>Pay $400-600 for a new GPU
>You're still stuck with the rest of the old computer
>Pay $400 for a Neo / Scorpio
>You get a brand new upgraded unit
It happened: consoles surpassed PC at the upgrade game
You get a brand new upgraded unit that performs like a PC with a $150 GPU
>>345088746
source ?
>>345088746
I think you mean
>Pay $300-400 for a new GPU
>It runs games for as long as you want it to
>Pay $400 for a new console
>You're doing it because you have no choice
Yep, sure showed us.
Because all that RAM, PSU, fans, drives, and motherboards perform significantly worse than current shit, right? CPU might be true, though generally they outlast a generation. Also GPUs can be 200$.
>>345088941
Why would you have any less of a choice you dipshit?
>>345088746
>you have to pay monthly fees for any multiplayer
toppest of cucks
I WANNA FUCKING PLAY BLOODBORNE ALREADY
WHERE'S THE FUCKING PS4 NEO AT I WANNA BUY IT
>>345088746
please be bait
are consolefags really this retarded?
>>345089912
$30 for 48 games I'm pretty sure steam sales cant compete, only indies will get u 48 games for that price
>>345090098
>paying for games
lmao at your life cuck
>>345090181
>you still cant play d44m for free
>you cant play multiplayer on cracks
>bought d44m for $38 on release, sold it for $45
>console masterrace wins again, literally free and profit
>>345090098
Name 5 GOOD games from PS+ over the last year
>>345090270
Add to that how consolefags are actually supporting the industry. Meanwhile parasites like >>345090181 contribute nothing.
No wonder everyone is jumping on the Denuvo train.
>>345088746
>People still shill the bloodbourne machine
>>345088941
>Implying a $300 new GPU alone can run games
>Implying you don't need the other hardware components from the same quality range to avoid performance bottlenecks.
>Implying you won't devalue your new $300 graphics card by putting it on a 5 year old toaster
>>345090098
You don't own those games.
>>345090659
lotta implying for a shitposter
>>345088746
>Pay $400-600 for modern mid-level parts
>You get a platform more powerful than Neo/Scorpio
Nothing changed.
>>345088746
No they haven't what is this Vick shit
>>345088746
People who spend $400-600 on a GPU dont have outdated CPUs and ram you fucking retarded consolefag, and they're getting a lot more power than that shit.
You can buy a couple 660 ti's on ebay for $150 and run them in SLI and outperform these consoles
And I thought i read early on the only change was they're literally just throwing a second GPU in the ps4 neo in crossfire, so if thats true you arent even getting new CPU or ram or anything
Dumb fucks
>>345090270
>buying physical games and selling them
hard drug addict tier
>4.14TF
>>345088856
Find me any GPU at 6tflops for under 400
>>345088746
Terry Crews is master race now consolecucks are finished didn't you hear
>>345091289
>4.2tflops with consoles optimization.
>literally 8.4tflops of performance on PC.
Try again pcuck.
When will pcucks stop lying?
>>345091341
980 ti
https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/169047-250-gaming-pc
>it's cheaper to buy an xbox
>>345088746
>Purchase a PC for 750$
>You don't have to buy anything else for the next 10 years
>Including games
?
>>345088746
>$400 console
>$300 for 5 years online
>$600 for 10 Games over 5 years
>$300+ for the TV
consolefags
>>345091341
Aib 480
>>345091556
>purchase a PC for $750
>you don't have anything to buy for the next 10 years except multiplats
>>345088746
I'm much more sceptical of this shit than anything else. As soon as it feels like I'm forced to make the upgrade I'm done with buying anything for my ps4 and scratch my money for some pc parts.
>>345091341
How about the GPU that the scorpio is literally based on, the RX480 aka $199 card.
>>345091586
>5.5tflops
>>345091491
>980 ti
>under 400
>"Hurr i live in a country with cheap pc parts"
6tflops of console hardware = 12tflops pc
Stop living in a dream son.
