ITT: Bosses /v/ claimed to be difficult, but in reality were easy as fuck
>It's another "/v/ is one person" thread.
>>344682432
Over leveled skill building YouTube find all the secrets fuck.
HAHA look at his face! :D
>>344682432
You can find people claiming every souls boss is the hardest/easiest. It's meaningless. Just stop.
>>344682518
>it's another "no such thing as general opinion" thread
It's easy but it's not really a fun fight, Bloodborne is my favorite game and I think Rom is the worst part of the game
>>344682432
Bloodbourne bosses look so fucking bad, jesus christ
>>344682432
I'm playing BB for the first time currently, and Rom and Ludwig are the two bosses that have taken me the most tries.
For Rom, my vit was low enough that many of her attacks would OHKO me, the jump attack of the little spiders included. That being said, Rom only took me 4 or 5 tries in the end, and was incredibly easy once I got used to dodging the mobs+magic combination.
So far, Bloodborne isn't quite as hard as I thought it would be. DaS3 definitely gave me more trouble. I still have yet to fight the Orphan of Kos though, so that may be subject to change.
>>344682847
FUCKING THIS.
Rom is cute. Cute!
>>344682868
Rom is just a test of patience and how much vitality you have. At high NG levels, fucking up on her fight is fatal due to all the kamakaze spiders and vomit stunlock
>>344682432
rom is hard depending on your build, hes not gonna be hard for everyone
i killed him first try my first time fighting him with my skill build
i got raped 4 times on my strength build
>>344682432
Once I understood I had to kill the adds and to bail when it curls up, I was good
>>344682847
>parry 2 times
REALLLLLLLY HARD
>>344682951
bloodborne has the best bosses consistently, 3 of its dlc bosses and 2 of its main game bosses are very very commonly argued as the best bosses in the series, considered on par with or better than the likes of artorias
mechanically they are factually the most impressive and it takes some serious shit taste to deny bloodborne having the best ost
to top it off there are more bosses
there are 2 bad ones in the entire game
PCuck
This guy has like, three attacks that aren't even difficult to avoid. Even when the entire bridge is spikes, you can dodge everything with well-timed jumps while you wait.
>>344683091
the previous experience of DaS3 probably helps
objectively speaking DaS3 is easier
>>344682432
Just killed this guy, what did I do?
I talked to that one person in the lake and now there's a red moon and something about finding a newborn?
Wtf is going on
rom is almost as bad as the crystal sage
and very similar, but at least it has lore
crystal sage and rom sit there while you hit them as they teleport somewhere else and if you're not careful can occasionally 1 shot you
the run back to rom isnt as abysmal though
>>344684330
lovecraft bullshit
probably the best part of the game though, exploring nightmares is fun as shit
>>344683909
Did you play on Nightmare or Inferno?
Okay I'll admit the only reason I can say this fight was easy the first time was a fluke (Seriously this guy is almost impossible if you have no ideal what is coming up). I love monks and had an all monk party at this point. Combine that with the fact your buffs carry over to the second part (Which I didn't know) and I spammed yell part one made this the easiest fight in the game.
>>344682432
they nerfed the homing missiles hard
>>344682432
People still claim Xord is the hardest boss but I had no issue at all
>>344684330
move on to yahar'gul unseen village
the gate behind the lesser amygdala that takes you to the nightmare frontier is open now
you'll want to fully explore that zone and find a key to get to the upper oedon chapel which has some great boss fights, the door is where you found the radiant sword hunters badge above oedon chapel
also make sure to check out cainhurst castle if you haven't
>>344684832
xord?
what?
>tfw /v/ said the soulsborne series has hard bosses
>are actually a joke
Why is this allowed?
>>344684528
Nightmare. The difficulty comes from the huge damage he deals, which is why you're expected to dodge his relatively simple attacks. And the wind magic makes avoiding those attacks abreeze.
Has there actually been a difficult boss in any of these games? Outside Flamelurker as melee (no magic weapons either shitters), what hard bosses are there in these games?
People say ludwig, but all his attacks in phase 2 are very telegraphic, doesn't help his starting animations are so slow.
People say kos, but he's literally wait for the jump and charged R2, just like Defiled Amygdala.
I didn't play DaS2, but I heard people say Lud and Zallen are hard, maybe I should give them a go.
>>344685296
not necessarily hard bosses
but very good fair bosses
artificial difficulty crap is rare in bloodsouls
>>344685184
>>344684832
This boss right here
Thought he was just another forgettable mini-boss at the time.
>>344685590
if you cheese something it is easy
yes
>>344682432
Those things look like the things that crawl all over your pillow every night while you are asleep.
>>344685753
Are you one of those players that classify: Rolling, Attacking, Estus, Items as cheesing?
>>344685686
looks like khamsin in MGR
Maneaters and Flamelurker
>>344685852
i classify only punishing one of the bosses attacks repeatedly and parrying bosses like gwyn cheesing
>>344685686
In the mines? Only reason I can see for him being hard is if you dont kill the trash fast enough or the RNG jesus makes him use AoE attacks multiple times in a row.
>>344685634
>what is dark souls 2
>>344686035
So the only way not to cheese, is to mindlessly mash r1 until you or the boss dies? According to you of course.
>>344685852
abusing defiled amygdalas bad ai is cheesing
waiting for 1 attack that is punishable while running away is cheesing
>>344686191lets not talk about dark souls 2 unless its about its good pvp
>>344686035
>i classify only punishing one of the bosses attacks repeatedly
Boss in every game are literally designed for this, what the fuck?
>>344683878
>there are 2 bad ones in the entire game
witches, celestial, failures, undead giant, mergo, moon prescene, rom, micolash, one reborn, beast possessed soul.
thats more than 2 lad.
