Holy shit it's fucking over! People have put nearly half a million into this and now they're getting nothing!
>>344963061
What is this and why should I care?
>>344963269
Biggest patreon funded hentai game.
>>344963061
We had three threads about this hours ago. You missed all the fun.
>>344963390
The fuck would you fund a game via Patreon for? At least with Kikestarter you're actually paying for a product and MIGHT be able to get a refund.
>>344963390
I see, and why it died? What is S-purple to begin with.
>>344963390
wow it's fucking nothing
>>344963473
those are weebs you're talking about
literal bottom feeders
>>344963269
some good folks were making an erotic game
people gave them money to make it
everything was good
then some guy on their team pulled some legal bullshit, took half the money, made his OWN thing WITH all that money, and basically sunk the game's chances of ever being finished. He also owns the rights to it or something, so they can't touch him.
>>344963061
Funny stuff
>>344963473
>you're actually paying for a product and MIGHT be able to get a refund.
lol no
it's literally the same shit as patreon
you're donating and you have no chance of getting your money back
>>344963456
Damn it. I've been dicking around trying to get uplay to workIt never worked and I had to refund a game
>>344963635
Never trust furfags.
>>344963735
Never trust a Vladimir, apparently.
>>344963490
S-Purple was the guy that did all the art. Was getting half the gold and now sunk the ship in an attempt to take it.
>>344963061
>>344963061
>>344963061
>>344963061
http://breedingseasongame.blogspot.ca/2016/07/breeding-season-is-over-s-purple-has.html?zx=75a49869525b824c
all you need to know
>>344963456
>Four threads in the archive
>600+ posts each
Holy shit, I did miss the fun. I'm gonna put on a pot of coffee and stew in this shit for a little while. Anything big I should look forward to?
>>344963918
>>344963907
guy who got fucked over decided to fuck over his fucker-overer and left the door open for the game assets
this seems like the final game version.
mega:///#!IAQHDQDY!nZlPPeLbBmfKIgLcQYe3iIpH87-qzGa9f6EUKKq5ljc
>Wouldn't it be funny, though, if just somehow some particularly dedicated fan were to guess the password to my Dropbox account (I'm the worst with coming up with secure passwords, I always put something obvious like the name of my favorite fighting game series or something) and were to get ahold of the folder containing every file involved in the game's creation?
A lot of salt but I guess its justified salt.
isnt the artist the old broquest artist or is that someone else
>>344963787
S-Purple/Schwig is an Israeli
>>344964437
yes, hes been shitting up every project hes been a part of for a while now, wonder if hes pulled shit like this before?
>>344964437
Yep, same guy.
>>344963061
Here's the truth, the whole team was incompetent from the get go and had no clue what they were doing, there wasn't a very clear plan from the beginning and there was too many clash of ideas on what to work on. The main problem was communication, these guys were highly unprofessional probably have never worked in a team environment or a proper job in their lives. Communication is important if you don't address how you feel to team mates problems start to arise and they did. Frustration with lack of goals, stalling led to gossiping about each other. So in the end they all wanted to quit.
>>344964464
So a man named Vladimir who scammed hundreds of people for thousands of dollars is also a jew?
Now this is getting hilarious.
>>344964558
>>344964574
What he do to broquest?
So where is the asset dump?
This is a good thing. Since the game had zero coherent vision it was probably gonna turn into design by committee garbage if they straightened out their shit.
Should have given the money to Rance translators. It's a damn shame.
>>344965113
>rsnce translators
Anon...
The real question I have now, did S-Purple also fuck over Bro Quest way back when?
I never followed those threads closely but I was interested in BS because he did art for Bro Quest.
>>344965113
mega.nz/#!IAQHDQDY!nZlPPeLbBmfKIgLcQYe3iIpH87-qzGa9f6EUKKq5ljc
Wait, people were paying for this? Top kek.
Breeding Season failed because H-Bomb was an incompetent manager and programmer who constantly misused money, failed to properly pay contributors, and did as little work as possible while taking a large cut of the donations.
Now he's trying to play the victim and push all of the blame off on S-Purple, who, while not blameless, definitely was not the primary cause of the project falling apart. S-Purple was not managing this project, and he was not responsible for assigning assets to the rest of the Art Team or determining where the money went. That was NOT HIS JOB.
While I can't say I personally have much faith in it or really, any of these trendy adult game concepts, Schwig's new project was an attempt to salvage what was left of Breeding Season's art assets (which he does actually legally own the rights to), without having to put up with H-Bomb's incompetence. BS itself was essentially already dead by the time that project went live.
You people are falling for a coward's attempt to dodge responsibility hook, line, and sinker, because you're too in love with "Jew/sneaky artist" narratives.
>>344963787
>>344964464
>tfw Vladimir
>tfw Jew
>tfw want to make porn for Patreon bucks
Why did it have to turn out like this?At least I'm not circumcised.
>>344965705
Use a fake identity
>>344965705
We all want to. I just can't trust you. To be fair, I can't trust any porn maker on patreon.
>>344965113
fuck the Rance translators
>>344965538
I don't think it helps that Schwig failed to respond to the allegations or come up with a convincing narrative of his own. I can buy HB being incompetent, but even so, from the looks of things Schwig did act in a pretty underhanded way the way he worked on a new project in secret. Obviously, we don't know the full story, but you gotta understand that people like to latch on to the first side they hear just because any story is more convincing than silence. If all goes well, Schwig will do a counterattack too and we'll have the pleasure of witnessing some huge drama. If he stays silent, that might just suggest that he has no defense.
>>344965916
There are only two guys so far worth od money and one of them released a full game and now he working a new project and already released a demo
They post on the western porn games thread on /aco/
>>344965538
>Schwig's new project was an attempt to salvage what was left
I think you meant
> Schwig's new project is the ultimate cash grab scam to fuck over donors some more
If you believe for even one second that anything will ever come out of this you are by far the biggest retard on this board right now
>>344965538
H-Bomb clearly said S rejected his attempts to get someone competent to manage the project.
He laid out a reason S fucked him at every step for attempting to get this shit in order. Ball is in his court or anyone else who can prove otherwise.
The fact he started a new project that cloned their existing one without telling anyone, EVEN THE PEOPLE HE'S TRYING GET TO HELP MAKE THE CLONE, makes him look like a complete fucking scumbag so I'm not inclined to trust him at all at this point.
Eh, nothing of value was lost.
I really hope this killed the furfag porn business, might shift funding to our glorious japanese h-dev overlords. Ooyari ashito (artist for LWR, Eiyuu Senki) is making a princess trainer game and his japanese kickstarter needs money, go fund him instead (or D&P if you're a nevereverfag).
>>344966149
Who are these two men you speak of?
>S-purple does it again
The asshat has been bailing and ruining projects before. Not exactly surprising that he is the one that killed Breeding Season in the end.
>>344966112
this, if schwing felt the boat was sinking he should have opend fire first and and been more public (especially scence he had controll of all art assets and half the funds) instead he went silent. thats gade a suspicious
>>344966251
H-Bomb is also saying that Schwig is "single-handedly" responsible for ruining the project, despite mismanaging the project the entire way through, and was the first person to publicly lash out in an attempt to control the narrative, so I cannot take anything he's saying as trustworthy.
For instance,
>H-Bomb clearly said S rejected his attempts to get someone competent to manage the project.
This is absolutely retarded. What kind of project manager has to go through his fucking art director on that kind of decision? Getting competent management if he couldn't provide any of his own was entirely H-Bomb's responsibility and trying to blame someone else for his own failure is just childish.
>>344966360
CypressZeta and another guy called HentaiWriter.
CZ has released a full fleged game called Overwhored and its working a visual novel. (Both of them involve mind control.)
>>344966358
>everything you just said
https://enty.jp/en
Japanese Patreon is better.
>>344966737
>This is absolutely retarded.
Is it?
>H-Bomb: Hey I want to hire a project manager
>S-Purple: No, I don't want to be managed.
>H-Bomb: That's unreasonable.
>S-Purple: You can't make me, I'll manage myself.
How hard is that to believe? In fact, I've seen this kind of stuff happen before in small circles.
RIP.
All the animations were tweening garbage, the gameplay was grind grind grind, and the project was visibly in shambles almost the whole way through.
Hentai games are fucking stupid. Why not just make animations? Why do retards who throw money at this crap feel the need to include a game element?
>>344966737
An art director that owns half the company
S-PURPLE DOES IT AGAIN
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>344965538
>management is retarded
>so let's hire a project manager like we told people we would
>no lets not
Alright yeah, S-Purple totally dindu nuffin
He fucked people over royally
>>344966737
i belive its because S was practically his buisness partner and clearly held much of the project under his control. hence how he could walk away with so much in the first place
>>344966459
>>344967028
How long can he keep going before he stops getting job? This is like the third time I've heard him doing shit like this.
>trusting artists
>>344967158
Can you list the other two? I'm interested
>>344966960
>>344967078
>>344967089
When project management is literally your job and it goes badly, that's on you.
>>344967158
>>344967260
I want to know, too. Was broquest one of them?
>>344967342
Oh fuck I totally forgot that he wrecked Broquest too.
>>344963735
furfags are usually the most trustworthy, its why so many artists like them, they pay on time.
that also means if you want to scam somebody they are a mark who pays, whereas nobody else does.
Nobody from here's putting forth the big bucks regularly.
>>344967234
I think you mean
>trusting Schwig
can someone give the assets to japs, they'll finish it.
>>344965538
Hey guys we got S-purp here. You fucking slavjew
>>344964985
Pretend to be interested in working on it
>>344967305
Isn't the real fuckup that he agreed to give half the project to him in the first place? How does it actually work when someone else has half the project you are trying to manage (incompetenly) and that person wont't cooperate?
>>344965538
And S-Purple is the good guy because he took the assets for himself and put them into another game which took time from the current game he was being handsomely paid for and...
Hold on that doesn't make sense.
>>344967305
>be programmer
>recognize you're not doing a good job as project manager
>cant hire someone to do it
sorry but youre being retarded for the sake of argument
your role in a team can and should change depending on the requirements and results
it's clear S-Purple was what made the project tank.
>>344967305
you keep convinently ignoring the fact that schwig owns half of the goddamn project, and is basically a co-manager. jesus its like you dont listen
>>344965538
>definitely was not the primary cause of the project falling apart.
he lied and stole from the project. Whatever issues there were, he is the reason its fallen apart.
>>344963514
iirc it was going to be good shit (bestiality) but then furfags came in and converted it to furfagism
apparently they kept redoing their fucking art
>>344963061
Another reason I'll never build the nerve to fund shit. I have the opportunity to pay for my dreams and this shit can happen, how upsetting.
>>344967205
>Exactly my point from the start. Programmer got this joke of a job done years ago and he's been getting paid to jerk off since then. Artist has been working consistently, apparently, and they're surprised that he's finally fed up.
This would make sense, if he didn't decide to embezzle the art assets for ANOTHER game with a potentially larger scope than before, as well as potentially REDOING THEM AGAIN, if the concept art is accurate.
>>344967715
Patreon clause prevented it from being a thing initially. It happened to be a happy coincidence that furries were allowed and also had the most money to spend.
>>344966358
>I really hope this killed the furfag porn business
You're joking, right? People have been drawing and selling furshit since long before the Internet even existed.
>>344967768
Kickstarter and its nsfw clones are fine. If you outline the whole project, launch your kickstarter with a demo build, and keep it reasonable then you can find success and finish what you start.
Patreon encourages you to drag out projects, bloat the scope, and keep making promises because there's no reason why you'd want to end a project. It's not what Patreon was meant for. It was meant for people who continually made standalone content, like video reviews, podcasts, paintings, etc.
Don't use PATREON if you want a dream project.
>>344967205
>>344967792
that and isnt it well known that the artist has been redoing shit over and over again, effectively stretching out the projects length?
>>344967715
that's dumb, i can understand if a project loses it's main artist/designer early on, etc and things go south really quickly, i can understand then if a project takes more years and goes slower than Molasses and have to redo the art and everything.
but these were the same people from the start to finish right? so they just changed basically the entire game to pander to furfags, and didn't lost any funds because of it?
>>344966737
>What kind of project manager has to go through his fucking art director on that kind of decision?
The kind of project manager who lets his art director have control of 50% of the game's money and 100% of the game's art, with an incredibly distinct, uncopyable artstyle.
Shwig basically fucking owned the company, man. There was no game without him. And he abused that power to run the game into the ground while more competent people tried to salvage it.
