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Seek clarification, anda way out!
why are all the faces so stiff and terrible?
>>344683158
its a 3DS game
Who did you think was most likely to be Zero before D-end 2?
Daily reminder that you can skip VLR since nothing in that game is relevant anymore and all the info you get there are retconned or are pointless
Don't you think?
>>344683573
Is VLR the shaggy dog story or is it ZTD?
>>344683573
then you wouldn't know kyle is gab
>>344683469
I still thought it was going to beBrotherI wasn't wrong, but it still bothers me.
>>344683589
But what if the snail is of an incredibly rare species that makes it worth gazillions?
>>344683801
>Gab is a shaggy dog
>Zero shoots Gab at the end
>the shaggy dog was pointless
>>344683573
That's probably my biggest gripe with ZTD.
ETA on VLR PC port?
Not buying a 3ds to play this series tbqh
Sup senpai, you won't mind if I borrow some of those watches? Thanks bros.
Life is simply unfair, don't you think? All because of a single solitary snail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHCxdlZ7G18
>>344684254
Gab was a shifter, look forward to his adventures with Kyle and Blick Winkel in ZE4
>>344684584
No word on it yet but you could just emulate 999 in the meantime. It'll probably come out sometime after the 999 remaster, which we don't even have a date for yet, so it could be a while.
I want to impregnate Phi and take responsibility
>>344682789
Fuck, after I assumed that there'd never be a lewd of Carlos besides the wet shirt one, another one appears and...yup, it's for the goddamned "force feeding" fetish.
I'm getting war flashbacks to all the awful Zero III porn of VLR...
You have 10 seconds to explain why Eric isn't your favorite, no bullshitting please.
SoDelta being in the wheelchair and conveniently not acknowledged until he was pointed out by Sean those two times really confused me.Does that mean he was actually there the whole time and just wasn't acknowledged by Q team because he was basically a vegetable and just happened to be conveniently out of frame or what? And he was the "Q" Zero referred to this whole time and not Sean?
>>344686181
you got it! hooray!
>>344686181
Yes, more or less.
>>344686174
Because Carlos and Sigma Exist
>best plan for a guy with incredible resources is to destroy the planet and turn it in such a mess that even 45 years later people still have to scavenge for trash and majority of kids don't even have a mom and a beer root floats is treated as an urban legend
>>344686701
Reminded me of the Watchmen.
>>344686456
It really is a perfect twist released to a flawed audience
>>344686675
i did the pantry fragment last for c team and it made me so mad they kept saying the arms were fake even when they were holding them and all the other fragments spoiled the pantry end for me
>>344686701
The root beer float / cream soda shit always bothered me.
>Soft drinks more expensive than liquor
I know that's one of the more ridiculous things in the game to complain about, but come on.
>>344686812
Ozy only destroyed New York and he had less resources than Delta
>>344686813
I wouldn't say it was perfect since it does require some pretty dirty tricks like Q team conveniently never saying Sean's name with 2 very subtle exceptions before the reveal, but I did appreciate all the foreshadowing.
>>344686174
Go away, Uchikoshi.
>replay 999 and VLR
>reread everything
>it all probably made my experience worse playing this
:(
>>344686983
He could've meant the movie version, in which Oz caused a bit more havoc than just New York.
>>344686901
>I don't know how things works
It's a thousand times easier to let some barley rot into alcohol than it is to bottle carbonated water
The poses in this game are pretty, uh, interesting...
>>344687385
Pretend this game never happened anon. 999 and VLR are amazing in a vaccuum.
Which reminds me of Remember11. People said Remember11's ending sucks and it brings the game down a lot. But I think the game is awesome and the twists are really good. The fact that the game never truly got finished is a shame, but even without it the plot is still interesting. Leaving it open ended was fine with me. So just enjoy VLR like that; an open ended game without a true ending.
I'd like to think that the reason Delta is offscreen the whole time is that you are Delta the whole time before the reveal, using the glasses to see through cameras. There is no reason to have yourself in focus, right?
It was still out of the blue when I first played it, though.
>>344687847
> filename
Now draw it in.
>phi was named after herself and was raised by an alternate version of herself
wew
>>344687385
Same here, brother. Maybe I'm stupid for expecting so many thing to wrapped up perfectly into a bow in one game, but I just felt let down overall when it didn't meet my expectations.Which were made very high due to VLR setting the stage for something brilliant.
>>344688428
I had mixed feelings about it but I'm glad the clues were numerous enough for them to pile up and subtle enough that I didn't dwell on them long enough to connect the dots. I got Perceptive End early and it was a huge mind fuck.
>>344687918
>So just enjoy VLR like that; an open ended game without a true ending.
It's funny you say that, because personally I was (and still technically am) bummed by VLR. Not only did I find its story escalation unnecessarily high for a sequel (for a story I'd argue that didn't necessarily need continuation), it also left me with an ending that did not feel satisfying in the least.
As such I bought ZTD just to see if it would make VLR's existence worth it for me, but as it turns out it didn't.
>>344687918
R11 is fantastic. I'll never understand why people dislike it, but praise games kite DR, S;G, and seacats.
>>344688428
Yes, he also mindhacked Eric and Mira to never call Sean by his name because uh, Sean is an awful name.
I really wanted to end up liking Eric, hoping he would get some redeeming qualities.
But jesus, ever other Q Team route just makes me want him to die.
>>344689410
true ending eric did nothing wrong
>>344688685
>and was raised by an alternate version of herself
[Explanation Requested]
>>344689746
Phi was sent back to 1900s via the transporter. German scientists tried the transporter, sending the 1900s version to 2008. The 1900s version lived long enough to adopt and raise the 2008 version.
>>344689746
phi said she was raised by an old researcher couple who found her in the transporter and the "other phi" file said original phi lived into her 100s as a researcher in america working with the transporter so it's only implied.
>>344689410
t. damn brat
Was anyone else disappointed that they never played the original version of Morphogentic Sorrow?
The remix was fine and all, but I was expecting them to play it near the end. Would have been a perfect oppurtunity.
Then...C-End 1 + D-End 1 leads to the VLR timelineand then the D-End 1 leads to the VLR End or Beginning ending
>>344688880
Same here. I couldn't figure out how to get that fourth stand-off ending and after learning of "Delta" (and assuming that was Zero's identity) I was intending to say that they should kill Zero.
Nope.
>>344685774
she's terrible at givinghead
>>344690261
I genuinely thought Sean was Delta somehow, and the robot thing was only in another timeline so I held off going through the door since it seemed like it would obviously get me the last ending for the stand off. I was expecting him to bypass the "cannot commit suicide" thing and somehow turn the bow on himself and some exposition with one of the codes for the boxes. I did not fucking expect what actually happened. Probably the most memorable experience in the game for me.
>>344689330
say that to Sean Connery you little bitch
>>344686701
It's pretty obvious that he doesn't care about others. He just wanted his plan to go through and doesn't care about causalities.
>walk into an ice cream shop after a long day of murder
>this man becomes obsessed with you
What do
>>344683573
Stop lying, the only skippable thing is the "Another Time" epilogue.
>>344687918
ZTD is literally the Remember11 of the ZE series.
VLR was disappointing by itself, more so than ZTD, it's just such a huge leap in themes from 999.
>>344688960
S;G is pretty great and self contained, it has a satisfying ending and likable characters. Seacats is praised a lot but the general consensus is that R07 fucked up the last arcs because "muh depression".
I'll never understand DR's popularity.
>>344683573
yeah but it's leaps and bounds ahead of ZTD so I'd say you should just skip the last game and pretend you got an actual ending
>Akane wasn't behind it again.
I'm disappointed.
I VLR and ZTD, and more than 999 too.
AMA
>>344692737
Edit of this with a red earth on the second panel when
>>344692737
what did you mean to say?
>>344682789
Probably old news but did anyone read this interview with Uchi?
http://www.geekster.be/games/kotaro-uchikoshi-creator-the-zero-escape-series-interview/
>>344692889
That I like both VLR and ZTD, and in fact think they are better than 999.
