to see how it holds up in the face of all the criticism without relying just on my memory.
Or maybe I just don't want the ZE magic to end just yet. I wasnt even mad at the ending when I finished, just felt kinda empty.
Post your crazy fanfiction
>Carlos is actually another Delta sent to the future from 1904 just like young Phi was sent from the past
>the entire point of the game was to give Carlos/Younger Delta the ability Shift too other than to Mindhack (wich will awaken later in life)
>>345167037
I kind of want to, but I don't really want the tedium of "vote c team" "vote q team" "press shower button" "dont press shower button" over and over.........
total snoozefest
>>345167037
I've been replaying the other two. Will replay when I'm finished.I feel I'll enjoy it more
>>345167070
>Carlos is actually Left
>Brother uses the ayylmao machine to produce a new copy of him every 10 months
>Dio is just a Carlos that got mindhacc'd
>>345166618
Just doing her job.
>>345167037
I started it last Saturday and finished it yesterday, and kept track of my thoughts the whole time.
After getting all the vote outcomes and such, I played through all of C's unlocked fragments, all of Q's unlocked fragments, and all of D's unlocked fragments, in that order, then made further passes in the same order to get the new fragments, until finishing the game.
Somewhere shortly before finishing with C team's initial batch of fragments, I pretty much settled on "this game is good but not nearly as good as its predecessors" and stayed there for the rest of the game.
Also, D team definitely got the best fragments.
Reminder that Mira literally killed humanity.
>Sigma spends all of VLR honing his SHIT abilities
>"oh no my shift connection's been cut"
What on earth was that? Is it cause Mira got the jump on him and "already dying" doesn't let you shift like imminent danger does?
>>345167287
Reviews said it was more meaningful in ZTD to immediately go back and redo your choices, than it was to redo them in VLR. That, too, was baloney. I liked the flowchart 90% of the time but it felt incredibly cheap to redo grave decisions RIGHT away. Especially the ones that didn't immediately Game Over. I wish I hadn't done it so often.
4 years.
Do you feel that fully animated cut scenes took up most of the game's budget, which caused the game to be the length it is?
>>345167647
>most people got this ending first
I can't believe Mira was EXACTLY what the trailers set her up to be. She was the character I was most interested in learning about. But no, you can get her big reveal as one of the first team endings (if not THE first) and then there's nothing more to her ever again.
I'm still sort of disappointed that I didn't even figure out the 4th participant. I can still remember what I didn't manage to put together.
>Screams in shower
>"Just like the old man in the chair" (I literally thought he was referring to some retarded Japanese folk lore)
>Eric asking the "old man" what he thinks
>Thought the 10 participant anagram referred to the dog or some shit
>Read Akane's remaining words and thought to myself, "you retard, that spells dealt!"
>The 4 endings for the standoff
>Picked up on every time the group referred to Sean as someone they didn't know
I think I'm actually retarded. It took me 15 minutes of just sitting down and thinking to work out where Zero was supposed to fit into the game after the reveal.
>>345167816
Yeah, ZTD's choices ended up kinda weird.
With VLR, I'd make my choices and ride all the way to an ending, good or bad, and only then go back and redo a choice. The only times I ever found myself redoing big decisions almost immediately was when they were very close to the end of a timeline.
With ZTD, you redo all the decisions pretty much immediately. You have every reason to, since the story fragment system means the narrative isn't meant to cohere anyway until all the pieces come together in the end, while VLR tells a coherent story that you can then run back through and change.
>>345168140
>Read Akane's remaining words and thought to myself, "you retard, that spells dealt!"
Was good game.
Jumped the shark at ALIENS DID IT and PSYCHOMANTIS tho.
Still, glad this shit was made. Had just as many hard hitting feels times.
After they stuck the babies in the pods I sat there and felt terrible cause that just meant in that reality all four of them were gonna starve to death shortly after.
>>345168140
I figured the old man in the chair was something they encountered back at DCom before the experiment, like some preliminary test or something.
I also spent a long time thinking that the fourth ending for the standoff was if Sean shot himself, deliberately sacrificing himself for them, so I was trying to figure out his name after "Q" didn't work.
I guess I must be retarded too.
>>345167836
Fully 3D animated cutscene actually saved more money.than individual sprite like 999.
Although if they went with VLR it could save more but VN in general has a high entry barrier in the west. They also had a very limited budget and staff comparing to the previous entries for this game.
>>345168140
>Read Akane's remaining words and thought to myself, "you retard, that spells dealt!"
Sean is too pure, holy shit.
>>345167037
I'm doing it now that my head has cooled off and I don't have false expectations. It's fun but it depends on your attitude towards the game.
>>345168342
>all four of them were gonna starve to death shortly after.
You can cook the babies and eat them. Along with Gab.
TIME TO DECIDE
MAKE YOUR DECISION
>>345168410
>Fully 3D animated cutscene actually saved more money.than individual sprite like 999.
wat. Why is that?
>>345168140
>>Thought the 10 participant anagram referred to the dog or some shit
>>Read Akane's remaining words and thought to myself, "you retard, that spells dealt!"
How did you not pick it up at that point?
>>345168416
>>345168252
I spent 2 days straight (only breaking for sleep) to play it. I did the same with the other two games.
Makes me fuck up on putting together the pieces.
Just finished game.
Honestly, 3 ending ago with the twins and what not felt like actual endings to plot lines.
The final 'true' ending just felt like a 'happy' ending that had to happen because technically that reality had to happen somehow.
Also lol at the faggot's that won a coin flip, were suddenly outside, then OMG BOMB.
That's about the unluckiest group of nobodies who never knew nothing there ever was.
>>345168693
One and done
>>345168342
>all four of them
anon...
>>345168658
Kill, marry, fuck.
Gab, twins, diana edition.
Kyle is in sigma's body.
>>345168880
K End
>>345168252
>>345168416
>>345168719
Not him but I did the same thing, I thought it meant "dealt" and Akane was fucking stupid and the actual anagram was something different that she was written to overlook until later
Though this was well before the name delta even came up
>>345168719
I'm pretty sure it's possible to get Akane to answer the anagram before you know about Phi and Delta.
In which case you'll probably forget about the anagram by the time you learn about Phi and Delta, and just miss the connection.
>>345168840
Silly anon, Gab won't starve to death.
They'll cook him WAY before that.
How do we know those are Sigma's kids?
Diana did apparently fuck her ex after they broke up.
>>345169354
You know for all the bullshit, Delta could have left them with like a hydroponics station or something or rigged the shit to open a little after 10 months.
You just need them to teleport your babby self to the past no sense in starving them afterwards.
>>345168765
Sprites are easy to create animations that are reused over and over. When creating a different scene that uses sprites, like 999, an already made sprite can be inserted in it.
While ZTD is indeed 'One and done', 3d animation takes a LOT of time. And previous animations that were created can't be used again (usually). For example, that scene that had Akane holding a chainsaw is fine, but it doesn't make sense in any other scene because there isn't a chainsaw anymore.
>>345167070
>The religious fanatic only comes into existence because of the Decision Game
Yes, it makes little to no sense. Doesn't mean I can't laugh at it.
>>345143591
Okay, I literally just beat it
Why is everyone so disappointed with it?
I think the only thing that let me down was how quickly the game wrapped itself up.
>>345169589
They need to believe they will starve or they won't transport the kids though.
If the hydroponics station is perfectly hidden until after the transportation, or the X door will re-open after the transportation, THEN it could work, but I don't know if even Zero is good enough to rig the transporter to only do those things if specific people get transported. It is, after all, alien technology.
>>345169589
>frozen potatoes
>tfw you notice that the animators were so incompetent that they couldn't even make held objects separate from the character models, as evidenced by the camera fading to black or panning away every single time an object is thrown, as well as Akane's chainsaw "falling" out of her hands without her hands actually being on screen
>>345169715
>Lagomorph in Hell
Did somebunny say "I want some tubocurarine in me RIGHT NOW"?
