>>345059890
gameplay is meh
>>345059890
I don't think anyone here thinks it's *bad*. What it is is *average*. Ordinary. Okay. In other words, completely undeserving of all the hype.
>>345059890
It tries to subvert/reinterpret the rpg genre like the Mother series, which it at times blatantly copies, but ultimately reproduces all the old cliches without any additional insight.
>>345060151
There are tons of people who think it's bad here. What are you talking about?
>>345059890
good storyif you're into feel-good schmuck, decent gameplay, horrible fanbase. see: your fucking filename.
>>345059890
>demo days
a real cult game,no shitposting about it or skeletons cucking people.
>game get released
the biggest fanboyism revolution of 2015,so many threads saying it was the second coming of christ,the fanbase descended in to pure chaos after that.
the demo fanboys simply ceased to exist.
at least it's better than mighty con man 9
Nothing. The game is okay and a nice experience but the fanbase draws the worst out of everyone on all sides.
>>345059890
Well, treating the player like shit for wanting to do anything but spare all of the monsters is pretty shitty.Especially since the game goes out of its way to make you regret your choices in EVERY GAME.
>>345060674
>>demo days
>goatmom 34 for days
fixed
>>345059890
Like any story, it tries to manipulate the player's emotions. However, it lacks subtlety. A good story manipulates the reader's/viewer's/player's emotions without them realizing it. Even if you know it's happening, you kinda forget about it the more you get engrossed in it. A bad story does everything it can to manipulate you but doesn't even try to be stealthy about it, so some players may feel like their intelligence is being insulted.
Also I hated all the characters except the tall idiot skeleton.
>>345059890
>Music is decent (Fan Dual Mixes are pretty good, come to think)
>Gameplay is memorable but just barely
>Overall story is alright, nothing special
>Characters range from good (Undyne) to alright (Papyrus) to utterly useless (Alphys).
>Twist can be seen a mile away by people who pay enough attention
Overall is was just an okay game. What's bad is how out of proportion it got blown by Tumblr attempting to insert themselves into it, with no attempt by the creator to stem the cancer.
http://pastebin.com/f31AJx4J
This game isn't much about the gameplay itself, nor the graphics (the music is pretty good, though) It's more about the story, characters and the message that it is trying to spread, which does pretty good. I don't think it is the second coming of Christ and it is a BIT overrated but it still is a pretty good game and totally worth checking out.
>>345060820
the creator knew the outcome,the amusing part is that he just watched it burn.
>>345060775
i see no problem with the fix.
>>345059890
Nothing. People who don't like it haven't actually played it, and those who have can agree it's the best game. The hatebase is a minority that don't play video games.
>>345059890
Nothing really, besides the tropey as fuck true pacifist ending.
>>345060820
>with no attempt by the creator to stem the cancer.
Why should the creator try to stifle his creation's success?
>>345059890
Spritework. Everything else is forgivable considering it was only $10
Most of the people who think it's pretty good or average played only through the neutral/good endings, which are not nearly as interesting as the Genocide ending, which acts as the true meta-analysis of videogames and RPGs as a whole.
>>345059890
It doesn't have much bad about it, desu. /v/ just hates it because of tumblr cancer being everywhere.
>>345061038
When it actively begins to gnaw on its own innards for nothing but attention.
My waifu became gay. This is unforgivable.
>>345059890
Good game, worst fanbase since Sonic.
>>345059890
Just the fanbase being a shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHL_Bk60F_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBtpBwzzdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2-6GFkMpdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDatjUbYrxo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WDFUcjWARU
When the demo came out, i didn't give a shit until i saw Toby was the one working on it. I knew he would have done top tier music for the game
>>345059890
Nothing major, it's a pretty good game. It's kinda short, but then again it's 10 bucks so I didn't expect it to be 60 hours long.
>>345061006
Fuck off. I played it to the end. A friend bought it for me so I played it to the end out of obligation.
I've since uninstalled it and never thought about playing it again. I genuinely dislike it from the bottom of my heart.
>>345061124
what the fuck
>>345061317
Ok.
>>345061154
>Not wanting a threesome with otaku lizard
>>345060820
>good (Undyne)
>>345059890
The only thing i hate about this game is that they just wont let me murder alphys, i fucking hate her, its fucking autistic that i cant fucking kill her
>>345061403
The guy probably anticipated that everyone would hate her and thus made her the only one who wasn't killable.