I'll be holding an interview for all your burning questions.
I wish the game hadn't brought back characters from past games, I liked the new characters more in this one but it never really went anywhere with them. The focus was spread too thin, and the game was shorter to boot, it almost felt like it ended before it really began.
>>344687847
A bunch of spacetime travelers explaining themselves to a mad dumb man with a shotgun.
Priceless.
>>344692942
why did old phi let delta become a ruseman?
>>344693225
She didn't fug him
Delta is actually a siscon and also Carlos from another timeline
>>344692737
>>344693109
Honestly, I feel the same way, I never thought ZE had very good writing to begin with so while ZTD was dumb, it was dumb in an entertaining way, while 999 only had its atmosphere, sprites, and being somewhat grounded going for it since I never cared about a single character by the end and it wasn't even the fun kind of dumb.
How the fuck does Delta expect them to find the one dude just because they're motivated now that he told them about it. How did any of the shit in the shelter help that goal?
Why did Uchi resort to a dumb paradox of Delta ensuring his own creation?
>>344692332
Study him, because he seems to have an interesting heart,to gouge out.
>>344693225
They weren't raised together.
Old Phi was off by another family.
Delta was raised by a family that had a child whom he loved like a brother.
>>344693225
>Phi, my sister
>Help me kidnap some people so I can MINDHACK THEM
>Dangit you dirty old codger
>I'm trying to raise my millennial clone
>Your bologna is all whacked to heck
>>344693645
>How the fuck does Delta expect them to find the one dude just because they're motivated now that he told them about it. How did any of the shit in the shelter help that goal?
Probably that they can now shift and keep their memories, which is something only Sigma and Phi could do before.
>Why did Uchi resort to a dumb paradox of Delta ensuring his own creation?
This is literally the same paradox present in 999 and VLR, so if you thought that was dumb, then the whole series is dumb.
>>344692291
Then why bother trying to save the world? Self preservation? He obviously doesn't have that instinct.
>phi is about to be burnt to a crisp in the incinerator
>spend five minutes groping sigma in the chair
>>344692349
it's not a lie, all the stuff in that game is pointless
>Brother
>totally different character with different motivations
>all the info given by Alice and Dio was wrong
>all the information about the Mars experiment
>retconned, changed
>SOIS
>retconned
>Junpei location during the mars experiment
>retconned
>SOIS attacking the Fts HQ
>retconned
>all the lion bullshit
>dropped
>Kyle
>irrelevant
>all the stuff about Rad-6
>irrelevant
>how esper works
>changed
and the list goes on
>>344695175
Glad I wasn't the only one who tried to do what characters would realistically do in that situation.
>>344695175
>she holds his hand
CUTE
>>344695672
The only thing even remotely correct on that list is Kyle
>>344696031
I suggest you actually replay the game
Why didn't Akane come back for them in the twins timeline? Didn't Zero say he doesn't erase the memories after the x door is opened?
>>344696243
He's right though.
>>344696348
She probably killed herself or is just a bitch.
>>344696348
Akane is kind of a bitch
>>344696031
>>344696392
>le you are wrong xD
Nice arguments
>>344692950
> This is my personal opinion, but I think other countries overreact to sexuality. Japanese men are often labeled as perverts and hentai (myself included), but the rate of sexual crimes in Japan is amongst the lowest in the world. I understand that this is partially because many crimes go unreported, but even so the number is very low. According to a report by Nation Master, the rate of sexual crimes is 1 in 100,000 people, ranked 105th out of 119 countries.
>There are various factors for the low rate, but some theories owe it to Japan’s acceptance of sexual media. If you can satisfy your needs via fantasy, you don’t need to act them out the real world. Of course I’m not saying you can get away with anything so long as it’s fiction. But if something has an evident, ideological reason, (think of Kubrick’s Eyes Wide Shut), this freedom of expression should be protected.
He knows what's up.
>>344696794
>but some theories owe it to Japan’s acceptance of sexual media.
Accepted but totally ruined by censorship
>>344692737
glad to see the memes are still flowing
>>344686174
Because MIND HACKS
>>344696794
And still he changed ZTD into telltale cinematic shit, because "players don't like reading"
Even though the previous 2 games were long VN format
>>344682789
Why didn't they just sit behind the suit of armor guys instead of the bar?
Not trying to pull a "gotcha" on the game, just trying to understand how Akane works:
In the prologue, she tells Sigma she only gets bits and pieces of info from her future self, right? But Uchikoshi says she's looked down a zillion different timelines and can SHIFT, and she basically livestreamed the whole Nonary Game to Junpei in 999 when she was just a kid. So why is her connection with her future self so limited?
>>344696794
Obviously I'm not an expert on the subject, but it seems to me that a fuck ton of that shit isn't reported. Women are expected to just roll with it when they get touched on trains.
>>344697794
He could easily have used the transporter to mind hack the snail.
>>344697836
Pretty sure that explanation was just a cover, the real reason was to make the twist work.
>>344697794
If MIND HACKS were substituted with the player's presence/influence being acknowledged by the game, I'd have liked it so much better.
>>344698234
That only makes it worse as the twist was nothing to write home about
>>344698129
Because the plot required so
>>344698125
>three guns
>three people
>one person hides behind each gun
>the guns all shoot each other
>Escape!
wtf uchi is a hack
>>344698494It was the only twist I liked.
>>344687021
reminds me of VLR, though saying that i can't believe they did it again. reusing the same theme's twice in a row disappoints me.
>>344688960
I love S;G, dislike DR and what the hell is seacats?
>>344692950
>These conundrums are based on far-reaching themes that include physics, metaphysics, mathematics, logic, ethics, cosmology, ontology, epistemology, psychology, sociology, philosophy, philosophy of the mind, probability theory, game theory, decision theory, utilitarianism, communitarianism, occultism and so on.
70% of the decisions involved none of these, because they were just inputting names or passwords.
MIRA
WHERE IS SHE?!
Damn it I shipped Sigma/Phi!
>>344699410
She went to Butthole, Pennsylvania. She told me to tell you to find a thousand pounds of cocaine and meet her there.
Got some questions here cause im shit at following multiple timelines
1. Once the shifters figured out they could shift why didn't they just shift to before the experiment began so that they could warn people or take literally any preventative measures instead of perpetually shifting to points in time after the decision game started?
2. Why is everyone ok with mira being a serial killer in the end of the game? They do know, right? Nobody says anything or even tells eric. (true ending)
3. Why does delta think he has changed anything? The whole game is about infinite realities, so there was already an infinite amount of realities where the terrorist did not cause ww3. Sure he created another set of infinite realities, but double infinity is still infinity.
4. How is delta alive at 124 years old? Why are his eyes purple?
5. Why did delta kill gab? What was the point of that?
6. Why did Mira pretend to fall unconscious each time the drug was injected? She was in on the ruse right? There wouldn't be a point in tricking any of them because they wouldn't remember her not falling unconscious anyway.
7. How did sean shift at the end? He is just a computer. How can computers shift?
8. How did carlos use the bracelet as an anesthetic for his arm wound? If it was injected wouldnt he fall asleep and forget like normal? Why was it just only affecting his arm at that point?
I have more that i probably forgot
>>344699584
>Sigma kept asking to see his daughter in a swimsuit in VLR
>>344688960
R11 is very good. It's just that it ends up being compared to E17 constantly. While E17 wrapped up things nicely, R11 leaves you to find out the fucked up truth on your own.
>>344698363
When Phi went on about parasites, I thought she was inadvertently shit talking the player for making such a shitty decision. Turns out it went absolutely nowhere and was just MIND HACKS
>>344698125
There was no space to hide behind.
Also the caliber from a damn mini-gun surely would pierce Armor Plate.
>>344692349
Disagree that R07 fucked up the last arcs. People just are obsessed with getting a conclusion and denying all magic outright, but R07 didn't want that, he wanted Magic to be at equilibrium with Trick. So he only gave a symbolic solution with EP07, instead of a factual one.