>>345170250
>400x240
>>345169634
An argument against sprites "reusability" would be scaling.
With the 3D models you could throw them at literally any resolution and be done with it. The moment you start arbitrarily scaling sprites, instead of integer scaling which may not work with ever resolution and maintain the presentation, the quality will go to shit.
>>345170278
>implying anyone actually bought a Vita
So quark will never exist.
Whatashame. Never gonna see brickhead lunatic child go on kill crazy rampage.
>>345169917
Well being stuck underground probably isn't that great either.
And given he can make a quantum goddamn computer, I doubt whipping up a "If Sigma and Dianna are only survivors, open X-Door after 9 months" command is that hard.
Then again Delta is obviously some kind of sociopath/flavor of crazy. I can't help but wonder if Sigma, Diana, and Phi could really accept him after that. Does Delta even WANT that.
>>345170471
Children, you mean.
Alright so... you're zero, right? Is that what they're implying when carlos, diana, sean act like the moved without their consent?
There needs to be more back to the future time dilemma OC.
Something like Delta wearing all black and standing in the corner with a walky talky watching Diana and Sigma doing it in the pods. Lagomorph holding the other walky talky telling him not to run into the version of him that's in this reality.
>>345170721
The name of that segment on the time flow is "You're Zero!" so yeah probably.
>>345170750
Where's the timeline where Diana tries to have sex with Delta?
>>345170870
Where's the timeline where Sigma has to punch out Phi who's trying to rape Diana?
So how many problems introduced in VLR could be solved, or partway solved, through abuse of the transporter?
Alice and Clover going back to their time?
Transport.
Quark wants to destroy the world by setting off a nuclear war with a terrorist attack?
Transport.
>>345171014
What if All-ice was just a botched Alice transportation?
>>345168112
I did Biolab first, then picked inject and it was pretty obvious even then. Although at that point it was confusing because I thought it might be the injection causing it but then she immediately showed up in D timeline and I could tell from her black nails right away. Then by the time I finally got to kill Eric in the study it was just "well I figured as much".
>>345147076
*Espers
Where did they go?
>>345168140
>>Read Akane's remaining words and thought to myself, "you retard, that spells dealt!"Anon, that's cute.
>>345170412
Just take your (You) and go
The esper stuff I can suspend my disbelief on but the alien stuff cameout of nowhere.
>>345171336
That reminds me, wasn't Akane gonna ayy lmao transport Alice and Clover to the past at the end of VLR?
>>345171708
It wouldn't have been so bad if they bothered to flesh it out a bit more.
I think the writing here was disappointingly lazy.
>>345170475
VLR timeline still exists, all the timelines still exist, even when Mira goes back and stops Eric's mom/Akane's parents/nameless surgeon and taxi driver/Sean from dying, the other timelines will still all exist.
The alien stuff didn't even feel like it was meant to be a twist, just an
>oh fuck I forgot to think of an explanation for this shit, better say it was aliens
Why won't Uchikoshi make a Q&A again? Is he waiting for someone to answer all the questions for him?
>>345170554
>Nintendo systems are for children
>Sony systems are for MATURE GAMERS SUCH AS MYSELF
Please don't tell me you actually played 999 for the first time on an iPhone instead of a DS/3DS.
>>345143591
What would happen if the budget that went to make Mighty No. 9 came to this game instead?
Better animations and a much better epilogue?
>>345172789
>Age = maturity
Whoa
HEY SIGGYYY! PHI-KUN! WHAT ARE YOU DOING OVER HERE? WE'RE ABOUT TO DISPLAY THE RESULTS!I sure hope you niggers didn't betray luna.
rip in pieces
>>345173430
why does junpay have long sleeves when he was wearing a t shirt
http://nintendoeverything.com/zero-escape-creator-on-origins-and-making-zero-time-dilemma-series-as-a-whole-more/
So uh
>>345173651
We got fucking rused. Delta was just a cover story.
>>345173651
Simply because they wanted to surprise the player in the puzzle room
No other reason
>>345173998
>>345173651
He had a jacket on in his concept art which got removed in the final game. Must be a leftover model that they never bothered fixing. I'm pretty sure it doesn't have long sleeves in the puzzle room.
>>345173651
>Mira what are you doing here?
>Why, I came here to give you back your coat, Junpei.
>Holy shit thank you
And then Junpei got hacked to pieces.
>I released deadly virus to kill 6 billion because I can't find one guy who kills everyone
>>345174116
Except it actually does and it looks nothing like that jacket
>>345173908
Should be "Now Imma blow this poppsicle stand"
>>345174406
If only he had something that could see all the different timelines.
>>345174673
Didn't he say he couldn't see all of them because it would take too much time or something? Maybe we're the entity that could actually see those timelines.
>>345174824
I bet it's that son of a bitch Sean hogging all the resources with his happy virtual life in one timeline. What an asshole.
>>345169715
i agree for the most part, but i'd switch diana and dio
At some point I learned to stop caring about the characters acting stupid and just embraced it.
Man, this was shaping up to be possibly my favorite in the series before I got to the fucking ending. I mean, why would he do this?
>– They wanted to work with the new systems, but considering they were developing two games at the same time, they didn’t have enough time and budget. In the end they decided to only make the second game (Virtue’s Last Reward) first, and waited to see its reception before deciding to continue the third game.
If the fag with the Star Wars analogy from a few threads back is in here this qoute from >>345173692 makes you BTFO. They never had them both greenlit at once. It was just concept. Like Star Wars
>>345173692
It's about what I expected. This was Uchi's conclusion, even if people deny it. And the bones of it (I imagine the delta is brother twist) has remained the same since VLR
>>345175686
It's difficult to boil the reason down to one word.
Can anons come up with a better plot device than aliens?
Here's mine, and I only have to look at the game and the prequels.
>Quantum computer in Dcom on 2029 sends DNA data of Sigma's babies to the biolab in the past. Dcom building already existed for a very long time and most of the facilities were already there in 2009.
The game states that the quantum computer can calculate outside of our realm of physics.
>Using the same cloning technology Sigma will later adapt to birth K, Phi and Delta were cloned.
No aliens and no space man Yugioh.
>>345177742
How is it sending the output? What receives it?
>The game states that the quantum computer can calculate outside of our realm of physics.
Virtually, I don't think it can materialize something from thin air.
>>345169715
ZTD Sigma>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VLR Sigma
>>345177742
Out of all the other possibilities, this is the worst one
>>345172789
But the Vita version is so much better than the 3DS version. Also 999 seems like it would work on an iPad, if they didn't cut out the puzzles.
>>345175686
Delta should have been a SHIFTer instead of MINDHACKS.
SHIFTers fighting a SHIFTer would have been much more interesting and would have required a far more inventive ending.
Although considering that I can't actually think of a way to make that work, since the enemy SHIFTer will always be able to just SHIFT away from timelines that don't favor him and thereby always escape, maybe it's better this way.
>>345178045
The biolab in ZTD had a baby sample, along with a penguin, fish and so on. I think there was also a computer in there, and in the other rooms too.
>Computer receives download file from quantum computer from the future
>Dcom staff who are still building the quantum computer in the past decode it and clone two children as part of the mars experiment
Done. Its more believable than aliens, and if Sigma can do it using the Mars team's stuff in VLR, so can the Mars team.
I still want tosaveNewscaster.
>>345178224
Is...this bait or an actual opinion? I can't tell.
>>345178809
It's an actual opinion and here is a followupDio is shit
Hot new OC coming through
>>345178563
That's still awful. Just imagine that the aliens are actually ancient shifters. Job done
>>345178916
Remove the generator tag and you're golden.
>>345178313
HOW is the Vita version better outside of save bug and grafix resolution?
999 was released for DS. VLR and ZTD were released for 3DS. You can play the entire series on one machine, AND you don't have to rub your dirty fingers all over the touchscreen because STYLUS BITCH.
