WHY DIDN'T YOU BUY TSUBASA'S GAME?!
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WHY DIDN'T YOU BUY TSUBASA'S GAME?!
because I want to have demons kick me in the nuts for not giving them a potion, not be an idol
>>344672930
Buying it in a few weeks.along with a WiiU
but I did. It's really good too. If a bit slow because of those concentrated cinematics moments and grind.
idol culture is shit
>>344672930
It was censored, so the people working on it didn't deserve to make money on it.
>>344672930
Idol shit. Censorship was just the nails in the coffin.
NoA made the american version
>>344672930
Because of the shitty localization. Changing content is one thing but going the extra mile to make silly changes like having JP VAs re-record dialogue to reflect the changed ages or changing an entire dungeon to remove the gravure theme WHILE AT THE SAME TIME not going the extra mile to subtitle the combat dialogue, you know, the main thing a localization should be trying to do? That's stupid.
Thankfully Wii U piracy is piss easy.
Do we have sales figures yet?
>no Tsubasa porn
Japan has failed me
>>344673217
At this point you're better off waiting for the NX reveal to see if it's backward compatible.
>>344673730
No they didn't.
>>344673838
Reminder that if you pirated this gane because of """"censorship"""" you are equal than a nigger that "finds" an iPhone nd should give it back
Give it back Jerome, piracy makes you nigger
>>344673934
Debuted at number fucking 18 on the UK sales charts, so not good. US figures come out in 3 days IIRC.
>>344674103
Kill yourself, stupid phone poster.
>>344674103
Calling me a nigger isn't going to make me buy your censored game, Atlus-kun.
>>344672930
No thanks Tsubasa.Gimme your friend with the orange skirt and leggings.
Censorship is bullshit.
Would the game even have gone beyond a T if they didn't cut all that shit? I don't think so.
>credits roll
>NoA localization: Nich Maragos
I'm enjoying the game, but I wonder how similar it is to Persona since I've never played one, but the overall look is similar.
How do you guys think the battle system is compared to Persona?
>>344674641
persona's battle system follows the same "exploit weakness" system except you get an extra turn instead of triggering a chain attack like in #fe. i found #fe's system a lot better and more engaging overall.
>>344674641
It's mechanically more of an SMT game with Fire Emblem thrown in. It's only "Persona" if you think Persona is defined by bright colors.
>>344674210
>>344674295
Calling it censored wont make you white again
>>344672930
Because I've started too many RPGs I still need to finish (Fire Emblem Fates, Final Fantasy IX, Xenoblade, KOTOR 2)
You know the only reason it didn't have a dub is because they either couldn't find voice actors who could sing or the voice actors/singers would've cost way too much.
>>344675013
Well I mean the character building system, with certain Mirages/demons tied to characters, seems much more like what I imagine Persona to be than the SMT mainline games I've played
Remember to report shitposting threads
>>344675216
It's censored. There's no other way to spin it.
>play Strange Journey
>get material known as Forma
>material in #FE is known as Performa
What the fuck, Atlus. If you're going to make a reference to SJ, at least say something about it.
>>344675361
>Mirages are demons
Your weapons fill the role of demons. You fuse them from other demons and use that fusion to build a party that performs how you want it to. Characters and their mirages are just a consistent graphical receptacle of the old demon fusion system.
do you get anything worthy by negotiating with demons at the arena?
>>344673948
I don't know, I found a really good deal for a barely used WiiU, and I still have some Wii titles I've never played.
>>344672930
>censored
>only like one or two chars I like
>gameplay's basically Persona
>story is boring
>no romance options
>poor FE fanservice attempts
I didn't even want to put the disc in my Wii U anymore I gave up on it so much.
>>344675556
Censorship doesnt make the game bad, the game itself is bad, censored or not.
So stop saying censorship made you steal this game Jerome
I got Tikis game instead
>>344676031
Censorship made me not buy it, and there's no insult you can call me that will make me shill out 60 dollars for your failed game.
>>344676084
I got Awakening too, it was pretty nice.
>>344676031
>the game itself is bad
Nah
In fact, the game being good is why I could overlook the censorship, which turned out to be irrelevant as usual
>>344676031
But it's not bad at all.
>>344676283
Can you teach Tiki how donuts taste in Awakening?
>>344675590
#FE team is the same as SJ team, isn't it?
>>344672930
Because idolshit is irredeemable garbage marketed towards the very bottom of the barrel.
>>344672930
BECAUSE I'M STILL FUCKING POOR.
GOD DAMN IT.
GIVE ME UNTIL THE END OF THE WEEK, I SWEAR I'LL BUY IT THEN.
PLEASE.
>>344672930
I wanted FExSMT and they made something else instead
>>344676197
>>>344676031 (You)
>Pobertymade me not buy it, and there's no insult you can call me that will make me shill out 60for the iPhone I got
You are starting to sound like a realnigger
>>344676850
>someone is a dick and dragons are back and out to destroy the world from tokyo
What exactly were you expecting?
>>344676907
not him, but :^)
> Maiko gets kidnapped
> she's shown lying down on the couch unconscious in japanese version
> localized US version has her sitting straight up being frozen instead of unconscious
> same story arc
> Tsubasa is suppose to overcome her shyness to show off extremely revealing clothing in the japanese version
> she takes off a lot to show off a bikini in the japanese version
> US cuck version has her putting on some hipster clothing
>>344677103
Not him, but (you)
>>344677089
#FE's plot is boring even compared to Shadow Dragon.
Gharnef wants to bring back Medeus just cuz.
Medeus wants to destroy Tokyo just cuz.
Medeus doesn't even get a single line, does he?
>>344677419
thanks, give me 30 minutes and i'll start up loadiine
>>344677089
pretty much what you described, just a TRPG crossover between the FE and SMT series
since this doesnt really have specific elements of either but more just general concepts (the returning characters from FE1/13 aren't much more than surface level fan service), i don't have much reason to buy the game anymore.
itd be different if i already owned a wiiu i guess, but a game like this just isnt really selling me on a whole console
>>344675410
Might as well report the whole forum lately.
>>344677529
>surface level fanservice
They are literally refugees from Arkaneia who escaped to another world to avoid a bad end.
>>344677489
DELETE THISSISS
> censor chest area in cutscene
> 5 seconds later, uncensored boss fight
They forced the devs to work on this stupid censorship... then they throw out the entire purpose of censoring in the first place and make all that work pointless.
>>344677689
stop please
why do you post?
>>344677405
>lets have character development centered around getting the character naked
i disagree with the solution in the fullest, but the original intent isnt really that appealing either
>>344677660
my mistake then
>>344677750
Why do you steal?
>>344677789
And then have her immediately forget this and be insufferably shy anyway. Tsubasa is shit and her storylines are really shitty excuses to get her into booby suits. They should have just made her indifferent to the demands of celebrity like the other characters.
>>344677709
But anon, that's the way the devs do "take that!" to the censors.
No, it was too censored.
>>344677789
I'm right at the part he's talking about. If you had played the game you would know why it makes sense.
>>344677789
> game story revolves around japanese idol culture
> rewrite story into some bullshit social anxiety after she is shown hanging around other people normally
Enjoy your shitty rewrite and censorship.
>>344677941
because i can, i wont justify it
i buy when i cant pirate, i pirate when i can
that applies to MS,Sony,Nintendo
no bias
Because I bought Mamori's game.
>>344677894
I was pleased they made sure the myrmidon knows about myrmidon bullshit.
What were the sales numbers? I need to know how badly it flopped.
>>344678073
the story doesn't revolve around japanese idol culture
>>344678073
Except she's then shown being incapable of dealing with other people and you have to go on a whole sidequest to make it so she doesn't freak out saying hello to them.
>>344678154
have another then
>>344672930
>Buying a product that has less content than a version I can get for free
>>344672930
because i downloaded it 6 months ago
>>344678040
im hearing conflicting opinions on how well it's executed, so would you care to explain your opinion?
>>344678343
It doesn't have less content though
>>344678519
>it doesn't have less content
:^)
>>344677660
>franchise rapefugees
>>344678639
it doesn't though? it was replaced by other content so you can't really say it has "less content". it'd be like saying the Japanese version has less content because it doesn't have the costumes we got instead of the bikinis.
Because it looks like Generic weeb game 145 and you need to stop making these threads.
>Chapter 2 starts
>Oh there's the bikini thing they changed
>intermission
>Kirya: Must kill cute things. Go to the photo dungeon.
>the pictures are all images of tokyo. Not a single modeling image anywhere.
You sure chose a great hill to die on.
>>344672930
No because anime games annoy the hell out if me, even though I enjoy watching it.
>>344672930
I don't have a SD card slot on my computer
>>344680083
it's like that in the original game
I PIRATED IT DUE TO CENSORSHIP
>>344680791
At least be honest and say you wanted to see teenage girl boobs in chapter 2 of 6.
>>344672930
Look at her dead eyes, and you tell me why.
>>344680895
>somebody was mad enough to make this
Those boobs were a totally important element to the story about the shadow dragon reviving and threatening Tokyo
>>344672930
Censorship
>>344681195
>being this mad because someone posted it
I won't buy it because my SD card arrives tomorrow and I'll just do that download hax shit
>>344681432
Have fun anon.
>>344681323
>being this mad because i responded to it
>>344681567
It's worth it
>>344679187
It's more apt to call most of the content watered down, which it is.
