What went wrong
It's a shit design that got a truly awful mega design. Sharpedo and Aerodactyl are the worst kind of mega, where they just take the base Pokémon and stick spikes and shit all over it.
>2002
ahhhhhh
>2014
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
>>344893561
Sharpedo at least has a reason for the spikes (it's a sawtooth shark) but it still looks terrible
Should have done pic related instead
>>344893561
I don't think Sharpedo's design is shit, it's just not great.
Megasharpedo is just...fucking awful
![mega-sharpedo[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/UfM1y1I.gif "mega-sharpedo[1].gif")
>>344893561
>>344894106
At least Mega Sharpedo's spikes are retractable.
The official art doesn't show that.
>>344893414
Megas are 50/50 terrible/good. In fact recent pokemon design follows this ratio, maybe more bad than good
>That shitty new bear
>That ugly fish
Gamefreak
>>344893414
y didnt they make it a full shark for the evolution?
>>344893414
>Nightmare vision goggles
>>344894438
For what it's worth, they're the only gen 6 two Pokémon I dislike.
>>344894449
I agree with most of this but I am glad the Safari Zone is finally being removed. It was always a shit idea.
>>344894752
>6
You mean 7? Also, so far I hate
>The weasel
>That shitty dragon because of its design
>Pikaboo's lazy concept
>The two legendaries are mediocre imo
>The terribly designed hedgehog-pikachu rip-off
The rest are passable enough that I don't hate them.
>>344893414
Generation 1 was a mistake
>>344895208
Oops I meant 7. Time flies.
I don't see how Pikaboo is a lazy concept though. A ghost that possesses old merchandise because it wants to be as popular as that? That's pretty novel and also meta as fuck.
Megas were a mistake.
Be glad they aren't in Sun and Moon.
>>344895314
>Old merchandise
If it was just old merchandise, the concept would be neat. Judging from what we've seen it's just pikachu, which is lazy as fuck.
>Hey, we can't think of anything new
>How about we just reuse pikachu again
>But we already did through this hedgehog
>Well make it a ghost pikachu
>>344893414
Somebody tried too hard.
>Shark Pokemon
Aw fuck yeah!
>evolves into beefy sawfish with battlescars
>A sawfish
Nobody actually likes Sawfish, despite how savage they can be.
>>344895606
That's just blatantly simplifying. It's not a ghost Pikachu, it's a ghost haunting Pikachu merchandise. You can even tell its real eyes are on its stomach, and it has a claw underneath the cloth that it uses to attack with.
>>344893414
God left us
>>344895741
Gee, how fucking great, they put two eyes on its belly and called it a fucking ghost. You're clearly going to disagree with my logic behind reusing the most rehashed pokemon in the entire series, so let's agree to disagree.
>>344895757
That's because some kid in Sinnoh chucked a master ball at him. The cunt.
>>344895861
It does fundamentally change its concept from "a ghost that looks like a Pokemon" to "a ghost that mimics a Pokemon", but all right, whatever floats your boat.
I think Drampa is conceptually okay, I just wish its eyes weren't as empty, it looks off.
>>344893414
>>344893561
>>344894438
>shitting on pokemon designs
A reminder to get a load of this and be grateful for what you have
>>344896292
>This shit is full of aids, be happy you're only getting regular old shit!
>>344895967
No, it doesn't. Because it's a ghost that inhabits only pikachu merchandise, making it a pikachu rehash. If it inhabited merchandise of various different mons, especially including a throwback to the old substitute doll, it would be a great idea.
But once again, it's a pikachu with a gimmick.
>>344893414
being creatively bankrupt, loading spikes and or glowing neon lines on an already existing model is what lazy devs do.
>>344896292
that shark is aight
>>344896292
>A fucking drop of gay
>>344894449
>bawwww they made a kid's game easier, as opposed as making it harder for adults like me!
>>344893414
I like it. It is definitely over designed though.