>>345061097
>Muh meta-analysis
>Video games are art
>so deep
>>345061463
Great argument!
>>345061440
Fuck Toby, fucking faggot
>>345061097
this
without the genocide route, Undertale would be a 6 or 7/10 at best and wouldn't be nearly as popular, and as you already know, two of the best tracks and boss battles in the game are from genocide
also people love bringing up the cancerous segments of the fanbase in these threads, but why the fuck are they going to tumblr to find those images anyway? it's like a normalfag going to /b/ to find objectionable material to post on facebook as proof that "omg 4chan is sick"
Good Music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcamjcoRmrQ
>>345061403
What's with the Alphys hate? Is it just because so many people see so much of themselves in the fat, weeby, socially inept, self-loathing, nerdy shut-in character?
>>345061697
only tumblrfags know the ins and outs of that hellhole to find that image.
it's called autism.
>>345059890
Asriel
Flowey's better
>>345061805
She's basically embodies /v/'s persona, so yes.
>>345061097
>true meta-analysis of videogames and RPGs as a whole.
>ur a bad person
>>345061805
No you dumb fuck, not only she deceives you through the Hotlands, having to deal with all the puzzles, hired killers and fucking Mettaton, she also fucked up badly at the true lab and she was never punished for it, she deserves to die
Gameplay can be better, as in having more difficulty.
Genocide gets annoying with its grinding and is really boring until you get to the two major bosses which are pretty fun. It, lack for a better word, encourages you to do Pacifist.
The story is alright but it REALLY tries deepthroat you that "VIOLENCE IS BAD >:^[" message.
The music is really good, that's probably the best thing out of this game.
The characters interaction is good at best, but it tries that "LOLFUNNYRANDOMXD" shtick which can get bothersome.
The overworld art are pretty lazy and bland if you ask me.
For $10, It's a good game with glaring flaws.
>>345062074
>I didn't play it, but I'm going to pretend I know what it's about.
>>345062140
>Genocide gets annoying with its grinding and is really boring
Congrats on missing the point!
>>345062158
Nice strawman.
>monsters try to kill you
>you fight back or choose an non-pc answer
>woah aren't you an evil genocidal psychopath
>>345062267
Hahahaha what? And your post isn't?
This is pure strawman, kid: >>345062074
>>345061124
Drive them sales. I hope my game flies off the tracks like this so I can retire early on millions of autism bux
>>345061805
Maybe you fucking like her because she is just like you, disgusting fat weeb fuck
>>345062328
The game's *true meta-analysis of videogames and RPGs as a whole* is just Spec Ops:The Line all over again.
>kid
Nothin' personel kid.
>>345062247
If its trying to send a message about how violence is bad, it still doesn't excuse it for being boring. A game shoud be fun, not teach me morals.
>>345062081
I thought that Alphys was trying to help the kid (and make up for her True Lab experiments in the process), but Mettaton hijacked her plans (and lab) and tried to kill him/her.
>>345062474
>is just Spec Ops:The Line all over again.
What's wrong with that?
>>345062519
>A game shoud be fun, not teach me morals.
HOLY SHIT you must be 18 or younger
>>345062428
Actually, I relate more to Chara and Flowey, you f*cking idiot.
>>345062628
edgy
>>345062663
>>345062560
No, everything is fucking fake, Try to die in any of those segments, you wont, its all planned, Alphys deserves to die
>>345062628
>f*cking idiot
How old are you, Anon?
>>345062568
>a game shoving a moral down our asses that every adult should know by now
Yeah i'm definitely a kid
>>345062314
Considering your death is never truly permanent because of Determination, you're expected to do the right thing rather than turn the world into your plaything until you get bored and throw it away.
Unfortunately, Flowey does that exact thing, but he gets a pass because Chara doesn't spontaneously yank the controller away from him and decide "lolno erase time fgt"
>>345062815
That's not what you said, kid. You said:
>>>345062519
>A game shoud be fun, not teach me morals.
>>345062808
stop acting like a f*cking a**hole dude. (P.S. you have to be 18+ to look at this pic)
>>345060901
This reads exactly like the review of someone who had every intention of hating the game before he even played it, then only acknowledged the parts of the game that supported his preconception.