Though you are getting less content in the western version. No option for the hot spring dlc.
>>344672930
Censored Idol shit. I don't give a shit how you Mirragefags spin it, this would have been a better game had it just been a regular crossover.
>>344681210
The boobs have more a presence than the Shadow Dragon in the game.
Sometimes I wonder if you #FE fags even finished the game.
Waiting for that shit to go on sale, got a gift card in the vault with this game's name on it. I'll be buying this for around 15 bucks soon.
>>344681909
>Nintendo games
>sale
maybe like 5 bucks at most if you're lucky.
>>344682009
Yeah. Something tells me the game is going to turn into a pre-reprint Atlus game. There will be a big clearance sale then ebay prices will hit $100+
>>344682009
Not a problem, best buy GCU gives me a 20% off, plus a 5 certificate, and a gift card.
Most Nintendo games end up in the bargain bin unless they're Mario or Pokemon
>>344672930
>all the lying niggers in this thread claiming "censorship" is honestly what stopped them
Chances are they don't own a Wii U or weren't that interested anyways. The censorship reply is a meme so fags on here can feel like they're fighting the man while lying to themselves.
The real reason nobody wants to buy this game is that it's an idolshit RPG, and that doesn't have a market in the west. Look at it this way:
-Barely any fags own a Wii U already
-Now let's narrow it down to SMT or FE fans specifically that own a Wii U
-Now let's narrow that down further to SMT fans and FE fans that would actually enjoy overly cutesy idolshit moe fanservice garbage to begin with
And you're left with virtually nobody buying the game. Niche ass market, niche ass system, pandering dime-a-dozen garbage that any respectable person would stay away from. So you're left with basement dwellers that actually own a Wii U and have heard of/care about games like this. In other words, almost nobody.
>>344682339
>Chances are they don't own a Wii U
If you keep telling yourself that, it may become true.
>>344682339
>Chances are they don't own a Wii U or weren't that interested anyways
That's why /smtg/ and /feg/ are so asshurt about it, right?
>>344682573
Yes, I'm sure the "censorship" is what stopped this game from selling. Just like all the other games you guys get your ass all busted over when they add 10 pixels to a bikini that sell perfectly fine.
The number of people that legitimately didn't buy this game due purely to censorship probably doesn't break 4 digits.
>>344682772
And they're exactly the type of people to be asshurt and buy the game anyways.
You don't honestly think the majority of people whining about this shit actually boycott the games and never buy them, right?
>>344682772
They're asshurt because those are ultracancerous generals that are perpetually asshurt about everything. They get asshurt about their own mothership titles.
Just to piss off Tharjafag
>>344682903
Everyone I know pirated the game because of the censorship. It's actually the only game I've ever piratedthat wasn't emulated.
>put clothes on character
>their breasts suddenly become fucking massive
>>344683073
>Everyone I know pirated the game because of the censorship.
In other words, 1 person pirated the game because of censorship.
>>344682339
You sound extremely prejudiced anon. "Respectable people" don't actually care about the idol coating as long as the game is good. Which it is, since duh, it's an Atlus RPG.
I don't buy censored games.
>>344683057
>dont let media bullies and paid shills stop you
every time
>>344683073
>Everyone I knowWe're not your friends.
>>344683057
I'm not sure if that image gets better or worse with each successive post from top to bottom.
But that does make me wonder: what is it about this game that it has a very vocal minority? What even makes Tsubasa "stand out" all that much in the grand scheme of other available media?
Did the game sell as bad in the west as it did in animeland?
>>344674590
>>344683761
Wait, was this the guy who was responsible for P3 and P4's awful translation?
>>344683894
nobody knows until noa puts out sales figures which won't happen.
Because just looking at it evokes a primal rage inside of me, something i only felt with FFX
>>344672930
Because I got a superior version for free.
>>344683073
You live in the hood with pirate niggers? They are the only one that steals/pirate
>>344681567
Literally a single piece of dialogue at the very end of the game.
>>344683581
Nothing about the game indicates that it's good. Not that it looks awful, but it doesn't look exceptional in any way either. The main thing it is advertised for is cutesy idol shit. Only the bottom feeding idiots buy things for cute girls.
The "we only care about gameplay" meme is dead. We already know most of you don't buy games for gameplay. You've proven again and again that most of you are casuals.
>>344684012
I wasn't aware the official narrative was that those were awful translations now.
But I did buy it...used. That's not a problem is it?
>>344684204
It's functionally the same as pirating, only you lose money.
>tfw the entire reason I bought a Wii U was because of the very first trailer
Despite the bullshit censorship and the way the game turned out altogether, I might buy it anyways. Fuck.
>>344684191
Your assumptions about the game are based on your prejudices. On top of that, you end your post with several generalizations. I don't see any reason to take you seriously.
>>344684191
>play the game for the cute girls
>end up with a husbando
>>344684012
I think he was just the editor. I don't know what editors can do to a localization though.
>localize weeb game
>cut out weeb elements so normies will buy it
>as a result weebs don't buy it
>but JP audio only because songs are hard to translate
>as a result normies don't buy it
>>344684317
except it's not
>>344684194
They actually are really bad. P3 wasn't as bad as P4 but they were both wildly inconsistent with "localization" (as an example, both English and Japanese honorifics were used). There was also a fuck-ton of dialgoue reworked, and the honorifics used weren't used the same way in the original.
Why would i buy a weeb game for a console i don't have?
>>344684503
My assumptions about the game are based on the advertising. My post ends with generalizations that are true. The majority of the people on this board don't prioritize gameplay. This board's taste and choices in video games shows a distinct inclination towards casual fluffy busywork bullshit and aesthetics being more important than actual immersive gameplay.
Why do you think this board loves the entire MGS series except for MGSV? Because MGSV lacks the wacky Japanese aesthetic and silly anime plots of previous titles and instead focused on gameplay.
And ok, I don't care what the fuck you think or if you take me seriously or not. Fuck off.
>>344684813
>cut out weeb elements so normies will buy it
what?
>>344684940
Pirate:
>you spend no money
>you play the game without paying Nintendo
Buy used:
>you spend money
>you play the game without paying Nintendo
>>344678491
not that anon but...
the typical storyline is:
mirage possesses some artist
artist then starts draining energy and emotions from everyone around them and run into a dungeon
the party tracks them down
theres an initial interaction where the possessed person displays some sort of infatuation related to their art, to the point where they refuse to interact with the party trying to free them of possession
the party has to leave, learn something about that artform, and display an equal or greater example
they come back and unveil it, breaking the possession
then the party battles the mirage that started it
this is usually done in as over the top fashion as possible
in the gravure dungeon it's a photographer obsessed with Maiko because his best work was done with her and he refuses to work with inferior talent. the player then finds the photobook he made with maiko, a series of bikini pics. looking at maikos expressions tsubasa feels inspired enough to don a bikini, and go back and model for the possessed photographer.
except in the us version its book is pictures of maiko in a sundress--which is fine. but then for some reason tsubasa wears a ridiculous hip hop outfit. it doesn't make sense and its pretty obvious where they changed lines to fit the new censored plotline.
If it wasn't censored I would have bought it, or at least if I was unaware it was censored. Like maybe if they didn't show it uncensored in trailers and E3 gamplay demos and then hand me the kiddy table version.
>>344685272
Fanservice, references to J-Idol culture, etc
>>344684813
>weebs didn't buy the game due to censorship!
That's cute. Guess it's the first game after years of unsuccessful boycotts for censorship that actually worked.
Or, y'know, it failed for unrelated reasons.
>>344685386
yeah pantyshots and references to gravure, that's correct.
if you think the game magically stopped being a huge weebfest because of that you are one deluded nigger.
>>344685149
Any localization from Japanese to English that doesn't rework almost all the dialogue is going to be a bad one, anon. You have a valid point about retaining honorifics (though not necessarily about their usage, since that also has to be configured for mainstream English speakers), but you still get plenty of mouth breathers who freak out whenever someone removes them.
>>344685442
It failed because it's a weeb game that, due to censorship, appeals to neither weebs nor normies.
>>344685519
>Any localization from Japanese to English that doesn't rework almost all the dialogue is going to be a bad one, anon.
How do you browse 4chan without watching anime?
>>344685536
I think it mainly failed because this game was suppose to be a SMT X FE crossover which failed at being either, and by doing so it pretty much had no audience.
>>344683894
The next earnings release is the 27th actually so we'll know soon.
>>344685678
I hope you're not trying to claim anime is known for its quality subs.
>>344685518
rude!
>>344685735
I think that's what killed the biggest part of its audience and then they decided to just go ahead and kill the majority of what little remained with the censorship, leaving only a scant few.
How many chapts does this game have?
I'm on chapter 3 right now.
DAILY REMINDER
>>344673068
>I want to have demons kick me in the nuts for not giving them a potion
Demon negotiation is in the game.
>>344685536
You're going to have to accept that censorship has nothing to do with why this game failed. Even if they didn't censor a single thing, it would have had similar sales.
Games with complaints related to censorship never really suffer significant losses in sales. I don't see why this game would be any different, particularly considering how minor the censorship is.
The censorship part doesn't matter. That's the simple truth. The game failed for other reasons.
>>344685818
>watching Crunchyroll
>>344674132
I'm waiting for US sales since most Nintendo Games don't really do well in UK
>>344686024
I hope you're not trying to claim fansubs are better or, in fact, not just crunchyroll rips these days.
