Zero Time Dilemma
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Is Uchikoshi aware people fucking hated the ending?
>muh moral choices
What the fuck is so moral about deciding to throw a dice or have a monty hall problem shoved to you?
So glad I pirated this shit it had like 3 puzzles and the rest was a bad anime episode.
M I N D H A C K
not to mention that most of the choices just had a bad ending and "the right choice", like the shoot sigma choice where if he's saved you all get shanked anyways
>>345097389
The only moral decision was literally the revolver decision.
I was expecting more shit like that and instead got disappointment that the decision was wasted on that 9 minute trailer
It wasn't that bad. Fucking babies that can't understand simple complex motives.
>>345097389
But if diana is the mom, then why phi is flat?
>>345098003
Go away, Q
>>345098003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU
>>345098125aliens
I already thought that Sigma was surprisingly dumb for a guy who was getting a PHD
In ZTD he is supposedly a 67 year old genius in various areas and somehow he is even denser and dumber than before
>>345098309
>and somehow he is even denser and dumber than before
Can you give us a example of when he was dumb and dense?
>>345097389
I think he's living in his own world.
>>345098309
I had beef with that as well, dude talks about termite analogies and developed AI
>>345098352
one example being when he just chooses a random fucking point on the transporter timeline because he doesn't understand the machine (after solving that room) while Carlos is able to use it effectively with himself and Akane/Junpei almost instantly
>>345097803
>Kill one of the other teams
>Kill BOTH the other teams with acid showers
>Mexican standoff
There were some moral choices here and there.
>>345098416
Damn it Uchi, when do we get a Q/A?
What does this game ruin about the rest of the series' lore? I've only played this and VLR
>>345098541
I don't think you understand. The theme of ZTD is to encourage the players to think for themselves about "What is right?" This is very deep.
>>345098623
It ruins nothing.
inb4: WHERE`S KYLE?
>>345098736
That's why I ask, but I'm not sure how exactly this game stops Kyle from existing
Welcome to ZTD, where the timelines are made up and the choices don't matter
>>345098819
Have you played VLR's hidden epilogue?
>>345098819
It stops him from existing through the patented technique of almost entirely ignoring him.
>>345098623
>>345098819
It essentially character assassinated Sigma, Akane, and Junpei.
It completely fucked on the presences of Aoi, Light, and Kyle (while Aoi and Light didn't necessarily have to make a comeback, it was said that they would). Kyle should have been an integral part of the story and was instead completely ignored.
It completely rewrote who the fuck Brother was and what his motivations were, just hamfisting them in instead of doing anything meaningful with them.
The whole deal in VLR was weaker espers fed into others, but then you get to the end of ZTD and it's suddenly "Hey let's all shift together and take the consciousnesses of these two regular people with us because we can suddenly do that due to C O M P L E X R E S O N A N C E"
Alien technology out of nowhere.
>>345098623
-aliens
-phis eyebrows
-kyle never shows up
-? is never explained
-Junpei was inside of the mars test site not watching it
-sigma never made the 'skeleton' for luna just what she looked like
-the mission alice and clover were on never got explained
-Junpei is a shifter in ZTD when thats not how his powers were explained in 999
-Akane doesnt act as smart as she should be
this is off the top of my head, pretty sure there was more
>>345098476
>one example being when he just chooses a random fucking point on the transporter timeline because he doesn't understand the machine
They explained it, it's alien technology. He can't read alien so he pressed random shit. He even says it when Diana asked him (during the time they get stuck inside the bunker for like 8 months)
> while Carlos is able to use it effectively with himself and Akane/Junpei almost instantly
Probably blind luck, doubt he can read alien as well.
>>345099153
How did sigma know how to send the twins back past 2009?
>>345099078
Phi has red hair
In the future everyone has roboy skeletons, sigma made the skin
Can someone fucking explain me why there was bloos in the lockers in the medical room
>>345099208
Becauseplot holes.
>>345099208
I don't think he meant to send them that far back. He can't read alien after all so he just tried anything.
>>345099208
He had 10 months to learn ayylium. Maybe after giving Diana the Siggy he finally started to act like the genius he's supposed to be.
>>345099243
I just ment that the changed her eyebrows from the generic black ones from VLR
If she had ginger eyebrows in VLR I wouldnt have brought it up
>have childhood friend you just happen to hang out with
>lose all contact with her for 9 years
>be a grown man in college
>get kidnapped and meet that friend again for 9 hours during a death game
>find out said friend planned the entire game after she'd fled the scene
>I MUST FIND HER AND MARRY HER!
>>345099374
>>I don't think he meant to send them that far back.
>there is a timeline where Sigma sent his twins back to when the aliens still had the transporter
Best dad.
>>345099409
Hadn't thought of that, good point!
>>345099437
Phi's hair color was most likely also dyed in VLR, including her eyebrows.It's not like there's any way to disprove this theory now that we know she does dye her hair color.
>>345099521
Akane is cute as fuck, I don't blame him.
>>345099606
Okay but how?
Her hair could remain the same color, that's fine. For eyebrows, not only is it incredibly hard to dye them safely, but when would she get a chance? In the 4 months (when she should have fucking killed herself) before being frozen and halting Radical-6? Just after being woken up? Akane did it for fun?
>>345099551
>>>I don't think he meant to send them that far back.
>>there is a timeline where Sigma sent his twins back to when the aliens still had the transporter
>Best dad.
To be fair... they were desperate as fuck. No more food, no water. He just wanted to give them a fair chance to live a life outside that shelter.
And fuck Akane for leaving them in there to starve and die...
>>345099153
>>345099208
>>345099265
>>345099374
>>345099409
Because its a timeline you silly mother fuckers. You can see the fucking screen with your eyeballs.
Sigma merely clicked one of the other adjacent lines, because he only wanted to try and find a timeline where they were still in the game but phi was alive.
Sigma knew where to send the twins because he just rolled back the machine really really far back on the timelines. He even says this to diana "to before this ever happened" We at LEAST understand the numbers so it'd be easy to figure out when the last time we know for sure someone who is not delta had the machine.
Carlos works on the same theory, obviously carlos just rolled back the machine a bit and hoped for the best. If carlos knew how the machine worked clearly he could have easily just selected "1 minute before the game starts" but he ends up selecting 3 months ago and having to wait because LITERALLY he just rolled back on the VISIBLE FUCKING TIMELINE.
Are you guys actually retarded?
>>345099718
They were in the old world joining the program that led to ZTD and taking part in it for months. What the fuck are you talking about? of course she had time to do whatever the fuck she wanted.
>>345099735
No, just having fun with stupid ideas. That's what Uchikoshi wanted us to do.
>>345097565
This. 999 was the only good one.
>>345099831
But she had Radical-6 because she was patient zero, and there was no way for her to do anything aside from kill herself.
She should have done that in the interim anyway.
>>345099718
>Okay but how?
>Her hair could remain the same color, that's fine. For eyebrows, not only is it incredibly hard to dye them safely
Use a highlighter. Shit's not hard at all to change eyebrow colors.
>but when would she get a chance?
She was probably frozen with the highlighter on her eyebrows or she dyed it before getting frozen.
> In the 4 months (when she should have fucking killed herself) before being frozen and halting Radical-6?
Why not?
> Just after being woken up? Akane did it for fun?
You're thinking too much into it and making such a big mountain out of a fucking anthill. It's not a big deal.
>>345099437
The new artist also made a point for her hair to be "pink tones, not pure white" in ZTD when her original design's hair was clearly vividly pure white.
>>345098416
>>345098656
Isn't that the same baloney Kojima pulled with MGSV?
>the twist absolutely sucked
>"that's the point guys"
>>345100003She was one of the 25% that survived
Your entire retard problem up in flames.
>>345099902
TO SET A CORRECT FRAME OF MIND.
>>345098309
it was never said he was getting his phd, he was just a college student.
>>345100087But anon the 75% claim isn't real because VLR outright states that everyone who gets Radical-6 is filled with the urge to commit suicide, something that can't get retconned because it makes zero sense if you DO retcon it that a suicide virus would only make you suicide 75% of the time
>>345100142
But he outright said it himself
>>345099831
But right after the mars mission is when she got frozen and thats when she had ginger eyebrows, she was infected with radical-6 too so I dont think shed worry too much about her eyebrows at the time
Someone called Sigma nothing but a sperm donor, and I realized they're exactly right. Sucks because I know he's a lot of people's favorite protag, if not their favorite character, period.
Did they never see or talk aboutQ because he was mindhacking them? Or they came to accept the fact that a blind/deaf man in a wheelchair had no bearing on the game, despite always hanging around?
>>345100065
I love high-waisted shorts, but giving her a top with the exact same color made her torso look all rubbery and way too long.
>>345100290
the second one, which is especially silly on sigma/phi/akane's part because he fits the only two known characteristics of brother
>>345100065
can you post all of the designs for the characters
>>345100369
Phi and Sigma have the same colour palette but swapped between pants/top.
>>345100290
They mention him several times, and sean, eric, and mira all make multiple considerations for him in the different timelines.
It's the reason eric is so OBVIOUSLY distrustful of sean, because hes just there with them and every player BUT sean is on the list of players.
It's obvious from the very first Q-team session available (The votes) Where Eric says hes just going to have to force Q to vote the way he wants, and then completely leaves sean alone and doesn't grab him and theres no struggle. They are also the only team not to blame sean for what happens during the vote or argue about the results. This is the first MAJOR MAJOR clue. Its entirely consistent.