And he constantly said that he included everything he wanted on EP08 and was really satisfied with how it turned out. Its just that what he wanted wasn't what most people expected.
>>344699689
>6. Why did Mira pretend to fall unconscious each time the drug was injected? She was in on the ruse right? There wouldn't be a point in tricking any of them because they wouldn't remember her not falling unconscious anyway.
She didn't. She DID fall asleep. But the memory loss drug wasn't injected.
>7. How did sean shift at the end? He is just a computer. How can computers shift?
They explained in the ending where Sean enters the password into the Quantum Computer while Eric and Mira were present. It's because of Quantum states or something.
>>344699584
Same here bro. I will forever be sad.
>>344699762
Yeah, I thought we were getting called out there. I get that Delta has a motive to force them to make all possible choices, but Uchikoshi set himself up for fourth-wall breaking in VLR and just never used it.
I won't accept "a small budget" as an excuse eithe. All he would have to do is spend a little less time writing mind hack dialogue and thrown in a couple lines aimed at the player.
>>344683240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iiRqdRTWyw
when will 999 be put on steam its the only one I have not yet played
>>344683573
>skip the best game
just play vlr and make up your own ending
>>344699689
>5. Why did delta kill gab? What was the point of that?
Motivate the group to SHIFT, since thet all love Gab.
In the end on the other timeline, the one the game ends with, Delta even comes out with Gab in tow
>>344700535
2/10 you tried
>>344700398
Not that guy but Phoenix Right is just rending the character models, the backgrounds are pre-rendered pictures.
In the end there's no real excuse, ZTD was just low budget.
>>344686456
It's missing blood spreading out from the camera during Q-Team's execution.
>>344700535
sumika is the brain
>>344699382
Umineko
What changed?
>>344700697
the point was shitty character facial expressions on a 3ds is not an excuse
>>344701056
Still better than VLR. I'm glad they at least tried to bring the gore back.
What's the name of the theory that our brains are just being controlled by us in another dimension?
>>344699396
BUDGET
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>>344701056
It got more violent?
999 doesn't show a single beheaded and a full dismembered body in plain view.
>is not an excuse
ZTD = engine works on the characters and whole scenery
Phoenix Wright = engine only works on the characters, bacgrounds are static.
>>344683158
Game had no budget, from what we know.
Credits confirm that at least there weren't many people involved.
>>344699965
>it's what the author wanted it to be
You can excuse pretty much every finale with that logic.
>>344701112
Actually in that very video I saw some shitty facial animation too. They only put effort into the girl.
I don't like ZTD but I still think it's retarded that the Gamespot reviewer only played half of it.
>>344701457
Sure, I still understood his and liked it. After forcing so much for the Magic side, it would be weird if he just completely dropped it and gutted it at the end.
He did release the truth in the manga and in some interviews, so he didn't even ruin his work.
>>344696348
Because Akane a shit
>>344701443
shit, forgot my quote >>344701112
>>344701221
>at least tried to bring the gore back.
but they surpassed it.
I don't recall a single visible beheaded corpse in plain view on 999.
Unless you meant the horror described in the narration, which ZTD lacks since there's no narrative.
>>344701221
I would still say VLR, even though it lacked gore, had a better atmosphere and aesthetic than ZTD. It stayed consistent with its Si-Fi theme throughout with its environments, music, and general art direction. ZTD is all over the fucking place; the environments have no consistency, the graphics are blocky and cell-shaded, and the majority of the soundtrack are reused themes.
>>344701443
>999 doesn't show a single beheaded and a full dismembered body in plain view.
Yet 999's atmosphere is still leagues above anything in ZTD.
>>344696348
Speaking of which, shouldn't Crash Keys have some sort of contigency plan when things go to shit like one of their leaders dying?
I actually pity Delta having Mind Hacking, for this reason: intrusive thoughts. Every single whim he had would probably create another timeline, which may explain some bad ends like D-Team shower escape, the blue button, not taking the antidote, and Diana trying to disarm the bomb herself.
>>344698129
Smugkane best Akane.
>>344701892
too bad ZTD style made the gore look hilarious
the only disturbing death si the shower because you only hear the screams and nothing more
even the decapitated bodies are just there and not disturbing at all
>>344702168
Not everyone suffers from ADD ya know. It's not like mind hacking takes him days.
>>344698719
You and me both, but it wasn't anything amazing
>>344683573
Honestly, the current game makes itself trivially pointless.
>>344699689
1. Everyone does very stupid things that are far from the most obvious or best way to achieve their goals.
2. Eric knows, if you read the notes after finishing the game he has her surrender to the police, and they marry in prison.
3. I was wondering if this game had a weird derivative of the multiverse where the other universes are forks originating from man-made choices? 'cause otherwise, nobody's plans to do anything than to set their CURRENT self up with xy make any sense.
If everything that is physically possible, you can't stop radical-6 or can't save mankind. Infinite universes die to it. Infinite universes don't have it. Infinite universes survive the outbreak with one casualty, or none. Literally nothing you could do would matter, you could only travel to where you wanted to be.
7. He haz quantums, he can shift (/ exists everywhere simultaneously - I think the game confused me on the respective text actually)
8. Well, the injections for memory loss and sleep are separate. How he knew which is which is beyond me though.
MIND HACK
>>344701892
Oh yeah, there was brutal stuff like Carlos murdering Akane or Mira drudging around Eric's chest. But most of the gore was held back by the wonky modelseven if I personally liked them.
>>344701964
That's why I said tried. With stuff like the executions and showers scenes, you could really tell they were trying to get the gore back in there.
>>344702796
BRAIN BLAST
Smut thread >>>/aco/686648
マインドハック!!!
>>344702997
THOUGHT TAKER?
>>344703567
2発の爆弾では十分ではありませんでした。
>>344702000
Mary Suekane needs no contingency plans.
Can someone posted the "sleep with me" webm of Dianna?
Enough memeposting, post underrated ZE tracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weW2wvwG3wQ&index=56&list=PLj-ru-1cx_tlMEbtwQ1V4-ATAkfXNHoyD
>>344704507
I don't have the balls.
>>344704514
https://youtu.be/9xJSPwvhjL4
Somehow makes being trapped on a boat the hypest shit.
>>344703075
>still no /ss/ with mira and sean
I must be in the wrong timeline.
>>344704712
I love the tempo change half a minute in, really ups the tension.
>>344704834
Draw it yourself, anon ;^)
>>344704514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GveSKpeanh8
Favorite theme.
>>344703075
>Sexualizing Phi
>Sexualizing Diana
>>344705095
Pretty chill track.Halfway through the game I was convinced the Quantum Computer Dome was gonna be the Final Puzzle Room™ of ZTD, much like Archives/Q Room. Such a neat-looking room.
Which is better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spsY11KIFDM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJvZwZQV7fsTIME TO DECIDE!
>>344703075
I thought legoman could draw.
>>344705475
I personally prefer Digital Root for that booming percussion. Can't fucking wait to hear it remastered.
It's shipping tomorrow :)
fuck I wish I could erase my memory and play 999 and vlr again...
I wish they had stuck with Nonary Game throughout the series.
>>344705872
watch edition
I already beat it on PC
>>344705740
Ugh, anon. Get out before you get spoiled.
>>344706016
>>344705938
Nevermind.
>>344705475
And the follow-up: which is better?
https://youtu.be/EjQfY47pFNs
https://youtu.be/gFJ1r6_4mW4
>>344706124
Wrong timeline
>>344706184
this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8E20i-dLBI&index=27&list=PL0C21BDB2AD060B72
>>344706184
The answer is always morphogenetic sorrow.
Bet track in the series.
>You will never make millions of dollars from business/investing/etc and then waste that money setting up real life replicas of 999 and VLR
My life goal
>>344706184
Tough choice, but I'd go with BBL. Love the build-up.