>>344686023
>removing huge amounts of cultural context
>minor
It's practically Revelations: Persona all over again.
>>344686004
Stop
>>344673838
>not going the extra mile to subtitle the combat dialogue
Seems you don't know shit about localization. That would require changing the code drastically, and often produces bugs in games that do it.
>changing an entire dungeon to remove the gravure theme
Which has literally no effect on the story, so outside of not getting bikinis, why is it a problem?
Why does this game draw so much anon ire? It's basically persona gameplay but instead of personas you have fire emblem characters. It's a shame it was on wii u, not that it could have gone to another console but the install base definitely hurt its sales. And even if you bitch about censorship the restoration patch removes it. The game is a solid 7/10
>>344672930
Persona rip-off with idols, no thanks.
>>344686189
>i don't know what i'm talking about
>>344685519
I love how when Atlus does it for P4, it's great, but when Atlus DOESN'T ruin TMS's script, its horrible. You're such a fucking hypocrite.
>>344686189
Yes, minor. 95% of the audience won't even get those references, even the weebs. So that censorship is pretty minor. It's like whining about cultural jokes being removed from english translations when nobody is going to fucking get it, and it's unlikely that people will literally refuse to buy the game over it or even care.
>>344685442
The only successful censored game to come out from Nintendo in the past year was FE Fates.
>>344685997
>>344685735
>which failed at being either
If you play TMS and think it fails at either, you clearly never played either series even once.
>>344686413
>weebs don't know about idol culture
Shit, somebody go tell /jp/ and /a/.
>>344686393
I don't know who you think you're arguing with, but I haven't said anything about the script for this game.
>>344686132
Actually, in the past week, I watched three series that had exceptional sub jobs.
>Bunnyhat's SDF Macross
>GJM's Space Patrol Luluco
>Lemon's Nagato Yuki-chan
Don't forget about Commie's Monogatari and UTW
>>344686023
>Games with complaints related to censorship never really suffer significant losses in sales
How do you quantify that?
Your argument is saying that if something is successful and it's censored, it's proof that people don't care about censorship, and you're also arguing if something fails and it's censored, it's due to something else.
You framework present literally no way for the censorship to hurt sales. It will always be a non factor.
>>344686257
>Why does this game draw so much anon ire?
We wanted FExSMT, not IDOLSHITxPersona. I guess that's why. Not that FExSMT was exactly in high demand to begin with, but what they developed just looked like a generic moe idolshit spinoff of Persona.
The gaming market is flooded with games to play, and this game just looks okay and it's on a system that most people don't have, and it wasn't advertised much(or possibly at all?) and it's already a really niche market.
All of that is a recipe for a bomb. Just swimming upstream too much.
>>344686737
i don't watch anime
Demons are mirages, all based off either monsters, classes, and characters from FE, or stuff from the entertainment industry (a fair amount of movie references, like a creepy clown enemy called Nicklewise). Even your companion FE heroes are mirages. You can fuse them with enemy mirages and notMaca to power them up and change the skills you inherit from them. Battle system is straight SMT, with a very heavy focua on team building which is prevalent in both series. The game also takes place in Tokyo, and the Idolasphere (other world) has a themed heavily on both the occult and digital themes, ala digital devil story.
Weapon triangle, 80% of the enemies being FE classes, all named villains being FE characters, character and enemy classes being right out of FE, most wepons being straight from FE, level ups being random rolls FE-style, heavy focus on setting up the proper team and exploiting weaknesses, FE characters literally all over the place, FE music and sound effects, FE-style reclassing. There is also the Arena, which is a massive version the the arenas in FE, complete with gambling money on increasingly tough fights for more money, exp, and prizes. The character side stories are also formatted as FE-style relationship rankings).
And that is not mentioning all the little name drops and other little references.
>>344686216
>I'm okay with dressing up in silly clothes and singing
>wait I was never okay with dressing up in silly clothes!
>NOW I'm really okay with dressing up in silly clothes and singing
from
>I'm okay with dressing up in silly clothes and singing but still a little against showing some skin
>ehh it's just skin It'll be fine
>>344672930
because quite frankly her in-game model looks like shit
>>344686737
>>344686776
It is FExSMT. You being so caught up in your shitposting narrative that you never found that out is your problem.
>>344686495
Correlation =/= Causation
You're implying the negative reaction to censorship has impacted sales on these games and what has essentially caused them to fail. Good luck proving that.
>>344686853
>wait I was never okay with dressing up in silly clothes!
>but still a little against showing some skin
>ehh it's just skin It'll be fine
That isn't how the story goes, you just outed yourself as not having played the game.
She has issues with trying to pose for a camera and be the center of attention. The problem the photographer has is that she has no passion, energy, or respect for modeling. The lesson Tsubasa learns is to work together with the photographer, and pose with confidence. Showing skin was never an issue.
Now, go ahead and backpedal.
Reminder that sales numbers come out tomorrow.
Get your smug anime images ready to laugh at all the #FEfags.
>>344686978
I don't have to prove anything. Nintendo spent extra time, money, and manpower, to censor and edit their games, and the only hit among a list of about half a dozen was Fates.
Their censorship is proving ineffective in making these games sell more, which is the whole point.
>>344686776
>it wasn't advertised much(or possibly at all?)
I agree with this.
Outside of Shibuya and Akihabara, #FE was unheard of. I guess Nintendo really wanted to advertise the game to idol otaku.
Star Fox Zero got more advertisement in Japan than #FE. And I imagine in the west #FE got basically no advertising?
Combine no marketing along with a very small user base, the game is an almost guaranteed flop. Which is a shame, the game is actually not that bad.
>>344686216
>Which has literally no effect on the story,
Revelations: Persona had the same story as the original, so why do people complain about Black Mark?
Why do people complain about 4kids?
>>344687125
Where can I go check them?
>>344687152
>Their censorship is proving ineffective in making these games sell more
There is no proof of that. You would have to magically know that they would not have sold less if they hadn't been changed.
>>344687125
All I know is SOMEONE is going to get absolutely rumproasted and I will be there for it.
>>344687253
>so why do people complain about Black Mark?
Because it does. That changes the character entirely. Nothing in TMS changes the characters.
>Why do people complain about 4kids?
Because 4kids literally changes and cuts out major story events. Like entire arcs of anime literally removed. You don't seem to have any clue about what your are talking about.
>>344687125
None of them are claiming it sold well though, so I'm not sure what that would accomplish. Or do you think Operation Kowashitai is a serious thing?
>>344686776
>We wanted FExSMT
We got it, see >>344686851
>>344687116
>in the localized version
>>344687438
>it's okay when this thing is changed
>it's not when this other thing is because reasons
>>344686851
Anon stop. You're gonna kill the "idolshit" parrots.
>>344687272
You're turning your own argument against yourself.
You say that I have no proof that their editing hurt sales, now you're telling me to prove that their editing wasn't beneficial.
Completely ridiculous double standards.
If they had to put extra man hours in to try and make something not flop, and it sill flops, that's a failure on their end.
>>344687537
Sure you can make it sound like SMTxFE when you embellish all the aspects.
The FE and SMT influences are shallow at best.
>>344686732
The reverse is also true and more important:
If a game fails and was censored, it's because of the censorship. If it didn't fail and was censored, it..doesn't count?
I really don't need to prove that censorship hasn't affected sales. The sales speak for themselves where these games sell both well and badly *regardless* of the reaction of the "censorship" crowd has to them. If censorship were an actual issue that impacted sales, we would notice an actual impact on sales for these games that people whine about being censored, and we don't.
Because we have a ton of games that are censored and still sell like hotcakes regardless. Games that experience similar levels of "outrage" as these other games that you guys get all buttmad over. So why did your censorship protesting apparently sink #FE but it couldn't put a dent in Bravely Default? Why does it not seem to matter one way or the other whether you guys protest it or not? How can you ever prove that your "censorship protest" bullshit even matters? Or that most people claiming to boycott it don't just buy it anyways? Which probably happens a lot more often than you would think.
The simple point is you can't. So claiming the game failed because of censorship is unfounded and almost certainly untrue.
>>344687542
No, that's how it is in the uncensored version.
>>344687591
>"I can't read."
Thanks for letting me know.
>>344687684
>The FE and SMT influences are shallow at best.
You're just wrong. You are trying to make the aspects seem unimportant because you want them to be so your shitposting is justified.
>>344686851
>Battle system is straight SMT,
Is SMT literally the only RPG you've ever played? Because the combat system is completely devoid of actual SMT elements
>but weaknesses
Every game has weaknesses retard.
>but the elements are the same as in SMT
They're also the same as in Persona.
>>344687616
I'm not the guy you were arguing with, I just saw your post and knew it was fucking stupid.
>>344687749
>nothing in TMS changes characters
>except in one version a character poses for softcore pornography and in the other she doesn't
>>344687857
>and the Idolasphere (other world) has a themed heavily on both the occult and digital themes, ala digital devil story.
Look at this line and tell me it doesn't reek of desperation to correlate the game to MegaTen. It's a fucking stretch and a half. You're fucking pathetic, as is every #FE defender.
>>344687974
read >>344687116
>gravure is porn
You're a special kind of retarded.
>>344682339
>Chances are they don't own a Wii U
well that's true of most people
>>344683761
>never pick up senran kagura
why
>>344687720
>If it didn't fail and was censored, it..doesn't count?