>>345090098
Pretty ironic when nearly all the free games you get are cheap literally what indie ahit
>>345091474
>4.14TF
>>345091663
wait it's going to be that strong shiettt, console masterrace next year because I'm not upgrade my shit anytime soon until something breaks. It's definitely going to be $600 then
If you have a halfway decent CPU you don't have to upgrade everything at once. 8th gen consoles use garbage CPU's so you need a whole new console to upgrade graphics.
>>345091917
>that pic
It just proves that PC gaming no longer has an edge over console gaming.
>>345091910
>cheap
>all triple aaa titles were $5 during steam sale
>bioshock, dead space, ass creed
>>345088746
The Base of my build is 2500k, 8gb ram,, z68 mobo which I got in 2011. Guess what, that 5-6 year old cpu still shits on the new consoles. All I have to do is buy a gpu every 3 years to continue maxing games. (no 900p, 25fps bullshit either, I actually dsr 1440p most games)
I also have a ps4 since I got it for cheap but I don't know how anyone uses them as a main gaming platform, it just doesn't have enough games. Mines gathering dust, I use my ps3 alot more. Hell my vita gets more playtime than ps4
Are teraflops the new blast processing?
>>345091341
>Unironically asking about higher teraflop hardware
Now i know your just a stupid buzzword spewing retard. There are many other factors to performance than raw floating point calculations.
Not going to bother answering your question because other anons already did.
>>345090659
Well if you have a good build you dont have that issue. 2500/2600k are more than fine for current £300 gpus.
>>345092141
>4
>.
>1
>4
>>345088746
>build my 1 ducentillion dollar PC
>can only watch lets play of the latest console games and hope they get a port one day
ITS NOT FAIR
>>345092141
Consoles are finally making 1080p/60 their standard, while that's been the PC standard for a while now. Honestly it's looking like next year will be the year of 1440p for PC. Too bad TV's don't have a stepping stone in between 1080p and 4k, it puts consoles in a rough position.
>>345092141
>4.14TF
>>345091750
I said Aftermarket 480, not reference.
1350mhz = 6tflops, sapphire nitro and shit probably get 1400 ez
>>345091474
>1.3 tflop less than 100 buck gpu vs 1.8 tflop ps4
try again, sonycuck
>>345092401
>the pc standard
>85% of steam users can't afford 1080p
literally no difference. Not only that, they're so poor they can't even 1080p in the #1 game on PC, LoL. That''s why consoles are superior
>>345092183
Its basically like bits were back in the 4th/5th gen
>Well my console has 6 teraflops!
which used to be
>Well my console is 64bit!
>>345091750
You didn't specify currency. You can find ANY gpu except the 1080/titan x for under £400. Fury has like 8tflops and is £299 at ocuk
>>345092579
1080p is a meme
>buy a ps4
>can't play any new games because you have to buy the new PS4K
>fell for the ps4 meme machine
>by the time their parents get enough money for the PS4K the ps3 will be announced
Sony really fucked their customers hard
>>345088941
>you have no choice
>being this retarded
>>345091474
>T-TWO TIMES THE PERFORMANCE PCuCKS!
Kek
>>345092424
>Implying you can't optimize for standard ps4 and have it run on high end ps4
when will pcucks stop lying?
>>345092424
>>345092334
>this meme
4.14 console can literally outperform 95% of pc's out there.
>>345092552
>showing badly optimized games on console
I guess Quantum Break is the standard of PC performance aswell then?
>pic related
>pc games will never look this good
>disclaimer: running real time on ps4
>>345090384
MGSV Ground Zeroes
Rocket League
Swapper
There's a start
>>345092579
>85% of users don't have a graphics card from the last 5 years
???????
>>345090384
>>345092904
Furi
Sa
>>345092882
>4.14TF
>>345092882
So is this just some really poor bait or are Sonyggers genuinely this stupid?
>>345088746
>there are people who unironically think this on /v/
This is really funny 2bh
>>345092552
Comparing tflops is retarded. Consoles use amd gpu. 6tflop amd card = 4.5 tflops nvidia card.
