>I run on the unpatched, retail 1.0 version of the game!
What the fuck? Why does the speedrunning community accept this meme?
I asked /srg/ but they just sperged out at me like autists. Can anyone here tell me why speedrunning on an unpatched version of a game isn't heavily frowned upon?
Usually there's more glitches. At least I think.
Because nobody wants to see more than 5 feet past the start line in Fast Racing NEO
all categories are arbitrary
>>344847837
the OoT run at SGDQ was glitchless.
>>344847562
It's not a competition, there are no rewards for being best. They run whatever they think is fun to run.
>>344847562
Who's spergier, the people who actually speedrun or people like OP who spergs out about other spergs?
>>344847657
This. Speedrunning is often done by exploiting glitches and bad collision data. Because speedrunning is all about getting the absolute fastest time humanly possible, they will often choose the unpatched 1.0 versions because there are more of these glitches to exploit. They agreed, as a community, that this was the acceptable stance to take on the matter and honestly, I think that's fair. Not to mention, part of the fun speedrunners have is deconstructing the game and its mechanics and flaws to push boundaries and that's part of why people find them fun to watch.
>>344847961
I would really prefer if you would just be quiet right now.
>>344848194
>>344847562
>I run on the unpatched, retail 1.0 Japanese Cartridge remastered Reboot PAL 60hz version of the game
>>344847894
You mean """""""""glitchless"""""""""
It's always the Japanese version too.
Also, did anyone watch that Australian speedrunning stream today? Fuck that NSMBU run was horrible.
>>344847562
>Can anyone here tell me why speedrunning on an unpatched version of a game isn't heavily frowned upon?
Because you can standardize runs on older versions, unlike future version.
Pretty simple stuff.
>>344847562
How can people watch GDQ?
I like speedruns, but GDQ is a cringy fest.
Everyone acts either autistic or hostile towards each other, extremely uncomfortable to watch.
>>344847562
It's easier for everyone to always speed run 1.0 so we don't have runs of version 2.4.3 competing with a slightly faster 2.4.4.
Version numbers would just complicate records.
>>344848818
>and I want a separate category for my run, so no one would contest my WORLD RECORD
>>344847562
Because generally patches get rid of the glitches that speedrunners use, and like another anon said, it makes it a standard due to small shit possibly making it quicker than another version that some other guy is running, so its usually unpatched or latest.
>that fag that ran bloodborne unpatched
Come on man
this thread fuckin sucks
>>344853205
>He didn't watch the Jak & Daxter run
>>344853205
That's exactly why most people watch it. For the cringe and awkward moments.
>I'm doing a modified glitchless run, where we only use glitches intended by the developer.
>>344847562
people run games they like, and they run categories they feel is fun, exploitable(glitch wise), or the amount of competition that surrounds running that version.
>>344853687
>intended by the developer
>>344848821
what? everything preformed in it was things a normal player would encounter
heck half of the things could be boiled down to being called tricks
>it's a japanese version of the game seemingly for no reason at all
Can someone explain this meme to me?
>>344847894
for all those faggots who always squeeled about how glitching is cheating finally got what they wanted in that run. Now you know why speedrunners have been telling you all about why they use glitches. You can't win. Either glitchless is too boring or using glitches to get the fastest time possible is cheating. Can't have them both.
>>344853858
Less text boxes/shorter text due to characters i think
>>344847562
If the unpatched retail version is the fastest, then what the fuck is your problem.
>>344853858
Text scrolls faster. This is pretty basic stuff anon, use your head.
>>344853205
For great runs like the previous F-Zero GX, Gimmick, the recent small mario low % run, andJak and Daxter[/spoiler ] and even terrible, embarrassing runs which take up a majority of the events.
Super Metroid choke % runs were just hilarious and tranniversary was pretty bad, as was that one thic spic with the high voice during the Kirby block.
>>344853205
Watching this SGDQ made me miss the MHC.
