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Seems like S-Purple fucked over the whole crew of Breeding Season and killed the project, having in his contract that he can take all the art he made whenever he wants.
Looking at vanillycheesecake's Tumblr shows that the whole thing was fucked over for some time now, giving her a huge bulk of whatever S was supposed to be doing.
So, anons, seems like your favorite Patreon horse fucking game got done, because when they started, they had no idea how to build a dev team, even for an indie game.
http://breedingseasongame.blogspot.com/2016/07/breeding-season-is-over-s-purple-has.html?zx=bec405f8e30c4969
http://vanillycheesecake.tumblr.com/post/147388687000/regarding-breeding-season
Good
>favorite Patreon horse fucking game got done
Not even close to a favorite game
>>344976996
>your favorite Patreon
But that's not SjindoL's patreon.
>Vladimir Sandler
If that is his real name, why the fuck would anyone trust him in the first place?
>>344976996
I want those boobes on my dick
>all those tears of retards that threw money at them
>>344977349
Well, /v/ already trusted and fell in love with one Russian guy who made a hentai game, why wouldn't they suck a cock of another one?
>>344976996
>this anon doesn't know about the free yiffalicious game
This shit has been a disaster for a while
People in over their heads with no concept of time management
>>344976996
Regardless of who did what between him and Bomb, Schwig is a triple nigger for working on another project of his own - and have other people participating without being aware it's a different thing - while still on payroll for breeding season.
Beyond a dickmove, it's swindling and to top it off he's even making sure the project has zero chance of carrying out bu pulling out all the assets he made.
>>344976996
Did that guy who got into the dropbox ever post his stuff?
torrent?
>>344977553
go to the /dgg/ thread
Seems like this is what S has been working on and where he took his assets to.
https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow
>>344977546
Dude what the fuck. Spoiler that picture.
>>344977657
I know he wronged people, and should never be trusted, but this looks so promising! Time to donate another $40,000 per month.
>>344977736
t. patreon crowd
>>344977657
>these arms
What
>>344977657
if this reaches the 9k they all deserved getting "robbed" over all these months
is there any version beyon 6.3.1? that was the last one i've downloaded
Oh noes, guys, seems like SOMEHOW all the assets got leaked!
https://mega.nz/#!IAQHDQDY!nZlPPeLbBmfKIgLcQYe3iIpH87-qzGa9f6EUKKq5ljc
Downloading right now, can't wait to see if it's more dolphin porn.
Did the mega link get posted last night?
I cannot wrap my head around why this literal jew didn't keep milking this shit to the end.
Do patreon people even have a legal obligation to deliver anything? I thought it's just a site for goodwill donations.
Coworker's comments on the thing
>>344977349
He was also the guy who made the really elaborate BroQuest art back in the day.
It's good to know that game would've never been finished, either.
I still don't understand why this had 34k a month, there were so many other patreons releasing actual animation/artwork that had under a $1000 and stuff you could insta fap to.
>>344977915
Are the games included or is it just sprites, backgrounds and shit?
>>344976996
>Seems like S-Purple fucked over the whole crew of Breeding Season and killed the project
Breeding Season killed itself by being a horrible mess of a production that couldn't get out of alpha in 3 years.
It's a goddamn titty game.
Also the gameplay was atrocious in every single incarnation. The art is really all it had going for it.
>>344978139
and the artist fucked them over
>>344978079
But it was never supposed to be a game in the first place only idea guys thought of it
>People actually gave them money
>>344978307
He just took Old Yeller to the shed and shot it. He did them a favor.
>trusting artists
>on the internet
>>344978115
The game is included yes. Just open the swf.
As an artfag, I wouldn't have sold the assets either.
Keeping the rights to your work for yourself, not getting paid immediately but also thus letting them be legally used for a different project is infinitely better than someone else continuing to make regular revenue from your assets in exchange for a one time payment or royalties that are less than what the work is worth.
Also another thing to consider, if all the ART assets for your game or most of them were suddenly unusable and thus destroys all the progress on the game then there perhaps wasn't much game you had at that point. That's why placeholders exist, that's why the ALPHA stage of game development is defined as "feature complete" meaning the gameplay and features are locked to what is supposed to be the final product by the end of it.
From what I see this entire development progress was like if you spent the entire time making finished high poly 3D models and polished final animations for your game while there is no gameplay framework to put them on or at the very least there are isolated slices of the instances where those are used. There have been so many fucking games that get cancelled precisely because they spent so much time on assets and animation it was the engine or buggy code that fucked them over. Revising art or assets is infinitely easier than revising gameplay and code. This is like an FPS programmer complaining he can't do his job because he's waiting on the gun models to be finished.
>>344978484
he was the rabies.
the project would have been fine if he wasnt a prick
>>344978307
There were two other artists. The whole "B-bb-b-but I can't do it all myself!" and "I-I-I can't make m-m-m-mm-more than 2 animations that are just fucking tweening body pieces together in 5 months!!!" excuses are total bullshit. Literally every one on the team was a lazy piece of shit riding the money train.
>>344978539
>As an artfag, I wouldn't have sold the assets either.
This is why most jobs have a contract that says art produced belongs to them in the first place.
The longest running scam in internet history, the greatest evil of our times, over. As if it never existed in the first place.
Let this be a lesson to actually fill your game with content instead of "fixing" the miniscule amount you already have a bajillion times.
>TFW never donated to ANYONE and feel glad about it
>post yfw you didn't support Breeding Season
>>344978115
>>344977915
Seems to be legit
>>344978709
>Scam
That implies they were obligated to do any work.
Patreon just means free donations to do whatever they want.
Even Kickstarter is more reliable.
>>344977929
Probably up his own ass thinking he was the only thing keeping the ship floating and they were tagging along for free money
Or that this new project would bring more in
Knowing backstabbing jews though I imagine he would at least try to have both going at once.
>>344978539
You'll never have an actual say in this buck'o
Look, l'm not exaggerating here: if you donated to this, you were a retard. This isn't a case of hindsight or anything, you knew the fucking track record. You were thinking with your dick instead of your brain like some kind of downie.
>>344978748
>buying porn
More stupid than buying music
>itunesgiftcardfaggit.jpg
>>344978702
Because you can't trust artfags
I'm glad companies take their content and ideas because they are all back stabbing jackasses that will screw over you as soon as possible
>>344976996
pink hair loli looked cute tho
Nothing wrong with supporting people with throwing a dollar at something that COULD be good but some were dumb enough to believe patreon should work like kickstarter by throwing 50$+ for it
Good riddance. Hopefully people would realize that shithole of a funding site is retarded for projects like these. There was no reason for this game to get 35 fucking k a month. The ones funding this are the biggest retards here.
>>344978889
My dick has taste.
It wouldn't donate to it either, especially when there were other means of getting the alpha versions.
>>344978539
>From what I see this entire development progress was like if you spent the entire time making finished high poly 3D models and polished final animations for your game while there is no gameplay framework to put them on or at the very least there are isolated slices of the instances where those are used. There have been so many fucking games that get cancelled precisely because they spent so much time on assets and animation it was the engine or buggy code that fucked them over. Revising art or assets is infinitely easier than revising gameplay and code. This is like an FPS programmer complaining he can't do his job because he's waiting on the gun models to be finished.
Sounds just like that space game
what was it called? sun citizen? star pleb? I can't remember
>>344977915
>bandwidth quota exceeded
c-can someone make a torrent out of this please?
>One Japanese NEET can render an entire game in a year and still release demos
>Project by full team with 32K a month cant get out of alpha
POST YOUR FACES
>Donating to this
There's literal hundreds of Japanese H games coming out each month, and many of them with better art and gameplay than this shit, why the fuck would you throw money at these fags when they failed to deliver anything in 3 years?
>>344979224
That happens when passion drives you more than money
>>344976996
>giving money on patreon
Literally worse than Kickstarter
>>344976996
>http://vanillycheesecake.tumblr.com/post/147388687000/regarding-breeding-season
>Especially in the case of our lead developer who consistently promised milestones and would fail to deliver.
Haha, that's rich. So it was both the artist and the dev's fault that this game tanked.
>>344979226
Just the fact that it was being made by Westerners should have been all the clue you needed to know that this project would just drag it's feet for a few years and then vanish in a puff of smoke (along with all your money).
The only project in the works right now that looks even remotely promising is Monster Girl Island, and even that I'm not giving a dime until it's done.
>>344978079
I actually made a little dungeon crawler using the sprites and a AT battle system, was kinda cool but decided better to change it since people kept saying Shwig would nuke any game that used anything Broquest.
>>344979102
There is nothing wrong with Patreon in particular, as long as people take it for what it is; a glorified tipping jar, and not an actual trading place.
>>344979406
Who said that only one party was at fault in here everyone contributed to this clusterfuck
>>344979224
>some Japanese NEETs even release more than a game per year and still release some extra free content
loving every laugh
>>344978539
>Revising art or assets is infinitely easier than revising gameplay and code.
I REALLY don't think that's the case for a game like Breeding Season. The whole thing is just clicking menus.
Apparently they as a group got paid almost $400k over three years to make something that looks like what I could have done in a week or two on a ber and pizza budget. Makes me want to get into the Patreon porn hustle.
Never forget
>There are retards on /v/ that literally gave hundreds of dollars to this
No sympathy for you gullible dumbfucks
>>344976996
I remember trying it and gameplay was shit. Can you fug the pink tittymonster? Is there any wincest?
>>344976996
I seriously don't understand what the fuck S-Purple was even thinking. The only thing he has accomplished doing this shit was throwing whatever little reputation he had down the drain and painting a gigantic target on his head for everyone to throw their criticisms at. I've already seen quite a few artists onTumblrcall him out for his debauchery, some particularly popular ones too, like Doxy.
This shitshow of a development process is why proper project management is so important
>get +$30k/month
>there were Kickstarter games that have been made with less than what they get per month
>they still somehow couldn't make it
Jesus.
>People who woud actully see a project to the end always end up with small funding
>People who are idea guys and jump around projects gets 12k funding
>>344979610
Schwinged
The more I see shit like this happen, the more I am convinced /a/ got lucky with KS
One of the comments in that blogpost had me puzzled for ages
>If one NEET in Japan can crank out and code a lewd game in a year, or one guy can crank out a full rendered demo every few months, but a group of "artists" can't make decent progress with proper funding then there was a larger problem here, even before he dipped out.
What the FUCK is wrong with western devs/artists in porn? Why are they so fucking lazy and entitled?
You see on g.ehentai some western fat gimp pump out 1 page for his shit porn comic a month, and a jap would have an ENTIRE comic out in the same time. It's absurd.
>>344979810
Unity through waifus anon
>>344979224
it took that catgirl game like 4 years to come out
>>344979000
I give money to artists I like (i.e. I give money to artists who do loli porn). Also to those faggots who made Momodora and to ToadyOne.
They deserve it because the west needs to step up its loli game and because I fucking love DF to death.
>>344976996
How isn't this classified as an actual scam? Granted, whoever actually paid for porn deserved getting fucked, but I'm just curious.
>hired a guy from broquest
>surprised when he takes the money and runs
>all of those retards who gave them money
>>344979810
The team all hated each other and disbanded the second the game came out
>>344979885
It came out, didn't it?
That's more than you can say for this game
>>344979861
>You see on g.ehentai some western fat gimp pump out 1 page for his shit porn comic a month, and a jap would have an ENTIRE comic out in the same time.
