1060 is kill
http://wccftech.com/sapphire-rx-480-nitro/
>>344763778
RIP in pieces
They put metal on the underside of the cards now?
>>344764107
Backplates existed for ages, but usually only on high end customs
8 pin conector
480 is saved
>>344764107
That thing is fucking sexy.
Holy hell I would love one in my Fractal R4
>>344764234
So what happened? Did they just try too much in too little time on the card? And fall out of Spec?
>>344764212
Oh. The last card I bought was a gtx 480. I was thinking of getting a new pc so it looked odd to me
>how the card looks is actually a factor when people buy them
>>344764460
>better cooler
>overclocked
>8 pin
yea, just the looks
>>344763778
>He fell for the AMD meme
I'm so sorry, anon.
>>344764948
So they fixed everything? I wonder what it can clock at now
>>344764234
It's been saved in a recent driver, regardless of 8-pin.
>>344765014
care to explain?
>>344765069
480 is a shitfest
and AMD has nothing to offer at the high end
>>344764460
Hardware fags are severely autistic, more autistic than you can ever imagine.
>>344765014
>it's another NOVIDIA shill ">he fell for the AMD meme" meme
>>344763778
Aside all the shitposting, I do not understand how the 1060 is kill. Isnt the 1060 a 980 card? while the 480 is a 970?
?
>>344765145
>Previous performance per dollar record blown the fuck out
>shitfest
>>344765258
It's shitposting but the 1060 is a ??? card. There's no real specs or benchmarks just vague ass charts and claims.
Asynchronous compute
vulkan
>>344765229
Have fun buying a new mobo.
>>344765461
The problem was patched.
>>344765461
lmao le geforce 4xx gen have fun buying a new house.
I can shitpost too, shill-kun.
>>344765504
>Trusting AMD drivers
>>344765716
I haven't read about anyone having problems with them.
>>344765919
He's an nvidia shill
Nevermind that the rx 480 sapphire is void of the nonexistent mobo issue that plagues cards like the gtx 960 and the 750 ti due to the 8 pin and it even has better cooling
>>344765716
Even Tom's shillware is saying it's fine
>>344765919
because he's spouting memes, it's the only defense nvidiots have, misinformation.
>>344765145
>and AMD has nothing to offer at the high end
and I care why ?
I'm not even a shill but I have been buying mid end ~200$ AMD gpus for years. great value for money, play most games in high settings.
>>344766072
The guys that run the site or the know nothings that post in the forums?
>million dollar hardware
>devs make or use barely functioning engines that make use of not even a tenth of all that power
Fuck improving graphics. Devs need to learn engines.
What we really need is fucking AI. Get on it, you lazy pieces of shit.
>>344765020
They're not going to clock much differently from any other GCN card, they all have the same pipeline length. Most cherry dies hit around 1400mhz, 1500mhz stable would be incredibly rare.
Its entirely dependent upon how high of a binned chip you get.
From what it looks like Apple purchased all of the 90%+ dies.
>>344766059
The aberrant power draw issues had nothing to do with the power connector on the PCB. The die itself controls how it draws power, it was entirely a software bug. AMD put more new PowerTune IP in 4th gen GCN than ever before, and their new OC software needs some kinks worked out. The driver fix currently out now will eventually be rolled in when they stop ASIC quality rating from influencing Wattman's behavior.
It never affected all cards to begin with.
>>344765627
Eat shit, child
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/26.html
>>344763778
>>344764107
I can tell by its design that it's going to get hot enough to fry bacon.
Christ, AMD. People don't want space heaters.
>>344766724
>huge heat sink and two fans
>on a die that only pulls 110w
>reference cards perfectly fine with a ridiculously small aluminum block and a blower
>HURRR ITS GONNA GET TOO HOT GUYS
Top quality shitposting
>>344766976
>90c is perfectly fine
>>344766724
Backplates without vents seem odd to me, on one point the heat could just go upwards and near your cpu, on the other it seems like its going to be strangled.
Sapphire are good stuff though and in two months I may get one if the 1060 is no cop and the 1070's aren't in stock.
Amd cards get closer in value to Nvidia counterparts over time even if they don't have the immediate wow factor.
>>344763778
V U L K A N
U
L
K
A
N
This kills the 1060.
>i can't wait to upgrade my GPU to a $800 model so i can max out graphically intense games like 7 Days to Die, and No Man's Sky!
>>344767501
Hve you try it in DOOM
that shit is like fucking magic.
i hope more devs start using it
>>344767403
It hits 80c on the stock fan profile, you tech illiterate child.
>>344763778
>RX480 gets annihilated even in DX12
it's over
>>344767646
I admit I slogged through Witcher 3 at 30fps on pc because I couldn't be arsed to pay for a better card than a 750ti due to waiting for pascal and vega.
I am sure if I can't get a gtx 1070 for about $380 I will end up cheaping out and getting an rx 480.
I have a 960, I'm in no hurry to upgrade.
Will wait for benchmarks in September.
>>344763778
Damn i would get that if i didn't already own a 290 that is OCed to hell. They need to hurry the fuck up with the 490.
>>344767646
This.
>be 15
>always looking up all these games my shitty toaster can't run
>be 24
>have the perfect PC
>try some Crysis 3 and AC Unity
>go back to Counter Strike Source, COD4 and STALKER
>>344768023
>Only 5% at max settings on a real DX12/Vulkan game
>2 gamewerks console port titles
kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMsGl_XxTk
This is all of you every single day.
>>344768376
>2 gamewerks console port titles
Oh yeah, we forgot about all those games that purposefully gimp AMD cards.
Even less reasons to get one.
>>344768376
Even better, there is no consistency in the testing parameters. Certain titles have special AA enabled while others don't. The benches are tailored to the 1060's strong suit, and not representative of real world performance delta between both cards.
The 1060 might be 10fps faster than the RX 480 when using 4X SSAA that favors Nvidia's arch, but that disparity evaporates under scrutiny.
>bought 480
>runs GTA V 1440p, no AA necessary, same for Dark Souls 3
AMD won.
>>344768605
The main reason you shouldn't get a console is nothing to do with PCMR, but the fact there's been absolutely fuck all offering on them that looks value for money, let alone worth getting anything for.