>>344853906
yep
shorter character dialog is most common reason, and sometimes you get a glitch in Japanese versions that are patched out of American ones
those are the only reasons
>>344853892
it wasn't glitchless
>I'm playing on beginner mode, if you don't like it go find another amazing charity marathon
Speedrunners are pathetic
they choose what gliches they want and ban other glitches
just look at Zelda speedruns
>>344853205
It sums up the "people who play a lot of video games" audience/demographic/stereotype/whatever. I wish I had that .webm of some guy from this year's just freezing in spot for no reason
>i run on the unpatched 1.0 version of the game
>i talk shit about the programming skills of the devs while i'm playing on the version right before they patched the exploits i use out
>watch speedrun
>guy shows a glitch that saves time
>the glitch skipped almost 1/3 of the game
Wow dude speedrunning, its amazing
why do they ven play games, just make a savesate at the end of the game
>>344853205
I've found it hard to watch any gaming related media. You have game award shows where the presenters are awkward, unfunny or predetermined sellouts. SGDQ had a lot of people with fake attitudes and stiff personalities. Gamer culture has unappealing qualities because it's easily accessible.
The only run I legitimately liked was the Jax and Daxter run. I don't care that it played out like a Lets play, it was authentic. If they allowed people who acted like humans and didn't read out donations unless they were ego-less and weren't filled with overused memes like "HYPE" it'd be perfect.
>>344854080
exploit != glitch
try again
>>344853743
Yeah, like the totally intended glitch in the hit game Super Smash Bros. Melee that makes you slide across the stage
>>344854346
Sorry, I don't play party games like Smash.
Its easier for them
Speed runners are casuals in essence and only hard thing is memorialization
>>344854483
P-Party game?!
You take that back! It's a serious competitive fighting game for serious competitive fighting game connoisseurs like myself!
>>344854339
>it's not a glitch because i said so
fuck off
zelda and mario runners are so fucking autistic it hurts
>>344854265
Because the idea is to complete it as fast as possible, from start to end.
I hate the idea that speed runners would pick and choose which glitches and exploits are 'legitimate', but if it's clever and used well it's entertaining to watch.
For instance, I've watched and really enjoyed both the OoT 100% run (from 2011-ish?) and the any% that did it in like 15 minutes by wrongwarping from Ghoma's chamber. Both require some skill and work within the given game, and we're fun to watch as is.
People just get retarded about it all for some reason
>>344850218
The reason for the Japanese version is because usually Japanese = text goes faster. Literally gamers in English are given longer to read.
>>344847562
>>344850218
1 jap character = 2-3 sounds
Also a lot of jap words are 2-3 signs, meaning its even shorter.
Bonus point: English doesn't increase text scroll speed to compensate.
I.E Fire Emblem GBA, any Zelda, etc.
>>344847562
Why wouldn't it be acceptable? You're still playing an official version of the game.
Imagine living in a time before the patches and updates for a game were released. How would you know that version 1.0, the version you are currently playing, by your logic, would be invalid for speedrunning?
>>344854618
>not knowing the difference and not willing to learn it
and you wonder why speedrunners never bother explaining shit anymore?
>>344854898
I can relate to this.
>>344847837
my mind wanders
>>344854941
Nobody cares about OoT explanations you stupid fucking faggot.
nintendo speedruns are fucking garbage and the only thing that comes out of mario or zelda are non-passing trannies
>>344855049
Doesn't have to be OoT. This goes for speedrunning in general. Don't be mad because speedrunners don't cater to what you want to see and when you realize things don't revolve around your tastes maybe you'll take things less seriously.
Why the fuck is speedrunning a thing anymore? Why was it ever a thing? It's probably the most autistic video game related thing you can do outside of straight up writing fan fiction.
>>344855415
If you've replayed any of your games chances are you've used some tricks to skip annoying parts or even something simple like cutting the corners.
Internet, and especially live-streaming, helped a lot to organize this system.
GDQ however doesn't have anything to do with speedruns anymore.
reminder to sit up straight
https://synchtu be/r/SGDQ_2016_Bonus_Stream
we still alive
airing now: Contra 3 by mr K
>>344856254
there's a marathon on RIGHT NOW senpai
>>344857054
ahh shieeet thanks
The only "speedrun" I've really enjoyed was Blindfolded Punchout
>>344857054
>>344857613
Welcome to every single speedrun marathon and twitch channel outside of AGDQ and the few people who have gotten extremely popular because of AGDQ.
This is the old school GDQ experience people ask for.
>>344853892
I can't imagine how boring and petty of a person you must be to think using glitches is cheating in a speed run, and demand all runs to be glitch less
CAN YOU PLEASE STOP
>>344854596
Yup, it is.
>>344857850
i'd frost that chocolate with my vanilla
>>344854265
Um, no? Like, fuck off with that logic. Sequence breaking is cool.