>>344896292
don't insult my yokai
>>344896292
That game has some pretty fappable mons.
Yen Shellder is fine.
Weed Shark is okay too.
That fucking assface thing though. Goddamn.
>>344896727
I was just about to say that
This is becoming a reality.
>>344896727
It's an item to evolve a yellow snake thingy (not pictured) into a pink snake thingy with lotus on head, not an actual Yokai.
>>344894449
I agreed with most of the points given until he started to sperg out about models and animations. Are you telling me it bothers you that fucking much that there's no turning animation, so much that YOU NEED TO SUDDENLY START SCREAMING AND COMPARE TO MARIO 64
>>344896753
yeah this is a valid point, but you know what that means? that they think current generation of kids is stupid compared to the last.
Meaning they think that somehow i was smarter at age 12 than a 12 year old kid of today. Which doesn't make sense.
There is no logic behind casualising an already casual game.
If a 10 year old can beat the game in 2000 then a 10 year old can beat it in 2016.
>>344894449
>game corner is replaced with an interesting minigame
Guide is too biased towards HGSS. If the minigame was put in ORAS instead of HGSS, that would be listed as a negative because everyone fucking hated voltorb flip when it came out.
>>344896292
Is that a fat kid. And a furry bait. Fuck me I'm sold.
http://www.bogleech.com/pokemon/parchive.html
This guy is reviewing every pokemon
If you care i guess
>no battle frontier in ORAS
I'M STILL MAD
>>344897160
>talking shit about Garchompokay, he's the most boring motherfucker in meta but the design is good
>>344897338
Stop advertising yourself you desperate betaboi
>>344897393
I disagree.
>>344897393
>skinny limb arms that are expected to be strong
>useless 'wings' that look like they serve no purpose
>three bright colours with no coherence
>spikes in the most useless positions
Garchomp is honestly one of my least favourite Pokémon.
>>344897341
Didn't they even fucking tease it with a model of it, saying like "ooh wee I am sure looking forward for this non-shit postgame!"
apparently pokemon now can go Super Sayan or something and pokefags are apparently ok with this
It's going full Digimon now
Everything went to shit after G2
>>344897341
>trusting the chinaman
The burden is on you, not them.
>>344897745
>Everyone is ok with megaevos
nah
>>344897745
>It's going full Digimon now
After all this time, no Pokémon has looked more like a Digimon than fucking Blastoise.
>>344893414
i had some shitty fast food kids meal toy that looked exactly like that thing. ill probably never know what it was
>>344897882
it's the digivolve mechanic idiot
>>344897745
The community is pretty divided on the issue, some like the concept, hate the execution, others are okay with its existence and the rest want to throw Game Freak off a cliff. If you want to play on the sims without using the Megas enjoy playing with your flying lions and lava frogs.
>>344897979
>Digimon invented temporary transformations
On a related note, im probably going to order a 3ds next week, should I get x y or alpha/omega
Megas are finewhen they're used on shitmons. Too bad that every fucking legendary or popularshit are getting them instead, like Lucario and both fucking Lati@s
>>344893414
>we want the yokai watch audience
>>344898160
Eeeeh, tough one. If you played the originals, go x and y honestly.
You can then hack your 3ds to either emulate emerald or get a romhack for ORAS afterwards, both of these options are much less casual than vanilla ORAS.
>>344898308
Kinda surprised, with the new reveals and all they haven't been posted yet.
>>344898273
>Used on shitmons
The shitmons should have them as evolutions, not as mega evos.
>Love some mega evos, especially for shitmons
>Can't use more than one because of gamefreak's retard balancing ideas
>>344897648
I don't get this pic. Do they just stall combat?
>>344898598
That is correct. Stall is currently the most popular metagame.
>>344896292
Why are they all bipedal and wearing fucking sandals?
Is that one on the top right literally a farting asshole mon?