I never said that. I will fully admit that Fates was a financial success.
But look at the numbers for Nintendo's other censored releases, They're not selling like hotcakes. If Bravely Second, a game that debut at number 9 is a rollicking success, then these are tiny victories on your part.
>>344688036
What about that line is wrong? See, I have played every mainline MegaTen game, and I would love to see how someone who obviously hasn't magically knows more about the series than me.
>>344687964
How about you actually read the conversation rather than just jump in like a dumbshit?
You're telling me putting in the hours to censor a game that flops anyway is a smart financial move?
>>344688070
The belief that "gravure is porn" might be why it was censored in the first place.
>>344688036
>this one thing you said out of tons of other things is kind of a stretch
>LOL, SO PATHETIC BTFO! I DID IT /V/, I DID IT!
What a horrible excuse for a human being you are.
>>344688192
>Megaten invented the occult
>the idolasphere somehow represents the occult
>only megaten games have an "other world" even though it's literally only two games and their spinoffs
>>344688192
My point is that the correlation is so shallow, it shouldn't even count.
Just look at the final dungeon. The background is a destroyed Tokyo. "Because destroyed Tokyo is always in MegaTen, that makes it MegaTen!" No, it's just a fucking background. It doesn't add anything to the plot or the lore. The actual Tokyo doesn't get destroyed so who cares. And they actually had the fucking nerve to use images of it in advertisements, tricking people into thinking it'd be a real destroyed Tokyo and it'd be like a real SMT game.
>>344687616
>You say that I have no proof that their editing hurt sales, now you're telling me to prove that their editing wasn't beneficial.
That's not what I said.
I said censorship can't be proven to have an impact on sales(and likely doesn't since nothing really correlates censorship with lost sales). The reality is that it's very, very unlikely that censorship has had a significant impact on their sales, and supposing that it IS what is causing sales for various games to fall takes far more faith than much more plausible explanations.
The other thing I'm claiming, though I can't precisely prove(but I'm likely right anyways), is that #FE didn't fail because of censorship. It failed for a multitude of unrelated reasons, and a complete lack of censorship is unlikely to have caused it to sell well or sell a relevant amount of increased copies.
>>344672930
Because the old hag isn't playable.
>>344686004
It really isn't.
because it was censored
>>344688460
>>344688516
>just because it shares all this stuff with MegaTen, doesn't mean it is like MegaTen!
>o-other games have these things too!
So, AGAIN, what would make it more like SMT? SMT didn't invent demons or angels. It didn't invent post-apocalyptic cities. So, by all means, show me how all the shit that guy listed is wrong, but all the shit you want is right.
>>344688460
>>only megaten games have an "other world" even though it's literally only two games and their spinoffs
So you never played Megami Tensei 1 or 2? Wow, you're a fucking idiot AND a poser. Go back to Nocture, you fucking casual.
I don't like nintendo thinking they can baby me. The game is rated T and Im well into my adulthood. Who are they trying to protect?
>>344688516
I loved the final dungeon. Reminded me of Nocturne.Rehashing bossfights was bullshit though.
>>344688790
It literally is.
>>344688167
>But look at the numbers for Nintendo's other censored releases, They're not selling like hotcakes. If Bravely Second, a game that debut at number 9 is a rollicking success, then these are tiny victories on your part.
But you are ASSUMING that this is because of Nintendo's censorship policies, which is a ridiculous leap in logic. How many people do you *actually* think care and refuse to purchase Nintendo games based off of covering some breast pixels?
Like for real, what percentage of the market do you think that impacts where it will actually cause them not to buy the game? Let's assume 100% is no censorship involved. They censor the game. What percentage does that go down to in your mind?
>>344689020
Another shot
>>344688697
Then why censor it anyway?
They put in the hours to 'localize' it to such an extensive degree, that they went and got the original VAs to record censored lines.
In Japanese!
You yourself are saying it would have failed regardless, but if that was the mindset, why edit in the first place? They obviously had aspirations of these changes making the game sell more.
But then you pull the line that I would have to magically know that it didn't help sales, while going off on this spiel that I have no proof that it hurt? Absurd.
>>344688962
People who aren't well into their adulthood?
>>344689153
>>344689020
>SMT invented post-apocalyptic tokyo
Wow, you'll just reach for any little thread, huh?
>>344688798
>game shares superficial elements with one game
>even though it shares just as many elements from other games
Shit, I didn't realize that TMS was actually a FINAL FANTASY GAME all this time! My eyes are opened!
>>344688886
>comparing the afterlife to the TV world
There are better ways to be disingenuous.
I heard that the ending was shit
>>344689039
No, I am saying that these games didn't end up selling like gangbusters, even after Nintendo went to extensive lengths to try and make them more 'compatible' with the western market.
They put in more hours into editing lines, changing models, altering gameplay, and got minimal returns.
>>344689283
Just posting some shots I took, anon. I don't mean to chime in in your dumb arguments.
>>344689358
There really isn't a way to describe it, you just have to sort of see it for yourself.
>>344689352
>MegaTen's digital world
>the afterlife
Please, stop trying to pretend you know what you are talking about.
>>344672930
I still haven't finished p3 nor started p4 and smt4.
>>344689358
It's your average happy ending. It's not like the game tries to make you care for its story anyhow.
>>344689352
You still haven't answered my question.
>>344672930
I don't buy trash.
>>344689352
So what separates SMT from Final Fantasy?
>>344673632
This, even without the censorship it looks stupid.
>>344689678
>What would make it more SMT
Well that's easy anon
>religious subtexts
>demon negotiation
>alignment choices and endings
>maybe killing god at the end
>apocalyptic/cyberpunk setting
>>344689768
See above.
>>344687253
>Black Mark
>Not the best
Persona 3 needs to be niggafied a bit, it might make the cast more tolerable.
>>344689948
What could have been
>>344689828
this makes me sad
>>344689938
But that would make it SMT, not SMTxFE
>>344689159
>But then you pull the line that I would have to magically know that it didn't help sales, while going off on this spiel that I have no proof that it hurt? Absurd.
I'm not the one who said that, dipshit. Pay attention.
>You yourself are saying it would have failed regardless, but if that was the mindset, why edit in the first place?
Because they had specific marketing ideas in mind? Because they didn't have the mindset that the project would bomb? Because they wanted to? Because they wanted to get a specific ESRB rating?
I could ask the same question of a million other things, but the simple matter is they weren't aware it would fail ahead of time. They made a mistake in localizing it at all assuming it would make money. Most people knew way back before ANY censorship was discussed that this game was going to bomb. Hell, if I looked through archives I could probably find my post predicting this game would bomb pretty soon after its announcement. Because it has too many things working against it.
You're also making it out like the localization changes or the "censorship" required inordinate amounts of work, and it doesn't. Editing a cultural reference or joke out of a script doesn't require any extra energy than leaving it in, and modifying a 3D model slightly isn't as arduous as you're making it out to be. You're acting like it cost them so much time and effort, and it didn't. They were small alterations to the game.
The mere fact that I don't care about censorship and the game itself being very good is why I bought it day one with the DLC included
>>344690203
Well obviously my idealized version would include interactions with Fire Emblem characters.
What also would have worked was having SMT characters in a Fire Emblem game.
>>344689938
>>religious subtexts
And that's not unique to MegaTen at all. In fact, FF games have far more emphasis on religion.
>>demon negotiation
That's in TMS.
>>alignment choices and endings
Not unique to SMT, and only in some of the SMT games. Not part of MegaTen or its spinoffs.
>>maybe killing god at the end
Not unique to MegaTen in the least, nor is it even part of all SMT games
>>apocalyptic/cyberpunk setting
TMS has that for a majority of the game. Not unique to MegaTen at all, or many of its spinoffs.
So, your list is far more superficial than >>344686851
>>344672930
I did, and I beat every sidequest too to get the best ending and Itsuki's business suit.
Also Kiria is best waifu go away Tsubasa.
>>344681665
And you don't get the extra costumes in the Japanese version by that merit
>>344689391
>They put in more hours into editing lines, changing models, altering gameplay, and got minimal returns.
You are way overstating the amount of effort it takes to make these alterations.
And you completely dodged my question so I'll ask it again until you answer it:
What percentage of the market do you think that impacts where it will actually cause them not to buy the game? Let's assume 100% is no censorship involved. They censor the game. What percentage does that go down to in your mind?
I want to know approximately how retarded you are, and this question is paramount to understanding that.
>>344690440
>kiria
No, top 3 are:
Tiki, Mamori, and Ellie.
>>344690401
>FF games have far more emphasis on religion
Literally what.
>>344690440
>Itsuki's business suit.
Didn't know I wanted this
>>344690401
>That's in TMS.
>>344690554
>Tiki is already married to Tiki=Waifu
>Mamori kills herself blocking sword attacks for Touma
>Dating a halfu
>>344690395
well they chose to go for a mix of FE characters/enemies and SMT gameplay. iI supposed there were other options on the table but you can't please everyone.
the thing is if you want an SMT game you got one coming in a couple months. #FE doesn't aim to be a pure SMT neither a pure FE experience, but a combination of both.
>>344690207
>I'm not the one who said that, dipshit. Pay attention.
Excuse me. Reality check here. It's an anonymous image. If you pick up a conversation someone else left off, I'm going to assume you're still them.
>Because they had specific marketing ideas in mind?