>>344847562
>asking why a collective group of autists are doing autismal things
wooooooooow
>>344857690
I'm yet to see anyone that has said that. People were complaining during the run that there were plenty of glitches being used. The runner has come out and defended it as condoned and not a glitch because the "community that runs the category discussed it and agreed".
That's fine and all for their small community but when you show your stuff off to a wider audience and they see what is indisputably a run that takes advantage of multiple breaks from how the game was intended to be played by developers, then the discussion and rules from your little community really don't matter to the rest of the world.
And don't get memey with me about developer intended, I'm referring to breaking the game specifically, not dungeon order.
There are plenty of good names for this kind of thing and they are well used by other games categories. No Major Glitches (NMG), Warpless, et cetera.
Calling it glitchless then breaking the game just causes a fuss. A glitchless Zelda OoT run would be like 5 hours.
>>344857850
holy shit what the fuck is those things
>>344858006
>I'm yet to see anyone that has said that.
I have.
Am I the only one that actually likes glitch runs?
>>344858256
Are you retarded? A vast majority of speed running is based on glitches. What makes you think you're the only one who enjoys them?
>>344858095
meh people say all sorts of retarded shit.
>>344858256
most people do but there's obviously a limit. games that have a credits warp in the first minute have limited competitive value and the interest over speedrunning is its time trial basis.
>>344854327
you wouldnt happen to want to be friends would you? ;p
>>344858343
I should have said the only person on /v/
>>344857850
Holy fuck I want those jugs around my dick.
>>344847562
Why should it be frowned upon?
There's nothing saying an unpatched game is unsuitable for a speedrun. There are tons of different categories for the things.
It's like saying car races don't count because humans were meant to use their legs to race or vice versa. There's no one accepted race. The only important thing is that it's categorised correctly (i.e. you don't compare an athletic race to a motor race, you don't compare glitchless to glitched or TAS etc).
>>344854898
>>344858916
I find the majority of people who hate speedruns, calling it autistic etc., are people who can't do it themselves.
The tricks in general aren't really that difficult, it's more about practice than skill, but people see others do it, try it once or twice, fail, and rip on the entire thing to make themselves feel better.
A handful of people of course simply don't like it just because. I don't really enjoy horror games, but I'm the only one of my group of friends that actually beat the early silent hill games.
>There is no point in speedrunning other than "it's fun"
>runners play same 30-60 minute long dated nintendoshit game day after day for months
>At this point any point of novelty or fun is definitely gone
>All that remains is hope that you can beat other ~5 autists that bother to speedrun that game
>some few can hope to monetize it on twitch
Speedrunning is epitome of autism in gaming and competing for sake of competition gone wrong. SGDQ can be fun event to spectate, because it showcases many games and has a lot of cringe, but being part of this comunity full time means you failed as a person
>>344858006
>I'm yet to see anyone that has said that
Not him but we've had plenty of threads bitching about how speedruns with glitches were somehow not legit or something
Some of the most mindboggingly stupid arguments I've ever read, those guys literally couldn't comprehend that speedrunners make up arbitrary categories and then compete in those
>>344854059
They got stopped
>>344859269
Sorry you weren't able to come close to the record.
Better luck next time!
>>344859269
>There is no point in speedrunning other than "it's fun"
There's no point in any hobby except 'it's fun'
>>344859224
speedrunning is autism.
routing on the other hand is art.
>>344859340
To be fair a lot of the "ALL CATEGORIES ARE ARBITRARY" talk is just talk. It's more interesting to see someone quickly beat all the temples in OoT than just wrong warp to the end fight.
>>344859426
Thats my point. Speedrunning is a hobby. You have hobbies to spend your time for fun. Grinding same old game for months isn't fun. Its done for perverted sense of competition.
Which runs were the most cringe & embarassing this year? All I know of is Ty the Tasmanian Trainwreck & Cismin, and even I don't got the full rundown on those.
>>344859678
>Grinding same old game for months isn't fun.
Not knowing that fun is subjective is a sign of severe autismality, anon
>>344859753
Fallout 3: Tranniversery Edition
>>344854059
A couple are going to ESA, I think.