>>344963635
>>everything was good
Nice joke.
From DAY ONE, it was filled with lazy people. When it hit Patreon, idiot furries gave tons of money to it for no sane reason, and then they literally never released a single update. For a year or so.
They'd occasionally make a "we're totally working on it!" post, and they never were. People who are blaming the artist for this are completely braindead, nothing was stopping the original author from writing new stuff aside from his own laziness.
Imagine CoC, but instead of one update a month that adds some shit nobody wanted, imagine no updates ever and yet it still made 30k a month from desperate furries. I'm surprised they brought the gravy train to an end, the artist is an idiot for trying to make a new patreon to get 100% of nothing instead of half of loads of money.
>jewed three years of furbux
>killed Breeding Season and didnt even give project creator assets, setting it back to version 4.4
>serectly laundering money for secret project and literally pulled the rug out from under HBomb
>using the same assets to create a semi clone of previous work
Jews not even once
>even scummy enough to use the same connections for new project
cant say i didnt see this coming, i knew something was going on when shwig didnt stream for a month.
i guess this what happens when you are to much of a nice guy, no wonderjews were enslaved and forced to work for pennies
>>344967971
this
an actual project that is going to be completed sometime is something that's more fitting for kickstarter, patreon is more for people who regularly release content like art and shit
http://vanillycheesecake.tumblr.com/post/147379126450
http://vanillycheesecake.tumblr.com/post/147385830885lel
>>344968037
>nothing was stopping the original author from writing new stuff aside from his own laziness.
Dude, download the leak. There's a TON of writing finished.
>>344967792
It's not embezzlement, it's his own fucking work.
You're missing the point that this guy joined a team expecting a product to be made. Instead, he got a programming, writing, and design team that couldn't produce ANYTHING meaningful in THREE YEARS.
Why should a lazy programmer/writer/designer get paid $9k+ a month off of someone else's art assets? Instead of enabling a traditional lazy programmer, he broke off.
The fact that a game is literally RUINED because one (1) artist left is proof of this.
What should have happened is
>"Hey, I'm going to leave and I'm taking my art assets with me"
>This is extremely unfortunate, but we've been making programming/writing/design assets for three years straight and you've been slacking quite a bit, so it's not really that big a loss and we have enough money to hire a new artist anyways.
Yet that's NOT what happened because, surprise, the project is fucking nothing without an artist holding the carrot-on-a-stick.
>shwig stealing money like the jew he is
good goys
>>344967971
>>344968071
If you want to make your dream h-game, go do it.
Say does anyone know what happened to Noill's Succubus game that he hinted at? Did he ever launch that into production or no?
>>344968037
Except that's a lie. They had regular updates and the reason why development slowed down was because Schwig was constantly expanding the scope and no one could refuse him because he owned all the art assets.
>>344968028
i'm not entirely sure myself. i just know that bestiality was planned entirely but that now it's a furfag game.
and from more i've heard they kept having to redo their fucking art several times. it's commonly talked about on /d/
>>344968034
>with an incredibly distinct, uncopyable artstyle
Eh, look up Cubesona.
>>344968197
I guarantee you've never produced artwork for anyone.
You don't get to take your shit and run when stuff falls apart.
Programmers can't run with their code, teachers can't even run with their classroom exercises, you can't run with your artwork.
>>344968197
The embezzlement was him having someone on the team work on a competing project without telling them that it was for a competing project, while getting paid to do so.
>>344968310
Shwig got bored of his anime style and changed to a slightly more "mature" style with plainer faces. Just redid his own art for months.
>>344968197
he already got paid for his work
yes the guy who organized this was retarded but from just a strict business perspective they already paid him in exchange for the assets
>>344968197
>The fact that a game is literally RUINED because one (1) artist left is proof of this.
Not just an artist. He was the art director who owned the rights to all of the artwork.
They can't continue work on the game because he can DMCA them at any moment because they're competing with the other game he was secretly working on.
>>344968197
Are you retarded? It's a porn game, 90% of the content is based on the art. Art made across 3 years. Of course the project will dissolve if the jew of an artist decides to take everything with him overnight.
>>344968347
he owns the rights to his assets though, a real game dev company would've made anything he produces property of the company.
>>344968347
it depends on your contract, in this case it allowed the guy to still own the art he made for the game
no idea why the fuck anyone would put that in a contract seeing it makes no sense but thats what happened
>>344968197
>programmer/writer/designer
programmer/writer/designer/manager (because the artist wouldn't let him hire a better manager)
Who also OWNS THE GAME.
The only logs I see from S purple are him leaving, the rest is assumptions that H-bomb is lying about anything.
H-Bomb is acting exactly like my old server manager of mine, who now has a public blog documenting screenshots of him over years and documenting all the lies he's made to numerous online groups.
Just because one guy may or may not be to blame, doesn't automatically make the other guy a person who doesn't lie.
There's some evidence he has to back it up but it's another to instantly agree with everything he says based on what he showed.
That said I have no clue, but my bet would be on both the faggots having fucked up the project, while swig might be what's putting the final nail in it.
>>344968280
>the reason why development slowed down was because Schwig was constantly expanding the scope and no one could refuse him because he owned all the art assets.
Breeding Season in its current form can be fully programmed in under a week. The writing and all other non-art assets shouldn't take too long either.
Let's be generous and give them, let's say, three months. Three months to make what shouldn't take more than a week.
Now, here's the $1 million question:
>What possible features could this guy have recommended that would have turned a 3-month project into a 3-year one?
>>344968436
>>344968448
if that's true then whoever did those contracts was a fucking moron
Yeah but the art style is generic pseudo anime tripe.
For that money they could have hired a struggling Doujin artist or top tier r34 artist and sent his ass packing. Even sued him for the money and let him have his art assets.
>>344968197
Schwig is the one that kept putting more and more work into it when it was not necessary. One top of redoing the assets on his own accord, he decided to keep adding more monsters to do scenes with. He fucked himself over, not the programmer/writer.
He needed a project manager to tell him to not completely redo everything, let alone twice, as well as randomly add more content which requires exponentially more work, time and resources into than originally intended.
And now he fucked his own good well with everyone by pulling this number.
How is he supposed to do another, bigger game if he does shit like this?
>>344968310
this is true, hell even i knew that the artit was a time wasting bafoon and that was over a year ago.
>>344968313
They're friends.
Hell pretty sure Cubesona used to do porn too.
>>344968459
>Breeding Season in its current form can be fully programmed in under a week
That's bullshit though.
The game was reeving huge amounts of cash for what is essentially play shapes level flash animations inside a bare bones VN.
And it barely updated anything in over a year.
I don't see how anyone is supersized by this outcome.
>>344968492
thats what weave been saying.
h-box fucked himself over, and diddnt realize it until it was too late.
>>344963473
>>344963650
exactly. At least with patreon it's more obvious too.
You're giving a dude money. If he uses it to make his game, that's fine. If not, well, that's how patreon works and you cancel your donation.
Kickstarter makes people think they're paying to receive a product when it is completed, but this is absolutely not the case. You're donating, exactly in the same fashion as patreon. Nobody is beholden to spend their kickstarter money on the project that was funded, and obviously nobody is beholden to complete their project even if they do spend the money on it.
>>344968571
"Programmed."
Not the art, the programming.
CONCLUSION:
S-bomb was stupid with the contract and everything but he sorta tried
Schwig was a gigantic faggot through a through
But the biggest morons were the patrons
Right?
>>344968448
>>344968492
The programmer did the contract up back before the game was even on Patreon, when it was just a shitty flash game, and he didn't think it'd be NEARLY this big. He was 3 years more naive and thought he was starting a shitty throwaway project, not a 3+ year long lifesucker.
And why did you not read the blog post? Why does nobody read the fucking blog post, and then assume that they should comment?
>>344967342
he tried to make a shooter with vanilly, lonestar something.
It didnt even get a demo
>>344968347
Except Shwig did.
You can't really blame a programmer for being lazy when he finished all the necessary code years ago and the artist just "gets bored of his style XD" and changing it before he even finishing anything. Any decent studio out there would fire you for doing that.
Blame him for being a gullible idiot. For giving absurd contracts. For scratching his balls when he could've researched into the jew. But programming. That was a thing he was done ages ago.
>>344968675
Did they know about the retarded contract before this? They're pretty stupid to sit and wait for Shwig redrawing autism though.
>>344968695
why should I have to read to shitpost fuck that noise
>>344968675
Probably
Spot on
Spot on
>>344968630
That's still bullshit.
You're also forgetting the animation that needs to be done which is a fuckton because every creature needs to have an animation where they fuck with every other creature.
>>344968675
I mean yeah. At least with Fenoxo people knew he could pull off something of that scope as he had pretty much already done it.
These guys had fuckin nothing.
>>344968786
He said the PROGRAMMING.
The art assets are an entirely different beast.
>>344968313
shwig, cubesona and binarypen had similar artstyles.
Then shwig cucked binarypen and had a fallout with cubesone
>>344968786
What does that have to do with programming?
>>344968456
He has more proof than anyone else has presented, and at least some of that is definitely true, because he has logs and you can go and see Shwig's new game's Patreon.
There's no reason to believe he's lying, especially since Shwig hasn't said a word in response.
>>344968675
>>S-bomb was stupid with the contract and everything but he sorta tried
No. If he had any kind of sense or was putting any actual effort into the project, none of this shit would have happened.
The full blame lies on the project manager for misusing funds so hard. Getting out-jewed by a jew doesn't somehow remove blame from you for hiring that jew.
But anyone who donated for any reason is obviously the biggest moron in the galaxy, that hasn't changed at all since day one. You were retarded for pledging a dollar when the Patreon started, and you're still retarded now.
>>344968456
this is the most likely answer. its unfortunate, but honestly the most probable reason.
>>344968829
And I'm calling bullshit on what he said.
>>344968786
And that was vanilly's work which imo , was the hardest and most exhausting. But who the fuck cares, she jumped the boat before the iceberg.
>>344967387
Broquest was a bunch of idea guys and no programmers multiple times.
>>344968695
if you're starting a shitty throwaway project why even have a contract?
> also allowed him to retain the rights to his artwork, under the assumption that if either of us ever chose to leave the project that they would be able to then sell their portion of the product to the other, or negotiate for royalties
this just makes absolutely zero sense. there's NO REASON to do this instead of just retaining rights to the work, the guy's an idiot
>>344968868
>The full blame lies on the project manager for misusing funds so hard.
The one that the Art Director refused to have hired?
>>344968347
>>344968395
>>344968454
>>344968514
A lot of you apparently weren't here for last thread, so I'll reiterate my point.
Breeding Season is a JOKE of a game from a programming, writing, and non-art perspective. It's a barebones point-and-click flash spreadsheet simulator, a genre meant to be entry-level for programmers. You can see exactly how much writing the game has in the leaked files. The game is practically NOTHING without the art.
So, we have an programmer/writer/designer who shit out a quick game in a month three years ago, then has done VIRTUALLY NOTHING outside of upkeep for the past three years, despite taking in $9k a month. If this programmer actually WERE working this whole time, his game would absolutely reflect 3+ years of work instead of the empty mess it is now.
Then there's this artist, S-Purple. He's getting paid the same amount as this do-nothing programmer, yet he's been consistently putting out art assets over the course of three years. Sure, he started over twice, but that shouldn't have had a SINGLE IMPACT on the progress of the rest of the team.
So this artist is getting a shitload of flack for pulling out of a dead-end project, yet not a SINGLE PERSON is criticizing the absolute clown fiesta that the rest of the team consists of.
>>344968887
Yeah, Vanilly had way too much work to do. They had set up the game to have around 1500 animations to do, and Vanilly took 2-3 days to finish one animation. That's obviously a huge recipe for failure.
>>344968883
You're also using examples that don't relate to the point he made.
>>344968843
I noticed that both shwig and cube are kinda volatile. They both have bad reps/ made some pretty volatile posts.
Binarypen seems cool though I haven't seen him in a while.
>>344964851
I have a slavjew friend, he's surprisingly alright, but reserved.
>>344968868
>The full blame lies on the project manager for misusing funds so hard.
you mean shwig?
>>344968961
>If this programmer actually WERE working this whole time, his game would absolutely reflect 3+ years of work instead of the empty mess it is now.
Well, considering Schwig keeps adding stuff, he gets to script/write new events and such.
So who got it worse?
MN9 Fags or BS Fags?
Smaller scale but has to be BS, yeah? 2+ years of getting cucked out of your money for this.