>>345062568
>What's wrong with that?
Both games try way too fucking hard to be deep and meta even though they fall under the same cliches they are trying to avert.
>>345063052
so you are underaged
>>345063170
>Both games try way too fucking hard to be deep and meta
How do they "try too fucking hard?" Is art trying to have a meaning "trying too hard?" You're just being anti-intellectual at this point. You might as well tell me that Joyce, Kadinsky, and Schoenberg were tryhards.
>>345063328
>vidya
>art
>Comparing real artists to vidya
>>345063180
dude back off?!?!?!
>>345063480
Your meme argument isn't really valid; you know that, right?
I honestly feel kinda bad for Toby Fox. He didn't expect it to get this huge and cancerous, he just wanted to make a game because he had a cool soundtrack and a battle system he wanted to experiment more with. Then it got crazy funded on Kickstarter, LPers picked it up, and it became a fuckin mess
It's a good game for ten dollars. I didn't care much for the main characters outside of Sans and Papyrus, though. The humor definitely isn't for everyone, and it's made out to be the second coming of Christ by the fans when in reality it's just a decent game. Best thing about the game is easily the soundtrack.
>>345059890
I liked it a bit until it went HYPERREALISTYIC BLOOD THE GAME IS TRYING TO KILL ME creepypasta mode, that and the annoying ass fuck bitch nigga nerd lizard and the skeleton and the robot and then the fat skeleton
>>345063596
not an argument
>he's still defending Undertale as a smart game
>>345063762
What the fuck dude, he made a bunch of money why should he be sad
>>345063843
>not an argument
>kys
I hate these memes
Bastion did Undertale better
>Indie game
>Some choices
>Feels
>Good music
>Story > Gameplay
>NG+ Deja Vu
>Multiple endings
>>345063843
I made my argument here: >>345063328
You have yet to refute it.
>>345063009
It still doesn't help that it tries too hard to send a message that hinders the experience of the player. If anything, I believe that it's an excuse for the developer to be lazy and half-ass the mode. It's obvious his main ambition is the Pacifist route. Like I said, a game should be fun.
>>345062314
>Try to kill you
The library in Snowdin says monsters communicate through magic
Humans are vulnerable to magic
Most monsters in game aren't actually trying to hurt you
>>345063912
Bastion was rather dull, and more an experiment in narrative that wasn't very fleshed out in concept.
>>345063995
See >>345063328
>>345061212
>This music
>Good
PLEBIAN
BE VAPORIZED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAWvCybz4c0
>>345062314
I'm fairly certain the game's judgement of you varies depending on how much you kill. I didn't kill too much on my first run so while the game does make you reflect on your actions Sans specifically said that it could just have been self-defence so he wasn't going to judge and that's hardly damning you as being "genocidal." No idea what you mean by "non-pc answer" though because the only moral quandaries are about choosing whether or not to commit murder.
>>345059890
Gay lizard can't be killed
>>345064035
The gameplay was above average, the story was intriguing, the 'experiment' was wildly successful, and has higher user reviews on every site with such a feature. It's literally better than Undertale in every way that they're similar.
>>345064154
You're calling him a plebeian for posting that shit?
Just because you listen to the shitty /mu/core chart doesn't mean your shitty favorite music is good.
That track is awful by the way. Disorganized arangement, cheesy instrument effects, uninteresting composition in general (chords in particular).
>>345063929
>he can't into memes
What were the meanings of Undertale and Spec Ops besides *lol ur evil and u should feel bad for playing games*?
>>345064158
Not committing genocide is leftist cuck SJW nu-mayle and jewish.
Or at least that what everyone who complains about anything related to political correctness in terms of undertale seems to mean.
>>345064319
>The gameplay was above average
Found it really mediocre.
>story was intriguing
Hardly, it's the presentation that made the game intriguing, not the story which was actually quite bland with few interesting moments.
>BUT MUH REVIEWS
Fuck off, kid.
>>345064390
The meanings are a lot deeper than your strawman.
>>345064467
>The meanings are a lot deeper than your strawman.
Like what?
>kid
Nothin' personel kid
>>345064340
>Disorganized arrangement
>cheesy instrumental effects
>uninteresting composition in general
Anonymous, we're not talking about Undertale's OST.
We're talking about Niers.
You baka.