>>344859753
That fo3 thing where he called out the "chick" on "her" transition made me physically cringe
Reminded me exactly of /v/
>>344858006
When I first heard about glitching in speedrunning, I thought it was an awful tactic. This was because I was thinking I beat the game fairly and all this guy is doing is just abusing the system to get a faster time than anyone else. After I watched a bunch of speed runs, I realized their aim isn't to show how well they could as fast as possible (glitches being fine but I think do the intended mechanics but literally how to get to the end of the game console commands are not allowed because in some games you can just teleport to the end). Until I saw how crazy and fun the glitches were as well as their intention, I didn't really understand the "point."
>>344859869
Please link, that sounds like gold.
>>344859806
Its subjective but there are reasonable expectations of what is fun for healthy human being. People play games to be stimulated in new ways. People have healthy competitions in living communities in varied ways. Replaying same old game in almost identical way in order to achieve slightly faster time, when almost nobody cares about your "accomplishment" doesn't qualify as a hobby, it is unhealthy obsession.
>>344860785
How is it any different to runnign the same 100m track over and over and over to save a few milliseconds, or any similar sport apart from the healthiness argument
People like competing, people like minmaxing, it's fun to them, there is no wrong or right fun
>>344847562
Runners typically use the fastest version of the game.
If a particular patch version, or the unpatched version, has glitches or exploits not found in the latest version, then they have to roll back to that version in order to run it.
This isn't hard to figure out, OP.
Even on console games, there are version differences (see: Greatest Hits/HD collections having fixed glitches or introduced different ones, nearly all games being faster on NTSC, many games being faster with Japanese text, etc.)
>>344860907
Athletes run for money. They run for health, They usually do many other athletic sports. They have real competition between 1000s people. This is perfect example of healthy competition.
>>344847562
Because it allows tricks, exploits, glitches, and other things the developers didn't want the player to have. Your feelings about people using these don't matter.
>>344854265
>you have to speedrun the way I want you to!
Shut up.
Your mentality is fucking cancer.
"Who do they even play games?"
Are you fucking kidding me? You know every speedrunner has played their speedgame through normally, right? A lot of the time, they adore the game and that's precisely why they speedrun it.
Get the fuck out of here
>>344854898
In my senior humanities class in high school, we got into a discussion about artificial intelligence or something and the "that kid" in the class started talking about how toasters have feelings or some shit
And this .webm is basically what I did in response
Not even kidding
>>344857054
The only Aussie streamer I care about is Grig, is he there?
>>344859678
>Grinding same old game for months isn't fun.
For you
>>344861379
>they run for health
>which is why they take steroids that kill them
>and its only healthy if there are x many competitors
ha
>>344861379
>amount of participants is directly proportional to the amount of "real" and "healthy" competition
What in the unholy fuck is going on in your brain, anon?
>>344861890
My very first point was that they run for money. Not all motivations are compatible.
>>344848245
I LIKE THAT JUMP
>>344854346
It's amazing that in 2016 people still stay intentionally uneducated about wavedashing because it hurts their feelings because they cant do it.
physics exploit=!glitch, not gonna correct you more than that because you're gonna deny reality anyway no matter what I say.
>>344862017
If you have 1000s of opponents you can get proper competition, because people with outstanding skill will come up, not only those that bother playing. If you have many different opponents you can expect proper variety, adaptability and innovation. If you compete in something that only you, your roommate, some guy in Arizona and some guy in Japan care about all you do is wallow in your own incestuous filth and is inexcusable activity to obsess over.
>>344862385
>proper competition
What the fuck is "improper" competition?
Either you're competing or you aren't.
>If you compete in something that only you, your roommate, some guy in Arizona and some guy in Japan care about all you do is wallow in your own incestuous filth and is inexcusable activity to obsess over.
But if 1000 sweaty neckbeards all run Super Mario Bros. any%, then suddenly it's a "real" competition even though the participants are exactly the same sorts of people as the smaller communities.
What you're saying is that the NFL is a more real competition than a state spelling bee, because it's bigger.
So what happens if something comes along that's even more popular than the NFL? Is it suddenly less competitive?
You're so retarded it actually hurts me deep inside. There is no logic to your position at all.
to you guys, it's never ok, is it?
no matter, you will never be content or happy because you do not acknowledge others, what you secretly do not acknowledge yourselves.
to me, most of you here are just spoilsports and bad losers.
>>344861615
I struggle to not roll my eyes when that kid speaks. It gets problematic because presentations are a big part of the coursework, so he would fully see me rolling my eyes at him.
Between him and the quadroon chick who brings up BLM during technology talks, I don't have much faith in my class.
Now this is speedrunning.