Shame ZTD used it more than it should have.
Did I miss something or did the game end on a fucking cliffhanger.
I got to the point whereCarlos is pointing the gun at Deltaand then the credits rolled.
Is that it?
>>344705816
The side-effects are problematic.
How about playing the other Uchikoshis instead?
>>344705475
Digital Root, but I think Clarification was one of VLR's weaker tracks while Digital Root was one of 999's strongest.
>>344706184
As a complete song, I'd say Morphogenetic Sorrow.
But the climax of Blue Bird Lamentation is feels on another level. The rest is just buildup for that though pretty much.
>>344706479
Yes. There are some epilogue pages, but that is it.
>>344706479
You are missing the secret ending.
>>344706184
man i can't even decide
i couldn't listen to either of those tracks without having to hold back tears
>>344706479
Download the DLC.
>>344706521
I actually love Clarification so I guess it's a bigger choice between the two for me.
>>344706436
>Would love to go to an Escape Room attraction
>Don't want to go alone
>Friends would probably suck at it
>I would also probably suck at it because real life puzzles wouldn't be designed like ZE puzzles
>mfw
>>344706613
If Uchikoshi/Spike Chunsoft actually pulled that shit...
>>344706667
Nah dude, the real life ones are easy. I went to one with normie coworkers who don't even play video games. It was a "HARD" room with 10% completion rate... we solved it. The hardest thing in there was similar to the pills in the biolab in ZTD.
Okay Fuck, Marry, Kill.
>Lotus
>Alice
>Mira
Question for all the people that hated the Delta reveal? How would you do it better? Because I admit that it is deliberately manipulating the player, but I struggle to come up with a better way to do it. We knew that Brother was Zero before playing the game, and we knew he was old as fuck. So the moment we saw Delta, the jig would be up. The only other way I can think of doing it would be to not have Zero as a participant at all, but then the reveal of him being somebody we didn't see would feel like even more of an asspull. I would be a literally who? moment. Anybody got any ideas on how they would've made it work better?
>>344706479
Yes, that's it.
Are you bothered about THAT part - what happensdelta, the somewhat random villain guythat popped in at the end?
Myself, I'm more bothered about all the unanswered things from the older two games...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai8eWvCYkB0
Simply: Pottery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eWaxTNbPJk
>>344706184
I'd give it to BBL, just because I spent the entire game most invested in Luna, and that ending fucking hurt me. I wasn't even able to bring myself to get the betray Luna game over because why the fuck would you ever betray Luna in that moment?
Morphogenetic Sorrow is pretty fucking terrific, though.
Did you guys actually figure out the meaning of this clue in the manufacturing room?
>>344706184
Man, I could never get into these tracks, they sound cheesy as hell and usually ruin the moment, but the very beginning of Blue Bird Lamentation is very sweet and sorrowful while it lasts.
>>344706997
It's just an AI anon.
What the fuck happened to the religious fanatic?! Why don't I have the choice to shoot delta or not? What the fuck?!
>>344706506
>implying they're better
lel
>>344706826
Really, there was no reason for himto play his game.
He could literally just have met them in a room in timelines where his stated goals were achieved or whatever. He almost did the same anyway.
>>344706826
>the reveal of him being somebody we didn't see would feel like even more of an asspull.
This sounds
>would be a literally who?
Awfully familiar.
Zero didn't even need to be there. We could find his accomplice or the reasons behind this nonary game(clues about the terrorist, etc...)
you just gotta love how sigma on the cover looks actually like sigma however in-game he looks totally different
i mean they nailed phi perfectly how did the fuck up sigma so badly?
>>344707087
>It's just an AI anon.
Did you just ignore the conversation in the Gaulem Bay?
Why didSigma and Diana fuck in an alien space pod when there was a perfectly good couch available?
>>344707491
It's just an AI pretending to have feelings using pseudoscience and quantum computers as an excuse, anon.
>>344707419
What I want to know is, why did they so drastically change that setpiece in-game?
I genuinely thought Diana was going to be at least morally ambiguous/have bad intentions based on that teaser and the fact that she's the one who released Radical-6, but it turns out she just makes bad choices.
>>344686181
Okay but what about the scene where q team takes the radical 6 or doesnt, there were 3 vials
I'm thinking of buying this. Should I? I enjoyed Danganronpa.
>>344707578
Heat of the moment, it was right there, and wouldn't YOU want to fuck in an alien space pod, given the opportunity?
>>344707229I think This actually has more potential, too?
Ultimately, why couldn't he have the "decency" to free his mom and dad and younger self and sister in some timelines where his parents did the prequisite teleportation, but were still stuck and going to starve in the bunker?
Him then talking to his parents and various things happening would probably even have been a better plot mover and emotional moment thing than Sean the otherwise basically pointless robot talking to Zero in the quantum computer room.
>>344707031
It shows how the wires are connected, silly.
>>344707774
Wait for the 999 HD Remake, then play that. Same with VLR. Then finally ZTD. Now you must leave and never return before you are spoiled.
>>344705938
My "watch edition" was delivered, no watch though. Are you sure yours will have it?
>>344707773
All the puzzles were designed around three people being present, which is why Eric was so suspicious of Sean.
Sean, Mira, and Eric were the ones who got their finger pricked, which may have infected them with FBR.
>>344707774
I think you should like it well.
But play the two prequels first.
>>344707653
i know this cover leads to believe that diana is a murderer or something
also somehow diana is basically forced to do what she did in this ending because like in vlr seen (or heard more rather) she killed all six... all six billion
so without this history vlr wouldn't happen but i can't understand why they chose diana to be the one which makes this completely irrational decision
>>344707774
Danganronpa is better.
Also don't expect a satisfying villain like DR.
>>344707578
I imagine they usedevery place not too creepy or uncomfortableeventually.
Months with nothing to do in this ultimately not too big space, eh.
>>344706016
NTR doujins of Akane receiving BIG AMERICAN PENIS from Carlos when?
>>344708198
Diana's just super bleedy-hearted. I imagine that's part of why she got a backstory involving an abusive ex-husband.
Plus, according to the prologue stories, she was hot for Sigma almost straight away, and she and Phi developed a bond as well when Phi asked for a hug.
>>344708358
Please never post anything ever again.
>>344707578
it's a Titanic reference
>>344686456
>>344700932
Also during one scene, I forget which, a X-Pass for Q is revealed, but Sean is still barely alive.
>>344708198
>i know this cover leads to believe that diana is a murderer or something
She IS a murderer.
>also somehow diana is basically forced to do what she did in this ending because like in vlr seen (or heard more rather) she killed all six... all six billion
VLR happened because she is a murderer, not the other way around.
>so without this history vlr wouldn't happen but i can't understand why they chose diana to be the one which makes this completely irrational decision
Because she's an emotional mess and a murderer.
Don't ignore Diana' flaws because she's your waifu.
>>344706124
>0:30
everytime
>>344707240
Yeah. I wouldn't have minded having him be monitoring them and having the reveal be Q pointing at an eyeball camera that he's been using to watch implanted in all of them. But that would've been harder to seed, and I don't hate what we got. Except for the fact that it wasn't entirely necessary for him to be in the game (beside his death causing C-Team to jump and get the VLR timeline complete) I thought it worked pretty well, and making the player be delta is a clever twist,and it keeps the tradition of the character playing as a single participant in the game, only this time it is the true villian
>>344708580
>Diana's just super bleedy-hearted. I imagine that's part of why she got a backstory involving an abusive ex-husband.
Oh damn that makes her even more cute.I want to protect this insecure smile
What was the deal with '?' at the end of VLR?
>>344709050
>implying sigma wouldn't fucking wreck you for trying
>>344708867
>she is a murderer because she didn't leave a woman to die
>it's her fault, not Delta or Mira
>MUH SNAIL etc.
>>344709129
Gab
>>344706826
Have more old people participating
>/v/ now hates ZTD
What happened?