Also, VLR and ZTD both take advantage of the fact that with two screens, you can spread UI elements out more and not clutter any one screen too much.That, and the 3DS actually has other games too, unlike the Vita.
>>345178563
A quantum computer in 1904 is more believable to you? To each their own, I guess. And that still doesn't explain how the data is transferred from virtual space to reality, what is this cloning device you're talking about?
Zero Time Dilemma's Last Reward is being able to understand all of the memes and jokes that people have been making about it.
>>345178890
Here is my question to you: why and how is ZTD Sigma superior to VLR Sigma personality-wise?
Post your favorite moments in the franchise
>Tu fui, ego eris
>As you are, I was
>As I am, you will be
>>345178224
I'm very very certain that VLR >>>>>>>>> ZTD as far as the games go.
But as far as comparing Sigmas goes, I'm very very certain that you're absolutely, entirely, completely and utterlyright.
>>345179302
>I pray that one day, our world can be cleansed of this horrible plague.
>Goodbye.
>>345179013
Go meet a snail. That's the same as aliens.
The reason the transporter and aliens are bad is because there could be hundreds of Hitlers all over the timelines since it was in Germany's hands until WW2 ended.
>>345179131
2009. Make Delta old as a result of a bad clone. Same with Phi's hair. You've seen this in Metal Gear. Even Kojima didn't aliens.
>>345179046
I compromised
>>345179471
Even better. Gold star.
>>345179471
You play a dirty game.I like it.
>>345177163
I don't think anything from this game was planned in advance considering how it all just completely falls apart the minute you take a closer look at it. Fucking Phi suddenly having red hair for the most retarded plot twist I've ever seen was absolute bullshit.
>>345179398
>The reason the transporter and aliens are bad is because there could be hundreds of Hitlers all over the timelines since it was in Germany's hands until WW2 ended.
I'm sure Uchi intended exactly this. Hitler transported to another timeline, then the original killed himself. In some other timeline, Hitler emerged from the pod and found some way to win.
The fact that the transporter exists makes it possible for an incredible number of entirely abominable futures to happen, as Zero Time Dilemma itself has proved. The "true" "happy" ending of ZTD is merely the one favorable timeline out of a vast array of possible hells.
"We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." -- H.P. Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
TFW I finished the game today, and the credits start playing. Might not of been the greatest closure to the series, but it was one hell of a ride. I am not a visual novel kind of person but this game really hit me in the feels many times over the trilogy, and now I feel completely empty on the inside knowing there will never be another. FUCK, it was so good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHsHJn7lH3g
>>345179945
Ever 17 is similar if much slower paced and an actual VN
Same writer
>>345179398
Then what was Lord Gordain doing? What was FtS? How did Delta plan and accomplish so much when he's so young? I still don't know what this cloning device is. I feel like your solutions just create more holes and even if they didn't it doesn't sound much better than "we found a 3D printer and don't know who or what made it".
>The reason the transporter and aliens are bad is because there could be hundreds of Hitlers all over the timelines since it was in Germany's hands until WW2 ended.
This was very likely to actually have happened in ZE universe.
Carlos is the only redeeming thing about this game
>>345179945
On the bright side: this is the correct time for the series to end. The story has concluded.
999 was amazing as a standalone, and begged for EITHER a true sequel OR a spiritual successor. It got a true sequel that sought to turn the whole thing into a trilogy. The trilogy is now complete.
Turning a standalone into a trilogy has precedent. It can work. It has worked, many times. And, broadly speaking, it worked well enough this time too.
Going beyond that has a very high chance of falling into shit. Zero Escape could work if it turned into an "every 4-5 years" kind of series, I guess, but there would always be that incentive to close the gap and turn it into an annual or biennial series, and can you imagine the horrid drop off in quality if that happened?
Better to end now, while they're still ahead AND have a safe ending point readily available.
>>345180442
Hey, I liked Sean too. Carlos didn't come into his own until the last third or so but it was amazing when he did. Haven't laughed so hard at a game in a long time.
>>345180442
Team D
>>345179945
Same here. Shaky ending, but it was the journey that mattered, not the destination.
If you haven't played it, Ghost Trick could fill the hole in your heart, if only to create another one.
>>345180442
Team D is the the best. All three of them.
Carlos is just in-universe save-scumming.
>>345180746
>>345180819
>Sigma: senile old fuck whose only contribution is his sperm, more boring than his VLR version on top of it
>Diana: knowingly and willingly caused 6 billion to die for nothing
>Phi: absentee and useless to the plot. Gets next to no banter
Nice tastes you guys got there.
>>345180819
>retarded grandpa Sigma
>non-existent Phi retconned to have red hair
>retarded Diana
>good
Delta > Eric > Phi > Junpei > Akane > Sigma > Carlos > Sean > Diana > Gab > Mira
>>345180423
Cloning is not unheard of in the series because Kyle is literally a clone of Sigma, cloned by Sigma.
Lord Gordain, and the 999 crew cannot have been associated with Phi and Delta during the events of 999. The plot relevance of Gordain points towards Alice in VLR, because her body's water content is Ice 9, as well as the Titanic, is never mentioned outside of 999.
Nobody in ZTD has Ice 9 as blood so he's irrelevant.
If you're wondering, Delta never said he froze himself in Ice 9 so he could live for 124 years. Its just a fact that he's been alive for that long. Because if he did freeze himself to live longer, what's stopping the first Phi? If Delta did sneak into the Titanic to sleep in Alice's Ice 9 coffin, the ship would then hit the ice berg when he was still a young boy.
I don't get why he's relevant at all in ZTD.
We are talking about the use of aliens, not 999's story.
Also you can't accept the idea that the quantum computer can perform morphogenetic data transfer (SHIFT) even when Sean, a robot, in the game we both played, says that he "remembers" everything?
A machine is not a person. It doesn't have to be the same Q where the data is sent to. Delta says that to Sean in his decision game scene fragment. It can be the spare bodies too.
You're saying that suddenly the quantum computer itself cannot send scanned DNA data to a computer in the past when it can repeatedly do it for Sean's memory data.
That's the worst justification for alien's I've heard of.
>>345181871
How could ANYONE rate Eric that high? Eric was shit. SHIT. Just like all of team Q with some exception to Sean
>>345181871
>worst characters in upper middle
>best characters in middle bottom
Not even sure how to evaluate this.
>>345181871
If by that you mean
Diana>Sean>Sigma>Carlos>Phi>Junpei>Akane>Gab>Eric>Mira>Delta
then yes!
>>345182258
A tier list has never made me feel this unsettled before...
>>345181871
Delta > Carlos > Sean > Gab > Eric > Sigma > Junpei > Diana > Phi > Akane > Mira
>all these gab haters coming out of the woodwork
Whatever guys, you're just jealous.
>>345181270
>Gets next to no banter
the little banter she gets is golden though
>that whole incinerator arc
>>345182668
i'm ok with this
>>345182921
I honestly don't remember any of it.
And that incinerator arc didn't really interest me either--it just unfolded exactly as I predicted, except Phi was a huge annoyance because of her opinion of the dilemma.
Sorry, anon. I'm just hard to please and I honestly didn't feel much of anything towards Team D...and the other teams with the exception of Carlos and Sean
>Sigma actually knew what happened at the Mars experiment
>he just was too ashamed to let people know which kind of retard he was so he said nothing
>later on used drugs to forget about it
>>345179062
>How you know you're on /v/
eric and mira have got to be at the bottom of the pile for me. i felt bad for the kid, though
>>345184012
Are you me? I thought I would love D team since I like all the characters involved but they really didn't do anything for me in this game (except Sigma briefly seemed fun again in the locker room for some reason). Carlos and Sean were my main motivators although I thought everyone was at least tolerable except for Akane and Junpei. Maybe if Phi didn't get side-lined for so much of D team's segments it would have been better.
>>345179062
>That, and the 3DS actually has other games too, unlike the Vita.