>>344968961
nice try shwig, you won't weasel your way outta this one with scapegoats!
>>344967440
Isn't Schwig actually from Israel?
>>344968961
if the artist is redoing all the art on his own accord, without the consent of the rest of the team and the rest of the team is just sitting around waiting for him to finish
it's on the artist
>>344968961
Why didn't they hire more artists then?
>>344968893
Didn't a lot of programmers actually come forth and volunteer?
>>344968935
>if you're starting a shitty throwaway project why even have a contract?
Because he wanted to offer the artist good terms for his services? Because you literally always need a contract?
>the guy's an idiot
Nobody's disputing that it was a dumb move, but do you have any idea how many otherwise perfectly fine business ventures have gone under because of tiny, stupid mistakes way back in the beginning? Especially with contracts? It's not like he's the only person, hell, the only game dev to have something like this happen to him.
He obviously wouldn't do it again, and probably regretted it within a few months, but by then it was too late. By the time he'd wizened up he couldn't do anything.
>>344969007
Binarypen has been mia for a while, I think he left the tumblr scene. Good for him
what I can get is that the amateur artist scene in tumblr is really shitty and full of divas
Anyway vanilly is a qt3.14
>>344969128
You need people who can design a game, as well.
>>344968868
The only reason I don't ultimately blame H-Bomb is because he probably didn't know what to do with himself. It sounds like the contract was drawn up well beforehand. Also, deep down I get the feeling he knew that if he made Shwig leave he'd be fucking himself over since the draw for his art was strong.
I can't hate him for trying to make the best of a bad situation, especially when he underestimated how popular it'd be by a long shot and at least tried to get someone to do proper project manager. It's just that the star attraction wasn't cool with that, namely because that guy would likely be smart and ask him to re-contract and/or manage the project properly enough for them to have something of worth.
>>344968961
Maybe, anon, people aren't criticizing him sheerly because he pulled out, but because he was an immature asshole about doing it? You know, how he skipped out on work for a month and still took money, then proceeded to jew one of the devs of Breeding Season to work on his new project without even telling him that it was for his new jewject, then proceed to up and leave out of nowhere after that? We like to call that autism in the business. Not getting social cues and all that. Maybe if he had spoken with civility in advance and been polite, and proceeded to let H-bomb keep the art (what would shwig do with it anyway, it's not like he can pick up BS on his own), we wouldn't be flakking him so much, huh?
>>344969141
TOPKEK
did you save the other pics of his face?
>>344968981
2-3 days was actually pretty fast. Considering she animated all the variations. But she was stuck waiting for some goyim to redesign his shit forever.
>>344968961
no seriously, shut up shwig, only a moron can't see that S-purple isnt the core source for all this drama and every major problem the game has gone through, everyone knew about it for a long time too.
>>344968961
i was there during the whole fiasco and Hbomb got shit on out the most of them and the fact that he didnt even give him the assets r at least let him buy it since he is oh so a fountain of creativity, he decided to let it all crash and burn and then he makes the exact same replica of the previous game.
fuck off you NEET, dont you have your army service to do.
>>344968961
>programmer/writer/designer
PROGRAMMER/WRITER/DESIGNER/MANAGER
BECAUSE THE ARTIST WOULDN'T LET HIM HIRE A BETTER MANAGER
WHO OWNS THE GAME, AND IS ABSOLUTELY ENTITLED TO ANY AMOUNT OF PAY NO MATTER HOW UNFAIR IT IS, EVEN IF HE DIDN'T DO ANY WORK
AND YES, MANAGING AN INTERNATIONAL TEAM OF CAPRICIOUS YOUNG ARTISTS IS A VERY TIME-CONSUMING AND DIFFICULT JOB
>>344969151
>Binarypen has been mia for a while, I think he left the tumblr
Shame, he was the nicest of the bunch and I think talked to me a bit way back.I only recently decided to do nsfw stuff and am enjoying my time on tumblr after having left my sfw blog for a long time.
>>344969042
well, mighty number 9 is better than nothing
This was just the tip of iceberg.
Look at pic related.
HentaiWriter tries to shill everwhere. On 4chan, Ulmf and even in the comments multiple times.
Patreon was a mistake anyway.
>>344969097
>if the artist is redoing all the art on his own accord, without the consent of the rest of the team and the rest of the team is just sitting around waiting for him to finish
>it's on the artist
The artist starting over doesn't magically erase lines of code. It doesn't delete a script saved to your computer. It doesn't invalidate design documents.
When you're programming a game, you don't just masturbate in the corner while you wait for an artist. The entire team works with placeholders that get replaced as the artist finishes assets, not the other way around.
You know what should have happened?
>"Hey, I want to start over with my art"
>That kind of sucks and sets us back, but okay. We'll keep working on the code/script/design. It's not like this affects our progress.
Except that's NOT what happened and the absolute lack of assets from everyone other than the artist proves this. If it were "on the artist", we'd see an actual product that took three years to code and write, not a ten-minute flash adventure.
>>344969245
Sure, 2-3 days might be fast, but when you have 1000+ animations to do, it's not nearly fast enough. It's just too much for one person to handle. It'd have taken them over a decade to finish all the animating.
>>344969295
good luck my man.
if you need advice try to talk with noill, coro, gats or even vanilly.
They are all nice
>nicest of the bunch
I hope he is doing fine now, he kinda got blackballed after the cucking
>>344969151
>thick eyebrows, bangs, and sleep marks under her eyes
unfsorry vanilly i cant help it
So is Roundscape the biggest Patreon funded H game that's still going right now?
>>344969427
>RPGmaker
please no
>>344969374
>The artist starting over doesn't magically erase lines of code.
No, but it pushes the release date even more.
If he stuck with the first designs, the game would have been completed already.
He alone is the one that caused the situation.
>>344968961
friendly reminder that you live in Israel and draw explicitly illegal content for a living
>>344968710
>>344969421
she fine my man
>tw no neet artist gf
>>344968961
Reminds me of the misuse of funds in the Wizardry series in the 90's. Like how they paid a self professed "RPG expert" $200k to go off on his own and make RPG shit for the game for a year, only for him to come back with nothing, only for him to get paid again and run off with the money (yes, they paid him his year's salary up front).
>>344963787
>Never trust a Vladimir, apparently.
well duh
>>344968883
Are you a programmer?
I could knock out the skeleton of a generic jRPG engine in SDL/C++ in about a week. It's not like it is uncharted ground, you don't really need to sit down and make major design choices.
>>344969360
this cant be real
>checks blogspot
LMAO IT'S REAL HOLY FUCKING KEK
DO THEY HAVE ANY SHAME AT ALL
>>344963061
the idea was cool but the art and animations were so fucking disgusting and unfappable jesus christ
only thing that gave me a boner was that tittymonster lady you meet at the beginning who talks about horse cum or something
>>344969427
A full fledged RPG with H right?
>>344969379
Totally agree on that. She needed a helping hand. 1000+ 2d Animations are just too much for one person to handle. Also, by the time she would be close to finishing, They would have redesigned the monsters again for a 10th time.And she's kind of a qt3.141592
>>344969360
He's being an advertisement whore.
It's real shitty but he's not fucking anyone over like Shwig, just showing his own shamelessness.
>>344968710
she looks tired
i want to put her to sleep with my warm cummy in her tummy
>>344969374
if you're making a shitty flash game / spreadsheet game / visual novel then the its like a 20/80 programming to art split, you can literally finish all the programming and just be sitting around waiting for the art with nothing left to do
>>344969374
and what would they program? like seriously this argument is absolute shit. the game is centered around the art and animation assets. the occasional new line of code for, would you guess it, new art assets/animations is all the can do after the initial coding and game structure. which was completed.
everyone had done their job, and were waiting on the artist/co creator to finally let them know he had done his.
>>344969653
>she
>>344969491
>>344969620
Why would I want my H-game to be an RPG? I don't want to have to grind all day to get to the next scene. Dumb ass "designers"
>>344969681
The thing is, looking at the development, they were constantly adding shit.
The guiltiest thing H-Bomb did is not solidify what the "endgame" of his project would be, the point where he and everyone else stops adding new events, buildings, items, characters, or monsters, and just focus on polishing and finishing it.
At best you can argue there's no reason it was still an Alpha in three years. Any other group would have just said "no, no more, that doesn't fit in the game design document, doesn't change the game on a big scale in a good way, so trash it" and moved on to bettering the current assets and killing bugs.
But that also is something a proper Project Manager would've done. Might've been better to just deal with an upset Shwig early on to go around and get one. Back then he might not have been willing to drop the project simply because of how much money it was bringing in.
>>344969910
Then make it an easy RPG that doesn't rely on a lot of grinding.
>>344969326
At this point, I'm not even sure about that anymore...
>>344969910
Have you never played an H-RPG before? They're relatively easy.
>>344969507
>>344969681
>you can literally finish all the programming and just be sitting around waiting for the art with nothing left to do
>If he stuck with the first designs, the game would have been completed already.
Which, again, goes back to my original point.It also throws the "But S-Purple put too much on the programmer's plate!" argument right the fuck out.
Breeding Season doesn't take a long time to code or write for. It absolutely doesn't take three fucking years, even if your artist is demanding something nuts.
So unless the programming/writing/design team is SO INCOMPETENT that it took them multiple months/years to put together a point-and-click spreadsheet simulator, they've been sitting on their hands for months if not years now.
That's up to three years of sitting around being paid $9k a month to do literally nothing, while an artist pumps out art over and over for months on end just to put money in your pockets. Last thread I was informed that S-Purple updated regularly up until last month, including regular 8-16 hour streams to show off progress.
Why WOULDN'T he leave? He's literally the full reason behind the game even existing. These other jokers have literally nothing, yet they're getting paid for his work. If they actually had a product worth selling without him, then S-Purple leaving would have had ZERO impact on the game or Patreon.
This whole fiasco is just your average lazy programmer throwing a tantrum that his source of income finally left, and that he'll finally have to actually work after three years of getting a free ride.
actually good high quality brothel simulator on steam when
>>344969981
this shilling
fuck off scwhig
>>344969981
>It also throws the "But S-Purple put too much on the programmer's plate!" argument right the fuck out.
No one argued that at all. Schwig is just laying the work on himself on his own accord. He has himself to blame for making the game take as long as it did.
H-Bomb's mistake was a shitty contract because he assumed Schwig wouldn't pull a suicidal move like this.
>>344969936
project managers don't make a difference if your egotistical artist is in charge of the project and won't listen to anyone
Honestly if you can't finish a project because you're bored of it what makes people think you're not going to run off and do the same thing on the next one? Doesn't matter who did what, that alone looks bad for S-Purple even if everyone was a fucking idiot. Just one unfinished project after another.
Simple: Don't give any of them money, ever. Everyone involved looks bad right now.
>>344969948
>>344969978
If they're piss easy and bland then why bother making it an RPG in the first place?
>>344965538
https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow
So you're one of the idiots funding this scam?
>>344969963
ay, i got to play a free debug version of the game and make some mediocre porn of the final boss,
>>344969910
What kinda drags H-Games down is that the people developing them basically think they should also be trying to design games and not thinly veiled CG/Animation galleries.
Crossing Knightmare had a problem with that too. Eventually they just added a patch to unlock all the CG (which would normally have to be unlocked after doing the fucking Greatest 90s RPG Bullshit several times for the endings, especially since you had to toggle what type of bad ending you want) and the expansion pack just let you unlock it all from the start and also had an alternative CG/Scene viewer just in case you didn't want to be assed to even pretend you'd play the game.
>>344970087
Yeah and back then he wouldn't have done so much that booting his ass and finding someone else wouldn't have killed the project.
>>344969981
Considering he's getting 190,000k, he's been compensated very well for his work already.
>>344969981
Should have hired a project manager to make Schwig stop adding/redoing stuff.
>>344969981
oh fuck off shwig, we know its you, nobody else has any reason to slam h-box this hard with such poor logic, and defend himself so thoroughly with the same arguments ad-nausiem.
>multiple 500+ post threads about an unfinished furry porn game
Why?
>>344970263
why the fuck do you need to hire a "Project manager" to tell him to do something dumb when everyone else on the team was apparently saying it to him
>>344970317
Beats talking about pokemon go.
