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Am I the only one who think is Reaper should be nerfed?
>>344991748
maybe less health
>>344991748
One of three things needs to happen with him:
1. Health lowered to 200.
2. Speed boost removed on Wraith.
3. Invincibility removed on Wraith.
>>344991748
Limit to how many guns he can carry would make a little sense.
His bullets need to disperse a little more. The point is that he's supposed to be at a great disadvantage at medium to long range. He should ONLY be effective at close range
>>344993810
Have you played reaper?
Thinking he is effective at anything but close range is laughable.
>>344992103
>yes
>yes (lowered a little)
>nah
what would the point of wraith be then if you remove the invincibility?
If you remove the invincibility then you should allow it to clip through walls or something
>>344994087
>what would the point of wraith be then if you remove the invincibility?
He gets a Lucio speedboost. That alone makes the ability strong, both on one key press is retarded.
>>344993967
does this affect his superior abilities in any way?
most of the times you attack one spot(you must stay in range to get it) hug a car or beeing near that car or defend a base,,,most battles in overwatch are CLOSE quarter battles
>let's nerf the hero that is only useful against rein, winston and roadhog
lol, you need to get good
>>344993810
>>344994202
>nerf his medium to long range
>but anon his medium to long range is shit
>overwatch is a close range game wow hes too strong
wat
>>344994197
I think you're overestimating how much faster he gets, smaller guys can easily just follow a low hp reaper trying to run away.
>>344993967
He has the same effective DPS as Tracer from similar ranges. He only starts really falling off around 18 meters.
>>344994224
>only useful against rein, winston and roadhog
Nah, you do.
I blow up half the cast in the game so easily with Reaper.
He counters all the tanks and anyone with 200 HP or below that isn't Pharra.
>>344994197
the point is to be able to escape and get a health pack you fucking moron
what would be the point if he went the same speed and wasn't invincible?
DIE DIE DIE
>>344991748
Holy shit what sub-rank-30 garbage pile did you crawl out from under?
Reaper is fine and you're retarded.
>>344994550
>same effective DPS as Tracer from similar ranges
Which is basically nothing from any distance beyond spitting range?
quit being bad
Reaper only really becomes a problem when teams run two of them in KotH.
>>344994550
no one gives a fuck that you're able to outdamages most heros when you're 2 meters from them
there's literally no reason to pick reaper over mcree or soldier if you don't need to shred tanks
or if you like to flank shitters in quickplay
Reaper is a little strong but hes not op
Yes he has 250 hp which is the same as mei but it is because he's a close range char, so he needs the extra health to survive the melee/tank onslaught
His guns do a little bit too much damage from medium range and a little bit too low damage from point blank. Maybe buff his close-range damage but nerf his medium-long range damage fall-off.
His abilities are allright
>>344991748
no, he only effective at extremely close range and his ult is very easy to be nullified.
>>344994484
Every hero except a Tracer and Genji, both of whom he can 1-2 shot, and a sprinting 76 or a Amped Lucio, move at the same speed.
>>344994556
Yeah, and that's making him too strong, which is why he's everywhere now. No other character can run in and do 480 DPS, then ghost away into a bunch of healing orbs and medkits.
>>344994742
18 meters isn't that short of range.
>>344994802
Wrong. He's the strongest close and mid-range character in the game right now. He can also flank, rewards bad positioning, poor aim, and has an ult, which when used with half a brain, guarantees he will go even.
>>344994802
>there's literally no reason to pick reaper over mcree or soldier if you don't need to shred tanks
You always need to shred tanks. Comp teams are running Reapers currently for this reason.
>>344992103
1. Fuck off and die
2. Maybe
3. Are you fucking retarded?
>>344995023
>Yeah, and that's making him too strong, which is why he's everywhere now. No other character can run in and do 480 DPS, then ghost away into a bunch of healing orbs and medkits.
>who is mei
Am I the only one who thinks Reaper is cute!?
>>344991748
Reaper does need to have his health lowered, modify his invincibility bullshit to receive only 25% of the damage along with nerfing his speed boost and lower his damage by 15%.
>>344995280
>Mei
>Countering anyone ever.
>>344995023
No, he's everywhere because he's the best tank killer class. He fulfills his role so perfectly that he becomes almost as necessary for a good team as having a healer or a tank.
>>344992103
with his self healing passive, I would agree with that hp nerf
>>344995403
Mei is alright vs Genji if he burns his Swift Strike
>>344995321
Nope, nope, and nope.
I'm so fucking glad shitters like you have no say on game balance
>>344995463
He's also one of the best, if not the best, flanker, and the best duelist.
So again, he counters:
>Anyone with <=200 HP
>All the tanks
Pharra and Soldier are the only characters that can reliably trade with him and not die, but he can pick his fights better than they can, so it doesn't matter.