And there it is, the little obligatory shitpost that's been echoed for years. I hope you like phones, because that's all you're ever getting from now on. Sony dropped out of handhelds and Pokemon Go is doing absurdly well. Get your dirty fingers ready because there will never be another worthwhile handheld again.
>>345184749
They clearly think styluses exist only when Nintendo shoves them through their dick hole.
I too hope they like phones.
>>345184749
Pokemon Go is doing absurdly well, but so was Miitomo a few months ago. Give it a while. It'll calm right the hell down.
Nintendo can't make a mobile game worth a shit. They hypothetically COULD, but they know it would cannibalize their other markets, and they're dedicated to those, so they won't risk it.
why didn't Uchi had the courage to say that the terrorist was a muslim?
>>345161609
How does Uchikoshi's asshole taste?
>this was the conclusion to the game I waited for 2 years
>>345184664
>Posts one of my favorite pics of Carlos
>"Are you me?"
Yeah, probably.
I actually really loved when Diana and Sigma were alone in the healing room, but sadly I didn't like anything else from Team D. ;_;
And, frankly, I kind of wish Phi wasn't with her parents. Sure, it's sweet but she's literally just there to be daughteru.While I know it's a bad idea, I probably would have paired her with Sean and Carlos.
post some funny OC please
>>345184517
Eric was funny and that was good enough for me. Always a fun time when he got a weapon.
>>345186258
i slapped this together a few days ago
I-I guess I still have DR and AA...
>>345185753
Both Danganronpa and Zero Escape.
Can't wait for these two 3 animes to finish.
S-Should I color my Zero III/Seanvery pornographicpicture or not?
I got so flustered drawing it that it might take even longer to color it.
>>345186489
>Zero III/Sean
Are you trying to trigger us, anon?
Why are people salty about MINDHACKING?
Isn't it just a shitty version of 2018 Akane's powers?
>>345186489
>Zero III/Sean lewd
You delete everything related to it from your hard drive, burn your house down, and travel deep into the mountains to find a way to cleanse your soul.
What the fuck, Mira
>>345186489
>lewding pure robo-shote
Some things are meant to be sacred, anon.
>>345186702
How is telepathy through time more bullshit than THE POWER OF MIND HACK?
>>345186702
The word alone is a bizarre writing decision, it looks like an actual joke. I bet it wouldn't be received nearly as poorly if he gave it a science jargon name.
>>345186489
BASED anon
>>345187061
Maken X used brainjack and there was that game Mindjack, so mind hack doesn't seem so weird since it's not all that different from what those other Japanese sci-fi games used.
PyschoBreak (the Japanese name for The Evil Within) also sounds like really similar naming conventions
>>345179398
He didn't necessarily aliens. He did an unexplained machine with ties to the morphogenetic field. Naturally, when it was discovered 120 years ago, people assumed aliens. It's never stated to be true, and considering the macguffin like nature of it, I doubt it is.
>>345179812
I'm not saying that isn't retarted. But I also believe she was always planned to be his kid. Also, he literally states in that article that the core of the game was planned, even if many elements surrounding that changed.
I made this picture into a video for fun. I'm too lazy to make a webm.
http://itsnotporn.s-ul.eu/BYMcTX9L.mp4
>>345182060
It would have to send it to the past before it was created, or have one created in the past. That's what is stupid. It isn't true shifting like you claim either. For Q, he is receiving the data from a possible future that you have played as. The computer can calculate all worlds, and relay the information from these in the world it is. Essentially it is it's own morphogenetic field, but it is separate from the real one.
It isn't stupid that the computer can have DNA data. It's everything else in your theory that's stupid
>>345182921
Phi had good banter, but her attitude to the dilemma was insufferable
>How would Diana feel if she killed you Sigma?
>Diana, you bastard you killed him
That alone made me want to kill her again
>>345186380
>I still have DR
And that's a good thing how?
>>345187819
>Take the D
OR
>Take the D
kek
>>345171708
Top secret experiment could have worked even.
>>345186671
What, should I have drawn Sean/Carlos?
Or Sean getting doubleteamed by Eric and Mira or something???????
>>345186937
Akane can read and control minds through time and space, in a building on the other side of the world, 9 years in the future, in a different timeline
Delta can only hack nearby people
>>345189596
A lewd with Carlos in it...? Y-you're killing me here, anon...I'm not really sure if you're bullshitting me, but if you aren't then I'll just say that Sean/Carlos is vastly preferred to anything with Zero III in it...
Accurate?
>>345189596
You shouldn't have drawn Sean or Zero II
>>345189763
Akane cannot control minds. I don't know why people believe this
>>345190037
The puzzles in 999 were on the bottom screen, weren't they?
>>345189596
The boy has no genitals, please have mercy.
>>345190336
Yeah. But that wasn't Akane controlling. It was her solving it at the same time as Junpei. And maybe transmitting the solution. But not controlling him to solve it. More so giving him the information to. But considering Junpei doesn't notice this transmission, it's more than likely he is solving it simultaneously. I guess I can understand why you believe it considering this, but it isn't accurate
>>345190361
Neither does Zero III
So what was the point of the Alice and Clover seeding in another time end. I know it was no canon, but that part at least seemed really intentional in terms of future plot points
>>345162318
>marry
Yeah? Well I'm going to marry Diana!
>>345180805
...i-is that cheese meant to represent Carlos and Junpei.
That's mean desu.
>>345178704
But anon, she's already saved in the True Ending™ of ZTD.
This game looks interesting, are the previous ones the same?
Hands down the worst game of the series:
>Worst music (reused/remixed the amazing OST from VLR and never used morphogenic sorrow)
>Worst twists (fuck you delta)
>Worst ending (Yeah go team!)
>Worst characterization of returning characters(RIP smart old man sigma, snarky phi, asshole junpei, complex akane)
>Worst newcomers (fuck you eric , and fuck mira (why did literally nobody ever bring up the fact that she's A FUCKING COLD BLOODED MURDERER?
>Worst puzzles (Wait a minute that card!)
>Worst choices (We all suddenly care about the morality of shifting after two games of constantly shifting!)
>>345195127
>Worst music
kek. It reused Morphogenic sorrow
>Worst ending
At least it ended like VLR
>Worst characterization
That's debatable, mainly personal preference
>Worst newcomers
I loved the train wreck of team Q
>Worst puzzles
those hints were only there for idiots, you didn't need them to solve all the puzzles
>Worst choices
Better than just choosing doors in 999It's still the worst game in the series though
>>345194089
>Diana
>Slut
When will this awful meme die
>>345187061
Requesting an edit to change that to "The power to Mind Fuck."
>Infinite timelines
>Everyone just jumps to the timeline where the fanatic chooses not to end the world
>>345194673
The previous ones are same in terms of general tone, ambience, and gameplay structure, but different in that they're traditional VNs. This 3rd game uses a Telltale-like approach to cinematics.
>>345195127
I agree with most of your points except:
>Worst music
Subjective, but I disagree strongly. A couple of top tier new tracks (e.g. Trash Disposal) and some sweet remixes (e.g. Pantry, Lounge). And it did use Morpho. Sorrow.
>Worst puzzle
Every game had some bad puzzles, and tbqh I really some of the tougher puzzles in ZTD especially ayylien arithmetic
>Worst newcomer
I only disliked Mira. Eric and Sean were fine.
>>345196468
There isn't infinite timelines. Only timelines that split when a pivotal decision is made by a shifter
>>345187061
Just call it Morphogenetic Manipulation or some bullshit an it's fine. Why on earth they created an entirely new super power with no affiliation to the one already existing is baffling.
>>345196916
Is that really true though?
I mean with the dice roll part they never really make a decision, they just roll the dice like 500 times.
>>345196916
For any situation with multiple outcomes or choices, there is a timeline for each of those. It has nothing to do with shifters whatsoever.