>>344970119
lmao it looks even worse than breeding season
>>344970083
Well, now that the problem worker is gone, Breeding Season should succeed, right? They raised almost half a fucking million dollars, and only had to give $190k of that to S-Purple. That's still a shitload of money to hire as many artists and managers as they want, especially since it's not like the money train was going to stop rolling any time soon. S-Purple can't even stop them with his retarded management! They should be breathing a sigh of relief. They lost their art assets, but they should be able to recover considering they're one of the most-funded projects on Patreon.
But, oh wait, they didn't hire a new artist. Or a manager. Instead, they just straight-up shut down the whole Patreon! I wonder why. Didn't they have a game they've been developing for three years? They should be able to market that, shouldn't they?
>>344970317
Because /v/ is nearly all furfags.
>>344970361
Is that Olgierd's outfit from Witcher 3?
>paying for porn
>paying for porn, hell, anything when you have no way to make sure you will get it
lol
Serves everyone right. The internet is not understood properly by any laws, and if it ever gets wrangled to be fit to laws it will stop being free/fun/worth anything. And there are faggots who live off of donations like that, without a real job. Best part is you can get 90% of all porn for free anyway, even breeding season itself.
Do you remember when things like this were made for free, in someone's spare time after work? Just for fun, the experience? I remember.
>>344970317
Because porn and drama are two things /v/ love to talk about.
>>344970368
Because the project was co-owned by two guys and the contract was filled out as such.
>>344970361
I wonder how long until he bails from that too. Maybe when he realizes its not making as much money as BS with Patreon.
>>344969981
Do you know schwig? That your redesign was the only thing that pulled back the game for that amount of time?
Everyone was done with their part of the work until you decided to jew out more shekels off of horny furries.
Can we make sure S-Purple's life is ruined for this, k thx
It was perfect on paper
>tfw back to back to imagining my furry futa fantasies instead with CoC
>>344964590
>if you don't address how you feel to team mates problems start to arise
>b-but muh feels ;_;
yeah, nah
>>344970349
Schwig wasted time and money redoing the assets twice, which added more workload onto the animators and throwing the previous stuff away, when it was never necessary.
A PM would see this and stop him, as it's a colossal waste of resources and time.
Schwig was very against hiring a PM.
I remember having a quick go on Breeding Season a while back. The game was shit, the art was worse still, and the only thing I've heard since has been about various delays and fuckups. I was pretty stunned when I saw people gave them half a million for this shit, and not remotely surprised to see it collapse.
>>344970238
>>344970443
>everyone's calling me schwig
My original post is here >>344964516
Feel free to follow the original reply chain. Last thread was a lot better, since a lot of people managed to actually engage me and help me understand the situation.
>>344970361
fuck this, first thing i thought was how the proportions for so much is absolutely atrocious
>>344970368
and he took half the Treasury with him, oh and it will take another year to make new art assets at least
oh and S-purple ran off/kidnapped half the staff
kinda hard to keep going after that.
>>344970368
because all of the workers pulled out of Breeding Season dumbass.
spurple took ALL his assets
vanilly and fleet left two weeks notice.
its only hbomb
and if you played breeding season 4.4, it has less art than that, as this is a visual porn game, get it through your thick skull,if there is no fancy images that furfags can latch on to, it is DOA
>>344970494
Fuck CoC. The game throws fetishes at you so randomly. The design is so stupid for something with so many odd fetishes in there. There are a bunch of items that will randomly either a) give you a stat boost or b) graft on some fetish part to your body and it's random. RANDOM. Why would you do that?
>>344969981
>So unless the programming/writing/design team is SO INCOMPETENT that it took them multiple months/years to put together a point-and-click spreadsheet simulator, they've been sitting on their hands for months if not years now.
One of the members of the team was an animator who ended up being forced to do Shwig's job, was responsible for 1500+ animations (which were all reliant on Shwig's art), and who quit because she was so overworked. All of her hard work is now wasted, because she was animated Shwig's assets.
The other main person was, as you've conveniently ignored REPEATEDLY, pulling quadruple duty as the PROGRAMMER/WRITER/DESIGNER/MANAGER, which is AGAIN because Shwig didn't want to hire a competent manager, and they HAD to listen to him because he basically owned half of the money they'd raised thusfar.
And even if he hadn't been ANY of those things, he owned the game, and was therefore entitled to any amount of money, because it was HIS FUCKING MONEY. And he WAS doing a lot of work, trying to manage a team of people working on different continents at different times on a project making tens of thousands of dollars per month, coding, writing, and designing.
>your average lazy programmer
You're not a real programmer. You'd never call any programmer lazy if you were. Debugging alone is a time-consuming and difficult task, and he WAS putting out bugfixes consistently.
>>344970558
the rest of the team could already see that but they couldn't stop him because he was the co-owner of the project
>>344970494
Man, Im just waiting for Fenoxo to fall on the same shit and rant about it on his blog. But on that case i'd prolly be on the others' side, Fenoxo is a pretty delicate cuntboi. He'd prolly fuck over everyone just because he had his period those days.
>everyone is mad
>all parties are retarded
Fucking beautiful
>>344963061
So who gets the money?
>>344968961
agreed
I played the version years ago and it's basically the exact same thing
So are you fags going to post like a webm or something resembling an actual game? Did this get so much funding just with jpg images or what?
>>344969981
It's nice to see someone finally fucking sane in all this. The replies you get also highlight just how fucking braindead retarded so many people on /v/ really are. These people don't understand that you can make a game start to finish with NO finished assets. That to not have anything resembling a feature complete alpha build after THREE YEARS is nothing short of embarrassing, and there is no possible excuse. It doesn't even matter what Schwig did or didn't do at this point, because Hbomb shat the bed in numerous places throughout development. Only the greediest, laziest jew would ever want to coast along, working on something for year after year with no foreseeable release in sight. It's why many developers have left Valve, they want to actually release games, not just bullshit about development.
Hbomb made this bed, he made it a mess, and he can lie in it too. I am completely unwilling to believe that feature creep and throwing out art stalled feature completion for this long all because of Schwig, there's just no way it's all his fault, or even two thirds his fault.
>>344968456
Well right now the evidence is leaning towards Shwig being the greedy thieving jew and HBomb just being retardedly incompetent
He released the skype convos, he was right about the shwig starting a new patreon game, and he "offered" all of the assets for free. So far Shwig hasn't denied anything
The western H game scene is a fucking joke
>>344970796
Just find a demo, dude.
>>344970813
>>344969981
You both type the exact same way, nice try shill.
>>344970824
Earth's entire H-game scene is a joke.
Aww and they were going to add loli and /ss/ content too... this team and everyone on it is dead to me
>>344970634
>shitting on CoC
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
did you not even play it since 2011, what the fuck is your problem you little whiny cunt
>>344970683
jesus christ i just went to the forums for the sake of an argument on /d/ and shit is BEAUTIFUL
they literally shut down the CoC forum
fenoxo is threatening people on the forum not to mess with savin's content in CoC
the thread has 100% been taken over by fagsluts and ESLfags, the good posters like kaizer are GONE
>>344970649
It's obvious he's assblasted artfag
>>344963735
Never trust assholes from /tg/ more like it.
>>344970813
>These people don't understand that you can make a game start to finish with NO finished assets
games require alot of iteration unless you're making something very formulatic which you've made several times before so not really
>>344970997
Never trust patreon
>>344970914
wat?
>>344963061
>>344968961
I just like to remind everyone too that all these games were made by just 1 guy at one ponit:
Minecraft
Cave Story
Papers Please
Rollercoaster Tycoon
Dust: An Elysian Tale
Spelunky
Touhou
Gunpoint
Darwinia
Undertale
Tetris
AND THEY ALL FUCKING DID IT WITHOUT A KICKSTARTER. SO IF THESE FUCKING FAGGOTS CAN'T PRODUCE A PLAYABLE ALPHA EVEN IF THE ARTIST IS GOING AROUND SMASHING KEYBOARDS AT THE OFFICE THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY RETARDED. Every single one of those faggots is incompetent and just pocketed the money, but of course the most retarded ones are the ones who gave them money.
>>344971035
this should be patreon's tag line
>>344970813
>It doesn't even matter what Schwig did or didn't do at this point, because Hbomb shat the bed in numerous places throughout development. Only the greediest, laziest jew would ever want to coast along, working on something for year after year with no foreseeable release in sight
Yeah, great, only Shwig was the one who demanded minor artstyle changes which forced them to dump months' worth of work SEVERAL TIMES. It's entirely his fault that the game took so long to make.
Compounding that is his refusal to allow a project manager to be hired, so the main developer had to act like the manager, which is ridiculously time consuming.
Also, the game is fucking porn, reliant on one guy's art. Would YOU put out a feature-complete alpha? Because a porn game is not feature-complete without the FUCKING PORN.
someone needs to make an h-game dev variation of this.
s-purple/breeding season shitshow on the left
seismic on the right posting pictures of crabs and being moe on the right
>>344971046
Placeholders. Use them.
>>344971096
>Undertale
>without a Kickstarter
Bro...
>>344970993
He needs to defend Savin if he ever hopes to get some of that ugly tranny ass. Prolly the CoCmod is even more popular than his space game at this point, thats why he erased the forum.
>s-purple pushes out the artwork at a very good pace
>animations and additions are backlogged because animators can't keep up or they don't have enough
>literally still no sound/music people on the team
I only checked in once a month to see the new animations they DID add, and when this month's update came with NO animations I knew that was the end
>>344971096
Didn't undermeme use a kickstarter? And what about that girl who made temmie, isn't she like a co-creator?
>>344971096
Didn't Undertale get a kickstarter and it still came out looking like ass with 70k schmeckles?
>>344970824
Everything what is on Patreon is. But yeah you are right. It includes liek 95% of the western side.
>>344971096
look at this 8 bit bait
>>344971140
>I just won the grand prize at IGF tonight.
Is that supposed to mean anything to someone lmao?
>>344971159
placeholders can only take you so far
to be fair this is probably a simple game that a veteran programmer could do completely with placeholders but I don't think this guy has reached that level of experience
>>344971035
What is Congress and politics? :^)
>>344971129
See >>344969374
>Would YOU put out a feature-complete alpha?
Yes? If I'm being paid $9000 a month to put out a product, I have no reason not to inform my Patrons on the status of the game and what features have been planned and completed.
Fuck, if anything, putting out a finished game missing all the art assets would only help when you have a problem artist. You can objectively prove that they're singlehandedly holding back the game.
>>344971096
Yeah, but most of those are pretty simple and were made over the course of years, Cave Story in particular was made over the course of 5 years. For every indie project that is made without money there are thousands of others that are in development hell or never get released. What you posted is generally the exception to game development, not the rule
Also Undertale did rely on a kickstarter
>>344963061
Hard to be surprised.
Updates had a habit of taking steps back or expanding shit instead of finishing the core game.
I mean fuck, they were trying to introduce a helper system, coming up with story characters and their custom sprites and animations and shitting out new races like plants and pigmen, meanwhile the first fucking two races were still not finished and had basic animations (with each-other respectively or with the fucking human player) not finished.
They were very, very obviously taking their sweet time since that's how patreon works and throwing crumbs of content through "updates" ( "we added two cutscenes and removed three animations, please like and subscribe ;)" ) when the crowd grew too agitated.
If anything this really illustrate how patreon is even worse than Kickstarter to fund a project.
I can't believe it's still going.
Have we got any response from anybody worth while yet
>>344971197
no, the CoC mod forum is still up but you can't post new threads in the CoC subforum
they didn't even announce it, some guy posted in general and asked why he couldnt put threads in CoC and said he didn't see an announcement, savin replied with "consider this your announcement" and stickied the topic
Well i hope you amateur video game designers learned a valuable lesson today.
Always protect your own ass before anyone else. No partnership, you are your own boss.
Do not let some other fuck handle money
Do not let another fuck control the team unless its their job
Do not let another fuck keep adding more shit to the goals unless stated.
Do not list your employees as consultants.
Do not pay them hourly rate/salary only performance based.
Do not give away assets to employees, they are yours
>>344971345
people with degenerate fetishes are this desperate
>>344971298
It's kind of hard to do any real programming when you're spending all your time trying to manage that problem artist because he won't let you hire a project manager.
>>344971248
...do you not know what a placeholder is? I feel like you have a poor understanding of what programming entitles, doubly so when it comes to this sort of game.
Name something in Breeding Season that a beginner couldn't program with placeholders.
>>344971345
You mean sprite art?
>>344971345
Dickwolf on Dickwolf action probably
>>344971307
I'm sorry does this game have a grandiose fucking scope or something? It's A PORN GAME. It's been 3 years and they didn't produce shit, also keep in mind that your game should already be in development when the kickstarter begins. You could hire a group of 10 random game devs and they could ship something better in a year (alpha still but something).