>>345100142
Replay VLR
>>345100003
>>345100180
Sigma knew what Radical-6 did, and she was in a hospital. She was probably prevented from killing herself.
>>345100631
Uchi pls go
>>345100586
They're in the pre-order booklet.
http://mega.co.nz/#!FJg1EBYI!dvlA4guPBLPhzPkHbZn5uwKoQn6ICwVmgiuC0l8yh04
btw... was the artist for VLR some hentai artist? I recall the artbook for VLR had Phi nude somewhere.
>>345100921
But then how did she volunteer at the Crash Keys base?
>>345101315
AXELAVIR
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>>345101509but it didn't exist yet
>>345101558Sigma created it
>>345101627but even if he had, which is never said, it would be decades past 2029
>>345101673
But his consciousness was the one from "decades past 2029", so it would be possible for him to know the axelavir formula.
>>345101627
>>345101905Didn't they create Axelavir from the antibodies of immune people? So it's not something Sigma can make on the fly.
>>345101307
The artist for 999 and VLR was a long-time industry professional, Kinu Nishimura. She did a bunch of designs and artwork for things like Street Fighter back in the day.
Drawing characters in the nude isn't inherently perverted. It's a big anatomy exercise for serious artists.
999
>Sending information through time and space through esper and receiver in the familiar environment with same mass and matter, pretty logical i assume and brilliant at the same time
VLR
>Jump your concious from another timeline ie SHIFT (more like fuck this timeline im going to get to good ending)
ZTD
>FREE THE SOULS PRINCIPLES means more than 1 person can have the share the same information like your mind is connected with each other.
and... everyone can do SHIFT plus one guy literally can do magic MINDHACK
Junpei supposedly shoulda been a receiver not a SHIFTER too, ZTD pretty much fucked up the ZE lore
>>345097565
This.
>ze will neva solvu zis dodekuheduron!
>hahaha ze monti hallu puroburem!
>MINDHACCU
Don't talk about quantum physics for 2 games and then throw this elementary shit at me.
>>345099921
I felt this way until I realized what was going on in VLR, but I'm not entirely sure that wasn't the time investment talking. 999 was fantastic.
>>345102380
Culdcept.
>>345099641
I don't blame him. I blame Uchi for his shit writing.
>>345102454
the best review ever
>>345102454
>Akane is getting the Clover treatment now
I hate this
>>345102516
She did the designs for Culdcept Revolt, too, yeah. And Code of Princess. She's big enough that her name's highlighted as a selling point.
>>345103827
is that on pc? damn it reall looks stiff as fuck on 60fps, glad ire played it on vita, didnt notice that terrible animation too much, thanks vita frameratedrop!
>>345099153
>>345099735
...were you guys paying attention?
Sigma was just sort of blind guessing, sure..
But Carlos asks Sigma and Diana to show him how to use the machine before he uses it. That's how his fireman ass knows how to use it.
>>345104139
>Carlos uses the machine perfectly
>10 months Sigma sends his kids back to 1900s
what
>>345100369
Those are the shorts. They are high wasted. She is fashionable as fuck in this game. So is Akane.
>>345098541
It's only been two weeks.
>>345097780
> D-Team gets nuked by Akane making the antidote pointless
> No result where both Junpei and Carlos got Ally
Nobody even got a chance to leave the X-door
>>345098416
...Is there anything in particular that we can/should be theorizing about - something with an answer that isn't easily reachable and is objective (rather than a subjective "philosophical" explanation) - like Uchi suggested? It feels like the game itself left nothing for us to work off of and the ending itself is shallow as fuck...
I like to think there's something, but there's nothing. ;_;
>>345105743
There's nothing.
>>345104790
Jesus, it already feels like it's been out for at least a month.
>>345098416
>I need more time to make shit up
Fuck off, Uchi.
>>345105743
I wish Delta was meant to be a stand in for the player, since he forces them to make choices they normally wouldn't because he thinks it's "fascinating". But that idea falls apart in about two seconds because everything else in the game contradicts it.
So no, I've got nothing either.
>there are people who don't realise that 'mind hacking' is just the player's ability to influence characters' decisions
Why Zero Escape isn't popular in Japan like Danganronpa?
Danganronpa sucks.
>>345106487
Yeah I really like how I decided to, as Zero, blow up the entire fucking place for no reason other than BUTTON
>>345106489
What was Danganronpa rated?
Usually, their equivalent of our E rating has a higher chance of sales.
>>345099153
>He can't read alien so he pressed random shit.
He also mentioned that he was rushing the machine because he thought they were running out of time and would be injected with the memory loss drug making them completely forget about the machine. Basically it was either use the machine with some random timeline selected or maybe not get a chance to use the machine at all.
>>345106747
D (17+). That's a higher rating than 999 and VLR, which were both C (15+). Danganronpa was being pushed as a bigger title from the start, though.
>>345106126
Huh, I think I recognize you as one of the original Carlosposters by that filename. I could be imagining things, though.
>>345106303
Thanks for trying to find something. I personally wish there was more evidence on the fanatic. It's one thing to pull it out of nowhere, it's another to leave it hanging when he theoretically is a worse threat than Radical-6 ever was. His abilities, why he's able to elude Delta, who he is...there's nothing. It's like Uchi didn't think about the subject whatsoever and this stuff is entirely irrelevant.
where can i find more kinu nishimura art?
>>345106489
Because DR is wacky, zany high school adventures with some grimdark and crazy anime artstyle
ZE is just a bunch of boring characters playing SAW
>>345106489
If someone had MIND HACK/COMPLEX MOTIVES (DESPAIR) in Danganronpa, I'd be fine with it, because Danganronpa established early on that it's over the top with fucking ridiculous characters. Not all that serious.
But Zero Escape takes itself very seriously for the most part. As soon as Delta became a thing and he started talking with the group, it just became a joke to me though. I can't take that shit seriously. Can't do anything but laugh.
So I'm just gonna pretend Zero Escape ended with 999, or at best VLR. The open ending in 999 is fine desu. I prefer it over this at least.
>>345107121
That's me! Glad to see you're still around
I'm still finishing Virtue's Last Reward so hoping not to stay in this thread enough to get spoiled, but I wanted to ask: does anyone own the watch from VLR? I've been thinking of trying to purchase one and was wondering if it was actually sturdy and wouldn't break down after some use. I'd have to drop $100 or more for it and so I'd want to wear it daily but I worry about it being cheaply made. Anyone who owns the watch give me some info?
I woulda ordered the special edition of zero time dilemma watch but I hate the square design.
Happy puzzling!
>>345107815
Wow, it really is you! Guess we're both sticking to this boat until it sinks.
Here's an updated version of that pic for you...unless you like sketchiness, or something.
>>345107957
Never had the opportunity to own either, but I remember hearing that the 999 and VLR watches were both pretty shoddy and fell apart easily
>>345107957
I have the VLR one boxed up somewhere. I remember how disappointed I was when it literally arrived with a big scratch across the face of it. It's still pretty neat, though.
>>345109064
The VLR one sturdier than the 999 one.
>>345109336
I believe there's a protective sticker in front of it. I don't want to try to peel it off because I'm paranoid like that.
>>345109686
I'd have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure it was under the sticker. To be honest, I don't really remember, but I'd like to think I wasn't that stupid not to notice.
>>345108457
Niiiice, I didn't know it had been finished, thanks. I can't quit these threads either, even though we've pretty much talked over everything there is to discuss, like you said. They've just been a regular part of my day for so long now
I guess the power of MIND HACK wasn't enough to keep threads alive.
>>345111742
Game's so bad there's nothing to discuss.
Sometimes, I think this game isn't even real.
I hope they will give us C O M P L E X motives.
>>345112005
I'm waiting for the true end DLC. It's done like that to avoid spoilers.
>>345111742
Shame. I only just finished the game, so I guess I missed the boat.
I still think it was worth the purchase, but like a lot of people seem to be saying, the big satisfaction just wasn't there at the end, or at least not as much as the other games.Maybe the fans' expectations of a satisfying ending was Uchi's plan from the beginning, and this entire meme-ridden post-experience is all part of a bigger ruse.
>>345112005
Uchi's motives are complex. The entire game was intentionally botched to lead to a plethora of memes.
Does anybody have a screen cap of when Delta's shadow is in a shot, but he's gone in the next?
Is Eric the biggest cuckold in Zero Escape?
>>345114123
That's Junpei
>>345110082
Well, if we hear something more from Uchi or about the new port of 999, then things will pick up for a while.
I'm looking forward to the temporary chaos that'll ensue on /v/ once the Q & A is released...even if it'll only be 99% rage. There is no way Uchi will be able to answer everything.
>>345113601
>Delta can't move between shots
He is blind, not paraplegic.
>>345114493
why the fuck would someone pretending to be blind and deaf move around without bumping into things anon
>>345114631
>2028
>quantum computers and advanced ais are a thing
And automated wheelchairs is where you draw the line?
why did delta blow up everything?
they didnt -need- to jump like they did at the very end to come to the realization that they can stop the terrorist did they?
also why did delta gab? why did he kill himself? that whole timeline is confusing...
>>345106303
>since he forces them to make choices they normally wouldn't because he thinks it's "fascinating".
