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>there are people who hate the game for the sole reason snake and ace weren't mentioned more.I'm still salty about it
First for Dio
>>345038636
>Snake
>mentioned
>No Kyle
>No ?
>No Snake
>No Ace
>No Seven
>No Clover and Alicethankfully
>No Quark
>>345038636
I don't hate the game but I am disappointed by the various changes from VLR and dropped plot points and the overall "conclusion" of the series.
>>345038758
But he has to bring them back to get the shifters. And no matter what you say, he explained that how he did it was the only way to create him. Stop trying to argue with canon
>>345038003
All the (3) articles I've read about it mention external/environmental stimuli. I don't see how old Sigma plays an important role in that.
Is there anything I'm missing or is it:
>but only old Sigma can father Delta because reasons
Bootstrap paradoxes can suck a dick in a world where ayylien fax machine are a thing.
>>345038636
There will be a Zero Escape 4 anyway.
>>345039142
how pointless would that be
in all the infinite timelines of course there is one where everything turns out great
the whole thing is inconsequential
>>345039340
Well you didn't let me finish.
It's going to be an iOS game where you literally just play the decision game at the end of ZTD. You either shoot Sigma's kid or walk away.
>>345038916
>No Kyle
Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS A HUGE DROPPED POINT.
>No ?
? is literally the player, and always has been. The true end in VLR was just his cheeky way of saying "go play the next game". "?" was and is the literal player.
>No Snake
Really, really weird. Then again, he's done a ton of red herrings throughout the series, so this just seems like his longest running one.
>No Ace
He's mentioned. He's still in jail.
>No Seven
He's mentioned. Junpei's worked with him and he's still fighting FTS.
>No Clover.Mentioned.
>No Alice
Thank god
>No Quark
Thank GOD.
So yeah, the only dropped point we see here is Kyle. Potentially Snake, but that really just seems like a red herring that may not even have been intentional.
Mind you, dropping Kyle was fucked up.
So is the true ending of the game literally the cliffhanger where carlos points the gun at delta?
Why the fuck was Kyle not mentioned at all in the game?
>>345039446
>>345039446
BLICK WINKEL IS THE PLAYER.
AKANE IS SAYING THAT THE LITERAL PLAYER NEEDS TO PLAY THE THIRD GAME OR ELSE THE TIMELINE WON'T CHANGE
THIS IS NOT A DIFFICULT CONCEPT
>>345039472
Snake was never a red herring. He was explained in 999. What needed further elaboration? I gotta agree though. Even if we take another time as a cheeky wink, it still feels cheap not to include Kyle or ?
>>345039678
Yeah, that's the end. Because at that point Delta (you) is letting them make their own decisions, not mindhacking them like had been happening hroughout the game. The characters are free from your influence.
>>345038916
That's a good thing. Game would have ended up being even more of a clusterfuck than it already is.
>>345039472
meh whatever, I am getting tired of repeating myself and I don't feel like copypasting what I said in the previous threads so whatever
the game is perfect and this is how the series should have always ended and clearly VLR was a mistake
>>345039340
999 was interesting because those alt futures never happened, they were just possibilities Akane was seeing through her mind
VLR was interesting because it expanded on the concept of timelines and being able to jump between them, but it still kept it tame and didn't go overboard because the point of the game was to jump back to the past to create a good timeline, because Sigma was in a loop.
ZTD just went full bullshit with infinite timelines and people able to jump at will and cheat death. It made everything lose any impact and the final result was unsatisfying as fuck.
>>345039852
>sperging at a random post with no text
Calm down nerd
>threads are finally dying down
Holy shit... it's all over...
Uchikoshi you fucker how could you do this. Pretty sure no one feels satisfied with how this ended.
>>345039939
Pretty much this, can i also point out that seeing the global timeline and how it branches just basically tells you which is good end and bad end.
They also pulled the same shit with, "Oh no, because of the camera you didn't notice this!"
Drawfags onegai
>>345040127I do. But I realise even though it's probably in my top three game series, I always had different expectations to all the other fans on here
>>345040014
>don't press the puzzle button
>don't push the decontamination button, it's clearly suspect (try to push it anyway when you learn what it does)
>push the blue button that says "Do Not Press This Button"
seriously, what is it with Sigma and being wrong about buttons?
So where does Phi's brooch come from in the first place?
Obviously Diana gives it to her when she transports her as a baby, but where did the brooch actually originate from?
tell me how you interpreted remember11again
>>345040638
(You) should understand a bootstrap paradox by now
>>345039472
I know ? is the player, but the player doesn't interact with the world in any way. VLR makes out like the player is the key to avoiding disaster in ZTD.
>>345039340
Here is how the game should have gone:
>Only Shifters can create new timelines, by going back and making another decision
>Espers can only view other timelines that were created by Shifters
>The game ends with the removal of the morphogenetic fields, and any supernatural abilities
The fact that Esper/Shitters/Mindfucks still exist at the end of the game make me mad. It means that everything is inconsequential.
>I am sorry Sigma I don't know anything about the future, I can only see some things. But I still knew I had to kidnap Alice and Clover and put them on ice plus all the other things required for VLR that happened before ZTD.
>4 months later
>By the way in 45 years I am going to attack you with a knife and make you jump, apparently now I know everything about the future that's why I am shipping you to Rhizome-9 with those other 3. Also I went to the FtS meeting earlier, now let's watch the antimatter reactors explode and fuck up the planet.
>>345040867
So that's literally the explanation?
Fuck this, ZTD's ending is one of the greatest disappointments I've ever experienced.
>>345039472
What, where was Clover mentioned
>>345041006
all that is actually moot compared to alien god time traveling cloning machine you can use every 10 months
even the 10 month limit is stupid, can't you just transport to seconds before the previous transport and do it infinitely?
Which Pokemon Go teams would ZTD characters join?
Ending aside, did you overall enjoy the game?
>>345041043
It's not like this is anything new. This is literally the explanation for why Akane managed to live through the first Nonary game.
>>345041006
>VLR makes out like the player is the key to avoiding disaster in ZTD.
You're reading way too into it. ? was never going to be any more significant and was more of a little fan service bit for people who like 4th wall breaking.
I'm more confused by his question about if Kyle was sent to his body. Akane says she supposes they could put it that way, but what does that even mean?
>>345041257
Akane doesn't get infinitely old.
>>345041006
That is not how the game should've gone. That sounds awful. Literally the opposite of what the games were walking towards.That's the use of preemptive esper abilities instead of reactively
>>345040659
YAMEROOOO
I haven't played R11, and I still wanna visit ZE threads. Don't muck it up with spoilers. I know you'llhide the spoilers but still
>>345041239
I enjoyed the game strictly while I was playing it. The disappointment came when I realized I had just hit the true ending and that was it.
>>345041239
Yes. Still a pretty good game overall, even with its ending.
>>345041239
The first 80% of the game was literally 10/10, and the music was better than the other two.
The twist and ending was disappointing.
>>345041392
>You're reading way too into it.
No I'm not, literally the final lines are (directly addressed to the player):
>Only you can change history
>Only you can save the world
>>345041480
Akane only lives because Akane saved herself, who could only save herself because Akane saved herself who could only save herself because Akane saved herself who could only save herself because Akane saved herself who could only save herself because Akane saved herself who could only save herself because Akane saved herself who could only save herself because Akane saved herself. It isn't a physical object, but it's a textbook bootstrap paradox
>>345041730
Yeah and you did that by completing ZTD. Grats.
>>345041550
it's not like many people have played it in the first place
people who have played zero escape are a small subset of people who play games at all, and people who have played infinity are a subset of that subset
>the game is perfect reeeeee!! best in the series!!!
>>345041735
Has nothing to do with Phi's brooch being infinitely old and not turning into scrap.
>>345041239
Kind of. The early parts of the game were a drag since it never seemed to be going anywhere and they kept on dropping a bunch of drama and deaths way too early thanks to the fragment system. Then the final confrontation never really tied things together and I genuinely wasn't sure if I got the true ending. I liked Sean. And Carlos. Some parts were entertaining but it really is a shame it was so short. I think if it had been twice as long and actually used that time to explore the things it introduced then it would have been more cohesive.
>>345041730
Yes.
You, the player, played ZTD and changed history.
If you hadn't, history would have repeated and ended up at VLR in ad infinitum.
Uchi already confirmed on Twitter that anyone looking at VLR's "Another End" for more information about "?" is looking too much into it - he said it was just a fun little thing and he likes breaking the 4th wall.
>>345041972
Does anybody think it's the best game in the series? Lets find out. http://www.strawpoll.me/10749209
>>345042076
Still a bootstrap paradox
>>345041972
Who the hell says that?
>>345042076
I don't know man, it's a piece of metal, maybe she just gets it repaired at some point.
You'd think the more confusing issue would be "where did this object come from in the first place" but whatever.
>>345042269
That is the most retarded excuse.
It's like saying I changed Marty McFly's destiny because I watched Back to the Future 2
>>345041239
i liked everything pretty much up untilall the stuff with delta started happening, he seems really poorly written and makes no sense when compared with the information we had on brother beforehand, phi being brother's sister also adds nothing to the story as well, i felt like that was kinda forcedoverall i enjoyed the game but was kinda disappointed, a lot of things could have been done much better
>>345042269
so I guess the whole Kyle thing was there for fun too
It was just a prank, like all the other things
>>345042572
Yeah. I hated how Phi ended up being completely inconsequential. I thought she'd be helping Zero when the twin reveal came.
>>345042269
>i-it wasn't meant to be taken seriously!
>>345041730
>only the player can change history
>only the player can save the world
this is literally what happens during ZTD.
"?" isn't an "in-universe" character. It's the player, with preset lines of dialogue, being allowed to interact with in-universe characters using those lines of dialogue.
When "?" got sent back to the Mars site, Uchi was telling us to go play ZTD. Who's body did we get sent back to?
We got sent back to the protagonist's body. Or Q's, Carlos's, and Diane's, during whatever fragment we were playing, since those are the perspectives we were playing the games from.
If you really, really, really want an in-universe explanation, then we were possessing the main characters in the same way that Akane possessed Junpei in 999, only we're 4th dimensional beings.
http://virtueslastreward.com/qahome/
>Q39
>when you can't say that you didn't like the Delta reveal because it doesn't really add anything to the overall plot without people spamming the "it was foreshadowed therefere it's good"
So this guy we don't know and with who we, the players, had 0 actual interactions is Zero and the mastermind behind everything. Ok.
>>345041012
You do understand that's 4 months of Sigma telling her EVERYTHING that's going to happen in the next 40 years, right?
Don't blame the game for your stupidity.
>>345042784
Yeah no fuck you dude that's not howblick winkelworks.
If anything, ? should have been Maria floating around and seeing fragments.
>>345042784
We got sent back to Delta's body if were going with that. We see the world through his glasses, and he mindhacks the team leaders during the decisions
>>345042605
I have NO idea what happened with Kyle.