What ideas?
>Because they didn't have the mindset that the project would bomb?
So they didn't have the foresight to realize this was a niche game?
>Because they wanted to?
So they just censored things for the heck of it?
>Because they wanted to get a specific ESRB rating?
There's nothing in the game that would move it past a T.
>You're acting like it cost them so much time and effort, and it didn't. They were small alterations to the game.
Did you not fucking read my last post? They got in the original VAs to re-record hundreds of lines to match the censored text. This wasn't something some intern did in an afternoon. It required international correspondence.
I think you might be a shill.
>>344690565
>fight gods in most of them
>churches are prominent places in story and/or game mechanics
Dude, if you don't play the games, don't talk about them. It's that simple. Meanwhile, MegaTen has monsters named after religious figures and beings... like FF.
>>344690401
>That's in TMS
Oh, so I can add demons to my party and fuse them into new ones? I had no idea.
>>344690737
>and SMT gameplay
Aside from the names of the elements and spells, the gameplay has nothing in common with SMT.
This game failed for a reason, if not, many reasons, and many plausible reasons have been stated in this thread why.
I don't understand why people are defending this.
>>344690771
>monsters NAMED after religious figures
>If you don't play the games, don't talk about them
Ditto.
It's almost impressive how this thread manages to get 200-400 replies every single day
>>344690504
>You are way overstating the amount of effort it takes to make these alterations.
See. >>344690743
As for your other point, you're trying to frame the conversation in a direction I in no way tried to argue.
Even if the censorship didn't hurt sales, it didn't particularly help, making the changes themselves pointless.
>>344690690
There's demon negotiation. Just not in the way you want it, because you don't have demons fight alongside you, obviously.
>>344690771
When was the last time Yahweh appeared in FF?
game inspired me to finally look into wii u hacking and i can confirm it is absurdly easy to get homebrew running
i'm using the patch and its nice but i think i probably would have enjoyed the game either way. solid turn-based fare
overall i regret nothing. the whole localization debacle was over such trivial bullshit that i really don't feel bad about pirating it.
if atlus and nintendo are willing to go to such lengths during localization to make something culturally acceptable or whatever then a weeb like me obviously isn't their target audience or maybe they're just taking my purchase for granted
either way they lost my financial supporti'll buy persona though
>>344690927
Shitposters are hungry every day.
>>344690690
>>344690805
Demon negotiation is in the game.
>so I can add demons to my party and fuse them into new ones?
see >>344686851. You fuse mirages (demons) with your own to produce new forms for them, each with their own stats and abilities you learn from them. They take the forms of weapons, which is how one changes one's fighting style in FE.
>>344690982
>There's demon negotiation. Just not in the way you want i
Then it doesn't count, idiot.
>>344691108
Please don't insult me.
Demon negotiation was ass anyways. Hopefully P5 makes it better
>>344691108
>moving the goalposts that far
hilarious
>>344690986
When was the last time you literally fought the church in SMT?
>>344691232
Is it even confirmed
>>344691093
Weapons aren't demons. I can only equip one weapon at a time. That's not the same has having a party of demons at all, especially with arbitrary item limitations surrounding the fusing system. False advertisement is pretty scummy, anon.
>>344691261
>reference a specific thing
>condition is not met
>moving the goalpost
I guess catching Pokemon is the same as demon negotiation
>>344691108
>if they don't do it my way it doesn't count
Pretty much the summation of all the complaints about this game.
>>344691261
>He thinks fighting the church is remotely comparable to fighting actual God
Hilarious.
>>344691391
>I can only equip one weapon at a time. That's not the same has having a party of demons at all
You can actually have one per character. So that is 7 at a time, 3 on the field with free swapping of characters.
>>344691391
You can only bring so many demons into battle too, so what is your point?
>>344691295
I don't know. I just saw the vid that showed something like it and everyone lost their shit. Why people loved this fucking awful mechanic is beyond me
>>344672930
Fuck off shill.
>>344690743
>So they didn't have the foresight to realize this was a niche game?
Clearly not, since they decided to localize it at all.
You're trying to make the argument that they aren't allowed to try and tailor their game how they want to for a localization because it was doomed to bomb to begin with so they should have just saved money by not making any edits and specifically making the game appeal to you and releasing it without censorship to save some minor amount of money. That's fucking retarded. They aren't psychics, and if you're going to say they should have saved money by not making edits, the argument would logically follow to not localize it at all since it would bomb anyways. The entire point is that while the game WAS doomed to bomb from the begin, they fucked up and brought it here anyways and apparently weren't aware of it.
Arguing about it costing them more money or time to censor it is a moot point because you're making this point after the fact that it bombed and it has no relevance to anything.
>>344691216
Go away Steven your path made me end up with Isabeau.
Cause I don't have time these days for a ~40+ hr JRPG that's at best average as fuck. Nor do I want to pay $60 for it, nor is hacking my wii-u even worth the time/effort for this game.Same reason I skipped a lot of RPGs now.
Just better uses for my time out there. Coupled with the anger of it being SMT and FE in name only and not a real cross over. Then the idol nonsense, the actual settings, doesn't interest me at all.
>>344691432
How is talking with demons and doing a series of question-answer or request-fulfillment choices in order to get things you want NOT demon negotiation?
>>344691456
>ask for demon negotiation the way it's done in SMT
>it's not in the game, but this completely different mechanic is
>how is it not the same
>>344674103
Called finders keepers, if you leave your phone on the fucking ground. That shit is mine now or the next person who finds it, as the last person probably doesn't care about it. Yes I will sell it thank you.
>>344691556
If it was actual God he couldn't lose because just looking at him would kill you, homie. The Christian God is an abstract concept of omnipotence, it literally can't be killed. you're just fighting a big head named after it.
>>344691642
>no exchange of money
>no exchange of items
>severe limitations in what you can negotiate with
>no penalties for poor negotiation
>>344686495
>What is XB 1 and X, Smash 4, and Awakening
>>344691662
>>ask for demon negotiation the way it's done in SMT
It IS exactly as it is done in SMT, you even get fusion fodder and money from it.
>>344691816
>no exchange of money
Yes there is.
>no exchange of items
Yes there is.
>no penalties for poor negotiation
You lose money, items, and health.
Go head, keep lying.
>>344691807
>"You're not allowed to fight god in this fictitious game based on real beliefs and deities!"
Fuck off, idiot. That's what makes megaten games so fucking great. Instead of killing fictional gods like in your precious Final Fantasy, you can kill actual god, albeit in a fictional story. A story can be fictional but utilize perfectly real concepts and beliefs.
>>344690946
>As for your other point, you're trying to frame the conversation in a direction I in no way tried to argue.
You did try to argue it, and the reason you're refusing to answer it is because you know it completely destroys your original argument. Because you know that if you're reasonable and you say a small percentage, I can point out that censorship didn't have an impact after all on the overall sales of the game. If you make the portion too large, you out yourself as a retard that doesn't know what he's talking about. That's why you won't answer.
Because the truth is you were wrong to begin with and this simple question highlights it. The fact that you're too embarrassed to answer just means you know you were wrong and that censorship boycotting is irrelevant to the sales of the game.
Which means at this point you're just nitpicking and talking in circles to dodge around that, so I'm not really interested in continuing unless you want to answer that question.
>>344690207
>You're acting like it cost them so much time and effort
Translating and making decent rewrites take months of people working full time to do. Translating and then having them rework translations and rewriting plot points takes even longer. Having artists and people go through the whole game with a fine toothed comb to find and redraw shit takes months of people working full time. Paying the VA their share of re releasing in a different region is a lot of money. Re hiring the VA to re do hours of lines costs a lot of money and time. Having artists redo full scenes, in game models, and battle animations requires months of work.
It does take a lot of time and a decent chunk of money.
Other things like the only reason it probably wasn't dubbed, because nintendo AND atlus believe dubs are amazing and should always be done, was because it was it insanely less expensive to use the jp va instead of paying for singers and english va who can sing.
As a side note, I really am starting to believe that baseless accusation some anon posted on how NoA just sends NoJ an ungodly list of shit they need to change and "budget estimations" because of how much useless shit they change in their games.
>>344691927
>What is XB 1 and X
Sold like shit
>Smash 4
>last year
>>344691947
What does this even say? can you try not talking in memes?
>>344689165
the game is rated T either way. Little little kids aren't the target audience and people in their teen will see worse when they go to the movies
>>344692010
>it-it's totally really god! I promise!
>you can't kill god? Well, in SMT you can
Not real god, friendo.
>Instead of killing fictional gods like in your precious Final Fantasy
I prefer SMt, though. And in FF, you often fight Shiva, among many other gods. But thiose don't count because ___
>>344691597
If they brought the game over unedited, the argument could be made that it was simply a niche release for fans who wanted it, but no, by censoring, they clearly had plans that this would sell to a broader audience, thus making them look like morons.
They decided to put in more work, and more hours, and got less in return.
>You're trying to make the argument that they aren't allowed to try and tailor their game how they want to for a localization
They're allowed, but if they choose to censor their products, then they're going to have to deal with the PR that results from that, and the people who choose not to pay for their product.
>making the game appeal to you
Who is the current product at hand appealing to? I can tell you what an uncensored product would appeal to: the people who were interested in the original game. What's the market for the censored one?
>>344692208
If Shiva counts, so does literally everything in SMT.
Thanks for the assistance.