Likewise Forza is nothing special compared to Dirt/Trackmania etc, and TR is an absolute joke compared to the Legends games.
i wonder why all the 1060 shilling threads suddenly stopped?
there used to be at least two active 1060 shilling threads active at all time a few days ago.
i wonder why it has stopped?
>>344768723
Tbhfam only benchmarks worth shit is highest settings for 60FPS per resolution, which means in this case would be Ultra sans AA, PhysX (for a proper comparison), tessellation turned down as necessary etc.
Getting no stutters and 60FPS is way more important than switching EVERY fucking thing on even if it actively makes the game experience worse e.g. fucking Motion Blur.
>>344768969
Where's the game benchmarks?
>>344764107
That backplate is so fucking ugly and dumb looking. I'd rather just have exposed PCB.
>>344767774
I got enormous gain on my real old R9 280x.
>>344768969
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/Slow%20-%20no%20sli%20-%20watercooling%20not%20possible%20-%20no%20async%20compute%20-%20expensive.jpg/
Takes one shill to know another shill.
>>344769028
>I-IT DOESNT COUNT!
every time.
>>344766713
They did pretty well for themselves even when Nvidia wasn't screwing up until they decided to rebrand their 90°C space heater junk for four years in a row.
>>344769152
No, seriously, where are the game benchmarks?
I'm playing games, not 3DMark.
Where are the game benchmarks?
Please someone post game benchmarks.
>>344769090
yea, me too, same card
i even started a new run. at the start of the stage 3 the forge, not a single framedrop.
that shit is fantastic
>>344769152
It doesn't count when the entire industry is out to fuck over AMD cards with thinks like gameworks.
>>344769263
>>344769090
I don't care if AMD won with this gen by this point.
All I know is that AMD has done something magical with GCN and cards as old as 2011 are suddenly getting a new lease on life all around.
>>344767774
They won't, and i'm glad of it.
Last thing we need is AMD being relevant.
>>344769401
>are suddenly getting a new lease on life all around.
Games that use Vulkan, AKA Doom and that's it.
No one is going to move on from DirectX 12 since nobody cares about AMD or it's consumers.
>>344769028
>>344769115
>>344769250
from 0 to 3.5 how mad are you right now?
>>344769401
No magic to it, the raw performance was always there. SIMD utilization for the arch can be incredibly high if the code is there to make use of the wave front.
>>344769579
Not much, I mean, nobody provided proof that the RX 480 is better than the 1060.
Where are the videogame benchmarks?
>>344769525
Too bad Todd won't learn and start putting Vulkan to Skyrim remastered.
>>344768274
490 is gonna be dual polaris. not sure if you want that.
>>344769670
When will good developers start using Vulkan?
>>344769525
DX12 and Vulkan are basically the same thing. Both based on Mantle.
>>344769657
>I-IT STILL DOESNT COUNT!
first the shilling threads vanish and now you people go into full denial.
will nvidia ever do anything right?
>>344769798
The videogame benchmarks count, and I don't see them.
Why are there no videogame benchmarks?
Where are they?
Is AMD ashamed of their videogame performance?
Where's the proof?
Where's the benchmarks?
Can someone post them?
>>344769684
Thats an absurdly stupid rumor started by the street shitting clickbait artists from WCCFtech. Theres no validity to it.
The Polaris 10 die was designed to be as cheap to produce as possible, it sacrificed raw performance to accomplish that, and made up for it by increasing clocks and power draw. A 300w~ dual die card with Polaris 10 wouldn't sell.
>>344769754
that's what the nvidiots don't get, when AMD came out with mantle it literally changed everything.
everything in the future will run in accordance to AMD's will.
nvidia is over.
>>344769916
Not really.
AMD doesn't have any influence in videogames since nobody buys their GPUs or CPUs.
No one is going to change the industry to appeal to a minority.
>>344769862
calm down there buddy, you can't win every battle
>>344769982
But you haven't won, there's no proof of anything.
Where are videogame benchmarks showing the RX 480 performance and GTX 1060 performance?
Do they even exist?
>>344769965
>DX12 and Vulkan are based on AMD's mantle.
>nfaggots think the industry will stay on ancient DX11 and openGL forever just to please them and their weak overpriced cards
>>344769754
Vulkan is based on Mantle, but DX12 is merely inspired by Mantle.
The difference is also that DX12 is locked to one OS, so I hope it won't catch on.
>>344769916
>everything in the future will run in accordance to AMD's will.
This is getting at ''THIS IS THE YEAR OF LINUX'' levels of delusion.
The industry has always been out to attack AMD in every single way.
>>344770106
>WOW, WHY WOULD THIS BUSINESS TO WHAT GIVES THEM MORE MONEY
Yes anon, the entire industry is going to drop their money-minded businesses to give you top notch in your GPUs that nobody buys.
>>344770027
we have a benchmark that works perfectly well, you simply choose to ignore it because it doesn't suit your opinion.
face the facts bro, it's over.
nvidia is over.
>>344770114
Vulkan and the D3D12 renders both use code directly copy/pasted from Mantle.Their programming manuals share word for word references.
>>344770114
>DirectX
>won't catch on
You are talking as if they didn't have the entire industry in their hands.
Not AMD nor Vulkan have any say in this entire industry that has been out to destroy them for years now.
Mantle was irrelevant, so will Vulkan.
>>344770223
But where are the videogames?
I wouldn't want to buy an AMD card and see that it has horrible performance in games like The Witcher 3.
Where's the videogame benchmarks?
I play videogames, not tools.
Where's the videogames?
Is the card out?
Yes?
Then where are they?
Why is everyone so afraid of posting 480 benchmarks?
Is AMD censoring people?
I just want an AIB card with a DVI port thats around 220 bucks.
Thats it.
>>344770223
>NVIDIA is over
>80% of Steam users have NVIDIA GPUs
>nobody is buying AMD CPUs since they are 4 years old and can't run any game properly
lol
>>344769325
I don't give a shit. Where is the game benchmarks? I not going to go to arms to defend AMD against mean campetitors, it's not my fucking job.
Exactly how much of a smelly, fat and handheldless virgin do you have to be to take part in graphics card company wars?
Man, Sapphire sure makes some sexy GPUs.
>>344770476
fucking this.
I have a 390 from sapphire and love the look but this 480 makes me wanting to change, just for the looks
>>344770223
Isn't the 970 the most popular discrete gc on steam?