That seems like a dropped plot point, plain and simple. And I honestly think the games suffers for it.
But "?" was just the player, and was being told to go and play the third game.
>>345042708
he says exactly that on twitter when asked about it.
>>345042673
yeah or at least something in that vain, she said she was some sort of x-factor and ended up being not important in the slightest
>>345042883
Maybe you should actually play the game before shitposting
>>345042936
In that sense...
Yeah, that's exactly it.
My limited watch edition copy finally arrived yesterday sans watch.
Kind of pissed me off. I had to get another copy to avoid spoilers and my watch is still nowhere to be found. Any news on that?
>>345042890
That's how blick winkel works in this game.
Did you not read his answer to Q39?
>>345043045
IT's almost like...that's what the twist was meant to mean
>>345043028
The phi fags that shill her in these threads only make it worse
>>345042936
Akane didn't possess Junpei, she watched him.
The player didn't make any decisions, we watched them being made. Any "forced" decision, i.e. the showers, was made by Delta.
The player isn't Kyle either, so Q39 doesn't answer shit.
>>345042572
I hated how they handled Left.
>lol he wasn't actually blood related to me
Fucking bullshit. I hate how he doesn't even seems to care about him since he barely mentions him but somehow he's batshit crazy about Sean. He deserved better.
>>345043068
I have it. Life is simply unfair, anon.
Give up being a watch ownah.
>>345043154
That's pretty much what I took away from it.
I still have no idea why the Kyle plot point got dropped though, or where on EARTH it was going to lead.
>>345043292
Addressed to*
>>345042784
>>345043154
i liked phi a lot in VLR and was really looking forward to how she would be important in the grand scheme of things but ultimately she's just kinda there, i still like her character just wish they would done something with her.
>>345043332
i was so fucking mad when brother was like, "yeah i have a brother but we're not even related." literally just threw left out the window, was so dumb
>>345043292
Akane possessed Junpei.
Anything on the bottom screen was Akane's thoughts and decisions, anything on the top screen was Junpei's. He says this in his 999 answers.
Now, on which screen did all the decisions occur and puzzles get solved?
>>345043292
I don't agree it's the same way. But it's clear that we are playing as delta. Also, it would be diferrent because Akane wasn't mindhacking. And that's like saying the player didn't play as Sigma. It's the exact same sorta situation, just with a different ability being used (shifting versus mindhacking). We play as delta like you play as Master Chief in Halo, or as Junpei in 999. It's the same thing. He's the avatar, but also a character in his own right.And yeah, Q39 doesn't answer shit.
>>345043547
Are we disagreeing on what the word "possessed" actually means?
Akane didn't control Junpei at any point.
>>345043547
In fact, Junpei makes a point to say that he's going to solve the Sudoku puzzle by himself during the finale, because he realized that Akane had been solving them for him the whole damn time.
Hence the screen getting flipped.
>>345043547
She just relayed the information to top screen Junpei. She can't MINDHACK
>>345043531
yeah fuck that seriously. Kyle being dropped and the whole deal with Brother + Left being almost ignored were easily the things that I disliked the most
>>345042883
>this is what retards actually believe
>>345043332
He clearly still cared about him. Sean prolly reminded him of Left, and he went through with that cloning stuff. But Left isn't really important to the plot of the game and it's been over 100 years, so why go on about him? I wish he was important though, I'd play a ZE4 if it were in the early 1900s.
I think Kyle just died almost immediately when he tried to infiltrate the base.
Alternatively, he went in and participated in ~another~ game and ended up dying.
>>345043938
>I wish he was important though
yeah that's the point. I was hoping he would be relevant but nope, he was barely mentioned at all. I'm not saying it's a flaw per se but it's a thing I really didn't like about ZTD
>>345043737
>>345043657
999 Answers
Q13:
"Now, in regard to your question about the "last puzzle being upside down"... My thinking was that the top screen was the future and the bottom screen was the past. So if you solved the puzzle on the top screen, then that means that Junpei single-handedly solved the puzzle in the future. That's what I was trying to portray."
She made the decisions throughout the game on the bottom screen, which all occurred in the past, as Uchi just said.
>>345043815
i waited for kyle the entire fucking game, i kept theorizing that he was sean or something like that, was super disappointed he never showed up
>>345043953
Yeah. I like to imagine Akane thought it was essential, but he literally just got sent back to Gab and died.
>>345044083
No. It means he had Akane's help. Meaning that the information was relayed. She didn't force him to make any decisions. She doesn't have that power. That's confirmed
>>345042876
Most of the foreshadowing is so minuscule and only even noticeable when you go looking for it retroactively as well, it's not likeSigma being Zerowhere the hints are given throughout the game and everything you've actually learned up to that point clicks together perfectly when it happens.
>we need you and Phi to infiltrate the mars experiment because we don't know what happens there
>by the way I was there too
>>345044264
Yeah. I think it was a decent twist, but the foreshadowing was to subtle so that it was never a question of where Zero was. It wasn't a issue raised. That, for me, meant that the reveal didn't click when it should've
>>345043635
What, no, the screen flips because you are for the first time actually "playing" as Junpei. Akane wasn't doing shit.
>>345044083
The bottom screen is Akane solving the puzzles (we solve Akane's puzzles). During this time, Junpei is just doing his shit and solving them by himself. He only gets help from Akane to open the coffin.
The screen rotating is the only time we play as Junpei.
>>345043635
I get what you're saying. Still, it's not as if the player really does anything.
Absolutely massive Ever17 spoilers:I was expecting the player to actually be the reason the game succeeds. In Ever17, the characters are aware of the presence of the player, and the game is designed so that you, as the player, saves Coco.
>>345044316
that didn't make any fucking sense. I kept wondering, why is Akane keeping her memories of what happens in the Mars Test Site? Aren't her and Sigma supposed to be completely oblivious as to what happened in there?
Well, looks like snails can't stop a truck.
Time to shift and stop the terrorists.
>>345044097
If we spam Uchi on twitter/Facebook will he answer the where's kyle question?
>>345044316
Akane wasn't there when the radical 6 got leaked out. She actually died in that timeline (I THINK from the vote at 13:30), and returned via the transporter with junpei only to find that shit is fucked up.
>>345044508
Yeah. The player doesn't do anything. But that's what it is supposed to be. I understand why people thought it would be an Ever17 style twist, but I never thought Uchi would just rehash that. In a way, it was lose/lose for him
>rehash it
lol no original ideas
>don't rehash it
wheres blick winkel
He wrote himself into a corner on that one
>>345044676
We need to ask Uchi how big Delta's dick is
>>345044792
Yeah. She didn't see how it happened.
>>345043953
you had one job kyle. One fucking job
>>345044646
It happened something like 20 kms away from where I live. Pretty spooky.
>>345044817
He shouldn't have written the Another Time end. Everything in that ending was just fucking ignored in ZTD.
>>345045047
Yeah. Or made it clear that it was non-canon immediately
>>345044969
What happened?
>>345043953
Requesting a fucking picture of Kyle scratching his head in front of Hope's Peak Academy
>>345044676
i mean he might, just might not be a good answer
>>345045159
Shit happened in Nice, a truck started running over people on the seafront during a celebration. More than sixty died and there were at least a hundred injured as far as I know
>>345044792
Yeah, it was the timeline where C team gets voted off. Akane and Junpei arrive after everything goes down and have to get second hand knowledge from D team as the rescue team arrives apparently.
>>345044969
I'm glad you are safe, anon. Sorry for the jokes.
It's just too silly and surreal that someone could do that.
>>345045209
Sweet holy kek. This may be the best meme yet
>>345044792
she still had some useful information and details about what was happening in there from her timeline plus why can't she simply access the memories of the Akane from that timeline?
in VLR no one knows anything about what happens in there other than Rad-6 got out of there somehow
>>345045334
Well, that isn't what you expect to get when you google nice truck
>>345044449
>>345044264
They talked about him many times.
They looked at the camera and talked to you/him many times.
They have extra shots fired or thuds -every- time Q's team goes to sleep/gets shot up.
After finding out about Sean, you wonder why there were 3 piles of flesh after the shower.
Hell, EVERY time you see Sean, -no one- knows who he is. They all go "Does anyone know this kid?" -every- time they see him. In the coin flip they do that. In the escape right away and no one knows where they are they do that. In the VLR ending they do that.
The shadow thing was not too noticeable. The library showing Sean on the grid but he is never shown in the status.
The X words.
He -actually- screams during the acid shower.
"Who's that fourth guy's voice"?
Come on...
>>345045434
>>345045209
Good meme.
>>345045209
I have the editing skills of a platypus otherwise I would do it myself.
>>345045419
don't worry nigger, nothing wrong with joking around. I just hope there weren't any people I knew here.
>>345042883
if that was the case wouldn't they have more information about the events of ZTD? with Sigma at least knowning the events that caused him to lose his arms and eye?
>>345045604
But you're not given any reason to suspect a 4th person exists. That's why it seems confusing. With VLR you always have the nagging suspicion that one of you may be Zero so the click fits perfect. Don't get me wrong, I liked the twist, it just didn't hit in the same way that it did.
Who /snail lamp/ here?
>>345045047
Only thingy besides the Kyle thing in that end that hasn't been resolved is Alice and Clover returning to the past. That's prolly the transporter though, so we can take solace in assuming that the two of them fucking strangled Akane after learning they'll still be stuck there.
Reminder the terrorist is the Ultimate Despair, they were inside Hope Peak's that's why Delta couldn't maindo hakku
>>345045604
It's still a pointless twist because is a character that we never had any interactions with.
might as well been the janitor
in 999 and VLR the twist had some weight to it
So wait a second, the twist is thatyou are zero AGAIN? He's done this literally every time.
Jesus Christ, he just can NOT let this one go.
>>345045940
Yeah. That's why it doesn't click. For all the foreshadowing, it isn't hinted at at all, if that makes any sense.
>>345045604
>No 4th ID system in FBR room
>No wheelchair/corpse after explosion
>No discussion bringing up whether or not the black eye'd, purple IRIS old man who has no reason to be in a test facility is suspicious
Even if you thought there was a 4th person, there is way more information contradicting it.
>>345045841
do i look like i want to kill 8 billion people?
>>345045604
>extra thuds
>guy is in a wheelchair
Bravo Uchi.
>>345046052
I agree, but he had a reason to be there. They were testing to see how the mars situation would deal with a disabled person
>not a single mention of Diana actually living on the moon before ZTD
Was it really that bad for Carlos to wait 10 months to save Junpei and Akane? If he interrupted the game it would have created an entirely different timeline altogether anyway and Akane would have never gotten out to start doing her keikaku timelord bullshit.
>>345046597
>kyle
>>345046886
?
kyle was made like 20 years after she died
>>345046597
My memory of VLR is pretty hazy. Before ZTD all I knew going in was that Sigma fell in love with this chick and that he built a robo-diana to replace the hole in his heart when she died.