>>344685590
flamelurker isnt that tough melee, why does everyone say this? if you've fought abhorrent beast in bb its just a slower version of that fight. i thought he was tough since i played des first, but going back recently flamelurker is pathetic in comparison.
lud & zallen arent that hard, they become difficult in higher ng cycles, but base is usually no problem with a decent weapon + fire resin. the run to them is worse than the boss itself.
>>344686253
if you dodge the bosses attacks and punish him with r1s l2s and r2s depending on the window he gives you cheesing, if you just run away and punish one easy attack there is no difficulty at all
i like to dodge and punish a bosses attacks whenever i am given the chance
otherwise the fight just ends up taking like 15 minutes and isn't fun
>>344686578
Ah, so if a player plays differently than you it's cheesing. Understood.
>>344683878
People need to hop off of Artorias' dick. He was a great boss but he's been left pretty far behind by most of the BB and DS3 bosses, hell, he wasn't even the best boss in the DLC.
>>344685590
>I heard people say Lud and Zallen are hard, maybe I should give them a go.
i beat them on the first try so i dont know about that
If you aren't fucking braindead and can roll, he's easy
Well designed and GOOD boss fight list v1.0
False King Allant.
Old Hero
O&S
Artorias
Manus
Kalameet
Ivory King
Blue Smelter
Ancient Dragon
Watcher and Defender
Gascoigne
Logarius
Ludwig
Dancer
Twin Princes
Nameless King
>>344686756
>People need to hop off of Artorias' dick. He was a great boss but he's been left pretty far behind by most of the BB and DS3 bosses, hell, he wasn't even the best boss in the DLC.
ds2 sucked faggot
>>344686950
I bet you were overleveled as shit
>>344687078
If you beat Blue Smelter in DaS2, you can beat Nameless King.
>>344687078
I was around 70, and finished the game at 80
I died once though, but that was to his bird
>>344686458
>failures are bad
nice meme
>celestial emissary is bad
not really, its the best example of this sort of fight in any souls game
its sup par for bloodborne sure, but its not bad
>mergo
mergo is actually a really good fight if you do it around level 45-50
a lot of people overlevel it because frankly its scaled too low, at its core its a good fight
>moon presence
is a fine fight, if we're saying its bad just because its not that hard
then literally all of almost every game ever is bad
its not all about "SO HARD MEME"
>rom is bad
rom is a decent fight, its sub par for bloodborne like the emissary, but its a great lore fight and a fun experience in the end
>micolash
micolash is a great and fun experience that really spices up the game
its fresh and it shows fromsoftware trying something new, micolash is memorable as all hell too, really underrated by memers such as yourself
>one reborn
is like a worse curse rotted greatwood, its not terrible to the point that its just forgettable
but im sure some people could see it as just a bad fight
>undead giant
>beast possessed soul
so we're counting chalice ""Bosses""" now?
because if we are bloodborne has 3x as many bosses as any other souls game and 100x more content and is better because of it
thats not true
you're the only guy counting chalice bosses
bloodborne has a full set of bosses outnumbering most other games excluding the chalice ""bosses'"
you're a fucking retarded memer who thinks the whole point of the game is difficulty
its not
the games difficulty compliments the gameplay
kill yourself
>>344686578
I wouldn't call it cheesing (unless you're literally only parrying on a boss like Gwyn), but I'd certainly call it playing like a pansy-ass little bitch. Why even play the game if you don't slaughter the bosses in glorious close quarters combat.
@344687249
I've never seen someone ever in my life, unironically defend Living Failures or Celestial Emissary.
Good lord, I just read you ACTUALLY DEFEND MERGO'S WET NURSE
I refuse to believe this isn't a bait post, not even worth a (You)
>>344687421
Mindlessly mashing R1 on the boss only works if you're overleveled and have the Vit to take the hits.
>>344687078
DS2 did suck, faggot. Notice how I didn't even mention it in my post?
>>344687186
Blue Smelter doesn't even compare to bosses like defiled watchdog, defiled amygdala, abhorrent beast, ebiretas
>>344687059
Fume Knight and Alonne desu
>>344687467
>@
reddit pls leave
>>344682432
Rom isn't hard, he just has way too many goddamned adds
If the flying fuck spiders weren't there, it'd be a cakewalk
>>344687467
>Living Failures or Celestial Emissary.
they're not that bad compared to many other bosses in the series
>you ACTUALLY DEFEND MERGO'S WET NURSE
wet nurse would be amazing if she wasnt so easy
>>344687421
>Ichigo chosen undead fighting Capra hollow
>>344686756
ds3 was just awful
artorias alone beats ds3 as a whole really
however i find ludwig maria and kos to be better
>>344686672
the way i mentioned playing multiple playstyles could fit in
are you merely pretending?
>>344686950
terrible fight
so overrated
so fucking easy
beat him at level 40 early on in one playthrough to get some souls early on
>>344687186
if you beat ludex gundyr in under 10 tries
you can beat nameless kek on your first
>>344687573
>take the hits
>only using r1
that's where you're retarded, bad. a pussy, and wrong all at once
>>344687670
why i said fight her earlier on
shes just under-tuned
>>344687619
>Shittiest bosses in all of the DS2 DLC
>>344687767
You literally just said avoiding attacks is being a pansy, retard.
>>344687606
>ebrietas
I'll give you amygdala and watchdog, but fucking ebrietas and abhorrent beast?
Did you play that DLC?
>>344687731
Whos ichigo? He from one of those cartoons you like, anon?
>>344687767
>however i find ludwig maria and kos to be better
Tell me a fight in DaS3 where you can keep the boss locked forever like you can Maria and Kos.
>Maria
R1, R1 Stagger, L1, Visceral repeat until dead.