To be fair, mangakas have crazy hectic work schedules. Could you manage to do this on a weekly basis?
>>344979610
>>344979804
Schwindled
>>344979930
Patreon is a glorified tip jar it's not the site's fault that someone decided to run away with the tip jar's content
why complete a project when you're already getting paid?
>>344979917
source me up on that, guy, I have a craving.
>>344979917
>I give money to artists I like (i.e. I give money to artists who do loli porn).
My African American brotherNow what's the source on that image so I can throw money at them
>>344979945
Not too surprising since I did hear that one guy enforced a tight schedule to ensure shit got done. At least they released a fully-finished product though.
>>344979861
Seems to be a problem with liberals/leftists in general
>>344980019
>3 hours of free time a week
jesus christ
>>344980019
>three full hours of free time on saturday
lazy fucks, no wonder they get no work done.
>>344979930
The contract was set up so that half the money and pretty much all the art assets belonged to him so it's pretty much legal that he can take it all and run.
Although he did have people who were working on breeding season do work for his new game without telling them what they were actually working on, which is illegal
>>344977448
But we always shat on akabur. Because of his russian bullshit and such.
>>344976996
Posting it again
>dev makes shitty poor decisions
>does not want to man up and take responsibility for his own fucks up
>other guy did something bad but was only enabled because of the devs fuck up
>unprofessionally uses scape goat tactic
Every fucking time. It's like once a month of a dev says "X game is done because of X reason that IS NOT MY FAULT even though the reason it even happen was through my own actions I am quitting the game and if you need someone to blame its everyone except for me"
Every fucking time. Like grow up and take SOME responsibility here. You are trying to make a game for profit, you can never say "oh man I didn't know my game was gonna get this big :O!" like that just shows how poorly planned it was to begin with. Why not just hire another person to keep this going? I figure he is going to lose more money by not finishing this as it obviously has popularity. I mean shit I guess you just got to know when to fold them sometimes.
>>344979224
https://enty.jp/en/
Japanese do not venture outside of visual novels or rpgmaker
that one NEET who made liru is a unique individual
>>344977721
The people must know.
>>344980019
Well you are talking about proffesional mangakas, pretty sure he meant the kind of people who draw lewd doujins a month before comiket
>>344979930
>How isn't this classified as an actual scam?
People with real jobs don't know or care about what happens in the low end of the digital market for porn games.
>>344979945
That only makes it better, despite personal differences they still worked together to ensure a complete game would come out
So has there ever been a completed patreon porn game?
I hope a lawsuit and court hearing(s) is made over this
I want to see what the judge has to think and have them showing pornographic furry images in court
it would be amazing
>>344980019
a work schedule like that is fucking retarded
you lose productivity by pushing people to ridiculous levels like that, you don't gain it.
They make more mistakes, doze off, can't concentrate, and never get inspired
The only way crazy long schedules with little sleep ever work, is when the person themself is so excited/inspired that they do it. We've all had some of that inspiration before, and we all know you can't do it forever or regularly.
>>344980076
X-Mantis, the same dude who made those 3DCG bkub Chen videos (https://youtu.be/kYLfQoXoOFk).
>>344980325
Yeah. It's called "Your Mom".
That sucks.
The game seemed to be spiralling for the last year or so, changing but not really progressing.
I kind always expected that some day it would get done, I really liked the idea of it.
Very sad. And annoyed when some idiots run off with a bunch of money and get to feel clever to themselves about being evil fucks.
>>344976996
the dev is a lazy sack of shit, i'm not surprised.
>>344980185
The thing is, actual malice is worse than incompetence.
>>344980357
sounds great, tell us more
The biggest dick move was not selling the assets to the guy, I mean geez s-purple come on.
>>344980206
And that lets them put out 3-4 releases each year with lots of art and sometimes lots of custom assets, all done in a group of 2-3 people and thats WITHOUT being constantly funded by patrons
>>344980019
>not having a fuck-ton of helpers
Granted, quality goes down but I'm 99% sure the quality of life goes way the fuck up. Also, having a monthly release probably helps too.
>>344980393
They're basically indistinguishable from each other in outcome. The only difference between the two is intent.
>>344980019
But these are freelance NEETs, not full time mangaka that work for someone. What they do is usually a labor of love. There are some in it for money, but even they are leagues better than western smut peddlers, because they understand they have to please the customers. The only artists in the west who actually deliver are furry porn artists.
>>344980341
Who knows? He might be jerking off during the storyboard phase, visit cafes and screw around. Ideas don't come out right away.
>>344979610
Stop trying to change the language, autismo.
Is shoulderon gaiden also dead?
>>344980507
And intent matters.
Also incompetence slows the process, malice can destroy it.
>>344980424
He wants the game dead.
Are there any sexy fun games similar to breeding season out at all? Preferably ones that don't come with a load of shit drama like this. Honestly it's like being back at school
>People pinning all the blame on Vladimir Putin
>Not realizing that HBomb was literally the worst project manager ever who was more concerned with his swimming in money rather than direct and support and his employees
>>344980347
>searhc X-Mantis
>serach Primantis
>can only find a closing patreon and none of his lewd art
What a fucking shame
Did people really think this would go anywhere?
>>344980325
Akabur is slow as shit, but has delivered on Princess Trainer Gold. Witch Trainer is technically finished, though lacking in content.
There is also the guy who made Corrupting the Priestess
>>344980641
It's Mantis-X, my bad.
https://www.patreon.com/Mantis_X
>>344977980
WHY IN THE HELL DIDN'T THEY GET ANOTHER ARTIST/S THAT ACTUALLY WORKED ON THE FUCKING GAME?
THEY HAD 25K PER MONTH FOR GOD'S SAKE, PUT YOUR FUCKING SHIT TOGETHER.
>>344980635
He claims Vlad wouldn't let him.
>>344980313
Although the quality was fairly questionable with cases of people literally sabotaging characters/assets of things they didn't like.
>>344980597
>>344980507
>>344980393
fucking weebs
Damn, but it was to be expected considering how slowly development was going
>>344980635
Everyone who didn't join just now knows HBomb is to blame, Shwig literally put content every few weeks, made streams, interacted with everyone while we'd only get "This is what is planned" from HBomb with no actual delivery or very little.
One thing in dev that is common is for the coding part to be working long before the art/sound/etc, in BS case it was the contrary, it's obvious where the problem lies.
>>344980019
>Shiibashi Hiroshi
meh
>>344979861
>front page
>Brogulls
>Creamy Cream
>Banana Cream Cake
every single time
>>344980745
>>344980635
Who the fuck employed whom? Jesus christ, no-balls.
>>344980347
>make loli porn
>proceed to make a video of said loli making bread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKEV4ovRP-o
We need more loli cooking videos.
art looks like shitand suspiciously like the same shit as the assholes that drove broquest into the groundso I don't care lamo
>>344980745
It's easy to blame everything on Putin right down to being unable to 'manage' your people because of him.
But Vanilly's post more than implies that Hbox was simply incompetent and and was more concerned with appearances and the culture of the entire place was about finger pointing.
Tbh, would you want to release the game if idiots willingly donate you up to 39k a month.
>>344978702
Yes but contracts like that are not as appealing to professional creatives. By relinquishing the rights to the publisher or whatever you risk:
>No royalties
>Project being canned and your assets probably never seeing the light of day or even your portfolio
>You being let off at any point or replaced thus making no money for your work
By doing it that way the artist is more prone to being fucked. By doing it the other way the publisher is most prone to being fucked. BUT if your project rides SOLELY on art that's probably the smart thing to do.
By letting the artist reserve the rights means you have to acknowledge that while this is a very mutual trust sort of scenario BUT by making that fucking contract you also acknowledge that precisely what just happened is a completely legal and plausible scenario and perhaps YOU WOULDN'T MAKE SUCH A CONTRACT IF YOU WEREN'T CONFIDENT THAT IN CASE OF SUCH SCENARIO YOUR PROJECT WOULDN'T TANK. There is nobody but yourself to blame if you're demonizing an artist for exercising the leeway you gave him. That's like literally giving a person a project self-destruct button and saying:
"Look, if it gets unfavorable or shitty to keep working on this or even if you just feel like it or feel like moving away or to something else you are within your rights to push this button without consequence"
"How fucking dare you push the button, EVERYTHING IS RUINED"
>>344980715
>paywalls content
Well, he's not getting my sheckles anymore, I only support people who don't try and jew people out to get their content.
>>344980641
I found his pixiv:
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=4107959
>>344980903
Because it is the same artist numbnuts
>>344977825
Anthropomorphic characters with with human pose and feral cat-like arms end up like that.
>>344980858
It was a partnership join venture apparently. But I still find it insanely suspicious that literally anything wrong was because of Shiggy diggy.
>I wanted to hire a manager, but he wouldn't let me!
>I wanted to hire more people, but he wouldn't let me!
>I wanted to get some work done, but he wouldn't let me!
Like come on.
>>344980964
His videos and images are on that site that used to be called trollvids too.
>>344977980
>48 seconds ago
How does it feel to have put so much effort into something only for it to fail so hard? How much were you paid over the course of the project?
>>344980612
Yeah obviously, you think after all the effort he put into it, and all the money he got from fans, he would want to spread his asshole and release a murky fart monsoon all over the place.
Leaving like that is understandable, making your own similar game is a douchey thing to do, but purposefully crashing the game was just too much
>>344981015
yea well he sucks dick for a living
>>344979917
>west
>loli
>>344981076
Where? I've never come across anything that looks like those images.
>>344978709
>Let this be a lesson
It won't, people has, is and will ever waste their money like morons.
>>344980206
How much dosh did Liru scored through all that time though? It was forever on patreon and people kept throwing money at it forever.
>>344981076
>>344981143
iwara.tv I think
>>344981115
>Japan is part of "The West"
>America allows loli porn
>so do some European countries
>mfw your idiotic post
>>344979578
It's the case for every game.
Think about it, let's say you're making a VN, and for some reason the work is divided amongst the artist and the programmer (who is also doing the writing). In the scenario that the artist does all the work, the VN is completely unplayable and is basically an exhentai gallery. In the scenario the programmer does all the work, you end up with a VN that is playable from start to finish -- but has no graphics, outside of maybe some placeholder art that's probably stick figures and solid squares of color.
My main point of contention here is the fact that Breeding Season as a "game" was just a handful of simple menus that operated an EXTREMELY basic resource manipulation game, of the sort that a 10-year-old could make after learning Basic for a week. There was no fucking game in it. Pulling out of the project in secret and nuking it as you go is a pretty horrifying backstab, but from where I'm looking, only one in the project that deserved any money at all were the artists. Their work was the only part of the game that couldn't be done in like one hour by a semi-competent coder.
>>344976996
"It's better than nothing!"
>>344981115
I want more uncensored loli porn, damn it.
>>344981143
They're both at his account on >>344981203 granted, they're at a lower size (1920x1080) with the 4k sized images being patrons only, I think.
>>344980635
The worst thing H-Bomb did to his reputation was make it so the project couldn't be completed. Making his own game was a shit move but stopping breeding season from being finished basically cemented him as the public 'bad guy' for most artists and people on tumblr to spread around.
>>344979810
KS?
>>344981331
DO NOT SEXUALIZE THE RECETTE
>>344981224
>tfw Australia doesn't allow lolis
>>344981331
>>344981203
I know it's on Iwara, I'm saying I haven't seen shit on Iwara that looks like those Kuro images.