Kyle was always alive>>345046886
What bothers me the most about Delta is how the fuck he did the coin flip without being in the cell with the rest of Q-team.
WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THE SPAM FILTER
>>345047682
What did you try to post?
>>345047736
A reply explaining how the timeline worked and that Sigma did have the opportunity to tell Akane about the next forty years.
>>345047682
its not just you im raging right now.
>>345047550
he was not in the cells. Carlos realized something was up and figured out who Zero was before being drugged
>>345047682
trouble
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I was convinced thatSean was actually Maria under the helmet until the reveal. Why even mention her otherwise? Not like it did a lot to flesh out Carlos.
>>345047682
I know right. Shit is wack
why did no one notice the other 2 pathways in the lounge leading toother wards? why were they never examined during a groups free time in the lounge?
it seems too simple if carlos had just gone down a hallway he wouldve noticedhe was in the healing room in ward D.
---PSA IF THIS MESSAGE GOES THROUGH IT MEANS DONT USE COMMAS OR APOSTROPHES---
>>345047939
What was even the point of Reverie syndrome?
>>345047939
>>345048043
I believe there was a dropped plot line with thewhole fragment system being Maria experiencing parts of the story because of Reverie Syndrome.
>>345048030
The digital wall magic probably hid it.
>>345048075
I made a new thread. No spam.
>>345046839
wasn t creating a split where radical 6 is not released the entire point of the game anyway?
which is also why I think they introduced the terrorist because creating such branch would be extremely easy so they had to have a reason to why doing it would be bad
>>345047550
Sean: Could one of us participants be zero?
Actually_Smart_person_that_could_have_been_on_Q_team: Maybe we should suspect the person who wasnt in the coin flip?
>>345048030
>---PSA IF THIS MESSAGE GOES THROUGH IT MEANS DONT USE COMMAS OR APOSTROPHES---
FUCKING HELL JAPANMOOT!!
>>345048164
But why?
>>345048175
Didnt they lose their memory of the coin flip?
>>345048096
Your belief is shit but whatever. It is delta we are playing as. not Maria
>>345048346
Re-read it you dweeb
>>345048346
Thats why I said dropped
I think Delta would have worked better for me if we had seen more of how he was in Reality fragment: an actual character and not this 2complex4u mind hack meme. Hes this weirdo old guy who liked some kid enough to make a fucking robot of him when he died so he could see the world through his eyes. Its one of the only moments he showed a human side and his motives seemed more palpable even if I didnt understand them. The Delta at the end was pretty much a joke just going "check this shit" and showing off dead dog before mind hacking getting shot to death.
>>345045841
You sick motherfucker.
>>345047550Pretty sure Carlos noticed when he said someting like "hey youre-" but then passed out a few seconds later and their memories got wiped.
>>345047682
Im having the same issue what the fuck.
>>345048030
testing this
>>345048175
But they do not remember the coin flip until after they know who Zero is
>>345048407
Reread it. Still is not relevant to the story at all. Literally what would that add.
Why join the game in the first place?
Is getting murdered that fun?
He cant even shift ffs.
>>345048030
I love you.
>>345045782They talk about Q often enough and don^t use it in a way meaning Sean/ The only shitty thing about all of it is what said/ I don^t find it contradicting about what he said, but they should have been more suspicious/ The only reason why it^s --okay to slip past-- is due to him pretending to be a blind/deaf/mute who can^t walk/ It^s lame but whatever/
>>345045940The only interaction you had with him is fake made up fantasy MINDHACK and the foreshadowing (rddit has like 50+ examples of it)/
>>345046052The explosion destroyed the chair, but not the robot/ This makes sense imo, but not the fucking desk next to it/ Hell, that^s not how grenades even work/ If you mean the explosion near the wall then He^s older than 120 and his wheelchair is super shitty? IDK/ Maybe he was off camera, I can^t recall the angles of view/
>>345046258;_;
I guess he could have leaned forward and fell out of the chair? I doubt he is leaning back if he^s moving around on it a lot (which the shadows make it seem to be this way)/
>>345046306He was there for mindhacc and complex motives/ I^m sure there were other reasons that I^m not caring enough to think about/ Maybe mindhacc has a short range?
>>345047550He wasn^t in the cell big huge idiot/ That^s why carlos says "oh shit I know who you are"/
>>345048241
Spam filter is bugged in this thread I guess?
>>345048346
we are playing as the quantum computer
that s why even after the Delta reveal we still see things from the cameras
>>345048509
Its not a question of what it would add you retard, you misunderstood what >>345048096 said.
>>345048525
We are playing as delta but he sees things from the quantum computer in his glasses. The computer did not mindhack anybody but delta did. That is why we see shit from the cameras. He is still viewing it through his glasses. And that is why at the end we see carlos pointing the gun (not quite) directly at him
>>345048517
Nope, the spam filter happened to me in this other thread.
I just wanted to talk about Yakuza dammit
>>345048517
>automated wheelchair
>blasted in the chest
>lean forward
Does not compute
>>345048517
I know it s foreshadowed, I am not arguing that. I am arguint tht it lacks emotional impact or anything because it s just like they introduced a new character in the last 30 minutes of the game
But if they didnt remember the coinflip during the games, how did they know there was a Zero at all?
>>345048643
But there is no evidence for it. It is a literally pointless addition that would not add anything. Sure it may have existed but I do not know why you would want it to. I believe there was a dropped plotline where Junpei and Carlos have explicit gay sex.
after years of postponing im finally jumping into the series. started 999 today. anything i should know going forward?is lotus or clover best girl
>>345048517
>there is a blind deaf guy moving around on a wheelchair while stuff happens around
>>345048924
No, there isn't anything you should know.
Get the fuck out of this thread before someone spoils a great experience for you.
>>345048924
Lotus. Fucking filter.
>>345048924
Neither. Akane is best grill
>>345048924
get the fuck out of here
and you arent done until you've seen all the endings of 999
>>345048848
Not that guy but it would have tied Maria to the narrative rather than having this completely extraneous tidbit brought up several times and amounting to nothing of importance.
>>345048924
Lotus a best.
>>345049170
Who?
>>345048924
go through whichever doors you want first time through.look up a guide for the other routes after
>>345039678
There is epilogue stuff in the file if you enter a fragment to check the file, but it looks like basically yes, the game ends just before Carlos makes that final decision.
>>345049216
It already was important. it explained the rapid emergence of SHIFTers and hinted at Carlos powers. Plus it gave him a reason to be on the base. Not everything has to be a big twist guys.
>>345049242
June.
>>345048769I used multiple examples. The thud is when they get put to sleep not blasted in the chest.
Mind you when he gets shot there is a pool of blood there too.
The grenade left smoke where he was.
Automated weak metal chair.
>>345048785Oh yeah there is little to no emotional impact in it compared to what 999/VLR had. Sorry for misunderstanding you if that was your whole argument.
>>345048810Because every time they are awake the Zero guy shows up? Later in the road they start retaining some memory too.
>>345049041No reason for him not to. His shadow makes it seem like he does this anyway.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10749209/
Re-post for the graveyard shift
Anyone want to explain the simon says-like puzzle in the biolab room that you dont have to complete to finish that room?
>>345040127
I don't think I'm satisfied so much as I am accepting.
VLR was amazing but it felt a bit like that was a fluke even at the time. I never imagined ZTD would equal or surpass it.
Still, until Carlos started save scumming and the Q twist reared its ugly head, the game was pretty great.
>>345040638
>Phi was raised by two researchers
>Phi was literally raised by a pair o' docs
>>345048924
Lotus a best and underrated, only tittymonster in the series that's not a bitch
>>345049647
it's not simon says
stop being retarded and look at the only other fucking goddamn thing in the fucking room that's the same colors as those buttons for fucks sake
it's always the goddamn piss easy biolab puzzle
>>345049849
oh, you
>>345049647
>put colored liquids under microscope
>number of cells in a group = which number slot the corresponding capsule goes in
>colors correspond to symbols on monitor depicting fish, plant, human, etc.
>match numbers to symbols and then arrange the capsules properly
ez desu senpai baka
reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU
>>345049992
Nah she's still a bitch for attempting to form an alliance. That's all she's guilty of though. She never actually gets anyone killed unlike most other girls.
>>345039678
Kyle is mentioned when Sigma dies after being stabbed by Mira.
>>345050157
Not that anon, but when I was playing I got confused and tried connecting the microscope results to the screen with the specimens. I completely overlooked that lock after I examined it once, and didn't realize until I looked up a guide.
I don't blame him that much.
>>345050265
Where the fuck did the "who eric likes to cosplay as" video go? Is it gone for good?;_;
>>345038636
I was really hoping for a blowout between akane and junpei and it never happened except sort of in the premium booklet but even then Akane kept up a front.
>>345050757
it's still there?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfmeOqq9Ffw
>>345050085
>someone using my pic
you're a cool guy anon
>>345050039
>>345050157
im talking about this
>>345050939
Okay, phew. My bookmark wasn't working.
>>345051113
The second guy you responded to literally explained that puzzle you dum
>>345051113
yes?
that's exactly what we were talking about stop being dumb
>>345051209
Am i crazy, i dont remember opening the locker here, which is what im referring to
>>345050908
Blowout between the guy who spent half hour his life chasing after a girl he barely knew and said girl?
Junpei is a dumb waifufag.
>>345046839
Anyone else think that maybethe reason Carlos, who is basically the main-main character, is an idealized real-American-hero with no faults is because it's a big thank you to the American fans who saved the series by demanding the third game so much?I'd like to hope so, if only to stroke my own ego.
>>345051113
>>345051209
Actually now that I reread his shit he didn't
Match the microscope shit to that simon says shit
>>345051209
>>345051334
Yeah I misunderstood what he was talking about but the numbers still match up the same way.
>>345051296
then you didnt get the hint and just got lucky with moving the fetus and other animals around
YOU HAVE FIFTEEN SECONDS TO TELL ME WHO KILLED MIRA
>>345051113
Match Simon Says to the Microscope Cell Count results.
Hit yellow x# of times, hit red z# of times, etc.
>>345051483
GAB
>>345051483
gab
Did ANYONE actually managed to make sense out of the robot room's file hints?
I just cut the color of wires each robot told me to less than 5 seconds before.
>>345051306
Junpei is a selfish asshole all around, even in VLR
>I'd rather vhave the planet destroyed and billions dead than the chance of not meeting QUARKU
Fuck him
>>345049647
Biolab was my first room. I actually wound up liking Q team the best but fuck that room, it's a horrible place to start and has a bunch of poorly conveyed answers.
>>345051483you did
>>345051603
I didn't fare much better picking Healing Room as my first.
>>345051564
More like bitch why are putting me and wife's son in danger for your shitty AB games.
VLR won't simply dissappear.
>K and Sonic Boom Knuckles have the same voice actor
>>345051483
I..It was the snail!