Holy shit, that would actually be perfect. And a much better moral dilemma than the "fucking over your other selves" shit.
I think I've liked a lot of the plot twists people have thrown out in here better than the ones in the actual game. If Zero had actually been the quantum computer evoking one of the Laws of Robotics to save humanity I might have actually shit a brick.
>>345107121
The fanatic gives me the impression that the game was super crunched for time/budget desu
Like there's all this buildup with the Apocalypse scene and the SHIFTing and then Zero is speaking directly to them and you think there's going to be some giant revelation or something and then he just brings up the terrorist for the first time and suddenly that's the big point of the game. Like they were working towarda some kind of climax and realized "shit this really needs to end faster".
Did anyone else think the Force Quit box was disappointing? It was there the whole game and it was such a mystery I expected it to do something insane but no just Diana getting another fucking killstreak
>>345115143
He killed Gab becauseC O M P L E X M O T I V E S
As to why he killed himselfCOMPLEX
MOTIVES
Someone with photoshop skills and/or more motivation than me should take D.Va and put Diana's head on her and give her mech a Radical-6/biohazard symbol and a giant WARNING DO NOT PRESS button
>>345115143
>why did delta blow up everything?
>they didnt -need- to jump like they did at the very end to come to the realization that they can stop the terrorist did they?
A near death situation that would give the SHIFTers a powerup and would allow non SHIFTers like Mira, Eric and possibly Delta himself the ability to shift.
>also why did delta gab? why did he kill himself? that whole timeline is confusing...
Killed Gab because he knew the SHIFTers would have second thought if they have to abandon Gab, remember how they came up with that "IF WE SHIFT WE KILL OUR OTHER SELVES!!" bullshit that is never mentioned again before the explosion? Imagine if they also had to consider Gab, the fact that everyone is a dog lover in this game wouldn't help.
>>345115572
are you trying to meme on me?
>>345115143
He needed them to shift to a timeline where they were all safe, but also to one where there was nothing criminal with which to convict him.
He killed Gab either because he's also a shifter, or he didn't want them to jump before they activated the force quit box, because they didn't know when Gab died.
He killed himself so they wouldn't spend the last minutes trying to get him to stop the bomb, forcing them to shift.
>>345112930
But he didn't even know what a meme was. This paradox is complex.
>>345114398
I'm almost excited to hear what he pulls out of his ass to explain Kyle
My money's on
>He swapped bodies with a security guard at Dcom to let Sigma, Phi and Akane in so technically he was there and he was essential to their plan
>>345115724
but why did they need to shift? what was wrong with that timeline?
Delta is a good guy, he makes little kids' dreams come true.
>>345115724
>blows reactor without giving sigma and co the opportunity to shift
>b-but the dog
Take your theory somewhere else, hippie.
>>345115883
See >>345115804
>He needed them to shift to a timeline where they were all safe, but also to one where there was nothing criminal with which to convict him.
He also wanted them to completely grasp how SHIFTing worked so they could make a super team to track the so-often-mentioned "fanatic".
>>345116023
I'm taking you forgot to upload an image of Akana, right? Good point.
I have beef with two endings I still haven't seen anyone discuss.
1) D-team end where Mira murdere everyone. As Sigma starts hallucinating Luna he says "My SHIFTing connection has been cut, I'm dying for real bla bla bla". What is that about? How? Why? It was never expanded upon.
2) D-team ending where they all leave through the X-door and at the last moment Diana, apparently being mindhacked, ditches them and goes back inside to Zero applauding her for being a cunning manipulator and making up "false personalities" so she could get pitied by D-team or some shit. What the fuck? Also something not expanded upon.
The more I think about this game the more respect I lose for Uchi.
>>345115143
If he would not have killed himself, he would have gotten the same SHIFT powers as Mira and Eric due to the resonance. He didn't want to shift.
This game would be better if Clover was in it.
>>345115804
i considered that he wanted to go to a timeline in which there was no convicting criminal evidence but why did he not hide everything is THAT timeline? he should have known what was happening as soon as no one died from the vote through mindhack.
>>345116142
i suppose it could be considered their final test but didnt the force quit box already do that?
>>345116721
It wouldn't be worse that's for sure.
>>345116721
This is factually correct.
>>345116845
>but why did he not hide everything is THAT timeline?
Zero time, I suppose. Alternatively, because he needed all of them to converge to a single point, so they would all have the proper memories, before they shifted to the end. He didn't want anyone jumping on their own to the happy end.
Diana is CUTE!
>>345117737
Shame she's a whore.
>>345117737
>that art quality
Why boot kinu nishimura for an inferior artist and spend all their money on A-list seiyuus literally no one in the west gives two fucks about? I swear it's like the ZTD team is legally retarded at this point.
>>345118020
That's literally just quick sketches, also I saved that as a .jpg.
>>345118020
>no one in the west gives two fucks about
Lmao. Weebs eat that shit up like there is no tomorrow.
>>345116157
Mira and Eric were only able to SHIFT because they were exposed to the resonance of a large group of people who could SHIFT. No where does it state that they gained the ability to SHIFT after exposure.
>>345118281
That fucking resonance argument is like when you would play tag with an entitled little spoiled brat shithead who would keep making up rules on the spot to ensure that he always won.
>Uchikoshi
>>345118020
i love kinu nishimura but i'm p. sure no one in the west cares about her either
>>345117737
Cute! CUTE!
>>345118281
I think anon meant that he didn't want to shift in general. Possibly so he could retain the excuse of "I didn't even know I did all that murder stuff, I had to mind hack y'all to find out"
>>345118281
>Diana leans to shift
>Junpei learns to shift
but not Eric and Mira, no sir. that would be silly.
>>345118219
The coloring is good but those fucking eyebrows kill it for me desu
>>345118219
Is the artbook PC-version only or something? Is it online anywhere?
Luna >>>> Diana
>>345118650
I just used the Capture tool on this.
>>345101223
>>345105743
...I just looked up the snail on the wiki and found something interesting--that the infamous snail is suggested to have been controlled by a parasite. This story and the "butterfly effect" theme put forth by it is a huge deal in ZTD and for it to actually have been the work of some sort of parasite is fishy. Why is it even important to note something like that? Moreover...
>Zero calls Carlos the snail (does he do this to anyone else?)
>To describe actions/decisions that seem to be against someone's character, a human-controlling parasite much like the leucochloridium is brought up
>Incidentally, this metaphor is used to describe Carlos who is also the only person whose background isn't relevant to the plot (snail, VLR, 999)
I'm not going to suggest that the parasite in the snail was the work of some insidious force or that Carlos really was involved in the backstory all along. However, the parallels are there and it makes me wonder if Carlos was actually being controlled. Not by a parasite, but perhaps by another consciousness.
Can someone repost all the clues that Delta exist before
>>345118219
>She cares for Sigma and Phi, and thinks of them as her brother and sister
Good job fucking your brother and birthing your sister.
>>345118529
Junpei is plausible, since he could already access the morphogenetic field. Maybe Diana got it because she spent the most time around the (assumedly) strongest shifters there?
>>345118020
I love Nishimura and consider her one of my favorite artists but ZE never used her very well (always making her do hideous flat colors when her painterly ones look so much better) plus her costumes were a little too goofy for ZE. The new artist is still good and a better fit for the series' tone, they just had shit luck and got associated with crappy budget models and some sloppy writing.
>>345117681
i suppose ill go with this. narrowing it down to one "good" timeline would make it easier for everyone to converge on.
>>345118912
Gotcha, I think not all of them are right and it's missing a few though.
>>345119118
Why is Sigma so BIG?
>>345116143
Thinking about Diana and the 'multiple personality's' bit it reminds me there was also a bit where Diana says 'It makes the dream better' like she thinks none of this is even happening, what is going on in her head.
Is Blick here?There's still a stream today, right?
How would you save the lore of the series?
- They said ZTD is non-canon like everyone is started to assume Another Time is non-canon.
- A very good explanation in-game universe
(Q&A and DLC)
- Everything was Sigma's Dream before December 31st takes place.
- Very good explanation about budget/time/Uchikoshi didn't write the whole thing.
- Answer every question in Q&A with things like: The reason is complex.
"Where is Kyle?
It's complex.
Alien technology?
It's complex
Where is Clover and Light?
This will be revealed in the 3rd game. I hope you guys look for... w-wait. It's complex."
>>345118964
Maybe Eric's dad was an esper. And Mira got it because she spent some time trying to touch Eric's heart.
Maybe.
>>345119118
>tfw will never be a qt girl and wear qt clothes like Akane and phi
>>345119451
Blick is dead. Uchi killed him.
>>345097389
What are people even talking about? The ending was good, better then the mess that VLR was
>>345118881
>Carlos is the fanatic
>>345119821
>ending
>good
Uchi get the fuck out of here
>>345115724
>>345115804
>>345116142
I thought the bomb was going to be like the bit at the end of VLR when Akane stabs sigma and he jumps back in time but it turns out she didnt really stab him at all, so then the group who won the coin toss would switch with the group that lost and things could get explained to them or something
Why didn't sigma and Diana just stop wearing clothes in stranded end? Keeping that one pair clean for 10 months had to be annoying.
>>345119118
>plus her costumes were a little too goofy for ZE. The new artist is still good and a better fit for the series' tone
100% agreement. They all look so nicely plain compared to the rest of the series.