>>344976996
And nothing of value was lost!
>>344980737
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
>>344980905
>But Vanilly's post more than implies that Hbox was simply incompetent
Him being easy to take advantage of doesnt excuse the guy who clearly took advantage.
I've done some game work and under a shit manager, I managed to not rob the partnership and lie about doing so.
>>344981418
http://ecchi.iwara.tv/images/kuro-renders
http://ecchi.iwara.tv/images/sex-beach
Holy shit anon.
>>344980347
Hm, I always did think his models looked like they could be used for pornwho knew that was their true purpose all along
>>344981418
?
http://ecchi.iwara.tv/users/mantis-x
>>344980759
>Anon22 hated writing Shizune
>deliberately wrote her route to be shit and to make her fucking insufferable
I thought it was funny. Nothing is more satisfying to witness than a butthurt Shizunefag trying to defend her route.
>>344976996
This kind of reminds me of the Arch Project. And then the bitch has the nerve to try it again for the 3rd/4th time.
>>344981330
>It's literally nothing
fixed
>>344981243
>It's the case for every game.
>Think about it, let's say you're making a VN, and for some reason the work is divided amongst the artist and the programmer (who is also doing the writing)
No. Why the fuck are you making the programmer the writer too? Fuck off with that shit. We'll have three people in your example: artist, writer, and programmer. Of these three, the LEAST important one is programmer. He is 100% replaceable. If the writer leaves, there is no novel. If the artist leaves, there is a novel, but it's not very "visual". If the coder leaves, fuck him, you can get a different coder because coding a visual novel is the easiest job in the world and there is no difference in the end product no matter who does it.
The only situation where the assets matter less than the game is if the game is actually challenging to code. A shitty visual novel where the most complicated task is popping up a menu? The "game" part becomes completely replaceable.
>>344976996
the designs have been garbage for the longest time anyways. good riddance
>>344981349
Cripple VN
>>344977657
>https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow
this looks so garbage
>>344981516
>Him being easy to take advantage of doesnt excuse the guy who clearly took advantage.
Where did I say anyone was being excused?
I'm saying pinning all the blame on the artist is a dick move when it was HBox who let it get to that point and frustrated all of his employees. They're both equally greedy douchebags.
>>344981614
>fuck him, you can get a different coder
you can get a different artist and writer too.
>there is no difference in the end product no matter who does it.
Wrong. While artits and writers have style and quality differences, I've seen enough programmers to know if you have a good one replacing him is likely to get you a worse product.
>>344981614
>needing a programmer
if the programmer throws a shitfit then just use renpy
>>344977349
>Russian kike
Lol what kind of retard trusts that
>>344981591
Why didn't they let someone who liked Shizune write her route?
It's so fucking simple.
>>344981614
If you're making a VN, the programmer is still the most important even though it's not a complicated task. The programmer is the most important for any game, because without the programmer, there isn't a game.
See Broquest. All they had was 9 writers and a concept artist.
>>344981692
>They're both equally greedy douchebags.
Thats the thing, once screwed the other so I don't think thats true, and its where you give the impression you are excusing one of them
>sure he essentially stole from this buy, but he was a intensely shitty manager!
>>344981342
People already thought Schwig was a shitheas, he only gave people more ammo.
>>344979639
I believe you could bang her as a male, and if you couldn't it was at least planned, but that's all dead now.
>>344981751
a furfag of course.
>>344980737
problem wasn't the art, problem was nobody else involved really did anything
>>344981756
who?
they were not exactly full of people.
>>344981769
its a team project, without one set of skills the entire thing is fucked.
>>344981739
>you can get a different artist and writer too.
If you'd read his entire post you'd realize that he said the coder is expendable because coding doesn't adversely affect the quality of game. Remember that we're talking about indie visual novels, shit that can literally be coded by a monkey in Ren'py.
Artists have their own style and skill that a VN would be seriously hampered if you switched one out part way or use multiple without screening them (Katawa Shoujo and Everlasting Summer come to mind).
The writer one is obvious since the entire story can change between even just two people if they're working from a single concept.
>>344981912
https://mega.nz/#!IAQHDQDY!nZlPPeLbBmfKIgLcQYe3iIpH87-qzGa9f6EUKKq5ljc
Straight from the infinity vortex.
Do with it what you will.
>>344981756
Because the group was tight-knit at first so they shuffled around a lot to try to make it "fair" but eventually cracks started to appear so nobody really wanted to communicate with the others unless absolutely necessary.
It got to the stage where everyone wanted to get their own shit finished asap and let others get on with their own shit.
>>344981549
>>344981587
Pretty gud, eyes a bit too big, but nice animations.
>>344981839
>Thats the thing, once screwed the other so I don't think thats true,
You don't follow this project, do you? Hbox was swimming in money for years without providing adequate support for his 'contractors' and did nothing but make empty promises. He's literally the idea guy.
Read vanilly's resignation to see why he's a failure due to greed.
think about all the scamming furfaggets none of them even came close to $500K, especially crowchild.
This takes the cake as No.1 Furscam
>>344981549
>>344981587
Speaking of Iwara, does anyone have Hekovic's new stuff? The cunt started uploading all his shit as private and he'll only follow people if they comment all his videos and suck his dick, and even then only if he likes what they're saying enough.
>>344981952
>because coding doesn't adversely affect the quality of game
and my point is it does.
Unless your only standard is "does it crash too much"
>Artists have their own style
yep, that is a thing I noted as well.
>>344981912
But now you get more pay which means you can donate more so artists can supply you with more porn, creating a porn-promotion feedback loop. You'll be CEO in no time.
>>344981614
Actually writing was not the problem here and probably the most complete aspect of the game
>>344981739
>you can get a different artist and writer too.
But that will actually affect the end product in a major way. Replacing a coder in a project like VN will NOT affect the end product in any way that's noticeable by anyone.
I'm a fucking CS major. Coding is not hard. Especially coding something as trivially simple as a visual novel, where literally all you need to do is display images and text and play sound effects and sometimes read a mouse click. It's in fact so simple that you can leave out the COMPUTER, print the fucking thing on PAPER, and get almost the same experience!
>>344981769
>f you're making a VN, the programmer is still the most important
No. The programmer is a nobody. The assets (text and art) are everything that matters in a visual novel. If it was an FPS or something the programmer(s) would be important, but in a visual novel, the coffee maker outranks the coder.
>>344982090
>and my point is it does.
If you think it takes Bill Gates to code a visual novel in Renpy, then this discussion is over.
Have a nice day.
>>344982127
>a porn-promotion feedback loop.
Fuck, you made me spit out my drink. Now I'm getting fired for spilling coffee all over the servers. There goes my fucking promotion money.
>>344982214
>shit I lost
>better say something stupid and close the thread
>>344982315
>I can't follow my own argument
Don't know why I expected anything else from you.
>>344982197
I don't think you understand my point.
Anyone can make shitty art, anyone can write a shitty story, and anyone can likely open up renpy and hack assets together in an engine.
But selectively drop two of these roles, and what ends up with the most complete game?
If you drop the artist and programmer, you get a story.
If you drop the writer and programmer, you get a gallery.
If you drop the artist and writer, you get a game.
>>344982293
Shit sorry m8
If it's any consolation you probably needed this kick up the backside to get you to take your life back from wageslavery.
>>344982081
I'm allowed to see his videos, the new ones are shit. I don't know why he's stopped doing porn and now focuses on fucking dancing 24/7. No one gives a fuck about them dancing. He swindled most of his audience into giving him praise for his shit dancing videos so they could see his private porn videos, but now he's deluded into thinking that people GENUINELY liked his dancing videos, so now he makes nothing but dancing shit videos.
>>344982401
>If you drop the artist and writer, you get a game.
Asteroids?
>>344982197
OK but now imagine if you have like art 80% finished and story 50% finished and the guy coding the framework is like 10% done and he says he's waiting on the story to be more finished before he can continue coding it.
At no fucking point should art assets be a hindrance to coding the game. PLACEHOLDERS NIGGA.
>>344980325
Princess Trainer Gold
Witch Trainer
Delirium
The Beast and the Bitch
Noxian Nights
Overwhored (not sure if he have patreon back than)
Magic Matchup
>>344982525
Yeah, that's a game.
>>344976996
Vanilly, Fleetart and S-Purple streamed their work, regularly doing anywhere from 5-15 hours of work 5 days week.
Guess who was never seen streaming and was constantly holding up the project. I'll give you a hint, he wanted an easy ride and made an autistic rage post.
>>344982401
Yeah, and what if you replace one of the roles with someone who's been introduced to the craft one week ago?
If you get a bad artist, nobody will want to fap to your ugly porn
If you get a bad writer, nobody will give a shit about your VN
If you get a bad programmer? He can still probably churn out a VN in Flash or Ren'py because it's literally the easiest thing one can code.
>>344976996
>he has consistently made stubbornly unreasonable decisions borne out by a poor understanding of the actual management of a project
the irony
>>344981549
>he's a dubshitter
>emoticons everywhere
Fucking gross.
>>344982604
Couldn't I just drop the programmer too at that point and make something in Mario Maker?
>>344979517
go live in china m8:^)
>>344976996
http://breedingseasongame.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/delay.html
remember this lie
>>344982671
You'd be a god if you somehow managed to make a porn game in mario maker without getting flagged
>>344982505
TEST03, TEST07, and 5-2 are porn though, right?
Come to think of it, I don't even follow why he's setting what he sets as private. 5-2 is loli dicksucking and is public, but a bunch of dance videos are private.
3-4 was the best thing he's made anyway.
>>344977546
Z U C C
>>344977915
Oh no, no one actually gives a shit because you cant make money off of it.
>>344976996
>A stupid failed normie tried to make a porn game by himself
>Drums up 50k~ on KS
>Hires artists, voice actors, and a scriptwriter
>Manages them all fairly well and handles all the PR by himself
>Was also the programmer
>Game released successfully and was even on Steam Top 10 for a few days
How is this possible when Breeding Season failed despite making 40k A MONTH?
>>344982880
W-Would you happen to have any links bud?
>>344982950
Really, faggot?
>>344982737
I wouldn't need a programmer to make a porn game. At worst I could whip something up in fucking Powerpoint.
>>344982947
Hunie Pop had a programmer that was willing to work, Breeding Season did not.
Programmer is the most vital role to a game's development, so it's the obvious answer.
>>344977915
the swf won't work for me
>>344982880
5-2 isn't porn, just more fucking dancing.
The other two are porn but Test 07 just seems like a reupload of a previous video. Test03 isn't anything special, just one position that's seen in the thumbnail.
>>344983058
>flash 10
jesus thats old
>>344982947
Because Jews. Like, literally in this case. Literally a fucking Jew.
>>344983058
where's a place to get flash player without paying?
>>344983131
What?
>>344982401
>But selectively drop two of these roles, and what ends up with the most complete game?
The only ones that produce a thing of worth are the writer and the artist. The programmer's contribution, without the assets, is NOT of any value to anyone. The quality of a Visual Novel is 100% decided by the quality of its writing and art (and soundtrack). For programming, it doesn't matter if you have John Carmack coding it or a guy who started his first programming class yesterday, his contribution to the end product will be negligible and the only thing Carmack would do better than a complete newbie is that he'd be finished before the first piss break. The newbie would still do it, just slightly slower.