Fury x has much more tflops than 980ti/1070 yet is slower
>Pay $3000 for a PC
>No gaems but indie shit
>>345092579
>steam survey isn't optional
>you must use steam to play games , or you can't play games on pc
>every mother and their wife son dont have a steam account
>>345091750
>"Hurr i live in a country with cheap pc parts"
If you don't then why do you use dollars in your posts you fucking moron.
>>345092579
Actually 40% of users have 1080p or higher. Part of the reason is a lot of people probably have a 720p monitor and see no reason to upgrade. I wonder how many people play 8th gen consoles on a 720p TV.
>>345092882
>4.14 console can literally outperform 95% of pcs out there.
Can it out prefrom the Scorpio?
>>345092882
>t-the games are badly optimized
nice excuse sonycuck
>>345093059
I have nothing against 1080p, I just think that you can do fine with anything above 720. That said though, if your resolution is lower than your monitor, then that's shit.
>>345092882
>Badly optimized games on console
It was optimized like fucking shit on PC too
>>345088746
Let me fix that for you
>pay $200-$300 for a new graphics card
>have $100-$300 left over for other parts that may need an upgrade
>run games at 1440p/4k 60fps AND high graphical settings
>mfw consoles cant maintain a solid 60 with what would be low PC setting
Lmao
>>345093246
>leading platform pc
Oh okay.
>pic related
those are grapes btw
>>345092882
Quantum break runs 1080/60 on a 200 dollar 480. By the time neo/Scorpio is out we will be on the next generation of gpus BTW, so probably 980ti1070 performance for 200 mid range
>>345091474
The people who post this twitter screenshot don't understand that developers have to optimize for that console to get the performance boost. Hint: they usually don't. If something isn't running up to standard, it's easier for the devs to just drop resolution to 900p or 720p instead of actually optimizing the code.
>NOOOO, ALL OUR GAMES RUN GREAT, STANDARDIZED HARDWARE IS GREAT, FUCK YOU PCNIGGERS, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>345092904
A demo, meme game that's in humble bundle every month and 100mb indie shit
Wow
>>345093338
>for $200
>rx 480 build is minimum $600 excluding peripherals and os
>>345093329
Who are you quoting
>>345093339
general third party consensus say that PS4 is at least 60% more powerful than equal pc hardware.
First party are going way further.
>>345092142
>aaaaaaaaa
>>345093513
>general third party consensus say that PS4 is at least 60% more powerful than equal pc hardware.
And yet it never seems to even compete with the HD 7870, which is only about 10-15% more powerful.
>>345093374
Wtf. I get solid 60-70 with a 4 year old 7950
>>345092953
Im currently running 1080. Doesn't mean i want to fucking use that shit forever. 4k displays look fantastic.
>>345092373
>steam alone has 3700 games
>>345093617
>never seems to compete
right because it competes with quad sli titans.
Titan only has higher framerate/resolution and maybe draw distance, not graphics.
>>345093817
>right because it competes with quad sli titans.
Kek, come on anon, there's no reason to falseflag as a retarded Sonygger, they're already retarded enough on their own.
>>345093513
Than why can i get 1080p/60 at mostly high settings on a r9 270x ($150 card) and the ps4 can hardly manage 30fps sometimes at mostly sub 1080p resolutions?
>>345093817
2/10 bait
Make it more believable next time
The GPU and CPU are basically the only components that matter in a PC
Cucksoles usually cheap out on the CPU
So you're pretty much buying a GPU upgrade
>>345093513
Then why don't you see the results outside of first party studios? We live in the age of multiplats, no one gives a shit about "the power of console hardware." It's why both 8th gen consoles are basically standard PC hardware, and why consoles are switching to a mobile-style upgrade system. The days of releasing a console for 5-6 years and letting devs optimize for that console are over.
>>345093474
Do you include extra controllers, online fee, extra game fee, TV etc into your console cost¿
You are getting much more for a 600 dollar pc than a console will provide.
>>345093817
Now THIS is shitposting
>>345093817
Tried too hard, be more subtle next time.
