Why don't stealth games give more options for nonlethal playthrough?
>>345077198
But MGSV has heaps of non-lethal ways to take out enemies.
>>345077306
Not really.
There was like 1 tranq gun and melee.
And that's only if you want to be stealthy.
>options for nonlethal playthrough
>only if you want to be stealthy.
>options
>only if you want
>Simple Definition of option
>: the opportunity or ability to choose something or to choose between two or more things
You're a dumb cunt.
Well if it's a stealth game with guns it'll just have a bunch of different types of guns. Do you want a bunch of different types of tranq guns too? There isn't too much more you could add unless you just want to add different tools that do more or less the same thing. I mean you have melee (punching/kicking and holds), tranq guns, and various kinds of gasses I guess as possible nonlethal methods that I can think of. Anything else is just going to be adding variations on those just like lethally all you really have are guns and explosives for direct methods.
I might be forgetting some.
>>345078953
My point is that you get like 4 guns for both loud and stealth for a non lethal playthrough while lethal gets 20 times the guns and equipment.
Why can't stealth games have more options for nonlethal playthrough.
Dishonored for example. There were only 2 or 3 skills you needed to upgrade and you'd be fine while playing lethaly gave you the whole skill set.
>>345078874
regular tranq gun + semi auto tranq pistol + tranq sniper + punch + running punch + holdups + CQC choke + CQC slam + Beanbag shotgun + Non lethal dog takedown + Nonlethal quiet takedown + D-walker punch + Dropping supply boxes onto guards heads + electric stun arm
IM PROBABLY MISSING EVEN MORE
>>345078874
But there's also guns with STN properties, not to mention the different prosthetic hands.
Also there are sleep grenades, mines that release sleeping gas when stepped on, decoys you can use to knock people out (with the addition of STN decoys that stun enemies when they attempt to knife the decoy.)
I can keep going.
>>345079245
AND + knockout gas grenades
>>345079216
Tranq SMGs/assult rifles sounds kind of like a stupid idea desu
Also see >>345079245
>>345079040
I like where you're going with it. I want more guns or equipment for a nonlethal playthrough. Best example I can think of is splinter cell blacklist. The gadgets were very very versatilexcited.
I'd like to see more variety other than tranq guns. Maybe a shotgun or a revolver [mgs v has it but that was very late in the game when you could use the silenced version]
>>345079365
OK.
Mgs V had tranq/ KO weapons. Although they were different, they had no variety. I played the whole thing using a beanbag rifle and tranq gun. The effectiveness of the options in MGSV came down to using cqc or tranq/beanbag rifle [rifle silence sucked assume, couldn't fire more than a mag withoUT breaking it].
>>345079593
>ok yeah there are hundreds of different non-lethal ways to go through MGSV, BUT THE TWO MOST EFFICIENT OPTIONS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT COUNT! SO THERE'S STILL ONLY 2 DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR NON-LETHAL!
Dishonored did ok
>>345079593
What do you think lethal playthroughs are like? They just use guns and grenades, not exactly any more variety than you experienced
>>345079754
Isn't it one option because you use them in a combination?
I'm so sad every time I see MGSV
It was such an incredible game
>>345080004
time to get back into the game and S-rank all missions anon :)
>>345078874
what do you want? a katana hilt smash move?
>>345079216
Smoke+CQC
DD's "Keep em busy" + CQC
Flashbang grenade
Sleeping gas mine
Rocket punch
Fulton Cannon
Throwing an empty mag at their head
A nonlethal takedown is always the most silent takedown
>>345079819
True.
But I will say that MGSV had excellent variety.
I mean there are a ton of guns you can usefor both lethall loud or stealth. I mean look at this guy. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCAT0smlt-45NdjpMbVnAvhA
>>345079354
>But there's also guns with STN properties
those are shit and you know it
why use an automatic weapon that has a 15 round suppressor over something that has an infinite suppressor and knocks out for longer in one shot?