>>344995489
He would be fucking useless. He wouldn't be able to deal any fucking damage before he had to phase away.
If you nerf his health, you'll have to buff his damage. Right now, he's fulfilling his role fucking perfectly.
tracer mainers should be lined up and shot.
Nerf health or make his bullet spread a bit worse because for an "in your asshole" character he can still work surprisingly well at medium range
>>344991748
I mean, he pisses me off sometimes. But I think hes pretty well balanced.
Oh come on
If you're getting murdered by reaper you're not aware of your surroundings
>>344995859
agreed. Tracer is the very definition of anti-fun
I half main Dva and he's only a problem thanks to my hitbox.
When i switch to pharah i dont even have to try to rocket predict.
The only change that I would make to Reaper is that he shouldn't be able to pick up regular health packs while in wraith form.
>>344995859
They are so fucking obnoxious, and for some reason, they always seem to have a personal vendetta against me. Luckily, I'm able to to outsmart them. I was playing Bastion on Illios and TWO of them appeared at my side and simultaneously used their ults. Overkill or what?I got away from the explosion, though :^)
>nerf reaper
>Roadhog becomes a literal one man apocalypse
Pls don't
>>344991748
>be pharah
>be up in the air and a good 15-20 m away from reaper
>he still shotgun snipes me to low health
Need to roll back the range on those things.
>>344995403
*freezes you*
*shoots an ice spike through your nut*
while reaper can truly be annoying, i think he should be left as is. Hes the one true tank killer, without him a team consisting of two tanks including toadhog would be almost unstoppable
>>344995609
yes, yes, and yes.
those nerfs are reasonable. Blizzard is looking into nerfing him due to fan outrage at him. :^)
>>344991748
Remove the ability to pick up health kits in ghost mode
All you silly fucks saying reaper needs a nerf need to actually try playing him for longer than 10 seconds.
Once I started somewhat using him I immediately began noticing when and where reapers will appear from and can stop them fucking people without resistance
>his ranged is too strong
Again, play him and come say that, you can't kill anyone in mid-long range that isn't already low health
>>344996943
except I've killed people mid to long range all the time. His range needs nerfs as well as damage.
I feel if he had just 50 less health he'd piss me off a lot less. Always seems like he's got so much goddamned health and never dies.
>>344992103
>Invincibility removed on Wraith
Are you fucking stupid? What would be the point of wraith form then?
>>344996943
I'm over lvl 100 and I have played him. He can still be dangerous at long range. Not the sniper kind of long range but the long range that's too long for short barreled shotguns.
>>344997021
to receive less damage?
Awareness is his ultimate weakness.
He really doesn't need a hard counter. You just gotta keep on your toes and he's fucked.
>>344997001
>>344997049
you kill people 100% > 0% at long range regularily? without anyone helping on either end? I'm suspicious
>>344995023
He gets 5% move speed you sperg
>>344991748
no.
source: one of top 10 reapers in US with 68% win rate rank 75 :-)
he gets countered easily by tracer. anyone paying attention can stop the ult. he needs 250hp otherwise he can duel literally no one when he is the close range dueling character.
>>344992103
entirely retarded
>>344995403
mei counters like 10 fucking characters youre fucking garbage, forum users even on /v/ are such joke players its unreal. i almost forgot.
>>344996919
>Blizzard is looking into nerfing him due to fan outrage at him
Source please?
Because as far as I can tell, nobody thought that before the Mcree nerf, including Blizzard. The only thing that happened is that Reaper's role as a tank killer became more apparent when people could no longer count on Mcree to kill EVERYTHING. If he's to recieve a nerf, it's going to be extremely minor
Do you have any idea how game balance works? Hitting Reaper too hard with the nerf bat will start a chain reaction of problems.
>>344992103
>1. Health lowered to 200.
Deal. IF you make him invincible while using his ult.
>>344991748
Just take away his ability to heal in wraith mode and only let him pick up souls from enemies he's killed
>>344992103
Kill yourself.
I'd accept that.
Kill yourself.
I really hope Blizz is smart enough to not listen to retards who overextend and overdramatize.
>>344998094
this
>>344996151
Tracer would be fine if she had a longer cooldown if she spams dashes too quickly
Its fucking obnoxious how easily she is able to get away from any sort of bad situation
>>344998148
Blizzard does seem to be aware about people exaggerating shit, so lets hope.
>>344998094
>only let him pick up souls from enemies he's killed
I agree with this part.
I don't agree with taking away his ability to go over health packs though. It encourages enemies to be fucking shit and unaware of their surroundings. If a reaper can get to a medpack before you can kill him, take the medpack, or trap him, he fucking deserves it.