>>345197209
It is a morphogenetic ability. That's like saying SHIFTing isn't because it doesn't have morphogenetic in its name. And it was hinted at in VLR (they say brother can manipulate people through the field). The name may be bullshit, but it doesn't make it unrelated. It's an esper related ability
>>345197505
You know in such a universe, (or multiverse I should say.) I don't see how everyone isn't a complete nihilist. I mean them trying to stop the terrorist is kinda meaningless, considering there exists a universe in which he doesn't even exist.
Though I suppose if there is an infinite amount of universes there exists one in which they all are nihilists anyways, so you know what the fuck ever.
>>345197887
Time travel makes everything inconsequential, as does the transporter.
That exact line of thinking gets brought up by Junpei in the Another Time end, and then gets promptly thrown out the window and ignored.
I mean, what's going to happen to all of the shifters after the game ends?
If their dog gets run over by a car, are they going to put a gun to their head, shift, and move to the timeline where their dog isn't dead?
>>345197695
Delta never once mentions the morphogenetic field, so you have no reason to believe it's related to it in any way. Everything with him is incredibly sloppy.
>>345198048
In the other games it is stated that Brother can control people through the morphogenetic field. Delta is Brother. But sure, you can believe that he has a power to control minds from a completely unrelated source. No wonder you faggots don't like this; you have the comprehension skills of a 12 year old.
>>345198001
Kek. You know I can see Carlos doing this considering how he used SHIFTing throughout the game.
>>345198245
>>345198001
They already did do that. Remember when Gab got shot? They just shifted away
>>345198048
If it wasn't the field, what was it then?
>>345195127
Agreed with everything. Everyone keeps saying the OST is as good as the other two games but everything is remixes with no soul. Plus the "emotional" tracks were used to much (and sometimes badly) it just became a joke after a while.
>inb4 C-team control room best track of the game!
No. That track is literally Monitor from VLR but without the emotional impact of having to push on despite everyone besides you and Phi being dead.
>>345196821
ayylien room puzzle was the best one in the game
>>345200398
>You experienced it differently so you are wrong
C'mon man. that's subjective. The music in this game was well made, and while you may not have been hit emotionally, I sure was. I feel it's the best in the series, because it's a greatest hits with some new beastly ones chucked in
>>345200478
I liked the Biolab. Felt like a VLR room
Seriously guys, why does VLR even exist if it has next to no bearing on ZTD? Sigma set up the most convoluted plan ever just to catch his nut in some ginger bitch, and Phi came along for the ride?
Sorry if this is a stupid question but hear me out:
I get it that the transporter only copies someone and sends them to a "specific" timeline, but then again, how is it possible both Delta and Phi exist in every one of those?
Does using the transporter create a constant in every timeline? Obliviously Phi and Delta are since the decision game happens in every one so far. Does that mean second Carlos is always canon? How about Sigma and Diana? They should be in every timeline according to this.
>>345201072
It's ayylien magic dude they ain't gotta explain shit.
>>345201072
If you traced all of the timelines in ZTD back to 1904, they would all branch from that single timeline where Phi and Delta were transported back. Phi and Delta only exist in a single timeline immediately after transportation, but after that there would be infinite timelines branching off from that point.
>>345201072
They get transported to before all the branching in ZTD
>>345200885
I'd do it for her
>>345201072
>Does using the transporter create a constant in every timeline?
No, see >>345201348
>Does that mean second Carlos is always canon?
Yes, at least he should exist in every timeline in the game.
>How about Sigma and Diana? They should be in every timeline according to this.
No, they transport to a different branch of ZTD, so they only exist in this specific branch.
I wanna get into the series. How are the PC versions of the games? My brother has a DS if the first one isn't too good to emulate
>>345201994
Get it on DS if you can. It's less of a hassle. VLR is only Vita and 3DS at the moment, but it'll be coming to PC soon.Prepare for a wild ride
>>345199413
Proof that Uchikoshi is a hack, as long as he keeps demanding it's not the morphogenetic field.
>>345202056
That's weird, wikipedia page for VLR has Windows listed as one of platforms. Well, my bro has Vita as well, so I may buy it if I like the first one. Thanks
>>345143591
Finally finished it yesterday
All in all I liked the game a lot, but it was nowhere near as good as it could and really should have been after all of the build up in VLR
The game just felt like it needed way more devtime pretty much everywhere
Also the zero "reveal" was executed fucking horribly
It's a good game, but it's definitely the worst in the series
>>345190020
we did get back to the future 3 though
Reminder Uchi will never answer your questions
>>345202315
He never denied it was the morphogenetic field. >>345198165 This fag gets it. I dunno why you can't. Why do you think it isn't what it is. Just use Occams razor and its obvious that the theoryor should I say factis right
>finally finished ZTD
>that consistently bad writing throughout the game
Honestly, I think I'd like the ending if the game's plot actually made more sense.
>inb4 his motives were complex
How the fuck did Carlos know how to select a timeline to send Junpei and Akane to in the transporter? At least Sigma admits that he just pressed random buttons.
Why didn't Akane ever use the morphogenetic field to see every future timeline like she did in 999 and VLR? Don't give me any bullshit about not being able to, if she could do it in VLR she could do it in ZTD and Junpei is the only one that's stated as not being able to do it anymore.
How did they send Phi to 2008 with fucking 1904 technology? Sure, aliens, whatever, how did the people in 1904 know how to use it and how did they keep it a secret?
>There are people who waited since 2012 for this
>>345164610
Tell them my motives are complex and this is the future they chose
If you could, would you SHIFT to a timeline where ZTD fulfilled all expectations even if that means dooming another you to live in a timeline where it didn't?
>>345205629
Yes.
Either way, one of 'me' has to suffer. The only difference is which one.
>>345205629
>post yfw this happened when your other self first saw this announcement trailer and you just didn't notice
>>345204169
>How the fuck did Carlos know how to select a timeline to send Junpei and Akane to in the transporter?
New theory: Carlos is an interdimensional alien.
>>345145835
Soon you'll accept it
It took me like 4 days until I was like "Well whatever, nothing to do at this point"
>>345168410
ZTD actually had a lot more staff members working on it than the other games did. I don't think we've ever had a concrete source on the size of the budget compared to the other games, though.
>>345204169
>How the fuck did Carlos know how to select a timeline to send Junpei and Akane to in the transporter?
this reminds me... Diana assumingly told Carlos a lot about how the machine works off screen (hence how he knows how to start the thing.) but how did Carlos not know that the machine does NOT send the physical person?
if he DID know that then why the FUCK did he leave Junpei and Akane in the import pods and just let it explode???
So wait, is this 2 Carlos thing referring to how Carlos waited 10 months and then transported himself in the VLR timeline?
Why are people saying that there are 2 Carlos' in every timeline, because he went back to before Zero's plan was started?
>>345187892
You can just SHIFT send the data to 2009 on a PC that can read/write and has a harddrive, or to a mainframe.
>>345176818
They were going to make 2 and 3 at the same time originally, when they were going to be DS games. It was only when the development moved to the 3DS and Vita that it was decided that 2 would be made before greenlighting 3.
>>345206336
>Carlos waited 10 months and then transported himself in the VLR timeline
Wrong order. He transported 10 months into the past and then waited 10 months for his big entry.
>>345206336
He didn't do that. He jumped to the timeline where he stayed after the showers and then teleported back to ten months before the game
>>345206583
Firstly, the fact that you have to defend this much shows that it's no better than what we got. Secondly, the quantum computer can only relay information to things linked to it and it hasn't been around that long. Thirdly, if you're only sending their data back to 2009 then you're opening a whole new can of worms, and you'd get people complaining about even more brother inconsistencies. Lastly, ZE is mostly about a near future world, and in the world they created, cloning wasn't possible in 2009.
>>345206834
Yeah, but the fag I'm talking about was claiming that while they were making VLR they still had a guarantee ZTD would be made and it was only after it was released which pulled the plug, which is clearly inaccurate.
>>345206856
>>345207013
Cheers. I thought it was hilarious when he showed up acting like a hero and Akane and Junpei just told him that the world was going to literally end. It has to be intentional.
