Now that the dustbowl has settled, can we all agree that the movement speed buff for Spy was a mistake?
>>344734459
But they made your backs so tiny. Now i can't get anything besides butter knifes. I need that speed.
>making one of the weakest classes stronger
>"mistake"
>Spy is now faster than Sniper and Pyro
>and 30% faster than the Heavy
>>344734975
Yes, and? All three classes can murder him in seconds. If he can't at least get to the front lines to sabotage them, what's even the point?
>Pyro is still complete garbage
>>344735120
That's a pretty nice looking creamsicle to be honest with you..
>>344735120
Support Team Pyro.
>>344734459
It works since he is an ambusher, though I feel like, if anything, he should only get a (slightly larger) speed buff after a successful backstab.
Though that feels more like a weapon function, really. (the sort I'd assign to the conniver's kunai)
>>344735120
>update is all about promising buffs for Pyro and Heavy in the future
>Pyro cannot reliably kill spies, which he is supposed to be a hard counter to, as of THE VERY SAME UPDATE
>>344735249
Depending on whose writing Thor, he probably finds the Creamsicle one of the wonderful things that keeps him coming back to Midgard.
>>344735270
Big Earner already does that since Gun Mettle.
>>344735408
Valve just doesn't want to put in the effort to rebalance both Heavy and Pyro and they'd rather do Heavy but are willing to humor Pyro players and make up a fake contest.
What you've mentioned is part of why I feel like pyro needs the rebalance more. At the moment, everything that makes Pyro special is the ability to airblast and whatever they had wanted pyro to be has been kind of lost in the shuffle of new weapons and updates, so I think Valve needs to take a long hard look at pyro and ask "okay, what does pyro do?"
>>344735106
Just about all classes can murder eachother in seconds in the right circumstances. They're not even terrible specific circumstances besides just catching someone with their pants down which is Spy's MO.
>>344735871
They stated that both will receive their own big update with new weapons and rebalancing.
The contest is over who gets it first. And since this is Valve, the difference in time could be over a year between the updates.
>>344736016
I still lean toward pyro then because Heavy doesn't feel like he's in a bad spot. Maybe I just haven't played him too much enough but it honestly feels like when you play a heavy, you know what you need to do, you have multiple means of accomplishing this, and what will help you.
For a pyro just feels he's contributing less to a team than a sniper unless he's just airblasting.
>>344736385
Oh, well obviously Pyro needs it more.
I'm just stating the facts that both will get an update.
>>344736552
>Pyro just fucking kidnapped someone's puppy from a vet's office
Where can I find a list of all these recent changes?
>>344737253
Nowhere. Secret valve only insider patch notes. Totally not on the tf2 website or wiki.
In casual everyone wants at least half the team heavies lol.
newongoing seriescomic when?
>>344735408
>>344735871
i have their update ready right here
>fix bugs listed in www.frompyrowithlove.com
Most of the bugs with Pyro punish players who have good reaction times and good ping, but don't affect bad players that much.
>possibly change the way the Flamethrower particles work
Maybe replace the particles with hitscan, or with a jiggleboned cone object.
>lengthen and narrow the Flamethrower cone (pic related)
More range will help players who can aim better, a narrower cone will make it harder to aim.
>Reduce the duration of Spy's cloak flickering from 0.5 seconds to 0.25 seconds, while also removing the hidden "reduced duration of DoTs while in cloak" statistic from Spy which was added in Gun Mettle
Pretty much every class can spycheck, despite it being Pyro's job. This change to Spy will make everyone else a little worse at killing invisible Spies, and make Pyros more effective at it.
>Buff Flamethrower afterburn from 3 damage per tick to 4 damage per tick (from 60 total to 80 total)
Pyro's the only DoT class, that's its niche, yet afterburn is weak and easily countered. https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Fire#Surviving_fire
>Give the Backburner 60% self-damage reduction
It'll be like Gunboats for Pyro, making Detonator jumping and reflect jumping have an actually viable health cost. This will add a skilled way for Pyro to get in range to attack enemies.
>Return Axtinguisher to its pre-Tough Break form
Before it was a nice way for skilled Pyros to put out extra damage by flanking like Spies. Now, it's easier to execute, but does shit damage.
Anyway, that's how I lost my medical license.
>>344735249
They don't sell raspberry creamsicles anymore. Just orange.
I like orange but I fucking loved raspberry.