If you can't wear a blanket it isn't >FAST
>There are events for speedrunning cancer
>There are no events for people that put on a show and play videogames in an unconventional manner for the purpose of entertaining their viewers
>>344861685
Yea he's next up in quite some time.
>>344863446
>blanket
It's a fucking white mage cloak
From Final Fantasy
Because he's playing an FF spinoff
Christ I don't even play FF and I got that
>>344863478
>There are no events for people that put on a show and play videogames in an unconventional manner for the purpose of entertaining their viewers
You mean like... a Let's Play marathon?
Or like Game Grumps Live or some shit?
>>344862719
>if 1000 sweaty neckbeards all run Super Mario Bros. any%, then suddenly it's a "real" competition even though the participants are exactly the same sorts of people as the smaller communities.
Yes, mario games in SGDQ have much better speedruners than Barbie game or Pepsi man does. Runners on stage did better than those 1000 other sweaty neckbeards, they all together contributed to discovering glitches, routes, and therefore this run is quite interesting. Meanwhile nobody gives a damn about timings of Barbie game or Pepsi man, those are for humor or filler.
>What you're saying is that the NFL is a more real competition than a state spelling bee, because it's bigger.
Spelling bee has large enough participant base to have healthy competition, but even then it is something that only parents and teachers care about and is done primarily for education purposes. NFL needless to say is better competition and that is reflected by its popularity.
>So what happens if something comes along that's even more popular than the NFL? Is it suddenly less competitive?
If it becomes so unpopular that it starts lacking in talent or being able finance professional athletes, it will become less competitive. If you don't see my point, see difference between UFC male and female championships.
>>344847562
It's mainly a utility thing for TAS
For example, If I was running Sanic Boom, I would want to run the 1.0 version for the Knuckles jump glitch, If I was running Portal 2 I'd want 1.0 for wall glitch, etc.
That said if you're not doing a TAS or there's not region differences it's bullshit to do anything but most recent version unless it's broke as fuck.
>>344848141
and most speed run games have at least 2 categories , so people usually run glitch and non glitch separate and there is literally no problem
>>344863718
>popularity defines the strength of a competition
Stop
>>344863661
It's a woman running it. I couldn't tell what it was and went with "blanket" You're right.
>>344863839
The ubiquitous "non glitch" section isn't non glitch, its 100%. Any and 100.
The only glitch I'm not a fan of is one that breaks the code and loads the credits, calling that a "win", like SMB3. At least get to the boss/last level, even if you skip right past him (oblivion). It's cool as a proof of concept, but I'd rather see someone play.
Other than that, as long as it's categorized, I'm good for whatever.
>>344864148
its amusing to see arbitrary code executions but it isn't competitively interesting.
>that SMW speedrun race where four guys tried to jump on koopas the fastest and load the credits
That kinda stuff is only fun the first time you see it.
So long as it's the same game they'll choose whatever they can go fastest in. It is aggravating when they talk about how "poorly coded" a game is, since I'm pretty sure most of them have no idea what they are talking about and are just following the guides laid out by someone else.
>>344847716
That speedrun would've been boring to watch either way
>>344863478
Completing games in some manner of time is important, otherwise you'd find a lot of people with nothing to really show if they aren't as good entertainers as they think they are and shows could go on for ages on the wrong game.
I'd imagine the only way this would really work is if you had some people who are regular streamers who were down to earth and not obnoxious to be in a sizable gamer group, Lest people on youtube whinge because gamegrumps/johntron/pewdiepie/Minecraftgamer1940291 or whoever aren't included.
>>344864379
how does their direct discovery of something being badly programmed affect the validity of their opinions?
I don't need to know why shit is the way shit is I just need to not step in it and I can acknowledge that it is in fact shit.
I used to hate the glitch speedruns and had never watched a games done quick thing but after watching the elder scrolls runs and a few other game runs, as long as the runner is cool watching them use glitches can actually be pretty funny/interesting.
>>344864641
I don't necessarily mean because they didn't discover it, I more mean that they have no knowledge of coding. It's like when someone using a script talks about "hacking." They just use poorly coded as a catch all term for why the developers didn't think someone would jump against a specific wall 13 times then kill themselves in order to warp to the end of the level. It just seems oddly insulting to the developers of the game you've spent thousands of hours playing.