>>345051557
I didn't even realize you could do that. I just used the files and it worked out fine.
>>345051438
you are correct, that is exactly what happened
>>345051812
he is the one that decided to go, he got invited with the whole "If you want to know about Akane come here" so he knew he was going to be in troubles and brought Quark with him because he didn't trust leaving him alone on Earth
he really has no one else to blame
>Type in Delta for the laffs in the standoff, before his official reveal as the 4th Q-team member.
>He actually gets bolted in the face and sputters latin as he dies
>>345051483
Donno
>>345051603
>>345051698
I did Pantry first, I thought it was good starting point. Also helps doing it before like 5 other scenes spoil it.
>>345052056
>Put in Q
>"Please enter Q's name"
>Do the fragment where Q talks with Zero
>Try putting in Sean
>"Error"
>Put in Delta just because it's the only other new character name
>Get confused
Felt bad
>the culprit is Q!
>THAT MAKES NO SENSE! *BLAM*
>the culprit is DELTA! WHICH IS Q
>What? IMPOSSIBLE!!! *plot advances*
>>345052142
Shit like that is kinda why I didn't like the fragment system and would have just rather done normal progression
The format itself already spoils the whole "everyone is working at a different time" twist, the game wouldn't have lost much
>>345048924
Play 999.
Understand that at that point, Uchi had IDEAS about what he wanted the rest of the story to be, but wasn't sure if it would continue or which overall plot he'd use exactly. From there, if you continue on to play series, understand that 999 can essentially be seen as a prequel or a gaiden to the rest of the series. It happened, and it's somewhat important, but the exact details and even knowing of it doesn't truly matter in the grand scheme of the Zero Escape series.
You can essentially look at 999 as a standalone title.
Once you get to VLR, you have to realize that it was made with every intention of continuing it's story into the third game game. Uchi had actually planned to develop the two game's stories simultaneously, and Chunsoft even said he was good to do this. Uchi had the overall plot of the series down at this point. So while it's a full story of it's own, it's definitely supposed to be important in the grand scheme of things.
However, at some point between the release of VLR and ZTD, Uchi started working on the story with two other writers, and he was pressured to make the series more appealing to newcomers, since sales were lower than expected (in Japan). What ended up happening was that a lot of plot points from VLR were dropped, and other ones that he likely intended to have happen were changed.
Whether or not any important points were altered/dropped is a question only Uchi can (and he may) answer, and the reason for these changes could be anyone of Aksys's, the other writer's, or Uchi's fault.
So 999 is fantastic, VLR is pretty good but could be even better as a part of a whole, and ZTD is a bit of a toss up. If you like ZTD's resolution, VLR will retroactively be even better. If you don't like ZTD's resolution, VLR will still seem pretty good but will likely be soured by ZTD in some manner.
>>345052013
>i'm sure kanny won't put my life in danger again
>she xan't be this muchv of a bitch
>motherfucker
Can't blame him desu
>>345051483
I'm sure it was definitely the small child, he jumped straight up into the air like a grasshopper and strangled her neck that was too tall for him to reach because that makes the most sense.
>>345052364
Obviously he was MINDHACKED into accepting the explanation.
Would someone with the game be so kind to upload an early save file (earliest posible)? I get a blackscreen on NG.
I liked ZTD a lot, even the ending felt pretty good to me
This game had some funny shit in it though, particularly Q getting fucking grenaded during the standoff, and the entirety of Carlos's situation in the C-team ending. I couldn't help but laugh at his expression during that ending
>>345051483
I put in zero, I was actually surprised to get a unique response. Turns out that segment has a bunch of potential wrong answers.
>>345052364
One would think that Delta wouldn't give up the ruse until someone had figured out he was Delta was his real name. You would have little reason to suspect it was the old man Q if he doesn't fucking speak, move or react at all for five days. Especially considering the morphogenetic memories-- that fact that Q dies in some timelines is more evidence that he isn't responsible (as in almost all realities he keeps up the charade)
>>345051836
>I find human decisions fascinating
>That's why I'm going to mindhacc people into making decisions they don't want to
Sigma doing the whole "unconditional love" monologue for his children pretty much shows Kyle is Luna-tier to him. Kinda like his sibling but not really.
>>345054109
BULLSHITTING
>>345054109
BULLSHITTING
I'm not even gunna lie, Delta touting his murder of Gab and then mindhacking his would-be murderer into murdering him was probably the most funny scene in the series to me. Obviously not for the right reasons, but holy shit.
>>345054437
>>345054457
There can be only one.
>>345054516
I was fucking dying on the "DO NOT PRESS THIS BUTTON" thing tbqh
You know what sucks the most?
With how they went with a cinematic approach, gone are the descriptive narration and inner monologue that characters have in the old VN format.
I was playing 999 earlier and noticed how the game described how Junpei woke up in the first escape room in the Gigantic. It really drew me in how descriptive it is and set the mood of the game.
With how things are limited third person in ZTD, that immerse factor is gone. GONE.
Kochi you son of a bitch
>>345054560
FUCK THAT
>>345054437
>>345054457
ME
>>345054609
This
With both of them screaming at me it just felt hilarious pushing at the last second.
>>345054863
I only started laughing at the huge ass explosion. It's really funny for some reason.
>>345054516
The only salvagable thing about the entire Delta/Q situation is how fucking funny it is.
I hated the reveal but I can't not laugh at the idea that there's some old man in a wheelchair blindly spinning around and bumping into things just barely offscreen during all of the Q team scenes.
It's like how I hated the addition of Huey as a major player into the MGS canon with PW and MGS5, but love the mental image thathis suicide was retconned into slowly, sadly driving an electric wheelchair into a pool.
>longtime fan of series
>finally got a chance to play
>made everyone survive the vote at start
>went to transporter room, then door of truth
>have no code, figure I need to get it from another timeline
>can't jump to another timeline
>try failing the code 3 times
>try going for destroy transporter ending
>game still won't let me pick any scene other than transporter room or door of truth
jesus christ I must be retarded or something what the fuck do I do
>>345055113
Watch all team executions like 2 times
>>345055113
Those 4 things on the map need to light up, I think they were
"Everyone survived", "D team executed", "C team executed", "Q team executed"
I feel like I have accomplished nothing at the end of the game
just saw people die for nothing in multiple timelines and only 9 of them getting an happy ending while leaving other characters to rot
>>345055113
I didn't realize that you could just hit "lol idk" on who killed Mira, so I was stuck thinking I had to find who dunnit.
Also what this guy said >>345055342 but only once works.
The game remembers your last three votes.
>>345042572
I was waiting for someone to make that image, thank you.
>>345052056
I thought Sean might have been Delta after getting the transporter ending. I still didn't get that there was actually a 4th person in the room or that it was Zero until the ending where Akane and Junpei make it to the VLR timeline. Still feel stupid as fuck, I thought it was just some sort of meta humor.
>>345053102
>Q getting fucking grenaded during the standoff,
>Sean just stands there and says "No... Why..." while Eric and Mira fucking teleport behind him
>Delta is still nowhere to be seen nor is he mentioned despite the fact that he probably got killed too
>>345052056
>>345055810
Yeah I thought it was a joke ending too.
>>345055785
i thought of it as soon as akane and junpei figured out the one anagram, no problem man
>>345056057
MINDHACC
>>345055109
Didn't they say he used a wheelchair in MGS2? I swear I remembering wondering how he managed to take EE with him like that.
>>345056173
Was this another one of Delta's complex motives?
>>345056057
Delta is directly behind Sean when Eric fires and they get the x-pass they need so he definitely dies in that ending.
>There will never ever be a fourth ZE game
>Uchi will never get a chance to redeem himself
it hurts
>>345056127
How was Akane able to figure that anagram so fast even with all those extra letters? It made no sense.
>>345056057
Delta is behind Sean because Sean turns around to shoot him during the other ending. I think you can see smoke coming from his body, but obviously they hide it.
But it is pretty weird how quickly Eric and Mira move behind the staircase.
>>345056417
Everyone in these games can figure out anagrams in 30 seconds. They obviously don't want to show the characters all getting out bits of paper and spending 20 minutes rearranging letters
so 999 happened so that VLR could happen so that ZTD could happen?
radical-6 exists so that Sigma could use it in VLR to go the past
etc.
basically everything exist so that Delta could exist?
>>345051318
Honestly I think you're on to something.
>>345056684
well in VLR Phi only realized the meaning of the anagrams at the end when they had all the informations
>>345056417
She used the morphogenetic field
>>345056706
999 happened so Akane would be alive I guess?
No wait, she did prepare the game.
Uh.It's too complex
>>345056417
yeah that shit made no sense, akane did figure that out way to fast
>>345056706
999 is standalone, snail's fault. VLR exists because ZTD exists.
>>345056706
as far as Master Plans go, the events of 999 are pretty self contained unless we learn something new about it in ZE4. It was really just there to save Akane and for some bonus revenge
I wish ZTD had a hard mode like VLR had.
Regarding Kyle's fate, I had the idea that his consciousness inhabited the same body as old Sigma's consciousness, and that's why he sometimes acts so grumpy and sometimes quite childishly or estoic. It would also develop his affection to Diana, since Luna was Klim's daughter/memento of his love, and Kyle's nurse/motherly/sisterly figure.
>>345057234
nope
retconned
Man, Phi has to be one of the most retarded character stories I've seen
>Born during ZTD
>Sent back in time to 1903
>Sent back to 00s because lolexperiment (plothole)
>Takes part in ZTD events
>Frozen for 50 years
>VLR happens
What the hell were they thinking?
>>345057060
>>345057084
but the nonary game was founded by FtS which would be Delta and Akane was needed for VLR which was needed to send Sigma back and thus create the timeline to have Delta been born
>DON'T FORGET ABOUT KYLE
Yet, Delta forgot K, no?
>For much of his childhood, Kyle spent his time alone as he could not go near his father while he worked in a laboratory and only could see him when he slept. To keep him busy, Kyle was given educational computer software, as well as video games such as Angry Birds which was his favorite pastime.
What? When did they say something about Angry Birds in VLR?
>>345056875
>>345057084
Akane was probably only in the first Nonary game because Delta needed 999 to happen.
>>345057670
What plot hole are you referring to?
>>345049849
lol'd
>>345057785
It's from the VLR Q&A
...Man, this game bums me out. I'm honestly fine with wallowing in some bullshit endings and I am relatively easy to please, but ZTD's was something else.