He does however not deserve healthj from enemies he hasn't had part in killing himself though
>>344997858
This.
He's the perfect anti-tank, without him Roadhog would then need a nerf and so on.
>tfw a sub 60 in your competitive game
GO AWAY, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Reaper needs no changes right now. He's just popular because we live in a dual tank meta, and he's the premier tank killer.
>>344998640
Precisely. He's popular because he fulfills his role perfectly, not because he's OP
>>344998803
If anything, other Tank killers should be buffed or reworked
>>344998489
I feel like half of the people who call for nerfs exaggerate, don't think about the consequences and think a character needs a nerf because of anecdotal evidence. (i.e getting stomped by a competent player).
>>344991748
The problem is they nerfed two of his counters, three on console. He's not an issue on his own, his counters just suck.
>>344999128
This, instead of making him suck, why not make other characters good?
>>344999271
balance is relative.
that will lead to power creep.
>>344992103
Invincibility removed? What? What does the ability do then, you suck anon
>>344998148
They've been balancing entirely around competitive and high-end play so far. Ironically this is where Reaper is becoming ubiquitous and overused.
>>344999412
It won't if you can balance a game properly and account for that.
>>344999550
reducing the power of one character is less likely throw off balance than buffing a bunch.
>>344997561
>mei counters like 10 fucking characters youre fucking garbage
This is what a wood tier player would believe literally git gud
>>344991748
I think he's fine. I would like to see his ultimate changed to something more skill-reliant though.
>>344999914
Outside of wombo combos his ulti is countered by awareness
![3c8b904279128de6d88e67709357f479[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Bq46oSS.jpg "3c8b904279128de6d88e67709357f479[1].jpg")
>Reaper is portrayed as edgelord to the point of parody
>All the actual edgelords play Genji, Roadhog and Hanzo
>>345000013
d.va is cute
>>344998984
Well Reaper's the hard counter to Roadhog and roadhog doesnt really take skill to use him so basically if you remove his only hard counter he becomes op
>play competitive yesterday
>somehow get matched up two competitive games in a row with the same person on my team
>they constantly complain that Reaper needs nerfs and blaming the enemy team for having one even when the enemy team are being generally good sports
spare me from the hell of second hand embarrassment
>>344999687
But if you don't balance properly, reducing the power of a character can render them useless.
>>344996624
i'm ok with this
streetpig is only strong on first point dorado
>>345000080
How is Roadhog edgy?
>>345000080
>Not playing Reaper with the Mariachi skin
>>344991748
I'd definitely support shortening the range of his murdercannons.
>>344994802
>>there's literally no reason to pick reaper over mcree
Is this opposite day
>>344991748
more falloff on guns, they can still do okay damage at med long range
or no healthpacks while in wraith, soul orbs ok
Reaper's not the one who needs e nerf, that would be Junkrat.
His grenades should detonate at the end of their timer, not on contact.
>>345000080
One game. There wasn't one single fucking game since I bought overwatch where hanzo was insta picked by a low level shitter who does shit until the end of match
Why? Do all the 12 years old pick him or what?
>>345000721
>Junkrat should be punished for making a direct hit on a hard-to-aim projectile
Reaper is a mistake and should be remade completely. He has no depth.
This isn't some "LOL YOU SUCK AT REAPER" or "YOU MAD?" kinda thing. He's just boring. His playstyle is entirely just "get in their face and shotgun them down." Bonus points if you flank them and then you just Shift out if shit gets too dangerous.
His gameplay design wants to be a hybrid of the TF2 Scout and Spy and I wish they would emphasize this better. Make him faster (give him speed aura-Lucio speed by default), make his teleport faster, shotguns deal more damage, but cut his life health down to balance it out. That would actually be FUN! Because of how slow this game is, his current design is fucking lame. There's no skillful outplaying. You just face-tank people as you shotgun them. There's nothing to it.
>>345000431
>reapositioning
>check my career profile
>I'm down to 20% win rate on Reinhardt and 25% on Soldier
>68% win rate on D.va
there is something very wrong with this game and I have no idea what it is
Has anyone talked about the new hit/hurtbox in the update? Hanzo actually has to aim now.
>>345000991
>bunny hop
>hold m1
>uhoh, better shift and go grab a medpack
>repeat
>>345000991
>*Teleports behind you*
>"From the shadows."
>*Dual shotguns to the face*
>"Heh, nothin' personal, kid."
>*Turn into a ghost and fly away*
>not fun
>>345000991
Reaper is supposed to be a tank killer. He has nothing on long-ranged characters other than an incredibly unreliable teleport.
Saying Reaper is boring is like saying Soldier 76 is boring. Both of the characters are supposed to be entry level heroes that have shortcomings in certain distances but are still well balanced and suited for any team combination.