>>344898273
Mega Latis are some lazy shit. They couldn't even make them different from one another, just make them into chunky purple shit and call it a day.
They just need to stop making megas to good pokemon to make their stats even higher. Just give shitmons stats that make them playable.
>>344898582
Yeah, I guess that actual evolutions > mega shit. But It's pretty unlikely that we'll be getting any of those anymore. I mean, just look at gen 5, fucking buffalo cow and fat luvdisc aren't fucking evolutions.
>>344898670
Why, does it even help them win?
>>344898789
Oh right, I forgot about those two pokemon. Could have been evolutions or side grades or something to Tauros or Luvdisc. No idea what goes on at that company with some of these ideas they implement.
>>344893414
Meth
>>344898789
Luvdisc and Alomomola are completely different kinds of fish.
Megas in general were a mistake. Sure I like a few, can't deny that, but overall the concept and idea of megas is shit and they should be deleted
>>344899431
So are Clamperl and Huntail. They could have just made luvdisc a pre-evo just to make the shit less forgettable.
>>344894317
Is there a website with all of these
>>344897160
Garchomp is fucking awesome.
>>344898739
The mega Latis make more sense in context, it's inferred their mega stone are a mutated soul dew of the other Lati@s.
>>344897160
Garchomp is fucking garbage.
>>344898912
You chip away at your opponents health effectively walling off or shutting down any hyper offensive pokemon the other team runs. They can't do shit, while you whittle their health down and get them put them on tilt.
>>344898739
But then no one would use them, as there are already stronger mega evolutions to use.
>>344898912
Not any more than any other tactic, but it sure makes a lot of people quit because it is annoying as fuck.
I used to keep my complete contempt for modern Pokemon designs to myself. Everybody seems to do a very poor job articulating exactly what their problems with the new designs are, and fanboys always fall back on the nostalgia-goggles excuse, so there's no real point in that discussion.
Then, a little less than a year ago, I introduced my gf to Pokemon FireRed on an emulator. As predicted, she fell in love with it. She didn't play games growing up, and had no familiarity with Pokemon, so it was all very new, but totally accessible for her. I have some good memories of playing it with her on our lazy Sundays. Fun times. Fast forward to about two months ago. We were sitting in the car at a drive-thru, and we start talking about pokemon again, and how I hated the new stuff and hadn't played any of the past several games. She's skeptical, so I decide to take my phone out and show her some. It just made her frustrated and sad. She said they looked like "bad bootleg Pokemon" and compared them to "a little kid's fan-fiction." That was probably the best description I've ever heard for how bad the new designs are. Then when we started moving again I had to spend ten minutes trying to convince her I wasn't lying about the keychain Pokemon. She looked like I'd just ruined her whole day.
Say what you want about Jynx, Voltorb, etc., but at least the weird ones were delightful exceptions, and not the rule.
>>344900680
>Say what you want about Jynx, Voltorb, etc., but at least the weird ones were delightful exceptions, and not the rule.
The same is true for modern Pokemon.
>>344900680
i just fucking hate the THICK LINES SOLID COLORS SIMPLE SHAPES shit
>>344900680
The only objective thing you can say about new versus old Pokémon is that the old ones look more realistic and based on real life animals.
Personally I always found those boring, so I have no issues with the new gens.
>>344896292
Coinpurse clam is great, would use if it were a Pokemon.
>>344898695
Because they're yokai
![214Heracross[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/tUEfYlI.png "214Heracross[1].png")
>best designed poke got the best designed mega
How does heracross stay so based after all these years?
>>344901041
I don't think there's anything objective to say about these kinds of designs. That being said, the original spirit of Pokemon was about going out into the world, exploring, experiencing nature, and having adventures. It was literally based on the experience of wandering in the woods and collecting bugs. The Yokai Watch designs above are perfectly fine for what they are (I guess) because they're supposed to be general monsters, not animals in the wild. The new Pokemon designs are bad because they're supposed to be animals in the wild, not general monsters.