>>345151328
the second done right would be fking gr8
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
>>345152808
>Kyle
>Favorite character
Kek
Someone post the 'Kyle is in Sigma's body' theory.It's retarded but I want to read it carefully.
>>345207778
Even Uchikoshi only claimed 25 hours, which is still kind of inflated. I don't know what those Aksys reps were trying to pull.
Just beat the game after avoiding spoilers for weeks as I'm one of the sorry saps who preordered the watch edition. It sucks I've missed out on most of the discussion but I'd like to sjare my opinion.
Firstly, 999>VLR>ZTD. But that doesn't mean I hate ZTD. I think their scores go something like this 999 is a 95, VLR is a 90, and ZTD is closer to a 75-80.
The 3D animation was pretty bad, Junpei's english VA made me want to commit suicide, and the puzzles sucked especially compared to VLR. You can tell where they cut corners.
Carlos ended up being one of my favprite charactets in the series next to Phi and Sigma. Also, I felt D-Team easily had the best sections.
Overall I think they should have at least taken more time to finish the game and its ending. I'm neither satisified nor dissatisfied with the ending.
Also, maybe I'm just plain stupid but I'm still trying to work out how Q-Team worked with 4 members. Probably need to rewatch some scenes to pick on some hints that I missed.
Overall good game, but could have been better. Zero Escape still remains one of my favorite series.
>>345207013
Stop. My point is that you can use any storage medium to send data of Phi and Delta to the past. ANYBODY CAN ACCESS THE DATA AND CLONE THEM.
>quantum computer can only relay information to things linked to it
>quantum computer can only relay information to things linked to it
>quantum computer can only relay information to things linked to it
What is the rationale behind this? Sheer ignorance? Not knowing how downloading works? We get "you wouldn't download a car" threads in /v/ every once in a while.
>if you're only sending their data back to 2009 then you're opening a whole new can of worms
No, because any time before that opens the can of worms. Cloning already exists in our world, not the game world, and its only 2016.
Your whole argument is sheer ignorance.
>>345185292
Circuit boards aren't humans. You can download any piece of porn on the internet and access it with any computer that can read/ write.
>Thirdly, if you're only sending their data back to 2009 then you're opening a whole new can of worms
I already destroyed your delusion of Lord Gordain. He's not relevant in fucking ZTD. You're being completely delusional by tying 999 to ZTD WITH LORD GORDAIN WHO IS FUCKING IRRELEVANT, that you'd shit on me because I'm trying to tell you that in VLR CLONING ACTUALLY HAPPENED WITH KYLE.
>So guys how can we not use aliens
>la la la not listening
Fuck you anon you're just an irl Eric.
This has probably been posted before, but for the sake of those who missed it
>Q&A not anytime soon
Also this
>>345208247
>Shit how do I explain Kyle absence and other plotholes while I bullshit through the QA
>>345208115
The quantum computer cannot send things into the past. It can only send information to itself, or things that are linked into it like Sean. This stated in game, and isn't an argument of sheer ignorance. It doesn't exist before 2009. Cloning couldn't happen in 2009 and even if it did, it contradicts the FACT that Brother was 100 years old at that stage. Also, even if it could, lets say, who the fuck would be doing the cloning of random DNA on a random computer? Sure, you can justify all this in an explanation and I'm sure you have perfectly plausible if complexreasonsto explain this, but by that point, it's just easier to say that there is a morphogenetic 3D printer and we do't know where it came from, but some people think aliens, which is what they did. My argument may be ignorant, but your alternative is quite literally pic related
Can someone give a quick rundown of how Q-Team actually worked for a retard?
If Q refers to Delta and not Sean, why was Sean the one that voted? I know Eric referenced the old man in the wheelchair and I'm fine with just accepting that they would have left him in the background so not mentioning him isn't a big deal, but why wouldn't they question where the old man's face was in the study? Why did Q-Team not question as to why they had 4 members? Especially when Zero introduced them as Q, Eric, and Mira when there was a fourth member?
Am I just supposed to suspend my disbalief at this or am I missing something?
>>345208936
Pretty much. There are a lot of flaws in it, but basically, they looked to Sean as a replacement for Q because he was useless
>>345208936
Well scratch part of that. I suppose that the face they thought was Sean's could be used to represent Delta, but it really feels like a stretch to just hide the truth that he was there.
>>345208936
Sean voted because they thought Q was blind/deaf/mute and couldn't
For the other shit I don't know either
The Q reveal didn't work for me either, it was just really badly executed
>>345208247
>QnA never ever
>>345208936
>why was Sean the one that voted
It's just a theory, but Eric probably didn't want to take the blame in case a team died so he made Sean do the voting. Mira finds him amusing and really doesn't mind whatever he presses.
The study makes no sense either, unless you assume the Matryoshka doll represents Q and not Sean. Sean wasn't an official member of Q team
Eric fucking hates Sean and blames everything that goes wrong on him
>>345209653
The Matryoshka doll clearly represents Sean. It doesn't look anything like Delta. If it were meant to represent Delta, there wouldn't be any reason to exclude it from the status screen.
>>345209653
It doesn't make sense, but it does get acknowledged to be bullshit. He states who everybody else is, but when you click on the doll he says
>Is that supposed to be me
They're confused he's there, because it makes no sense. And to this the fact Q is not shown on the status screen and we can assume that Q is not represented, even if we don't know why.
Honestly, if Uchikoshi somehow finds a way to make a basic 5-10 hour VN, or an art/lore book is made a la Grimoire Nier and Hand in Killer7, that can cover the events after ZTD, I'd be perfectly fine.
So I never ended up using a couple hints I found for anything. Specifically:
Rec Room: I found some 8 digit code, I think it was 05282126.
Incinerator: the 188 pounds
Study: the J-05-something note with the 3 toys with extended arms above it.
I tried using the code in the study and tried moving down 7 on each part of the code because of the the toys but nothing happened. As for the other two I really had no idea what to use them for as I solved the puzzles without them as well. Did I miss some secrets or something?
>>345211590
>Incinerator: the 188 pounds
188 pounds is Sigma's weight. When Diana gets on the chair, she doesn't get strapped in. Sigma does. This is because the person on the chair needs to weigh 188 pounds.
>>345208880
>The quantum computer cannot send things into the past. It can only send information to itself
>It can only send information to itself
>itself
Just keep being (you) anon. Not everyone thinks asspull aliens is a reasonable plot device, when you already have time traveling espers. Ones that can choose to invade different peoples bodies at will, like with Sigma and Kyle.
Here is my counter argument.
In the ending where everyone SHIFTs to the point where they won the coin toss, Delta reveals that Q is active because he is receiving data from a satellite link, and that Delta had moved the quantum computer to a truck.
This establishes that the data doesn't have to be sent to the quantum computer itself.
>random computer
Sent to the biolab in Dcom in the past. You do know that in VLR the Biolab puzzle is somewhat the same, in that it involved microscope analysis. That means they have the same technology in the lab available already which will allow Kyle to be cloned in the moon base later on.
>but only Sigma can clone
Everything in the moon base was first tested on the Mars Test Site.
>but technology isn't advance enough
In a few days, Delta would blow up the reactors that will cause mankind to regress technologically. Technology used in VLR isn't light years ahead of ZTD. Sigma doesn't even own a quantum computer, he just has a Q room in VLR.
>who would clone
Who built the quantum computer and built Dcom then? If I were the engineer who would create the quantum computer in 2029, I would understand code that belongs to that computer I would invent tomorrow, if it landed on my email box.
You would accept that people would sooner invent the quantum computer while technology in biology would remain constant.
>>345211993
Delta built the quantum computer and the DCOM facility. There is no indication that it was around in 2009. And if there is no computer it cannot send it back. It can send data anywhere that it can link (which with satellites and the internet is almost anywhere) but only where it exists. It cannot create a bootstrap paradox where it creates itself. IT doesn't have to be sent to the computer. It has to be sent from it. And it cannot send it back in time. The future's Sean experiences are not real futures, but possibilities the computer generates. So unless the computer was around in 2009 which we don't know and seems unlikely (otherwise why bother setting it in the future). (You) think it works to much like the field, but it is only the end result in which they are similar (Sean experiencing visions and information from other timelines).