>Kos
Phase 1
Wait for jump, R2, visceral Wait for overhead, l2, visceral. Wait for swingx3, R2, Visceral.
Phase 2
Wait for 4x ground pound, R2, Visceral, Sprint to Kos, charge R2, Visceral, Sprint to Kos, Charge R2, Visceral
Not even Vordt you can chain lock down.
>>344687872
>alonne
>shitty
>i haven't played DS2 the post
DS3 needs its alonne in the dlc to make it worth purchasing
>>344687926
i said running out of range instead of dodging multiple attacks in close range then punishing like a real man is being a pansy
holy fuck you are so retarded i refuse to believe you are not merely pretending at this point
just take your (you) and go
>>344687767
>s3 was just awful
>artorias alone beats ds3 as a whole really
did you even play the fucking game? Artorias is my favorite boss of all time but come the fuck on.
>>344687949
I mean headless bloodletting beast, sorry, I haven't played BB since jan. But I keep ebrietas
tfw I died the most in my playthrough tooMicolash
>>344686950
I get the feeling that the people who had excessive trouble with this fight either had ridiculously slow weapons or were continually triggering the First Phase's Ancient Dragon Breath attack.
I killed Rom in my first try.
But to be fair i killed evry possible boss you can kill before you fight him Disregarding the DLC.
Which i only ran thru to get the weapons and actually beat before i fought the Moon presence.
And i used the Wirlgig Blade.
>>344688197
>headless bloodletting beast
you literally use the same strategy as darkbeast...
>>344682432
People rightfully complained about Rom because her meteor attack had ridiculous tracking that couldn't be consistently evaded. That was eventually patched out and now she's not that bad.
>>344683560
no one has ever claimed that gaping dragon is difficult
>>344688219
>jump down
>call of the beyond as you're falling down
>die
Excellent boss design, 10/10
>>344688140
forgetting the different between difficulty and boss quality? nice meme
you literally just described how to intentionally cheese each boss instead of playing the game as intended
KAPRA DEMON IS THE WORST BOSS IN THE SERIES
>look above boss gate
>throw firebombs
WOOOOW, SHIT FIGHT
The normal version of Rom was reasonable, but the chalcie version gave me a lot of trouble for some reason.
>>344688197
Ebreitas wasn't any harder than other "hit it's legs or tendrils of whatever the fuck it is" huge creatures like one reborn, vicar amelia
Either Ludwig or Laurence takes that crown, I've never heard anyone having trouble with Ebreitas before
>>344688252
>And I used the boss melter
fixed that for you
>>344688392
That's probably where 90% of the deaths against him occur. It's really hard to avoid unless you've practiced evading that attack a lot.
>>344688392
>wait a second, i'll use plunging attack!
>he runs to the side
>a call beyond
>>344688279
fill up his hole with your burial blade senpai
>>344688246
>whenever i run under him he 1 shots me from above
>i will not learn from this and continue to do it
these are the people that die to nameless king
>>344688432
>throwing firebombs over foggate to avoid fight is equivalent to fighting a boss legit
Literal retard.
>>344688392
i have literally never seen him do this and i have killed him over 20 times
i dont get it
>>344688279
not really, he has different attack patterns and his hitboxes were 100% fucked, he hit me with that attack when he slams with his fists miles away
>>344688452
Never had problems with Ludwig though, beat him on 2nd try, Laurence the same, used that OP saw from DLC. I always get raped by ebrietas tho
>>344688160
Alonne was objectively bad though. All of his attacks had the same super easy timing and he didn't do anything interesting. The run to him is harder than the boss. He was so simple they must have just not given a shit.
>>344688762
>he hit me with that attack when he slams with his fists miles away
That definitely still happens some, I fight him pretty regularly.
>>344688616
>running away and waiting for a boss to use an easily punishable attack = not cheesing a boss fight
if you're gonna be such a fucking idiot that you think difficulty = boss quality then at least fight the bosses properly in manly close quarters combat you uncontested champion of morons
>>344687249
>nice meme
3 attacks and a meteor attack is good mechanics? the theme is nice thats it.
>its the best example of this sort of fight in any souls game
the best example lasts 15 seconds? it was a disappoint. its like they included a boss for the sake of it. it was a mob, nothing more.
>mergo is actually a really good fight if you do it around level 45-50
level is irrelevant, i beat the whole game a bl4, and it was still easy as shit. its visually amazing to look it, and the theme/tone is great, but the mechanics are too basic.
>is a fine fight, if we're saying its bad just because its not that hard
when did i mention difficulty you dumb hack? it has the same problem mergo does, looks great, but the fight consists of walking to the right and pressing r1.
>rom is a decent fight
rom is literally the same shit as undead giant, run in attack 1-2x, run out. assuming you dont rape her in phase 1 before she teleports, its boring.
>micolash is a great and fun experience that really spices up the game
its an annoying battle at best, i liked the lore of him and the theme, but it was practically a pvp battle were the host keeps on running away.
>so we're counting chalice ""Bosses""" now?
they're part of the game you stupid hack. you dont get to remove them because they dont fit your preconceived notion of "bloodborne bosses"
>content blah blah
what does this have to do with anything you tard? for the record i like chalice dungeons, and bb is my favorite souls game. chalices for extending pve content which i primarily play souls games for.
>you're a fucking retarded memer who thinks the whole point of the game is difficulty
show me in my original post were i said that. if i was complaining about difficulty. i would have added ameila, laurence/cleric, bsbt, paarl, and eldar to the list, but i didn't because they're fun to fight, along with good themes to boot.
kill yourself sonyngger.
>>344688857
If devs leave an obvious oversight like stagger chaining then it is not well designed.