Not every character needs to have a hard-as-nails Genji/Tracer level difficulty curve behind them.
>>344992103
>Junkrat welcomes this change
>ew
>gross
This is what it looks like for someone who doesn't know how to play as or against a Reaper.
![class_scoutred[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/fClkVRv.png "class_scoutred[1].png")
>>345001283
Go play Scout for a while. Scout is a million times more fun than Reaper.
>>345001147
Literally how.
I'm 57% on both, and I'm trash.
>>345001505
I played a lot of Scout in TF2. If you want Scout, play someone else, Reaper's not supposed to be him.
If you used your scattergun anytime but when you were right in their face, you played Scout wrong. You're supposed to have your pistol out 90% of the time.
>>345000721
It requires the ability to lead your shots against moving targets. Junkrat is really balanced and is in a perfect spot, especially since he's fun as hell to play.
>mfw mine jumping and duking it out with pharah mid-air
>>344992103
1. That's a bit silly.
2. Okay maybe you're not retarded.
3. I take it back! You're fucking retarded!
>>345000819
Honestly I just think junkrat should get damaged from his own shit. He'd be perfectly balanced in my mind. Except maybe from his shift. but his normal shots for sure
Tired of trying to exist in a close quartered tunnel and he instagibs within 2 seconds and gets off scot free at 100%
>>345002021
He already does though. They deal up to 40 damage to him per hit.
>>345002021
Junkrat is damaged by his left click, and his ult..
Have you never actually played him or something?
>>345002021
junkrats grenades do hurt him, only the C4 doesnt
>>345002083
>>345002112
Ancedotal evidence maybe, but I've never seen this happen playing as him or against him. I've never adjusted my shots to make sure they don't damage me, and i've never noticed being damaged by them
>>345002204
Nigga.. Go and test it out right now. You're acting like a fucking tard.
>>345002204
It happened to me literally today.
Just choose Junkrat, and shoot some nades at your feat dude.
>>345002204
It definitely happens a lot, especially if you're actually playing as him.
Never confront people in tight corners.
Whenever I see a Reaper run at my team I just back off and let him death blossom so I can gun him down mid-ult then rez my team and it works almost every time unless their widowmaker or hanzo are paying attention to what i'm doing.
Is there a better feeling than this?
>>345002204
I think the anon means that they should explode on contact with the Junk that fired them instead of running out of time and then exploding.
Its fucking Pharah self damage thats fucked, as soon as one sees your almost dead most of them toss all attempts at aiming out the window and just drop down to face fuck you because the self damage on rockets is non-existent.
Fucking hell, trust /v/ to want to mess with one of the only actually balanced characters in the game.
He has so many counters, any ranger like pharah or widow, mcree's flashbang, an equally skilled genji, mei.
Roadhogs who can hook well also push his shit in.
He's a flanker who can only operate at an incredibly close range - his design is to pick off people who separate and leave via wraith when the team arrives to deal with him.
Reaper is as close to a perfectly balanced character OW is going to get and if you can't deal with him it's literally on you as a player and you need to GIT GUD.
>>344991817
>>344992103
Samefag
No. Reaper is probably the most balanced character in the game.
Mcree needs an audio-visual cue for throwing his stun grenade though.
>>345001648
>You're supposed to have your pistol out 90% of the time.
You're crazy, dog.
You will die if you just blindly run into a Soldier, Pyro, Demo, Heavy, or Engineer's face for a meaty point-blank range scattergun shot a lot of the time (flanking and catching them off guard is the way to do it), but your "use the pistol 90% of the time statement" is a joke. You want to jump around like 20-30 feet away from them dodging their projectiles and being outside of flamethrower range and you hit them for ~60 damage hits with your scattergun at this range. This damage is far more consistent than your inaccurate as fuck pistol.
>>345002609
maybe killing him long before he ever gets to that position?
>dude lets make this character who counters half the cast not have any counters lmao
>>345000080
>>345002609
Yes its noticing the Mercy running away to hide, changing course mid-spooky ghost and solo ulting her cunt face. Then killing her entire team because they were'nt paying attention.
Beat that feel.
>>345002691
If I kill him before and I can see the death blossom coming then he'll just try again, it's usually better to let him waste it since I can just undo it and get my ult up faster than he can get his up.
>>345002809I'm not even the spooky ghost man in this scenario and I love that feeling.
>>345002657
>Mcree needs an audio-visual cue for throwing his stun grenade though.
Whoa there
>>344991748
He shouldn't be able to heal from health packs in Wraith Form, only souls.
Otherwise he's fine, maybe even make Wraith faster to compensate.