Wait a moment neo is gtx960 tier which is less than $200 dollars right now and scorpio it's like gtx1070
>>345091474
Idiots always misrepresent thsit to shitpost. Kill yourself.
>>345088746
>You're still stuck with the rest of the old computer
>mfw my old computer is a i5 2500k and 16GB of RAM
>>345094087
>not 64gb ddr7
Wew
#1
>See trailer of new game
>"Oh wow, consoles have surpassed PC"
>Turns out game trailer was made with a PC build
>Game comes out
>It looks and performs much better on PC
#2
>New console announced
>It uses a marketing ploy like "the power of the cloud"
>"Ha ha, consoles have finally surpassed PC!"
>Console comes out and it has shit performance/graphics compared to middle-of-the-ground PC builds.
Why do consolefags keep falling for this shit?
>>345094172
>implying I can't download more RAM if I want to
>>345088746
Why should I want to replace my whole computer? It has mostly quality parts which most likely are far better than the PS4 parts. I would say that my Noctua CPU cooler alone is far better than anything consoles could come up with if it comes to cooling. New doesnt always mean its better. I really dont want to know how hot my PS4 (I got a few weeks ago) runs when I play once it gets hotter here again.
>all these fucking poorfags
If you can't afford a decent pc I suggest getting a job and moving out of your moms house. High end pc gaming is a cheap hobby compared to the other shit I spend cash on.
You can also have both, a few consoles and a pc plus tons of games for not that much.
>>345094204
Kind of ironic seeing as Sony is the industry king of bullshots and downgrades besides ubisoft.
People don't seem to realise PC gets free games too. I got Xcom as part of some award show giveaway, aliens vs predator and some other shooting game as part of gog galaxy, spacechem from pc gamer, hell yeah, jet set radio and golden axe from that thing sega was doing a while back, portal from way back when valve was promoting portal 2, limbo from E3, plants vs zombies, the sims 2 and dragon age fromorigin, shadow complex from epic games shitty launcher, and teleglitch and tropico 3 from I can't even remember.
All actually free not "free"***
>>345093958
I didn't say monitor and pc doesn't give you a free kbm or os compared to free controller/headset/os, nigguh are you retarded
>>345094062
960 isn't worth more than like 100 desu senpai
>>345091474
This was sony this year.
Consoles are just 60% extra they say (in the same way they say that ps4 will be a 1080p and 60fps console which was a lie).
Consoles today are just 30% over PC same price. PC is getting the same level of optimization.
>>345094392
Don't be a fag
>>345094487
>OS costs money
Anon pls.
>>345092882
>no you
>>345094627
>retard thinks I'm going to spend $100
of course you get it on reddit for $40, it's not free
>>345094006
>>345093989
>>345093924
>>345093901
But its absoloutely true.
Graphics =/= framerate,resolution and draw distance.
>>345094545
Sony said this was the third party consensus.
Sony goes beyond obviously as evident by the games getting released.
>>345094717
Anon plslearn to read
>>345094672
Why is Sonygger getting fatter and blacker everytime we see of him?
>>345094487
Yet you included peripherals and os cost.
Os is free if you're not retarded and everyone has peripherals. If you're that poor get a 2 dollar mouse you cheapskate.
>i fell for the pc gaming meme
>spend $800
>only play LoL and Hearthstone
>I still play new titles only on console though so I can sell it when I'm done
the only game I see on the horizon is battlefield which is a keeper so that will be on pc. I should have only bought a $400 pc and bought a ps4 as well
>>345094867
show me the link to the free os then on pb, make u get the one with the virus with 10k seeders and no vip status
>>345094785
>4.14 TF
>>345094998
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>>345094897
this...If you ever build a gamng pc, just fucking spend $400, you do not need 1080/ultra. 1080/medium is still really good.
>>345094998
So you dont know how to torrent, might aswell stick to consoles.
Pirated windows 7 years ago not 1 issue, Microsoft even gave us free upgrades to legit w10
>>345095535
>knows vip status
>knows seeders/leechers/pb
thinks I don't
>>345095635
Pb is pleb tier
Really makes you think
Sonyggers BTFO
>>345091341
>muh flops
but are they SUPERCHARGED PCs?