>>344709050
I also just realized, but Zero fucks with Diana especially hard, which is even worse when you think about how it all happens.
>Delta MIND HACKS her into pressing the button in the Decontamination Room
>Leaves a pre-recorded message for her calling her a shit for pretending that she didn't have complete control over her actions when he was the one controlling her.
>The end result of this timeline is Delta literally killing himself to spite his mother.
>>344709360
it's a meme
>>344709135
what?
i'm trying to keep her happy as much as i can
why would sigma wreck me?
>>344709360
the game happened
>>344709360
redditors left
>>344709429
>why would sigma wreck me?
Don't play dumb.
We all know what your trying to pull.
>>344709141
>>she is a murderer because she didn't leave a woman to die
No, she's a murderer because she knowingly brought an epidemic into the world . She's a nurse, anon, she knew exactly what she was doing and its consequences.
>>344709360
Even if you only played this game, you should realize the characters do so many stupid things for no reason.
Plus it breaks a lot of the other two game's story, also for no reason.
I just finished the game and I can't believe they didn't even try to address the obvious paradox of Delta creating the game so that him could be born.
What the fuck.
>>344709635
Have you never played a zero escape game before?
>>344709360
There's a lot wrong with it.
(It's still good tho)
>>344709415
i just wonder what happens in the end where delta shoots sigma and the screen just fades after he says momma
>>344709351
Really? Wow, now we have two possible Zero's instead of the uncertainty of anybody being part of the masterplan. Truly you are genius
>>344709635
999 literally did the exact same thing.
>Well Phi it looks like we have a Zero Time Dilemma on our hands
BRAVO UCHI
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>>344705375
>Quantum Computer Dome
>QCD
>>344709360
I don't think it's genuine, full-on hatred.
The game has some real flaws all throughout, they clearly didn't have a lot of money and tried to design the game like they did, and despite the fact that it's the finale of a niche series a lot of the presentation makes it clear that it was written in such a way that it would be somewhat accessible to new players (to the detriment of people who played 999/VLR). Among other niggling issues here and there.
Overall, though, it was a still a fun ride, just not what it could've been.
>>344709482
http://www.strawpoll.me/10670353/
Reminder that 75% of /v/ would classify ZTD as 'good or great'
So uh...
What the fuck happened to Santa/Aoi?
>>344706821
Marry Mira of course, she's an angel in customer's clothing. The other women can attend the ceremony.
>>344709848
He's just hanging around I guess. Not dead or anything. They mention him in the decontamination room and in the post game notes.
>>344709848
Heisn't Phi, that's for sure. Still salty about that
>>344709360
>now
It's always been like this. And it's not hate, it's just some critical analysis and critique in the typical /v/ fashion.
I don't think praising the things the game does well really spurs much discussion, regardless.
>>344709707
Make all paricipants old except the characters we already knew and then reveal none of them are zero and that zero is akane trying to find brother so now there's two reveals.
>>344709758
My favorite line
>>344709758
It's exactly as bad as the last game.
>Well Phi, it seems that death is Virtue's Last Reward.
But at least it's better than the Japanese version.
>Well Phi-chan, sometimes Good People Die.
>>344709848
Why is this important? Would it make you happy if the epilogue had a line stating that Santa helped them look for the fanatic?
>>344688880
Same, I feel like I wasn't supposed to get it as early as I did but after the ending of sending the twins in the teleporter it became pretty obvious. It was weird that Eric knew Seans name though, so that got spoiled for me before the actual reveal.
>make a game with excellent setting and tone
>tone it down for the next game because the Japanese are afraid of violence
>design the next game for Americans
>now ten times more gruesome, but still worse then the either two
wew
>>344709707
just make everyone zero lmao
>>344709976
That sound's like the stupidest shit I've heard. And people say the story we got contradicts shit from the other games, or is another rehash
>>344709635
it's the same what akane did in 999
i guess you can use schrödingers cat as explanation (box gets closed when first nonary game started and opened again when the 9 hours of the second nonary game pass) that would be the reason for seven to remember the death of akane in stead of her succeeding in the puzzle, which then explains his headache when you get to the ending where you would help her because the past ultimately changes to the one where akane lived
also her feverish moments are explained with this
she just feels that the wrong path is going on and will vanish when the 9 ours pass and she wasn't saved yet
>>344709597
Wait, you then think she wouldn't be a murderer if she killed and burned Phi?
It's not actually *murder* if you expect all choices to lead to a number of people dieing (starting at 1) anyhow.
Wouldn't even be murder if she had heard thatPhi can shift, but just didn't believe it or didn't believe it was reliable.
>the real twist was that Japan did the right thing in ignoring the ZE series
>>344707647
How do you know that you aren't one?
>>344710145
I bet Uchi likes horror movies
>>344710253
Everyone in Japan shifted back to not buy copies to try to stop our present
>>344710145
I think whatever they would have tried would have fallen short.
>>344710210
Lmao
>>344710253
Apparently the violence was toned down in VLR to accommodate for Japanese taste, but what they really should've done was replace Alice with a half-naked 8 year old who had a romantic attraction to Sigma, but eventually ran off with Tenmyouji, who is now 300 pounds heavier and never not sweating.
That would've moved units in Japan.
>>344710560
don't forget the high pitched voice and calling everyone ONII-CHAN~~~
>>344710560
>8 yer old who had a romantic attraction to Sigma
You mean Quark?
>>344710560
It's criminal that Zero JR has more porn than all of the titty monsters of the Zero Escape series put together.
>>344710403
I'm sure the reason it's so much worse has probably little to do with all the blood in the game. There just isn't any atmosphere because the other characters are never out to get each other and the first half of the game just feels like characters die at random. There is no "Struggle to stay alive" because it feels like the characters are just constantly thrown unwinnable scenarios.
God damn the voting at the beginning is so utterly meaningless. You control the votes and then it doesn't even matter because you go off into the other timelines anyway and you don't even really get to see the characters come face to face and say "What the fuck was with that vote" like you do in VLR. It's just so "nothing."
Fuck.
>>344710720
Who doesn't have an attraction to sigma?
i mean common he has a phdwhich obviously stands for pretty huge dick
>>344707120
Don't worry, they'll stop him in Zero Escape 4.
If VLR never existed and ZTD was the sequel to 999, would you enjoy it more or less?
>>344710720
>when Sigma suggested to dress Quark as a girl and Quark thought about it
>>344710864
Not even gay, but Sigma's a real catch.
Smart, Fit, decent personality, would probably have an excellent job if the world didn't fucking explode.
so Delta can't find the terrorist because he is an alien, right?
>>344710906
it somehow wouldn't work that way
>>344710906
Less, but that's because I would have seen less relationship building between Sigma and Phi. Which would make the parenthood and all the deaths that occured less impactful.
>>344682789
How did that "meme of the nation" thing go?
>>344710906
I wouldn't care about the Diana and Sigma ending because I would basically have no attachment to those two. And that was one of the better parts of the game.
No that would be terrible.
>>344711058
yeah that's why i'm really upset about how they fucked up sigmas 3d model so much
Why was Sean such a slut?
>fucking /r9k/ and serial killer bitch get a happier ending than Junpei and Akane
Life really is unfair, holy shit. I don't understand how Junpei lived to be his age in VLR. I would have fucking offed myself after all that shit.
>>344711314
But Junpei and Akane end up happily married.
>>344711314
They get married you dumbass.
>>344709738
>>344710224
I thought Akane can watchpossible futures in all the timelines where she or resonant partners exist somehow, but just thought -correctly or falsely- that she needed to set up the thing she will watch to get the solution. She could probably be wrong about this because individual "instances" of her don't know everything she knows, she can just "go watch" things through that field.
>>344711058
He ages pretty poorly though.
>>344711314
He didn't remember meeting Akane during the Decision Game in that ending due to what was most likely a huge dose of the memory erasing drugs. So as far as Tenmyouji knew, he just literally never saw Akane again until the AB project.