>>345080157
This makes no sense.
If non-lethal gives bonus points, then why does it make the game easier?
Non-lethal should be riskier than just murdering everyone.
>>345080118
3 of your answers are cqc related.
But the rest are Aok.
>>345080004
Even more incredible when you realise that Skull Face is actually a time traveling Venom Snake
https://www.reddit.com/r/NeverBeGameOver/comments/4sakdt/new_theory_ground_zeroes_and_the_phantom_pains/
>>345079245
Megaman Rocketarm Punch.
DESU-TROYED
>>345080290
Amen.
Thank you anon
Cqc all day, i have all the time in the world watch me play on twitch please
Im more into GZ though
>>345078874
>I haven't played the game
https://youtu.be/GbCgQKHUhQc
>>345080296
Nonlethal does make the game harder. I want more tools to make it a bit easier. Usually play on hardest difficulty nonlethally.
>>345080416
>Im more into GZ though
haha yeah i have no redeeming qualities as a person either
>>345080290
>those are shit and you know it
Doesn't mean shit, it's still an option and you can't change the definition of the word.
>>345080614
While it's stiLloyd an option, no one will use it.
Why? Cause there is already a more efficient way of taking down people. Why use STN guns when you can have ZZZ guns that are faster better and more efficient
>>345080546
Ok good ill let moderate the shit
>>345080614
yeah and running down soldiers in a cardboard box is an option too
don't be a faggot
>>345080849
an option is an option man, doesn't matter whether you prefer it or not, the fact that the option is there is the point of the argument.
And yes running down soldiers in a cardboard box has worked out pretty well at times.
Non lethal stealth is retarded in most situations. Why should a highly talented and valuable operator/thief/whatever put himself at risk for someone who would kill him on sight?
>>345080849
It is though. The box in mgsv is fun and worth another playthrough
>>345081074
>Why should a highly talented and valuable operator/thief/whatever put himself at risk for someone who would kill him on sight?
>why would someone not want to kill everyone
edge
>>345077198
Because the ultimate stealth play-style is to sneak past everyone unnoticed, not to systematically incapacitate every enemy with non-lethal takedowns. Only plebs do that.
I'm only counting the first two, and you don't even have to use CQC if a guard is trapped in smoke.
The Rocket Punch is basically a non lethal Nikita Missile.
There's also the decoy, audio decoy and stun decoy.
And you can distract guards by playing audio clips from your walkman.
>>345080290
I got the Legendary Gunsmith as early as possible and was able customize and use better suppressors on my NL weapons.
>>345081321
Meant for
>>345080301
>>345081413
I don't think you can even customize nonlethal weapon suppressors other than the tranq gun.
>>345081495
You can
>>345081479
OK MGSV might not be the best example rather the opposite gadget wise but the weapons sucked ass
>>345077198
because you think some sandnigger that's driving through a crowd of 85 people is going to "surrender"?
Most people fight until they die in war
>>345081545
Never worked for me. Slot was always blocked off. For smgs and assault rifles a at least the nonlethal version.
>>345081626
Ain't real life.
Welcome to/v/.
>>345081074
Also
>tranq guns that knock guards out instantly
>the darts are seemingly invisible and the guards don't even remember being shot
I want whatever is in that shit
>>345081207
Why is that edge you fag? Non lethal doesn't make sense in military games, a soldier can't be expected to reflex slowmo tranq guards if he's spotted. Non lethal puts him in danger
I've been getting tired lately of going non-lethal for all my missions, so I might go all out and use like the other 75% of lethal weapons.
Also Chloroform grenades are really good for FOBs.
>>345081823
Suffer with me.
>>345081640
You can't use suppressors from lethal weapons on non lethal weapons, for balance reasons I'm assuming.
The trick is to develop a better suppressor for the NL SMG's and apply that to a tranq pistol.
It's even better now that they added higher tier weapons.