The problem with your theory is you believe it can transmit to a time we don't know (and it is doubtful that it) exists in. There is no reason it'd be accurate.
As for the cloning, you seem pretty convinced that they could clone them in 2009. Sure, for argument's sake, I'll accept that. But then how do you explain brother being 100 years old? I noticed you neglected to answer this, and I'm wondering if it's because (you) know that there isn't an explanation for this.
And I'll say it again louder. YOU"RE A FUCKING MORON IF YOU BELIEVE IT WAS ACTUALLY ALIENS. Nobody knows what it is, but is was discovered 100 years ago, so it's understandable they thought aliens. In history, unexplained science has thought to be supernatural. This is another case of that. Not to mention it's explained that the machine uses morphogenetic field, and isn't a complete asspull. I'm not saying it's perfect. Just that it makes more sense in universe than your hot bullshit. But you keep doing (you)
>>345211743
>85kg
Damn, siggy is welcome to fuck me up any day
>>345149641
Fuck Eric.
>>345149415
>You can, but if you've been in any of the threads you'd understand that the overwhelming majority doesn't like the game at all.
DAMN BRAT STOP BULLSHITTING US
Later fags, these threads ave been fun.I'll be back, just sleeping for now
>>345213338
To be honest I didn't really care about the means, just that the transporter and aliens felt really out of left field for the series. Its like the writer gave up.
Game literally says that alien civilization built the transporter, and you're the one trying to say its not aliens but an ancient civilization.
Don't know anon. Sending a file back to 2009 and having scientists interpret the data and clone Phi and Delta, where Delta is a faulty clone like solid snake with rapid aging, sounds better than, oh there was this device called a transporter that Germans found in the 1880s that aliens built.
>YOU"RE A FUCKING MORON IF YOU BELIEVE IT WAS ACTUALLY ALIENS
Now you're rejecting the game itself because of how bad of a plot device it was. It was aliens. How do I know?
The cards used to input data into the transporter is said to be made of an unknown material, outside of our periodic tables. Near the end of ZTD, the characters use the cards to prevent themselves from being injected by the memory erasing drugs.
They all knew that the cards would stop the injectors because they were made out of an invulnerable alien material.
I'm not a person who would reject the game itself just to fit my narrative. I accept ZTD on how it is, and paid full price for it. For the sake of having something to discuss I point out how you can use existing material in the games themselves to eliminate the use of the odd one out, the transporter and aliens.
Flailing like a madman on the internet and rejecting all input of others, on a subject you would consider yourself the only expert on, is something SJWs usually do. You can't accept that others may have a different opinion, so you would erase everyone's ideas and leave it so that the one you are comfortable with is left unquestioned.
>Q: What's inside the quantum computer?
>Zero: The universe.
No more (you)s for you.
Your opinions contradict even the game's logic.
>Delta built Dcom and the quantum PC
Wish the game cleared it.
>>345160614
You know exactly where Alice and Clover are if you played VLR.
Uchikoshi dropped Kyle for unknown reasons. Anything to do with the special ending in VLR is basically non existent or irrelevant now. Again, Uchi wrote that ending out of existance so any questions related to it can't really be answered.
Not sure what you mean by asking if Luna is fucked or not. She was just a bot and served her purpose in VLR.
Honestly, there isn't a good reason for him to have sent Dio. It wouldn't have mattered if Dio was successful or not. Unless people know how to SHIFT, which isn't Brother, there would be no way to leave the timelines that happen in VLR.
I thought it was more bizarre when Akane went full crazy with a chainsaw.
Animations are fine. It's a ZE game.
Technically there is a point for crash keys existing after the true end of ZTD. 8 billion will die if nothing is done.
Left was thrown under the bus by Uchi. By that I mean he wasn't an important character as VLR made him out to be apparently. We still don't know what really happened there.
A lot of those archive files are fucking stupid and only complicate the story.
Yeah, I'm done answering these. I am getting lazy.
This game is better than VLR, having a better plot overall (though a weaker ending) and being more in close to tone and themes to 999.
VLR feels like it should've been in another series.
>>345215914
What makes ZTD's story better than VLR's? It just repeats the same elements, but without any interesting characterization to back it up. Most of the game was just watching random fragments that didn't build up any kind of interesting plot. Adding more violence didn't bring it any closer to 999's tone.
I'm confused about something. In ZTD, Junpei said he joined a detective agency and worked with Seven, and they destroyed one of Free the Soul's headquarters.
But in VLR, it was stated that Seven couldn't get in touch with Junpei because he was traveling the world looking for Akane. Which is why he needed Clover's help.
So what the hell?
>>345216653
Not having evil cults and viruses made it closer to 999's tone. It's also more mystery themed like 999 was.
And the story has pretty much the same amount of characterization, since a lot of fragments are just that instead of building the plot. And then when you get to the plot building fragments it's really good how it all ties together, the reveal about the times, the wards and specially the ending that leads to VLR and the one with Phi's birth. The fragment system was pretty good too, it's really satisfying when you start seeing the connections between them.
It's the true ending that was disappointing, Delta's twist was well done but unnecessary (it had enough foreshadowing and hints, but it really didn't do anything for the player like 999's did), plus his motivations are simply a rehash from 999 and VLR. Meanwhile VLR had an amazing payoff to a pretty weak game overall (a lot of unnecessary, repetitive scenes and fuck if Alice didn't ruin most of the game).
>>345217804
>Not having evil cults and viruses made it closer to 999's tone.
Well, FtS and Radical-6 are still part of ZTD.
>The fragment system was pretty good too
Really? That part of the game was severely underutilized. It removed a lot of weight from some of the decisionswhich were pretty weakbecause after watching one outcome and then go back to watch the other one. In some cases it even spoiled outcomes of other fragmentslike Junpei's head. You never have to puzzle about the correct order of events or when exactly a fragment takes place. Before release I speculated they would have things like two fragments seemingly taking place after each other, when in reality that order would be reversed.
>a lot of unnecessary, repetitive scenes
Agree, but we had the same shit at the start of every early game fragment.Also, what's Carlos' occupation again?
>>345215358
What I don't get is, based on Delta's COMPLEX MOTIVES, what reason did he have to even create Left clones in the first place?
In VLR, it was implied the Left clones would be the new population of Earth after Radical-6 destroyed it, because Brother wanted to create a new world where everyone is the same. Because the world was corrupt due to reasons like Left's murderer paying the police to keep quiet.
But ZTD ignored all of that and suddenly Brother only wants to stop a terrorist. He doesn't think the world is corrupt and doesn't mention wanting to create a new world. He just wants to stop a terrorist, no matter what it takes. What gives?
>>345217804
No evil cults and viruses? Were you paying attention at all during ZTD? ZTD only made things more ridiculous by throwing in another random religious fanatic and alien transporters. Most of the feeling of mystery was thrown out by isolating the teams and having the killings be shown in plain view. The few mysterious killings were lazily written off by the end.
ZTD was heavier on the repetitive scenes than VLR was. You have to watch pretty much the same intro three times in a row before even getting started. Then you have to do the same thing again for the button and acid showers. And in about every scene, you get the same repeating conversations due to the memory loss. In VLR, when scenes did repeat, it was for the sake of the story flow on different routes, and they were meant to be skipped through quickly to get to the new content.
The characters lacked any of the level of depth that you would see in characters like K and Luna in VLR. They were just flat, like the firefighter who lacks any character beyond being "heroic" and the serial killer who kills just because she's crazy. There was very little to their motivations, and the group dynamics were limited to the same things across the whole game.
How did Alice ruin most of VLR? She was dead for most of it. Is it that upsetting that she betrayed you in one route? Did Alice being too mean make VLR a terrible game?