>>345119450
That's during the twins end, right? I think that's her starting to go off the deep end.
Can we all agree that the taxi that killed the surgeon was probably the accident Snake lost his arm and eyes?.
Shit, I bet its somehow related to Carlos house getting fire.
>>345119118
This art is so gorgeous besides Diana's down syndrome eyes
Is Sigma meant to be Japanese?
>>345120470
Can't we all agree that doesn't change a damn thing like most twists in ZTD?
>>345120642
The game is really really shitty, I never said otherwise
The most disappointing was no final puzzle room, 999 had sudoku, VLR had Minesweeper, I was expecting 5 line in ZTD
>>345120184
>see Sigma's 18 inches
>irresistible urge to fuck
They needed to wear clothes to preserve their energy and food supply.
>>345119118
>>345119398
Sigma looks pretty much the same size as everyone in that picture.
But his ingame model is atleast 2x the size of Phi, he's a giant.
>>345119118
Sorry but those designs are fucking boring. Washed out colors, simplistic color-block pieces. The cinematic style just made them even more boring to stare at. Look at that palette, it's literally the color of stale puke.
>>345119983
>Carlos is the fanatic
I'll be honest and say that I always enjoyed that idea - we actually do have an unaccounted for 2nd Carlos post true-end on top of it - but it only works as a fun idea. As a theory it's whack.
>If Zero all along knew that Carlos would be the fanatic, what the fuck was all that shit about stopping him?
An elaborate lie?
>Carlos has something approaching a god complex in regards to his SHIFTing powers and he seems to have an almost unhinged obsession with saving people, but he's too much of a good person to ever become evil
>Something needs to catalyze his emergence as the fanatic. If his sister is cured after the Decision Game and doesn't die, then what else is there?
>>345119118
>junpei around the same height as Carlos
HA
>>345121298
>goes home only to find Carlos 1 banging Maria
I'd go insane too.
>>345120481
I think they were going for a Leiji Matsumoto girl droopy eyes look, but it works better if it's more stylized.
Was anybody else paying a ton of extra attention to the blood splatters in the game? When Carlos was spewing blood in the ending where it's him vs. Akane, it made me think back to that bit with Q Team in the Bio Lab where they find out about the disease that makes you spurt out blood. I thought for sure it'd be revealed at some point that Carlos had that disease and him escaping would cause some other problem, but nothing ever came of it.
>oh shit sudoku being solved through spacetime
>oh shit Sigma is actually an old guy and him knowing it would fuck everything
>oh shit there was a guy in a wheelchair all along acknowledged by everyone besides the player
Kind of underwhelming.
Is there a name for the theory they were talking about where our real brains are somewhere else and they're just sending signals to our brain and how to operate out bodies?
>>345098416
Figured this would happen. All the faggots who thought the game was satisfying and conclusive who throw a shitfit when someone has a legitimate complaint about the game would feed him this "pat-yourself-on-the-back" bullshit so he thinks it was a great game.
Guess we're the ones who got sodomized in all timelines.
>>345121754
Quantum Mind or something
>>345121031
The designs being boring is good because they look like actual fucking people. Every single character in VLR has an ungodly shit design. I mean, fuck, Quark's helmet? Are you shitting me? Alice's stupid boob ring? Everything about Clover? The only good looking characters in VLR are Phi, Tenmyouji and K, who only gets a pass because he's wearing a big fucking robot suit and not just "these are my everyday clothes, please ignore that they are fucking retarded."
>>345120608
No? I guess we can't say it with absolute certainty but it seems like a leap in logic given that his name is western, he was attending college in the US, is fucking huge, and has nothing connecting him to Japan.
>>345121821
So where's the proof that ZTD is the third game in the Zero Escape series and not just a companion to VLR?
I just finished the game. So one of the major reasons that Delta created the game was so he and Phi could exist, even though they already exist. What the fuck does that even mean?
>>345122289
did you even play 999?
>>345122361
Yes. The Akane made the game to save herself who died in the past didn't make much sense to me either. I'm legitimately retarded. Explain please.
>>345119118
Junpei and Carlos are so hot in the official art, I'm so mad the models were trash. How could they seriously not have had the time to give Junpei his jacket?
>>345122289
The loop must be completed. He knows he was born via the decision game happening, so he has to make sure to make the decision game in order to get born.
>>345122617
Same with Akane. She knows that she only survived because Junpei communicated with her from the Nonary game, so she had to make the Nonary game so Junpei could communicate with her.
>>345119118
"Okay Eric, just stand there for the picture, okay?"
"Uh, yeah, you got it. Normal human standing. Like this, right?"
>Sigma supposedly didn't eat much during the pregnancy
>At the end he still has a buffed up frame and the only difference you can see is shadows around his eyes
Not very convincing
>>345121031
Adjust your eyes, those designs are just colorful enough for the tone especially considering they were going for a darker, more realistic look, there are many subtle pink, purple, and blue hues throughout and saturation in just the right places, the only one that looks like washed-out puke is Eric and it still suits his character. Of course I like Nishimura's super colorful street fighter art but that doesn't suit the series at all plus her palette never translated that well in-game.
I can't decide whether or not I like the team setup that was in this game. The group dynamics were alright, but I would've liked to at least see Sigma and Junpei interact a little, since they've both got such a complicated history with Akane.
>>345122796
He's only comfortable in front of a camera when in costume.
>>345119451
>stream
Sorry, been real busy as of late, dunno if I'm able to stream at all this weekend.
>>345123873
ah, no worries m8.
Kek just got to the wheelchair twist.
This shit is retarded.
>>345124013
You've reached the best part of the game and the glorious climax of the series.
>>345124013
There's a decent bit of foreshadowing to it, but since it's such a dumb and pointless twist that only shocks the player and not the characters it's got no weight or punch at all.
>>345122927
I get it that the colors are supposed to fit the dark theme but the outfits are bland, even for everyday wear. No one has an individual style despite maybe Phi and Mira, who's supposed to look like the token ZE slut. I really enjoyed the 999 fashion even though it was more colorful, you could feel character's individual personalities that weren't edgy cuck junpei or titty monster mira. I mean, Akane is dressed like a 40 year old MILF, how is that in character with her dumb ZTD Clover-esque self?
>tfw even Sharin no Kuni handled the secret character that players don't know about twist far better than ZE did
Well, that's the last time I get excited for anything.
>>345122927
ZTD doesn't look particularly dark, realistic, subtle, or tone-setting.
I'm glad I never thought Zero Escape had good writing to begin with so this wasn't that devastating for me. Sucks to be you guys.From my standpoint 999 is actually the weakest because while it has the least flaws it is also the least entertaining.
stopped playing at dude lmao alien technology
also it's boring as fuck
>>345124975
He was talking about the art and design for the characters, not the budget modeling/animation.
Also good job posting a picture when they're outside and not in the grim death game.
>>345125102
...So, any particular reason why you want to start up a conversation here, then?
>>345125418
>that jaw and neck
Is Mira transsexual?
>>345097780
Shit, I completely forgot about that. Who killed them in that ending anyway?
>>345125418
They used "her palette never translated that well in-game" as a point against Nishimura. Is it not fair to bring up how Tomono's art translates in-game? And that was the first picture that showed the whole cast in-game that I could find.
>>345125734
Mira did. Delta mentioned that she killed them one time.
>>345125102
Alien tech wasn't even that bad.
>>345098416
The foreshadowing doesnt count when there are clear contradictions to all those foreshadowing.
Even if we pretend it made sense, it still doesnt answer where is Kyle (?), why did they retcon Left, the retarded snail plot, Sigma acting like a fucking retard instead of abusing shifting mechanics like Carlos did, the complex motives of Q, and the rest of the retconning (is it even a retcon when you just plain ignore and dont even mention all of those dropped plots?)
>>345126264
>why did they retcon Left
What if the original Sean was actually just a time transported version of the original Left and that's why Delta cared about him so much? Is there any reason that couldn't be a thing?
>VLR
Old Jumpei complains about being locked into the bad ending future even if they go back and change the timeline because they lack the shifting abilities, since he is a receiver.
>ZTM
Oh well, time to shift again since I only need to be near a single shifter to develop the ability for myself!
>>345126535
Yes, because its in your head instead of being in the game.
>>345124613
Where the hell do you live where Akane's outfit is something a MILF would wear? The bow belt + cream sweater dress + tights + side-ponytail are chic as fuck, I see the look her and Phi sport all the time by college girls metropolitan areas. Diana's look is modest and cute, Eric clearly hates picking clothes, Carlos is casual and invokes that all-american boy look, I really don't see the issues you're talking about.
>>345124975
We are talking about the artist/designer, the original post this stems from explicitly said the art got fucked over by the budget. Not to mention that's an outdoor shot.
>>345126624
They seemed to completely ignore the sender/receiver thing in ZTD. I don't remember that even being the explanation for Junpei's shifting, IIRC he just started doing it like he always could.
>>345125828
>Is it not fair to bring up how Tomono's art translates in-game?
Perhaps it would be fair if ZTD didn't have the budget of an afternoon picnic, in addition to going for a cinematic style instead of a VN one. I mean, stuff like Junpei's jacket not appearing clearly points to a lack of execution in-game, rather than being a poor design from the start.
The REAL question is, how well did it sell?