>>345096323
no, xbox scorpio maybe but PS4 Neo it's in low tier pc level.
>>345096227
DELETE THIS
>>345088746
>>You're still stuck with the rest of the old computer
An i5 from 2009 paired with a 1070 or 1080 will outperform whatever the scorpio is almost assuredly.
Vulkan/DX12 are moving more to GPU compute than CPU compute which means you won't need powerful CPUs for gaming anymore, not that you really did before.
I have an i7 6700k and I'm playing witcher 3 DLC right now, and it only has 12% of CPU usage.
>>345096987
>An i5 from 2009 paired with a 1070 or 1080 will outperform whatever the scorpio is almost assuredly.
An i5 from 2011? The 2500k? Sure, but in 2009 it was the i5 650, which was a dual core, and I had that one.
It was a fucking turd that couldn't run well even goddamn COD Advanced Warfare.
I bought a poorfag-tier i3 6100 and it was a massive improvement.
>>345097260
i3 6100 is cheap and stronk!
>>345096227
DELETE THIS
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>>345097260
>It was a fucking turd that couldn't run well even goddamn COD Advanced Warfare.
As I said, newer games are doing a lot better at doing GPU calc instead of GPU calc, I garuntee a shitty dualcore could still run modern games at 60 fps, something the consoles right now can't do.
>>345096751
How do you know? Are you from the future?
What happened to the whole spiel about how you didn't need to upgrade consoles through an entire generation to get the best experience? Wasn't that supposed to be an advantage?
>>345092579
>the poorest 85% of people with steam installed
>legit PC gamers who definately dont have any next or last gen consoles
Every single time
Every single fucking time
I bet you have steam installed right fucking now on your laptop
You fucking dumbass consolefags
>>345097531
No no, I HAVE that CPU.
It couldn't run properly no modern game, even MGSV ran at 35-45 FPS.
The Witcher 3 ran at about 25 FPS.
All this with a GTX 980 which I was gifted, and upgraded due to the massive bottleneck I had with that shitty i5.
I upgraded the CPU to that i3 and now it's 60 FPS on MGSV with not a single drop and TW3 at 40-60 FPS maxed out.
>>345097531
>I garuntee a shitty dualcore could still run modern games at 60 fps
Dude, i've been looking up, the i5 650 is worse than the i3 2120, and it's barely better than the Core 2 Quad.
A quad core from 5 years ago?
Sure.
A modern dual core?
Yes.
But old dual cores? Not a chance.
>>345092579
I can't do 1080p because of my monitor, but I always turn supersampling up to 4x. That's 5120x3200 on an R7 260x.
>>345097260
The i5 750 released in 2009, and JERMgaming did a benchmark of a 1080 using it.
Obviously it bottlenecks, but not too badly, and it evens out a bit at 1440p and 4k.
>>345098401
Oh, I was talking about the i5 650, which is a shitty dual core.
Forgot about the quad core version.
>>345094785
>Graphics =/= framerate,resolution and draw distance.
That's a stupid statement, and you know it.
Is it worth getting the i5 6600k over the 6600?
I'm not really planning on overclocking any time soon, but I am a bit worried about it being future proof.
>>345098894
Yea what kind of retarded question is that. Ocing to something like 4.5ghz gives you plenty of room for overcoming bottlenecks in the future.
You can pick one up at microcenter for 210 bucks
http://www.microcenter.com/product/451885/Core_i5-6600K_35GHz_1151_Boxed_Processor
>>345099212
Thank you. It's my first build, don't have much clue of what i'm doing.
>TFW my build cost me a total of $850 including peripherals and will probably outperform the PSNeo.
>>345099529
Give me your budget and what you have so far I wanna take a look
>>345094467
I dont think you read that post correctly
>>345089935
Play Dark Souls 3. Same shit.
>>345094897
LoL and Heartstone might give you a better value than whatever the shit you have on the PS4. At least you're having fun and your machine was future proofed.