>>344685705
Same, but that was because I finished all the Kalpas and had Dante in my party by that point.
>>344686756
Faggots love the Artorias fight because he fights like Berserk armour Guts.
Manus and Kalameet were far superior boss fights
>>344688932
>Kill yourself sonygger
Outed yourself as an assmad pcuck
You'll never ever get to play Bloodborne Unless you stop being retarded and pick up a PS4 of course.
>>344687059
Yhorm would be an excellent boss fight if they didn't choose to add the Storm Ruler at the last second.
The fight was designed without it, and I feel they only added it at the last minute after play-testing.
>>344688932
bb had flaws, true, but the worst bosses/flaws in bloodborne were miles better than the worst fuckups in the other games
also
>kill yourself sonyngger.
why do I get the sense that you haven't even played the game?
>>344682432
going to post this once again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bW5LDJiXyU
>>344689136
Artorias is what started bosses being overly aggressive.
>>344689245
How would he be an excellent boss fight? It's just another "attack it's legs: giant edition" boss fight
>>344686017
I'm going to admit something: I have played DeS all the way to NG+5 and have NEVER beat Flamelurker without using the same glitch to kill him. If you run to the left of the arena, there is a giant ass skeleton and you can glitch him to where he'll run against it for the whole fight. I've never beaten him without this method. I'm not proud of it but his charged up state really pisses me off.
>>344689353
Yeah. I like Artorias and all but most bosses are just like him in the games that came after.
>tfw no rtsr in bloodborne
>>344687249
Chalice shit in general just makes me mad in general. More content instead of that shit would be highly welcome, since it's such a fucking dreadful experience usually. Randomly generated shit is so much worse than anything in the souls series, even izalith is better. And some of the """""bosses""""" in there has to be a fucking joke without a punchline.
Also, some of those bosses are pretty fucking bad regardless of whatever notion it presents. Celestial is literally a mob of shitty enemies with one of them turning into a bigger and harder hitting shitty enemy. It's just bad.
Failures is pretty shit in that it's a multi-boss fight with projectiles and no regard for the amount of the fuckers already shooting, and it reminds me of 4kids in how it's a DPS race, so you better have built either tanky as fuck or glass-cannon to keep up without having to dance for ten minutes.
Rom is ass, and there's no justification for a fight with additional enemies that can one-shot with a fucking leap attack like the small spiders have.
Micolash is interesting the first few times and then is a pile of shit since it's all about the presentation and not much substance as a fight, unless you get turned on by getting blown up by A Call Beyond every now and then.
Mergo is just a haze for me, I have no idea how that fight even goes half the time, I just know that wailing on the damn thing until an attack and sidestep works until the scond half, then it's a tossup.
Laurence a shit.
Ebrietas and Ludwig can both suck my dongle for those charge attacks that are impossible to dodge reliably. I literally have to just go up and face tank Ebrietas since I get one-shotted if she catches me during a step, and having to use 2 vials are better than having to start over.
Witches are a pile of bum. Last time I fought them they didn't even get an offensive spell off and it was just a chase to find the fuckers and then blow em up.
Most of the bosses in BB are overrated. Still decent.
>>344689392
It's actually attack his head and hands: giant edition. Have you even fought him yet? He takes no damage from the legs.
Head has 300% damage modifier, and head/hands causes stagger.
>>344689509
I didn't play bloodborne, the post
>>344689595
I did, he took no damage from the legs so I noticed an item on the back and killed him with the storm ruler
Didn't know about the head and hands though, I thought they would make his legs weaker if it weren't for the storm ruler
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>>344689751
After a stagger you can do a riposte that does 2000 damage. Yhorm (without storm ruler) is a really good fight, and I suggest everyone try it.
It doesn't take that much longer and sometimes can be faster than just using stormruler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQLNkC_lXeo
>>344689136
Manus was a better fight but I strongly disagree about Kalameet, it was one of the lamest fights in the whole game imo.
>>344689641
Any time somebody says "oneshot" I know I can stop reading.
and DeS boss.
capra demon especially in dark souls, like, you struggle with that? turn off the game, O&S will wreck you in about a week when you even get that far.
>>344690097
Kalameet was decent, but Sinh is great. Just a shame you have to play DS2 to fight him.
>>344690208
*any
fucking keyboard.
>>344690167
t. levels vitality
>>344689641
That's funny, I could have sworn I did two playthroughs of it, the second one including the DLC. I guess if I criticize BB I've either not played it and/or I'm a PCuck right?
Sound argument.
>>344688934
if you abuse stagger chaining you can kill any boss in the souls series
>not vordt lol hes the best boss in the whole series
stagger chaining is a choice you are making to ruin your boss fight
vordt is un-optionally bad
"go behind me and hit my rectangular ass"
thats literally it
soundtrack was neat, thats it
>>344689509
like i said emissary is not the shining star of bloodborne and is one of my two bad bosses
>>344689509
4kids was alright, multi-boss fights can be good and failures is proof of it
>rom is ass because i didnt keep track of the spiders around me
thats the whole point of the fight though, spatial awareness
>micolash is interesting the first few times
and thats what the game is built to be
fun enough to play 3-4 times and if you really like it play some more
i played through 23 times so far, and im currently doing a playthrough
call beyond is easily avoidable and the fight is just average after the first few times
>laurence a shit
>good intense lore fight with some neat abilities surprising cripple mode and awesome visuals and god tier ost
>a shit
>ebrietas and ludwig suck because im not good at dodging their attacks
wew lad, theyre both consistently dodgable
git
>witches are a pile of bum
yep one of my 2 no good bosses
>>344690373
>Complaining about oneshots
>Being a real man man and gimping your build by ignoring health
Pick one
>>344690481
replying to >>344689509 bait
>>344690481
>if you abuse stagger chaining you can kill any boss in the souls series
I'm waiting for you tell me of a boss you can chain stagger like Maria and Kos. I laugh at the fact you think r1,r1, l2 is a lot of work and "going out of my way" to cheese a boss.