>>344766530
You have a serious amount of growing up to do
>>344770114
>Vulkan is based on Mantle, but DX12 is merely inspired by Mantle.
dude, did you read the documentation? 90% of the function have the same name, just a different prefix like vk or d3d12
>>344770779
>being this butthurt when proven wrong for meme shitposting
>telling anyone to grow up
The irony
>>344769913
R9 295X2 didn't sell either, yet it exists.
>>344770712
DOTA 2 and CS:GO are the most played games on steam
meme players playing meme games on meme cards.
>>344770476
>Originally silver.
>What the fuck is that
>Change to black
>Thats one sexy motherfucker
Dammit Sapphire, they sure know how to make a nice cars
>>344770906
The R9 295X2 did in fact sell fairly well, but that was a halo product offering the highest performance on the market. Two Polaris 10 dies would not fit the same position.
>>344770712
What do you mean by discrete?
I think it is though.
>>344767794
>80c is fine
>especially when it's designed in such a way that it will blow right on your CPU
>>344771000
*Card
>>344768723
>SSAA
>favoring nvidia's arch
SSAA is not much different from raising your resolution. AMD cards tend to perform better at higher resolutions due to higher memory bandwidth
Now put 1+1 together.
AAAAAAAAAAAAA SHUT THE FUCK UP AMDKEKS
>>344769579
3.5 being the most mad?
>>344770902
I meant because you've been in this thread an hour and wasting your time defending a soon to be defunct company
That is some serious immaturity
>>344770782
>And what of these claims that Microsoft would have copied Mantle? There was even some claim that the documentation was mostly the same, with some screenshots of alleged documentation of both, and alleged similarities. Now that the final documentation is out, it is clear that the two are not all that similar at the API level. DX12 is still using a lightweight COM approach, where Mantle is a flat procedural approach. But most importantly, DX12 has some fundamental differences with Mantle. Such as the distinction between bundles and command lists. Mantle only has ‘command buffers’. Again, it looks like Mantle is just a simplified version, rather than Microsoft cloning Mantle.
>>344770985
Do you have actual autism? What the fick are you even saying?
>>344771060
Discrete an in not integrated gpu like intel iris pro.
>buy 1060
>1year later games run like ass
>ill just buy a second one
>can't sli 1060s
>buys a 1070 or 1080 instead
>still not instock
Nvidia cucks are ready to be cucked harder then ever.
![myspace-tom-i-am-the-guy-who-sold-myspace-for-580-million-while-you-slave-away-hoping-for-a-half-day-off[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/o7aligu.jpg "myspace-tom-i-am-the-guy-who-sold-myspace-for-580-million-while-you-slave-away-hoping-for-a-half-day-off[1]")
>>344766362
this guy
>>344766530
>From what it looks like Apple purchased all of the 90%+ dies.
why would apple need highest quality polaris chips?
>>344764107
Is that the Zohar?
>tfw i still remember when nvidia was capable of doing things right
I usually go with AMD GPUs since I like cost effective products, but I've just bought a 4k TV and the 1070/1080 are looking hella attractive right now. Would be nice if 4k was already viable without spending $500.
>>344771493
>buy 480
>all games run like ass since everyone is out to destroy AMD
>can't Crossfire any card since there's no games that give no issues with Crossfire
>>344771542
Apple is using Polaris 10 and 11 GPUs in a couple upcoming product lines.
>>344771587
>tfw I can't remember when AMD did anything right
>>344771157
you could try to go past 3.5 but it wont be as effective
>>344771626
>buy 1060
>all games run like shit because everything is either DX12 or Vulkan
>go on 4chan and shitpost about AMD instead
and not a single thing was different from today
>>344771702
>NO U!
nice
>>344771782
>buy 480
>games run like shit anyway since nobody has any reason to optimize for AMD and NVIDIA is paying everyone else
>>344771626
>>all games run like ass since everyone is out to destroy AMD
lolwut
did you not hear about the doom vulkun patch
20+fps gain overnight for free
>>344764107
i want to fuck that graphics card
>>344771881
Sorry, but I was promised the same with Mantle, and nobody gave a fuck, so no thanks.
>>344771879
> nobody has any reason to optimize for AMD
it's DX12 and vulkan, they don't need a reason, they're already forced to do it
stay outdated nFaggot
>>344763778
Found my new card.
![box_set_02_by_peterku-d6ct9t2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qSa2Tpn.jpg "box set 02 by peterku-d6ct9t2[1]")
>>344763778
What kind of projectiles does it fire?
>>344771971
Nobody except Microsoft and the OpenGL Development group
> hardware thread
> tfw I tried to install a new motherboard by myself two weeks ago and have been computerless ever since
This is fucking torture
>mfw my old ass AMD card is more prepared for DX12 than nFailia's unreleased cards
>>344771086
>especially when it's designed in such a way that it will blow right on your CPU
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>344772078
Phased plasma in the 150 watt range.
>>344771971
Mantle's whole point was to force Microsoft to implement technology that would benefit AMD's GPUs. It was never supposed to compete in long term, Vulkan will do that.
>>344772005
You think a company that only holds 20% of the market vs the 80% has any chance at being relevant?
I'm just waiting for these non-reference 480's to come out because I'm poor and $250 is the most I'm willing to spend. I'm debating about the STRIX though, but I don't know much when it comes to brands of GPU.
>>344772285
But Vulkan will not do that.
Nobody is going to bother working with new APIs, why would they?
What's in it for them?
>>344772296
>every new technology runs on their standards
>B-BUT THEY ARE NOT RELEVANT
fecking kek
if anything that only shows that 80% of people will need to buy a new card very soon.
>>344772456
Stop it
>>344772456
They are not, companies much bigger and much more powerful than AMD are in control of all of this.
You have no idea how businesses work, do you?
>>344772394
even if vulkan dies in two months, DX12 will be standard and will replace DX11, it's all mantle in the end, AMD always wins.
>>344772573
AMD has never won, and they'll never will.
NVIDIA and Intel will pay the right people to prevent all that from happening.
>>344772394
DX12 is a new API so they'd have to work with a new API regardless.
Also, there are more people with windows 7, 8, and xp combined than there are with windows 10. DX 12 only works on windows 10. If the dev works with DX 12, they're losing out on half of all windows installations.