>>344971096
how's your game project going, anon?
>>344971453
Do you mean placeholder scenes?
>>344971343
Wow, did the guy get banned for that? It wouldn't surprise me coming from those 2 tho.
>>344966729
Yeah, you don't steal funds and leave the other people holding the ship.
The whole thing was a clusterfuck. They were a bunch of no talent flash artists and they never amounted to anything more.
>>344970445
>Can we make sure S-Purple's life is ruined for this
Why? What could you possibly do? He's already drawing beast porn.
>>344971345
Furries, people often wonder why drawfags descend into drawing furry or wierd shit. They are willing to pay like noone else.
>>344971485
I said they were made just by 1 guy at some point not completely.
>>344969981
You made a promise to a lot of people you cunt, think about more than yourself.
>>344971479
Oh, I didn't read your entire post. Yeah they were incompetent with the money they had. It wasn't kickstarter though, it was patreon.
>>344971428
>It's kind of hard to do any real programming when you're spending all your time trying to manage that problem artist because he won't let you hire a project manager.
What does managing a problem artist entitle? 24/7 intensive care and surveillance? Are you flying out to Israel each night to wipe the dude's ass?
And did you forget that this game has been in development for three years?
>>344971485
>99% in asm
Shit, that guy deserved that $30 mil
>>344971387
You have to be absolutely retarded if you think the game sucks because of one guy.
I just want more good porn in this world mang.
>>344964124
How do I open a link like that? The mega downloader?
Can't you just post the normal browser link?
>>344971453
I don't actually know anything about this game apart from it being a shitty furry fetish rpg so I couldn't answer
>the most vanilla of fetishes
>all sub females
Good riddance. I would rather a super lewd game about trying to fug a thicc, barn sized giantess cow than whatever this shit tried to be
>>344971586
>And did you forget that this game has been in development for three years?
Because the artist keeps artificially adding more work. Otherwise, it'd be done already.
Should have dropped flash, used Unity/Game Maker/Construct 2.
For what they were trying to achieve, any of the above engines would have done it and wouldn't have had all the bullshit involved.
Now if they claim they needed Flash for the bone animation, there is a myriad of software out there now that does that, and you can export the animations as bone files or bitmaps.
Spriter or Spine.
Programming should have been piss, and done within a matter of weeks, all using placeholder art.
2-3 days per animation, seems fair depending on the artist. Changing of limbs/parts is all done via the programming, so little for artist to do there.
Even an animation a week would have been alright - compared to their >1 animation a month.
Total bullshit, and as an indiedev, annoys the fuck out of me. I held back on making a project like this on Patreon because they had done it first.. now they have crashed and burned, it will only stigmatize anyone who follows.
Damn what I could have done with a fraction of their monthly income.
>>344971515
not to my knowledge
though when i was perma'd for calling savin out on a bitch (one post prematurely, i might add, i was hoping to call him a cunt for my final post) it didnt show, so i wouldn't know
>fenoxo and savin start shitposting furry porn of lowest quality
>try to pander to furries, real posters like kaizer leave the forum
>all that's left is fagsluts and ESL faggots, and SANS. boy, i sure do love sans
>fenoxo realizes he fucking hates faggots but that's all he has now
>>344971641
We're going in a circle here anon. I don't think you actually read >>344969374
>>344971601
he coded the second game the same way, so two games in Assembly
>>344971096
doesnt mean shit
not everyone is genius level/not lazy
undertale was kickstarted btw
>>344971701
I have.
The artist is giving himself more work to do, how is that the programmers fault?
>>344971641
Can you stop being this delusional please? If you actually downloaded the game you would realize that NO ONE did any work worthy of even a year.
Read this:
>>344971096
One talented guy with no artists could have finished something resembling a game in those 3 years. Hell, even the artist could have done it himself.
There is no way 3 years go by and you just say:
>OH THE JEW RUINED EVERYTHING THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T BRING UP MY HOMEWORK TODAY
>>344963061
Is anyone really surprised, with the constant redesigns and do-overs?
>>344971683
>Unity/Game Maker/Construct 2.
No, stupid.
Using any of those engines would not have made ANYTHING easier or faster.
>>344971543
I could call him mean names
>>344971814
>If you actually downloaded the game you would realize that NO ONE did any work worthy of even a year.
I did.
There's work in it, it's just Schwig redid everything twice, meaning most the art had three different iterations since the patreon started. That's utterly pointless.
>>344971586
>What does managing a problem artist entitle? 24/7 intensive care and surveillance?
He's up at different times than you and you have to coordinate with a few other people who are also up at different times than you.
Yes, it takes a lot of effort. Management is not easy. He owns the game, too, so I wouldn't be surprised if he had a bunch of paperwork and suchlike to do. Managers at my old workplace literally had the hardest jobs of all of us. They were in at 8 and left at 8, and they were going through STACKS of paperwork the entire time.
>>344971793
Because >>344971428 said
>It's kind of hard to do any real programming when you're spending all your time trying to manage that problem artist because he won't let you hire a project manager.
Even though what should have been a 1~3 month project got extended to three full years and still wasn't finished.
>allowing your graphic artist to claim ownership of the graphics he creates for the game you're paying him to work on
They deserve to get fucked over
The appeal of H-games is lost on me. Why not dedicate 100% of development time and budget into the art? Do what Zone and Boogie do. Loops! Perfectly paced and high quality. No filler.
>>344971946
>Even though what should have been a 1~3 month project got extended to three full years and still wasn't finished.
Because the ARTIST kept inflating the project.
This is circular logic you're trying to pull here.
>>344971839
How so?
Unity and gamemaker would have been perfectly fine fool.
Yes bit of a stretch on Construct 2 - but it is designed for webgames and has direct plugin access with bone software Spriter.
And if the programmer is such a useless fuck, using Gamemaker/Construct 2 would have made it all the fucking easier.
>>344970885
Yeah, we actually make posts worth reading, you should try it some time, you meme-loving fuck.
>>344971046
He HAS made it several times before, the game went through multiple revisions but it never actually gained more than a couple barely implemented features, very few of which were actual gameplay. I've been following dev ever since it started on the LoK forums, I know exactly what it used to be, what it became, and where we are now.
>>344971129
Read my post you mindless cunt. You can make the game no matter what fucking state the assets are in, and you don't need a fucking project manager to tell you this. And yeah, I would focus on features over half-assing asset implementation because I'm not a moron. But I also wouldn't make my fucking development dependent upon a subscription, because it incentivizes you to do DUMB THINGS like focus on ASSET IMPLEMENTATION.
>>344972008
It started with art, then short animated loops, then a desire for some better games than Meet n Fuck popped up and people gave it a try.
>>344972015
Again, I'm gonna point you right back >>344971428
>It's kind of hard to do any real programming when you're spending all your time trying to manage that problem artist because he won't let you hire a project manage
How does the artist taking more time on his art make it hard to program?
>>344972008
Because it's interactive experience instead of watching a movie.
where is broquest? where is your game, /v/?
none of you can criticize these guys
>>344963514
by what logic would a weeb be paying for western made porn
>>344972096
In development.
>>344972096
You do not need to make something yourself to be able to judge if something made by someone else is good or bad.
>>344968037
>Blaming furries
It was /v/ faggots, anon. Never forget that.
It was always /v/
>>344972082
It doesn't. The programmer did his job, the artist is flat out redoing his work multiple times when it was not necessary.
Should the programmer just reprogram it all over again for funsies?
Who and how many people were working on this game?
>>344971940
this is not a real work place
this is a couple of idiots making a game on the internet
there is no paperwork to do
a project manager is not going to do anything to a bigheaded artist who owns the project except make some suggestions while he says "I don't care, fuck off"
>>344971940
What?
Am I missing out on something?
Since when does making a flash game require so many stacks of paperwork that you literally cannot program competently over three years? Since when does it require any paperwork at all outside of your single tax sheet for making a Patreon?
Coordinating with an artist doesn't take constant 24/7 communication. You actually don't need to communicate at all, since dropbox notifies you when something gets added to the "completed assets" folder. I somehow doubt any artist for any project needs constant full-attention supervision over the course of three years.
This whole post is a mess.
>>344972096
/v/irgin quest came out
>>344972031
making a couple of barely implemented features doesn't count as making a game and doesn't make someone an experienced programmer
amateurs need to constantly iterate over things to get them right
but they should do this on their own time, not while running a patreon making promises they can't keep
>>344972064
>>344972095
But the gameplay is always a crapshoot. Most times it is super casual grindy empty content. There's no noteworthy interation going on. Having to jack of for thirty seconds between minutes of idle spanking and clicking isn't fun.
Cut. The. Fat.
>>344972096
Hey man these square wheels sure make the car drive like shit.
>Durr have YOU ever made a car
>>344972317
Says you, speed fapper.
>190k+ over the course of the project
>assuming this was split in half
>400k+ for the whole thing
>it was nowhere near being finished
>WELP GUYS GUESS ITS OVER ALL THIS MONEY WE GOT SO FAR IS NOW USELESS SO LETS SCRAP EVERYTHING (read: nothing)
Damn this is so fucking funny.
>>344971946
Let's assume for a moment that, as you say, the programmer is incompetent. He is clearly in over his head, and the project takes a long time.
Is it his fault when the art director tells him he can't hire a project manager, so his speed is even slower, and when said art director constantly forces him to make changes to the game, to increase its scope? Is it the programmer's fault that the 1-year game goes to a 3-year game with no noticeable increase in quality?
No. It's the artist's fault, for slowing the programmer down even more and for forcing the programmer to do more work. Maybe the game would have been finished by the end of year 1, but Shwig forced him to increase the scope of the project, and now the timeline is a finished game by the end of year 4.
The owner of a game should have complete creative control over that game. It's not his fault that the artist abused his power to force the dev to make a game he wasn't qualified or wanting to make.
This is all hypothetical, but if your idea that the programmer is "lazy" or "incompetent" is true, my argument holds.
And it STILL doesn't excuse Shwig redoing the art assets multiple times and forcing them to restart from scratch when they DIDN'T WANT TO.
And then STEALING manpower from the organization he was working for in order to start up a competing game, without informing said manpower.
like honestly, people complaining about one greedy guy are just clueless, they are fucking it up ever since they started, it is the only game they kept removing stuff instead of adding it, just to lenghten the process and milk patreon money.
Honestly calling S-Purple greedy is a lie, because the amount of money they were getting without doing literally nothing was absurd, they were raising 20k for like 2 animations / month, that was a joke.
THere are porn games that are putting way more content and can't reach even 1/20 what BS was making, just because BS pandered to a special userbase, it is a joke and patreon is a joke
>>344972305
Was it any good?
>>344972196
the programmers tasks weren't even completed.
Numerous areas in the game inaccessible.
Bugs
Characters, game events, unfinished.
Items system and breeding system still needed work.
Game had barely changed on the mechanics/programming front in the last year, what the fuck was programmer doing?
>>344972284
>I somehow doubt any artist for any project needs constant full-attention supervision over the course of three years.
They shouldn't, but surprise, they'll fuck around on stuff they shouldn't fuck around on. That's the purpose of a director/manager.
>>344968197
That is a point. S wasn't irreplaceable. Sure it might have looked alittle different but it was just a bunch of .gifs
The others proved themselves by using it as a chance to bail. What do they care? Everyone got paid anyway.
>>344972196
That literally happened and the first time Hbomb notably fucked up.
>>344972469
The main selling point of this game was his art. If he left at least half of the funds would probably drop too.
>>344972431
>the programmers tasks weren't even completed.
They pretty much are, all that remains is the art department so they can include the visuals for the game.
>>344972438
This. Honestly with 3 years and a decent salary I would have finished that game by myself with some bought assets or just hiring an artist at some point. But I would never waste 3 years of my life developing a fucking furry game with donated money.
>>344972428
If you think "/v/ culture" can carry a game, yes
>>344972504
Might as well be siding with Schwiggy-Diggy at this point
>>344972504
His resignation needs some fucking editing lmao ever heard of paragraphs?
>>344963061
TO THE KICKSTARTER BREEDING CAMP
>>344972569
Uhhh well not 2014 /v/ culture, that's for sure.
>>344972438
the artist was the co-owner of the project. where does the director fit in here? you hire an employee to tell the boss what to do?
>>344972573
Why?
>>344972284
>I somehow doubt any artist for any project needs constant full-attention supervision over the course of three years.