>>345064467
>mediocre
>bland
>fuck off with your evidence, my opinions trump it
>Nothing personnel, kid
Top hot opinions there buddy. Interesting combinations of weapons and upgrades, flasks, combat, arenas, the combat is a lot more complex than undertale's own in a good way.
>Story was uninteresting
I guess time travel and the end of the world isn't interesting to you if the power of friendship isn't involved
>>345064646
>Like what?
At this point you have yet to provide any response that isn't a shitty "ayy lmao" post so no, I'm not going to validate you.
>>345064705
Oh OK then.
Let's do this the other way then:
>>345064319
>above average
>intriguing
>wildly successful
>fuck off with your evidence, my opinions trump it
>>>345063995
>See >>345063328
Art doesn't automatically make something good. In this case, the moral of the game.
>>345064824
>At this point you have yet to provide any response that isn't a shitty "ayy lmao" post so no, I'm not going to validate you.
Nice, you have no argument.
>>345064824
You didn't post any evidence.
>combat is more complex is an opinion
>higher reviews is an opinion
You can't even read.
>>345064912
>Nice, you have no argument.
I've posted several.
You've posted none.
>>345064937
Neither did you!
>>345061212
fucking nigger
>>345064874
Was meant for >>345064035 my mistake
>>345063052
Can't tell if summer /v/ or a bad troll
Sometimes I think /v/ hates on the game too much, forgetting that it was mostly made by one person.
I also ignore the people who hate on it for it's fanbase. Sorry your singleplayer experience was ruined by autists. And playing a game thats liked by autist doesn't make you an autist by association.
When you see people who care THAT much about what other people think, you know you got underage b& on here. No one in their right mind 20+ would possibly give that much of a shit.
>>345065021
You can't do the ol' switcheroo if it doesn't apply. I backed up my claims with facts, and you backed your claims with nothing.
>>345064874
>Art doesn't automatically make something good.
Good thing that wasn't my point, then!
>>345065120
>I backed up my claims with facts
Where?
>gameplay is more complex
oh wow
click to bash hammer or shoot gun
Complexity!
>>345065021
My argument is that undertale's message is shallow and simple, your only argument so far has been *Undertale has several deep meanings* yet you haven't mentioned any.
Well guys since apparently complexity ISN'T opinion according to:
>>345064937
>>345065120
Here's a test!
Which of these is more complex?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxbpF_aW4vU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS82nF85_gA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ7jpKh_UF0
>>345065297
>My argument is that undertale's message is shallow and simple,
So you don't have an argument? Just "no it isn't" even though you can't explain why?
>>345064154
Fucking great music you linked, but even if you aren't a fan of the music style of Undertale's tracks you have to still at least appreciate the way the varying themes are linked into eachother.
The various themes that play when encountering Metatton all get remixed together when you fight Metatton EX. The battle against Metatton NEO takes part of the theme from Undyne the Undying's fight, both bosses only accessible from the genocide run. I think the best composition comes from the fight against the true final boss in the pacifist run that takes a whole mess of different songs and manages to blend them together seamlessly and almost unnoticeably. Or hell, the main theme manages to sneak into a bunch of songs subtly and I think that's a pretty big accomplishment. I haven't seen any other game have such a unity in its music.
>>345065194
>what are upgrades
>what are different abilities with each weapon
>what are weapon combos
>what is ale
>what are idols
Sorry your cursory google search didn't actually give you any insight into the mechanics of the game, or you played through like a brain-dead monkey only clicking left mouse button.
My claim: Bastion is a better game than Undertale
My facts: User reviews are higher wherever they exist. Combat is more complex due to the options you're given and enemy variety. Game is better produced due to having an actual company make it.
Your response: Nothin' personnel, kid
>>345065543
>My facts: User reviews are higher wherever they exist.
How does that make it a better game?
Users rate Skyrim higher than loads of games that you and I would consider better.
>Combat is more complex due to the options you're given and enemy variety.
See >>345065305
>better produced
Is this supposed to be a fact?
>>345063889
Well yes he made money, but he's got a lot to carry with Undertale, a game that he just wanted to make as a side thing. That game had such an internet impact, gonna be rough to top that. The bar has been set high by his fans
>>345065395
Well if i'm so wrong why don't you enlighten me by telling what are the complex meanings Undetale conveys?