>>344772569
>companies much bigger and much more powerful than AMD are in control of all of this
companies that use AMD's technology.
RIP in pieces nFaggia
>>344772359
Sapphire and XFX. Their RMA process is also probably the best for both out of all of em to. had my 6950 1gb die on me had a lifetime warrenty when they still offered it 5years ago. They sent me back a r7 370 4gb back.
>>344765283
The keyword being previous here. They blew the LAST high end gen the fuck out... pretty sure that always happens with the release of new stronger cards. It's a shitfest because they advertised it like it would have a place in this gen's high end when it doesn't. It literally does not compete with the 1070 and 1080, not because it's amd vs nvidia or some trivial bullshit like that... because it's as strong as those two cards. The 480 is a budget card that does GREAT budget work. That's it.
>>344772653
just like no one makes DX11 games because you can't run it on windows XP!
>>344771246
>I got BTFO with facts so I'm going to play the Get A Life card when I'm on 4chan of all places.
>>344771881
pls delet this.
>>344772684
thx m8
>>344772394
>What's in it for them?
Money from ms for using dx12
It will be forced. Nvidots will just have to deal with it
Nvidia is worth shit compared to ms
>>344772537
>P-PLEASE
>S-S-SSSTOP!
hahahahah
>>344763778
>goes on sale within the next week
>will be sold out for the next month
>>344772681
>companies that use AMD's technology.
And they will pay the right people to sabotage that technology.
You think good will alone can do a thing in an industry like this?
>>344772813
>he's so much of a fat virgin he thinks everyone else in here is too
lol, just lol
What did they mean by this?
>>344771086
>80c on a stock cooler
You don't have a stock cooler do you anon? Your PC isn't water cooled?
Anyone with a RX480, how good is it on The Witcher 3?
>>344773014
>And they will pay the right people to sabotage that technology.
I'd love to see nvidia trying to sabotage Microsoft.
i'd fucking pay to see them even try
>You think good will alone can do a thing in an industry like this?
You think good will alone can do a thing
"nShill.exe has stopped working"
>>344773076
Watercooling is only necessary for AMD cards since, for some reason, they get over 65º degrees, which is outrageous.
Then again, AMD doesn't have any money, so it's understandable.
>>344772869
>Money from ms for using dx12
M$ didn't have to pay anyone to use DX12. The documentation and support on VK is fucking trash and their git is damn near unreadable like they got some Chinese sweatshop to do it. Also if you have a problem and you aren't an AAA dev, hope you like waiting a month for a Kronos group rep getting back to you. Support fucking sucks. Sony's told everyone they don't plan VK support now or in the future and they will continue developing GNMX as well.
Oh and VK works on only 5% of mobiles in the market so brav-fuckin-o.
>>344773154
i can max it easy on a R9 290 so i don't see a reason for any of the new cards not to do it either.
unless you're talking about 4k, i have no idea about 4k
>>344773240
>I'd love to see nvidia trying to sabotage Microsoft.
No, they'll pay game developers, just like they've been doing for years now.
Both Intel and NVIDIA are big, much bigger than AMD could ever be, you think they are going to risk one of their biggest sources of income?
Of course not.
>>344773341
No, 1080p, heard it had issues on AMD cards.
Anything like stuttering or so?
If not, I'll get a 480 when the ones with proper coolers come out.
>>344773241
i was going to ask you if people don't overclock nvidia cards but then i remembered their drivers make them burn houses down on stock clocks.
>>344773360
so they'll pay game developers not to use DX12 or Vulkan?
damn nvidia is so fucking EPIC
Let's stop these autistic company wars for a moment, neckbeards.
Can someone explain to me why reference GPUs always have absolutely horrible cooling?
Seriously, why?
>>344773075
>Now it's time to resort to shitposting because I got BTFO
>>344773449
>heard it had issues on AMD cards.
it did in early versions because of the silly gimpworks from nvidia but that shit has all been fixed with game patches. That's why i tell everyone when they pirate Witcher 3 to pirate the latest drivers as well, lots of performance improvements for every card both amd and nvidia.
>>344773360
Even doom on vulkan shows amd gains
That's a nvidia gameworks game btw
MS will make forza, gow 4, scalebound, crackdown, halo etc and they can't be bought
Amd will have support in other games like Hitman etc. they're already working on deus ex. Sorry but nvidia can't do shit
>>344763778
>AMD card
>bad hardware
>have to undervolt card to avoid killing your motherboard
yeah no thanks. AMD stuff just categorically goes into the trash and isn't even considered for me. Because they keep reinforcing the idea that their shit belongs in the trash.
>>344773746
>Sorry but nvidia can't do shit
They've been owning the market since forever, and they still own it.
Brand fanboyism is much more powerful than quality.
I'm personally glad that AMD will never be relevant, honestly.
>>344773604
the companies will only spend money up to the point where things work, fancy cooling is a "luxury" by their standards, look at the coolers that come with CPUs, also the same.
>>344773746
I'm on a 10880.
I'm fine.
>>344773812
you're a bit outdated on the information there buddy.
the undervolting actually made the card faster and 3rd party cards won't have that issue at all because they use 8pin power connectors.
keep up with the news, granpa.
>>344773817
How do you feel about the fact that AMD is gaining market share?
>>344773812
>Nvidia does 3.5gb
>meme status
>amd accidentally kills off some retarded bitcoinminers mobo and then fixes it a few days later
>shill status
>>344773874
>10880
shiieeeet nigga dat's sum future shiet right there
>>344773968
there's something you're not noticing, and you even said it in your own post:
>>amd accidentally kills off some retarded bitcoinminers mobo and then fixes it a few days later
>fixes it a few days later
meanwhile where are your missing 512MB of vram?
>>344773965
Not at all according to Steam survey.
Has been stuck in the low 20's for years now.
>>344774176
nice of you to keep checking on that every day.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GOY!
Am I the only one pretending to be an NVIDIA and AMD fanboy just to stir shit up?
>>344773947
>the undervolting actually made the card faster
holy shit, the delusion.
>3rd party cards won't have that issue at all because they use 8pin power connectors.
we've been over this many times. you don't understand the first thing about electrical engineering. sorry.
>>344773968
yes, releasing a card that kills motherboards is about a thousand times worse than 3.5gb. not even sure how anyone can be confused about it.
>>344773604
Can't out perform and can't out price anyone else making the card or else they're really not happy.