Pirated fan translation is the best version of this game. Anyone who paid for it are suckers.
>>344692130
>people in their teen will see worse when they go to the movies
If they were worried about the rating, they wouldn't have changed anything. Senran Kagura is rated T too.
>>344692370
And if everything in SMT counts, so does everything in FF. Thanks for the assistance.
>>344672930
Because its a shit game for shit people made to indulge an industry as morally and creatively void as Hollywood for horny lonely faggots
I despite the idol industry with every bone in my body, just thinking about it causes my blood pressure to wise. How can people eat shit so goddamn willingly?
>>344692051
>Sold like shit
950K and 800K isn't shit, m8 with the later not counting digital
>2014
>not recent
>>344691807
Yahweh is not omnipotent, he can be defeated by iron chariots and was terrified of humans uniting together. The Christian "God" was a Neo-Platonic philosophic god who was bolted onto Yahweh by educated, Hellenized Jews living in the Roman Empire, and Greek philosophy continued to influence this image of "God" throughout Christianity's history. SMT's YHVH reflects this development very closely, of an extremely powerful force that is not omnipotent acting as though it is.
>>344692416
well that's what confuses me the most. who where they doing this for?
>>344691816
>>344691662
What's the matter, cucks? Nothing to say to >>344691996? Can't think of any other bullshit to spout after the truth shut you the fuck up like the little bitch boys you are?
>>344692434
Except not really because FF is still mostly fictional gods.
You're entitled to being as wrong as you want. And since you've stooped to parroting, I'm done.
>>344692030
>You did try to argue it
My first post is here >>344686732
Hey, maybe you should try and "pay attention"?
I'm not going to get involved in your sperging question, because I had no involvement in its set up anyway. You failed to present why the censorship was a financially smart decision, and now you're flounder to 'win' by going back to a conversation I wasn't involved with.
>>344692515
>undertale reaction image
>some faggot seriously trying to argue smt has anything to do with actual religion
If I make Duck Hunt but give the ducks names like Lucifer and Tezcatlipoca, it doesn't make it a game about religion.
>>344692548
Then it isn't god, and is no different from fighting Kefka or Jenova in FF. Just a really strong monster claiming to be a god. Thanks for proving my point.
>>344692628
>FF is still mostly fictional gods
All gods are fictional. SMT is entirely fictional. What are you even saying?
>>344692771
>Then it isn't god
It is literally Yahweh.
>>344692010
whats great about megaten is that its a shining example of how drawing on controversial history and mythology is not a cultural taboo in japan
you can see it in other stuff too like one piece. theres slavery, crucifixion and all this dark shit in a kids manga. you'd never see that here
also obviously why the main megaten series never really got localized until 3
At any point does a character ask someone to listen to their song?
>>344692859
No, it's a monster named after Yahweh in a fictional videogame. Just like Shiva in both SMT and FF.
>>344692040
>Translating and making decent rewrites take months of people working full time to do.
They only need to translate once, dumbass. Rewrites are done by an editor.
>Translating and then having them rework translations and rewriting plot points takes even longer.
See above.
>Having artists and people go through the whole game with a fine toothed comb to find and redraw shit takes months of people working full time.
What the flying fuck are you talking about? Do you think these people edit individual frames of a video game or something? They edit models, idiot. 3D models. I feel like I'm talking to a little kid and their interpretation of how people do work that they've never seen done or something. Artists didn't need to look over the entire game for months on end. They are given models to make edits to and don't need to redraw everything from fucking scratch.
>Re hiring the VA to re do hours of lines costs a lot of money and time.
This is the one thing you listed that would have costed them any reasonable amount of effort(mostly money). Without reading the actual script and knowing exactly what changed, I can't say how much work this required, but if your other hyperbole is any indication, it's probably much smaller than you're making it out to be.
>>344693065
>hey are given models to make edits to and don't need to redraw everything from fucking scratch.
Just letting you know, if an image contains text (textures included) that is translated, it must be redrawn.
>>344693009
The Shiva of FF has nothing to do with the mythological Shiva, they aren't even the same gender. The YHVH of SMT is an extremely close representation of the history of Yahweh.
>>344672930
I wanted to but NoA butchered it.
>>344672930
oh look, it's that thread again.
Are you literally retarded, making the same thread ten times a day for two weeks?
>>344693307
>they aren't even the same gender
Shiva doesn't have a stated gender, and is depicted as either, like any Hindu deity.
>The YHVH of SMT is an extremely close representation of the history of Yahweh.
>big goblin head that realeases poison bombs
Yeah, okay ;)
>>344692996
I don't think they use the exact words, but that does happen more than once.
>>344692646
>You failed to present why the censorship was a financially smart decision
I never argued that it was to begin with you fucking idiot. I said that censorship isn't what caused this game to bomb. Pay fucking attention.
You haven't successfully argued that it was a bad decision either. You've just stated it costed them money and the game bombed, which isn't an indication that the censorship itself affected that. It wasn't financially smart of them to localize this game in the first place. The cost of censorship edits has no relevance to anything we were arguing about.
>>344693497
He's generally depicted as male, and is married to Parvati who is generally depicted as female. Is this true of FF Shiva?
>>344691816
>>344691662
>>344691996
BTFO, holy shit
>>344682339
I'm a Wii U owner and I didn't buy the game because of censorship.
There's a difference between changing a 13 year old's revealing clothes (Chronicles X) and changing an 18 year old's revealing clothes (TMS #FE). There's also a massive difference between changing the dialogue of a minor part of a game (support conversations in Fates) and changing an entire chapter (TMS #FE).
All the games I mentioned are 12+ / T for Teen. Chronicles X (which is about as niche as TMS) and Fates doesn't censor shit needlessly to try and appeal to a wider audience, so why does #FE get a free pass? Is it because there are no appealing games at all coming out for the system this year and you had to buy this game to justify your purchase?
>>344693778
>He's generally depicted as male
>hindi gods
>genders
You are this stupid.
>>344672930
>WHY DIDN'T YOU BUY TSUBASA'S GAME?!
gimmie $60
>>344693307
>The YHVH of SMT is an extremely close representation of the history of Yahweh.
That makes me laugh.
>>344691295
Yeah at 9:21.
https://youtu.be/5T99MsNcgVg
>>344693691
If the game bombed and they didn't censor anything, then that's money and time saved on their end.
You could make a multitude of arguments for why bringing over an uncensored product is reasonable. At the most base level, it could come down to them wanting to give something to the fans.
By censoring though, that means they had aspirations of reaching a broader audience, and they failed.
They now have a product that really doesn't appeal to anyone. Not your average dude walking into Gamestop, and not your hardcore weeb. It's a game for no one.
I think this covers plenty how the moves made here were bad decisions.
>>344693894
>3 costumes and removing the word "gravure" from a chapter
Man, such massive changes...
>>344694261
>By censoring though, that means they had aspirations of reaching a broader audience, and they failed.
If they made just one more sale than they would have, it wasn't a failure at reaching a broader audience.
No, I bought MAMORI'S game and to support the teams working on it, everything else was icing on the cake.
>>344694414
Was the price of the censorship 60 American dollars? I don't think Japanese VAs are that cheap, anon.
You also haven't presented an argument that it helped says. All we know is that these game isn't exactly doing CoD numbers.
>>344694271
Don't lie, they changed the whole context of chapter 2 and moments like >>344678268
talked about.
>>344694271
It's always easy to frame arguments so you can win when you lie.
>>344694679
>Don't lie
How am I lying? For the millionth time, see >>344687116, and tell me what is wrong about that. And also >>344678268 is unchanged, so I'm not sure why you referenced it.
the amount of vitriol in this thread is hilarious. who is even trying to convince anyone of anything anymore?
if you can't stand the censorship, theres a patch and hacking is piss easy
if you're desperate to support your precious localization buy it
if you hate idolshit and turn-based RPGs then the only reason you're here is to bait
what are we even fighting about?
>>344694036
See >>344694679
I couldn't give a shit about the costume changes if they didn't change the context or plot. But they in fact do at times, sad to say.
>>344694940
Nintendo's censorship goes beyond this game, and has been a growing problem over the last year.
I'm sure there's going to be the inevitable person who brings up censorship from the NES and SNES days, and acts like Nintendo hasn't changed a single bit in 20 years.
Regardless of the cut content and retarded censorship everywhere, the game always looked fucking retarded.
I'm not some turbo western asshole who only plays realistic game, but there is an upper limit for me for how much weeb I can take in a single game.
Persona 3 was too much weeb. Persona 4 was way too much weeb. Even The World Ends With You was way too much fucking weeb for me. But this is like more weeb than all those combined. It makes me cringe.
>>344694679
>they changed the whole context of chapter 2
No they didn't, as >>344694036 told you.
>and moments like >>344678268
talked about
That side story was 100% untouched.
>>344694261
>If the game bombed and they didn't censor anything, then that's money and time saved on their end.
I already covered why this is irrelevant. Why do you keep bringing it up? You're saying this after the fact. "The game bombed, so they could have saved money with no edits". Okay, great. They could have saved money not localizing it or cutting other corners or doing about a thousand other small things that nobody gives a shit about. I could have saved time not typing to your dumb ass. Better, I could have not visited /v/ at all today.
This is all just moot horse shit that doesn't matter after the fact.
>You could make a multitude of arguments for why bringing over an uncensored product is reasonable. At the most base level, it could come down to them wanting to give something to the fans.