>>344901486
Heracross was my fuckin' boy in Silver. Loved that classy motherfucker.
![mega_beedrill___twineedle_by_ishmam-d83mac3[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/88BOfQo.png "mega_beedrill___twineedle_by_ishmam-d83mac3[1].png")
>>344901486
Say that to my face motherfucker and see what happens.
>>344902028
>The new Pokemon designs are bad because they're supposed to be animals in the wild, not general monsters.
They're not 'supposed' to be anything. As I said, the original Pokémon did go by this concept more, but it's obvious that many new Pokémon aren't trying to be realistic animals. That's not inherently bad, it's just a direction you don't agree with.
>>344900879
>In modern Pokemon, weird ones are delightful exceptions
Nigger, you're crazy. Almost single new Pokemon looks like an old one got genetically crossed with Mr. Mime.
>>344893414
thats ... thats fake, right?
wtf did they do to sharpedo :||||
>>344902197
It's an art direction that clashes with the themes of the game. Going out and catching a garbage bag Pokemon, or a keychain Pokemon, or an ice cream Pokemon (because yes, that's exactly what it is)- none of which look natural or inspired- is ridiculous. If they were going to do that, they should've rebooted the series and removed their now broken "Pokemon are our animal friends!" shtick. At least then it'd be something different, and everybody could just say it was a new thing that wasn't their cup of tea.
>>344903028
What about the ball Pokemon, the magnet Pokemon and the black woman Pokemon?
>>344903028
Where exactly do you see anybody talking about "animal friends"? Anywhere I see, they just use "friends". It's commonly brought up that Pokémon are intelligent. Gen 5 entirely was about the fact that they weren't to be treated as animals. Pokémon like Zoroark are intelligent enough to pretend to be humans. Gen 4 had history books that showed that Pokémon and humans used to marry. I don't know where you're seeing this theme that the designs supposedly clash with. It's just what you want Pokémon to be.
>>344900680
So you just showed some of the meme ones like Klefki and Vanilluxe instead of cool ones. Ok.
>>344900879
Modern pokemon embrace the modern anime stereotypes entirely.
>>344903514
bullshit, there's only 3 moe loli Pokémon and none from gen 6 or 7
>>344896292
>implying you're not just jealous because yokai has the better titty monsters
Sun and Moon have the highest ratio of ugly shit pokemon to good designs out of all gens so far
At least from the ones revealed yet
I barely like any at all
>>344903642
>bullshit
Take a look at every single pokemon introduced from this generation. For the most part they're clean, bold lined, moe-stereotyped creatures with simplistic shapes or abstract blob features used to replace realistic features of animals.
>>344903028
>an ice cream pokemon
youve gotta admit though thats like the most hilarious shit ever
what they should actually do re: pokemon (but which - for obvious reasons - they never will) is to select some subset of the two to three hundred *best* of all the 700+ that exist and do a reboot with those being all the pokemon, period. vanilluxe? voltorb? fucking luvdisc? that shit just doesnt exist anymore, from now on forward its not in the canon any longer, deal with it.
>>344904039
Because most are first stage, most first stage nowadays tend to have big heads a be more moe, but last evolutions still have "correct" proportions and a more serious expression.
>>344901486
You're joking right? Do you see what happened to his arms? He got that popeye shit going on. And a fucking jew nose.
>>344897296
>that they think current generation of kids is stupid compared to the last
This is true though.
>>344903235
Delightful exceptions. Pokemon like Voltorb and Magnemite were also found in factories and stuff, not wandering around in the tall grass, so they were at least contextualized. Also, Jynx isn't a black woman. She's an obvious parody of ganguro fashion.
>>344903301
>Pokemon and humans used to marry
Holy fucking shit. This is at the core of what I'm talking about here. This thing has gone on for so long that the very idea of Gen 1 and Gen 4/5 existing in the same universe is ridiculous. I'm surprised by how much this bothers me. Pic fucking related.