>>345219445
Stupid answer: He needed Left clones for the VLR timeline and the AB games to succeed. WithoutDiothat wouldn't have happened.
>>345219891
>He needed Left clones for the VLR timeline.
Not really. He only needed one clone which was Dio. But it's implied there were hundreds of clones over several generations.
>and the AB games to succeed. Without Dio that wouldn't have happened.
But Dio made it harder for the AB games to succeed because of the bombs. If there was no Dio and no bombs, there would be more successful timelines.
>>345220113
If there was no Dio, we'd have old Akane going around as a player in plain view. That definitely wasn't in the AB plan.
>>345220691
What difference would it have made? Only Tenmyouji and maybe Clover would have known her. It wouldn't have affected anything.
>>345220113
>But it's implied there were hundreds of clones over several generations.
Well yeah. We have the problem, that we don't know how long he has been planning this whole thing. Could be that he just really liked Left in the beginning or that he knew all about his future and started cloning because that's his Mind Hack showed him.
>But Dio made it harder for the AB games to succeed because of the bombs.
Of course. But he's part of the bootstrap paradox. Delta knows that Dio has to take part in the AB games so he sends him there. Akane knows that Dio is part of the AB games so she let's him kill her.
>>345220892
>What difference would it have made?
Because then it's no longer the VLR timeline we know. That just how things go when you include a causal loop in your story. Things happen the way they do because that's how they happened before.
things happening because the plot required it, or because the meme field told me so, or because I mindhacced a guy gets dumb after the first game.
So do i need the other games or?
>>345221767
Or?
>>345221916
or not
>>345217530
>Seven couldn't get in touch with Junpei because he was traveling the world looking for Akane
That was talking about after the VLR end for C-team in which Akane made Junpei forget shit.
Before ZTD Junpei has fun times Seven doing detective stuff, but then ZTD happens.
Junpei loses memories of many things, save for Akane.
With Akane being the most prevalent thing in his mind, he sets out to find her again, continuing his previous mission of finding her.Been a while since VLR, don't remember the exact wording for "Seven can't get in touch" or who even said it, it wasn't during Clover's end was it?At any rate what I said before is how I see it, unless proven otherwise.
>>345222171
>Junpei loses memories of many things, save for Akane.
How convenient that he didn't forget being part of the mars mission test site too.
I've got three three Force Quit fragments available, but for the life of me I can't think of what to input on any of them. Were they covered in other fragments and I just forgot? Where should I be looking to figure them out?
>>345222171
No, the events that Clover spoke of were from the year between 999 and ZTD. She doesn't have any memories from after ZTD, since she was kidnapped and frozen before any of the Radical-6 stuff happened.
Now that I'm done with this game, should I play Umineko or Danganronpa?
>>345219403
>Well, FtS and Radical-6 are still part of ZTD.
barely, really
>>345222171
>Before ZTD Junpei has fun times Seven doing detective stuff, but then ZTD happens.
I thought this all happened before ZTD? When Clover joined SOIS, they were preparing her for some mission on December 25th or 30th or something. But then she got kidnapped.
I'm pretty sure Seven not being able to contact Junpei, and the events of ZTD were at almost the same time. I could be wrong, but it seems that way.
So...
The brooch came from nowhere?
>>345222937
Do you hate yourself that much?
>>345223042
Yes
>>345223034
LE BOOTSTRAPS
>>345222937
Umineko, not even a contest.
>>345222937
junko dies
>>345223034
*tips bootstraps*
>>345222990
Seven not being able to contact Junpei was well before ZTD. It was before Clover agreed to join the SOIS.
>>345223112
Go for DR then. Umineko is at least fun for the first 4 episodes.
>>345223435
So Junpei traveled the world after 999, then decided sometime later to join a detective agency and was able to work with Seven? A little odd but I guess it works.
>>345222941
And that's a shame.
>>345219717
>No evil cults and viruses? Were you paying attention at all during ZTD? ZTD only made things more ridiculous by throwing in another random religious fanatic and alien transporters.
The religious fanatic is completely irrelevant and only mentioned twice. The transporter is a clever deus ex machina, it solves plot holes introduced both in VLR and ZTD, it also fits in the narrative pretty well.
I'm not complaining about Radical-6 or FtS in VLR, I'm saying they're a huge leap in themes and tone from 999 which was pretty grounded in gritty reality aside from the psychic powers, just like ZTD is (with the transporter being the only unexpected plot device, even then, it works on the same principle as espers).
>Most of the feeling of mystery was thrown out by isolating the teams and having the killings be shown in plain view. The few mysterious killings were lazily written off by the end.
I didn't mean the killings, but alright.
>You have to watch pretty much the same intro three times in a row before even getting started. Then you have to do the same thing again for the button and acid showers.
This is the only complaint I agree with, but VLR was definitely more repetitive than ZTD, it also had a lot more fluff.
>The characters lacked any of the level of depth that you would see in characters like K and Luna in VLR.
Luna is not deep, heck, Diana is better just by not being flawless. K was my favorite in VLR, and he's better than most characters in ZTD, but otherwise your statement is simply wrong, the level of characterization is pretty much the same in both games. It's like you're forgetting shitty characters like Quark, Clover or Alice.
>How did Alice ruin most of VLR? She was dead for most of it. Is it that upsetting that she betrayed you in one route? Did Alice being too mean make VLR a terrible game?
No, I just hate her.
I never said VLR was terrible either, fuck off.
>>345223736
Yeah, what the hell? VLR focused so much on Free the Soul and Left, and it implied that ZTD would be like that. Instead it was just Delta and his COMPLEX MOTIVES.
I mean, I guess it was never confirmed that ZTD would be about FtS. But why mention it so much in VLR if they weren't going to do much with it in ZTD?
>>345223736
No, it's fine, they were shitty plot points to begin with.
>>345224042
Uchikoshi dropped the ball.
>That one anon defending the transporter
>>345224036
>The transporter is a clever deus ex machina
Ehh... How it works sure, not how the Germans had it in 1904.
>plot holes introduced both in VLR
Which plot holes does it solve in VLR?
>>345222610
Those three lead to the true end and you must have done every other fragment I think, if you have and still don't know:
For C-Team is vive hodie.
I don't remember the string of numbers for Q-Team but iirc they tell you at the end of one of Q team endings.
For D-Team is Brooch and Music Box (maybe also Blue Bird works for the second one).
>>345224247
Yeah the transported was pretty dumb. I thought it was weird when VLR implied there would be physical time travel, but I figured he would think of some weird way to pull it off.
Instead, we get ayy lmao technology.
>>345224178
Nah.
>>345224247
I'm not defending it, I'd rather have a more logical way of solving those plot holes, but it's a decent deus ex machina.
And bringing up the transporter means that the other anon completely missed the point of my post.
>>345219445
Probably the same reason he made a bunch of robots based on a little kid he knew that died in the hospital.
>>345224405
In VLR it's mentioned Brother could transport his body between timelines, which is impossible by the rules of how the morphogenetic field has worked in all three games.
A device like the transporter is the only way he could solve that.
Some other anons also think Alice and Clover were sent back using it, I don't think that's the case though, most likely the whole VLR epilogue was just scrapped.
>>345224734
>In VLR it's mentioned Brother could transport his body between timelines
I don't think it was. In fact, I think it hinted at his mind hack abilities. It said something along the lines of "Brother could touch the thoughts of others."
>>345224734
more like the entirety of VLR was scrapped
>>345224734
>In VLR it's mentioned Brother could transport his body between timelines
That's not a plot hole as that could easily be an exaggeration.
>>345224890
That's a line. VLR did indeed also hint his mind hacking abilities, which is why I wasn't surprised by that twist (and yet some people in the first ZTD threads thought it was an asspull).
>>345224947
It would be stupid to think it was an exaggeration. It is a plothole to give him powers that contradict the rules of the universe.
>>345224920
Now that's just shitposting, some things were retconned but VLR definitely happened.
>>345225269
>That's a line.
That's another* line I meant.