>>345126978
I hope badly.
>>345127151
Honestly, I just want Uchikoshi to wipe his hands of ZE and move on to something new.
>>345126978
I hope it sold great!Probably mediocre.
>>345126935
The budget excuse wouldn't be an issue if the VA cast didn't cost a million dollars.
>>345125828
Because Nishimura actually had art in-game. I won't count the shitty VLR models against her designs but these illustrations are her and they aren't great.
>>345127323
Seriously.
>mfw Wakamoto is the first name to pop up in the credits
But you know, in Japan that's enough to sell copies, just having famous seiyuu.
>>345127254
I don't.
He will just complain about muh budget and muh director all over again.
>>345127452
Funny considering Japan doesn't give a fuck about ZE.
>>345127430
Nishimura didn't do the in-game artwork. That was by Chunsoft's visual team. Nishimura did the concepts and official illustrations.
>>345127430
That doesn't even remotely look like Nishimura's style.
>>345119118
Is Eric an autist?
>>345127452
I don't think Wakamoto was ever in Zero Escape.
>>345127887
Whoops, misremembered. It was Sugita, not Wakamoto.
>>345127869
You probably are for having to ask that question.
>>345127430
That's not Nishimura you dolt
>>345097803
How the fuck was the revolver decision a moral one? Sigma was entirely right about it. The only thing the decision was really about was being willing to take responsibility for an outcome.
>>345100081
The difference here is that Uchi will eventually make a Q&A, but he wants some fan discussion and post-game theories to crop up before doing so. Kind of a shifty move but hey
>>345128060
Does that makes Eric an autist?
>>345127654
Is there a source for that? Because it would be a load off my mind, I was always so baffled as to how her art looked so shit in ZE games when the concepts seemed like her usual greatness. But I stand by the other artist being a better fit. 999 and VLR characters looked like they stepped out of a costume party and it's jarring, like I should be playing a DR game instead, and there's no point using her as a designer if they won't even retain her charm in the art, her designs don't translate well at all into other styles.
Did they get the memory loss drug after losing the coin flip?
>>345128318
Alien race is the terrorist
Discuss
>>345110082
Wow those screenshots are bad. And that resolution aspect... I'm pretty sure that's the 3ds version.... enlarged a bit...
>>345128618
No, that's the Vita version. The 3DS version looks completely different.
>>345128243
>was really about was being willing to take responsibility for an outcome
Isn't that exactly what the question of morality is? Am I going to let this person certainly die because I don't have the guts to potentially kill someone else myself?
>>345128420
Yes, otherwise Carlos or someone else would've known Zero was Q.
>>345126779
Somewhere with actual decent fashion.
>>345128821
That's what I was thinking about, I just don't remember it actually happening.
>>345126264
>The foreshadowing doesnt count when there are clear contradictions to all those foreshadowing.
The foreshadowing doesn't count when the game fucking cheats you out of the very thing it's using. There are a bunch of scenes where you can see Delta's shadow, but his model is never visible, no matter how often the camera shows exactly where his body should be. The pod room section is the most obvious instance of this shit.
>>345128682
> No, that's the Vita version.
Nah, the vita version is wider and much sharper. Like this pic which is a screenshot from the vita version that I took last week.
Is thefourth gameconfirmed?
Only D team and Q team had epilogue files.
I would like to stop theexploder manand find outif Carlospulled the trigger, which would make him a criminal.
I loved the English VA. If I replay it I'll try out the Japanese VA.
But, Aoi isn't pronounced Owie Junpei's English VA.
>>345098736
Bingo. What was the point of VLR's ending then.
>Pre ordered 3ds and steam version
>Pirated the game 2 days earlier because I couldnt wait anymore for the great ending of the series
>The ending is shit
>Cancelled/Refunded the fuck out of my orders
I guess Uchi you could say I had COMPLEX MOTIVES to refund your shit.
I hope you also get a COMPLEX kind of cancer in your fucking hack colon.
>>345128916
>thinks his cosplay closet is good fashion
wew
>>345128683
Am I the only one who thought that the ~moral dilemma~ aspect of the choices fell completely flat since you had to go back and do the other one anyway? The only thing that mattered was finding the right choice to advance the storyline.
>>345128618
it looks better in motion
but yeah the 3DS version resolution is killing my eyes
Biggest failure of ZTD is how two teams (C and D) fully embrace the ability to timeline hop out of every bad situation by the end of the game. I can handle some occasional wacky time travel/timeline hopping, but having the story resolve by letting 9 people shift back to the start of the game is where it definitely had most fans groaning (if not earlier in the story).
Q team had its own problems
i agree with whoever is saying the outfits suck; the male fashion is especially atrocious. the only passable outfit is phi
>>345129127
>implying americuck fashion is actually good
>>345098416
>reddit is more acknowledged than 4chan
kek
>>345129285
But anon! Killing those other selves is ~murder~, don't you see the complex moral choice SHIFTers have to make?
>>345129176
Yeah, and especially unlike VLR you don't really stick around long enough for the choice to matter.
>>345129413
If you think 999 and VLR had better fashion than ZTD then you stepped straight out of an anime con, and I'm saying that as someone who likes Nishimura.
>>345129176
This. And now add the fact that you know the whole map of events from the beginning and then it becomes a stupid tick the check box game.
There is no moral dilemma when you do one and then you are forced to do the other exactly after the first one.
Shitfing should have been limited to one or two characters tops. In fact, shitfing should be limited to the only 2 characters that got training for it. A training that had decades of development and preparation. It kinda defeats the purpose of VLR to make everyone attain shitfing powers so easily.
And what kind of stupid moral dilemma is to usurp the bodies of the blue coin team? They did it all the times, countless of times during the game.
Anyone defending this garbage must be getting mindhacked into doing it.
>>345129515
funny that they decide to bring that up after doing it several times already
>>345129572
Not better fashion but they were more visually appealing. You know, considering this is a video game after all. I'm not saying you can't do muted tones in vidja well without making the whole thing boring, I'm just saying ZTD didn't succeed in it.
>>345129096
There is a 0.000000000000000000001% chance of that happening considering sales and the fact that it's a miracle that this got made in the first place. Don't bet on it.
>they actually reused the "but last time you picked betray" twist
>>345129176
I think the ones that actually are dilemmas range from good to great, but all of them suffer because of both the fucking fragment system and jumping between teams not forcing any consequences on you.
>>345129585
Eh, I'd let Akane do it too since she's supposed to be a shifting demigod.
>>345129986
This. It was only good the first time.
>>345129023
>Delta can't move between shots
>>345129176
When this came up I was sure they were going to involve the player's forcing them through every horrible event in the story, but then they just dropped the whole thing for a much shittier twist.
>>345129071
>>345129260
Those definitely aren't 3DS version screenshots. This is what the 3DS version looks like.
Why were all of the Seanbot's heads rusted in the exact same place? Did Zero pick this as a stylistic choice? Really killed it for me since I was expecting some contrast between Seanbots. Would have been more interesting.
>>345130186
No, faggot. Go watch the actual scenes. The only way Delta could have avoided being in the camera in the pod room is if he could either teleport or shrink himself to the size of an ant. Stop being a dipshit.
>>345129986
>They literally put the AB Game in a single room in a single route in a single scene JUST SO THEY COULD REUSE THAT TWIST
complex
fucking
motives
>>345129820
>more visually appealing
Seriously? Only a middle schooler would think this outfit doesn't look like an embarrassing mess, it's like something out of Hot Topic.
So was Eric's brother raped to death by his dad?
>we were just poisoned and are now convulsing on the floor
>someone sent us an antidote
>better not take it, it might be poison
I can't take this shit seriously
>>345129754
Difference that their selves from the Picking The Wrog Side of The Coin were already doomed, and then dying wasn't a big lost, they thought probably.
It became a Dilenma because their selves from the Picking the Right Side of the Coin DID have a future and a life ahead of them...
I think.
why does junpei dress so boring/terrible now? it's like he started reading hypebeast for a year and then bought his whole wardrobe at zara
>>345130556
but that's right. aoi's a faggot, it's only appropriate he dress like one.
>>345130834
sorry, meant to post a junpei ztd pic
>>345130698
But anon, what if it was just some sort of pain drug?
>>345130834
I don't know what any of that means.
>>345130438
>AI resides in quantum computer
>quantum computer controls the cameras
>Delta can mindhacc
>>345130790
It's still dumb because either way one of their selves was going to die, might has well have the ones that know the truth survive so it wasn't all for naught.
>>345130669
Strangled him, that's why Eric lost it when Mira was strangledand why he repeated history by strangling a little kid the same age as his brother.
>>345130556
Okay you have a point with Aoi. But look at shit like this >>345130834 and tell me ZTD had better clothes.
>>345130946
>Junpei stops dressing like Marty Mcfly
>NOW do they add a Back to the Future reference
>>345129986
>thought they were going to subvert it by having Junpei always pick ally
>it's literally the same shit with much less impact
>>345097389
Wasn't the real moral choice between letting Rad-6 escape and killing 6 billion vs containing it and letting 8 billion die via terrorist?
>>345130698
This shit was dumb.
>>345130948
>I don't know what any of that means.
where do you live if they don't have zaras or knowledge about hypebeast.com?
(this is supposed to be sincere and i'm not trying to be condescending if it comes off that way.)
>>345130357
> Those definitely aren't 3DS version screenshots.