>>344904449
And an air vent on his crotch.
>>344897648
Someone post the "Japanese Highschool Delinquents" starter pack.
Mega Evolution was a mistake.
>>344900680
This feels like hypocrisy to me, the keychain makes her sad but the magnet with eyeballs and the literal pokeball with a face doesn't. There are pokemon designs I don't like from every generation, a lot of the same tropes have been in pokemon denign since gen 1. I like the keychain and I like the pokeball with a face, I like Jigglypuff's massive cartoony eyes and I like Spritzee's too.
>>344904539
Right, Pokémon has changed a lot since gen 1. I'm certainly not disagreeing that if you stuck a random new Pokémon in RB, it would probably stand out. But you're saying this is an inherently negative thing because it clashes with the theme, even though the theme you're talking about hasn't been mentioned in the game for over 10 years.
>>344893414
Game Freak's idea of creativity involves shoving spikes on everything or making badass pokemon into ugly pieces of shit. See all of the fourth gen evos for first gen pokemon like Rhydon, and mewtwo's megas are fucking disgustingly poor design.
>>344904715
To be fair, the keychain and ice cream are more creative than people give them credit for. Klefki is a spirit that steals keys for safekeeping, based on Japanese folklore. The keys are not part of its body, it just collects them. The Vanilluxe line is icicles covered in snow made to look like ice cream. It's implied in Castelia that ice cream is based on them.
I can't really explain Trubbish. It's just garbage that's come to life, which I believe is the same story as Grimer has.
>>344904828
Rhyperior is goddamn boss
Post some actually good megasit's a short list, sadly
I'm keen on a good dose of Pokémon. Those new 3D animations look great, which is a good edition to play?
I'm thinking about playing those remakes of gold and silver since I have great memories about the originals. Or is there a superior choice?
>>344904715
Like I've said above, the weird Pokemon were at least exceptions, and did something to mix stuff up a bit. And yes, not all of the designs were great. Modern Pokemon is like if every single one was a Voltorb or a Mr. Mime. The colorful, unnatural, simplistic style is severely abused like that.
>>344904983
I found the folklore explanation to be an interesting idea on paper, but at the end of the day you're clearly just looking at a keychain. That's what the design is.
>>344905204
Stats and gameplay, it's nice, but the design is fucking shit. Rhydon deserved better.
>>344905439
>>344897648
People who play stall are cunts.
>>344904983
I genuinely like the keychain a lot, not only because of his lore, but because it really feels like the developers went put of their way to make his move set fit his origins perfectly.
>>344904620
Wish I'd saved that pic. I wanted to make that team.
>>344900680
i guess nintendo has lost the dumb slut and faggot in denial market
>>344905581
sableye is such a qt
>>344893414
Sharpedo went from one of my gen 3 favorites straight to the garbage can once I realized it wasn't a full shark. I thought it was turning to the right so the rest of the body was hidden by the head.
>>344893414
Digimon?
>>344897296
But anon, all you said was right. And it has been proven that designers make the game easier because they fear that the difficulty may make them lose some players.
Pokémon, Monster Hunter, World of Warcraft, Castlevania and lots more. And believe me, it has nothing to do with technology. Look at Shin Megami Tensei, for example. Yes, it has obviously changed for the past ten years but it retains far more of its difficulty than other franchises have.
>>344905537
I think that you're exaggerated the amount of weird shit in pokemon these days. I can't speak for gen 7 yet, but most pokemon are still mostly based around an animal and don't stray into wacky shit either all that often.
>>344906173
has there ever been a dolphin pokemon? I feel like a dolphin and full-bodied shark would be good version exclusives
>mega-pedo
>>344901486
But from which perspective?
>>344893414
you didn't drop pokemon 12 years later
>>344905512
HGSS, Platinum and B2W2 are the ones that I see recommended most often.
