WHY DIDN'T YOU BUY TSUBASA'S GAME?!
because I want to have demons kick me in the nuts for not giving them a potion, not be an idol
>>344672930
Buying it in a few weeks.along with a WiiU
but I did. It's really good too. If a bit slow because of those concentrated cinematics moments and grind.
idol culture is shit
>>344672930
It was censored, so the people working on it didn't deserve to make money on it.
>>344672930
Idol shit. Censorship was just the nails in the coffin.
NoA made the american version
>>344672930
Because of the shitty localization. Changing content is one thing but going the extra mile to make silly changes like having JP VAs re-record dialogue to reflect the changed ages or changing an entire dungeon to remove the gravure theme WHILE AT THE SAME TIME not going the extra mile to subtitle the combat dialogue, you know, the main thing a localization should be trying to do? That's stupid.
Thankfully Wii U piracy is piss easy.
Do we have sales figures yet?
>no Tsubasa porn
Japan has failed me
>>344673217
At this point you're better off waiting for the NX reveal to see if it's backward compatible.
>>344673730
No they didn't.
>>344673838
Reminder that if you pirated this gane because of """"censorship"""" you are equal than a nigger that "finds" an iPhone nd should give it back
Give it back Jerome, piracy makes you nigger
>>344673934
Debuted at number fucking 18 on the UK sales charts, so not good. US figures come out in 3 days IIRC.
>>344674103
Kill yourself, stupid phone poster.
>>344674103
Calling me a nigger isn't going to make me buy your censored game, Atlus-kun.
>>344672930
No thanks Tsubasa.Gimme your friend with the orange skirt and leggings.
Censorship is bullshit.
Would the game even have gone beyond a T if they didn't cut all that shit? I don't think so.
>credits roll
>NoA localization: Nich Maragos
I'm enjoying the game, but I wonder how similar it is to Persona since I've never played one, but the overall look is similar.
How do you guys think the battle system is compared to Persona?
>>344674641
persona's battle system follows the same "exploit weakness" system except you get an extra turn instead of triggering a chain attack like in #fe. i found #fe's system a lot better and more engaging overall.
>>344674641
It's mechanically more of an SMT game with Fire Emblem thrown in. It's only "Persona" if you think Persona is defined by bright colors.
>>344674210
>>344674295
Calling it censored wont make you white again
>>344672930
Because I've started too many RPGs I still need to finish (Fire Emblem Fates, Final Fantasy IX, Xenoblade, KOTOR 2)
You know the only reason it didn't have a dub is because they either couldn't find voice actors who could sing or the voice actors/singers would've cost way too much.
>>344675013
Well I mean the character building system, with certain Mirages/demons tied to characters, seems much more like what I imagine Persona to be than the SMT mainline games I've played
Remember to report shitposting threads
>>344675216
It's censored. There's no other way to spin it.
>play Strange Journey
>get material known as Forma
>material in #FE is known as Performa
What the fuck, Atlus. If you're going to make a reference to SJ, at least say something about it.
>>344675361
>Mirages are demons
Your weapons fill the role of demons. You fuse them from other demons and use that fusion to build a party that performs how you want it to. Characters and their mirages are just a consistent graphical receptacle of the old demon fusion system.
do you get anything worthy by negotiating with demons at the arena?
>>344673948
I don't know, I found a really good deal for a barely used WiiU, and I still have some Wii titles I've never played.
>>344672930
>censored
>only like one or two chars I like
>gameplay's basically Persona
>story is boring
>no romance options
>poor FE fanservice attempts
I didn't even want to put the disc in my Wii U anymore I gave up on it so much.
>>344675556
Censorship doesnt make the game bad, the game itself is bad, censored or not.
So stop saying censorship made you steal this game Jerome
I got Tikis game instead
>>344676031
Censorship made me not buy it, and there's no insult you can call me that will make me shill out 60 dollars for your failed game.
>>344676084
I got Awakening too, it was pretty nice.
>>344676031
>the game itself is bad
Nah
In fact, the game being good is why I could overlook the censorship, which turned out to be irrelevant as usual
>>344676031
But it's not bad at all.
>>344676283
Can you teach Tiki how donuts taste in Awakening?
>>344675590
#FE team is the same as SJ team, isn't it?
>>344672930
Because idolshit is irredeemable garbage marketed towards the very bottom of the barrel.