You somehow doubt that this problem artist, who is capricious and literally has half of your game in the palm of his hands, who forces you to consult with him on things as simple as hiring a manager - which should be YOUR decision, not his - needs very much supervision.
Fucking NORMAL artists need supervision, man. That's half the fucking reason why managers exist, to manage self-entitled creative nutjobs with a "vision". You know what happens when you don't manage them every step of the way? Fucking Tim Schafer happens.
And Schafer wasn't even THAT BAD as far as artists go.
>>344972632
Yeah, because sometimes people can't manage themselves effectively.
>>344972569
But what about the porn?
>>344972643
The "I don't feel comfortable giving any opinion" when Vanilly was clearly one of the biggest ones affected by Schwig outside of H-bomb himself.
Hell the reason she quit was mainly because of poor project management, something that H-bomb tried to remedy very early on
>>344967234
>so sue me
damn
I kinda hope he does sue him
just so I can make a funny meme picture about it later
s
>>344969360
Hentai Writer is cool tho, he atleast started and finished some projects and he is a regular on /aco/
who cares? only sad neckbeards fork out money to fap over some hentai game
>>344972008
Gameplay gives context and buildup to the porn, creating a much more immersive and intense experience.
Also, "h-game" isn't a genre, but a subgenre. You can really append it to any other kind of game. HRPG. H-Fighter. H-Racing.
Games can have more incentive when the reward is something usable like porn instead of a "You Win!" screen.
Most importantly, because of the wide breadth the subgenre allows, there are plenty of different styles to fit your tastes. Some h-games like Kamidori keep the porn away from the player until they're 12+ hours into the story. Other games, such as Zone's earlier flashes with the buttons (which counts as an h-game, showing how diverse the definition can be), rewards you instantly and offers the player control.
>>344972415
A non-retarded manager would hire an artist under a reasonable contract and fuck them off immediately when they proved an impediment.
Personally I think these are all just excuses and smokescreen. The project is crashing and burning and someone has to take the fall.
>>344972687
That requres the artist to actually think he's doing something wrong and being unable to remedy it himself
Which is not the case at all seeing the dude was doing exactly what he wanted without giving a shit about anyone else
>>344972504
Well, that certainly damns H-Bomb more, and proves he was absolutely not cut out for project management.|
Funny thing to me is that with this, we're looking at BroQuest 2, essentially. They only held on as long as they did because this time they were getting money. It was all ideas and probably a programmer who needed a hell of a lot more than himself working on it to implement what he wanted in a timely fashion.
>>344972728
A gender bender scene with special guest Rance
incesnt MS paint redraw (the one with the mom in front of the TV)
Those are the only ones I found
Okay, are there any promising looking H-games coming out?
And don't link me to any Patreons because we know why they're flawed.
Reminder that if you have to shut your game down after a single artist leaves, then you didn't have a game at all and you were simply leeching off that artist's success.
>shwig wants to do the same thing but with rpg mechanics
This doesn't totally reeks of bullshit, the "base game" took them 3 years of dicking around, doing it again on top of another genre that will use up more assets and time isn't shady at all
WELP GUYS GUESS ITS OVER ALL THIS MONEY WE GOT SO FAR IS NOW USELESS SO LETS SCRAP EVERYTHING (nothing).
>>344972968
Dungeons and Prisoners:^^^^^^^^)
>>344972970
>Success
Redoing all the art twice sounds like the antithesis of being a successful game artist if you ask me
>>344972968
agdg has a few
>>344963061
>Been a sub for almost a year now
>Felt like the animations were taking too long
>Like 15 animations out of the promised 100's that are supposed to be in the game, and like 4 or 5 of them are NPC event scenes.
So this is why, this cunt gutted basically the only H game I look forward to. Fucking great.
>>344972786
So why would you side with Schwig in this? He still seems like the greedy lazy lying asshat as before.
>>344972968
Probably plenty, but only if you're willing to dive into DLSite and untranslated works.
If anything it's fucking baffling the difference in quality (both gameplay and content) in Western and Eastern art has been. Thus far the only game that hasn't been a short one off that I've been remotely impressed with are the guys who did Noxian Nights, at least in terms of content. If they could've delivered, you could've knocked the game or not but there'd be a lot of variety in BS.
>>344967440
All tumblr artists are the same.
>>344972968
Yiffalicious
>>344972968
Rogue-Like, Something Unlimited
>>344972573
Not really.
The complains are mostly about having to do Schwig's work and suffering for mismanagement which can be taken as a jab at H-bomb but also in line with H-bomb's claim that Schwig fucked them over by refusing to hire a manager- which I think is likely since Schwig's bonus is basically half of what's left after costs are deduced, and another salary/contract would reduce that sum
Frankly it sounds like he's fed up with both of them and the project as a whole.
>bunch of furries crying about their porn "game" on /v/ like they belong here
get the fuck out
>>344973075
I played the demos of Something Unlimited. Static CGs and awful repetitive "gameplay". It doesn't look good.
>>344967608
>Be nice to a jew
>jew fucks you over
Jews, not even once. Give them an inch andthey'll take all of your shekels you stupid goy.
>>344968675
No. He didn't take it seriously and this is what happened. He still has a ton of money he doesn't deserve, but it's clear he wanted to throw away the responsibility to Schwig with the contract.
Correct.
Correct. When something gets that much money it should give big results.
>>344972968
freecities just because actual progress is happening
>but it's only a text game!
Tough shit, the game is decent
>>344972798
Will it be this?
>>344972991
What's so difficult about making a breeding game, fuck.
Have 10 males and 10 females, make them breed with each other and add some interbreeding shit to have like 100 different species or something.
Make it so certain species can only eat certain things and live in certain places. Sell the livestock and products to make profit and expand the farm/get better gear and slap some lazy RPG/Dungeon crawler shit to get rare item and monsters to keep on breeding.
Fuck, Fucking slime rancher is the perfect breeder game.
>>344973102
It's not a furry porn game, it's a porn game with some furry options.
>pokehidden managed to do an entire point and click game with minigames and fully animated sex scenes alone
>animated on a fucking nintendo DS
>0 money ever taken
>this shit
amazing
>>344973148
Do you know what the H in H-game stands for?
Congratulations on committing career sudoku, Shwig.
>>344973067
>Probably plenty, but only if you're willing to dive into DLSite and untranslated works.
I highly recommend this. DLSite is a gold mine, and machine translation is enough for you to 100% any Japanese game and roughly comprehend the story.
I'm still not even halfway through my backlog.
>>344973163
what
>>344963061
>People still fall for this meme
>>344973159
You had no idea what BS was even about, do you?
>>344973159
>What's so difficult about making a breeding game, fuck.
You're expecting someone to do 100 combinations of X/Y fucking X/Y with alternate animations
>>344973192
Hentai, which roughly translates to "perverted" or "pervert".
Why do you ask? Do you actually think it specifically means visual drawings? You're not that ignorant, right?
>>344973236
https://e621.net/post/show/712362/2015-69_position-3-aliasing-all_fours-aloe_-mlp-an
>>344972798
>Both of them have no jobs
>they live in different countries
>lawyers
>court fees
these 2 fuckers are dreaming that $190K is their life savings and only a retard would throw that away.
>>344972786
H-bomb enabled this situation.
And through wishful thinking, put up with all that shit and didn't dare to call Schwig on this bullshit.
Sure, H-bomb now has to deal with a dead project and an angry mob, but back then?
It would all fall on people like Vanilly to do all the work with no direction.
It's H-bomb's failure - as he admitted it himself - and his employees have ground to resent him and Schwig both.
Does this mean Shwig will stop drawing furshit now? Or will he make his own project after seeing the power of furgold?
>>344973236
A furry made a porn game with cartoon horses while using a DS to draw the scenes/assets
>>344973254
I played the demo years ago. I got a catgirl and a wolfdick I think it was called. It was super boring and not fun.
>>344973271
Designing 100 monsters and doing some lazy sex animations shouldn't be too hard. If Tobihime had like 30 different monster girls I'm sure a game like breeding season can manage as well.
>give someone a contract that gives the artist a right to their work
>not automatically having the art owned by the company
literal retard. should've known that artist was gonna be poached by another team, and take all his art assets with him.
>>344973278
You're not Japanese, honey. Here in the West Hentai stands for draw porn, usually of Japanese origin. Words change over time and especially when they jump languages.
>>344970813
>>344969981
>>344972031
whew that samefaging shwig, jesus man you should know better.
>>344973394
He tricked half the workforce into doing work for another project he was doing, which is remarkably the same exact thing but even bigger than before.
>>344963061
I don't get it, what happened?
The game was overly wordy and not very good, but Vanilly's art was spectacular.
>>344968961
So, what you're saying is that the game was done a long time ago but Schwig held the project up for years rehashing assests over and over.
Gotcha.
>>344963061
So my interpretation on this whole thing is that it's part Shwig's fault for redoing the base art designs several times, setting the project back possibly by a year, and other parts everyone else's fault for literally not building a game that was at this point solely dependent on the completion of art assets and should at least be fully completed from a feature standpoint.
>>344973463
He might not be japanese but he is on a website mostly dedicated to japanese culture and their media so I figure it would make sense for people to know what the fuck theyre talking about
>>344973412
That requires about 10,000 unique animations, unless you're gonna full generic LoK-tier stuff.
BS was doing unique animations for each pair of monsters, which was why it ballooned to such a degree.
The original idea was better.
t. guy who kept an eye on this since the LoK inception
>>344973495
Everyone got fucked because of cascading laziness
>>344973495
Yea they used vanilly wrong
they should have plowed her and gave her hot yummy cummies like the good little tum tumblr slut she is
i hope you read this vanilly, i can smell your pussy from here
>>344973495
Vanilly had the most laborous and tedious job
>>344963061
>Because the wording of his contract let him do it
On one hand, that guy who stabbed a team in the back is horrible.
On the other hand, why the fuck the team made a shitty contracted in the first place.
>>344969981
>It absolutely doesn't take three fucking years
How would you know?
Let's see all the games you've programmed through long-distance collaboration, so we can gauge whether you know what you're talking about.
>>344973603
Was the only thing that didn't use the LoK base too.
>>344973603
The original art wasn't, it was nearly unfappable.
>>344973446
He wasn't taken by another team. He made his own game and used the assets from the previous project. I'm guessing Shwig said he wouldn't work on Breeding Season unless he got the rights to the assets and half the money.
>>344972889
Ironically, S-Purple was involved in Broquest as well. The guys is either impossible to work with, or a magnet for terrible projects.
That said, trying to make Broquest into a game was a mistake to begin with.
>>344971624
replace mega:/// with mega.co.nz/
like this
>mega:///#!IAQHDQDY!nZlPPeLbBmfKIgLcQYe3iIpH87-qzGa9f6EUKKq5ljc
>mega.co.nz/#!IAQHDQDY!nZlPPeLbBmfKIgLcQYe3iIpH87-qzGa9f6EUKKq5ljc
>>344967234
He's a fucking faggot but the other guy is also an idiot for allowing him to keep the rights to all the assets in his contract. This whole thing was doomed from the start.
>3 years
>half a million dollars
>barely any progress
>artist leaves and takes all his assets with him
>anyone who ever threw any money at this is now fucked because patron is not for paying for a finished product but "supporting" the people making products
>>344963907
>>344964124
Sounds like that artist, vladimir or whoever, won't ever be getting a job again.
>>344973628
Try jobs, as she had to become defacto PR and manager as well.
>>344973534
Meaning every other team member was getting paid $9k a month for 3+ years for doing nothing. Literally free money several times the minimum wage for sitting on their hands. All while schwig worked, since it's not like he wasn't putting out regular content and even streaming.
Oh! And don't forget that despite the programmers having nothing to do for this whole entire time, they still didn't manage to actually fix the bugs, optimize the item and breeding system, actually program in the inaccessible areas with placeholders, or meet some of the promised Patreon tasks. Three years!
>>344972096
Devfag here. Broquest is a shit idea and Breeding Season was doomed to failure. Fuck off
>>344973589
Yeah full generic is okay, maybe 5 animations for normal sex, 5 animations for big guy and small girl and 5 animations for big girl and small guy.
>>344973726
Then there's no point in 100 monsters.
>>344973603
Original idea was straight up bestiality with some monstergirl elements.
Suddenly all monsters turned into a furries and the entire thing went to shit.
>>344973668
>implying he needed a job again.