>>345081915
Oh sorry. I think we were kind of miscommunicating there. My bad. Understand now.
But they should have both lethal and nonlethal share suppressors imo
>>345081823
Only lethal, nonlethal FOBs have people immune to gas.
Also let me give you a massive tip, develop the Fakel SLP and then go to customize and strap it to any gun with an underbarrel option. Much longer range than any grenade and near instant deployment. More ammo too.
>>345080290
Because they have a longer range and can stun through body armor? Tranq darts get severely defanged when the only thing you can hit on an enemy is their lower face.
>>345077198
>>345078874
Because real non lethal playthroughs should be done witout alerting or touching anyone besides your actual target.
ITT: plebs thinking they can into stealth
>>345082684
>also known as "Just avoid the settlements and guard posts" runs
Real fun faggot.
>>345082721
No you can still infiltrate those and be a ghost.
If you'e good enough.
Given how many options you have in MGSV for non-lethals and different playstyles, why do they give you the best weapon in the game from the first mission?
>>345082881
>i'm going to get off my horse and sneak through this guard post before getting back on my horse
Useful.
>>345081074
Because he's the god damn master and he knows that you can't do shit to touch him. Why would he bother killing extras unrelated to his objective?
MGS V is so fucking good.
I'm thinking of giving it a go in Subsistence across all missions in a year or two.
>>345083028
>He uses the horse
>falling for the horse meme
>muh spaghetti western
>>345083305
You can;t do that, unfortunately. You can't even opt not to take a primary or secondary weapon, which is a shame
>>345077198
>not summoning the power of Thor Odison.
Do you even MGSV
>>345081321
What do the lullabies do?
>>345083028
Congrats man, I bet you also shoot everyone.
Hows playing Metal Dead Redemption ?
>>345083337
If you're using Wallhack Dog or Free Detection Lady you can hardly pretend you are skillful.
>>345083362
>>345083305
He could always not use the weapons he's forced to take.
>>345083413
>he uses markers
queer
>>345083407
More fun than playing crouchwalk proneroll.
>>345083413
>no buddies
>no marking
>reflex off
>cqc only
>final destination
>>345082509
This.
Also, I'm sorry you faggots have too much of a one track mind that prevents you from having fun with the different options a game gives you.
>>345083465
>still free markings on the map
>>345083247
Because he can't just save scum when he gets caught like the player. Ghosting is obviously superior, but if there's trouble he wouldn't put himself in harm's way for the enemy's sake. He carries the AMDs for a reason anon
>>345083413
Using companions at all.
anon I play with just sneaking suit.
No compaion, no stun pistol, no sniper, no weapon whatsoever besides knife.
Only think I use is ammo as decoy.
>>345083507
As long as youre having fun.
>>345083603
>he uses the fastcrouch crutch
git gud and sneak with fatigues
>>345083398
High Grade Hand of Jehuty is completely insane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVUlKODEcVU
I should get back to this, apparently i missed a lot.
>>345083603
Your playthrough sounds absolutely thrilling. I bet you really, really enjoy prone rolling your way through the game.
>>345079245
STN Assault Rifle+ STN SMG
>>345083675
I prefer the stun arm for FOBs.
Cheaper to deploy by a mile as well, and fucks an entire platform.
>>345083362
>>345083462
There's a mod for it, friends.
>>345080290
Tranq can't shoot through glass or body armor and were better when you had to go loud. STN weapons had their place.
>>345083679
Feels good having an S Mantis score on the end of the mission
>>345077198
Because le options meme is exactly what killed tpp
Funnily enough the menu lacks simple game options to turn off retarded tutorial popups or constant repeating radio messages
who /100%/ here and in how many hours?
>>345083889
>automatically overwritten by foxhound
>>345081495
You need to upgrade both the non lethal weapon so you can put better silencers on and lethal weapons to get better silencers.
Guess you don't know how to play stealth then my nigga.