Those are definitely 3ds version screenshots because of the aspect ratio and it looks like shit.
>>345131083
Strangled him while molesting him?
>>345131218
It was. Until 'we shape our own future through the power of friendship!' happens.
>>345130381
I don't think any of the "rust" in the designs makes much sense, since it didn't seem like any of the equipment was particularly old.
>>345131218
That's plan B, Plan A's moral choice is swapping alternate reality cast into the explosion to save themselves.
>>345131281
Central Kentucky.
>>345130946
>this is what a year of browsing /fa/ does to you
>>345131358
We don't even know if that shit succeeds, if there is a new game its going to be the 45 years plan Akane was yapping about.
Zero made sure there is a backup plan, I think that was the whole point with the complexe reasons shit.
>>345131439
Turns you into a fag?
>>345131083
Yeah but it seemingly happening in a shower and Chris shouting how it hurts made me think of some shota lovin' gone bad.
>>345130556
They are in the future. Maybe they use those clothes in the future.
>>345130381
>>345131385
Maybe it was to make it seem more like a rusty old helmet that was clamped over a kid's head instead of a robot head and the consistency in the designs was there so nobody would know if he was replaced.
>>345131562
yes.
>>345131539
>if there is a new game its going to be the 45 years plan Akane was yapping about.
What? That's what VLR was. There's no reason for there to be another game between the ZTD Radical 6 ending and VLR.
>>345131390
What do you think their reaction was when they suddenly found themselves in a shelter about to explode?
>No Kyle
>Dcom turns out to be another shelter, not a locked down Cape Canaveral in a desert where only our characters are trapped inside, and the army and NASA are trying to rescue us throughout the game from Brother's fanatics, who are then threatening to release Radical 6.
>Dcom isn't attached to the seven connected anti-matter reactors for whatever experiment is being done inside (could have believably explained the transporter and quantum computer), that then has an express highway connected to a population center where the hospital Diana works in is, that has cryogenic freezers. So that when the bad ending happens Akane become the hero seen in VLR, driving Sigma while gathering the VLR crew to save the world.
>We could have seen how the characters in Zero Escape fought back Brother's cult, and seen how Akane gets the suit in pic related.
VLR gave me expectations. I expected scale.
I guess the tight budget made this happen. Its okay. We got a third game and I'm happy to have paid for it in full. But, I would have preferred it vastly if Uchikoshi made the third game play like VLR, because I felt that it was the natural evolution of 999.
More resources could instead have been used on the story and CG images. Thanks for the work anyway guys.
The VN structure of the past games also allowed me to enjoy the music more. I felt that ZTD's way of storytelling didn't allow for listening to the excellent in-game music more, unless the player pauses scenes.
>>345129974
Maybe one day Uchikoshi will get friends like Yoko Taro and get another chance.
>>345131593
Interesting idea. On a similar note, did Zero actually plan for Sean to be in the game? Did he serve any purpose? Why not keep his shotabots safely stored in case of "rule-breaking" since he was apparently obsessed with this random kid who died at the hospital? (despite uchi throwing us off for this dank """"twist"""")
>>345130936
Doesn't make it visually appealing.
>>345131112
Luna was one of the most tolerable designs but she still looks like she walked straight out of Heidi and nothing about it stands out to me as especially appealing besides the cute hairstyle.
Look at Clover. The giant hair that looks like she could hide rats in, the animal print earmuffs/headphones, the huge legwarmers with high heels, the jacket wouldn't be so bad if the colors were at least nice but the black+pink doesn't compliment her school uniform at all. This is what you consider visually appealing?
>>345131819
Goddamn, Akane was cute. CUTE.
Why did they have to ruin her design?
>>345131819
The shit with Kyle was dumb anyway. I definitely agree with ZTD's bite-size fragments being stupid, though. I understand why it was done that way, but I still don't like it.
>>345131734
No, you don't understand, this game is 45 years after hey failed to stop the terrorist. Turns out the fanatic wasn't that bad after all.
>>345131293
Every version of the game looks bad. >>345110082 and >>345130357 are the exact same scene, and you can tell that they look different. There are shiny effects in the first one that aren't there in the 3DS version. And the aspect ratio of the first screenshots don't match the 3DS, anyway. They're just cropped.
>>345131974
I think she's still really cute in ZTD. One of the best parts actually. Some of the banter between her and Junpei felt a lot like 999.
>>345131819
It's a shame that Uchi seems to be easily influenced by whoever he spends time with.
>>345130381
The real question is why couldn't he make him a normal fucking head.
>>345132232
>spend five days getting everyone used to him being around
>start the decision game
>introduce a creepy looking little robot kid that is massively out of place to make sure everyone focuses on that and not on him
>>345131593
That the helmet has a very modern keypad is revealed very early in the game. And the bracelets also have that same rusty look. It seems like it was just an attempt to make it look "gritty" without much thought put into it.
>>345132232
I want art of Sean in the outside world trying on different fake heads.
>>345131795
No reaction, they would be unconcious.
>>345131974
>bullying AkaneThe purple hair out of nowhere was weird, though.
>>345132232
Were human looking robots advanced enough at that point in the timeline?
>>345132348
I doubt Uchi was thinking of this, but this is actually a very well thought out point.
>>345131957
Clover's design is actually based on real j-fash. This is kogal, a gyaru subtype centered around highschool uniforms/girls. Even Clover's VLR design is an evolution of gyaru towards more mature styles. Look it up.
I'm not saying everyone has to find her design good but at least it has a solid idea behind it.
>>345129986
I honestly wouldn't have minded this as much if my opinion of the game in general had been more favorable. I might have seen it as a fun callback, or even as a plausible inspiration forthe AB game from the "original" timeline that led to the creation of the time loop.
>>345132528
I'm well aware of Gyaru's, I think Gal-ko is an example of an actually appealing gyaru design, Clover is not and the argument is about being visually appealing.
>>345132450
Technology didn't progress because R6 yet luna looks incredibly human.
>>345132469
Somebody mentioned that the other day, I'm just repeating it. However, while it makes sense in terms of "fooling the player," it doesn't offer an explanation as to why he would need to do that in-universe. All it really does is keep people from suspecting him of being Zero, and even that's kind of a stretch.
>>345129974
Nah, man, you just have toroll three ones.
>>345132851
>not just SHIFTing to the world where ZTD is good and gets a sequel
>>345132392
It could have a nice keypad and still be like 20-30 years old.
>>345132994
But, Anon... if you do that, you'd be denying your alternate version all those good ganes!
>>345129974
Bullshit. Uchikoshi wrote and ended ZTD so that it would be easy to write up another story after. Give it a few years.
>ZTD did better than expected!
>ZE4 coming to PC June 2020!
>>345132994
Anon but what about the guy that lives in that timeline, think about the consequences
>>345132698
I'll respect your opinion on it. I actually think it's kinda cute, barring the print earmuffs, they throw off the design a bit. It certainly proved to be a popular and memorable design back when 999 was at its peak. To each their own I guess.
>>345131974
I wouldn't say ruined, since you and me know that most of the time 2D > 3D. Its just that the artist changed.
The replacement artist isn't bad though. I like the character designs. Even Eric as his plain clothes makes you focus on his unstable face. The transition to fully rendered 3D scenes with no dialog boxes probably cost more money, and it definitely has a mixed reception.
At least we get Phi.Two of them, one MIA.
>>345132213
I feel you.
>No fly me to the moon scene with maybe Carlos andSeanin Mission Control
It kind of hurts.
And why this time there were puzzles?
The other games explained it.
>>345133121
>>345133186
Can't I just shift back once I'm done playing it?
>>345133287
Because Brother wanted to mind fuck you.
>>345133287
Honestly, I'd completely believe Delta just wanted to fuck with them. He's like the ultimate shitposter.
>>345133315
B-but you won't anyone to discuss the game with...
Who is more /fa/, Ace or ZTD jumpy?
>>345133287
the first fragment i picked had team D and sigma said during it "well i guess we should just go play zero's game" and i was just here like,
oh did i miss the part where zero explains room puzzles?
nope, uchi missed it
Warning to those who want to play this game, avoid the 3DS version, its fucking garbage.
I had to return it after doing 5 or so scenarios due to a few things:
Audio Compression: The audio sounds horrendous, even with headphones. Its a super low bitrate
Downgraded Textures: Just a visual thing, on top of the resolution. Normally I wouldn't care, but there are actual puzzles that have subtle visual queues that are hard to find on top of the 3DS screen being super shit. You are literally pixel hunting at times.
Framerate: Some scenes get fucked because the framerate goes to like 5 for random scenes. Everything feels so sluggish.
I ended up trying the PC version and Vita version, both played a ton better. This is one of the few times (on top of monster hunter] to the 3DS ruining a game for me. I dunno how people can enjoy something like ZE3 on it, VLR was bad enough.
>>345133642
Grumpei dresses like a loser in the actual game
>>345131946
I interpreted it as him making a point by creating a replica of one of the few people he considered good and pure and then throwing him into the group with awful people so he could prove himself right. I think his ability to read minds made him misanthropic so granting the wish of a child he deemed worth his time was his moment of humanity.
I still have no idea why Happy End had to be a decision game though.