>Even when I ignore the stupidity of it, any fun that might come out of the religious fanatic stuff is dead in the water
>There's no foreshadowing and information regarding this shit--it's not like pre-ZTD where we actually HAD some sort of evidence to base our stupid theories off. If Uchi thought about who this fanatic is and what drives him to terrorism, there's no indication of it in-game
>It's still a mystery HOW exactly Delta's mind hacc abilities are unable to detect the fanatic--does he have some sort of defense against it? Hell, would Delta even be aware if the (to-be) fanatic was right in front of his eyes? UGH
>The only suspect, who has powerful abilities, was called a snail that might make the world go extinct by Zero, and is MIA, is Carlos 2 and we all know that this would never happen. His personality (other than how he seems to have a bit of a god complex late-game) just doesn't fit. Plus, why the fuck would Delta willingly catalyze the fanatic's creation if he means to stop him?? His motives can only be so complex;_;
>>345054419
is Akane the Hillary Clinton of the ZE universe? Hard to know if anything she says is true
>>345048517
>They talk about Q often enough and don^t use it in a way meaning Sean/ The only shitty thing about all of it is what said/ I don^t find it contradicting about what he said, but they should have been more suspicious/ The only reason why it^s --okay to slip past-- is due to him pretending to be a blind/deaf/mute who can^t walk/ It^s lame but whatever/
But his existence makes half of the conversations make no sense.For starters, when Team Q was decide on whether to follow Carlos' plan to spread the votes, realize that whole conversation was meaningless because Q is BLIND AND DEAF AND WAS THE ONE TO MAKE THE DECISION. How were they able to communicate the plan to him? If they didn't, then they were literally banking on a gamble. Why didn't the conversation reflect this? What makes matters worse is that Mira had a whole dialogue on how you'd be in the wrong if you voted against the Team you weren't supposed to vote for in self defense. Why would this conversation come up when they had no choice but to follow a deaf and blind guy's decision?
In the Study before the Triangle mexican stand off, during the puzzle they went to the top floor to take cover. Why didn't they make a point to acknowledge them carrying up Q's wheelchair? During the standoff, why did Eric point at Sean? What the frig was killing Sean gonna do? Why didn't they come to the obvious decision to kill off the easiest target? In the Arrow ending, why'd they leave Q behind?
In the VLR beginning for D's ending, when they blew up the door, how was it that no one inquired where Q was when they got to the other side?
For every one piece of foreshadowing, there's a half dozen little details that contradict the twist.
>>345058030
>time police
10/10
>>345057827
>What plot hole are you referring to?
Didn't express it right, not """really""" a plothole. I meant the "experiment" was just a poor excuse to explain the difference in Phi and Delta's ages.
>>345051318
My God... This just might be THE BIGGEST TWIST of the entire series.
I can dig it.
>>345058030
>time police
got me thinking of this
https://youtu.be/DVyBG_aNFLE
WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T DELTA USE HIS AYY LMAO MACHINE TO TRANSPORT HIMSELF TO THE FUTURE TO FIND OUT WHO THE BOMBER IS AND THEN COMES BACK?
WHY?
>>345057670
Didn't they also imply that she is her own adoptive mother?
>>345058104
There really is no defending this twist. I could understand playing high-stakes sudoku to save your kindergarten waifu from burning up, I could sorta get that Sigma didn't think he was a senior citizen until he saw his reflection, but this had so little foreshadowing that its just pure bullshit.
>>345056417
>implying Uchi would redeem himself
You're going to be Zero again and you will like it, also the ending won't have enough closure again.It would still be a fun ride
>>345058104
Do you have brain damage?
Delta didn't make any actual decisions, he didn't speak or move. Sean did everything.
And why would they drag Delta up the stairs instead of just leaving him down there for 2 seconds.
>>345058104
Sorry the twist was toocomplexfor you anon.
>two hours into game
>enter robot bomb room
>cut wrong wire
>minigame gives no instruction on how to control it
>die
and that's the story of how I just looked everything up on wikipedia instead of playing the game I've been waiting years to play. The games have been hella fair up to this point, but that was bullshit.
>>345058104
>
>In the VLR beginning for D's ending, when they blew up the door, how was it that no one inquired where Q was when they got to the other side?
yeah, it also bothered me how Diana says "six of us are dead" to Control when Sean wasn't part of them so she should have said something like there's a dead kid plus five of us here
it's not like she was really shocked since she had the mind to then say "actually I killed six billion"
>>345054419
Why would Shiguma-san give a heck about his cloned bastard child or decaying robo waifu when he got his real kids and waifu back?
>>345058939
because the writer's favourite character said so
>>345058820
>First and only escape room where the player could finally die from fucking something up in a dangerous booby trapped funhouse
>"It's too hard!"
Wow man, really?
>>345058820
You had problems with that?
It was hilariously easy and if you fuck up you could even skip it.
>>345058030
If you're gonna write a lot you're better off just skipping the green. It's a major eyesore.
Anyways, I feel that. The killing 6 billion people for the 75% likelihood that the fanatic will be offed was so bad. It felt like Delta was just feeding the group bullshit than telling them the truth. Fuck, it's even therapeutic to think that he was just lying about everything and trying to mislead the participants.
>>345058749
>And why would they drag Delta up the stairs instead of just leaving him down there for 2 seconds.
because they went up to get away from the blast of the grenade when shooting the safe?
>>345058749
>Delta didn't make any actual decisions, he didn't speak or move. Sean did everything.
Why did Eric threaten Q then?
>>345058749
>And why would they drag Delta up the stairs instead of just leaving him down there for 2 seconds.
Why did they all go up the stairs in the first place?
>>345058820
>cut wrong wire
but knowing which wire to cut was explained to you. You don't have to play the minigame at all.
And if you fail it you lose nothing and go immediately back to where you were.
Also it was obvious how the minigame worked just by looking at it
>>345055605
Nah, you just have to make sure each team gets their turn at the execution ending. You'd have to go back to each team and revote until each team gets their turn at the execution cutscene.
You can look at flow chart to see which execution endings you've seen and haven't seen yet.
Can someone explain this Carlos 2 thing to me? From what timeline/SHIFT did he originate?
>>345058820
You literally flash back and recut it. You are the dumbest of people in these threads, and there are some who say the game is perfect. Have a (you)
>>345058820
Somehow I have a hard time believing you played the first two games if you seriously had trouble with ANYTHING in ZTD let alone that very easy minigame and the wires.
>>345060082
He went back 10 months before the timeline started splitting so he should be in all timelines, just like Delta is in all timelines even if he was born only in one because he was sent back in 1904 before the branching
>>345060082
When Carlosuses the ayy transporter to go 10 months back in time. Because that's before all the ZTD branching, we should have two Carloses at the start of the decision game. The original stuck in the game and the transported one waiting to free his friends.
>>345060240
The one where he actually transported back was the pressing the shower button timeline. When Junpei and Akane leave through the X-Door and he runs headfirst into a wall.
>>345060450
>>345060367
So there's an extra Carlos in every timeline, including the best end?
How's everyone going to react to two Carlos?
>>345060521
There are also 2 Phis assuming old lady Phi is still alive
>>345060521
lmao
2carlos
>>345060450
>Why didn't you stop Zero, Carlos?
>I wouldn't have met you guys!
Except he totally would have because that ayy lmao machine would have been there.
>>345038636
Little disappointed Kyle wasnt brought up, but everything else I felt was good. I'm satisfied with the series and how it ended, I think people expect too much
>>345060521
>So there's an extra Carlos in every timeline, including the best end?
Yes.
>How's everyone going to react to two Carlos?
As Uchi would say:This will be revealed in the 4th game, I hope you guys look forward to it.
>>345060521
...Yeah, it's a huge plot hole and - considering the epilogue - it's like the extra Carlos doesn't return to his old life. We don't know what happened to him.
It's already a given that during the 10 months, he had to live on the run and in isolation.
>>345042375
>People actually thought VLR was better then ZTD
I dont get it
>>345061051
>people actually thought VLR was better than 999
I really don't get it.
>>345042375
You fucked up. The best answer is 999=VLR>ZTD.
>>345060816
Question: wouldn't 10 months Carlos have created a bootstrap paradox if he had stopped Zero?
>>345061187
I liked how VLR went in on the the jumping and I enjoyed the AB game. Phi and Sigma also had top tier banter.
>>345061051
it was though
the puzzles were infinitely better, the *shocker* twist was implemented in a more smooth and better-written way, the framework set up VLR and gave some closure to 999. The graphics were a bit better (a bunch of ZTD's action was just hidden behind lazy camerawork where they don't even have to animate the models doing anything strenous since they can just show the ceiling) and there were more CGs in VLR i think.
A good chunk of VLR's cast was trash imo (clover alice quark) but ZTD had its fair share of dead weight both plot and actual usefulness-wise as well.
>>345059143
They moved him to the farthest corner of the room. Picture related.
>>345059157
He didn't threaten Q. He threatened Sean who threatened Mira. The real question is, why is Eric protecting Mira when she's pointing it at Eric? It should be obvious to both parties to kill Sean.
>>345058104
Did you pay attention? They all go "oh man that sucks, he can't select stuff." then Sean does all the button pushing instead for the team. Play that part again.
Mira is bringing that up because she wants to rip hearts out. It's not her MO to have people die without heart rippin.
Q is dead weight. They leave him behind because why would a murderer care about some cripple and Sean would get attacked possibly if she didn't follow Mira around. Notice Sean's 'despaired' voice in this end. He has regret for doing it, but Mira -will- kill anyone in her way. Sean doesn't know he's mega strong in this path.
Q was blown up in that ending.
>>345061224
Yes, and? It's not something unusual in this series. There is probably a timeline where he did just that, we just don't get to see it.
>>345054136
Nigger the whole point was that he made Luna out of love for Diana, and then he grew to care for her as her own person, and as a third child of theirs.
Stay bitter Kylefag, even on the off chance there's a ZE4, there will be nothing keeping him relevant. Your husbando is the deadest of weights.
>>345061224
why? the alien machine doesn't follow any rules
Wait
In VLR they said that Racidal 6 was released and that the generators were bombed, right?
Shouldn't Delta know by MIND HACCING that his plan to release Radical-6 won't work?
>>345061204
Yeah. But I figured that 8 answers would be overcomplicating it. You can only add so much before people are put off by the options...
>>345061932
Delta is trying to stop a terrorist that will cause a nucelar war that will destroy humanity.
Or so he says
>>345061932
>Shouldn't Delta know by MIND HACCING that his plan to release Radical-6 won't work?
But it worked. Radical-6 and the following reactor explosions only killed 6 billion instead of 8 billion.
how much memory erasing druge did Junpei get that he forgot about the mars experiment, the 5 fays at Dcom and the ring?
also in VLR didn't he say he was there as a guy on the project in the control room?
>>345062248
What if there are actually two Junpei?
What if Akane is actually hooking up with a fake Junpei?
WHY THE FUCK DID THEY CALL IT MIND HACKING
WHY DIDN'T THEY SAY HE ACCESSES AND INFLUENCES THE MORPHOGENETIC FIELD SIMULTANEOUSLY SO HE CAN CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE ACT
THIS SHIT IS RETARDED
>>345062137
So, if only the reactors explode 8 billion would die but if the reactors explode and a deadly virus is spread then only 6 billion die?