>Links drop box for developer game files
>Legit tells people the pass word for it is of his favorite fighting game
>Inciting people to commit crimes
Like the S guy is a huge faggot that has caused such delays with the games releases, but the H guy actually stooping to his level but publicly is just... Fuck he's in some deep shit now if those files leak. The guy probably has his favorite fighting game mentioned somewhere online.
>>344973725
>Breeding Season was doomed to failure
It wasn't doomed to failure, they had a pretty good amount of work done.
BroQuest, though, man what a terrible idea. Typical ideaguy hyper-ambition to a T.
>>344973726
Then you lost the point of breeding season
>>344973609
That's what sometimes happens when your income doesn't hinge on finishing products.
>>344973612
wut
>>344973628
a'ight.
I'm not sure I got much wiser. And I think I'll stop caring.
>>344973817
Fuck off S.
>>344973764
>>344973830
Whatever man, the game was hella boring anyway.
>>344973817
>Fuck he's in some deep shit now
nothings going to come of it unless one of them tries to sue the other which costs more than you'll ever get out of it
>>344973660
Broquest died because it had like 2 committed programmers and 90000 idea guys.
>pay artist
>make a contract that he still owns the art
what retard does that?
If someone has a death note, this is the moment to act.
S-purple sounds absolutely sociopathic. It's kind of scary how calm and logical he is in all this.
>>344973828
>BroQuest, though, man what a terrible idea. Typical ideaguy hyper-ambition to a T.
It doesn't surprise me that the idea came from /tg/, the board of unwarranted self-importance and lazy fucks galore.
>>344973885
Tough luck, man.
>>344973828
broquest was like /v/ culture the game
no idea how autistic you'd have to be to get hyped about something like that
>>344973764
And that is exactly why you have to cut back on things and do resource management, the more elaborate you want to make something like this the more you'll have to cut elsewhere unlesd you are just doing a copy paste job. Quality vs quantity
So I'm downloading the assets right now, but what's the password to it? I don't fucking know what Hbomb's fucking favorite fighting game is; is it street fighter or some shit?
>>344973705
>All while schwig worked
yeah redrawing things over and over again is putting out regular content right?
>>344973969
Exactly what Schwig didn't do, and will continue to not do in his next project.
>>344967663
I think it's more like both: It was H's fault the project completely fell apart and was going nowhere, and the blame should be also on Purple for exploiting the awful state it was in to do this jewish fuckery.
Both of them have shown to be either completely incompetent, untrustworthy, or both by this clusterfuck.
>>344973917
>unironically about using the death note
Are you sure you're 18+
>sell the artwork to me
>"no"
>then sue me
what i wouldn't give to be able to see a court process over the ownership of furry drawings
>>344973980
It doesn't have a password you nig nog the files were extracted from a pw protected Dropbox folder, so the ones on Mega are just purely the files, no restrictions.
>>344972837
>A non-retarded manager would hire an artist under a reasonable contract
Yeah, but this stopped being an option the moment the guy allowed the retarded contract.
A retarded contract he only made because he thought he was making a small project, not some 3+ year monstrosity he wasn't ready to make.
>>344973984
According to other members on the team the art department had no direction and so they had nothing to do but sit there and redoing the same stuff.
>>344973056
Out of curiosity, I mapped out what scenes are animated. It's laughable that people are singling out the programmers when you see just how much the game is lacking after three years of making art assets.
I mean, the core of the game is making monsters fugg, and the exotic touch, the "wow factor," is combining special traits (like feral and genderswap) for unique monsters. Despite this, there's practically nothing to show for it. Most of the regular cat scenes are done, and that's about it. The male pc's animations are barebones - to the point where he gets none of the exotic scenes.
Pic related - black means no animation, dark green means there's an animation and there's a good chance the colors will match what you chose, and light green means poor chance the colors will match. White means I didn't test it, but the pattern is pretty apparent.
If you are playing a male pc and don't care for the catgirls, prepare to see next to nothing.
>implying that both of them didn't plan this from the start
>crowdfunding
They milked enough jewgold from that paetron teat without having to deliver anything
>>344972504
Interesting side by Vanilly, can't wait to see Shwig address this.
>>344973817
They're in different countries, m8. Neither can do crap. At least H-bomb said he would pay for the art assets in that Skype log.
>>344973705
>Meaning every other team member was getting paid $9k a month for 3+ years for doing nothing
whew man, don't lie too hard there. shwig diddnt even do any cleanup or most animating.
>>344968456
Fucking this, they are both cunts.
>>344973070
>large, red noses
>"fat" proportions (short and bulky)
>sleepy look and eye bags
>mouth always slightly open, teeth gap
>flashy and fucked-up color scheme
>random, by-default-more-talented artist on deviantart gets commissions done for 25$ in two days
>tumblr artist wants 40-50$, needs a month to do it, blogs about bullshit all the fucking time
>if confronted for doing so they get scared and delete their accounts out of shame before popping up again shortly later
A classic.
>>344973705
>they still didn't manage to actually fix the bugs
There were regular bugfixes. Usually a new patch or release every 2-3 weeks.
>>344965705
>jew
>not circumcised
You're not a jew.
>>344974091
so s-purple was to blame, right?
Here's Vanilly's resignation statement posted to her Tumblr half an hour ago.
It unfortunately echoes a work environment I myself was part of for over a year.
Enjoy:
There has been little to no direction in regards to running the art department. I’ve been responsible for scheduling work assignments, and maintaining a steady workflow despite not being the head of the art department. I’ve had to chase after coworkers to finish their jobs, often met with apathy and untimeliness. In addition, I was pushed into the responsibility of PR, a position I was not hired for, and ultimately led to me having to constantly lie and cover up the absence of work and content. This has made for an incredibly unprofessional environment, but unfortunately there are even more reasons it has been unprofessional. Lack of consistent work hours, people not showing up for meetings, lack of direction from programmers for what assets are needed, and a disregard for reaching milestones in development. Especially in the case of our lead developer who consistently promised milestones and would fail to deliver. That same lack of initiative has also led to financial issues, because of your reluctance to make me an employee rather than a contractor I was forced to file a 10-99 MISC despite the fact that I do not meet most of the requirements of a contracted worker, and in fact am more of an employee, without the benefits. ( https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15a.pdf ) Finally, because of all these issues to ensure content was produced on time I was constantly forced to work extremely long hours each week. On top of that, the number of hours I had to work was extended further by having to fix, redraw, recolor, and cut up animations. I simply had far too much work that I needed to accomplish each week. Ultimately I do not feel that these issues are correctable nor do I feel that my opinion has been given credence on the subject numerous times, and as such my resignation is final and irrevocable.
>>344968045
of course you'd be in the furry porn thread porky
FUELING THE FIRE
http://www.strawpoll.me/10744072
>>344974097
It's not an either/or, both of them are to blame for colossally fucking it up on every level. There is no need to take sides, just laugh at their incompetence from the outside.
Vanilly? H - Bomb? S Purple? I don't recognise any of these fucking names.
>Wouldn't it be funny, though, if just somehow some particularly dedicated fan were to guess the password to my Dropbox account (I'm the worst with coming up with secure passwords, I always put something obvious like the name of my favorite fighting game series or something) and were to get ahold of the folder containing every file involved in the game's creation? Then wouldn't it be funny if they went around posting this to various places, like say 8han and the LoK forums, etc?
Is eight more popular than 4chan now or something?
>$42 of $9,000
What in the flying fuck, it fucking doubled
>>344973568
An American website none-the-less.
Can you really blame S? He felt the project was dead and instead of leaving right away he was obviously looking to fall back on something new. It's what actual well adjusted adults do, they work at their job and when they decide that they want a new job with better prospects, they send out CVs and fill out job applications and such until they get replies back, if they get the job then they can file a note for leaving the company they're with, that way they're still on a pay check and can support their financial needs.
What Hbomb is doing is pretty pathetic, he basically gave this guy free roam to do whatever and the guy did just that, he took what he owns, the assets, and moved on to better proespects, meanwhile piss babys and manchildren on /v/ will defend Hbomb for being a naive cukc that wasn't meant to be the lead of a game development. The strong outgrow the weak and move on, Hbomb can just cry cuck tears while S moves onto greener pastures.
>>344974236
read >>344972504
If this is true it's more likely H-bomb is to blame but, both parties could very well both be at fault.
>>344974320
Then learn them.
>>344974236
Both.
Project leader and art manager are both incompetent, apparently.
>>344974156
Thinking Hbomb and Shwig split the profits 5 ways
can't remember where, maybe a stream but it got mentioned that Shwig and Hbomb took the lion's share of the profits.
>>344974291
I think you meant sympathy, not empathy, unless you are specifically questioning autists.
Also there should be a both and a neither option.
>giving westerns money to make a porn game
>giving JEW westerns shekels to make a porn game
>not buying ALREADY COMPLETED porn games forged in superior nippon furnaces
I don't know what you faggots expected.
>>344974331
>Is eight more popular than 4chan now or something?
If you want serious discussion and genuine support for your h-game? Abso-fucking-lutely, doubly so since furry and porn in general is banned on the boards that matter here.
>>344974113
99% of the time when /v/ accuses a developer of being a con they're usually just incompetent
>>344974023
8ch had a dedicated thread for breeding season simce the beginning.
You would have gotten all the pinups before now.
>>344974331
I think the idea is 8 is where all the real "legit OG channers" have gone. Which is probably somewhat true given how much the boards have changed over the years.
>>344974320
But you knew and cared about Breeding Season? That's new.
wasn't breeding season a made by someone else first before being handed over to the group who were paid through the patreon?
i remember playing it back when it had really shitty western art but the gameplay was exactly the same, proving that basically nothing was made with this new version aside from the art. seriously, it was EXACTLY the same game aside from the artstyle. there was only like 1 monster type less, too.
was the guy who made that version still involved in the game to the end?
>>344974434
japanese porn games that arent basic little visual novels are just as big a scam as this shit
try to tell me that companies like illusion dont drip feed out a tiny stream of consistently mediocre content
>>344974331
it's more communal because it's smaller and born from idelogical zeal
instead of here which is just a place to shitpost
BS in a nutshell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkox8x1LxQ4
>>344974470
I already have them and I wasn't talking about pinups.
So any other lewd games worth playing on Patreon? I tried Trap Quest, which is actually kind of hilarious because I never thought I could develop a fetish for being turned into a bimbo.
>>344963061
Should this be somewhat of illegal.
To be fair I don't really know shit about the law or the rules of the patreon but I know that he can't just get away with this after all that money he revived can he?
>>344972504
Sounds legit. In any case, nobody can force her to keep working on it.
>>344974475
>I think the idea is 8 is where all the real "legit OG channers" have gone.
Please.
>>344974167
You're forgetting the ones that just do scott pilgrim or cartoon network noodle arms shit.
https://graphtreon.com/all-patreon-creators
>no breeding team stats because its set to private
>>344974562
you were funding the DEVELOPMENT of the game, not the release of it. which is why you're dumb if you paid them.
>>344974562
It was on patreon not kickstarter, they weren't even receiving money specifically for BS, people were just funding the company's continued existence.
The company doesn't exist anymore.
Wasn't this the same artist that did broquest? Why did people still trust him after that fiasco?
>>344974491
The original guy started getting money to make it so he started hiring actual artists and stuff.
So /v/, would you prefer Breeding Season to be back but on the same old slow progression it has been since the start
Or, would you like to see what Cloud Meadow is all about? Something new.
>>344972573
Why would you want to "side" with either? Jesus fuck what is actually wrong with you, are you trapped in such a tribal state of mind that you have to always pick sides as to who was the worstest of them alls?
>>344974562
Patreon is a tip jar not a cheaper version of kickstarter which people assumed it was, niggers deserved it
>>344974487
It was on one of those porn games lists, I've played a few builds in the past.
>>344974562
Are you 12? Serious question.
>>344974689
I don't really give a shit, just give me my god damned porn already.
>>344974562
That's the think with Patreon though. As a general outset, you pay people to do what it is they do. Not to work towards an end goal.
>tfw schwig will never ever get work in any professional group after pulling this shit
>people paid $100 a month for this
you'll never be this stupid in your life
>>344973802
People blow through money quickly dude. Even if he's careful with it, he'll still be broke in a decade.
>>344974689
Cloud Meadow will be the same, except slower and with less people willing to help out.
>>344974689
Just fucking finish a game so I can jack off, already.
>>344973660
People keep trying to spin Broquest as something else S-Purple was responsible for "ruining", but the truth of the matter is that he was just left because it literally was not going anywhere.