You can't.
Also good job putting words in my mouth, I said Vordt can't be chain staggered like those two. Which makes him much better designed than those two.
Keep being a biased bloodborne fag that sees the game as literally perfect 10/10 no flaws.
>>344690167
Ebrietas charge kills you if you don't level vitality and play an arcane starting build and fuck up the dodge, thanks to the whole counter-hit property applying to players as well.
And leveling vitality is a thing I don't really do in any of the games. I prefer busting shit up really quickly andgitting gudso as to not get fucked, normally. Unless I go a greatshield build just to absolutely prance through any Dark Souls game, at least DaS1.
>>344690605
Why would I trivialize the game and level vit? Do you use magic builds and summon too anon?
>>344682432
Rom is just a test of patience, she can't do jack if you kill her minions one by one first. Her chalice version can be tricky though.
>>344690759
>Claims to be a real man
>Finds greatshield builds easier than 2handing (or playable at all, god just play lords of the fallen)
Something's not adding up anon.
>>344690724
if hes working that hard on his bait hes earning the (you)s
>>344690759
it should, dodge it
also arcane and magic are a novelty in the souls series and mainly building them is an extra challenge
>>344690749
stagger chaining will always be an option that you have to try to do
also
>stamina
lawl
vordt will always be #1 in the series huh
bloodborne has its flaws
the blood vial system is objectively worse than the estus system
otherwise, yeah 10/10 perfect no flaws
>>344690963
Do you know how to read?
>>344690963
shields of any kind are for pussies, bloodborne gets it
>>344691005
>vordt will always be #1 in the series huh
There you go again, at this point it's just piss-poor bait.
You have no arguments and are defending poorly designed fights because you're biased towards the game.
>>344690759
"The game is hard when I play hardmode and not balanced around my gimped playstyle so it's not well designed!"
This is what I'm talking about when I say I disregard people who complain about oneshots. You made the choice to play like a real man, so don't turn into a pussy and bitch about it on the internet when it's too much for you.
>>344687059
I wanted to disagree with you, but I can't. Good list
>>344691170
you think vordt is mechanically amazing because you consider mechanics to be nothing more than how hard they are to cheese
if you play the game as intended vordt is a shit boss because his moveset is so shallow and his only saving grace is his ost in the second half
its like being raped
>>344691292
My bad, I'll level 99 vit next time to survive the charge.
>>344691424
Dodging his charges was ok. He's a decent second boss.
>>344687059
alright
nameless king is crap, replace him with abyss watchers
>ancient dragon
>not terrible
what
>>344691467
you have 2 options
get the 20 vit it takes to live
or dodge imbecile
>>344689214
>>344689263
heres my current character, would you like a picture of my plat next? why is bloodborne immune to any form of criticizing? are you going to say byrgenwerth was better than ds2 level design? despite being a literal line to the boss?
>>344691547
if he had more health and more attacks he'd be good, hes sub par
>>344691424
Regardless if he's easy and trivial, he can't be abused using simple game mechanics like stagger or gun parry. Cheesing is going out of your way either using summons, exploits or overleveled builds. Using in game functions like R1 or L2 is hardly cheesing. Every reply I've gotten from you shows me more and more how dumb you are.
is bloodborne good? is it better than dark souls?
>>344691558
>abyss watchers
>good
You have no right to talk about bosses anymore.
>>344691292
Trust me on this, I've tried dodging that charge attack lots of times, and I can't see the difference between a successful dodge or one where I get caught by her tentacles near the end of my i-frames. I cannot for the life of me figure out if I'm too early or too late. The one advice I've gotten is to literally unlock the camera and regular roll my ass outta there, with the reasoning being that with lock-on the quickstep bends into her or some shit. If that's a thing the game actually expects of me, when it's such an obtuse fucking mechanic, then yes I'll be pissed. Quickstepping seems in every way to be a superior way to dodge, so why the fuck should using the alternative be a thing that's expected out of a player without any hints towards that being the case?
I'll admit I don't know if that's actually the way to do it, haven't played since I read that advice, but fuck me if that's the case.
>>344691613
then you're just an edgy kid, also
>ds2 level design
atleast try
>>344691740
mostly yes, even ds3 took elements from it
I just ordered Dark Souls 2 SotFS and it's getting delivered tomorrow. It's the only Souls game I haven't played yet, the rest I've completed 100%.
Will it be fun?
Everything whiners bitched about in Dark Souls 3.
>>344682432
https://youtu.be/7AUcuYGUkpA
>>344686950
dude you try that boss with a fucking 2h str build
shits fucking annoying as fuck.
it's pure luck if you beat him.
you have to guess if his combo will carry on or you can attack him. pure guess work.
>>344691857
like dragging your dick through glass
>>344691740
Debatable, if you like faster combat than BB is your game. BB made your character faster, but for some reason left bosses and mobs the same speed as Dark Souls. With Old Hunters now being a thing there is Z E RO reason not to get this game if you have a ps4. I'd argue with base BB there is no reason to get the game, but Old Hunters alone makes this game worth getting
>>344691613
Byrgenwerth is better than DS2 level design. It's the payoff to the shaded woods, it doesn't exist in a bubble, retard.
>>344691857
It has gameplay flaws that none of the other games had. You'll know what I mean when you start trying to roll through attacks.
>>344691826
Step one: Notice the charge
Step two: Quickstep twice
Optional Step: Git
>>344691838
Forbidden Woods - > Byrgenwerth is the Earthen Peak -> Iron Keep of BB.