If he did, he most likely would've killed himself out of frustration. I know I would've.
>>344710864
Sorry anon, but I was only slightly attracted to him in VLR (regardless of the age of his physical body) and now...nope, nothing at all. Stern men like him just isn't my thing, with or without the dad jokes, and I don't find his model attractive at all.
>>344707031
Does anything happen if you cut the wrong wire or fail the ball minigane?
>>344711640
Game Over screen
>>344711519
well he spends his life on either the moon or on an apocalyptic earth what do you expect
>>344711058
Even with the world dead he still has a pretty nice job. He's a goddamn space scientist, that's dope as hell.
? Is exempt from the injections
? Can watch every team even when in a different location
? Can cause other people to make certain choices
? Pretends to be deaf and blind to the other characters because ? Doesn't communicate with them.
Does Q stand for Question-Mark?
Are we Zero? It kinda makes a progression that way - from close friend, to player character - now potentially the player
>Dilemma
>Two Ms
>Have always spelled it "dilemna"
>"This has got to be a etymology quirk"
>Google it just now
>It's not
>It's always been spelled with two M's
>In fact there's no history of it ever being spelled with an N, not even textbook or dictionary misprints
>Yet there are countless others who've made the same "mistake" all their lives and were so sure they were correct in spelling it with -MNA
Holy fuck, when did I SHIFT?
>>344711414
>>344711431
>Mira grows as a person, hands herself in, and feels bad for all the bad shit she did
>Akane doesn't pay for her crimes and doesn't even feel bad about the other Junpeis
Junpei got fucked hard.
>>344711546
Tenmyouji remembers being there
>>344711941
Same fucking shit happened to me around release time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWSfvIOLO5c
>>344712031
Junpei doesn't feel bad about the other Junpeis either.
>>344712031
Akane killed people who literally deserved it and the ones who lived probably understand what she did and don't really hold a grudge.
How can the clueless idiots that couldn't stop Delta stop the guy that not even Delta can stop?
>>344712096
I never got this, even as a kid I thought their name was weird and unreadable and wondered why the author didn't just make a bear pun with it. I don't know why people remember otherwise.
>>344708867
>being a murderer
>flaw
Eric did nothing wrong.
>>344712463
Joined forces
>>344712496
Non-SHIFTer plebs need not apply.
>>344712096
>Spelled dileMNa
>Remembered BerenSTEIN
HELP
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjQfY47pFNs
>>344712812
>Sigma, Diana, Phi, and Delta form a family crime fighting team
>>344712147
But he does, it's just that he's too much of a cuck to do something about it.
>>344712419
It's still murder, and let's not talk about 999 bad ends. She's killed more people than Mira.
>>344711898
> It kinda makes a progression that way - from close friend, to player character - now potentially the player
And Akane is practically your personal waifu already with how this progression appears to continue.
>>344712965
As soon as he finds out about SHIFTing he kills Junpeis in other timelines with no remorse.
>>344712463
They can go through as many world lines as they need to, forward and back through time, until they find them. All Delta has is money and the ability to make you push buttons unwillingly.
>>344712965
>nd let's not talk about 999 bad ends
Literally everyone is a goddamn murderer if we're basing it on what could potentially happen.
>>344712965
>bad ends.
Okay but those are alternate histories that we don't get to see.
This is like the ending of ZTD, you want to pin crimes on her that she committed only in an alternate universe.
>>344713113
and a Quantum computer that can predict all timelines
and an alien transporter that shows where and how the timeline branches
and robots that can shift apparently
and clones
>>344711705
Then this is the first and only time you can get a Game Over during an escape segment, right?
Do you like my Rotom?
>>344713476
>Overheat
>>344713159
>>344713165
I'm sure clever wouldn't have murdered all those people if Akane hadn't hosted the second nonary game in the first place.
At least Delta did it to save the world. Akane's just a selfish bitch.
>>344713061
He felt bad about old man Junpei getting cucked for 45 years. Killing yourself is a whole different matter anyways.
>>344713476
>Overheat
Heh. Are there pokemon moves akin to "droning about random theories" or "going full yandere"? If so, replace Thundershock, I don't get that.
>>344682789
>Set us up the bomb timer
When did memes become okay?
>>344713476
Can Rotom learn Nasty Plot?
>>344682789
How come that thick bar counter didnt protect them but two bodied did?
Also if you SHIFT whenever youre about to die and shifting causes you to swap places wouldnt the people who shifted into you also shift and cause an endless loop?
I was so happy going in to ZTD thinking we'd finally get a Zero who actually had bad intentions.
Instead I got complex motives.
http://www.4gamer.net/games/336/G033691/20160609079/
Uchikoshi's 42 years old. When he's in his 30s he's always reflecting on what he had done but recently he's tired of doing such thing and decided that he wants to express his feelings through ZTD, which is what Zero said in prologue: "Life is unfair."
In most ZTD interviews Uchikoshi repeated that the games he made didn't sell good. And he's disconsolate about people kept complaining about what he had done without thinking about how much effort did he put into his works. I think if ZTD project got green-lit right after the release of VLR it might be a different game.
MINDHACKorNANOMACHINES?
Who did itbetter?
People insulting Junpei for staying with Akane. Would you pull out if Akane wanted your D?
>>344686174
Because there are other characters in the game
>>344713919
>wants to express his feelings through ZTD, which is what Zero said in prologue: "Life is unfair."
He made the game shit on purpose?
>>344713973
Vocal Chord Parasite
>>344709129
Delta
4th letter of the Greek Alphabet and 4th participant of the Decision Game.
Here I thought Crash Keys didn't post Participant 4 because other things were leaked.
>We will make our OWN DESTINY! With the power of FRIENDSHIP!
why did it turn into Persona 4?
>>344714407
P4 had a better ending because they actually stopped the bad guy from destroying the world.
>>344714292COMPLEXSOLDIERS
>>344714282
He said he made that ending on purpose. I think he expected people feel the same feelings because he said he knew people won't accept it.
>>344713794
He's a Meme Machine.
>>344682789
animation budget: 0
>>344714407
Ever played 12 Riven? It has the same ending.
>>344713254
>and a Quantum computer that can predict all timelines
I dimly recall that one just existed across timelines (all the timelines where IT was built, not all timelines ever).
I might be wrong though. Are you sure it was able to predict all timelines?
>>344714669
>knew people won't accept it.
Because it's a terrible ending. It sounds like he did make the ending shit on purpose.
>>344714087
Thanks
You wake up and see this man in front of you. What do you do?
>>344714952
am i his sister?
This game is such a huge fucking disappointment. I wish I should have stopped at 999.
>>344714952
Ask him why the sprinklers are going off.
Diana will never give you a casual blowjob during her lunch breaks as she hands you her weekly pay.
;_;
>>344714952
Check environment, neck, and wrist, in that order.
>>344715035
One of the other teams pressed the button.
>>344714952
M I N D H A C K
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What is this game about and who's the cute redhead with freckles?
>>344698363
I was suspecting it would be the influence of themselves from other time lines, or some central self-consciousness existing outside of the timelineslike they suggested after revealing Sean's quantum computer mind.
But no, it turns out it's MIND HACKS.
>>344709848
Hypothesis: was mission control for Akane's infiltration from Crash Keys HQ, but Dcom or the bomb shelter jammed the signal.
>>344714952
Ask where Sean is so I can molest him.
>>344715225
It's about saving the world, and that's Diana.
>>344710862
EXACTLY
EXACTLY
WHY THE FUCK DOES ANYONE IGNORE THIS
>>344714541The "bad" guy apparently isn't destroying the world though?
He actually seems far more effective at saving it with his limited powers than Akane and others that superficially seem like they should be able to intervene more directly, but really mostly just fuck things up very much.
The guy just fudges probabilities into the right direction, within what his limited powers can do.
He saw he was limited in his ability to perceive and act -due to limitations on the numbers of SHIFTers, the many SHIFTers that apparently didn't care to save the world, and the many histories where he himself wasn't born or otherwise unable to act,
And then he simply took the steps available to him to raise all of these numbers. From what we can tell, it's working.