>>345002259
>>345002268
Yes it does, but only based off of the timer. I'm saying explode on impact. It's kinda wonky when i'd rather face 10 reapers than 1 junkrat in a narrow corridor or close quarters. It's extremely hard to kill a junkrat before he kills you in those conditions
outside of being a tank obviously
>>345002670
If you're flanking, sure, maybe, but if you're mid-range, and the enemy sees you, you'd be retarded to scattergun them from across the bridge on 2fort.
>>344994590
Is that the fucking Corvo mask?
>>345001486
>CUMMIES
>SONICHU
>XXGETSHREKEDXX
So is the fan worth using on Mcree at all?
Also is Zenyatta a cool dude now?
>Zenyatta, McCree, D.Va buffed.
>Mercy Damage boost being put back to what it used to be.
>Hitboxes made more in line with character models.
>1 character limit in comp.
This is going to be a great patch.
>>345000080
Edgelords don't play Genji, its the highly strung try hard whiny bitch class of choice.
>>345002919
So you're telling me that a character who can regularly kill himself should be nerfed because he isn't killing himself every time?
Because that's clinically retarded.
>>344992103
>2. Speed boost removed on Wraith.
>3. Invincibility removed on Wraith.
so wraith does nothing now?
what the fuck are you smoking?
>>345003016
>>Mercy Damage boost being put back to what it used to be.
where'd people see this? I didn't see anything on the blog about that
reaper is cute
>>345003065
he wants one.
That being said, if you took off the invincibilty, it would just be a 5% speed boost where you can't shoot. Which would probably make it the worst ability in the game by a long shot.
>>345002893
Does he actually say that every time as he's throwing it?
I honestly never noticed.
>>344992103
>health lowered to 200
this would make him so squishy he's not really useful. There's abilities and heroes that can keep him out of range.
>speed boost removed on wraith
I can understand this but it also hurts wraith form's ability as an escape tool, what it's intended for
>Invincibility removed on wraith
are you stupid
>>345003146
Read the patch notes again.
Damage boost is 50% now, but doesn't stack with multiple Mercy's.
>>345002948
"Across the bridge" on 2fort is much much further than that vague aforementioned range I mentioned. You're only going to hit for like 10-20 damage (tops) with your Scattergun from that distance. That is not the range you should be fighting at. 2fort is a bad example. It's such an enclosed map that you're going to have problems going on killing sprees with Scout. The best use of Scout on 2fort is just to grab the intel.
>>345003146
The lead designer was on a stream and talking about what was coming in the future.
He said Mercy's damage boost was being put back to 30%, they may change Zenyatta's health from 200 to 175. That they were working on 4 new maps and a new game mode and new costumes were going to come out before the end of summer.
>>345002919
all explosives can hurt the person shooting them, and it will deal 40 damage and drop off. I've killed myself loads of times as Pharah, Junkrat, and Zarya with my explosive rounds.
>>345003237
On a stream he said the team was putting it back to 30%.
>>345003054
No. I'm saying that junkrat should be weaker in CC than he is at range, which isn't very true currently. I'm not saying he's OP, but it's pretty brainlessly easy to kill people who are extremely close to you with little to no repercussion. Any 200 or less character will die to one bomb and the c4.
>>345003240
>2fort is a bad example.
I'm just using 2fort's bridge as a reference for range. I don't pull out my scattergun unless I'm within that range from someone, otherwise I pistol them while side-strafing if they turn around and see me.
>>345003408
>No. I'm saying that junkrat should be weaker in CC than he is at range, which isn't very true currently.
It's very true. The sheer fact that he can kill himself makes that true. If my C4 isn't up when someone gets in my face in a tight area, I usually die, if not to them, then myself. Most of the time, i just throw down my trap and hope my passive takes them out with me.
>>345003293
Zenyatta should be put back to 150, but should keep the new speed at which Harmony/Discord take effect. Any more than that with a Sym/Torb health buff and he becomes unstoppable.
>>345003580
Well I'll concede then, he's a uncommon pick for me so I guess I don't have the experience.
But If I had a dollar for everytime I turned a corner and got hit by a bomb + thrown c4 and died within a second with junkrat 5 feet from me at 100% i'd quit my day job
I've had more fun on the PTR and seen a greater variety of Characters selected than I had for the last two weeks of the main game. Ana aside all of the heroes were being choosen and fooled around with.
Now it looks like all the awesome shit is going to get taken away. Its awful.
>>345003849
>all the awesome shit is going to get taken away
What are you refering to?
>>345001505
Play Genji then, asswipe
>>345003915
Really mainly just the Zen health. Its fucking amazing being able to play Zen again finally. All three of his changes are amazing quality of life changes. I do not feel like he can just run over every other class I think hes in a really fucking good position.