You cannot replace the writer in a visual novel because the end result will be a different novel that has nothing to do with the original. Same goes for art. Even the sound designer will drastically affect the mood of the game. But the programmer? All he needs to do is make sure the thing doesn't crash, and he's done all that anyone expected of him.
>>344976996
>On July 4th Vanilly gave me her two weeks notice, and explained to me that in addition to issues she had with my disorganized management of the project
>my disorganized management of the project
>my disorganized management of the project
>It's the art guy fault! I swear!
>>344983245
>I was waiting for the artists to allow me to hire a different manager
>nah jk I ain't splitting the shekels
>>344983245
It was, it's just jew collusion that set up poor white man goyim hbomb.
![[HorribleSubs] Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.01_[2016.06.26_18.27.39].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Z66vm8l.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge - 12 [720p].mkv snapshot 15.01 [2016.06.26 18.27.39]")
>>344983120
Well I guess I'm not missing much then. I wish Andil and どうしよう would upload more stuff though.
>>344983204
Sorry but you don't have a product period without a programmer.
>>344983201
S-Purple is a Jew.
>>344982616
>If you get a bad writer, nobody will give a shit about your VN
Tell that to Akabur.
>>344983245
>Vanilly's post says that Hbomb refused to hire her on board as an employee yet expected her to do that amount of work with a SUBcontractor's pay
>She said he regularly shot down her suggestions and contributions and didn't really guide or support her
>Apparently sometimes he outright ignored her requests
Funny how in the end, the only two people who pocketed most of the money was Hbomb and swig.
>>344978539
You're an idiot. He pulled a complete ass move just because his contract allowed for it. As an artfag I'm here to tell you doggydog world won't get you very far here. He completely ruined his brand and it may not ever recover. Selling the art and having a clean cut from the project would have been the smart move. He'd have money in his filthy pocket and the possibility for profiting from his work. What use will be the assets to him now when he fucked over the very same people he'll try to market them to next?
>>344976996
So, the only person who actually did his job was vanilly huh?
Also, the head of the project also seems quite irresponsible.
>>344983432
I thought he was Serbian or something.
>>344983462
Didn't his witch game fail?
>>344983190
>paying
u wot m8
https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/debug_downloads.html
get the projector or projector with debug unless you are running memedos 8.1+ then get the version that fits
>>344983392
are you fucking dense
his point is that programming a VN is so easy and expendable that any human being on the planet can learn how to do it in a weekend
>>344983201
Artist is a Jew.
Well the whole thing turned into a Ponzi Scheme in the first place once they became the most supported Pateon on the site, but the Head Scammer got scammed by the artist and the whole thing came crumbling down cause he was too lazy to do his actual job.
>YOU can't scam me, I'M suppose to be doing the scamming!!!
>>344983190
jesus christ
>>344983204
I dunno man, VA-11 HALL-A annoyed the shit out of me with its lack of auto and pre-read skip functions, and the delay on previewing songs.
>>344981098
It probably feels soul crushing.
>>344977129
why is the first post so often the best post?
>>344983541
A Serbian Jew, yes.
>>344983473
>because his contract allowed for it
And thats bad because...?
>>344980325
A lot of games these days aren't completed, they just keep going because people always want more. Certain devs I especially like, like the guy from Trap Quest who reads every suggestions and also implements a lot that people say, because it's for the people after all.
>>344983639
He just fucking explained why in the rest of the post you jackass.
>>344980019
Now post Miuras schedule
>>344983639
Do you want a lecture on ethics you fuckface? He put himself in terrible standing for both his potential clients and employers.
You never EVER don't put the artists under a contract.
Artists love to fuck over games if they can because they think their art IS the game.
It happened in my first project too. If the artist leaves, then there is nothing you can do.
Fuck artists. Making the game is way harder than you drawing shit. You aren't the star of the damn thing.
>>344982947
HuniePop succeeded because they were paid to finish a project, not fiddle indefinitely with the project. As bad as KS is sometimes, KS at least demands a finished product at some point. Patron only demands that you exist, and rewards people for NOT doing whatever they promised to do.
Only place where Patron works is for people like webcomics authors that put out new content every week. If all you're promising is one big project that looms in the horizon, it's likely going to stay in the horizon as long as you can keep it there.
>>344983639
Abusing loopholes is okay?
Vanilly was the only one to actually get fucked over though right? Shwig made out with money and fucking burned the place down, H-bomb probably had a lot of money from this project too.
I'm really waiting for Shwigs side of this, we know he made some dick moves but obviously cares so little that he might air some real dirty laundry about the project. Since this just seems like "Boohoo feel bad for me I'm a retard."
>>344976996
So is all the art made for it going to be salvaged or is it all going to be destroyed?
Cause I'll gladly use those images to their full extent with my penis if it was all released to the public?
>>344983838
Not a loophole when it's explicitly stated.
>>344983613
Auto and skip aren't hard to implement and are most likely just simple oversights considering everything else that is wrong with that game.
>>344983801
>Fuck artists. Making the game is way harder than you drawing shit. You aren't the star of the damn thing.
In a "game" like Breeding Season that has no gameplay and no good writing, the artist definitely is the star.
>>344983584
If no one programs the game, a game doesn't get made.
Also writers are just idea guys and the least important, which is why most VN's are written and programmed by the same person (usually drawn, too).
Also earning wise on projects has programmers at the top.
I think this anti-programmer shilling is just the idea guys defense force honestly, probably the Broquest team.
>>344983801
Or maybe accept that it's hard for both sides?
>>344983801
In a porn game the art is always, 100% the primary focus. Just because you're mad doesn't change that fact.
>>344983947
>If no one programs the game, a game doesn't get made.
Are you deliberately being obtuse or can you sgenuinely not comprehend the posts to which you're replying?
>>344983783
0:00-9:00 sleep
10:00-11:00 breakfast
12:00-19:00 Idolm@ster
20:00-21:00 dinner
22:00-23:00 Free Time (Idolm@ster)
Honestly the scope was way too big. There must have been over 1000 animations with all the combinations of monsters variations. And yet they constantly focused on adding NPC animations and holiday event animations instead.
Animating is insanely hard and it sounds like they treated their animator like trash. great work.
Also its fucking bullshit Kay's animation was her fucking an oyster instead of a Breeder. Now we can never fuck her.
>>344983947
>If no one programs the game, a game doesn't get made.
Not him but the original point was that the programmer is the most expendable for simple VN-like games whereas a different writer or artist fundamentally changes it.
It only took me 2 weeks to learn enough Renpy to make a visual novel and it won't be much longer to work through the more flashy stuff considering all the guides and libraries out there.
Reminder in the BS comments. You shouldn't trust anyone on Patreon when it comes to this genre.
>>344980903
BroQuest died because it was just one artist and a shitload of idea guys, no actual programmers.
>>344983392
>Sorry but you don't have a product period without a programmer
You have a novel, and an exhentai gallery. Those are both things of worth. People may read the novel and fap to the art. A skeleton of a VN without any writing or art is not of value to anyone and will be just deleted.
Also, finding an artist or a writer that's good enough for a VN is much, much harder than finding a programmer who'd good enough for a VN, given how incredibly, absurdly easy VNs are to code.
>>344983639
Why the fuck would anyone ever work with him again? His reputation is shot.
>>344984162
Having a different writer or artist changes it, but it doesn't determine whether or not a game was made.
See CoC, originally no artist, no writer, just a programmer who gets sex scenes donated to him. No matter how easy the task is to pick or learn, if there is no one to do it, then there is no product.
>>344984138
22:00-23:00 Free Time (thinking about boats)
>>344980042
There's infinitely more incentive to drag it out with minimal updates for as long as humanly possible.
>>344983947
>Also writers are just idea guys
Are you fucking retarded for real
It's a NOVEL you goddamn brain donor. The writer is the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON for a fucking NOVEL.
>>344983790
For adhering to the contract?
For doing exactly what the contract let him to do?
What would've happened if he had sold the fucking assets is the Patreon would've kept going, the manager and programmer would remain incompetent, they would keep making next to no fucking progress for months on end while the only remotely presentable aspect would remain the porn art and now they wouldn't even have to split the money with who made it because he was stupid enough to keep letting them use it.
Y'all niggas latch on to the obvious bait jew but you don't even realize the secret jew behind the curtain.
>>344982012
All right, leave it to me. I'll finish the game myself.Right after I make a patreon :^)
>>344983783
0:00 - 23:00 = IDOLM@STER
>>344984535
And everyone can write. Everyone in this thread is writing.
>>344983947
>which is why most VN's are written and programmed by the same person
The reason most VNs are written and programmed by the same person is because a fucking ten-year-old can program a visual novel. You just don't fucking get how easy and trivial it is to make one. It requires no skill at all to "program" a visual novel.
>>344979917
Goddamn Kuroe is too fucking sexy.
>>344984652
Any retard can pound on his keyboard and make words show up.
>>344977915
Whoever gets a hold on the actual leak, can you please post it online like on imugr or some shit so it spreads faster? Cause at this rate I'll never get it.
>>344984652
You are honestly retarded if you cant tell the difference between shitposting on this site and writing a well developed story.
>>344984652
And Shakespeare is just english words put in order.
>>344984675
Yea but if there wasn't even a ten-year-old to "program" the visual novel, then there wouldn't be a visual novel.
There would be a novel or a gallery.
>>344984424
https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow/community
at $52/month already
>>344984736
>>344984791
he's trolling
why respond?
>>344984652
It's not enough to write, you chimp. You need to write WELL. You need to be able to weave a story that somebody might want to actually read. That is a rare talent.
You're not an artist if you can make a stick figure, and you're not a writer if you can type a 4chan post.
>>344984802
>There would be a novel or a gallery.
Which are way better than what you get if all you have is that 10-year-old coder and no assets.
>>344984813
If it wasn't for the art I'd tell you it was a fucking joke by /v/ this is so weird nobody announced it and spurple didn't say anything either. How they found this is a fucking mystery, some anon said earlier it might've been leaked by people who know what was going on.
Purps did some douchey things but I really want to hear his side of the story, I highly doubt everything is his fault, he seemed sick of working on the game for a while
>>344978539
>someone else continuing to make regular revenue from your assets in exchange for a one time payment or royalties that are less than what the work is worth.
>The pair sold the character to National's successor company, Detective Comics, Inc., for $130 (the equivalent of $2,200 when adjusted for inflation).
You never how much money you can lose
>>344984878
Those aren't games though. Breeding Season failed because all it had was art and writing. The programmer wasn't doing any work, so it wasn't ever making progress. The programmer determines whether or not the game gets made. The artist and "writer" (idea guy) determines how nice it looks.
>>344984821
My bad
>started off being about monster girls
>gradually turned into 99% furry shit (a lot like what happened to CoC)
>changed artists 3 times, setting back any work like a year
>completly unreasonable goals, wanted to add in so many options and interactions when 1% of the game wasn't even fucking animated yet
>game never stopped being a broken mess
Good riddance. I know furfags have disposable income coming out of their ass so they probably won't be deterred from backing the next scam.
>>344984547
>it's totally fine to backstab your coworkers if it's not literally illegal to do so
>>344984547
Yes, there is an ethical process to contract-writing.
For example it is quite common for contract writers to write in deliberately unfair terms in a contract — hoping that the signatory won't notice — which can if signed be used to fuck people over later.