>>344714952
Calmly ask himWHY DID HE KILL JUNPEI
What the fuck. It just now dawned on me, Carlos sent himself back 10 months before the game when the timelines hadn't branched yet so there should be an extra Carlos outside in every timeline. Not only does this mean he should have also busted in Kool-Aid Man style in the twins timeline to save Sigma and pals from starving, but there are also 2 Carloses walking around in the Payoff timeline since neither of them died.
>>344714860
>This quantum computer contains all of the infinite number of realities within space.
that's what he said
>>344715589
I was referring to the fanatic. Imagine if P4 ended right after Adachi talks about whatever he talked about that made you look for the gas station attendant.
I just spent about 18 hours on this comic about the true ending of Zero Time Dilemma.
I hope you like it.
>>344713897
One of the guns had clear Line of Sight from the side.
>>344710862
To me, it wasn't even just the beginning. Almost all the fragments felt disconnected. Within one team, and between teams.This makes some sense within the story... butit caused me to be very uninterested in what happened.
Didn't feel like any cause-effect thing I had some control over was going on. It felt only like random shit happened.
>>344710862
>thought the decisions would be moral dilemmas
>other than the acid shower it's either entering in a fucking password or a game of chance
When I saw the FBR/Rad6 chart in the trailer, I thought they were going to be infecting a bunch of people. Hell, they could've injected Gab and it would've been better.
>>344715970
kek
>>344715970
>for what crime
being the leader of the FtS a cult that the SOIS, that works for the department of defense, is trying to dismantle?
>>344715970
>we only see the timeline in which they act like retards
This explains a lot dresu
>>344716147
Yeah. My biggest disappointment, even more than the Delta twist was the lack of payoff in the dilemmas. 90% of them had one right choice and a game over. VLR did it better because despite it being the one choice repeated you had to deal with the effects of your decision. In this it was a matter of choosing the right choice because the timeline was fractured enough because of the teams. As a result, adding actual decisions that affected shit would've confused it more
I think it's time we admit that the fragments system separating the teams was a mistake
Just wake up and there was a dead snail next to my bed. H-help.;;
>>344716448
UCHIKOSHI DOES IT AGAIN
>>344715856
The camera follows the direction of Carlos's gun to reveal Carlos-B, who's been working with Delta as a member of Free the Soul to provide a ride to the nearest city.
I need D-Team epilogues.
>>344716532
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
>>344716607
And also happens to be a Left clone.
>>344715856
wait
fuck
>>344716621
They're hanging with Carlos at the beach. Or maybe they're looking for the fanatic instead of acting like goddamn retards what the fuck Uchi you hack go fuck yourself
WHEN IS 999 REMAKE FUCK
>>344711072
More like Delta will die first and the terrorist can't accept this truth so he/she wants to kill human.
I was expecting some kind of mistery around the arsonist that killed Carlos' family
>>344716621
note: d-team went back to their home planet
-Uchikoshi
>>344716523
>mfw we could have had a carlos sean phi team at some point
>>344717063
>Carlos and Phi on the same team
That could only end up in sex
>>344717186
There's a child in the room, it's gotta stay PG.
>>344717063
>mfw we could've had a edgy junpei, eric (complete with gun), diana team
Would've been off the charts
>>344709805
Remind that 100% of /v/ is biased and doesn't want to admit the series was killed off "for the fans"
>>344715945
That should actually be the thing Delta is working on with his forced increase in "competent" and determined SHIFTers... no?
>>344716958
Just another snail in Zero's increasingly complex plan
>>344716621
>fanfic continuation never because I'm too tired
maybe one day
>>344710906
I would enjoy it more because I wouldn't know how much fucking shit got left out.
>>344710906
If there was no final scene in VLR with ? it would have been better
>>344717754
>zero gives Akane a FtS robe and tells her to attend some super informing meeting
>denies
>seen wearing the robe in VLR anyways
???
>>344717869
Well he did say she was gonna go, regardless.
How he knew ???
>>344716621
have this for now
>>344717559
Read >>344716865
Delta's plan failed, no one gives a shit about the fanatic. Yu moved back to the city and let the shadow world take over.
The end.
>>344717869
She wanted to have more informations on free the soul, she probably did'nt have choice
>>344709360
Because life is unfair and people wanted a happy ending.
>>344715970
What is that? A second Carlos in the background planting a bomb?
>>344717473
Reminder that salty fucks can't help but attempt to ruin everybody elses enjoyment on /v/ because they can't be satisfied until everybody else is like them.I like that vid. It's pretty accurate. VLR and 999 would end just before the drop
>>344718003
How can a single fan handle this much better than uchikoshi
>>344717869
It all makes more sense if you assume future Akane was working with Brother and the entire VLR thing is a set up so she could create a timeline where she can be happy with Junpei since she is a selfish cunt
>>344718003
>Phi-chan
>Awkkward attempts at banter
>Forced cat pun even though he isn't talking about cats
>Don't you mean Dad now
Holy shit that's bad
>>344717983
>>344718063
I'm saying it was a missed opportunity to give the player more of what they wanted. Instead it was probably just Uchi thinking oh fuck she was wearing the robe before so I better just throw it in somewhere
>>344718251
And she couldn't be happy with Junpei because of?
>>344718323
>I'm saying it was a missed opportunity to give the player more of what they wanted. Instead it was probably just Uchi thinking oh fuck she was wearing the robe before so I better just throw it in somewhere
She had access to FTS robes before the DCOM incident.
>>344718323
because she wanted a timeline where the bodies of the dead don't pile at the corner of the streets and that even half a century later is still a wasteland
>>344718501
But why would she be wearing them?
>>344718587
Maybe she got her clothes dirty and it was the only thing on hand? Maybe shit's just comfy?
Fuck, Marry, Kill,Mind Hack
>>344718587
She might have found them on Ace or something.
>>344718685
Fuck Sigma, marry Carlos, kill Eric, MIND HACK Jumpy.
>>344717063
Dammit anon, I was just thinking the same thing.
The disappointment is never-ending, isn't it?
>>344718685
Mind hack all of them becausemy motives are complex.
>>344718685
Carlos is good husbando material but on the other hand, free ice cream. Kill Junpei though.
>>344718685
mind hack sigma, as he's wise beyond his years and learn about a bunch of timelines and shit
fuck carlos
kill grumpy jumpy for being an angry faggot
marry eric, because honestly that fucker isnt all bad, he just needs somebody who's not out to fucking kill him. and hey, ice cream.
>>344715970
>>344718113
...Oh shit, that REALLY is a 2nd Carlos in the background planting a bomb. Amazing.
>>344718685
Fuck: 2nd Carlos
Marry: Carlos
MIND HACC: Sigma (I want to know what the fuck he was thinking during ZTD)
Kill: Eric
I saw it coming. I saw the shit that would be coming exactly when they told "cinematic experience" and from the first screens of the game months ago
That and the fact that there are no diversities in the age of the characters, it's young and handsome people syndrome again... Delta twist could have been so much better if there were people like Ace or Tenmyoldy among the characters
That and the fact we did'nt had the time to discover them properly
All of this mess is worse than nanomachines
>>344707653
Probably didn't have the actual escape room designed yet, and they had to change it to accommodate the whole gun keyhole thing.
I really liked VLR and wasn't happy when people talked shit about it, so it's good ZTD came out.
>>344716621
On the night Delta parted ways with the participants of the Decision Game, Diana talks to Sigma about the timeline where she was alone with Delta in the Quantum Computer room.
Delta told her that he envied those who could readily discard other versions of themselves to pursue an ideal. All they can do is run, while he is left behind to clean up their messes. Despite everything, he will not apologize for his methods, for that would disgrace the lives he has taken in the timelines he has exploited. If Diana, Sigma, and Phi still want to consider him part of their family, part of the Klim family, they will know how to find him after the terrorist is caught.