Use buddies, D-Horse to shit, D-Dog to bark or maul, D-Walker or D(at)-Ass to cover fire.
Use the water gun, decoys, stealth camo, fuck you're stupid.
>>345084017
I'm like 60 or 70, 110 something hours I think.
Shame stealth games don't focus more on ghosting, and improve movement mechanics enough to allow it to be do able.
>>345081915
I know for a fact lethal and non lethal weapons of the same category can share silencers as long as the non lethal weapon is of the same tier.
>>345084208
Nope, there's an exception for the rifles and SMGs.
>>345084204
>Shame stealth games don't focus more on ghosting
elaborate
>>345084208
>>345084256
Isn't it that non lethal blue gun silencers don't work on regular guns?
>>345084390
>Isn't it that non lethal blue gun silencers don't work on regular guns?
Yes. The NL SMG and AR, in other words.
>Early game
>Wow, a nonlethal sniper? That's exactly what I need, too bad it's not silenced. I'll have to grind for some times to get the other nonlethal sniper which does have a silencer.
>Somes hours later
>Unlock gun modifications
More games need a custom gun builder like MGSV's. Making the perfect Frankenstein gun is satisfying.
>>345084596
>Making the perfect Frankenstein gun is satisfying.
It's fucking necessary desu, I like my guns a certain way in stealth or I ditch them.
>>345079245
okay now shorten that list to the ones that keep you hidden or don't alert anyone
>wanting even more gadgets for stealth games
stay pleb /v/
how about you want actual gameplay instead? so that stealth is the easiest method.
>>345079245
riot smg
>>345085082
>cardboard box
>stealth camo
>d-horse
>water gun
>chicken hat
>tranqs if you're not a pleb
>>345078874
Did you not notice that you can get SMGs that shoot rubber balls that stun with one headshot?
If you just want to go full Rambo, why are you taking people alive anyway, isn't that sort of missing the point?
I always did a thing I liked, I had one character for each playstyle.
If I just wanted to kill people I sent Flaming Buffalo, a chick in battle dress who always brought a huge revolver.
If I wanted to be stealthy shooty hide and scooty I sent Jackal, one of the MSF soldiers.
If I wanted to actually play Metal Gear Solid with pistol & CQC only, I sent Snake.
I had a whole storyline in my head of those three hanging out at Mother Base drinking after missions and laughing about their antics. I know they probably die during the events of Metal Gear, though. That brought me down a bit.
>>345079784
Explain. I did non-lethal in Dishonored and felt limited as fuck looking at all the ways to murder people.
my biggest problem with MGSV is that there are a ton of cool/fun looking gadgets and shit but a Great chunk of the fun looking ones locks you out of getting the best rank just because
>>345084390
Ghosting is when you do a mission, but there is no traces. No detection.
You simply slipped past everything and left no clues.
A lot of stealth games is focused around "do takedowns to get past guards" which makes ghosting impossible.
One thing is a game like Metal Gear Solid, which is designed around the enemy knowing you are there. Another are if you can rapidly go past everything.
>>345085438
You can ghost in MGSV if you're patient as fuck and use the water gun.
What exactly did you want mechanics or gadgets wise to improve ghosting?
>>345085517
>You can ghost in MGSV if you're patient as fuck and use the water gun.
You can't do missions in MGS, without leaving traces. Its a core design.
If you had more wall running and 3-6x the jumping distance, ghosting could be attempted.
>>345077198
Shit example, one of MGSV's biggest problems is that it gives you a ton of options but there's no reason to use them since the tranq is so overpowered
>>345085585
I'm a special snowflake faggot who can't into stealth so therefore no one else can.
>>345085517
>use the water gun
?
>>345085719
If you could ghost, there would be no missions with detected phases, fighting Ghosts.
>>345085585
I was thinking about side ops for some reason, but yeah you're right, I can only think of like a handful of missions you can probably ghost.