It appears this is what happened with BS because project manager in their right mind would sign a contract that stipulates an artist can take with them every single art asset they produced for absolutely no reason, at any time, with no warning, and without needing to pay back salary to the team since the project is incomplete — and why would you not stipulate in the contract that payments are made in advance and in good faith subject to completion of project.
Go fuck yourself.
Stick to Japan for porngames. Its clear that the west cant do it.
>>344984994
>Those aren't games though.
Irrelevant. They are better than the "game" the coder can make by himself.
>>344984990
I heard that Purp fucked them over by not allowing H-bomb to hire more staff such as Project managers and more artists
>>344984994
>The programmer determines whether or not the game gets made. The artist and "writer" (idea guy) determines how nice it looks.
Or they fire the programmer and replace him with a 10-year-old child who does his job equally well.
>>344984813
>female protagonists
>not the other way around (male vs monstergirls)
Everyone does and i got fuckin tired of that.
>>344980737
Because hbomb was a retard and gave s-purple a contract that promised him a full half of the total profit, minus all expenses (which worked out to like 10 thousand of that monthly wage given to one single guy who did nothing), on TOP of s-purple keeping the rights to all of his art, despite the fact that hbomb was paying him an absolutely ridiculous sum of money for it. This is the problem with flash porn artists trying to make business decisions, they make up these godawful retarded contracts because they have no idea what they're doing. I'm not a business major but I would fucking hesitate before promising half of my company to some random dude and then not even making sure I had the rights to his work, letting him split and destroy everything any time he felt like it.
>>344977915
So how do I open/play these .fla animations?
>>344976996
mechanic updates have been going downhill for a while anyway
>>344985276
It is relevent, because it's about the importance of a task in how a game is developed, not about who is the most important figure in "writing" (idea guying) a blogpost or making a gallery.
Sorry Broquest didn't work out. Amazing how a game wasn't made with 9 writers and 1 concept artist.
>>344985313
Yeah but from who, I'll be honest I don't trust stuff like that. "Oh they did this and that and they're why the project was held back."
People will shift 100% of the blame on somebody if they can, and they do.
I'd rather wait and hear from spurple first before we start comparing stories.
I'm not saying purps didn't do some shitty things but I don't think it's cool to push all the blame on one guy and let the other shitter get out clean
I'm not sure why anyone would want to cut such a gravy train short. People were basically giving them tens of thousands of dollars to draw and maybe even animate a couple pictures per month.
>>344978079
Literal pottery.
>>344984994
>Hurr theres no game if theres no one to code it durr
Why are you changing the argument? As said before, the claim was that the programmer has the least impact in the project and is the most expendable since he requires the least skills to create a VN with the same result.
See >>344984162
>>344985461
You really don't like writers, do you?
>>344984813
I'm getting a Gaia Online feel from this and that's not a good thing.
>>344979610
>>344979804
>>344980565
Funny fact: in polish language there is a word "szwindel" (schvindel) that means: "fraud", "cheat". The more you know...
>>344985641
Funfact: Schwindel is a german word
>>344985313
>I heard
From H-Bomb himself on the blog post.
I honestly don't trust anything that jew says and besides with Vinally's account of how H-Bomb fucked her over it's pretty clear-cut he's trying to paint himself as the good guy here.
>>344985568
Since the programming is the only skillset that allows a game to be made, it is the most important skillset in making a game.
Interesting bit of trivia: Ren'Py was made by a programmer, not an artist or a writer.
>>344977657
>19 patrons
why would they throw their money after this
>>344985737
>Perpetuating this strawman even after I pointed you to the original claim
You must be drunk off of all these (You)s.
>>344984990
>Purps did some douchey things but I really want to hear his side of the story, I highly doubt everything is his fault
If he hasn't spoken at all after being called out in public like that, that's basically an admission of guilt.
>>344976996
First s-purple fucked over broquest then he fucked over his best friend and cucked him now this wtf dude
>>344985116
So you propose the ETHICAL thing to do is to keep the Patreon going with exactly same zero progress for another cool year pretty much riding purely on the art direction (face it, nobody was fucking interested in this because of the deep fucking gameplay mechanics) and material S made except now he doesn't get to have a cut and you can keep this thing going while you laugh to the jew bank. NEVERMIND THAT FUCKING VANILLY ALSO RESIGNED AND FINGERED THE CRY-JEW AS BEING AN INCOMPETENT LOSER.
Yeah ok that's ETHICS.
u know what's really important tho???
the parents who gave birth to the programmer.... without them you can't make a programmer, and thus, program no gaem......
fund-me games have been the boggest scam of this decade
thank god I havent given money to a single porject like this
>>344985737
No. The programmer is the easiest to replace, therefore he is the least important.
You have no argument. Give up.
>>344985813
>If he hasn't spoken at all after being called out in public like that, that's basically an admission of guilt.
Not really.
There's a reason why people tend to not speak until they run everything through their lawyer. No point in getting caught up in some petty internet drama with children.
>>344985813
It's only been like a day and it blew up around the evening. I wouldn't be surprised if they posted about it later in the day just so it could explode over night.
10 threads on /v/ feels like a long time but it really isn't, with any luck we'll get a response today. Anything later and then I'd worry
>>344985385
Ask any Japanese H-artists/game creators who actually finish their fucking games instead of begging for handouts with an idea.
A female protagonist is much easier to do because you only have to design and draw one important character. You can even get away with reusing some assets.
A male protagonist requires many different girls/designs and a lot of extra work. Also, the focus is less on one static character you're controlling and more on the new girl, so it's hard to have the same impact.
>>344985810
It isn't a strawman though. I even have real world examples to back it up: every /v/ game project that failed did so because no one was programming it (Broquest). Then Notch, who can't write or draw very well, made Minecraft -- which is THE most successful project to ever get posted on /v/ -- purely off of programming, because it's the only skillset that can individually make games.
>>344985689
yup, it may (and probably is) be taken from german language. Thanks for leaving us some nice words occupant-chan
>>344976996
>follow project since beginning with old version
>they dropped beast because furfags didn't like it
>ignore it for good
Another one bites the dust. Never give furries power.
>>344985848
BroQuest was going nowhere long before Spurple touched it.
>>344979861
Japanese hentai is commercialized
Western drawn porn is subsidized by donations/patreon
There are still a fair few artists with a good pace and style (Incase for example) but western drawn porn suffers from being a self-motivated system
The potential for greatness does dwell in the heart of Western H-art; but it needs to be stoked in the fires of capitalism.
>>344984462
this. It's a real shit business model for games
Bizarre, last month they were talking about buying a studio together to work together in person. Spurp was getting his passport and everything. Amazing how quickly the Jew ruined everything. Maybe there was a small fee to get his passport so he decided to do this instead.
>>344984813
im not surprised that people are this retarded
>>344985903
remember old gamefaqs guide's credit sections?
>thanks sephiroth1990 for tips on how to beat ruby weapon
>thanks to square for making the best game ever created
>thanks to mom and dad for giving birth to me
>thanks to god and jesus for creating everything
>>344976996
Good.
>>344976996
And this is why autistic people are incapable of organizing and successfully running projects.
>>344985813
Personally I'd be more suspicious of the party that immediately takes to social media and starts finger pointing demanding a witch hunt on his behalf.
But maybe that's just me.
>>344985813
just like sjw did with the avgn guy, right? He didnt say anything so, he is clearly guilty of being a sexist faggot
>>344986018
>It isn't a strawman though.
But it is. The original claim was
>Which is the most expendable staff when making a VN
not
>You can make a game without a programmer
>>344984018
Without the programmers and musicians you just have art.
When it comes to ren'py guess who animates the images? The programmer.
The artist is important, but without everyone else it's just more drawn porn pictures.
>>344977929
his contract said that he kept all the rights to the art he made so if he goes and makes his own game he can reuse all the assets while keeping 100% of the money.
>>344985449
>>344983190
how old are you fuckers? go back to >>>/b/
>>344986502
Most of the .fla files I open don't play anything
>>344980206
Remember that oneJapanese NEET who made one of the most influential freeware games?
Ìf this guy was remotely smart (which i'm starting to doubt), the contract has a no competition clause. If it does then boy, this is going to be an open and shut case.
>>344984652
Most of this thread can't even read, even less so write.
>>344985468
He decided to make his own breading season game. So left, took the assets, and basically killed his competitor. Not only did he get PAID to do all that, but now he gets 100% of the funds to make same damn game/pull the same scam..
I was a bullshit move to pull no matter how the others were acting.
>>344985897
IT'S FUCKING BLACK-AND-WHITE UNETHICAL TO WRITE A CONTRACT THAT STIPULATES YOU CAN LEAVE WITH HALF OF THE STUDIOS SAVINGS FOR LITERALLY NO FUCKING REASON
THE INCOMPETENCE OF THE TEAM (WHICH LEAD TO THIS ETHICAL PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE) HAS NO FUCKING BEARING ON THE ETHICS OF THE CONTRACT. THE CONTRACT WAS WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT WAS DELIBERATELY DESIGNED TO FUCK EVERYONE OVER.
>>344986346
No, the original claim was >>344978539
>From what I see this entire development progress was like if you spent the entire time making finished high poly 3D models and polished final animations for your game while there is no gameplay framework to put them on or at the very least there are isolated slices of the instances where those are used. There have been so many fucking games that get cancelled precisely because they spent so much time on assets and animation it was the engine or buggy code that fucked them over. Revising art or assets is infinitely easier than revising gameplay and code. This is like an FPS programmer complaining he can't do his job because he's waiting on the gun models to be finished.
The programmer is who determines the development of the game, not the artist. Without the programmer, there isn't a game.
>first inafune
>now this
WELL WILL YOU NIGGERS LEARN
>>344986462
That's the jewish thing out of it
I kinda always thought of Shwig as a douche tho. It didn't struck as a surprise.
never support a project lead by artists. They fucked up every time (just check Final Fantasy), even an autistic programmer is better and they are not good.
A good team must have a good leader with managing and people skills. A game is a project and can be manage as a project.
>>344986502
I know flash player nigga. They just are blank, even the ones under finished. Even MPlite doesn't play them.
technically speaking
you can sue him for larceny right?
>>344986594
>if the guy was remotely smart
no
it's some dudes basement contract
no one vetted it
>>344976996
too bad
i recently learned about breeding season and was kinda looking forward to this
liked this
>>344986789
No, his contract says he keeps everything he made because the project lead was a fucking moron.
>fucked breeding season up before any malebreederxmonster, no /ss/ with cowmilf
shit
>>344986709
>turning off futa and feral
u gay nigga?
>>344986309
They never blamed him for anything in particular, they just called him a sexist asshole for having an opinion. He didn't respond to them because he doesn't need to clear his name for any wrongdoing, and also because he probably didn't even know or care about the backlash to begin with.
>>344986789
you can sue anyone for anything up until the judge tells you to fuck off
>>344986669
I was referring to these posts
>>344981243
>>344981614
So I won't argue your point about
>No programmer = no game
Since that's a pedantic and pointless discussion.
>>344986871
They start off
>>344977976
it's like kekstarter but you can keep giving them money all time. There is no time limit for cleaning your wallet
>>344976996
>schwig is actually an ass
i died a little just now
>>344986789
nope
artist has greater ownership of the art (licensed assets instead of owned lmao)
>not giving patreon money to people you can actually trust
sasuga
>>344986863
>No qt Neoteny Elf sex scenes ever
I'm sad.
>>344986871
the fuck feral-option even does?
>>344986671
inb4 Shantaefags shitpost about their vaporware.