You could also make a multitude of arguments for their edits that they thought would be superior for a western audience, but all of these arguments are moot and pointless because we're discussing them after the fact. They spent money editing other games, and yet those games still did great.
>By censoring though, that means they had aspirations of reaching a broader audience, and they failed.
Ok, fine. What the fuck is your point? You seem to be trying to say that this game failed because it tried to appeal to a broader audience with the censorship, failed, and that the censorship had SUCH a drastic effect on weeb sales that it's what caused the game to tank. That's where you're god damn retarded. And again we go back to my question: if you think this game without censorship at 100% of sale value, what affect do you think censoring the game made that number? And yet again you won't answer because it points out how dumb you are.
>They now have a product that really doesn't appeal to anyone. Not your average dude walking into Gamestop, and not your hardcore weeb. It's a game for no one.
Still a game for weebs.
>>344695147
>cut content
There isn't any unless you count not bringing over a particular DLC.
>>344694679
chapter 2 is still based on the exact same concept only that it doesn't use gravure to represent it.
The core idea was never about Tsubasa feeling awkward about showing her big fat anime titties to begin with.
>>344694940
where do you think we are?
>>344672930
Because I just got Star Fox, so I am not thirsty enough for games to buy Treehouse's fanfiction.
>>344695525
>Treehouse
What does that have to do with TMS? It was localised by Atlus.
>>344695259
Nigga that is cut content. They're not translating that DLC or bringing it over, it is content that they decided we can't see because OH NO, BIKINIS IN THIS GAME ABOUT MURDERING DEMONS, THE POOR CHILDREN
>>344688149
#triggered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsjWqCHPZ0w
>T-they changed just a little bit
>>344695147
>being this insecure about things on a screen
go whine some more at twitter you moron
>>344695176
>I already covered why this is irrelevant. Why do you keep bringing it up?
Because it's not irrelevant.
>or doing about a thousand other small things that nobody gives a shit about
Obviously people give a shit, since we're having a conversation about it.
> I could have saved time not typing to your dumb ass. Better, I could have not visited /v/ at all today
You can leave any time.
>They spent money editing other games, and yet those games still did great
Except you're the only one arguing that. FE was the only breakout success from the slew of censored games Nintendo put out.
> You seem to be trying to say that this game failed because it tried to appeal to a broader audience with the censorship, failed
Yes, this is what I am saying. I am making assertions about the number of potential lost sales, but I am saying that this game wasn't a hit, and its censorship proved pointless.
>And again we go back to my question
You keep trying to ask a question for a conversation I had no part in. Why are you sputtering so hard?
>Still a game for weebs.
And weebs are known for enjoying censorship? 4kids is reigning high, right?
>>344695682
>Nigga that is cut content
>choosing not to localize DLC is cut content now
>translation and editing for western context is "censorship"
I think you niggas are starting to go full retard.
>>344695135
Sony is slowly starting to become just as silly with their censorship.
Just look at the Odin Sphere and Persona 5 cover art.
That being said all kinds of games have been getting censored for the west for decades but you people only started complaining about it now.
If you are really starving that much for attention do something else instead of shitposting on /v/
>>344694876
>>344695164
Yes, they did change the context you fucking idiots. The main plot point was that she was uncomfortable with being objectified, not with "working with the photographer". That was never an issue. She doesn't like showing off her body in the Japanese version, whereas in this version she doesn't like being in front of the camera at all.
>>344695903
I think you're a shill, and no matter how many 'niggas' you throw in, won't change the fact that we won't buy your game, Atlus-kun.
>>344695651
Whatever, its still fanfiction.
>>344695975
>That being said all kinds of games have been getting censored for the west for decades
Nintendo has been getting worse over the last year.
>but you people only started complaining about it now
Because things have been getting worse.
>>344696009
>The main plot point was that she was uncomfortable with being objectified
NO
IT
WAS
NOT
You are literally wrong. Even in the Japanese version, her issue was working with the photographer and being a clumsy fuck who couldn't pose with any passion. Play the fucking game, it's free uncensored.
>She doesn't like showing off her body in the Japanese version
There is not one line of dialogue supporting that bullshit.
>>344695903
How come XBC:X had all of its DLC included in the western release but TMS doesn't?
>>344695975
like vague subtle baiting on /v/?
maybe with a good ol' "you people" in there for good measure?
>Japanese Idol culture is sexist as shit and plagued with problems
>Make a game telling the story of Japanese Idol culture
>Instead of using this to highlight all the problems in the industry have it celebrate the problems with shit like women should learn to enjoy being naked for men's enjoyment
Japan can't really be this fucking blind to its problems, can it?
>>344696260
You are literally lying right now. That or you're just too retarded to pick up on how uncomfortable she was with the idea of swimsuit modeling
>>344695975
>Persona 5 cover art.
That is fatluss, unless you have a source for Sony asking for that.
>you people only started complaining about it now.
Like people haven't made fun of NoA for removing crosses and Nintendo caving to Muslims for OoT's changes before this.
>>344672930
Because FUCKING GAMESTOP didn't stock the Special edition
>>344696451
Fucking. PROVE. Your lies. Do it right now.
>>344696582
You really wanted those stickers?
>>344696451
>how uncomfortable she was with the idea of swimsuit modeling
You know, if you just post some dialogue that proves your point, you wouldn't have to keep lying.But you can't because it isn't in the game. Keep that bait rolling.
>>344696353
celebrating a culture of sexism there, celebrating a culture of violence here. people don't really care about social issues its just so easy to circlejerk on twitter about them now without actually doing anything. that's true everywhere
>>344695902
That's the 3rd time now that you've refused to answer a key argument, so you lose. You will just keep ignoring it and bringing up pointless irrelevant shit and strawman arguments.
I'm not asking some other douchebag, I'm asking you. Douchebag #2. And this is the last time I will ask:
If you honestly think censorship was so critical to #FE's success that it is literally the MAIN CAUSE of the game bombing, approx. what percentage of the sales do you think it lost due to this censorship choice?
If you don't answer this, I'm done responding.
>>344696605
>>344696698
>>344696820
>prove it!
If you retards have a video of the scene in question, sure, I'll point out what you failed to pick up on. I'm not willing to spend more than a minute dealing with you though, so dig it up yourselves.
>>344696232
>Nintendo has been getting worse over the last year
not really, Nintendo games always had stupid name changes and censorship for western releases. Just look at all the sprite and name changes from old Final Fantasy games for example.
It's only more obvious now since the graphics are better and because it spreads on the internet.
We've also seen an influx of anime tits on nintendo consoles in the recent years.
It's the same it's ever been but people just love to get offended on the internet.
If you'd really care that much about the censorship you would do more than just shitpost about it.
Quick question: is there a point in doing Anna's sidequests in the idolaspheres because they always seem to repeat after completing it
>>344696353
or
>make a fun light hearted rpg about friends overcoming their fears and following their dreams
not every game has to be a sociopolitical message, tumblr.
>>344697096
Other than a record for doing each of them, no.
>>344696605
>>344696698
Post the translation of japanese version dialogue and the script of the western version. Then we can compare it and see for ourselves what they changed or kept the same.
>>344696451
>>344697040
She never mentioned issues with showing skin or with the clothes. She DID overcome her issues by practicing posing and gaining confidence, and was impressed with how natural all of Maiko's poses and expressions were. The photographer was taken by her passion for his art, and everyone around her was impressed by their synergy. This is true of both the censored and uncensored version.
Your move. just post some evidence of her being freaked out by the swimsuit or showing skin, and that's that
>i'm not going to prove I'm wrong about a game I never played to people who have played the game
Sounds about right.
>>344697096
no, they only exist to fuck with completionists.
>>344697028
Well then our argument is done, isn't it?
My argument, from the very beginning, was that #FE's censorship cost more money and man hours than releasing it uncensored would have.
You already made the claim that this would have bombed anyway, other than to waste everybody's time?
You're asking me question that no reasonable person without a substantial amount of data could rightly make a guess about. It's an attempt to trap me, when I wasn't even involved in the conversation that started it in the first place.
>>344697336
>She never mentioned issues with showing skin or with the clothes.
Except she did. Like >>344697275
said, post the script and I'll point my finger at the part where you failed to read.
>>344697336
>just post some evidence of her being freaked out by the swimsuit or showing skin, and that's that
Or, you know, you could post the dialogue from the original and localisation like >>344697275 said.
>>344697490
Alright, >>344697028
You promised. Stop posting now
>>344697496
You are literally just repeating "nuh uh" to every detailed post about how you are wrong.
>>344697089
Oh my god it's like fucking clockwork with you apologists.
>>344695135
>I'm sure there's going to be the inevitable person who brings up censorship from the NES and SNES days, and acts like Nintendo hasn't changed a single bit in 20 years.
Look at Nintendo from the N64 to the end of the Wii. Censorship was sparse. Now look at the last year.
Thins have changed. Stop being ignorant.
>>344697089
>If you'd really care that much about the censorship you would do more than just shitpost about it.
fetch me a feather, some ink and some parchment. i'll write a strongly worded letter and have my carrier pigeon deliver it to NoA HQ as soon as possible
THEN i'll have done something about it!
or i could just pirate their games and not give them a dime. exactly what more do you want the consumer to do to let them know we're unhappy dipshit? want me to produce a youtube series on it? see if i get picked up by a cable network? "do something about it", thats so asinine
there. bait responded to. you happy?
