Which one was worse?
Also, Silent Hill thread
Homecoming at least, had some neat monster designs
>>345054510
I'd say Homecoming. Aside from the great combat and enemy designs, it's pretty lame.
Downpour would've been fantastic if not for the bland enemy designs, terrible frame rate, and trying to explain Silent Hill. Still, the story is miles ahead of Homecoming's ripoff of 2.
>>345055316
Yeah. All of downpour's enemies were generic humanoids
>>345055487
>trying to explain Silent Hill
What do you mean by this?
>>345055487
Not to mention the lack of Akira Yamaoka in the sound and music design really showed
>>345055316
It had some good music as well. I didn't hate Downpour's OST as much as I thought I would but it was pretty forgettable.
>tfw shattered memories was the best non-team silent silent hill
Will agree that homecoming had some good enemy designs though. Downpour I remember enjoying some parts of but I never finished it.
3 is my favorite followed closely by 2. I didn't think 2 was as scary as 3 until the later parts in 2.
>>345055610
The radio DJ begins to explain to Murphy the "rules" of Silent Hill.
>>345055971
>shattered memories was the best non-team silent silent hill
This. Such an underestimated piece of vidya.
>>345054510
Downpour had a pretty nice looking SilentHill to wander around in a bit and had the decency to not be Homecoming.
I wish I could say it had more redeeming qualities.
>>345055316
The final boss design legitimately scared me.
>>345055971
SM wasn't perfect by any stretch but the atmosphere really nailed total isolation when you were wandering around the town. I actually thought the frozen otherword and the chase/hide sequences were some of the weakest parts.
>>345054510
Homecoming almost managed to be decent, if they had created and followed their own vision instead of trying to rip off SH2 and adding movie shit.
Downpour doesn't even feel like Silent Hill. They clearly used the Silent Hill name just to guarantee it would sell well enough.
Should I give Downpour a chance?
I love the first 4 SHs and would hate to stain those sweet memories with a shitty game
I played both at least twice. Got all endings in Homecoming.
Pros about each?
Homecoming
>Monster design
>Physics engine
>Sound design
>Jacking off to the nurses' big ass titties
Downpour
>Worldbuilding was fantastic
>A lot of effort was put into models and textures to make every building seem full and unique
>Easter eggs
>A couple of good side quests in the sea of shit
>Weather effects
>>345056632
Downpour felt enough like SH to me. Just enough.
They could've done without the mailman and the DJ.
>>345056552
Yeah. I would have liked it if the frozen nightmare world was a scarier and if there was more enemy variety but I think it nailed the Jacob's Ladder style that Silent Hill was based off of from the beginning.
>>345054510
homecoming is definitely the worst i've played (i still completed it) besides shattered memories or whatever the stupid one where all you did was run around and investigate. i actually really want to play downpour since it's the last silent hill game that's going to be made.
Homecoming. Outside of like, two designs and that dissolve tech it had nothing at all. Which is not to say that Downpour wasn't a shit sandwich, it just hadn't also been pissed on.
>>345056841
Addendum: Downpour had a pretty good prequel comic
>>345056779
I don't have experience with the other versions, but the PS3 one has an absolutely terrible frame rate at times. Other than that, you just have to deal with dull enemy designs.
Overall, it's not a bad game.
REMINDER
3≥2>1>SM>4Origins=Homecoming>Downpour>BoM
>>345056779
Probably not, if the memory is that dear to you. There are a couple of interesting ideas in the game, but it also shits the bed pretty thoroughly. You won't miss anything by not playing it.
>>345056841
Downpour had a fantastic final boss and ending(s), imo.
>>345056962
>all you did was run around and investigate
So, every team silent game, sans bosses?
>>345056962
>the last silent hill game that's going to be made
We don't know that. Silent Hills was cancelled and konami's focusing on pachinko, but there's nothing stopping them from releasing another Tomm Hulett shovelware adventure in the future. He would definitely come back from WayForward to make it, too, since he's unironically the biggest Silent Hill fan.
>>345057109
Shit, meant 4>Origins
>>345057109
Everyone who does these rankings should kill themselves.
Games stopped feeling anything like Silent Hill once they were shipped West, with the possible exception of some moments in Shattered Memories. The first 4 games had their differences, but they at least had the same general unique feeling about them. Even the shitfest that was 4 didn't seem as divorced from the originals despite that rumor about it being a different series at first.
Silent Hills would have been more of that, a completely different horror IP under Silent Hill's name to rake in cash.
>>345057339
If you have a problem with my list in particular, I'm all for discussing it. If you just don't like lists,___________fuck you__
>>345057109
I liked 1 a little bit more than 2 but other than that I completely agree
Shattered memories is missing though
>>345057017
Addendum again: Downpour had a very innovative shower feature too, very outside-the-box.
It also was the subject of the peak of TBFP.
>>345057339
This. It's not even that they're always bad. It's that you fucks try to force your opinions on everyone.
>>345054510
>>345054510
What should I dump? The pitch document for Silent Hill Cold Heart (what eventually became Shattered Memories) or like an issue or two of Silent Hill Past Life?
>>345057619
Cold Heart
>>345057583
Here is said TBFP I'm really bad at posting tonight.