>>344773817
If AMD was never relevant then the GTX 1080 would have costed atleast 1000 USD. It's a good thing that AMD exists not only because of competition, but also because they don't force people into using their exclusive propiaritary bullshit like gameworks and Gsync "pay us 100$ to do something your monitor cable can already do".
>>344774159
That's why I said shill status, as in nvidia shills parrot it even though it's a non issue now.
>>344774369
so you're just going into full denial instead of making any sense?
>>344765716
This has to be a meme, I've never had issues with the drivers.
>>344765145
High end is just wasted money, I'm never going to buy a hingh end card, I never understood why anyone does frankly, it doesn't seem like a smart investment.
>>344774369
>yes, releasing a card that kills motherboards is about a thousand times worse than 3.5gb.
Where I ever heard this before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRo-1VFMcbc
>>344774369
>holy shit, the delusion.
Again, Nvidiots show how little they know.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/231371-amds-new-catalyst-16-7-1-driver-fixes-radeon-rx-480-power-concerns
>>344774247
>HAHA HE CHECKS THAT HIS AFFIRMATIONS ARE TRUE
?
>>344774430
>Gsync "pay us 100$ to do something your monitor cable can already do".
you're outright wrong about that. i'm not sure how you think a monitor cable syncs refresh.
>>344774430
AMD doesn't gimp competitor cards because they don't have the power to do so.
>>344774430
>non issue now
when you bring the card to market with the issue, it says something about the quality of your company and the quality of your products.
so many of you seem to only be able to think in the present time and the way things are now...not think conceptually or on larger timescales.
sad.
>>344772726
>I can't read
>I'm a shit eating retard
Its the highest perf/dollar card on the market. Try to get that through your malformed retard brain.
>>344774901
>Issue
>literally no video that can proved that the card actually burn a mobo
>Meanwhile at Nvidia >>344774629
Sorry kid, the real world doesn't agreed with you.
>>344775120
>AMD cards literally destroy PCs
How come this company hasn't been sued to death?
>>344774816
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#1.2
>DisplayPort version 1.2a may optionally include VESA's Adaptive Sync.
It's literally a feature of DisplayPort, the Gsync module is literally unneeded and its why FreeSync monitors don't cost 100 dollars more for no reason.
>>344774901
See >>344774629, don't be hypocritical.
>>344774176
Nearly 30% as of Q1 2016. Steam hardware survey isn't all that accurate in the end.
>>344767646
I know that's where I'm gonna end up inevitably, but goddamn living with a toaster laptop for the past several years and not being able to play anything more demanding that Max Payne 2 is really getting to me, to the point where I'm considering a jump back into the master race. It's hard to appreciate what a good PC gives you unless you don't have one.
AMD being bad is a meme, really. If you're talking about CPUs, of course intel is better right now, but AMD is finally getting there on GPUs. Just need to make sure the airflow is good and it should be fine.
In terms of performance/price ratio, no fucking way nvidia beats AMD right now.
>>344776050
They'd best put out that 490 soon
>>344768023
These benchmarks were leaked as a Reviewer's Guide Book by Nvidia for reviewers.
>>344771702
>what is radeon 9700 pro
>what is 7xxx and 2xx series
>>344776050
>AMD is finally getting there on GPUs
The 7950 outperformed the GTX 660ti and matched the GTX 670.
The 7970 outperformed the GTX 680.
The R9 290 outperformed the GTX 780.
The R9 290X outperformed the GTX 780ti.
Prior to GCN Southern Islands a lot of VLIW5 and their VLIW4 GPUs were trashing Nvidia all over the place.
They aren't *finally* getting anywhere. Nvidia only has a small lead in perf/watt because they keep cutting back hardware features from their arch. It benefits gaming, but hurts most everything else.
>>344772175
>can't play adult lego
You deserved it.
>>344774629
>extremely overclocked hardware has an electrical fault
do you even understand what you are seeing?
i had a monitor burst into flames once btw individual electronic parts can have faults and there is nothing you can do about it
>>344775246
you have failed to understand what you read. it's an optional part of the specification, meaning monitor manufacturers would have to add extra hardware to support it, and they overwhelmingly did not.
>>344776782
yet drivers are still trash, drivers still eat a bunch of cpu, drivers still never get updated, multiple games a year still have AMD problems on launch.
pure compute numbers simply aren't all that matters. you guys sound like people who would drive around on go-karts and tell people that AC and doors aren't an issue.
>>344777186
>drivers meme
Sure thing, kid.
>>344769916
>80% market share
I can't decide if it's worth upgrading or not. My 7950 is still running games well after 3 years
>>344763778
>wccftech
i'll wait for another source
>>344765041
That driver is a shitty fix. It's still out of spec, but bias is toward 6 pin which isn't as bad.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1060-performance-benchmarks-leak/
uh oh
XD
>>344777405
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1033?vs=1059
RX 480 slightly out performs the R9 290X shown there. Pretty close to double the performance.
>>344777097
>“VESA has developed a test specification to certify Adaptive-Sync compliance. Systems that pass Adaptive-Sync compliance testing will be allowed to feature the official Adaptive-Sync logo on their packaging, informing consumers which DisplayPort-certified displays and video sources offer Adaptive-Sync.”
Is the average 4channer getting more retarded by the day? I swear people didn't used to be this fucking stupid.
>>344777648
>people actually thinking they will be able to buy one for less then 300$
When will we see HBM2 on mid-range 1070ish cards? The new titan will have it and the 490 will have it but my pockets aren't fat.
>>344777734
i'm not sure why you think the greentext you pasted is significant
a lot of you just google anything you think supports your point and blindly copypaste without evaluating what you've said at all.
>>344777823
*60 type cards are produced in multiples of *70 and *80 type cards.
where do I sign up to shill for a chip vendor? I can do it all day
>>344777903
http://www.vesa.org/news/vesa-adds-adaptive-sync-to-popular-displayport-video-standard/
>>344777862
never
not worth it, unless you go for 4k, but midrange chips cant into 4k either way
>>344777862
Not for a long time.
HBM stacks are expensive, and always will be due to complexity, and the glass interposer on the substrate will always have a flat cost. Its not going to be something you'll see on budget oriented parts for a couple years.
Besides, adding bandwidth does nothing unless the logic is there to utilize it.