>>345085752
You can use the water gun as a replacement for throwing magazines, you can deactivate electronics like generators and comm shit without them knowing what happened, you can spray a nigga in the face and have a good 3 or so seconds to cqc or something.
You can also hold people up.
Ahh ok ok
>>345085860
Never knew that. Neat.
Honestly I haven't even beaten the game but after 160 hours and those repeat missions I felt good with it.
>>345085767
Then explain how I was able to extract the viscount + the interpreter + 3 extra prisioners without triggering any alarms or disabling anyone ?
Just because you can't doesn't mean you can't.
Of course you're going to get detected on boss fights. Doesn't mean you can't play other segments of the game undetected.
i used to use non-lethal in every stealth game but then i just grew away from it. i got tired of having to knock someone out and getting no fun out of it. i had alot more fun when i was just straight killing enemies and still remaining stealthy. it seemed more sensible to me in the idea that they would stay gone no matter what. that's just me anyways anyone else just kill the enemies instead of knocking them out?
>>345079354
>Stun decoys
Bruh you can just chuck a normal decoy at their feet and deploy it. Knocks them on their ass and causes nearby enemies to completely focus on checking out why a balloon just knocked their ally on his ass.
>>345085860
Then that's not ghosting. Ghosting is leaving absolutely no traces. Meaning no generators get fucked, nothing moves, no one gets knocked out. It's going in, doing the job and getting back out without anyone ever knowing you were there and without them having the slightest suspicion you even were there
>>345086092
You ever use the hand of jehute[sic]?
You can use it to snatch enemies
>>345086258
You can do that.
There is even a hidden bonus in mgs5 called "No traces" or something like that. It gives you like 100000 points.
I think the requirements were use no equipment, don't fire a single shot, don't get caught, don't go in caution, and some other shit.
You can get no traces on a majority of the missions outside of the obligatory bosses and fight encounters.
>>345084017
I 100%'d in like 60 hours or something, I have 224 hours due to doing challenge runs and heavily modded runs. While the story is shit, I honestly love the gameplay.
Open world needs work, but deploying and then never returning to MB unless I absolutely have to is pretty fun and makes calling in supply drops and whatnot a necessity.
>>345086259
not that I remember.
>>345079245
also throwing yourself at the enemy and holding them up
Because you're a retarded faggot who doesn't know what an actual stealth game is. Pic related is the last and best stealth game to ever be released. If you never 100% the bank level without being detected or interacting with guards/cameras you need to neck yourself.
>GIVE MORE NON-LETHAL OPTIONS!
And then you have people like this >>345083603
who, if given a sea of non-lethal options, would strive to do the elitist hardcore mode and not use any of those options to finish.
Shit like True Ghost was where it was at in Thief, where you never knock out anybody and get through the level without doing anything but steal shit and finish the objective.
>>345086118
I don't think you understand what ghosting is.
The core of MGS "high level stealth" is that you need to FORCE manipulation of guard AI, via rocks or water guns or something.
By breaking their patrol route, you can maintain normal speed.
Now, its possible to GHOST in some missions, but its rare. Often there are checkpoints you need to pass with Chaff Grenades, or boss battles.
If you could ghost, it would be a different story.
>>345077198
I fucking love nonlethal.
>>345086472
>I think the requirements were use no equipment, don't fire a single shot, don't get caught, don't go in caution, and some other shit.
Which means there is CQC melee.
And forced detection phases for a lot of missions.
>>345079245
>Drop from height
>deploy decoy balloon in close proximity
>gallop into them with d-horse
>flashbang grenades, smoke grenades, sleeping gas grenades,
>throw any grenade/magazine/projectile directly into the head,
>3/5 punch combo (much longer stun)
>door slam
>leg shots and fulton
>Fulton ballista
>dive into them
>hold up and force surrender
>>345088056
Makes me so sad that stealth peaked so long ago.
>>345077198
Why is the stealth in the game you just posted so shit?