Nameless King, Soul of Cinder and Princes.
>>344688128
Yeah, it's from Bleach. Me and your mom watch it while I bareback her loose ass ;3
I think all these games are good (ds2 less so but I don't really play for pvp). but i'm kinda glad that from is retiring the series for now.
I feel the combat needs to reworked in the next installment. I just think pressing the b button a lot or shielding is getting kind of stale.
>>344686950
THIS seriously people were hyping this shit as the hardest boss in the series.
What the fuck, as a person who has played bloodborne this doesn't even come close to Orphan and Ludwig.
The dragon is a complete and total joke and the king himself is SLOW, what the fuck guys?
Nameless king with a INT build jesus fuck no boss could be easier in the game.
Out of all the bosses in DS3 Twin Princes and Pontiff at least had some shock value and good sountracks. Nameless king was cool because it was Gwyn's boy but for real, his song SUCKED and he was so god damn SLOW. Fucking space ace theme killed the boss thematically.
When fucking cripple prince is faster than you
you know you got a problem.
Nameless kings song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX43op0oOD8
>>344692202
>poll from the gamefaqs bb forum
Just stop.
>>344690963
>>344690963
Nigger building greatshield build in DaS1 is literally "CAN'T LOSE UNLESS YOU TRY" mode. Artorias greatshield or anything better and you can block pretty much every attack in the game sans grabs and some select aoe shit. Kalameet is a fucking joke with such a build since even his flame attacks don't budge me. There is literally nothing that can catch me ass-end into bullshit unless I let it.
I did that build once in an all bosses speedrun race, just to show off how safe of a build it was.
Didn't win of course, since the shit's slow as hell in terms of doing any kind of damage, but I didn't die to anything, which helped a lot.
>>344691975
The bosses in BB were way more hardcore as a baseline than the other games. If you werent a vampire you would get your shit pushed in. The thought of fighting BB bosses as a DS1 (or god forbid...DS2) character makes my unborn children cry tears of blood.
>>344692043
Is it better to dump a lot levels in that one stat or should I just get used to having very little iframes? I usually go heavy armor + UGS and roll through everything but I guess that's going to be difficult in 2.
>>344691613
burgerworth was a mini-zone and you're comparing it to an entire game
>>344691740
yes and yes, unless you're really into shields, if you're into 2h and dw type play you'll love it
the theme is just 100x better imo too
>>344691678
i dont care if hes easy
his moveset
is shallow
staggerchaining is
OPTIONAL and it IS CHEESING, not sure how hard it is to get that through your head, down syndrome is worse than i thought
spamming gun parry is an optional choice to ruin gameplay just like spamming shield parry is in dark souls
>stagger chaining
>not an exploit
WEW
>>344691818
he was easily the most inspired, interesting, and fun boss fight in DaS3 next to only the twin princes, DaS3s best fight
>>344691857
its certainly underrated, the pvp is best in the series
its no bloodborne or DaS1, but its a good game, enjoy it and have fun
>>344691929
i first beat him 2nd try at SL 75 NG+ because i didn't google how to get to archdragon peak like you scrubs did with a profaned greatsword STR build
>>344692202
there are people who said DaS3
how stupid
>>344682432
Both bosses from the Ni-Oh demo. Fuck it the entire goddamn demo.
>>344692402
>The bosses in BB were way more hardcore as a baseline than the other games.
I disagree, sorry. I only found 3 bosses in the game to be any good, and by good I mean well designed. Not difficult. None of the fights in these game are inherently difficult.
>>344691613
No idea why retards like you shit on Byrgenwerth.
Valley of Drakes and Profaned Capital get a free pass for being miniscule areas with fuck-all going on yet Byrgenweth is constantly being branded as some DaS2-tier disaster purely for being small.
>>344689038
You could have a null all party and Mot could still rape you into the next world. It's all about him not going into extra turn induced power trip not you being underleveled or unprepared.
>>344691857
basically the pve is pretty shit in the base game only really good levels are blighttown
darker edition and the levels leading up to the first major lord soul.
the bosses aren't really creative.
enemy variety is severely lacking.
game looks like its made out of plastic.
the dlc levels are 8/10 but smattered with a bit of shit.
>>344692307
That was from the DaS3 forum.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/168566-dark-souls-iii/73978702
>>344692535
yet ds2 was the perfect game amirite?
>>344692538
this
>>344692402
Like stated above, I'd just go greatshield. Greatshields are laughably broken in DaS1, and unless BB bosses would do shittons of stamina damage through shields then they'd all be impotent to the power of a greatshield as well.
>>344692665
>yet ds2 was the perfect game amirite?
Absolutely not, I'm not sure why would anyone consider that with it's floaty combat. Regardless what you think, me not liking most of the bosses in BB doesn't make me a DaS2 fag. Stop being so insecure.
>>344692374
>Claimed to be a no vit real man
>Thinks blocking with a shield is easier than fast rolling
It's still not adding up
>>344692524
ni-oh demo was disappointing as hell, i was hyped for it, glad they let me play it first though
>>344692713 greatshields are good for no fun
you are in charge of the next souls stlye game.
how would you change the combat?
>>344692824
then what would be good souls bosses?
>>344689402
I can beat Flamelurker, but it's Maneater I cheese by killing the first one before entering the fog door. I was able to beat him through the skin of my teeth the first and maybe second time, but since NG+2 I can't do it normally. Their attack patterns are too hard to read and I can't stand when I get knocked off the ledge.
>>344692402
If I could play BB as a DaS1 character, I'd have so much fun. The game would be actually challenging
>>344692448
I just level it until my agi is 90 (or 91? cant remember the softcaps) and it's enough. It's still like wading through water for the whole game, but the iframes are adequate.