Like what exactly is all that wrong with just having a healer that can kill people? I mean do people who play Battlefield get really fucking angry about being killed by a medic in that?
>>345003849
People want to find the best ways to counter the changes and stuff, it makes sense. Right now it seems the best counters to nano boost are Ana's own sleep dart and junkrat's trap.
Hopefully they'll tone down her ult gain when she goes live, because it is fucking insane right now.
>>345003581
the orb thing is nice but not a huge nerf
id take 150hp again if he got movespeed though
>>345004182
They only mentioned cutting it by 75.
>>345004281
I mean cutting it to 175.
>>345004182
I mean Zen is about as much of a healer as Soldier 76 if you're playing him correctly.
>>345004382
>>345004182
I can see, and understand, cutting Zen back to 175, they want him to be squishier than the other characters, since he can do so much without having to take his attention away from any one thing, but they need to balance it out with him actually being able to survive.
I do think that 200 is the right amount though. I'd have to see how 175 feels if they change it on ptr.
But just the orb speed changes alone make things so much better.
>>345004602
His health used to be 150. It's still a buff of 25 more health from live.
>>345000080
But Genji is like ninja buddhist
he had the robots crawling in my skin before but then zenny pointed out that he now had the world's greatest ass and he grew out of it.
Lets just nerf everybody while were at it
>50 more hp than all of the other offensive heroes for no fucking reason
>teleports behind enemy team
>press Q
>kill everyone
>press shift and literally become invincible while still being able to move and pick up health packs
>can shit on most other attack heroes at close range
>people still defend that he's balanced
>>345007592
>Complaining about his telegraphed as fuck teleport and his easy to stop ult.
>>345007592
yeah but when do you ever see anybody playing him that effectively? a couple days ago, I had a teammate playing as Reaper was complaining that nobody was taking out the turrets when that his fucking job for christ sake
Every SINGLE FUCKING DAY
EVERY DAY YOU NIGGERS MAKE THIS THREAD
EVERY DAY YOU SAY NERF """"""CHARACTER""""""""
FUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>>344991748
His health is a little high considering he also heals after every kill
In this thread shitters have no idea how to balance. Watch and have fun while people say dumb shit.
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No fuck off. Reaper is one of the better balanced heroes in the game, people are just too retarded in pubs to exploit his glaring flaws.
>People who ignore the extremely loud DEATH COMES audio cue and do nothing about it
>People who don't use voice chat to point out the completely obvious Reaper trying to get behind the team
>People who don't use some form of escape or CC when Reaper is on their ass
>People who follow wraith form into a corridor
>People who backpedal ult without trying to kill Reaper, the stationary target
These type of people are the ones demanding Reaper nerfs, their opinion should always be discredited.
>>345000762
They want to be Seagull
>>344991748
Tracer is just straight up better.
Reaper eats tanks faster, but he dies easy.
Tracer effectively has 300 hp and is the most mobile character in the game.
>>344999459
>This is where Reaper is becoming ubiquitous and overused.
No.
http://www.planetoverwatch.org/18-overwatch-tier-list-and-meta-report-a-meta-out-of-time
All you are angry because he's a simple easy character that can be easy to dominate with. Truth is he's used so much because he's the only character since Mcree's nerf that can eat tanks. Which is why tanks are so powerful right now.
If you nerf him tanks WILL take over the game. He's balanced and we'll see less of him since Zenyatta is being buffed as there will be more than one viable tank counter than just one character.
>>345003016
Zenyattaa is perfected now.
The problem isn't that Reaper is OP, its just that his supposed "counter" has been nerfed to uselessness in fighting him. McCree was supposed to be the anti-flanker. But with his nerf he can't kill half of the flanker characters with his stun-FTH combo anymore. Reaper can wraith away, Genji can deflect away, Tracer can teleport away, Mei can self-freeze, etc.
Since McCree's role is now "be a worse version of Soldier", Reaper doesn't really have too many problems when flanking.
>>345002791
I wonder how many of those are real or just guys taking the piss
>people actually complaining about his teleport and easily counterable ult
his ult is pretty much RIP-tire that damages over time, isnt nearly as mobile, and has 150 more HP, and can be CC'd.
>>345010960
I see Mcree making a comeback with his effective range buff, the nerf to CoD, the 1 shot capabilitiea to 200hp with mercy, and that he can has one of the few hard ccs for nanoboost
>>345010960
Psst, shoot them once first, then do the combo.
>>344991748
I think he's fine for the most part. Just a cheap character that pisses me off. I refused to play him forever, then picked him up one game for the hell of it. Realized why I hate him. Literal retards can play well with him.
>>345011095
It's like a rip-tire that suddenly appears inside of you without warning. I don't need to explain how hard it is to stay aware of your surroundings 100% of the time, especially considering the rest of your team isn't even in voice chat.