>>345099529
Microcenter usually does good motherboard+cpu combo deals, like 50% off the mobo and a free printer good. Their prices for gpus are pretty meh
>mfw when my 2500k still is better than the cpu the bone.5 or ps4.5 has to offer
>>345088746
>console faggots have to upgrade their garbage into still inferior garbage now
>literally taking away an advantage of a console
>/v/irgins somehow spin this in a positive way
people were right, this place truly is the most pathetic shithole on 4chan
>mfw you can build a used i5 750 + GTX 950-combo for less than $500 and it would still run games better than this new PS4
>mfw consolebabbies still believe their shitboxes are still gonna be relevant after 2 years
>>345100667
Buying nvidia is a deathtrap at this point. You might as well go amd for that sweet sweet async compute.
Though buying something like the 1080 is ok since it basically brutes force shit.
>>345088746
pay 400 dollars for the same console with a slightly better gcard call it a good deal
>>345100507
Then leave
>>345100507
Its even worse than /b/ and /pol/ that's really an accomplishment. There is something about videogames that drives people's IQ lower.
>>345091341
>GPU at 6tflops
hiding behind terms you don´t even understand on a board full of PC tech savvy nerds is a great idea friend.
>>345101332
Practically no one here knows what a flop is but oh baby its a NUMBER and I can compare that number to something elses NUMBER.It's pretty defining proof about /v/ being underage.
>>345091572
Don't forget the ?00 dollars for the couch, since sitting on a comfy chair at a desk is apparently so bad that the couch is one of the strongest points for consoles.
>>345100667
Doesn't run Doom better
>>345091341
Sounds like Sega and their "blast processing" shit, except this isn't anything special.
Do you even know what a "tflop" is?
Bitch and moan all you like, your console is underpowered, ruins potentially good games and will never compare to pc.
IS ZEN GONNA BE GOOD
I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD WAIT
>>345093786
Annnnnnnd the Sonygger has nothing to say.
But, hey! At least they have bloodborn, right?
>>345094998
>google / reset rearm win7
>he thinks Scorpio will be $400
>neo confirmed to not be sold at a lose
$600 for neo
$800 for Scorpio
Calling it
>>345090384
NBA 2K16
Tropico 5
Grim Fandango Remastered
Grow Home
Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris
Rocket League
MGS V: Ground Zeroes
Nobody pays $400 for a gpu save for retards who deserve to be swindled out of their money. A 960gtx will run games at higher framerate and resolution than consoles.
>>345103471
Have you looked at the specs for the neo? It's pretty weak if those specs are final
The same shitty jaguar cpu and a 4 tflop gpu. That's easily doable at 400
The Scorpio doesn't seem to be finalized yet
>>345103521
only two of those are good, Tropico 5 and rocket league. Regardless, just because you get "free games" doesn't mean they're free. Once Sony decides to shut down the servers or you don't want to pay for their paid multiplayer anymore, you suddenly don't own half of your games.
>>345089912
Well you also have to pay for having online on your PC
>>345103471
Probably not. NEO will be a $150 GPU and Scorpio will be $200 GPU. My guess is NEO will be $500 and Scorpio will be $600. This will work because they'll be advertised as "enthusiast" consoles.
Damn, it's like selling same console twice but with slightly overclocked hardware so it can finally run bloodborne at stable 30 fps and everyone would buy it no matter what. It's almost like fraud.
>consolecucks have to use a PC to post about how much they hate PCs
>mfw
>>345100757
People thought the 780ti was futureproof too because of its brute power, now it's shit.
1080 is gonna be left in the dust in a year like any x80 card.
>>345092882
>consoles are created from computers
>PS4 can outperform computers
How the fuck does that even make sense?
It's literally illogical.
There's no way a console made from computers can outperform the very thing that made it.
Are you listening to yourself?
I don't think you understand how technology works.
Also you have to be the most gullible retard if you seriously believe in Death Stranding you're going to be able to crouch down next to a tiny crab and see every individual grain of sand and hair.