>>344692917
Ds3 with proper poise
>>344692402
But I played DaS2 first and it helped a lot in breezing through BB because I don't play with shields just dodge and sorcery. Yes that includes Old Hunters. The only thing that exacted difficulty with BB is the chalice dungeons on defiled.
Seriously dungeons defiled I think is the most played area in my game because it actually made me excited and I'm really loving it because it feels like the create a custom game/skirmish. The hate for chalice is way too strong.
>>344692935
This list really: >>344687059
>>344692510
Shit burgerwerth isn't even a mini zone, its the final bit of the shaded woods.
>>344693067
but it has bb bosses too, anon
>>344693157
I didn't say I didn't like all the bosses, just most of them.
>It's a guide users/overlevelers act like every boss in every souls game is easy and that they've never had a single struggle in the games episode
>>344692917
literally just like bloodborne, downscale the damage on viscerals/parrys nerf stagger a wee bit largely and buff STR weapon in pve since skill is objectively the best pve
>>344692935
don't think he has any since he cant differentiate god tier and good and has his standards set too high to the point where pretty much everything will disappoint probably a contrarian just here to bring bad vibes
>i didnt like maria orphan of kos gehrman micolash or ebrietas, any of them for that matter
this is his issue
>>344693220
fuck you dood
>>344692538
Valley of Drakes is barely even a proper zone, it just connects New Londo start and end, the forest and Blighttown.
Profaned capital and Byrgenwerth are a much better comparison. Profaned Capital has shit tons more going on though, since it has the branch towards freeing Siegward, the scroll and NPC fight as well as a path back to Irithyll dungeon, along with the hand enemies, then the main branch toward the boss with some gargoyles and casters, with the mimic among them.
Compared to Byrgenwerth, wich is about 5 or so mosquito fuckers or whatever, a brainsucker, some of those centipede things and a hunter fight. It's a neat place, but it has less things going on there than Profaned capital for sure.
>>344693345
just don't reply to them
>>344693345
/thread, let it die now
>>344693345
>it's a "Souls game is hard" meme episodes
I feel like everyone brought on after Dark Souls 2 is cancer. These games were never about being difficult, it was about exploring a new world and solving challenging puzzles.
>>344692535
>>344693056
>Missing the point entirely.
I'm not saying bloodborne is the harder game. I'm saying the timing is tuned to your characters ability in each game.
>>344693417
>He doesn't like my <my favorite boss> he's a contrarian!!
It's like I'm really on /v/ right now.
>>344693520
they are actually aboutfun
>>344692856
Because holding L1 is easier than timing the rolls in the same way breathing air is easier than timing the rolls. It's not fun compared to rolling though. Or blasting ass with a high-damage build. Definitely easier though.
>>344693635
>mfw will never fight artorias again for the first time
>>344691984
a level that consists of a straight path with a useless shortcut is not better than ds2 level design, its the exact same.
>>344692538
they're both bad, why is this hard to understand?
again, can no one criticize this game? inb4
>but ur points are little
doesnt matter, a point is a point, weather you like it or not your game is not immune to review.
>>344693442
but profaned capital is just
>a couple gargoyles
>3 mobs of deacon type guys
>>344693520
This right here. Especially when everyones bitching about so-and-so boss because it isn't a traditional duel, like different bosses can't test different aspects of the game.
>>344693520
Yes we've all seen the Matthewmatosis video, now fuck off.
>>344693720
>mfw will never fight gehrman again for the first time
>>344693815
>haha prepare to die xDDD
>git guddd!!! x333
Can you go back to r/gaming?
>>344682432
>Rom took my 2 hours
>I killed Ludwig, Amelia, and Orphan on my first attempt
I don't know what to think
>>344689975
That's actually really neat. I'll do that next time I play it.
>>344693935
Rom takes a long time if you try to zerg it and ignore mobs, sometimes you get lucky, but if you're level appropriate the fight takes a bit long and you're at risk of getting insta-gibbed by a spider unless you have 30+ vit.
It's better to take it slow and meticulously kill all the spiders each phase.
>>344693657
But fast rolling isn't hard and if you aren't a baddy you'll always be in a better position if you roll instead of block. That's my point. To a good player, rolling is not harder than blocking and leads to a much smoother kill.
>>344693935
was it pre-patch rom?
understandable
>>344693725
>they're bad because I say so and it's a valid point
fuck off already
>>344689975
>didn't use Stormruler
>Onion bro appeared and solo'd Yhorm
Didn't even know he was going to show up. He just appears in the cutscenes. It was pretty great
>>344694119
Ignore the shitposter anon, it's the best you can do.
>>344693934
>implying this shit didn't start with DaS1
If you started with DaS1 you're cancer incarnate.
>>344694119
he wont fuck off until you say you hated the entire souls series and never had fun with it once ever
>>344693836
I just let him execute my characters now and delete them. Feels like setting them free.
>>344693934
I know the games aren;t about being bullshit hard, but don't fucking lie on the internet about how easy the game is when all you've used are guides and overleveled as fuck. That shit is just as annyoing as the gitgud/fuckcasuls faggots.
Grotesquerie Queen, too
>>344693736
If you discount the entire lower branch of it yes. But that'd be retarded. The entire sludge part with the hand-heads and the NPC fight on the roof is part of Profaned capital. Did you not find that area or something?
>>344688140
>Tell me a fight in DaS3 where you can keep the boss locked forever like you can Maria and Kos.
Not him but you can stunlock the Abyss Watcher way more than Orphan of Kos.