I don't habeeb it
>>345061465
I'm just confused about what the consequences of the bootstrap paradox would be.
In order to stop Zero, Carlos will have needed to go through the timeline and learn about SHIFTing. If he were to stop Zero retroactively, this would prevent this as well as him learning about the transporter.
Even if the paradox occurs, does Zero stay stopped/dead/etc?
>>345055002
That plus the fact someone literally made the Diana Whoops 6 Billion.gif with the scrolling text before ZTD ever came out just fucking KILLS me.
>>345062589
8 billion is because of a terrorist causing all-out nuclear war.
>>345062531
Uchikoshi's motives were... complex
>>345062531
Because robots.
Imagine if humans are like robots and their consciousness is not inside the body but somewhere else like it happens for Sean and the Quantum Computer.
He is mind hacking the human computer
>>345062531
Not all have access to the morpho field.
>>345062713
>that gif was because of rampant speculation she was zero because ofa possible ace connection
>the connection didn't exist
>given how she behaves in the story proper, what she did is arguably accidental, or at least of carelessness
wew.
>this is the woman who a man's 45 years of horniness fried his brain for
So, any other good escape room games out there?
>>345062616
>If he were to stop Zero retroactively, this would prevent this as well as him learning about the transporter.
Yes, but as we have a different timeline where these exact events happen. It's basically like SHIFTing to prevent one outcome from happening by using knowledge gained from that same outcome.
>Even if the paradox occurs, does Zero stay stopped/dead/etc?
In that specific timeline, yeah.
>>345063343
Portal
>>345063343
You mean commercially or in general? Because there's a crap ton of free flash games on the internet.
Here's a couple good escape room developers:
http://neutralxe.net/esc/index.html
http://kotorinosu.net/
>>345058630
I think the thing that makes the Delta twist so much more bullshit compared to the first two games is because those twists are complete mysteries to both the player AND the characters. All of the puzzle pieces are given to you simultaneously.
But with Delta, literally everyone in the cast knows "Q" is an old man in a wheelchair and that the boy on Q team is actually named Sean. The player is the only person left locked out of the loop, solely because it's absurdly obvious who Zero is otherwise. The game literally has to withhold basic information from you alone and rely on the characters being retards in-universe to preserve the plot twist.
>>345064840
The fact that Mira and Eric never once called Sean, Sean, on screen when they knew his name the entire time just cements the fact it's a completely fucking stupid twist.
>>345061454
>Notice Sean's 'despaired' voice in this end. He has regret for doing it
Wait, which ending? Is it the Perceptive Ending? There was a difference in tone between the languages.
>>345065251
I would've almost liked it if they called him Sean, just once at the start but nothing else changed. And then there'd be a real question as to what the fuck was going on with him
Post memos.
>>345066145
>>345065496
I thought you meant the one where sean merc'd eric.
>>345066941
Not any of the anons that were replying to each other, I just butted into the conversation. I was having a little trouble following is all.
>>345059108
What's the reason Luna has a bloodstain again? Did she just cover herself in some so she wouldn't be left out?
>>345068134
Yeah. She pulled a Sub Ace.
>>345068134
She accidentally spilled kool-aid everywhere and pretended to be asleep so she wouldn't get in trouble.
>>345068218
Why'd she do that? Did she figure that since Sigma was infected with Radical-6 that it was a bad future?
>>345068521
Sounds like Luna. She's a puppy.
>>345068134
it's just the image sucking, according to the description there was blood and gore everywhere on the floor
>tfw just finished 999
I hope this gets a little more, cohesive
>>345069053
Did you get all 5 endings (excluding coffin ending)
Don't read the thread and fuck off if you don't want the other two spoiled.
>>345069053
>more cohesive
>>345068926
Ah, that makes much more sense, she'd just blend in. Man, all of the ZE games would've benefited from a better budget. Hope they touch it up in the remakes.
>>345069327
I got safe ending first, then sub, then true
>>345069420
Go back and get axe and knife, then play VLR.
Depending on who you ask, VLR is either the best game in the series, or the second best.
I'm not terribly unsatisfied with ZTD, but I'm almost positive at this point that at least a large portion of what happened in ZTD wasn't actually supposed to happen, and that Uchi's original plan got changed.
>999
Uchi is the only writer. Chunsoft gives him practically complete creative control.
>VLR
Uchi is the head writer, with a sub-writer working under him. Sub-writer's primary responsibility is to help avoid problems, inconsistencies, and contradictions in the story, since it's starting to get messy. Chunsoft requires the tone of the game to be more relaxed and less tense to attract more fans, and even vetoes select proposed scenes.
>ZTD
Uchi is the primary of three co-writers. Each writer had a hand in story development, each proposing ideas and solving story issues. Chunsoft has mandated that the game be welcoming to new players, and gives Uchi a strict and small budget to work with. One of Uchi's solution to drawing in new players is to tell the story from the perspective of new characters, rather than the previous main character, directly affecting the form of the narrative. Another of Uchi's solutions to drawing in new players is to follow the Telltale narrative format as it has proved profitable in Western markets.
I really feel that the series just kinda spiraled out of Uchi's hands overtime, and he allowed it to happen. He admitted both that 999 was meant as a standalone story, and that while writing 999 he had an overall idea of where he wanted to take the series if it was allowed to continue. But though 999 is essentially a standalone game, it seems to link up better to VLR than VLR does to ZTD, even though VLR and ZTD were supposed to have been written at the same time.
I really feel that the ZTD we got in this timeline isn't the true ZTD.
>>345069650
why, I know everything now
>>345069650I think VLR is the worst of the series.
>>345069420
The others have a bit of information, but not a whole lot. 999 was supposed to be a standalone game, the other two games don't really explain too much more on what happened during 999, they just expand on the universe.
Don't read the wiki if you want to get more info about 999, there are spoilers for the other games mixed.
There are the spoilers for 999, if you missed some of them:
>The top screen is Junpei, the bottom screen is Akane
>You are solving Akane's puzzles during the game, not Junpei's
>Akane gives Junpei the code for the coffin, after observing him read it in the safe ending
>When the screen swaps, this is the only time you "play" as Junpei
>Akane never dies in the incinerator. I think the official explanation is Snake is lying, and Seven has fake memories
>Whenever Akane appears sick, this means you are travelling down an "impossible" route, i.e. one you didn't save her, so she can't exist
>Who the killer is:Ace. He fakes his death at the stairs, and kills you at the submarine
>>345069965
Axe ending is a really chilling and impressive "what-if" ending.
Knife ending is just for the sake of 100% completion.
>>345069997
Well yeah, all of that is spelled out pretty clearly in the safe and true endings, except the sickness thing that is pretty neat
>>345069997
>>Akane never dies in the incinerator. I think the official explanation is Snake is lying, and Seven has fake memories
>Seven has fake memories
See, this one specifically points towards Uchi having an overall idea of what he wanted to do, because VLR retroactively explains it.Seven was in a Shrodinger's situation where both histories could have happened - hence his memories were of both timelines. Uchi couldn't explain how the realities collapsed in on themselves in 999, because he thought it was one more thing that, though he could explain it, it would seem forced and randomly brought up. But since Uchi had a lot of time to elaborate on Shrodinger's paradox in VLR, it now explained Seven's headaches and seeing multiple things at once, just as June's fever's were explained by the same thing.
>>345070179
Knife ending before True Ending foreshadows Ace'sprosopagnosia, which foreshadows who the killer is.
Axe ending is primarily to demonstrate that the nonary could "break" a person.
>>345069997>June physically slips into another time during safe ending
Uchi's Q&A just cause more problems than they solve.
Finished the game this week. When the cutscenes were rolling I thought, surely there must be another path branching out now. Nope.
shitty half assed end. All that build up of muh 6 billion for what?
>>345069994
>thinking VLR isn't vastly superior to COMPLEX MOTIVES
I just carrot understand how anybunny can be this wrong.
>>345070694
Snails.
>>345070558
The Axe ending demonstrates that Clover has latent mind hack skills.
>>345070694
I wonder what the response would be if you told someone last year that the series would end on Albert Wesker making a team of time travelers to save the world.
>>345070802
I want a Lagomorph plushie
>>345070694
KILL SIX BILLIONS TO SAVE 2 BILLIONS
You can see Delta grew up in Germany, he clearly is autistic
>>345038636
Does Uchi
A: Fucking LOVE using the same twist over and over again?
or
B: Not know another twist?
999
>Playing as Junpei
>Find out Akane's Zero
>Wait, you're actually playing as Akane
>You're Zero
VLR
>Playing as Sigma (Young)
>That Old Man is Zero
>Wait, you're actually that Old Man
>You're Zero
ZTD
>Playing as different characters
>Those characters are being controlled by Zero
>Wait, you're controlling those characters
>You're Zero
>>345071453
It looks better when you frame it as a choice of saving 2 billion vs saving 0.
Doesn't make it good, just easier to rationalize.
>>345069650
>and knife
Why? Shitty ass ending that adds nothing to the story.
>>345071720
For 100% completion to get that question mark off your save file.
So how much did VLR Akane know that she never told Sigma or anyone else.
She had attended a Free the Soul meeting, Brother already told her about the religious fanatic and she knew about the transporter having, you know, transported.
>>345071496
That really isn't true for either 999 or ZTD.Young Akane and Zero are pretty much different people and in ZTD you're only seeing the world through Zero, not actually controlling him.
>>345071496
He answered this question in anime expo
>>345072209
What was the answer?
>>345072367
It will all be explained in ZE4, look forward to it!
>>345070802
Shut up, Lagodork. I can't defend some of the sillier shit ZTD did, like MIND HACKS or the fragment system, but VLR set ZTD up for failure.
999 was great because it was an original story and had all the freedom it wanted. Its narrative was tightly woven and only had Alice as a loose thread. VLR was the same, except it also had the option to pick and choose elements from 999 at its leisure, because 999 didn't force it to explain anything except Alice. But then VLR, like some sort of asshole, decides to end on about nine separate unresolved plot points. Then ZTD comes along and is obligated to not only create its own mysteries, but also answer all the ones that VLR left behind. I'm actually a bit glad ZTD decided to drop a few points, because it would've been a mess trying to keep them all in without making ZTD into VLR part 2.
Again, VLR by itself was fantastic and ZTD fucked up a lot on its own. But a lot of the disappointment comes from shit VLR started, so I SHIFT the blame onto it.
>>345073151
>it's game 1's fault that game 2 was a poorly written mess that didn't address any lingering plot points
No, fuck you.
>>345073151
ZTD ruined VLR, so I blame the 3rd game for being a fucking putrid resolution to what VLR left hanging.
What did he mean by this?
>>345073648
>I did not expected to be shown the thumbnail
I literally have no idea.