>>345065305
>using music as an analogy for complexity in gameplay
Comparing apples and oranges, you're barely a step above the average /v/ food analogy
>complexity is an opinion
A one stringed guitar (Undertale) will always be less complex than a four stringed one (Bastion), if we're going to use music for comparison.
>>345065297
>>345065305
>>345065194
>>345064937
>>345064824
>>345064705
Shut the fuck up. Argue elsewhere. No one cares
>>345065645
You have no argument about complexity.
Reviews reflect how good a game is, even if they're not /v/s flavor of the month fun.
Yea, it is a fact. It's better produced in every way, from music, to graphics, to writing.
>>345062314
yes
>>345065698
I've explained it already, and you haven't explained how it isn't.
>>345065746
>A one stringed guitar (Undertale) will always be less complex than a four stringed one (Bastion)
Objectively wrong.
Originally written for a clarinet with far fewer keys and much more unreliable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnr8TFVTJ5s
Piece written for clarinet with full key capabilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poG0537wCfM
>>345065915
Oh shut the fuck up kid, no one cares that you discount everything I say because I disagree with you.
Why is it that every time I enter arguments on 4chan the teenagers here just always say "NUH UH NO WAY" and spew strawmans until they expect you to kowtow to them?
Why can't I leave this shithole?
The art is fucking ass
>>345066008
>I've explained it already, and you haven't explained how it isn't.
No you haven't.
>kid
Nothin' personnel kid
>>345061124
You know he would have been eaten alive had he said a single fucking thing about the game. He knew this as well.
If I was him I would just shut up and walk away, use the 3 million to start a new life. There is nothing anyone can do to tame a fanbase like that, and it's suicide to try.
>>345065902
If nobody cares why are you so mad about it :^)
>>345066008
>shut the fuck up nothin' personnel kid
No argument? Alright. Instead of personal insults you could be throwing counter-arguments my way, but it's obvious you have none.
>Still going on with the music comparisons
It's not objectively wrong no matter how many music videos you throw my way. You'll never be able to achieve the level of a four stringed guitar with a one stringed guitar, even if both players are masters.
>>345066172
>>345066008
>>345065915
Will you two swap contact information and go blow each other already? If not,
Shut the fuck up.
Take your bullshit somewhere else.
>>345066132
>why can't I leave this shithole?
Because you're autistic and it's the only way you can get your daily social fix.
>>345066286
You're free to stop browsing the thread :)
>>345066457
Don't reply to me again.
>>345066636
I said don't reply to me ever again.
I will have the last word.
>>345066457
>>345066720
The shitposting is real.
>>345066871
t. mobile poster
>>345061368
So quit blatantly discrediting a broad group based on assumptions just because they have a differing opinion.
>>345066934
Yeah, and? I'm about to go to sleep so that I can wake up in the morning.
>>345067116
Ok.
Undertale is alright in general, it's just the lesson that it's trying to bring is up its ass about taking the genocide route. I should have a good time with it, not just move around in circles to grind then move to the next room.
>>345067156t-mobile poster
>>345067282
>t-mobile
>>345067498
>anime shitposter shares my opinions
Fuck you
>>345067568
>hard mode will never get finished
>No HM Alphys
>no Mettaton NEO 2.0
>no boss that takes advantage of the multicolor heart thing
>no touhou tier dodging
i am still mad
>>345059890
The graphics were ugly. The "humor" was cringey. And didn't like the [spoilers] music.
>>345068472
We can tell you're a teenager.
>>345059890
It's a comparatively decent game in the sea of indie shit that got overhyped by the cringey fanbase.
>>345068605
>kid
>>345068193
>no boss that takes advantage of the multicolor heart thing
Asriel does it during the whole "SAVE" sequence, but sadly it's easy as piss.
>>345068193
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-tM_MhC--o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CteVubVnx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=786bb0vGdJM
I'd be more in favour of Mettaton NEO and Gaster
Chara is literally a harder version of Asriel to me
>>345060596
>feel-good schmuck
>>345059890
Playthroughs needed to be a lot longer, felt it ended too soon.
Otherwise overly-bloated autistic love/hate aside, it's nice for the simple charming adventure it was.