Soldier 76 and Bastion are the only niggas I got a problem with desu senpai
>>345001437
>Tracer
>difficulty curve
>>345003016
>We want mercy to not rely on her gun for offense so her damage boost is now 50%
>but 50% is too strong, so we are reverting it right back to what it was
So they think don't want mercy to rely on her gun for offense, but aren't willing to change her boost.
Why are they so reluctant to experiment with different values?
>>345000762
i think the hanzo problem has everything to do with his skill cap. When the Hitbox nerfs come to live, this should improve- because the shitlords that instalock him certainly won't.
>>345010960
>He hasn't played PTR McCree.
>>345011642
They did and they found that with the 50% McCree and Torbjorn could one shot headshot people from across the map.
>>345011264
I had a similiar experience, I have a "friend" who considers himself a high tier LoL player and I said I thought Reaper was too easy. He told me it isn't as easy as it looks since he has to get close. So I decided to try him
>killing spree
>killing spree
>PotG
Anytime someone almost killed me I would ghost away.
>>345011219
>>345011224
meh he's still a worse Soldier. They seem to want him now in a midrange skirmisher role, but Soldier will always do better at that, since he can get into fights quicker, heal himself, and do high burst damage with rockets.
>inb4 click heads, aim better etc.
If you can aim, you're still better off picking Soldier 99% of the time.
>>345012073
The point was to then try 45/40/35.
Don't immediately go back to 30%, because then you still have the original issue of mercy relying on her gun
>>344997561
r/overwatch is the other tab broham
>>345010214
>>People who ignore the extremely loud DEATH COMES audio cue and do nothing about it
Reaper is extremely loud in general. Half the time I think I'm being sneaky only to have the enemy turn around and kill me while I'm still 10 feet away. Then as I watch the kill cam I hear his heavy footsteps you'd have to be deaf not to hear. I also had this happen to me earlier today:
>sneaking up on the attacking team pushing the cart
>get hit by a stray bullet from a tracer that was zipping around
>Reaper screams UAGH! at the top of his lungs
>enemy team turns around and erases me
this nigger is supposed to be some ex-black ops secret agent but I cant imagine how he got the job done with how fucking loud he is
>>344997916
I'd accept that change
>>345002791
>ovenjew1942
/pol/ reportin
The only thing that necessarily bugs me about Reaper is the fact that his ultimate is a sphere, not a circle, but even then, that doesn't need to be nerfed. The only thing I could see reasonable in nerfing Reaper is maybe make his guns a little less powerful from long range, as he's supposed to be a short range character, but even then he's pretty balanced.
Most of the times where I think a character needs to be "nerfed" is when I get killed repeatedly from them - but then I just realized that maybe the other player is good, or I'm playing at a hard disadvantage. Reaper is definitely one of those cases - you think he's super powerful, then you realize you were playing a squishy character in a tight coridor with Reaper standing right behind you.
The only beneficial nerfs I have found so far is Mccree's fan the hammer, and Widowmaker not being so powerful (ie oneshotting Zen), but even then, I feel that Mccree's nerf was a tad too strong for what they were trying to make it out to be. Nerfs can be incredibly game changing, which is why I feel that they shouldn't be changed unless they're a huge issue, like Mccree mowing down tanks in the long run.
>>345012597
Also, in canon doesn't he regularly die and/or tear his flesh to mist form then reassemble himself? He should have a high pain tolerance by now. I don't mean that in the sense of increasing his health, just the noises he makes
Reaper is literally the best character
>>345012362
They probably did test it internally.
>>344991748
I wish he wasn't immune to Roadhog combo, but I think he's fine the way he is.
>>345000819
>punished
Just not rewarded.
He doesn't get punished wildly spamming nades everywhere. Why does he get rewarded for direct hits?
Either they don't explode at all until the time runs out or they should have only one bounce before detonating. You can make them faster to make up for it.
>>345012318
Soldier just got his accuracy with his gun shredded though as burst fire no longer prevents recoil buildup
>>345013197
He doesn't tear his flesh he just turns to mist. He cells are constantly dying and regenerating.
>>345013483
Oh, would he even feel pain then at that rate?
>>345013359
if they did, why did they ever release 50% to begin with?
>>345013398
They should keep direct hits exploding on impact, but greatly (as in double or more) extend the timer on misses. No more blind nade spam over a wall.
>>345013598
I don't know if he feels anything. It's why he can't die, he sometimes says "This is my curse." When respawning.