>>344778078
yes, i know that was done. what I said two posts ago, which you failed to be able to intelligently evaluate, is that the support is *optional* and hence the technology *isn't supported by most monitors that have displayport*
you actually do not have the intelligence to evaluate this true, factual statement and just keep posting the same thing over and over and over.
you appear to be honestly stupid.
>>344765145
Make sure to order your 900$ 1080 founder edition!
Not a joke, they're literally 900 dollars lmao
>>344775246
It's literally an optional feature of DisplayPort 1.2a, so no, not every DP1.2 monitor can natively do A-sync. It still has to be enabled by the manufacturer. You're right that Nvidia's chip is mostly useless though.
5 YEARS OLD CARD.
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>>344778514
Now watch, as every important game engine developper decides to use DX12 instead.
>>344763778
Thought it was a spaceship from Halo.
>>344778215
>you have failed to understand what you read. it's an optional part of the specification, meaning monitor manufacturers would have to add extra hardware to support it, and they overwhelmingly did not.
Seems like you are the one who can't read then, because that post says something completely different. The argument was that you thought adaptive sync would require extra hardware which clearly isn't the case, but now you are twisting the argument because you can't handle losing.
>>344778397
Where in my original post did I say that every monitor would support it natively? All I said was that the cable itself supports it.
>>344778514
Great, now you can play Doom until you upgrade your card since nobody will care about Vulkan.
>>344778674
>Now watch, as every important game engine developper decides to use DX12 instead.
>DX12
>He doesn't know what Vulkan is
LMAO YOU JUST DIG YOUR OWN GRAVE.
>>344778725
Cables don't have a version, it's dependant on the port.
>>344778674
>use DX12
Anon, DX12 and Vulkan was made using AMD API.
>>344778887
Not sure what you're trying to say.
>>344778725
>All I said was that the cable itself supports it.
you post that smug, pretentious shit at the beginning of your post aimed at me, honestly don't know what you're talking about, and then finish with this zinger that shows you CLEARLY
DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
you were UNABLE TO EVALUATE DECLARATORY STATEMENTS AT FACE VALUE FROM THE SOURCE THAT YOU POSTED YOURSELF
>>344774559
Ok, cool. Some want to play on ultra with decent frames.
>>344778993
What is your point ? Is nvidia going to make it's own API that developper will start to use instead of going to the standards that are DX12 for Windows and Vulkan for everything else ?
>>344779002
While I do suck dicks, that's besides the point.
http://www.displayport.org/cables/how-to-choose-a-displayport-cable-and-not-get-a-bad-one/
>A standard DisplayPort cable is designed to work with any DisplayPort Source device, such as a PC or laptop, and any DisplayPort monitor. This means that a standard DisplayPort cable will work with the very first DisplayPort systems and displays introduced around five years ago, and they will continue to work with the newest and future systems and displays that support multi-stream and display resolutions up to 4K (Ultra HD) at 60Hz.
All cables support everything, but that's besides the point because you still need a monitor with A-sync enabled in the DP1.2a port.
>>344778725
> The argument was that you thought adaptive sync would require extra hardware which clearly isn't the case
Both g-sync (which uses proprietary stuff) and freesync (which uses adaptive sync) require specific scaler hardware to work.
>comparing a $200 GPU to a $300 GPU
Nvidia fans can't be this delusional. AMD has realeased a quality card which is affordable whilst Nvidia is about to release some rushed piece of shit which fanboys will defend, 6gb smfh.
>>344779436
So that's why a gsync monitor is 100 dollars more expensive than the same monitor but with Freesync instead?
>>344779432
Then replace cable with port.
>>344779206
No, since Nvidia already one of biggest company behind Vulkan, just like Intel, Google, ARM and Qualcomm.
I'm just that because DX12 and Vulkan was made using the same principle of AMD past API.
The only difference is that DX12 is locked to WIndows 10 and Vulkan is not, you can use it on all OSes from mobile, consoles or even PC and still works to hardware from five years ago.
>>344779671
>Then replace cable with port.
Fine, going back to your first post:
>Gsync "pay us 100$ to do something your monitor port can already do".
That's still wrong. Your monitor can't already do a-sync, and it never will if the manufacturer didn't enable the hardware to allow for it.
Do nvidiots even know any card they buy will lose a good part of their launch performance due to nvidia drivers fucking with them (probably intentionally) after a year or two? And theyre still screeching about amd driver memes. Amd has had better drivers for a while now.
>>344763778
So AMD went DVI-D only too? WTF!?
>>344779671
>So that's why a gsync monitor is 100 dollars more expensive than the same monitor but with Freesync instead?
Yes. Because nvidia's implementation is proprietary, there is only one manufacturer making and selling the scalers. Freesync, however, is based on an open standard (adaptive sync), and therefore has multiple manufacturers for the required scalers and lower prices.
So for freesync, you need
1. DP port that supports adaptive sync
2. Scaler in the monitor that supports freesync
>>344778674
>Now watch, as every important game engine developper decides to use DX12 instead.
That's even better for AMD, they don't need to compete with DX11 bullshittery.
>>344780063
Analog is the future, from the past.
>>344779976
That's just kepler. Fermi got better performance than AMD cards over the years.
>>344779206
>Is nvidia going to make it's own API that developper will start to use instead
Making a worldwide standardize barebone API is not cheap and take years to develop also multiple hardware companies to back you up so they will used your API.
But Nvidia still can compete with AMD using their Gameworks.
>>344780495
Isn't gameworks just bait graphics shit anyway?. Hairworks, other dumbshit that's possible on amd, just made to work better for Nvidia(FO4, JC2)?
>>344781012
doesn't matter
you get popular games to use it, you win
>>344781180
>you get popular games to use it, you win
Hardly any games use it though, It also wouldn't make any sense for most games to be nvidia optimized, because AMD owns all the consoles.
>>344781012
Its all start with the first Mirror's Edge Nvidia Physx.
>>344781279
Consoles version can just disable Gameworks middleware.
>>344780495
Nvidia can compete with AMD using their hardware. AMD could barely match a 2 year old graphics card that used a process node that was twice as big. AMD didn't price RX 480 at $200 out of the kindness of their hearts. They were forced to price it that low because of their abysmal market share.