>>345060518
No one thinks it's objectively terrible. Those that have played the game tend to like--of course some will not. A majority of the shitposting you see is people who are sick of the fanbase, which IS objectively terrible. Then you get folks who can't separate the fanbase from the game, and call the whole thing shit. It's a very, VERY typical reaction from /v/, and it happens all the time.
>>345059890
Ultimately not difficult outside of genocide bosses.
>>345059890
It's not the game, it's the fanbase which is cancerous trash
>>345059890
The aesthetics.
The walk speed.
Alphys.
>>345060151
>I don't think anyone here thinks it's *bad*
/v/ must be trying real hard to deceive me then
>>345059890
ridiculously short and easy, Writing is trash, shoves homo shit all over
>>345070203
>Writing is trash, shoves homo shit all over
>he fell for the "undertale is the new gone home" meme
>>345059890
Gameplay is bad, and it didn't capitalize on any of the potential it had with allowing to kill or spare certain characters. Genocide is garbage aside from two boss fights, and neutral is a complete waste of time.
If you didn't like the characters, you wouldn't like the game.
>>345060596
>feel-good schmuck
>>345059890
>Poor and inconsistent visuals. "Indie" or "1-man team" are NOT excuses for this. Toby was just LAZY as fuck. Don't care about the "graphics don't matter" bullshit, an experience like this (not so focused on gameplay) should AT LEAST look decent enough. This do NOT look good.
>Clever use of bullet hell minigames, but it gets repetitive fast, even with the included variations
>Lack of use of RPG mechanics. And no, walking on a tile-based level is not RPG gameplay
>Flat, poorly written characters (fight me, bitch). Caring for characters like Muffet, that dummy doll, that gay ghost, that goat kid (which his origins and motivations are revealed until the very end), or feeling something those forced-as-shit lesbian relationship or the rancid "comedy" of that gay robot tells a lot about yourBADtastes.
>Loose story archs, with turns that distract heavily from the character's goals, which btw are not explained properly, so it's hard to get invested in it, don't care if it's supposed to be shit like "you're the one making the choice to spare of kill anyone!".
>All those EMOTIONS come from clichés and based on internet culture/tumblr-shit-tier values that will rot in no time. You'll feel bad with yourself for liking this shit when you turn your head back in 5 years or less.
To be fair, the game does some other things really well, but do not compensate from all the issues fans and muh game journalists (who obviously just bandwagoned) so easily ignore.
Fuck this game.
>>345070365
>fell
Nigger it's true, it wasn't the whole game but holy shit did the innuendo with Papyrus, the gay guards, the fucking awful romance with undyne and alphys taking up the entire ending felt like it was the whole thing.
>>345070593
This.
Felt exactly the same way, literally any and all emotional moment from this game is some kid's impression of what an actual emotional scene in media plays like because he gets his reference from shitty animu and old RPGs
>>345059890
Literally nothing. It accomplishes what it sets out to do with flying colors and I therefore consider it a masterpiece, not of the genre, or above any other game, but just the game itself.
/v/
>>345061124
>>345070619
you did fall for the meme tee bee aytch
No ordinary person cared, or even had to think, about the fag shit unless they were from /v/, even the less liberal review sites made no effort to take note of it.
>>345071069
>No ordinary person cared
nice meme
>>345059890
It's like every other GameMaker/RPGMaker game except it's popular and so in an attempt to seem cool and jaded people jump onto it and call it shit.
I'm out.
>>345071067
>because nobody fucking cares
>yet someone cared enough to make this image
>>345069162
Amazing how the fans outdo Toby gameplay-wise, that Gaster fight ended up better than I was expecting.
Any more of these fanmade fights (excluding any attempts at genocide Papyrus, because that shit's way too edgy)?
>>345059890
Nothing is really that bad about it, apart from the horrible fanbase.
Good music
Good story
Retro gameplay
Good characters
Have to play in different ways to get full story
Unique
Cute goatmom character
I put myself off playing this for ages because all I saw was the cringy autistic SJW Tumblr fanbase.
Heard some of the music tracks, looked at some gameplay, loved every bit of it (although some humour can be forced/childish i.e Papyrus)
Just ignore the fans and you'll be fine.
>>345071180
Unless they were from /v/ mind you
On /v/ we're bombarded with so much bullshit about every game that comes and it gets farther and farther from fact every year.
At some point hiroshimoot has to purge this fucking board.