>>344682432
Defiled Amygdala
EZ
>>344694259
>when all you've used are guides and overleveled as fuck
nice projecting faggot
these games are all about problem solving and critical thinking
monster hunter monsters shit on every boss in these series
>>344694224
>implying this shit didn't start with DeS
if you started with DeS you're r/cancer
>>344693532
I see. I apologize for the wrong rebuttal then.
But still I don't get the hate for the chalice. It's what I want in a "souls" game after all the iteration a custom "room" that I can fuck around.
Just to add I really liked DaS2 in general just to throw that one around too. Haven't got to DaS3 yet but I hope there's some chalice counterpart.
>>344694389
yep, ds2 fags got this thread for good,here's your (you)
>>344694381
I was waiting for this post
Abyss Watchers can be staggered after 2 R1s and parried, but will also sometimes hyperarmor through some R1s! Making it not as reliable as Maria stagger or Kos chainstabbed. Believe me this was the first thing I tried when I saw he could be staggered so easily.
>>344693520
>it was about exploring a new world and solving challenging puzzles.
It's funny because DaS2 has the most puzzles and people constantly shit on it for that reason.
>>344694376i didn't find it, s-s-shut up guideuser
>>344694098
I agree, but the whole point I'm making is that without consideration of speed or whatever, greatshield is just easier. Heck, you don't need to run away from some of the AoE attacks at all and can start swinging as soon as it hits instead of having to run back in, so even that is subjective.
I still agree fastrolling is mostly better though, just not easier.
>>344694574
whenever i see him i want to remove his head then fill his hole with my burial blade l2
>>344694439
Don't fuck with me kid...
>>344694472
No Souls boss will ever require this much coordination and skill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVAHk6acSW8
>>344694443
I like the chalices too, but for a different reason. Bloodborne is like a huge melting pot of all things Lovecraft, and if there wasn't a labyrinthine tomb of the gods to poke around in it just wouldn't have been complete. It's a neat sideshow and just doing it up to the Queen is a decent helping. I don't have any interest in doing more than that, but I'm glad it's there.
>>344694565
It's fine if you didn't, I'm just sad you didn't save Siegward. Gotta save your bro man.
>>344694574
I feel that hot dog of the old lords is harder.
I would rank it by difficulty:
Watchdog -> Amygdalla -> Headless -> BurgerLettuceBeast
>>344687059
O&S are fucking awful. They're difficult in the most tedious way or absolute pushovers otherwise.
>>344694913
i had an easy time with hotdog defiled
defiled amy sucked cock and was a terrible fight
>>344694947
here come the replies
>>344694551
DS2 had puzzles? The world certainly wasn't one. Shulva was good, but other than that...I'm drawing a blank on puzzles.
>>344694809
Eh, as a MH player I would agree but you're still missing the point. Souls games aren't designed to be hard, it's more about the journey than it is about the difficulty. They're only claim to fame is to not be as hand-holdy as other popular games. For some reason that got misconstrued as difficult.
As a MH player, you're likely use to encounter a boss for the first time, and then just dodging and learning their moveset. Where your average gamer would just jump in and hit R1 and get upset at getting hit.
MH isn't comparable to Souls, please stop shitposting.
>>344694947
>They're difficult in the most tedious way or absolute pushovers otherwise.
That's every boss lol
>>344694809
you do see that he just used some type of charged attack with a bit of range like dragon king weapons from ds1 then all he just did was, attack, go back, wait 5 seconds, then do it again, right?
>but he did it for 7 minutes
Huge hp for no reason is artificial difficulty just like ds2 and is in no way good design
>>344695083
Well, what are puzzles in the other games in your opinion?
>>344695316
>Huge hp for no reason is artificial difficulty just like BB*
>>344694809
>>344694809
>posting the easiest MH weapon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knHxBU2KMd0
Would have been a better example desu
>>344687059
Add These
>Flamelurker
>Maneaters
>Gargoyles
>Aava
>Fume
>Alonne
>Sinh
>Elana (fuck you I liked it)
>Gerhman
>OoK
>Vicar Amelia
>Dragonslayer Armor
>Abyss Watchers
>Pontiff
>Champion Gundyr
>Soul of Cinder
Remove These
>Blue Smelter (yea it's fun, but thats only because they literally reskinned an already good boss and you had to pay money for it, fucking unacceptable)
>Ancient Dragon
>>344695456
boy, you sure told me, stop moving the goalposts retard
>>344695314
Most other bosses don't rely on you kiting the shitty AI around broken pillars for 10+ minutes while you constantly fight with the lock on camera.
>>344693417
>literally just like bloodborne
Ever notice how Bloodborne is the least talked about game, PvP-wise? Nobody plays Bloodborne for PvP, because that PvP is single-handedly the worst out of the entire series.
>>344695696
>while you constantly fight with the lock on camera.
theres your problem
stop using that in souls games
>>344695565
id only agree at removing ancient dragon
>>344695715
>Nobody plays Bloodborne for PvP, because that PvP is single-handedly the worst out of the entire series.
You must be retarded or baiting
>>344695715
DELETE THIS POST
BLOODBORNE IS 10/10 FUCK OFF PKEK
POST YOUR PSN AND PLATNIUM RIGHT FUCKING NOW
>>344695675
I'm not even the same guy who linked the video. When Fume Knight has 10k hp while being slow, but Orphan of Kos has fucking 19k hp while being extremely mobile and you have to dodge constantly, it's not DaS2 that has the biggest health inflation problem.
>>344695219
>They're only claim to fame is to not be as hand-holdy as other popular games. For some reason that got misconstrued as difficult.
I play the PC community. Hell even the DaS1 port was called "Prepare to Die". DeS threads never had the "Git gud" shitposting.
>>344696183
you know you can visceral Ook, right? that's why he has that much hp
>>344696379
Why would I want to cheese the game?
>>344696482
(you)
bye