Point is, Downpour's better than Homecoming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ofoIeb8wI
>>345057558
Look again senpai
>>345057583
>TBFP
You're not even wrong. That, Homecoming, SH2, the David Cage games and IHNMAIMS were all really comfy; I really enjoy Pat's amateur psychoanalysis of characters and themes. Haven't watched their channel in about 2 years though, or any other LP shit for that matter.
![89a5492c86157b529021d987a3473c10[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/X78Fiyo.jpg "89a5492c86157b529021d987a3473c10[1].jpg")
people seems to forget this steaming pile of shit exists
Has anyone actually played this?
>>345057619
Dump some Past Life, let's get some Hellrider up in this bitch
>>345057619
Cold Heart
>>345057846
>>345057834
If you forget it has the SH name attached to it, is it atleast a serviceable Diablo/Torchlight clone?
Objectively, most likely Homecoming. The amount of bugs, game breaking glitches, terrible game mechanics, and plot holes is really impressive.
Personally though, Downpour is worse to me. I'm the type of person who is more upset by games having some promise then completely failing than games where it was a failure from start to finish. Downpour had some promise, it had some good ideas and neat story ideas. But then it's absolutely ruined by terrible combat (even for Silent Hill), awful gameplay, some of the worst texture pop-in I've ever seen, bafflingly stupid and inconsistent characters, a story that is a complete mess, hilariously bad scenes (the one where you meet the radio host actually made me laugh outright), and some of the worst monster designs in the series. While Homecoming is definitely the worse of the two games, at least it had some decent monster designs and gameplay that either worked or could be manipulated so nothing was a threat. Downpour had some of the most boring monster designs I've ever seen in the series (dirty woman with sharp nails, ugly man with leather binds, pale tall creature, ghost dolls) and the combat was infuriating with how limp melee felt and how you constantly had to pick up useless weapons because they could break. Downpour had some good parts which makes me more upset by it being a total mess by the end. Homecoming was terrible all around which meant I never expected anything more. In that way when I'd see a neat monster design, hear a decent song, or find a new weapon I could at least appreciate that much.
>>345057834
Good, let them.
>>345057714
>>345057619
>>345057981
1/8 so Cold Heart wasn't going to be a reimagining or anything. Most likely set in the same universe as all the others. Though, more interestingly than that I think is going back to another young woman as the protag, Jessica Chambers.
> Which one was worse?
Whichever one didn't give us the infamous E3 conference.
>>345058216
2/8
The initial plan was for something possibly much more complex gameplay wise than what we got, in particular there were ideas for a lot of survival game elements.
Is Fatal Frame/Project Zero the only long running survival horror franchise that hasn't either: faded into obscurity, changed genres, or become a shell of its self?
Clock Tower, Alone in The Dark, Silent Hill, RE,Dino Crisis
All of 'em fucked
>>345058816
Fatal Frame hasn't been quite what it used to be since the Nips started hoarding it for themselves, and all anyone can talk about regarding the new game is the bonus outfits. Most of the interest in it in recent years has been pretty under the radar.
It's not in anywhere near as bad of shape as Silent Hill though.
>>345058816
Well FF was censored for western release so in a way it's a shell
>>345058816
Sorry, captcha and connection problems.
No clue how they would have done the news and weather integration stuff.
Still, you can see a lot of what did make it into the final game.
>>345058816
NightCry wasn't terrible, and that's more than I can say about most of those other franchises.
>>345059459
4/8
And, yes, combat was originally intended.
>>345059208
>Well FF was censored for western release
Who the fuck cares? it's a survival horror game, not a hentai VN
>>345059608
5/8
A big problem is that we can't tell how good the game would have been off of this. In reality, Shattered Memories could have been a better game than something sticking more closely to this original vision.
>>345059208
Unfortunate, sure, but the core of the game was unaffected. Worst case, some people lost some context for a certain photo shoot scene.
nothing like what infogrames/""""""ATARI""""""" has done to AiTD
>>345059780
6/8
Still, I find it interesting to look at as a what could have been and maybe spreading it around might give ideas to potential game devs out there.
>>345060006
We also don't have a clue how much of this was Barlow's ideas.
But I will say that although I love Shattered Memories, the concept of this game really appeals to me more than SM's did.
>>345057830
if you dont play the souls series but are still interested in them, their bloodborne and DS3 series was great.
if you did play them, i heard it can be frustrating to watch lol
>>345059608
>intensity of the environment and number of enemy spawns are based on how you play the character
Did SM do shit like this or was it just the textures that changed based on how you played Harry?
>>345060423
>if you did play them, i heard it can be frustrating to watch lol
Pat misses shit half of the time because he doesn't use a torch and his TV is "perfectly calibrated" i.e. so dark for him he walks right by chests, doors, and stairs
>>345058816
Have you played Fatal Frame V? It certainly plays like a shell of it's former self. In a way, I think it maybe has gone on too long. I just wish some of the old school style indie survival horror games were good.
Really looking forward to seeing how Power Drill Massacre, Forgotten Memories, and Banned Memories all turn out. I really think the answer is to look forward instead of back. The era has past.
>>345060219
And so ends "A frozen glimpse into the dark reaches of your mind."
>>345060862
I have a theory that when you have to actually perform/play for people while also having to commentate and especially when you're just messing around with a friend while doing this, that it all makes your actual skill in playing a game down down to the drain to like.. 10%. The last thing you're actually focusing on is the game.