>>345071548
Alphys NEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZB9VzUhols
Pacifist Sans (this one is pretty good)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deBGetpuzcQ
A non edgy genocide Papyrus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqgZNGq2nqs
Everything else i've found is OC donutsteel crap, like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0EMsR_UhJU
>>345071676
If you think homosex shit is acceptable then refrain yourself to reply, one it's not natural, two it's unhealthy for any society, three it just gives ome speople window to look for trouble and get easy protection, and what else that pro or con about it.
In the case of Undertale it's DISGUSTINGLY in your face, someone said it was ''subtle'' or it didn't make a difference, total bullshit.
>>345059890
The game sucks your dick for not being a murderous psychopath when it gives you no incentive to be a murderous psychopath
If you kill people you don't get rewarded anything. Actual combat is boring as fuck, you don't learn any new skills or anything and all that happens is you deal more damage. Meanwhile if you don't go out of your way to murder everyone you get rewarded by everyone telling you how good of a person you are
The game seems to almost completely miss the point of grinding and thinks that most players just wantonly murder everything for no reason in an RPG. Generally speaking the reason why people grind is because they get stuck on a boss and need to get stronger to beat it, they want some kind of loot or money, or they want to get stronger. The types of games that reward you for grinding generally give you more skills/magic/abilities/whatever and have more complicated combat systems than Undertale
This is why Undertale's attempt at commentary on killing in RPGs does not work. There is no need to grind, no actual reward or incentive to kill anything, in fact, it is the complete opposite- not only is it exceptionally easy to not kill anything, but you get praised for it too, and the combat is so boring that getting "stronger" does not feel rewarding and there is no incentive to do it. The game seems to assume you are a good person for simply not being a psychopath.
>>345061369
>Wanting to go anywhere near Otaku lizard
>>345061154
This.
She went from 10 to - fucking 300 on amazing 10 minutes
>>345071067
vg made this, didnt them
>>345061403
If you kill Unsure she kills herself
It's not said outright but it's really obvious
>>345071914
I'll refer to my previous point, it's a complete cognitive bias on your part that was fed by the the anti-fag propaganda you see on this board focusing specifically on this game.
People who made their living complaining about this specific kind of bullshit in games like DA2 and ME3 have are curiously silent about this supposed gross infringement on character writing in something of a sleeper hit.
>>345071914
There's a gay guard (The other one isn't if you talk to him later) and Undyne + Alphys.
3 gay people in a game with dozens of straight people is hardly shoving it in your face.
>>345072890
>anti-fag propaganda is a /v/ thing
Were you born yesterday or something?
>>345064154
Pls, even with the Undermeme hate at full swing it still sweeped the OST of the year on the /v/GAs
>>345073063
Yeah right, nevermind everything else with the other characters, mainly Papyrus' date which digs enough into that territory it's not subtle anymore
Speaking of subtle, there's absolutely fucking NOTHING subtle about making a guy come out of the closet to win a battle and spend the whole fucking last act of the game fixing up a shitty date between 2 characters, one of which becomes the focus of another whole chapter outside her own, plus the cringe-worthy dialog that involves any and all things of this kind in the game.
>>345073083
I didn't say that. Some comes from /pol/, a little from the newfags that flooded in after GG.
I should also mention that /v/ in the past didn't have a particularly negative opinion about homosexuality 5 years ago when DA2 came ou. We shat that game because it handled gay characters so ineptly, practicing tokenism and making the gay their only trait.
>>345073473
I must admit I forgot about Papyrus' date, however he rejects you because he's not gay.
Either way, you seem a tad mad/insane over nothing.
>>345073742
Fug, I mangled this post
>>345073473
As someone who disagrees with religious gay marriage but not civil gay marriage in real life (I believe religious people or clergy shouldn't have to perform gay weddings if they don't want to, church and state are separate), and as someone who also has a married gay cousin, I felt it was a little too hamfisted with cringeysciencelizard and Undyne.
I agree too about the guard.
That said, I know the creator did work on homestuck and was born in 91. So, is Toby Fox gay or something? The overall message of the game was something I liked but felt like it should have been written by a woman but I suppose a gay man would suffice too.I genuinely don't care if fags marry but I will never understand trannies.
>>345073810
it's just the writing style combinated with a teeny little bit of feeling sleepy
>>345073742
You seem to be of the mindset that /v/ is one person. That would be wrong.