>>345073151
I hop you realize the exact -- EXACT -- same argument can be used to argue that The Empire Strikes Back is worse than Return of the Jedi, among any number of other, similar claims regarding trilogies that grew out of originally standalone works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proving_too_much
>>345073786
He deleted tweets
>>345073648
He linked to some reddit page where people were detailing the bits in ZTD where it was foreshadowed that a 10th person was present.
The link had a thumbnail of some scene on Q Team.
>>345073940
What did he delete?
>>345073648
translator note: I won't do a Q&A or else fans will rape my ass because all of the plot holes.
>>345073807
No, he's just saying that some of the flaws in Return of the Jedi can be pinned on shit that happened in Empire. Which is a perfectly reasonable thing to say. If Han hadn't been frozen in that film (which was good in that film) we wouldn't have had the pontless Jabba detour. What you're doing is making a hasty generalization my friend, and that is not a valid argument
>>345070687
That isn't an official thing. He hints that maybe it happens, but doesn't confirm it. It's yet another reason to believe the Q&A's aren't to be taken to seriously in every aspect.
>>345073648
That he wants us to figure out what he meant through the things he implied instead of needing autists to have everything explained.And that hopefully he WILL explain at a later date.
>>345073994
Spoilers
>>345073648
>paid 40 euros for a "make up your own ending and think for yourself" kit
well, that's interesting
>>345074343
So ZTD is the same as Remember11 then?
>>345073151
>>345074161
Don't know if you're the same anon, but if you are...
>But a lot of the disappointment comes from shit VLR started, so I SHIFT the blame onto it.
>I'm actually a bit glad ZTD decided to drop a few points, because it would've been a mess trying to keep them all in without making ZTD into VLR part 2.
Uchi planned to do VLR and ZTD at the same time. Uchi's original plan was to create both stories side by side while making game one, then make game two and release it shortly after. Chunsoft even greenlit this whole idea. ZTD was always planned to be VLR part 2, up until ZTD got put onto hiatus because VLR didn't sell well.
The reason it got changed from VLR Part 2 is twofold:
1. There were two new writers on the scene actually working on plot points instead of just proofreading.
2. Chunsoft wanted the game to be accessible to newcomers, which Uchi then decided he'd fix by changing the perspective of the player from Sigma to the new characters, which is responsible for changing a lot.
999 was basically supposed to be VLR: The Prequel
VLR was, and still is, VLR: Part 1
ZTD was supposed to be VLR: Part 2.
So you can't really blame VLR for this.
>>345074674
*999 can basically be considered to be VLR: The Prequel. It's standalone, works by itself, but fits well into the overall world.
>>345073648
When a Q&A comes around for ZE3 I doubt it's going to make much sense.
I'm still salty that the philosophical issues brought up in all 3 games barely get addressed.
>>345074674
Not the same guy, but you can still place some blame on it. In some ways, it is similar to Return of the Jedi. Lucas changed the ending of that because he wanted to sell toys, and Chunsoft changed the plan here because they wanted to sell copies.
>>345074645
>So ZTD is the same as Remember11 then?
I was so mad with Remember11. Really liked everything in that VN and then it just gives you a fuck you at the end
>>345073151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zGj8FqpWf4
@15:08, he says he had planned to work on VLR and ZTD at the same time, making them sister games more than a series of games.
VLR didn't set up ZTD for failure at all. They were conceived simultaneously.
VLR set up the pitch and threw the ball, but ZTD decided it wanted to play golf instead.
>>345074674
>>345074962
I should add, that you can blame VLR (in part, but not fully) because it wasn't made to be standalone. An ideal piece of media should standalone as a singular on its own merits even if it is part of a greater whole. And to continue the analogy, that is also Empire's one weakness. Lack of resolution
>>345073520
Yeah, that's the more common and probably more reasonable way of looking at it. Maybe I just have a soft spot for ZTD because of all the dumb jokes that spawned from it.
>>345073807
>Proving too much, in philosophy, is a logical fallacy
Fallacy fallacy, you smug rabbit shit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
And I'd argue it's different for ZE specifically, because a lot of atmosphere is built by not knowing what the fuck is going on and who these people are. VLR tells you 4/9 contestants, the reason why they're there, and what they're there to do. Plus, you know the setting and at least one outcome of the game. True, ZTD could've handled all of it better, but VLR gave it a shit start and that was simply unfair.
>>345074674
>both VLR and ZTD are VLR
Then it's definitely VLR's fault. Goddamn VLR.
>just finished ZTD
This was the disappointment of the fucking century.
>>345075074
I would blame it more on Chunsoft, since they shelved the third game even though they ok'd him working on both.
This isn't quite like Star Wars, where Lucas had a plan but still had to rely on the 2nd movie's funding for the 3rd movie - Uchi had already gotten the ok for the 3rd game before working on the 2nd game.
>>345075124
>both VLR and ZTD are VLR
>Then it's definitely VLR's fault. Goddamn VLR.
>>345075158
Here are your complimentary memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU
>>345074936
Its a mystery dude
Its not supposed to make sense until the end
Do you think the game's story is 'over' in any sense?
>>345075215
>This isn't quite like Star Wars, where Lucas had a plan but still had to rely on the 2nd movie's funding for the 3rd movie
I want you to re-write that, read it out loud, and then think about why you're a fucking moron. It's exactly like that. The third game got canned because it was reliant on the second's success. Also, Lucas' changes weren't based on that. They were the opposite. It got to popular and he chickened out of being too bold and played it safe for the kiddies
>>345075503
>Do you think the game's story is 'over' in any sense?
It should be. What the fuck else can they really do without setting up more plot holes?
>>345041239
I was honestly enjoying myself, dude. The music was great, the puzzles were fun and satisfying, the atmosphere was way better than shitty VLR, but it completely had no punch whatsoever. Since there was all that jumping around, all the death scenes had no value to me beyond "oh ew they really showed that." Everything just felt completely pointless.Sean suddenly pointing out Delta after nobody acknowledged him and he was never on camera the entire gamewas just the icing on the cake. It felt so rushed.
Tower defense game where you protect DCOM from Crash Keys using Sean soldiers when
>>345075158
It's okay. We'll heal together.
>>345069053
>more cohesive
Stop while you're ahead
Here's a crazy idea: Don't make a fucking game reliant on another for closure in the first place.
>>3450756725 Hours
>>345075628
>Sean suddenly pointing out Delta after nobody acknowledged him and he was never on camera the entire game
Yeah I didn't like this either. You would think the guy who is supposedly blind/deaf/mute/disabled would be one of the highest on the sus list.
I guess it was just mindu hacku
>>345069053
Ahahahahah oh man you're in for a wild ride
>>345075791
>80+ percent of Delta's time is spent using Mind Haaack to force anyone to disregard any suspicion about "the blind, deaf, mute, and disabled man with glowing purple eyes"
I could be lead to believe this.
>>345075756
Preach. VLR was very, very weak on its own and all ZTD did was go "well now you guys really wanna save the world right." Only things I liked about VLR and ZTD were a few characters.
>>345075791
He was a member of the facility just like them. They all thought he was in the same boat as they were. The other teams aren't suspicious because they know him. they're suspicious of Sean though because they don't know him. For them the situation is flipped. Q/Delta is obviously normal and Sean is strange.It's still bullshit without >>345075906 theory though.
>>345076048
They still have memories from the coin flip though. they should have been able to figure out that Q/delta wasn't in there and that something was up, or at least Q team should have been able to
But then again it was Eric/Mira and Mira was too busy killing people and Eric is too busy being an idiot so I guess it still works
>>345076048
No way in hell, dude. The fact that he's just fucking invisible until he's suddenly pointed out is just unacceptable and sloppy. Hell, in one of those bad ends near the end, where Eric shoots everyone, there's a blood splatter with no dead body, meaning Eric shot Delta too but you're just not allowed to see him because plot. It's dumb.
Also why the fuck does Sigma have a cat tic speaking problem? That's never touched on or explained. Is it seriously just a weird character quirk? A cute little nothing?
>>345075756
I agree, 999 was shit
>>345076168
They don't though. That got erased. It's an easy mistake to make because they remember after the Zero reveal, but for most of the game they don't remember the coin flip.
>>345076351
It is lazy, but it makes sense. The blood is on the edge of the screen and his body is just off camera. Cheap, but not continuity breaking.
>>345076468
(You)
>>345076589
>game literally needing a Q&A
>ends with Alice standing there with no explanation at all
but keep memeing about 999 being perfect
What is right?
>>345075532
Lucas KNEW he had to rely on the second movie's funding for the third to be produced.
Uchi KNEW he didn't have to - Chunsoft ok'd the third game while he was working on the second. Fuck, they actually told him to work on both at the same time. They changed their minds after VLR didn't make millions, even though it was profitable. How is them taking back their confirmation Uchi's fault?
>>345076704
>There's a final ending no one has unlocked yet
PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE
>>345076704
I need something stronger than beer after this piece of shit.
>>345076705
It's Japan's fault for not buying enough of the game.
Fuck Japan. What did they ever do for us, right?
>>345076681
>A game is either shit or perfect
lmao
>>345076897
don't blame them for being smart
>>345076704
>what is right
The game completely and utterly fails to convey this message. There is zero ethics in it because the game encourages you to do every possible branch to the point where players are knowingly doing acid showers and shit just in the hope that they progress the story in some way.
Equally, the game occasionally makes some attempts at genuinely philosophical problems like pulling the SHIFTed conciousnesses into death in your place - except that it basically brings the issue up but then handwaves it away, forcing you to basically ignore it for the sake of progressing the story. Most blatant in the 'final' choice before the ending, where chosing not to SHIFT gets you a 5 second game over and after SHIFTing it is not mentioned at all and no consequences are even acknowledged by the characters.
It's made even worse by the fact that it is later revealed that since the characters can (mostly) all SHIFT then death is meaningless to them anyway
Seriously there is zero ethics in ZTD, just like how there was no genuine virtue in VLR because Sigma was forced to act evil purely for the sake of advancing the plot in exactly the same way
>>345076681
>Game is self contained. Has a sequel hook as a post credits scene. Makes it not perfect.
k
>>345076705
But Lucas also knew it would be successful. He didn't have to rely on jackshit. The money he had from the first was still enough to make a third if Empire bombed. Uchi wouldn't have been completely blindsided by this, because otherwise he could sue them for breach of contract. There would've been provisions that VLR had to do well before he started ZTD (otherwise there would be an aborted alpha version of ZTD that they had been making). It isn't a perfect comparison, but the principle is the same. If anything, you have the situations muddled.
>>345076994
>There is zero ethics in it because the game encourages you to do every possible branch to the point where players are knowingly doing acid showers and shit just in the hope that they progress the story in some way.
agree 100%
my big disappointment :(
The real question here is,how much of Sigma's canonically 18-inch-dick was Diana able to take?
>>345077124
Just the tip
>>345076351
>you're just not allowed to see him because plot. It's dumb
I think someone else said this a couple days ago, but Delta's twist felt like bullshit because it was only a twist for the player.