>>344781180
>>344781381
Maybe, but unless it's a porn game that uses the hairshit, and physx for tits and ass cheeks, what the hell is the point?
>try out vulkan in doom
>go from 60-80 to 80-100
>up the graphics settings from medium to high
> it's still 80-100
>card is cooler than before
Vulkan is a miricle worker, i wish more games used this
>>344781868
Muh immersion and graphical fidelity.
>>344781396
But if they optimized for AMD they'd be able to hit closer to 1080p 60fps
>>344782027
If who optimized?
>>344781747
>AMD could barely match a 2 year old graphics card that used a process node that was twice as big
I hope you realize you just jump in a discussion about how an AMD five years old card just got massive 100% boost.
>>344782120
Any game dev
>>344771587
I remember having to go through two 8500GTs because the fans kept failing after a month.
>>344782257
They can't. Gameworks technology is proprietary stuff, the devs can implement it in their game but they can't look at the source code.
>>344782215
Has anyone else confirmed those results?
>>344771702
2002 Athlon Series?
How old are you kid?
>>344782215
It's over, Nvidia is finnish!
>>344765627Number 1: That's terror
Number 2: that's terror
>>344771086
>>344767403
you're embarrassing yourself newfriend
>>344782215
Not seeing any 5 year old cards there.
>>344765145
pretty much this. I love how all the triggered fuccbois replied. lol
>>344782367
Here R9 390 in Nightmare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG55YncAQ5c
>>344782714
Look up you dofus.
>>344782994
Still not seeing it.
>tfw bought a Nitro 390X for $250 CAD ($190)
Feels good desu, came with that new Warhammer so I'll try and sell the key.
>>344768023
>1060 can't even run rise of the tomb raider at 60 fps
What a time to be alive...
>>344768023
>A card that costs 1.5* more performs better
You don't say.
>>344783730
$10 more.
>>344768023
>>344783730
>>344783535
>Replying to a post with no source
>The source was a site scanning a leaked chart from NVIDIA REVIEWERS GUIDE BOOK
>960 magically gained FPS in that chart.
Do your research peasants.
>>344784352
Hi there!
You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have compared results from one site to another, but you did not make sure the testing methodologies were the same! Whoops! You should always remember to make sure that the hardware configurations, graphical settings and testing locations between the two benchmarks match before drawing comparisons between them! The results between two benchmarks using different graphical settings can cause very large difference. You should always avoid trying to compare the results of different benchmarks when you're not sure about the testing methodologies!
Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to game benchmarking!
>>344783430
>buying used cards
I know Nvidia purposely gimp their older cards with new driver updates, but what about BIOS updates?
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/R8KnHN
R8 my budget build.
>>344784870
Sort of
They mostly drop driver support in general only focusing on the new series. So new drivers can fuck older cards up
In addition they mainly use gameworks to fuck up older cards which is integrated in the game itself. Amd has taken counter measures which is why some of their older cards like the 200 series shits on the 700 series now.
However the 700 series users are defenseless and are at the mercy of nvidia. They asked for a simple tessellation slider and were outright ignored.
>>344784352
>960 can't even run tomb raider at 20 fps
what a time to be alive...
>>344784550
>but you did not make sure the testing methodologies were the same!
That's the point numb nuts :^)
On the left was review from weeks ago from an old released card, on the right was a test from a leaked chink site.
Woop, suddenly old Nvidia card got a boost while the newly tested AMD card got low FPS on Directx 12 test.
>>344778674
The only ones using DX12 are only microsoft games so far.
Vulcan is doing a really good job so far replacing OpenGL
>OpenGL
>Horrible perfomance
>2 cores not being used in a 8core CPU
>Vulcan
>Load evenly spread across the CPU and GPU
>Just werks
>>344763778
>>344764107
Why do PCfags care about the look of a graphics card when they won't see it because it's in a case?
>>344784850
Manufacturer refurbished actually, nigger. It was a 3 day sale but it's essentially a brand new card, they called it refurbished but it was just extra stock they were clearing out.
>>344776782
this is the thing. i bought r9 290 two years ago, when nvidias equivalent was 780
now i can still run most of the games at 1440p on high/max, while 780 is gimped to shit and forgoten
but people still bitch about early "whatshissource" benchmarks
>>344786147
Some cases have windows tard, not that asthetics have ever mattered
>>344786147
Affects cooling.
>>344763778
dual bios!
Sweet.
>>344786147
Parts always run better when they look cooler.
Why do you think LEDs are so popular? I go all red for the extra performance.
>>344785851
>The only ones using DX12 are only microsoft games so far.
That's wrong. Just off the top of my head there's Tomb Raider, Deus Ex, and that indi dinosaur game. Also Battlefield 1 and Watch Dogs 2 will have it. I think you can expect every Frostbite game moving forward with support.
>>344786398
>>344785851
Don't forget, Emulator got almost over 50% and better compability with Directx12.
Now since Vulkan already out, we hope they start making a port too so you are not limited to one OSes or machines.
And beside, that's the real philosophy behind Vulkan, to removed the boundaries between hardware and OSes.
>>344785532
The problem you made here was using 2 GB 960. Nvidia never stated that they used a 2 GB 960 in their tests.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Rise-of-the-Tomb-Raider-Spiel-54451/Specials/Grafikkarten-Benchmarks-1184288/
Pretty large performance gains with the 4 GB version.
>>344773654
AMD-KUN
Hi /v/, im planning my first build and cant decide if I should wait a month for the non reference 480s or go ahead and pick up a 960ti for around the same price
>>344787415
480 is more powerful than the 960.
>>344786837
>http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Rise-of-the-Tomb-Raider-Spiel-54451/Specials/Grafikkarten-Benchmarks-1184288/
>Using Nvida HBAO+ the 4GB 960 got 30fps
>AMD 390 got 33fps
>Not even AMD Fury got 60fps
>>344784352
>Meanwhile the 1060 test claim they used only SSAA
>480 that was from 60fps drop to 40fps while the 960 stuck at 30fps
>the same when result happen when they used HBAO+
Yup, not rigged at all.
>>344787601
Not seeing the problem here.
4 GB gets around 30 fps in pcgh benchmark. Aftermarket 970 gets around 44 fps.
Guru3d bench shows reference 970 getting same performance as rx 480. Anandtech does this too. TPU is one of the few sites showing a difference for some reason.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_r9_rx_480_8gb_review,10.html
If we take these rx 480 = reference 970 back to the pcgh benchmark, rx 480 would land a few fps lower than 44 fps.