>>344865727
Yeah that's fair. A lot of times "badly made" is a really stupid term when you're doing something that would have never been accomplished casually
>>344857690
You'd be surprised how many people whine in yt vids of world records. Saying its invalid because of glitches or difficulty, that what categories are for. I have a friend that says glitch runs should not count. Its so simple really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ilXV5MLciE
>4chan kids
What exactly did she mean by this?
>>344847562
To be fair, speedruns involving glitches can be more entertaining depending on what the glitch is.
>>344857850
how is this the first time i've seen this webm? i'd have figured titties would be more popular
>>344864982
>as long as the runner is cool
More truth in this than you know.
The Australian version of GDQ is on right now and there's something like 400 viewers and it peaks at 1000. That's behind top individual speedrunners streams.
But even those streamers are very, very few and are mostly there because they both have WRs and are very personable. A couple just because of their personality and not their records.
AGDQ and SGDQ are absolute anomalies. Everywhere else, speedrunning is an obscure hobby interesting only to a subset of video game players. But GDQ is still in its popularity bubble and draws huge crowds.
>>344866082
I'm not surprised at anything people whine about in youtube comments. It's the modern equivalent of a truck stop bathroom where people write whatever.
Who the hell watches speedrunners
>>344867029
Autists
>>344867029
It makes excellent background noise while I work or play games.
helps break up listening to music or the news.
>>344859678
>Grinding same old game for months isn't fun.
For you.and for me too, but I'm humble enough to accept some people might find it fun
>Its done for perverted sense of competition.
This is also worst for the most cases. Most people just want to see a game beat super fast, regardless of who does it. The people help each others with tips and support. A WR don't last too long anyway. I never watched a speed run and said "omg, this is the guy who has the WR !!". I was more like "cool, those guys are all good at this game" and they will tell us more while this non-WR holder makes the run, because the WR holder don't care about "fame" (as if there was fame to be found in this)
QUICK /v/! TELL ME SOME INTERESTING/FUN SPEEDRUNS TO WATCH ON YOUTUBE.
>>344868332
the one where they code a snake and pong game into mario
>1.0
>Glitches are abundant allowing for interesting routing, exploits.
>Times tend to be short so you can perfect the entire run
>Very competitive.
>3.14.159
>Glitches are all fixed, can't get out of bounds.
>Run is essentially a fast lets play
>Runs take up to multiple hours
>Instead of perfecting specific exploits, you try to squeeze in as many optimizations as possible.
>Even the WR runs have mistakes.
>>344868612
I liked this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6eY73sLV0
But honestly just skip ahead by 5 seconds repeatedly the videos way too long.
>>344854694
Anti-speedrunners act like there's nothing interesting about seeing how quickly a game can be beaten.
They also act like it requires no skill to do the 15 minute OoT run. What they don't realize is that if someone plays the game in that way, they've probably beaten the game 100+ times normally.
>>344868332
https://youtu.be/SRbybbDo8Kw?t=744
Here. This was one of my favorite runs from AGDQ 2016. The guy has a lot of heart and the excitement is big.
>>344847562
>run version 0.0.0
>finish game instantly
>g-g-guys look at my speedrun
>>344864028
There is a category for some called glitchless. Granted, not all of those are without exploits as not all exploits are glitches.
Speedrunning is one of the worst things that happened in video games, I'm not fucking kidding. I seriously don't understand how so many people came together and thought that beating a game as fast as possible was something interesting much less even desirable. Isn't the whole fucking point of video games that you don't want it to end that fast?? You want there to be length, meat on the bones to chew, a good adventure.
Speedrunning trivializes the whole thing, and it's just gay to be like "wow, that guy just beat a whole 8-hour game in 30 minutes!" All I can think when I hear that is, "yeah, sounds real fun, I'm sure he actually played it and didn't just find ways to break the shit out of it with glitches."
>>344857054
>>344857613
>OI YOU FUCKING CUNTS WE GON SPEEDRAN SUM GAMES
>>344863928
You need to have at least above a certain threshold of people playing or else there's just not enough people to make it competitive.
>>344869423
its basically how it is
48 hours of sick cunts and doggos
>>344869372
>one of the worst things that happened in video games
>not the crash of the 1980s
>or DLC
>or microtransactions
>or early access
>its that fucking obscure, niche interest that people only acknowledge two weeks out of the year when a GDQ happens and even then the only people that notice it are on video game enthusiast forums like /v/
Senpai please when you write an opinion on /v/ the only person that cares is you. There's no need to lie and exaggerate.