>>345133642
999 or ztd jumpy
how could ace win with all those fucking belts
>>345133076
It's at 17 years old at the oldest, if Sean was built and the quantum computer was set up as soon as his real-life self died in 2011, which would be kind of unrealistically early. And the bracelets certainly wouldn't have any reason to be that old.
So did anyone like the transition from VN to cinematic?
I'm not saying the cinematic was bad. It worked ok. However, I never really felt I was playing as one of the characters. With 999, you felt more connected to Junpeiand Akane. With VLR, you knew all the thoughts and feeling that were going through Sigma's mindas well as K's at the end. With ZTD, I just never felt that connection. IDK.
>>345133858
It was better at presentation in my opinion, they just need to get a better animation budget. The models and set pieces worked fine, and made it more intense than just text and a bloody wall.
Fuck imagination, it doesn't make things more atmospheric when it comes to a visually stimulating videogame.
>>345132450
He made him a bodyand apparently a fucking soulso I figured a head wouldn't be too much of a stretch, but maybe he really did just want to plant something suspicious to draw attention away from himself and the helmet did part of that job.
>>345133857
I'm not saying that it is that old, just that it's plausible that it was supposed to look old.
>>345102454
My My look at the time, its time for doc akane
and then I can't read what it says.
Just finished ZTD
It was bad but I had fun
Overall I don't see anything to reflect about.
If anything it was just an awkward curtain closing.
Welp at least I lived long enough to read about Junpei's marriage.
Also kinda sad there weren't enough Sigma hijinks.Sigma Junpei duo would have been fun
>>345134036
Is your pic supposed to be a derivative of this pic?
>>345133819
>not having adjustable clothing for maximum comfort
>>345134035
There is so much that could go wrong though (and it did). I feel like a very polished VN style beats ZTD's cinematics any day. VNs are quite comfy.
>>345134151
How was it fucking bad?
>>345134253
I love ace's shoes man
>>345133165
He was banking on a miracle of the game selling well and future funds materializing but he's in the timeline that God abandoned.
>>345134359
9 years before or during 999?
>>345134271
Naw, unless they used the really good concept art like on the cover, I think scenes work best and display things better. I like this direction a lot better. 999 didn't have me scared or tense at all, though I enjoyed the sprite work and animations, it wasn't very appealing. If they had the level of ace attourney animation, it would be nicer and fluid.
>>345134297
I'm not that anon, but you really need to lurk more if you have to ask that question.
>You will never take part in a Nonary Game with your 4chan bros
>>345134412
both.
>>345134253
Honestly Ace did nothing wrong, he kidnapped some kids, so? No one died in this timeline anyway.
Meanwhile Mira has 18+ kills confirmed
even Akane killed more people
>>345134297
Writing was almost mediocre compared to the other two
I won't complain about graphics because game was made with a 5 dollar budget but there is that
Also I understand the choice of making it more cinematic but it was a bit awkward given the quality.
Puzzles were kinda meh
And while I liked it, I believe the fragment system is a bit meh. (But they were after the sleeping beauty thing and that's why I liked it)
>>345133858
>With ZTD, I just never felt that connection
Probably because we kept jumping from perspective to perspective. I wouldn't blame the cinematic style for that, I'd blame the fucking fragment system and separated teams instead.
I actually liked the cinematic style a lot, even with the shitty animations. I hope there's a nice middle ground that can be found between VN and cinematic.
>>345134565
Why not? What's stopping us?
>>345134565
>everyone betrays each other
>>345131186
>no ending where not-luna tries to kill herself and it's the blank
>>345134565
>>345134654
Will the puzzles be based on memes?
>>345134258
It's an /a/ meme, but I've thought of that.
I've thought about it and I think it is best if we both pick ally. With you down to 1 BP, I don't want to pick betray and accidentally kill you.
What do you say?
>>345134749
>keeps shooting the gun until she gets the live one
>meanwhile phi is horrified
so much wasted potential
>>345134565
I wanted to make an irl escape game based on Zero escape, lately escape games have gotten quite popular where I live.
But I doubt you can drug your clients and torture them a bit so meh
>>345134841
Ah. I should have known.
>>345134938
you know they made one of those, right? it's in LA. I don't think they're allowed to kill you, though, which is a shame.
>>345134847
Sounds like a good idea. You've got 6 BP, but I don't think you'd ever pick betray.
>>345119118
I WANT TO FUG RIGHT ONE
>>345134847
>say yes
>suck his dick
>incapacitateddio.mkv
>pick betray
>>345134775
We need to tap into the memetic field!
>>345134151
Welcome friend, enjoy the memes, let them wash over you.
>>345134847
That is certainly the most logical course of action. Neither of us has any reason to not choose "Ally."
>>345133465
The motives are complex.
>>345135243
>that picture
I haven't laughed this hard for a long time.
>>345135243
Main reason why I came here is to bath in the memes I've avoided for far too long, brother.
>>345134749
>Diana tries to line up another shot but is stunned by the bang
>Phi rushes to stop her
>she fumbles and accidentally shoots Phi
>horrified, she desperately tries chamber after chamber
>Zero comes on over the intercom and apologizes for miscounting how many rounds he put in the game
Delta bullying his mother was funny.
>Zero Time Dilemma is an anagram for "Me? I'm Zero. I'mDelta"
http://www.strawpoll.me/10755483
>>345134890
that would have been crazy/cool
>>345135090
>>345135120
>>345135254
Don't do it guys! Mr. Dio is a huge_jerk_!
>>345135573
Man, what the fuck was going on with Quark's hat/helmet thing?
>>345118881
>wiki
Fuck Wikia. Whoever thought that was a good idea needs to cross paths with a snail.
>>345135687
he hides snacks in there
>>345135687
He apparentlykeeps his snacks in there.No, really.
>>345135848
>>345135865
How can you be so addicted to food that you keep a cabinet strapped around your head and still be so thin?
>>345134035
but reading isn't about imagination anon, it's about how you process information. A visually stimulating videogame can shape the direction of the way you interpret a narrative
i have aphantasia and i would still take a VN over this so many times over - after all it's not like 999 was some descriptive crap like margaret atwood describing the colors of everything for fucking pages. as far as i remember the only time 999 went into obscene detail was during a death and that just made it much more morbid
>>345136203
by living in the apocalypse
>>345136203
Well it IS the apocalypse end, and with the headlamps door to the snack compartment I just assumed it was more about aiding him exploring
>>345136203
He probably needs it if he's doing stuff like salvaging buried technology.
>>345133287
>questioning COMPLEX MOTIVATIONS
>Phi getting cucked by her own mother
Why is this allowed?
>>345136203
It was the only thing keeping Quark from being full blown cannibalistic.
>>345136597
She didn't even get a chance with Bigma's original hunky bod. Truly a shame.
>>345136597
Because Diana killed her by not pulling the trigger.
Also,Sigma and Phi are related you sick fuck.
>>345136968
>related
>copy of a copy of a copy from an alternate timeline
nah, nothing wrong with it
>>345136968
>implying anyone wouldn't drop their panties for Bigma, related or not
>>345136968
Does it even count in this situation?
Also wasn't it kind of implied during VLR that Sigma had someone else aside from Diana?
Was it not Phi?
>>345137297
Only that politician's wife if that's what you mean.
>>345137297
He had a girlfriend before any of VLR happened, but there was never anything pointing to him and Phi being a couple.
>>345137409
>>345137424
Oh right, I forgot it was only that Politician's daughter.
>>345137440
>>345133858
I like the VN style more. It felt more like a video game and in VLR there were tons of dialog choices to pick so scenes were worth replaying.
But as some anons have stated, you can actually have both cinematic and VN. There's nothing stopping the devs from making story routes VN style, and plot revelation plots cinematic.
VLR sort of did this with some scenes being 2D artwork CG reminiscent of 999, while the main Ambidex game was in 3D yet VN style.
>>345137784
For some reason that thumbnail reminds me of King Dedede drooling while eating.
>that """""""""""""Ending"""""""""""""
Jesus fuck and it opened so goddamn strong. I could have shut off the game when I got the coin toss right on my first try. It would have been more satisfying and complete. But no I kept going because I was so impressed and hype. Some fun banter and a couple philosophy scenarios I never heard of hooked me in, Carlos was my waifu. MY WAIFU. The soundtrack was pretty dope.
But then mother of fuck. it all went to SHIFT
I can't fucking believe this shit. I know it was rushed but I was so accepting of all the crap budget. I thought the plot would make up for it, I THOUGH SOMETHING WOULD GET CONNECTED TO VLR THAT WAS WORTH A FUCK
BUT NO
I GET MY LOVE FOR SOMETHING STOMPED ON AGAIN
FUCK YOU.
>>345138139
>10 months ago
>>345138226
I don't know, something about cropped lewds by obviously western artists always makes me think of it. They don't even have to look similar.
Where are you, Delta?
I know you're in these threads laughing at us!
>>345138339
I had a similar grieving period but I've made my peace. It was disappointing and never really came together but I'm disconnected from it enough now that I can look back and laugh at the dumb shit rather than rage. It entertained me if nothing else.
>>345138836
Getting served margaritas by his army of robot children in a lounge somewhere, shitposting and plotting his revenge against the snail.He'll be back in ZE4, please look forward to it.
>>345097389
I was okay with the ending. I agree it could have been a little better to an ending of the franchise, but considering the tight budget of the game, it was still good for the only game we could have.