Now we have a 960 at ~30 fps, and rx 480 at slightly lower than 44 fps, which corresponds with the nvidia benchmark perfectly.
>They fell for the AMD meme
Getting an 1180 next year
Enjoy being left behind AMD fags.
>>344788229
>rx 480 would land a few fps lower than 44 fps.
So you comparing an old benchmark where the rx 480 still doesn't exist with a new benchmark where 480 exist and gain actual 60fps?
And then you used that old non-exist rx 480 chart, compare it with the new Nvidia 1060.
Using a fucking 4 months old chart to where their competitor card doesn't exist.
That's fucking brilliant Idea, Nvidia marketing team are fucking genius.
>>344789336
Feel free to point out why the numbers wouldn't add up.
>>344789531
>4 months ago no 480 exist so no real number can't be showed
>now 480 did exist and got literally average 60fps on most reviewers test in 1080p DX12 RotR game.
>But OH NO! since the 970 new reviews also showed the same 60fps lets compare it with a test from 4 months ago where 970 showed a 44fps result.
>Our new 1060 card vs non-exist 480 but we brand it with 44fps score, since you know *chuckle* 4 months ago 970 did got 44fps.
>Despite in that last 4 months both cards already got new drivers and the game also got updates.
its Genius, I tell you.
I meant, why bother compare the current result where rx 480 driver also came out.
Lets spice it more with a chart where our competitor card doesn't exist.
>>344787415
Wait a month for sure
>>344790156
>http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Rise-of-the-Tomb-Raider-Spiel-54451/Specials/Grafikkarten-Benchmarks-1184288/
>02.02.2016 um 18:05 Uhr
>http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_r9_rx_480_8gb_review,10.html
>: 06/29/2016 03:00 PM
In case you didn't notice
>>344790156
Oh, you're still stuck on this level of dumbness.
>4 months ago no 480 exist so no real number can't be showed
Indeed, it's unfortunate. Most reviews don't use a 4 GB 960 after all, so we need to use that one.
>now 480 did exist and got literally average 60fps on most reviewers test in 1080p DX12 RotR game.
This is pretty irrelevant. See >>344784550 . Different settings, etc.
>But OH NO! since the 970 new reviews also showed the same 60fps lets compare it with a test from 4 months ago where 970 showed a 44fps result.
See above.
>Our new 1060 card vs non-exist 480 but we brand it with 44fps score, since you know *chuckle* 4 months ago 970 did got 44fps.
See above.
>Despite in that last 4 months both cards already got new drivers and the game also got updates.
Can you show that 970 has gotten significant performance increases in the game?
>I meant, why bother compare the current result where rx 480 driver also came out.
See response to first quote.
>>344790571
>Can you show that 970 has gotten significant performance increases in the game?
Forgot the other half of this.
Can you show that 970 has gotten significant performance increases in the game while 960 hasn't? The performance delta is the only important part here really.
>>344763778
>1060 is kill
No, it's not. This is the "480 will beat the 1070" episode all over again. Don't get too excited.
Sapphire is trash barely above xfx quality and only 2 year warranty. Also looks ass (like a typical child design, dark boring over-designed straight edged pattern), grow up.
>>344791059
Kill yourself, please, you're not even trying.
>>344763778
oh shit a partner card beating reference?
>It's a "pc cucks argue why their $200 piece of plastic is better than the other" thread
>>344790571
>This is pretty irrelevant. See >>344784550 . Different settings, etc.
And you saying this while showing a fucking benchmark from four months ago.
What a poetry.
>>344790662
Can YOU showed me that rx 480 can go lower than 45fps using only 1080p DX12 SSAO instead of HBAO+ from last two months?
Pic related.
>>344771760
kek
>>344765041
>>344777628
Isnt it also undervolted ?
>>344763778
Card looks nice and all but the feature that I'm most excited for is the fan warranty system even though I'll hopefully never use it.. Although it does make me wonder why someone hasn't done this until now.
When will AMDboys kill themselves?
>>344770386
No one buys Nvidia CPU products either kek
>>344771086
Yet you dont say anything about the $699+ 1080 hitting the same temps on reference card also
>>344792128
when you nvidicucks stop damage controlling everything and just admit that for once AMD GPUs deliver a fair performance for the price, unlike your beloved company.
>>344771086
Blower coolers exhaust air out the back of the case.
>>344792673
(you)
>>344791567
You don't get it, do you? All you can say is 4 months ago, 4 months ago, when it's not even that relevant. I'm not sure how I can say this shit more simply.
Let's try.
First off, completely ignore the 2 GB 960. Imagine it doesn't exist.
Several benchmarks put RX 480 and 970 at the same performance level. The actual frame rate here is not particularly relevant. It could be 70, 60, whatever. This is from very recent benchmarks.
Now, let's go to the benchmark with our 4 GB 960, and make the assumption that RX 480 performance equals the 970 performance here as well. Now, it doesn't matter if 970 has gained performance within these 4 months, as long as the performance increase hasn't been limited to 970 only. Why not?
Let's first consider a scenario with no performance increase. 4 GB 960 is at 30 FPS, 970 is at 44 FPS. We can insert our RX 480 at 44 FPS as well, based on our observations previously. These numbers are in line with the nvidia numbers as is. No problems so far.
Then a scenario where there has been a performance increase. Let's make it as big as 50%. 4 GB 960 rises to 45 fps, 970 rises to 66 FPS, and we can still put RX 480 at 970's numbers, because we've seen that they equal them at the moment. So we have 960 at 45 fps, RX 480 at 66 fps. These numbers differ from the nvidia numbers, but is this a problem? No, because at this point we can assume that the smaller numbers in the nvidia benchmarks are due to more demanding settings. After removing 33% from both results due to more demanding settings that hypothetically affect both cards similarly, we are back at our 30 fps and 44 fps that match with nvidia numbers.
The performance increases are utterly irrelevant as long as they affect 970 and 960 equally, and there is no reason to believe that they don't.
If you want to complain, pick out the exact point that you think is wrong, and properly explain yourself, because I'm not going to explain this shit to you 10 times.
>>344782714
>what is 7970/7950
>>344793273
Both released in 2012 ;^)
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