Dear /v/,
Could all of this have been resolved by a simple toggle button?
>>344697496
>>344697581
shifting the burden of proof
And this argument is over. You can't prove the lies you are spreading to discredit the game you never played. Find it yourself, we're all enjoying the game, uncensored or otherwise.
>>344672930
I wanna get it because I hear the gameplay (battling) is solid, but I can only stomach so much kawaii uguu shit and whatever boring shit happens between battles.
>>344697691
no, than /v/ would simply bitch about something else
>>344676031
>the game itself is bad
Nah. Three hours in and I'm liking it a lot. Just don't take the story seriously at all.
>>344697612
How is he doing that? If we compare the scripts, we can see whether she says something along the lines of "muh skin" or not in the Japanese version.
>>344697589
What did I promise? You're the one who wants to be done.
Your question isn't valid to the conversation at hand. It's a moot point.
>>344697612
>>344697708
Gee, I wonder why you guys are so scared to post the scene in question
It's almost like you know you're full of shit
>>344697816
So go find the scripts.
>>344697852
Why are YOU so scared to post it? because you're full of shit?
>>344697841
>What did I promise?
>If you don't answer this, I'm done responding.
And he didn't answer. So shut the fuck up
>>344686737
friendly reminder that posting animu girls isn't a free-pass for being retarded because "muh japanese imageboard"
>>344697852
Not those anons, but their claim is pretty uncontroversial. Saying the scene was about her having issues with gravure is a pretty wild claim, especially considering it doesn't even make sense in the context of the story or its resolution.
>>344697949
You might want to look at the wording there.
Shouldn't /you/ be done responding? I'm still willing to have a conversation. You just fall back on your false question, while not addressing my other points.
The game failed, and the censorship and money put into it didn't help
MAMORI~
>>344697852
>>344697937
>It's another circlejerk over who finds the evidence to end the argument episode
Why do I even bother browsing here anymore? If you both wanted to prove either of each other's points, you would BOTH look for the scripts.
>>344698068
>Saying the scene was about her having issues with gravure is a pretty wild claim,
>in a dungeon about gravure
No, no it isn't
I'd wager half the reason it got cut was exactly that, it's partially about her coming to terms with gravure being a part of becoming an idol
Not really a good message for young girls desu, but different contexts regardless
>>344686503
The combat is fun but that's about it
>>344698304
>jealous
>every girl in the game wants his dick
>including mamori
>>344683761
Hasn't xseed been publishing senran kagura for the last couple of years?
- Talk with Tsubasa after the shoot
Tsubasa says how she made the photographer mad and it was all her fault that
the shooting was cancelled, and how she caused trouble to the other models as
well because of that. Itsuki has two dialogue options
"So that's how it went..."
"Everyone makes mistakes"
Both lead to Tsubasa saying she will give it her all next time, then Itsuki
tells her to be careful around the photographer and that mirages might be
involved
- First confrontation with the photographer in the idolasphere, he talks about
gravure modeling
- After Yashiro's performance, he tells Tsubasa to work harder on captivating
the audience
- Talk with Mr. Hatanaka in the office 2
He says how Maiko's photobook enthralled the man of Japan even though it
wasn't a nude photobook and that Maiko and Horinozawa have been a great duo
and created "My Complex" together.
- The cast finds "My Complex"
Touma is drooling over the artbook and getting a nosebleed. Tsubasa has a look
at the photo book as well. Itsuki has two dialogue options
"Are you getting any inspiration?"
"I'm sure you can do it, Tsubasa."
In the meantime, Touma has become totally absorbed in the magazine and when
they try to get him away from it he says that he couldn't help it and no guy
could resist this, saying that Maiko looks like she's lowering her guard in
the pictures. Tsubasa says no wonder Horinozawa got angry at her because she
was just so embarrassed and wanted to get over with the shoot fast, just
following instructions. She finds new resolve to not run away from the camera
anymore. She then asks Itsuki to help come up with the poses. Itsuki tells her
to do it sexier and more soulful.
- Tsubasa still thinks it's embarrasing but she has to do it
- Encounter with Horinozawa, before the boss battle
Horinozawa comments on the swimsuit and how it fits Tsubasa perfectly with
her newfound attitude. Touma is a bit of a perv and can't unfix his gaze.
>mfw this entire thread
>>344698460
Fuck. It's like we're not allowed to discuss topics here....
>>344698486
I will mention that there is a dialogue choice after this incident that reads "you could have shown more skin", and that was changed because obviously it wouldn't make much sense for the changed version. Didn't see much about showing skin or the bikini in particular, but then, this isn't the actual script, just a list of changes the patch makes.
>>344698385
>I'd wager half the reason it got cut was exactly that, it's partially about her coming to terms with gravure being a part of becoming an idol
See, you'd wager that, but you would lose said wager.
>>344672930
Because it was either that or Odin Sphere.
I picked the better game.
>>344698596
>this isn't the actual script, just a list of changes the patch makes.
Yeah, no shit
What makes you think a loose summary is worth anything here
>>344698838
More than you've got.
>>344698891
>nothing is more than nothing
>>344698791
>>344698838
And so the shitposters who never played the game finally admit defeat.
>>344698074
You guys are both fucking dumb. I was done responding but I have to point out this small bit of hilarity. Because you both mistook each other for me.
Me: >>344697028
Douchebag #2 that won't answer a simple question because he knows it will make him look retarded: >>344697490
Guy #3 telling me to stop posting since Douchebag #2 didn't answer me and I promised: >>344697589
Douchebag #2 confusing Guy #3 for me and thinking Guy #3 was telling HIM to shut up: >>344697841
Guy #3 responding to Douchebag #2 because he thinks Douchebag #2 is ME responding to him: >>344697949
Douchebag #2 is still confused and thinks Guy #3 is me: >>344698074
Ok and now back to dinner. Thanks for that, that was a good ending.
KOKORO NO~
>>344699273
Guy #3 here
That's actually pretty funny
>>344699273
Yeah, I realized it was another person joining.
And anon, why do you so want me to answer an unanswerable question? It literally would come down to a guess, because there's not quantifiable way of understand how sales would be altered.
That's not the point of the conversation though. The changes were made, and it still didn't sell. Thus, the changes, and the money and time put into them, were pointless.
>>344699414
>tank is a little girl with an axe
>tank is also best healer
Barry has good taste
>>344698984
I'll admit it, I haven't touched the thing
You were all so assblasted I wanted to see if I could get one of you to replay it and take screenshots
Next time OP should ask why people didn't buy Mamori's game.
>>344699510
Bear in mind, the question you're asking me was never something I argued in the first place. You pressed it on me to try and make me look dumb in an attempt to 'win' the conversation.
>>344672930
But I did, OP! I bought it simply to scalp it a few years down the line when Wii U nostalgia kicks in, like the gamecube.
Top 3 worst characters
1-Barry
2-Tiki
3-Mamori
>>344686658
Are you making up words
>>344699641
>not replaying it
it's one of the best NG+ modes in years, I don't need you faggots shitposting to make me replay it.
You fags need to exchange your fucking twitter handles and take your gay ass scuffle to where it belongs since you might as well be namefagging at this point.
For fucks sake.
>>344696353
kill
your
self
>>344700376
>Barry
>bad
no, he's a good man
>>344700562
Hey don't lump me in with those faggots
I was just vanilla shitposting
>>344700562
what does it have beside the extra boss?
No WiiU
Also
>mfw this is what SMTxFE became
So which party members did you used /v/? I used:
>Ellie
Mass destruction, Lure Shot and her ad-lib attacks saved my ass many times, Virion is cool and also she is my favorite girl of the game.
>Touma
Insane strength, lance/fire/wind coverage, charge, heat riser and penetrate, he was my main damage dealer and his skill to waive an item cost was really useful. Also he can dress up as Walter so that makes him extra cool in my book.
>>344701320
new lunatic mode which makes it acutally feel like one of the harder SMT games
Seems like it has smarter enemy AI.
new arena mode that gives ultimate weapons with new skills like Thoron
lv 99 secret boss
new sidequests with extra boss battles
but mostly the difficulty of lunatic mode is just fun as fuck.
>>344701689
>not switching party members constantly based on the enemy
why would you limit your options if you can freely switch between characters.
Unless you are talking about your favourit characters, in that case I'm fine with your opinion.
>>344702484
THAT PASTA IS STALE
Does anyone have a link to a non-shitty rip of the game? The two I've used so far give me problems.
>>344702609
But it isn't wrong.
>>344703213
References laced around a game about idols isn't exactly what people were hoping for when the idea of his game first came around.
>>344703693
too bad for them
>>344703902
Yes, and probably too bad for Nintendo and Atlus.
>>344673948
>buying an nx
>>344683651
You don't buy games.
You can't bullshit me anon
>>344704985
I buy games that I think are worth it.
Anything censored isn't.
>>344703693
Very few games are exactly what people were hoping for.
at least we know for certain regardless of the game's quality, itll cause anal annihilation for everyone involved
great thread
>Touma's final sidequest, hard modo
>get wrecked the first time
>give Mamori double moves with Itsuki's SP skill
>disregard adds and fucking shit on Abel
DOGA WILL CHOKE THIS POINT
>>344672930
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP MAKING THIS THREAD
>>344672930
I'm not a Nintencuck.