>>344986991
At some point they replaced the wolf monster with a furry version and added an option to switch between them.
>>344977980
I feel this guy, having worked on sprites for three ideamen games where ultimately i was the only fool doing anything at all except i did it for no money at all. It's sad to see people wont get off their fat asses even when there's money involved, it appears like you need someone cracking a whip in charge of the money hose; if you do your share of the heavy lifting you get money.
>>344986918
as a programmer
artists do 80% of the work
but thankfully most people are too stupid to write a simple fizzbuzz so I get to be paid a lot more
>>344987091
says you, furries pay top dollar for just mediocre art.
>>344986976
H also blatantly leaked all the content he contractually was suppose to leave to Schwig.
>>344986362
Listen here, nigger.
Coding a Visual Novel is basically like writing a CYOA book. Most of the time the CYOA book flips from page to page in a numerical order (page 7 to 8, 8 to 9, 9 to 10 etc)
At some point you reach a decision page. Your reader chooses a preset choice, and then is told which page to flip to, and the numerical order returns until the next decision page.
Writing a VN is basically like this, but you sometimes need to include animations and assets. You tell the software which asset to use, and what animation at what time. It's easy. The only thing that is "difficult" about it is managing the multitude of assets and animations, which can be many, and not getting bogged down and "lost".
>>344986985
>Never going to get any of the demoness
>>344986709
>>344976996
So will Roundscape experience a similar fate?
>>344980170
>russian bullshit
No, it's because he's a lazy piece of shit getting rich off of retards. He should have hired someone to do the writing, someone to develop the game and he should have kept drawing.
Instead he wanted to do everything himself and we ended up with fucking Chibi horseshit. I don't even mind the grind desu, it's just lack of content that annoys me
>>344980042
Out of fucking PASSION.
>MFW worked on several projects without getting paid.
>kept working on them hoping to make something great.
>Projects eventually died because of external factors.
>Mfw it's because people like Shwig people don't trust artfags.
Okay folks, start to post animations.
>>344987269
Yea but without the programmer to do the easy job it's just more drawn porn pictures. It's not about how easy it is.
>>344978539
This is why comics are in the shitter. Artists want to have their cake and eat it too.
>>344981115
Lolis first spawned from the west
>>344986991
it's aesthetic like Neoteny
Bestiality mode instead of Furry
it's also trash aside from the Demons
shame this game didn't get to Feral Angels
>>344976996
Don't you wish we could go back in time.
>>344987437
>>Mfw it's because people like Shwig people don't trust artfags.
Are you an artfag anon?Want to help me make a game? I can be your ideas guy :^)
>>344987050
nah the feral version isn't the old wolfman form; it's a straight up wolf
>>344987325
nah its an rpgmaker game with shit art, of course its not gonna fail
do you see the artist redoing all the art?
>>344987663
I wonder what Gorepete's up to.
>>344987154
"""""""""""game"""""""""""
"""""""""""design"""""""""""
>>344987437
Why would you ever trust an artguy? They're all fucking divas too busy posting about how they don't want to be paid in exposure instead of actually working.
>>344977825
Wait a minute those clothes...
>>344987437
All you do is make a couple scribbles who cares what you think you're just some artist playing around
:o)
>>344987512
>It's not about how easy it is.
It's EXACTLY about how easy it is. The programmer is inherently replaceable. He has the smallest contribution of all, and his job can be done equally well by almost literally anyone without affecting the quality of the end product. You need a programmer only in the same way you need somebody to brew coffee for the team.
Only way the coder's contribution would be "important" was if coding visual novels was somehow extremely difficult, instead of them being probably literally the easiest type of game in the world to code.
asddksa
I don't fucking even
you make a game like this and forego to implement a pregnancy mechanic
>>344986643
You're not answering my question.
What is the ethical thing to do in that scenario then?
Stay on a project you see is going nowhere but still get money from people fully knowing neither you or them are gonna get a full product to play/put in your portfolio? Probably gonna get blamed for it anyways once people stop giving a shit?
Leave the assets to the team willing to milk this cow as long as possible with pretty much your shit being the only presentable part except now you don't get a cut.
Or move to a separate project that could be more promising and might have the actual game part going.
Oh and speaking of ethics now you're actually liable for pressing for damages because your partner is the one breaking contract and leaking your stuff out on purpose. But that was the ETHICAL thing to do.
>>344987437
I think Schwig's situation was likely similar to yours. It should be pretty apparent on Broquest that Schwig worked very hard as there was pretty much an endless supply of concept and character art, even UI design. If you were following him during Breeding Season, it was also pretty obvious he was working regularly on art for that and did regular streams while he worked to interact with patrons.
Vanilly's word on the situation sort of verifies that the art wasn't the problem. The problem was the only thing getting done was art, and likely Schwig did the (immature) thing and left wordlessly to restart the project in the hopes that it actually got finished.
H-Bomb also sort of verifies this by admitting he mismanaged the project and had Vanilly doing everything, and leaking Schwig's assets doesn't do his character any favors.
>>344985794
some people just like his art
Other don't know/don't care
Some people just want to see a monstergirl/furry game finished
Also furries dump their money like crazy1000 dollar neon green dick pic.jpg
>>344988087
It's more that you don't want to have to wait for a pregnancy to go to term. With the current setup, each monster can have multiple births per day.
>>344987512
And thus we come full fucking circle, AGAIN. Holy shit you absolute dumb cunt.
The ease of the job is the kicker here, and one you've been explained MULTIPLE times: the ease of the fucking programmer's job means that the programmer doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things because he can be easily replaced. The logic of the programming will be consisent across all programmers.
An artist however has a distinct style and if that artist leaves, there will be a lack of cohesion in the art assets which may mean older assets are useless unless you want to give your readers/players a jarring experience. Just look at KS; when the original artist left the project, the team had to change all the completed assets otherwise the art style would be a mishmash of nonsensical parts (mouths, expressions, body positions etc) which would look odd to the reader/player.
Same goes for writing. There are different writing styles, and a sudden change in writer can cause a jarring change in the writing style unless the previous written material is re-written by the new writers. Much how the Shizune arc was changed into one that was really nonsensical because anon22 didn't really give a shit about making her route good, so he basically only half-rewrote existing script and then added his own shit later. Which is why the Misha lesbo revelation comes out of nowhere instead of being built up to, Jigoro's dickheadedness's effect on Shizune's attitude is barely explained and Hisao doesn't develop her character into being less obsessed with her image (it's implied that she hates having to feel that she should impress her dad), etc.
>>344984813
patreon and/or kickstarter was the worst idea ever
if developer continue to betray their customers/fans, no one is going to trust this shit ever again
>>344988261
right but there's no preggo fetish appeal in a game with "breeding" in the title
lazy devs
Well, I guess I won't be jacking off to this then.
Anyone have any recommendations for a hentai game with "gameplay".
Like Rance or MGQ?
I'd prefer to finish the game before the game finishes me.
>https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow
>people are dumb enough to back this
kek
>>344976996
They fucking deserved it for using Patreon. As did everyone supporting them also deserved to get robbed for paying money to patreon and actually expecting a product to come out of it at the end.
Here's the gist of it, if you want a product at the end of your money, then you should be giving your money only to actual crowd funding sites (Indiegogo would be a solid example of where this project COULD have been as Kickstarter does not allow adult content).
On Indiegogo, you are paying for a product in advance, you are still taking a risk by giving your money with no guarantee of quality but at least you are guaranteed SOME kind of product resembling what was advertised at the end or you get your money back. In addition you are paying only a single, one off payment in exchange for said product, which encourages the creators to complete the product, as advertised as quickly as they can manage to do so.
On Patreon the people behind the project are literally ENCOURAGED to be as lazy, slow and facetious as possible, it is quite literally better for them to string their patrons along for as long as possible because they are receiving constant payment.
If you pay someone by the hour, they will want to take as many hours as possible to finish the work. If you pay them a set amount at the beginning that they have to return if they can't do the work, they will be motivated to work as hard as possible.
Now I don't support crowd funding sites either, why throw your money at something when you have no guarantee that it will actually come out as what you want? But jesus fuck people, if you're going to throw your money at this type of stuff with no guarantee of getting what you've been promised, at least have the common sense to only do so in a way that doesn't literally make scamming you more profitable than actually making the product.
>>344988147
>Vanilly's word on the situation sort of verifies that the art wasn't the problem. The problem was the only thing getting done was art, and likely Schwig did the (immature) thing and left wordlessly to restart the project in the hopes that it actually got finished.
>H-Bomb also sort of verifies this by admitting he mismanaged the project and had Vanilly doing everything, and leaking Schwig's assets doesn't do his character any favors.
That's the impression I'm getting too. I mean, have you guys played Breeding Season? It's the sort of game that should take, at most, one week to complete. They've had a TEAM of people doing it for three years. What the fuck is taking so long? The answer is obviously that they had no interest in ever finishing it in the first place, and were just rolling in the free Patreon money.
>>344988442
The Legend of Queen Opala series
>>344988442
nightgames mod is really good
>>344988442
>wont be jacking off to this
I already blew two loads to the leaked assests
>>344987512
Go to /stg/ on /aco/
Find the anon project pastebin
look through the thread
Realize how little an independent programmer is worth
>>344988318
>>344987995
It isn't about how easy a job it is. People don't get paid for the difficulty of a job, they get paid for what they know and their time.
If this wasn't true, artists would make much more money than programmers. However, they're below minimum wage perma-interns and baristas, while Ren'Py programmers live like kings.
>>344988094
Holy shit this fucking reddit-formatting.
From whose perspective are we arguing?
>Stay on a project you see is going nowhere but still get money from people fully knowing neither you or them are gonna get a full product to play/put in your portfolio?
See, Vanilly is the one who out-and-out left. She handed in her notice. Purple-6 was being a shitter and apparently intended to leave at some point, and it is alleged he intended to do so on grossly unethical grounds.
Are you supporting vanilly's leaving? Or purple-6's intentions to leave and with most of the shit?
Are you purple-6, m8? You seem awfully supportive of him lmao.
So if you're developing a game, make sure nobody can just hold the entire project hostage?
>>344987269
Listne here, nigger.
Drawing is just putting pencil to a piece of paper and drawing lines on it that connect.
In your line of explaining, everything is easy. Go ahead and show me your custom ren'py modules, hero.
>>344976996
I could never get any of the animations to play...
>>344979224
>>344976996
Of course Breeding Season was never finished. What else do you expect when the entire business model relies on staying a work in progress forever due to only getting money for working and not getting money for the finished product.
It's either
A. Work on a game for one year and get paid for one year.
B. Work on a game for 10 years and get paid for 10 years.
The moment you're finished you no longer get paid. And people wonder why these patreon projects never actually brings fruit.
>>344988585
I guess I'm just ahardman to please.
Is there any sound in the leaked version or?
>>344979502
Israelis aren't Westerners
>>344977657
>getting 100% of $60/mo instead of 50% of $40,000/mo
>never being trustworthy or hireable to anyone in that field looking to hire thanks to your greed
Damn dude, I've heard of burning bridges behind you, but this is more like napalming a bridge while standing on it.
>>344977349
A double combo of a jew and a russian, is there a more untrustworthy person?
>>344988713
Not a whisper.
>>344988442
Kamidori Alchemy Meister is a SRPG where you control various monstergirls and run an alchemy shop. Its pretty good
>>344987512
This isn't me.