>>344906808
Nope. Having an ugly ass triggerfish was more important.
>>344893414
>>>/vp/
MOOOOOOOOOOODS
>>344894449
I don't understand the autism it takes to create these
>>344906808
Lanturn is dolphin like
>>344906951
Thanks! HGSS it will be then
>>344893414
They jumped the sharpedo
>>344906973
>muh dolphins
>muh wolves
>muh shitty popular animals
I'm glad Pokemon chooses more obscure creatures, vegetation, and concepts overall.
>Pitcher plant and corpse flower in Gen 1
>had to wait until gen 4 for Venus fly trap
>>344906876
left is correct
>>344907393
>Obscure creatures
No problem with that, except for choosing an ugly ass trigger fish.
>>344897160
>2020
>>344899663
e621.net
>>344904620
>>344905776
I gotchu familias
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Simisage_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pangoro_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Scrafty_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Croagunk_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Krookodile_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Floatzel_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
>generation 3 is over a decade old
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK MAN, I REMEMBER ALWAYS PERCEIVING GEN 3 AS LIKE HYPER NEW SHIT AND WAS ALL NOSTALGIC ABOUT THE PREVIOUS POKÉMON GENERATIONS AND SHIT
WHAT TEH FUCK
>>344896292
I fucking love Lvl5 design.
![VLR-Screen-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2gsIB4l.jpg "VLR-Screen-1[1].jpg")
>>344906534
Why can't they just add a shameless "bitch mode" option and let everyone else enjoy the real game?
>Just learned that there's a Mega-Pidgeot
I want to unlearn this
>>344908256
>it took 6 gens and a mega form for Pidgeot to finally not be Inferior to Dodrio and Fearow.
>>344907220
true. doesn't really resemble a lantern fish
>>344907393
I like obscures stuff but I also wouldn't mind obvious ones when you've done 30+ fish pokemon
>>344894317
These always look better in motion.
>>344897882
why don't you say that to my face nigger
>>344907748
Thanks m8, though I don't think Floatzel fits in, maybe Gothitelle would be a better choice.
>>344903235
>black woman pokemon
Like he said, animals in the wild.
>>344897745
>Everything went to shit after I stopped playing
Fuck off
So far, Sun and Moon are shaping up to be more creative and a lot better than gen 6 was combined. What are your hopes for the games?
>Difficulty option from the start: Beginner or Veteran modes. This will not happen, ever.
>Better animation on overworld character models. No more insa-turning when you shift directions, more expressive faces, etc
>Less hand-holding, let your rival be more like Barry who shows up every now and then to battle
>No more free Pokemon, stop fucking throwing legendary Pokemon and Laprases at me to just keep
>Good customization options, seriously at least let me change the male character's shoes
>Challenging and interesting gym leaders
>A less linear story
>POST-GAME. PLEASE. SOME kind of Battle Frontier with a ton of shit to do, no more Deta Episode bullshit
>Retcon Megas. Either get rid of them entirely or change the way they're implemented IE make them able to evolve without stones or just make them permanent evolutions
>>344908757
Wait, it's not the first one? I thought if people wanted to represent the second face, they just used :T
>>344909178
The overworld is at least using the non-chibi models now, so that's nice.
I agree with a bunch of your ideas. I don't really care about non-linearity in Pokémon though. It doesn't work. They tried it in gen 2 and those gyms were garbage. To accomodate for the nonlinearity, all gyms from 4th to 7th are about the same level, meaning some will definitely be too easy.
>>344905439
You first
>>344909178
All I really want is a hard mode from the start. Or at least a mode where you don't casually outlevel everything.
>>344894449
Wait they kept the HMs the same? What the fuck man
>>344909178
I'd like if you could trade with any trainer and not just designated npcs. you make an offer and depending on their trainer type they'll want a specific type or something that complements their team. then you could rematch them later and see how their team has changed.