>>344719516
Its my favorite in the series
I thought 999 was OK, but once I got to the first point where I changed an answer in VLR and Sigma remembered the outcome from a different timeline, I knew I was playing a 10/10 game.
>>344718685
Remember the surprise when we were told 5 was Junpei and 6 was Akane ? That's how bad the new artstyle is
Nona would make a better girl than the nerfed akane but it's too late now
>>344718685
Fuck Carlos
Marry Sigma and have Phi as a daughteru
Kill Eric
Mindhack Jumpy and make him finally plow Akane
>>344718015
Delta's plans fail in countless timelines, and he expects that to happen.
But the actual plan of each individual Delta is just to continue to push the potential for success up for other "derivative" timelines.
You know that "delta" (well, the big letter) is the mathematical symbol for a (usually infinitesimally small) difference / macroscopic change, right?
>>344718685
Fuck Junpei
Marry Siggy Stardust
Kill Eric
Mind hack____Gab
>>344718685
Fuck: Sigma
Marry: Carlos
Kill: Eric
Mind Hack: Junpei
Someone explain the snail.
>>344720095
People knew Junpei immediately
They really fucked up Akane though
>>344720095
Nobody was suprised about Jumpy. Only autists though Nona was 6. Hell, people even thought she may be Phi until three was revealed. It's just that different styles will always cause slight inconsistencies, and in a series as crazy as this, it's hard to tell what's intentional and what isn't.I preferred the old art as well tho senpai
>>344720772
I didn't know it was Junpei immediately. Not until his name was spoken. He acted nothing like Junpei or Tenmyouji.
Then again, I also went into ZTD completely blind.
>>344720670
it's kyle
Life is simply unfair, don't you think ?
>>344720904
Yeah. But people who saw the art knew it was meant to be Jumpy. That's what he was talking about
>>344720670
Seems probably like the snail was actually there, not just a rhetorical device.
Everything else he talks about apparently actually happened.Why Zero knows about some fucking snail is however unclear. Easy way to expand the series in possible future titles or DLC or whatever, I imagine? Or perhaps just the author looking to be entertained by his fan's theories...
>>344720670
The snail is a piece of shit.
MINDHACK
>>344720670SIXBILLION
>>344721107
Carlos is pretty close desu. So is Jumpy and Siggy
>>344721072
He was the old man who asked the murdered jogger why she chose that path that day.
>>344721123
his reasons were COMPLEX
>>344721072
The woman met a senior citizen (Delta) during her walk so he read her mind and saw she changed his route because of the snail
>>344721264
someone should make a mira version of this
>>344721306
>Numbers are unconfirmed, but we're hearing reports of not just six, but six billion dead
Akane's Mom was jogging when she saw a snail and, not wanting to go near it or whatever decided, hey, I'll take the left path. She ran into loli Mira, who was hiding in a bush, and was gutted for her Heart. So began Mira's killing spree. The police suspected Akane's dad as the killer and he was sentenced as being guilty. On his way somewhere (maybe court, I don't remember) he somehow missed the taxi that was supposed to take him somewhere and so a skilled Surgeon got in instead. He was headed to a hospital to operate on non-robo Sean, but this Taxi ended up getting into an accident and both the driver and Surgeon were killed. Shortly after Sean passed away.
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
>>344721264
Give her a break, she saved 2 billion people
>>344721513
>Akane's Mom
dumb anon
>>344721513
meant for
>>344720670
>everyone Delta knows dies
>he blames the snail
maybe he is just cursed
>>344721513
Erics mom, not Akane's
>>344721559
AH, that's why it didn't add up to 6.
>>344721513
Yeah, it was a random jogger and then Akane's mom commited Sudoku out of grief. This would later become the final puzzle in 999 as the snail twisted the knife in deeper.
>>344721513
>eric was akane's brother
Damn anon, stop bullshitting me.
>>344721727
>random jogger
It was Eric's mom dumbass
How did you fuck this up?
ZTD may have not been perfect
but at least we have memes
>>344721808
Shit anon. Look but don't touch
>>344721808
I didn't give a shit about Eric, that's how.
>>344721883
>everything is bait
You're just as bad.
>>344721838
I am pretty sure that's a reference to a dialogue in 999 and not to that scene
unlees is just a meme in that case my bad
>>344722049
all jokes are memes now, didn't you get the memo?
I thought the random jogger was Eric's mom. That is why Eric was accepted as a participant for this game, right?
>>344722045
I repeat. Look but don't touch.Delta would be jealous of my master rusing
>>344722248
yes
>>344721107
What's this based on? Eric wearing a pink shirt would be awful.
>>344722248
Yes, they literally spelled that out at least a couple of times.
That's why I'm so confused that that anon got it wrong.
Though that probably doesn't have anything to do with him being it the game. He probably just followed Mira who was Delta's accomplice.
>>344721107
>tinted lenses
ooh
>akane palette
eww
>>344722480
Just guesses mainly. It'd fit with psychopath
>>344722481
>accomplice
Delta just used her, she didn't know anything.
"Accomplice" implies some level of knowing what's going on
>>344722480
it was just guessing before the colors were revealed iirc
>>344722645
Well I assumed they were working together on some level. Like Delta explicitly told her that she'd be able to roam free and kill people, but didn't do much more than that. He at least led her to Dcom which is probably why Eric joined up.
>>344722598
>>344722673
Ah, that makes much more sense.
>Junpei and Akane without purple hair out of nowhere
A simpler time.
>>344712096
What the fuck...
>berenstain
>>344721261
>>344721334
Damn, you're right. Didn't catch that one, but I guess it should have been very obvious.
>>344721334
I don't think he read her mind, he actually asked her becausehis motives are complex.
i'm gonna marry Carlos.
>>344723139
You do you fag. You do you
>>344722864
I legit thought they were going to be clones or something because of that.
>>344721697
> he blames the snail
He is somewhat right though. In at least two ways.Pic is phi... on a 2D plot. What does it look like?
I just finished VLR for the first time. I only saw it on YouTube back when it came out and I was left wanting more after ZTD, so I decided to actually play it.
Now, call me crazy maybe, but isn't "?" us, the playerbase? We jumped with Sigma to the future and followed his shenanigans at the site. At this time, Kyle was in "our" body back in the past. At the end of VLR, after Akane finishes talking to ?, their mind goes back to the past and Kyle's returns to the future. And then we witness ZTD and make it possible that Sigma and Phi save the earth.
Does that make sense? Kyle was created for the purpose of switching consciences with us so we can witness both the future and the past. That's why he was vital.
>>344682789
Anyone get their watch. I got my game but amazon says It aint coming order a replacement.
>>344723426
That is exactly who ? is. Kyle is really missing though.
>>344723769
Kyle had a rough life.
I had a friend preorder two copies of the game with the watches from gamespot, since I am in Okinawa. Preorderes arrived and she was told the watches weren't supposed to come with them.
Not sure if she fucked up, or gamespot being scummy. I remember the watches were definitely a preorder reward, though.
>>344724381
Life is simply unfair.
>>344724381
They were broken while in transit to Gamestop and Amazon, they'll ship at a later time. It's actually fortunate that you got it from Gamestop because the Amazon shipment was heavily delayed, I only just got mine yesterday. It shipped right after I caved and downloaded it instead. Welp.
>>344712924
>>344711941
it's always been dilemma, you're retarded
Mind hacking this thread
>>344724867
I just got to the first bit with XPasses, where I pressed the button and killed everyone in the showers.
Where can I see the XPasses I need to enter? I couldn't find them in the file.
>>344724924
I think you need to remember them (or screenshot them) from the segment just before you get to the X-door.
>>344724924
You'll have to dig for them in the log, they don't show up in files.
>>344724560
why would you do that. Do what I did, download(illegally) the pc version and play that. Still waiting on my watch though.
>>344725296
Because all I have is a laptop in it's death throes because I'm a poor ass college student.