>>345099521
So his whole purpose of going to Dcom was just to propose?
I just finished it right now. That was one hell of a fun ride. I wish the ending had more to it, but both 999 and VLR ended on similar cliffhangers so its all good to me.
I think the amount of mid-game mindblown moments were far superior to a lot of the mindblow things in 999 and VLR (although I loved both of them to bits, jesus fuck), whereas the ending in this one felt tamer since the big reveals happened near mid game instead of right at the end.
>>345139280
I think that the ending was great. Carlos representing the choice of the CQD, the Final Decision`s (whether to shoot Delta or not) consequences being hidden from the player. It leaves a mystery open for theories: will mankind be saved by shooting Delta or is he vital for stopping the fanatic?
>>345139362
Run away with your optimism while you can, these threads are mostly venting today. There are a lot of holes in the story when you examine it but I had a fun time too.
>>345138969
I guess you're right, I'm fresh off this c o m p l e x boat so I'm still raw. But damnit I'm just so upset about the general wet fartedness. It'll get better with time, I know. But I still think Uchi is a fucker.
They should have spent another month working on the script. The number of hints that there is a 4th person is great, but there is too many things that make it seem impossible.
How come Uchi can write Ever17, which fits together in such a ridiculously perfect way, and write ZTD afterwards?
>>345139667
>here comes dat jumpy!
>>345139362
Ultimately, I thought the game was fun. The process of trying to unscramble everything, figure out the timelines, the puzzles were pretty okay, etc. I'm definitely disappointed by the fact that there was no final puzzle room, though. Not that I want the shitty final room of VLR, but one last quest would've been nice.
>>345139667
I have been reading some of this thread and most of what I see is fair enough. Mostly dissapointment, since people wanted more out of it. My expectations were almost nil, as I was just happy that we got a third game in the first place.
Plus, shit like this blows my mind because I didn't ever notice it, so I'm glad I got in here for the dank memes:
>>345119289
God I loved Sigma's voice acting, the whole bad end transporter room bit was great.
Also felt like Carlos was a very fitting voice as well. Junpei on the other hand...
>>345119289
>20)
Oh shit.
>>345139957
>Sigma's voice acting
Loved it but every time he spoke I heard IT'S HIGH NOON
>>345139885
the only thing I am wondering is Maria... I was sure that the Player was actually Maria scramling together all the input she got through her memorie syndrome (or what it was called). She even calls out to Carlos at one point.
Would have been cool to get it confirmed, but I can see why Uchi wants to give players stuff to discuss.
Such an enjoyable fucking game.
>>345139895
>as I was just happy that we got a third game in the first place.
Same here. Some parts were disappointing, but I still got a lot of enjoyment out of it.
was that other virus in the Biolab room Tief Blau?
>>345140219
Maria kind of gets forgotten about until the Epilogue files. You did read those, right? I didn't notice them until I opened the game back up to look for the last quest file I missed.
Either way, that's an interesting perspective but there were lots of people with reverie syndrome so I'm not sure it'd go through.
>>345140294
Tief Blau is ten times more frightening than Radical-Shit desu
>>345140294
>>345140435
>Tief Blau
No. It was just a virus that would make you have a huge craving for chicken sandwiches.
>>345140253
Part of me was super stoked, but after that true end, and some plot holes , id rather want to forget about it
Vlr just set up to much
>>345140359
oh shit nigglett I have to go read those now
thanks a ton
>there are people here defending the Delta reveal
>muh foreshadowing!
>you can literally see his shadow
>during gameplay you literally have a 1st person camera that can pan around the whole room
>never see him directly
>>345140487
Not even joking though
>the scene where blood starts pouring out of Coco's mouth
10/10 freaked me the fuck out and worse than Alice and Quark attempting to kill themselves
>we're in the universe where Remember11 wasn't completed and ZTD didn't turn out very good
Anon-kun... We need to SHIFT.
>>345139710
Production team. Uchikoshi's never been alone. The impact of the management and assistant writers can't be underestimated.
>>345140826
You can't see any of the other characters either when you're panning the camera around. However, there are definitely sequences where there's nowhere to have hidden his body, such as the Pod Room.
>>345140868
Yeah didn't he not take credit for Remember11 because someone else did so much of it?
I can't decide if ZTD's fuckery came down to Uchikoshi having too much freedom or not enough budget/time
Probably both desu
>Ever17 posting has gone up dramatically ever since ZTD droppedstop reminding me it's over
>>345140837
Well no one cares about Alice. We saw them try to commit suicide numerous times anyway. After the 2nd time, it got old.
>>345141151
Ever17 is the only time Oochie-Coochie has succeeded 100% in 4th wall breaking shenanigans without it feeling cheap.
The game was built from the ground up with Blick Winkel in mind. 999, VLR and ZTD have been him cashing in the same check and getting away with it because western audiences didn't know shit about VNs.
>>345141015
>spend more than half the budget in VAs
The blame rests on Uchi for being an incompetent fuck.
>>345141430
>game
My bad, I should've said VN.
youse told me Ever17 was sfw
>>345141151
>you will never play it again fresh
It seriously hurts more than it should.
>>345141698
>massage history
>>345141698
It's not hentei. Just some small portions of it have some fun.
>>345141906
That's what some people call it.
>>345141698
You told me ZE was sfw.
>>345140853
>we're in the universe where Remember11 wasn't completed
JUST YOU WAIT
Can someone post the Carlos image with the American Flag?
>the question that will never be answered
>>345142412
Did anyone draw the picture of Kyle outside of Hope's Peak Academy?
>>345142379I thought I had the one without subtitles but I just can't find it
>>345097389
I told you faggots that putting the games on the Shita would ruin the series. Happy to see I was right.
>whyyyy why can't you shoot him
because it literally doesn't matter whether delta is killed or not in payoff 2
>>345142379
>>345142652
I got your backs.
>>345142412
>Sigma is actually Kyle
>Delta is actually Old Sigma
Explains why 'Sigma' is so retarded even though he's supposed to be a genius 67 year old polymath.
Old Sigma transported his consciousness into Brother, rendering him incapable of releasing Radical-6. At this point Sigma has already won and averted the disaster.
However, there is a problem: In order for Brother to be defeated in this way, he needs to EXIST in the first place. It so happens that Kyle bangs Diana and is the father. Therefore, there has to be a DECISION GAME in order to ensure that Brother is born so that he can be taken over by Old Sigma.
In the true end, Old Sigma moves all of the Deus Ex Machina shit away and destroys the virus. He then swaps his consciousness back to the future, giving Delta back his evil Brother consciousness and Young Sigma his body, with Kyle going back to the future as well.
He had to do it all this way since it was the only way to ensure that Brother wouldn't catch on to the plan.
This is why Dio was sent to fuck shit up in VLR; after Brother got his consciousness back he was pissed that his evil plans were foiled.
This of course means that Kyle is Brother in VLR but they just inject him with drugs or something to make him forget/be a total bro.
There, I fixed it.
>>345129430
well no one here on 4chan is smart enough to give any decent theories
the only purpose 4chan has ever had was partly operation blue bird
>>345129430
>>345097389
4chan likes the game though. We don't think it's perfect (reminder to rank it in this poll http://www.strawpoll.me/10749209/) but most of us said it was worth a play. Ending aside, the game is 4chan recommended, and you've gottta deal with that fact. But if you don't like it, that is understandable. just don't act like you're the majority.
>>345142915
Mot of the theories were taken from here, posted to Neofag, and then posted onto reddit.
>>345142412
>the orphaned child
>>345134253
don't talk to me or my son ever again
>>345142954
>VLR>ZTD>999
>3 people actually think this.
>>345142903
You make Uchi look like a brilliant writer.
>>345142915
Most of the stuff reddit does is stolen from here. Have you seen their hardest puzzle threads? Just from google cache reddit has low IQ.
>>345107957
I bought one from Aksys at Anime Expo for $50 and it looks like it's been through a little over the years just sitting in the package, if you plan on wearing it every day I'd be prepared to have to do repairs on it
>>345143186
Sad, I know.
>>345143186
None of the ZE games have good writing, at least VLR and ZTD were entertaining in their own retarded way. 999 has best atmosphere and graphics and the least problems but it doesn't reach the heights of VLR and is a pretty dull ride if you aren't invested in the characters honestly.
>>345143208
Uchi detected
>>345143186
>VLR>ZTD>999
its true though. 999 is garbage that you only have fond memories of because it was the first anime VN you played at the age of 13 and you thought it was soooo cool
>>345143364
>None of the ZE games have good writing
I'm happy with ZTD just for the memes.
Beats actually discussing the thing.
Besides, nobody can deny that every 999 thread back in the day was just building hype for what would happen in VLR, and every VLR thread was just discussing how things would be in ZTD.
If we had a ZE4 to look forward to people would probably be much kinder to ZTD. But we don't.
>>345143591
>>345143591
>>345143591
New thread boys
>>345143431
>mfw "carlos and i will protect you and die"
>>345143492
999 is babby's first VN, come on now. I even like some aspects of it but it's nothing special. VLR had the ambidex game and better banter between the characters, ZTD was stupid enough to be funny.
>>345143431
>Jump's right hand
Whose hand is that?
What was the point of Mira and Eric?
The telepods cloned sigma. Sigma was in one body and kyle in another.
Is phi father sigma or kyle? Neither because she is also a clone!
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