A good programmer is the difference between a game like katawa shojou and any other nameless VN.
You think these guys could make anything quality?
>>344988442
I guess there's DMM games but those are basically just H mobile games
>>344980019
That's not a life, fucking crazy gooks
>>344988759
Did they never get to it or is it just this one version?
>>344983473
Are you aware it's "dog eat dog" and not "doggydog"
>>344987269
you're not really coding then, you're using a tool
>>344988627
>If this wasn't true, artists would make much more money than programmers. However, they're below minimum wage perma-interns and baristas, while Ren'Py programmers live like kings.
Someone gets it.
There's a reason programmers make more starting than most other jobs make after a decade of working.
>>344976996
I just want to jerk off to pink shirt's cowtits
>>344986983
>Akabur
>>344988736
I don't know if you guys are memeing or what but this only recently popped up and nobody has made it 'public' yet.
Make fun of it after spurple actually announces this as his new patreon project, but at this point it is only a few people, probably form /v/, donating to it
>>344988856
Are you aware it's "ironic shitposting" not "bait"you're not meant to reply dummy
>>344988538
>The Legend of Queen Opala series
Worth looking at, but almost all the porn in it is extraneous to the gameplay. You find pornographic collectibles all over the place, but there's only a small handful of in-game scenes that are porn.
Another problem is that Opala 2's gameplay balance is legendarily broken to the point that endgame areas are impossible without absurd amounts of grinding (or just hex-editing your stats, which is recommended).
I already lost interest when it stopped being about bestiality but plain furry/monstergirl stuff.
Wait so whos at blame?
The artist or the head dev being a jew?
Regardless the artist is a fucking retard because this is basicly stamping in big red fucking letters "DO NOT HIRE ME EVER"
>>344988529
>On Patreon the people behind the project are literally ENCOURAGED to be as lazy, slow and facetious as possible
Thats your opinion man
Where some would see it as be as lazy and slow as possible because more money, others will see it as work doubly as hard so you can get more followers and make more money
Patreons such as Doxy are fucking GOAT because its all still free, but with this money he can invest in more stuff and making tutorials for others, which are pretty damn good
Sakimi Chan has been able to go full out on whatever she wants to do
And Plague of Gripes is based because he can focus more on his art, and hes removed Ads off his channel because he doesnt need them
>>344976996
As far as I'm concerned, Vanilly and the rest of the art crew are the only victims in this situation. I hope they sue S-purp for going behind their backs and using funds and assets from BS to jumpstart his own new game, and I hope Hart gets shamed into leaving the industry for being such a fucking retard.
>>344988087
The first version of the game had the player able to get visibly pregnant, which was removed because of "reasons".
>>344989121
Everyone is to blame.
>>344978079
>there are people who don't pick NRFS
>>344984140
This upset me too Anon
>>344976996
Friendly reminder Free Cities exists http://freecitiesblog.blogspot.com.au/?zx=617e9e45ac1a166e
Just in case any anons care more about writing and gameplay instead of drawings
Also rape! lots of rape! proper rape too; none of that "my hips are moving on my own" shit (though eventually you degrade their minds to that point)
Also the dev learned how to code as he created this; the period between version 0.5 and 0.6 was long as hell (relatively; it was a period of a month instead of his usual 1-3 week schedule) cause he was going back and fixing early fuckups
>>344988645
I'm supportive of everyone leaving it and taking as much as they are allowed to.
Vanilly was doing too much work for essentially nothing, Purp was doing work for essentially nothing and both of them and the fucking one other guy what's his face had at least something to show for it with streaming their work.
Only gibbering, shit slinging ape here is H who has done nothing but cry and point fingers while somehow simultaneously admitting he's a fuckup and also that he's somehow a fuckup because of literally everyone else but him. He's just fucking salty Purp left with literally the only appealing aspect of the project.
>>344989130
The two leaders just basicly fucked over both their futures ,who going to trust either of them now.
Since if you look at s-purps tumblr he hasn't posted in 3 weeks, estimate he spent 2 of those weeks working on his own project instead of BS, shows a person can't be trusted.
>>344988538
I wish the female party members you join up with actually got art instead of it all being of the royals.
>>344983783
>boating: 9pm monday june~november
>>344984140
not to mention there was too heavy an animation focus and a very poor gameplay/story focus (because the programmer is completely worthless and had no right to be the guy handling the money)
>>344988476
>people are dumb enough to back this
>A game with a Gaint dark skinned Milf Cow girl
Y-Yeah only a retard would back thisGod dammit I feel like a cunt but I really want this now because FUCK look at her
>>344989164
Really? That used to be the best trick in the original game, getting pregnant and getting that ridiculously broken human intellect trait.
I JUST WANTED TO BE A HUMAN
AND FUCK MONSTERS
WHY JEWS
WHY
out of all the shit on patreon, breeding season had the most money and the most toxic people.
Who woulda thunk it?
Everyone learned from them as an example of how not to fuck up and be unprofessional.
>>344976996
I loved the idea behind the game but it was not fun or hot to play. There is something weird about the art style that I cannot stand. I think its the lines.
>>344976996
Alright, that's it! I've decided to scam people on patreon like these fellows have.
I'm going to get an artist in on it and get them to make some pornographic furry 'game sprites'. Set up a patreon, advertise my 'game' that I am totally working on right now. Then every few months I'll post 'progress updates' and rake in dough while relentlessly stringing everyone along while I steal all their money and split it 50/50 with my artist chum.
Stupid morons will fall for it anyway, then a few years down the line I will announce that the game won't be happening after our hard drives crashed and we lost the entire game data irreparably. Sorry folks, the game is gone, can't finish it now, we just have to abandon the project. Thanks for the millions of dollars you stupid fucks!
>Game is called BREEDING Season
>has next to no actual pregnancy content
>furfag and gayfag influence everywhere due to patreon
Its existence is a mistake.
>>344987437
I'd like to do an H-game at some point, but I lack jewgolds, although my current team does have a sort of artist I could leech off of.
>>344989121
>Wait so whos at blame?
Everybody fucked up, except Vanilly I think.
H-Bomb is shit and mismanaged the entire thing, and is trying to push more blame on spurple than he deserves, I'm not buying the whole "Purps wouldn't let me hire people" shit.
Spurple took advantage of the contract and basically said they aren't allowed to use his art and refused to sell it to him, and went off to make his own game.
I mean the contract said clearly that purps could just take his assets and leave but it was probably under the assumption that he wouldn't do that, poor thinking on their part.
But basically th guy threw a shit fit and basically 'gave away' all the assets to the game in hopes of making purps mad, and he did his damnedest to paint purps in a bad light, hoping to ruin his career and reputation.
The patreon for purps' new game is up, but nobody knows who found it or how it was leaked because it was never made public, this all just recently happened, probably in hopes that it would spread before purps had the chance to defend himself. The loudest people are always right.
But who knows if he'll even bother trying to defend himself, or if he'll air out all of hbombs dirty laundry about how shit at managing he is
This S guy sounds like a piece of shit which is a shame because k still like his art style.
I'm waiting to hear Shwig's side of it, but Vanilly's resignation is very telling of two things:
H-Bombs failings as the Lead
Shwig's failings is Art Director
Both are shitty, and inexcusable.
Also, knowing Shwig, it was clear early on when he joined the project that he was injecting ideas into the game and inflating it into something that would never be completed. All the tell-tale Shwig things, multiple factions with intricate designs, side stories, suits of armor and robots, Shwig wanted the game to be his own thing.
Did anyone find a .fla file that had anything inside it? All that I opened with flash player 22 turned out to be broken.
>>344989414
learn to love good games instead of good art
you should cum for the game and the art should cum second.
if you want good art go to sadpanda (obv not for western/misc) /aco/ orfuraffinity you sick fuck you disgust me kys
>>344989527
>I JUST WANTED TO BE A HUMAN
Why?
>>344989327
>Purp was doing work
Funny because he wasn't showing any of it. I find it highly interesting that Purp has a contract with clauses that let him take fully half of the entire savings and all of his work assets and whose contract is suspiciously void of a non-compete clause lmao
>>344989527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43f6SSEW8iA
>>344986005
Not the first time I hear this.
>You can even get away with reusing some assets.
You can say this to every gender.
>A male protagonist requires many different girls/designs and a lot of extra work.
Some people did it and it worked really fine and the games sold really well. Robf for example.
Different chick designs seem to be more fun and even easier than designing all sorts of monster for the female mc.
>Also, the focus is less on one static character you're controlling and more on the new girl, so it's hard to have the same impact.
True but that doesn't concern me. But on the other side I get tired of one chick quick. And that's not only me.
>>344984704
Writing
In
A
Porn
Game
>>344989713
Human on furry is pretty good
>>344989741
What's a great main course without a great starter?
>>344989615
S purps' actions were literally illegal, he was funneling assets and money from BS into his new game. He deserves every ounce of shit he gets.
>>344988442
Actually good ones? Look for the ROBF series it actually is well done and is animated.
>Breeding Season
>remove all content related to pregnancy in the very second version
????
I remember Super DeepThroat. Do you?
>>344985571
>hurple hurr its just words put together lel any1 can rite tho
But honestly, nobody ever gives writers any respect at all because everybody 'writes' all the time, like blog posts or letters or posts on mongolian throat singing forums. It's like if everybody had to draw a stick figure every day for some arbitrary reason, which gave everybody the collective delusion that they were all artists who could easily paint that masterwork painting, if they cared to put the time in.
I'm not a writer myself but there's endless stories of them being expected and told to work for free because the manager thinks their job is so meaningless and simple, despite being the lynchpin of many projects (not necessarily video games, but movies and shows and shit).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE
>>344989414
tfw no good games with cowgirls ;_;
>>344989715
He was showing work pretty regularly, he stopped showing work roughly around the time frame Vanilly and Hbomb mention him disappearing.
>>344989872
Furfags took over and forced their /d/ shit in the game with money bundles.
They fund the game. Not pregnancy fags who were the original fanbase.
Monster Girl Island seems like a better project anyways. One man programming, drawing, modeling, and mapping an entire island of waifus. God bless him.
>>344989423
Sorry, that's what I meant by first version, the original game that was just by H-Bomb. And yeah it was broken as hell.
>>344989580
That was the biggest let-down for me to, judging from some posts by Vanilly and the others, pregnancy was deemed as "lol gross" and was written out of the game in place of "magic sex portals".
>>344989580
It doesn't? I played the one on /f/ years ago and it was only about breeding.
>>344989121
>Doxy
>Sakimi
>Plague
All of them are fucking shit-tier though.
Doxy rides the trending cartoon bandwagon with fucking samey shit that everyone hates Legoman for.
Sakimi is a dime a dozen on DA generic chingchong animu artist. Could fucking switch places with Zeronis and nobody would notice.
Plague is just hilarious that he has the confidence on giving anatomy advice considering how his shit looks.
>>344989303
>Text-Only
Pointless.
If I can't see the sexy pictures what's the fucking point?
That's like reading an erotic novel like some kind of middle-aged woman.
Come back when you have something with actual PICTURES or animations of the rape. I don't want a fucking text adventure where the words 'penis' and 'vagina' and 'fuck' happen to occasionally come up.