>>344974434
This.
Western jews are driven by money. Once they have it they lose all interest and run with the shekels.
Japs are driven by depravity. They keep going fueled by the desire to see their sick visions given form. And, to hear the elation of those just like them who revel in depravity. The money is a nice bonus.
Japan knows whats up. So should you.
>>344974752
>implying the group he was working in was "professional" at all
>>344973802
It'll last him less than a decade.
>>344974774
Not even nick bates was this stupid.
let me hit you with a dose of reality
schwig will take his art and make a new game and he will be getting thousands of dollars all over again almost immediately because your average furfag is desperate for furry porn
>People actually expected a half-baked mess of two-frame animations that's been worked on for three years to ever get completed
Loving Every Laugh.
>>344974752
>Breeding Season
>Professional
They make Dischan look like a cohesive group of veteran professionals.
>>344974752
>western fetish porn artists getting work
haha, no
>>344974841
An attempt was made. Either way he's fucked, nobody will want to work with someone who'll just take shit and run.
>>344974863
Damn, we should start making furporn in paint. Mad dosh yo
>>344974127
How is that going to be interesting?
Just seeing how offended he will be that someone wouldn't take bullshit anymore?
>>344974852
>that picture
His teeth looked way worse than that.
>>344974038
isn't death note like 8 fucking years old now
>>344974774
>mfw the only porn game I ever supported was Huniepop
>mfw it was only delayed a few months
>mfw it was pretty good
Best 20 bucks I ever spent.
>>344974863
If Schwig knew how to make a game Bro Quest wouldn't have eaten so much shit.
>>344972786
Why WOULD Vanilly give opinions about the others online? It could ONLY hurt any potential case or future development partnerships with others.
>>344974906
Unless they draw furry, in which case they're swimming in dosh.
>>344974924
Yeah. Funny thing is they are fixing his teeth in jail via jail dentists. Although it doesn't matter, he's in jail for 40 years with a minimum of 16 for parole.
>>344974916
Except the attempt they made doesn't deserved to be called professional in any way
>>344975008
I can barely draw and draw pony porn and still get commissions every day. God bless the shut ins with endless amounts of disposable income.
I'm inherently suspicious of anyone who makes a big passive-aggressive callout post that the other party has to respond to from a position of disadvantage.
Like, no way is Shwig fully innocent of mismanagement, but this reeks of H-Bomb trying to pass the buck.
>>344974752
He probably knows his crowd, and he might eventually sort his shit out.
If he wants it bad enough, he'll get more chances.
>>344963907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU
>>344974916
>An attempt was made.
This doesn't mean it was professional by any means. At the end of the day these fucks are just a bunch of furfags making furry porn. They will never be taken seriously either way and if they are, it surely will be for their skill rather than content.
>>344972968
NoAika.
Dev is also pretty upright, refusing to do a patreon because "the game will be a paid release anyway"
He eventually made a separate one for pixel H-animations that had you pay per release and not per month.
When he started to get behind schedule for that, he cancelled rather than waste everyone's time, but he's still making the ones he'd agreed to do.
There's a demo if you're interested, apparently he's changed a lot of shit since then but it should give you a good idea of the project.https://mega.nz/#!opEFVSpK!hBRzVtgYvhGJaUfobzNehDhRfQd81ElJMyflQIOFiS4
>>344975113
Both of them are at fault stop trying to pin it on one side
>>344964124
Is it safe to dl?
Are patreon things copyrighted?
>>344975014
They probably just didn't want to look at them.
>>344975113
Schwig has always been a faggot who was only tolerated because he had an artstyle people like.
>>344975197
It doesn't matter. This entire operation is illegal anyway.
>>344975113
Any teenager should be able to tell that H-Bomb fucked up badly too. He literally cannot manage a simple project and spends most of his time swimming in money instead of directing his most valuable workers.
Vanilly's post is literally all you need to realize that he was just as greedy and incompetent as shwig.
>>344975167
Professional as a word really just means that you do something for a living. And they did for a stint.
But you're all right in that it might be a while before that will be the case again.
>>344975197
>Are patreon things copyrighted?
Yes
>>344975273
>Professional as a word really just means that you do something for a living
There are several definitions of the word, but it's obvious through context that these people are not professionals by any means.
Stop being weaseling.
>>344972573
>>344972889
>>344974127
>>344974375
>>344974585
Fuck off S-Purp
This resignation post is whining about the general responsibilities that come with a 50/50 contract and a successful patreon.
>I had to do management things when i just wanted to be an artist
>I had to do PR which I wasn't hired for
>I'm an employee
50/50 contracts dont work that way, unless youre a complete baby
>>344975014
Really? You get minimum 16 for alledged kiddy fiddling in the US?
>>344975409
IIRC he wasn't even tried for that he was tried for something completely different.
>>344975373
It's not Shwig's blog you retard it's Vanilly's.
>>344971237
The best part is those awards were revealed to be totally rigged. The western indie dev scene is pure fucking cancer.
>>344975373
You're dumb.
Kill yourself and stop breathing my air.
>>344974789
Nobody is going to put money into Cloud Meadow, even if we didn't have this current drama where it was discovered early, there'd still be fucktons of eyebrows raised had everything gone according to Schwig's plan. It would've been the Red Ash of Patreon Porn Videogames. There was no way he would've ever replicated anything close to the same number of backers, it was already a fluke that Breeding Season had done so well.
Incredibly, incredibly foolish.
>>344975373
>I'm an employee
It actually says the exact opposite though.
Vanilly was working as a subcontracter, but had to take care of employee responsibilities without having employee benefits.
Worked long weeks, was being kept in the dark about developments, and was being ignored when voicing concerns.
You better believe I'd quit too.
>>344975483
Unless he double downs on the furrybux by making a customizable PC
thread is auto saging, we need a new one that will last until morning
>>344975409
>>344975441
He was tried cause lulzcow cotnacted his parents (who abandoned him to their aunt and he had no father raising him either nor mother), and told them that he supposedly molested the sister. The sister always hated nick and when she was molested she was really young so it's hard to say if nick did lick her bum or not. Either way nick sunk his own ship by then emailing the prosecutor a video of him masturbating with shit to prove that he wasn't a pedophile but a poophiliac and that kinda just fucked himself completely.
>>344970494
What even happened to CoC? When I first downloaded it all it had were goblins, Marble, bee girls and tentacle beasts. Coming back to it now there's furry shit and futas everywhere and looking back at his blog he dropped the game to focus on TiTs and only came back to finish it after people kept asking him to finish his damn game.
>remember when this game was on Legend of Krystal forums
>mfw they had the audacity to demand money for a shitly produced flash game
>mfw it blows up in everyone's faces
This truly is poetry. I knew this would happen from day 1 and was just waiting for the inevitable crash.
>>344975483
Well they went from $22 to $49 in an hour
>>344975483
>It would've been the Red Ash of Patreon Porn Videogames.
So eventually it'll be picked up by a mysterious chinese benefactor?
you guys sure love watching things fail
every time you take enjoyment from failure you should help something succeed by contributing to balance things out
so back monster girl island on patreon
>>344975589
>that will last until morning
Not gonna happen, no matter what timezone you live in.
Is it even that hard to manage a project? I've seen other indie kickstarters that are by pretty much one person and they turned out fine.
>>344975441
What could a literal shit eating sperg neet do to net 40 years though?
>Not pirating everything and just saying you were a patreon backer when you get mad at developers.
>>344975691
>backing anything on patreon
No you cuck.
>>344975664
>now there's furry shit
What the fuck do you think bee girls and Marble are?
>>344975691
You know what I enjoy more than watching things fail? Pornography.
This isn't enjoyment. I wanted to play Breeding Season. These niggas fucked up.
>bs had 0 interesting fap material and got 34k a month
>actual porn 2d animators like boogey with beautiful fbf barely get 600$
explain this shit.
>>344975664
Fen started taking money from furries to put their ideas and ocs in the game.
>>344975653
Really though. Forty years, with little to no proof. Dang. I hope they're making good use of him in the prison economy or that system's broken.
>>344975691
>I doubt their patrons will ever pledge to another campaign and rightfully so.
>This big behemot crashing is probably gonna do more harm than good to other creators. It’s saddening the lack of professionalism displayed today.
>Ultimately I’m doing fine, I’m not in desperate need of more funding.
>I also would rather not have too many of their fans asking me to add futa
>>344975664
it's already done now he's expecting modders to just salvage it and now proceeds to create tits instead
>>344975819
>monster girls are furshit
excellent opinion lad.
>>344975691
>you guys sure love watching things fail
Then fuck off no one is forcing you to read this thread
>>344965538
If H-Bomb is an incompetent manager, then why didn't Swig anoint himself the manager? Why start a new project without a manager? Isn't Swig just dooming himself again? It seems rather sketchy.
>>344975819
I always assumed the difference between monster girls and furries was the muzzle, while still maintaining a humanoid body and obviously fur. Bee girls have a bee abdomen and both lack a muzzle though I am not an expert on the differences.
>>344975952
Monster girls are furshit, antros are furshit, actual animals talking are furshit, anything with cat ears is furshit, everything is furshit anon.
>>344975664
Terrible code and some of the worst dramawhores known to man who got their work in the game before he drafted up a decent contract all but scuttled the ship.
So it's done. He's never going back to CoC. TiTS is the future game, if only because he gets creative control from the get-go this time.
God damn, just reading about Marble's snuff-loving creator is impressive.
>>344976013
Schwig didn't need to do shit because he was rolling in patreon dosh with minimal work.
>>344975269
Literally everyone knew hbomb was incompetent, he himself even said so, but the supposed issue is that however much power schwig had over the project prevented him from getting someone else who would be more competent.
Not like it eould matter though since schwig effectively owned half the game and said game relied primarily on his assets, if he refused to scale back on something there would be no one to reasonably stop him.
>>344974832
I'm not trying to say S killed it. Near as I can tell, S was the only guy working on it.
The art was fine, but the game itself was bland and terrible.
But then again, making Broquest into a game rather than a meme was a terrible idea anyways.
>>344976095
Yeah, well he obviously felt he needed to do something, because he left his old project for a new project. So let's not think whether he needed to do something. He DID something. Why didn't he just make himself the project manager of Breeding Season? Why start a new project?
>>344976243
Because he knows people will pay for his art and making his own gets him a bigger cut?
>>344975884
>>344975916
>>344976089
Interesting, would anyone have a link to some of The Dark Master's content or possibly a blog? I remember him being the biggest dramawhore of them all and his autism fulled many a kek. His writing was garbage too but he had a ridiculously high post count, absurdly devoted to that game.
>>344976312
There was a pastebin of what happened in /cocg/. Also thread is almost kill.
>>344976301
Ah, so you're following what I'm saying. Alright. I wanted to hear what the other anon defending S would say.
>>344976014
What's "traditionally furry" is what you're describing.
Largely humanoid bodies with largely animal heads, usually excepting the eyes.
>>344976014
Generally, if it is an anthropomorphised (made more human) animal, it is furry.
Man, Shwig and Vanilly have changed a lot from when I knew them.
To think faggots lapped this guy's cock for le epin Save the Princess threads.
>>344976072
insert <knowing is half the battle> image
>>344971218
>>344971181
>>344971208
He said at one point. Undertale's beta build was made by toby fox alone afaik.
Spelunky isn't made by one single person, Minecraft is not only Notch, but there were versions of those games that were made by one single person
>>344976576
What are these like /co/ trips or something?
You never see trips around these days. What a shame.
>>344965538
>Schwig's new project was an attempt to salvage what was left of Breeding Season's art assets
lol
You're probably a dummy artist trying to sympathize with S but you need to remember he's also a jewish artist
>>344976767
Fuck off, tripfags were never good. Even the ones that are still around are too much.
>>344976801
>Schwig's new project was an attempt to salvage what was left of Breeding Season's art assets
Yeah and he's going to save it by adding more unnecessary shit like rpg battles which also needs assets
https://enty.jp/en/
Japanese Patreon
Go here and bring something back
>>344976812
Sir is cool at least
>>344976812
I know sarcasm doesn't quote well, but come on man.
>>344976897
Sorry lad, I've seen people completely unironically defending tripwhores before.
>>344976767
This was just the AT general. Funnily enough, the threads went way downhill after this as people tried to clamber into the circlejerk.I'm one of the people in that picture.
>>344976974
So every general that existed?
>>344976884
>https://enty.jp/en/daifuku