>needing to play Sudoku for Akane is a mind fuck for Junpei
>having had been old and Zero the whole time is a mind fuck for Sigma
>Delta being slightly off-screen is just something everyone is 100% cool with, except the player
Delta being there seems more like a prank by the game, rather than a plot twist.
>>345077229
>loving VLR and not ZTD
Two different sides of the same shit coin. You aren't allowed to hate one and not the other.
>>345077239
That's a good way to explain the frustration I'm feeling.
>>345077229
Delta on the right
Why are people not bitching more about the fact that STD literally dropped FUCKING ALIENS into the story
What the fuck??
>>345077285
ZTD is like your little girl growing up into a crack whore. Sure you may hate how she is now but you'll always look at photos of her as a child and love who she was and who could could have been.
>>345077412
You mean Kyle
>>345077239
Yeah. I agree. This is the most legitimate argument against the twist (if not the only one), but I still can't help but love it. I think it's because of the sheer audacity and ballsiness. It breaks game conventions in a way that is infuriating, but also kinda... I dunno.... endearing. It wasn't enough to ruin the game for me, but I can see why it was for people
but VLR did explain all the things about its own game, the only things left were details that were not currently relevant to VLR's plot
I don't get why people have such a problem with it
>>345077239
>>345077504
I think it would have been alright if there had been any more hinting at it. Hell, it had already been hinted at that something was going on with the player's perspective, but my main issue is that the camera is fucking all over the place. There's simply nowhere you could hide him. Any given scene with an establishing shot involving Q team would have to show Delta because it's the entire fuckin room and Delta is how we, the player, observe them.
>>345077772
Yeah. For sure. I just wish they hadn't included the Kyle thingo
>>345077421
There's already so much to bitch about it's hard to fit in the ayys to the complaints.
>>345069725
>I really feel that the ZTD we got in this timeline isn't the true ZTD.
Really? It should be obvious with just how many dropped plot points there were, how inconsistent the recurring characters are, and how many major elements were added simply for plot convenience.
>>345077793
Yeah. I wouldn't mind if he wasn't part of the team directly, but gave the contact lense cameras or some shit. That way, when Q points at the camera he is pointing at Delta through the lens instead of directly. That, or mention Seasn's name once before hand just to screw with us, and justify it a bit more. And show us the wheelchair in part in some scenes
>>345074674
Honestly, I think the tri protag thing was something of Uchi's design from the get go, so Sigma: the continuation wouldn't be exactly right I think. But I can agree a lot of the events would play out differently(maybe much better) if the leads were mostly previous characters with the writing acting as such.
Like Akane leading Team C/A, Sigma leading Team D/S, and... I don't know, maybe Q would have still been only new characters. But Carlos is pretty purposeless, and Diana pretty much has her kids and spreads the virus across the world. I think she could have been cut easily from the decision game proper(instead, being a sort of helper like Gab. In fact, that's she's sent in by her boss helps this.), and not much would have changed.
Eh, I'll just toss out a potential A/???/S set.
A Team
-Akane
-Junpei
-Clover/Alice/a Dio(About the only ones I can think would fit here from VLR)
???
-Seven/Snake
-Mira(as much as I hate her, it's clear Uchi had a lot of plot threads tied around her, such as the Kurashiki's orphaning. But she can be a third helper like Diana & Gab, as I suggested earlier)/Sean
-Kyle
S Team
-Sigma
-Phi
-Aoi
>>345077971
>wanting Clover or Alice shitting up another game
So are Alice and Clover and Kyle just stuck in the shitty timeline forever?
Is the answer "don't think about it"?
That was my only problem with the entire story. Otherwise, I really don't know what y'all are bitching about. I had a great time.
>>345077772
The issue is that VLR's plot twist is "Sigma has to become a SHIFTer so that ZTD can happen." That's it. Sure, there's all the agendas backstabbing and murders, but at the end of the day it's all inconsequential because Sigma can SHIFT whenever he wants. Which would've been cool except the player will realize what's going on within the first 5 hours of the game just due to the nature of how it's set up with the flowchart, story locks, etc. so when it's finally revealed after like 30 hours like "wow Sigma can SHIFT???? wow!!!" the player is like "what a shock, not."
>>345077971
This sounds horrible.
>>345077971
He confirmed it was initially, and I mean in the very early planning stages it was just Sigma. But I imagine that was while he was still spitballing. The teams seem pretty important.
Zero achieved complete global saturation
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10749209/
Reblog for the midnight mofo's
>>345078284
999>VLR=ZTD.
Seriously, did ZTD have a single moment that was emotional for anyone? The whole thing with the relationship between Sigma, Phi and Diana was nice, but it was so sudden and so brief. The way they went about revealing it was also really lame. Just "suddenly they remembered thanks to the SHIFTing."
>>345078057
>ZTD doesn't include Clover
>disappointing overall
I think you need to connect the dots, anon.
Sigma is 18 inches
Diana is fairly well endowed.
Phi is pretty much flat.
Does Delta have a micropenis?
>>345078430
>VLR includes Clover
>disappointing overall
I don't think there's a correlation here.
>>345070694
For muh 8 billion
So I just got the Q-End 2 and there's nothing left for me to do but stuff is still in ?. I've done all that I can right now and tried a few things like rewatching segments all the way but I'm legit confused on what the fuck I do next.
Please help
>Sigma's girlfriend broke up with him on December 18, 2028 so he decided not to go to the party they were supposed to go. She broke up with him through e-mail and he wasn't able to contact her at all afterward. Sigma's home computer mysteriously stopped working, and his Buddhist professor said he still had to work on Christmas and hand in his paper that night. All three events were orchestrated by Akane Kurashiki and Crash Keys.
What the fug?
How the hell did Akane get his girlfriend to break up with him? What a bitch
>>345078057
Which is why I put in the left clone. It's more about the interaction the lone VLR character would have with the two from 999 on his team. Same with Aoi and Sigman and Phi.
>>345078117
Suggest better then, I'm curious on other possible teams.
>>345078124
It really does seem like he thought of making it more than Sigma's solo show in concept pretty early on.
>>345078537
>pretty much flat
>D cups
If that's flat then I'mhackingsome minds
>>345078750
Whqt was Sigma's major anyway?
>>345076440
Sigma was cursed by a talking cat. It was explained in a fileSeriously it is just a verbal tic. This is what you're scratching your head about?
How/when did Eric learn Sean's name?
>>345078830
I think it was Theoretical Biology or something along the lines of that.
>>345078918
Mira... Mira is my... angel...
>>345078830
I like to think it was an Art major cause it makes him seem smarter when he has to learn all this science crap
>>345078904
When we weren't watching. Probably the same timeSeanasks them about theold fart that keeps following them in a wheelchair.
Replaying VLR right now, will be getting ZTD for my birthday on the 21st. Already been spoiled on some shit, so whatever, I may as well check out the threads.
Am I going to be disappointed? I don't care so much for whether plot points are all connected and all mysteries are solved. I'm mostly concerned that the new characters are going to be boring and the story will be absolutely retarded and the puzzles will suck. Is the ending satisfying or is it left open for a forth game?
>>345079042
>following
they probably have to push it, I doubt they would allow a blind guy to move around on his own
>>345078749
Go to your flowchart, the global one, above the line where it branches out into 3 you see 4 circles for each voting outcome, if those aren't all highlighted, you need to go back to the voting decisions to get the outcomes you don't have.
>>345079237
I need the red teams to be done.. okay thanks. What exactly do I do here though?
>>345079129
Enjoy the ride
>>345079129
Just play the game, anon. Most puzzles are good and the characters have decent development. You'll enjoy it till the last couple hours, when shit just starts getting kind of ridiculous andcomplex
>>345079182
>I doubt they would allow a blind guy to move around on his own
Just jokingbut it's the only explanation on how Delta's suddenly with them in the study./spoiler]
>>345077971
>Clover and Alice. What the fuck?
>"A Dio"
>Seven...he'd be redundant, Junpei's already a cop
>Snake, he's something like a poet or a musician--he has no business being there
>Keeping Mira despite the fact that her character fucks up the ZE universe even more than it is
>Dumping Carlos, especially when you could have just made him a "Dio"
This hurts my soul, anon.
>>345079310
You have to switch to another team after choosing one so that it's two votes
>>345079468
Yeah I think I figured it out. It's sort of like the game taught you how to shift and so you gotta alter the outcome!
I don't understand why people hate the ending to ZTD. I guess this fanbase isn't as smart as I thought if they can't understand complex endings
>>345079564
Fuck you Delta
>>345077229
>>345077487
I enjoy the potential of Sigma and Diana's dysfunctional family.
>>345076704
>>345073648
haha holy shit, even umineko was more cocnlusive than ZTD
>>345076704
I want closure dammit
>>345079424
The idea was to keep a plot centric new character in the team with the 999 and VLR character. As each team has at least one from those games. And Mira, for as much as she's tied to the problems in plot, is way too plot centric unlike Carlos and Diana.>spoiling that Carlos is a Left clone
Shame on you anon.Replace the slashes with "or". And by the ending, they're about the only ones from VLR I could slip in that team. Although it might be better to scrap that idea.
It's 4AM and I just wanted to shoot ideas with anons, I didn't think it would be this shit.
Changes I guess.
Zero is assisted by Diana and Gab.
-Akane
-Junpei
-Maria
-Carlos
-Aoi
-Kyle
-Sigma
-Phi
-Sean
More team interaction really should have been a thing in ZTD. You could easily forget the dog existed for the most part.
>>345080138
>>345078401
I cried in D-End 2 whenSigma said that was the last biscuit and thanked Gab for everything
Uchi is aMINDhackfraud who lucked out by having a huge western audience pushing for his game to be made but couldn't pull off a satisfying conclusion with the budget he was allocated.
Operation Bluebird is a conclusive failure.
>>345080626
>it's_better_than_nothing.jpg
>>345041239
I wasn't. The game had some good moments, but overall I couldn't enjoy myself. My first room was the transporter one and when the ayylmaos came into play I knew something was wrong. Other than that I couldn't stand the way Akane and Junpei were written and playing through Qteam was a chore.
I liked Carlos' shifting police, D team (mostly when Phi was present), Delta's reveal was fun, because of how absurd it was. Puzzles were fine.
I wish I could enjoy the game a bit more, but my expectations are stopping me.
>>345078401
I cried like a babby during D-End 2when Sigma admitted his flaws and admitted he believed in Diana's optimism, then when he told Gab they were out of food, then when they sent their babies through the transporter and named Phi after Phi.
>>345081137
>ayylmaos
I got mad. Actually mad. He foreshadows every major twist so well, and then all of a sudden "ALIEN TECHNOLOGY FOR TIME TRAVEL".
What the literal fuck.
>I couldn't stand the way Akane and Junpei were written
What? Do you not like fun?
>and playing through Qteam was a chore.
Yeah, that wasn't the best.
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