>>344738849
Horizontal randomness between the hitboxes doesn't matter at all. The only issue is the randomness to their decay time.
>>344738798
Never. Artist wanted to do an actual series but Valve doesn't make shit anymore, so he fucked off.
>>344739872
Do you have a link to the artist saying anything like that?
>>344738849
This is just fan speculation or hope, isn't it?
>tfw valve's actual update will be to remove afterburn altogether
>Take away airblasting
>lower pyro's speed
>all flamethrowers become incapable of random crits
>I just want to relax and play a normal game
>casual is way too tryhard, short as fuck and shit keep connecting me to shit with low ping
>community are way to fucking casual, shit ton of ""FUN"" mods, ear cancer, etc etc etc etc
>>344734459
I wouldn't know, I've barely been able to play the game with this dumb MM bullshit
>>344734459
The spy buff was one of the few justified balance changes in the update.
Remember that Valve will now balance TF2 around 6v6. Spy was severely underused compared to sniper.
>>344739938
Everything you posted is good stuff, why are you complaining?
>>344739757
The image is horizontal because that's the only one I could find, just pretend it's from a vertical perspective instead (considering in a cone it would look the same horizontally as it did vertically)
>>344734737
Did they actually make the backstab angle smaller or is this guy just making shit up?
If you don't like it, stop playing TF2. Anyone with sense and taste stopped years ago.
>>344740312
I dunno, the "all medi-guns now allow medic to match target speed" is pretty good.
Downside is... What's the point of the quick-fix?
>>344740348
Go to sleep, Robin Walker. We all know you want TF2 to just be soldier fortress.
>>344740107
>short as fuck
KOTH and CP have the exact opposite problem. Who thought best 3/5 was a good idea for ANY kind of standard mode?
>>344740610
>Downside is... What's the point of the quick-fix?
That rocket jumping still makes it the best medi-gun?
>add in competitive matchmaking
>unless you want to play with small teams, you still have to deal with random crits
>>344740610
>I dunno, the "all medi-guns now allow medic to match target speed" is pretty good.
I really would disagree with that. This change is an inderect buff to scout, making him even more OP. The quick-fix speed buff should've been removed altogether rather than added to all mediguns.
>>344734459
But spy still needs to be buffed, anyone calling him OP is just a pub shitter.
>>344740610
>nerfing pyro
>a bad thing
>>344740461
The vertical randomness is fine too. It is the time the hitbox takes to decay that results in range, which is the thing that shouldn't be random.
>>344740797
>pub
>>344740610
>Downside is... What's the point of the quick-fix?
Being able to keep 12 people topped up all the time? Being able to rocket jump out of danger?
>>344740841
There's no way to argue against incredulous greentext because it isn't an argument, so I'll just leave you with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIo4MCO-_U
>valve wanted to buff the reserve shooter
>>344740783
>figure casual mode would be like pubs but people actually try to win
>...
>my team has three scouts on defense and then 3 snipers on offense
I feel like every new "official mode" could do with class limits tbqh
>>344741081
>Being able to keep 12 people topped up
Look up healing mechanics and you'd see that this isn't feasible still.
>Rocket jump out of danger
This is a fantastic selling point of the Quick Fix if you have a friend to play with.
>>344735120
Are Thor comics actually funny or is it the same old hero shit?
>>344743102
>Look up healing mechanics and you'd see that this isn't feasible still.
I didn't mean literally 12 people all hurt standing in front of you but it would be significantly easier when playing as the only medic in a 12 person pub team, which is almost always the case. If you spread around crit heals properly that healing advantage quadruples and can make your life a lot easier. If I take stock medigun what almost always ends up happening is I'll have 6 people around me at all times screaming for heals and each person I top up walks into choke alone and gets annihilated over and over.
>can bring idle accounts into a lobby
>idle "players" congest team
>votekick disabled
>people ragequit but nobody replaces them
>pic related happens
:-)
>>344744206
Are you playing on a calculator?
>>344744327
It's so I can have multiple instances of TF2 running on the same computer without crashing
>>344744206
same thing can be done in csgo
>>344744451
let me add that it's more fun in csgo because then eventually people will start teamkilling you and put themselves on matchmaking cooldown
>>344744451
>>344744631
I did not know that you could do that in CS:GO
Big difference here is that my team will respawn to a hail of gunfire and rockets over and over again because I'm holding the door open for the enemy team, who can't see me doing it.