I was there for the DA2 threads and ME3 threads and it was indeed because the gay characters were shoehorned in to appease people who didn't even play games and the fact that they were one dimensional LOLDICKS fags didn't help.
Even gay people on /v/ hated those games. I didn't even bother with DA3 because of what they did with 2.
>>345073473
You don't need to romance with papyrus. If you never flirted with him, the game moves on. It doesn't even affect the route, since you can still get the good end.
>>345073885
Toby probaly did it on purpose, the game isn't truly honest about anything as it's just manipulating the player to feel certain things and that's it, he nailed that part well, however the rest when it comes to writing an story came much later.
I personally don't care for homos myself anyway, as long as they don't feel like shoving themselves into say, children or media using it as an escapegoat then fuck them, trannies are even worse because they fucked themselves up in the first place
>>345073473
Papyrus' date is optional you faggot.
Clearly you are a closet faggot because you would only know this if you actually tried to fuck a male skeleton.
>>345074080
You have to date Papyrus to get his phone number so he can phone you and start the Undyne part
>>345074176
How can a skeleton be male? There's no sex organs or dick bone.
>>345074342
Female and male skeletons are shaped differently, it isn't the same thing.
Which makes those ads with people kissing in front of an X-ray all the more fucking retarded
>>345074053
You poll for a general consensus c'mon don't be this way.
All the "anti-fag propaganda" I mentioned, most people should know, is only done by a few shitposters. It doesn't really represent a true consensus, or at least one based on experience.
>>345074189
If you don't flirt you just hang out.
He gives you his number either way.
>>345059890
Nothing bad, really. I bought it around when it came out and at the time it was one of the better games I had played in the last few months, and I expected it to be just some stupid meme thing. Most of the humor didn't really hit the mark for me but I still legitimately laughed in a few parts. Great music. I liked that all of the enemies had different, unique attack patterns. I don't really go to tumblr, or reddit, or youtube, so I have not been exposed to the fan base, which sounds like a good thing. For the price, I would recommend it to anyone RPGs or at least understands RPG tropes.
>>345074716
Oh yeah, as if anyone would play this game instinctively sparing anyone and knowing what to do other than trying anything available on the Act menu
I was just sparing people because people told me that the Neutral and Genocidal endings are gay
>>345074638
Just because the zeitgeist may appear to be shifting doesn't mean that individuals can't hold onto their beliefs. Many people never will accept gays so I don't think it's a minority who dislike them at all. I think the media is trying to make it seem that everyone is okay with it the world over when many aren't and just don't speak up due to today's overly politically correct culture in the west.
Personally, my religion forbids such practices but I also take each person I see in real life on a case by case basis and most gay people I meet are nice. I am a bit of a rarity in that I try not to prejudge based on how I was raised, but most religious folks do not do that.
>>345059890
No replay value. It's downright boring outside of one or two boss fights once you know the enemy attack patterns.
>>345074904
And herein lies the actual biggest problem with the fanbase.
Most people played pacifist only because the Internet either told them to, or bitched at them until they restarted if they were doing a let's play and killed anyone.
>>345074928
I don't have an incredibly enthusiastic opinion of homosexuals either, but this sort of topic on the media depiction of them that we're walking into is a bit beyond the scope of board and this discussion honestly.
Personally, I wasn't very put off by the gay couple in this game because they're very secondary aspects of these main characters and the relationship is excruciatingly tame.
>>345076000
The game is not designed to instictively act upon sparing people, it tells you can do it but it doesn't act like it matters up until you're more than halfway through the game and realized you might wanna give the sparing thing a shot, with that segwaying into just sparing everyone you find, period.
And the game mocks you for not sparing people and trying to reset the game so you don't fuck up, like if I was Jesus the first thing that comes to mind is to spare everyone? Even if you do play the game blindly, you're bound to kill a couple of things and get shit on until you realize that you can just spare everyone because it's faster and more intuitive than that Mario RPG rhythm bullshit with the Attack
>>345076447
>it tells you can do it but it doesn't act like it matters up until you're more than halfway through the game
You mean Undyne screaming bloody murder was the first time some people got the hint.
I reset before Snowdin, Flowey lays it out in front of you if you fuck up. Even sparing Toriel yet killing other monsters gives a chastising dialogue IIRC.