>>344988476
>no demo
>little art
>only a concept
>TIME TO MAKE A PATREON
>>344989701
Im kinda taking a break from Panda
In 1 week I stumbled across this one about Cow girls, which is basicly real life cows but they're also girls, so yeah, pretty sad
And also pic related, this was a thing....why did it have to be a thing
>>344989924
I might have you covered, just wait like, 3 years at least
I need to get good at art
>>344978079
>elaborate
>this shit
Christ western artists are shit at 2d
>>344989961
Fuck off Purple.
>>344989715
http://s-purple.tumblr.com/tagged/breeding-season
>>344988627
>It isn't about how easy a job it is.
Yes. It. Is.
>People don't get paid for the difficulty of a job, they get paid for what they know and their time.
Those things are tied, idiot. The more difficult a job is, the fewer people can do it, and the fewer people can do a job, the better position they're in for negotiations. Coding a visual novel is trivially easy, and thus the amount of people who can do it is huge, and thus there has never been a superstar VN programmer while there ARE superstar VN artists and writers. Caring about who programmed your VN is like caring about who cleaned your toilet.
My favorite porn game is still undefeated. I shame it is the only game of its kind.
>>344990007
The original idea was making a game in that you the player can have sex and offspring with monster girls/boys whatever.
But furfag influence removed the offspring part and turned it into a /d/ festival.
Like CoC which was originally about you turning into a monster with it ending up being a 20x horsefuck a 550 inch simulator with traps everywhere.
>Doxy offered to be the new head artist
S-purple on suicide hotline.
>>344989893
Your art example is bad, because art is generally considered not a job, and the pay reflects that. Animators make basically no money despite being a very demanding job that requires pretty rigorous training.
This thread's attitude towards artists even reflects that. Uppity artists demanding to be paid money etc.
>>344989615
>and went off to make his own game.
he did it in secret while he was getting paid $9000 a month to work on breeding season, even though he didnt do any work for months, because he was making his own game
>>344989993
>pregnancy
>a fetish i have for a long time
>gross
good that they never going to finish this game then
>>344988087
I believe at one point there was an actual pregnancy mechanic.
Also it seems as if its a way to avoid actual pedophile shit by making them give birth to adults despite the neo trait
>>344990202
Makes sense.
I've been trying to find a furfag artist for a VN.
Furfags part with their money well for their fetish.
Is the new version any good though?
>>344990096sauce on cowgirls pls
>>344982401
So VN is not really game?
>>344977490
>no facials or herm
Garbage
>>344990227
>the art will now go from bad to worse
Might as well start jacking off to Weaver's art.
>>344990158
>Yes. It. Is.
Is that why backend web design pays so well, but animation isn't enough to live off of?
Employers don't pay for effort.
>>344989715
This is what happens when inexperienced children with no background or understanding of business gets put in charge of millions of dollars to run a business.
>>344990227
doesn't that guy have multiple patreons of his own? where would he find the time
>>344980341
>a work schedule like that is fucking retarded
Welcome to Japanese working culture, one of the most retarded of their kind.
>>344989967
>furfags took over
it was never anything else mate
it's just reddit furfags took it away from the 4chan furfags
different breed of degeneracy
>>344990378
Do you actually think Doxy is a worse artist than Shwig?
Shwig has made great strides over the years, but anatomy has always been his downside. The reason the art looks good in BS, if you think it does, is the help from Vanilly and Subtank.
So after reading the thread I checked out Monster Girl Island.
Is this a meme? I don't think one person is really doing all this; and if so, wouldn't it make sense not to back it since it would be prone to the whims of one person?
>>344982616
A basic shit VN? Yeah.
One with custom Python modules? Nope.
You will literally have only click-to-continue because they will be too stupid to use any plugins or actually code Python.
It's like how when someone asks me to make them a store webpage for 100 dollars when I charge 10-20 grand for that.
People think the shit is easy, but they can't do it.
>>344990202
Then I can see why the artist fucked them over. The original idea was much better.
>>344990378
hey fuck you doxy's art is good
>>344990341
Be warnedhttp://exhentai.org/g/770213/d96589343b/
>>344990563
Shwig doesn't draw trout lip furries, so yes Onta is a worse artist.
NEVER EVER accept a patreon or kickstarter for anything that lets the donators be part of the development.
It ALWAYS ends in a desaster or a product with mediocre-bad quality.
>do patreon
>people who want to support me and my stuff give me money because they like the stuff that i make and nothing else
>in return i might give patreon users demos and sketches or some personal informations
Thats how it should be.
Not garbage like :''Dude, i pay you 200 dollars a month so just fucking put my Fursona into your game and also add multiple dicks for everyone because thats the entire thing my Fursona is about''
>>344990661
Go away Doxy
>>344989818
>Starter
You mean appetizer? Christ, I could write a game better than you despite spending 2011-2013 programming an XNA-based game.
>>344990416
I have a feeling spurp knew exactly what he was doing when he wrote the contract
>>344990671
>http://exhentai.org/g/770213/d96589343b/
good shit right there famalam
>>344990570
I recognize that spider butt!
>>344990724
what don't you like about it? the style?
>>344990671
I love this one.
>>344990687
Doxy can draw other kinds of lips, Shwig can't draw good boobs on his own.
>>344990772
This spider needs to die like right now
>finally someone does some impregnation stuff
>gets taken over by furfags
>and after that gets canned by a jew
>>344990378
doxy is way better than shekelstein
>>344990732
>you mean [word that is literally synonymous]
You pick out that shit, but you didn't criticize me for calling the main course "main course" instead of entrée, so now I know you're a pleb who can't actually write.
Did you cucks really pay 20k a month for this shit?
>flash game
>no tooltips
>like 8 races
>hardly any scenes
>hardly any content
>literally the whole patreon was banking on drawing you with the exuberant explanation and the art
how many months was this funded for?
>>344990856
Neither can Onta. He's been drawing gay furshit for so long that all his girls look like the faggot boys he used to draw but with botched implants.
>>344990579
>One with custom Python modules? Nope.
>You will literally have only click-to-continue because they will be too stupid to use any plugins or actually code Python.
The funny thing is, you don't even seem to realize how completely unimportant that is.
Art and writing is the REASON people care about VNs at all. Nobody buys a VN for its sick "custom python modules". If you don't have a good artist and a good writer, your project is worthless even if you have a team of the 100 best coders in the world. If you do have a good writer and a good artist however, you can get fucking anybody to handle the tech parts, doesn't matter who, and if he gets a diva complex, just kick him out and get a different guy. It's fine.
>>344990809
I'm not a big fan of the way Doxy draws faces.
The rest is alright but I just can't move past the faces. Lips are nice, but the nose and the eyes always look off
>People think Shwig is a jew
kek
>thread hit bump limit without being taken down by mods
what madness has defiled this board to such depths of depravityhow come there's so many different d words for degeneracy
>>344991007
3 years.
So 36 months of idiots giving free money to people who probably never intended to actually finish this piece of crap in the first place.
>>344991079
>jewish name
>lives in fucking ISRAEL
>not a jew
>>344990528
Well, first version had dickwolves and stallions that actually looked like wolves and stallions.
Then Broquest artist came and made everything "buff dude with animal head and wide hips girls with animal legs"
>>344991168
Israelis aren't jews, they're Israeli
>>344991079
>surname Sandler
>lives in Jewville, in Jewland
I wonder who could be behind this post
>>344991024
All Akubar games are custom ren'py.
Also you can talk up artists all you want, but I have thousands to choose from that will work for next to nothing because it's more than they already make.
>>344991103
We've had like six or seven threads hit bump limit already.
>>344991007
>Did you cucks really pay 20k a month for this shit?
I seriously doubt anybody here paid anything for it. Even /v/ should be smarter than that.
>>344991079
>the goyim know
>>344991168
>Doesn't know the extensive Shwig lore
He's asian/russian, he lives in Isreal because his father had to move there for work.
https://legendofkrystal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=2954&cache=1
Reminder that if Shekelstein didn't come into the picture the game would have been finished by now.
>>344991257
This is made in Twine >>344989303
pretty complex for Twine too apparently
dude learnt it as he went
>>344991293
>even /v/ should be smarter than that
But wait:
>>344989414
>>344991257
>All Akubar games are custom ren'py.
And it doesn't matter at all.
It's fucking funny how you continue to act like VNs are hard to code.
https://www.patreon.com/yanderedev
How long till this gets canned?
>>344991024
I'm pretty sure I know who you are.
Did you ever even recover from having that artist completely fuck your ass?
Your writing is shit and your game took the "novel" in visual novel too literally. Your programmer made the VN harder to follow than any Lone Wolf book and the only reason you make any money is because of the art.
People would give a shit if your game were good, but it isn't, so you have to settle for not even a thousand a month split 5 ways. kek
>>344991293
a bunch of people here already said they'll give money to his new patreon
>>344991368
If only he learned to draw during these 3 years instead of letting Spurps trample over him. Hindsight's 20/20
guys wheres the imgur with the pin ups
>>344991336
And Serbia has Jews living there. And Shwig has a Jewish surname. And Israel will always open its arms to a Jew that can prove their lineage, because Aliyah.
>>344990227
source?
if i ever put my game up on patreon it would be a per release charge
monthly charging only makes sense for artists that can pump things out often. a long term project should never be monthly
>>344990180
StudioS has released tons of shit similar to it, at least fetish-wise. Just look at their library.
>Contributed minor work to the BroQuest 'game' with Shwig
>Sad, but not surprised to see this game fail
I like Shwig, but it was clear as development continued that Shwig wanted to create his own game, and BS was bloating to an unfinishable state because of it. I do wish him well, and that he's able to create the game he wants, but I'm eager to hear his side of the story.
A shame Vanilly had so much work on her plate towards the end though, that sounds like it sucked.
>>344991903
http://mylittledoxy.tumblr.com/post/147389677101/breeding-season-breeding-season-is-over-s-purple
>>344991903
Check Doxy's tumblr, it's the most recent post.
>>344991431
>VNs are hard to code.
Good ones are.
You think it's just menu choices and copying dialog, but it's full of scene transitions, animations, character placements, starting up sound, character transitions depending on dialog, screen effects; and all in a gigantic tree of fuckery that is dialog decisions.
It's a massive pain in the ass and can take longer to create a scene than it does to draw. I know this first hand.
Of course you could just do the menu/choices and create the dialogue tree while just displaying the character on the right and not changing anything. That's what most people do.
Then again no one plays a vanilla VN other than Katawa Shojou. There are thousands of unplayed VNs out there and all of them are most likely bad.
>>344992071
Why the fuck would you offer to work on a project that you just read this guy can't manage for shit?
>>344992270
maybe because the artist was getting paid over $9000 per month
>>344988363
Kickstarter is better because it at least has a defination of betray
>>344992270
Because if you only take H-Bombs side of the story at face value, then it reads less as "I'm shit at managing" and more "I made some mistakes, and I am the victim here".
Clearly Doxy doesn't much care to hear the other side of it.
>>344991903
>>344992071
I never knew I wanted this so much
>>344991983
Yeah I dunno either like, H-Bomb clearly mismanaged the project badly to the point of enabling this to happen but as someone who's had working experience with Shwig it doesn't surprise me that he's so imposing on projects he gets pulled into. From what I know some of the remnants that are still trying to make Shoulderon happen hate his guts.
>>344992270
Cause all of Doxy's projects end up failing and he needs money, coupled with knee-jerk reaction of Schwig being a bad guy without looking at any of the other surrounding perspectives.
>>344992071
>doxy spreading word of the jew
fucking rip, the boi is never gonna recover from this