>>344997001
>Except this one time
isn't an argument and also no you haven't
Really enjoying all those Reaper play of the games where he's shooting people from long range. Oh wait those don't fucking exist
How do you guys like Overwatch? debating on picking up a new game today and looking into this
>>345014162
Maybe that is why he is so loud, he steps harder because he is trying to feel his feet, and he screams out because he can't feel his wounds
>this thread
t. tank mains
Fuck I how I hate you fucking Overwatch fags. Jesus fucking christ.
Everything is a complaint, everything needs to be nerfed, and every time a nerf issue is presented you have to bring up the "y-yeah... that's why he's in every game now HUH!???"
You, the waifufags, and the memesters with the umaru-chan D.Va makes me wish I can refund this piece of shit. Man was this a fucking mistake.
>>345015018
>>345004602
Where does it say that they're going to cut his hp down to 175?
>>345015118
they did a stream recently taking about the ptr changes, mercy going back 30% attack buff and zenny 175hp was the talking points.
>>345014582
seriously, I have never seen so many people disillusioned thinking playing tanks would mean they would be hard to kill. People in this thread ACTUALLY BELIEVE Reaper is an effective long range shooter.
>>344991748
Reaper doesn't need anything changes, his Wraithform ability needs some tweaking
>>345015018
Not all of us are like this, the vocal ones who call for big nerfs to things that aren't broken are almost invariably terrible at the game.
>maybe less health
>on a character who's main damage is in the face of enemies
>even mid range he is useless
fucking retards
>>345002791
>Atheismo
>Dark Luigi
>ITT: Tank mains believing pic related is the reticle of a character with "long range"
>>345015018
*lesbo waifufags
especially the pharamercy keks.
>>344991748
He needs to be knocked down a peg, Two reapers on Lijang is the worst fucking thing to ever exist
>>345013928
How does that hurt him?
It's just more shit on the ground you have to watch out for.
His splash damage was always shit, it's the direct hits that fuck people.
>>344991748
These threads just makes me convinced that people suck at the game
>being unable to take advantage of how fucking loud reaper is
>being unable to take advantage of how reliant reaper is on getting close to people to kill them
fucking get good
>>344991748
OP is a defense main confirmed. Next he'll bitch about how Genji has an OP ultimate, how his dash reset is broken, and how he shouldn't be allowed so much maneuverability.
>>345015018
>>344991748
>One of the highest average damage outputs in the game
>Ult that turns every character to dust in less than a second
>Escape that beats every damaging ability in the game including ults
>Can pick up health with increased speed during it
>Highest health in class because lol
>Regain health himself making him a one man army
Yes he needs to be nerfed hard. He's a fucking joke of a character.
>>345010214
His self heal gives a little too much and his Wraithform is fucking annoying
If you gain the advantage or outsmart a reaper he will just nothing personell away to a healthpack or behind teammates
He has shotguns, so he sucks at long range, it's not that hard, fgt.
>>345015951
>Ult that turns every character to dust in less than a second
Fi, fi, fo, fum, I smell sub 50 shitter scum.
>>345016105
His weakness is that he needs to get close to do his thing. Git gud.
>>345015351
It's fucking true. If anything more buffs are need than nerfs.
>>345016306
You can't really distance yourself when you have a point to defend
especially if it's Iljang and all he has to do is teleport and turn a corner
>playing ptr
>bastion on my team says hes a friendly
>does nothing but say hello to the enemy team the entire match
FUCK NO
THEY ARE MIGRATING FROM TF2 TO RUIN THIS GAME
>>345016939
When will the "avoid this player" option return?
if you get long queue times, it's your own fault
>>345017146
Not if people are avoiding you because you are kicking their ass.
>>345017146
They decided "avoid this player" is a toxic option
:^)
where the fuck are the summer skins
>>345014582
sleep tight reap tight
>>345015018
I find it likely that these threads are really just "lets talk about character X threads." Most threads are going to slide if the OP isn't shitposting or bait.
>>345016939
The $60 price tag helped none
MOBA shitters who think their meta still applies and report people for being toxic
CoD and Battlefield players who cannot grasp the idea of team composition and strategy and do wacky shenanigans in comp like 6 D.Va
TF2 fags complaining about how TF2 is better
>>345014582
sleep tight reap tight
>>345000762
>pick him once
>can't play sniper because my hand shakes a lot
>end up running around spamming arrows like a retard
>never play him again
basically my experience with hanzo overall
>>344991748
Stupid tank main.
So we can all agree the 2 heroes that need something changed to make them better are Mei and Bastion right?
The problem is both of these heroes do really well in pubs against non organized teams, so how do we improve them without making them destroy new players?
>>345018005
No because according to another thread Mei is OP >>345001194
WHAT FUCKING IS IT YOU FUCKTARDS? OP OR NOT OP??
Only time I have an issue with Reaper is when a team has more than one. That shit is annoying.
>>345014582
sleep tight reap tight