>>344672930
BECAUSE I'M STILL FUCKING POOR.
GOD DAMN IT.
GIVE ME UNTIL THE END OF THE WEEK, I SWEAR I'LL BUY IT THEN.
PLEASE.
>>344672930
I wanted FExSMT and they made something else instead
>>344676197
>>>344676031 (You)
>Pobertymade me not buy it, and there's no insult you can call me that will make me shill out 60for the iPhone I got
You are starting to sound like a realnigger
>>344676850
>someone is a dick and dragons are back and out to destroy the world from tokyo
What exactly were you expecting?
>>344676907
not him, but :^)
> Maiko gets kidnapped
> she's shown lying down on the couch unconscious in japanese version
> localized US version has her sitting straight up being frozen instead of unconscious
> same story arc
> Tsubasa is suppose to overcome her shyness to show off extremely revealing clothing in the japanese version
> she takes off a lot to show off a bikini in the japanese version
> US cuck version has her putting on some hipster clothing
>>344677103
Not him, but (you)
>>344677089
#FE's plot is boring even compared to Shadow Dragon.
Gharnef wants to bring back Medeus just cuz.
Medeus wants to destroy Tokyo just cuz.
Medeus doesn't even get a single line, does he?
>>344677419
thanks, give me 30 minutes and i'll start up loadiine
>>344677089
pretty much what you described, just a TRPG crossover between the FE and SMT series
since this doesnt really have specific elements of either but more just general concepts (the returning characters from FE1/13 aren't much more than surface level fan service), i don't have much reason to buy the game anymore.
itd be different if i already owned a wiiu i guess, but a game like this just isnt really selling me on a whole console
>>344675410
Might as well report the whole forum lately.
>>344677529
>surface level fanservice
They are literally refugees from Arkaneia who escaped to another world to avoid a bad end.
>>344677489
DELETE THISSISS
> censor chest area in cutscene
> 5 seconds later, uncensored boss fight
They forced the devs to work on this stupid censorship... then they throw out the entire purpose of censoring in the first place and make all that work pointless.
>>344677689
stop please
why do you post?
>>344677405
>lets have character development centered around getting the character naked
i disagree with the solution in the fullest, but the original intent isnt really that appealing either
>>344677660
my mistake then
>>344677750
Why do you steal?
>>344677789
And then have her immediately forget this and be insufferably shy anyway. Tsubasa is shit and her storylines are really shitty excuses to get her into booby suits. They should have just made her indifferent to the demands of celebrity like the other characters.
>>344677709
But anon, that's the way the devs do "take that!" to the censors.
No, it was too censored.
>>344677789
I'm right at the part he's talking about. If you had played the game you would know why it makes sense.
>>344677789
> game story revolves around japanese idol culture
> rewrite story into some bullshit social anxiety after she is shown hanging around other people normally
Enjoy your shitty rewrite and censorship.
>>344677941
because i can, i wont justify it
i buy when i cant pirate, i pirate when i can
that applies to MS,Sony,Nintendo
no bias
Because I bought Mamori's game.
>>344677894
I was pleased they made sure the myrmidon knows about myrmidon bullshit.
What were the sales numbers? I need to know how badly it flopped.
>>344678073
the story doesn't revolve around japanese idol culture
>>344678073
Except she's then shown being incapable of dealing with other people and you have to go on a whole sidequest to make it so she doesn't freak out saying hello to them.
>>344678154
have another then
>>344672930
>Buying a product that has less content than a version I can get for free
>>344672930
because i downloaded it 6 months ago
>>344678040
im hearing conflicting opinions on how well it's executed, so would you care to explain your opinion?
>>344678343
It doesn't have less content though
>>344678519
>it doesn't have less content
:^)
>>344677660
>franchise rapefugees
>>344678639
it doesn't though? it was replaced by other content so you can't really say it has "less content". it'd be like saying the Japanese version has less content because it doesn't have the costumes we got instead of the bikinis.
Because it looks like Generic weeb game 145 and you need to stop making these threads.
>>344678976
10/10
>Chapter 2 starts
>Oh there's the bikini thing they changed
>intermission
>Kirya: Must kill cute things. Go to the photo dungeon.
>the pictures are all images of tokyo. Not a single modeling image anywhere.
You sure chose a great hill to die on.
>>344672930
No because anime games annoy the hell out if me, even though I enjoy watching it.
>>344672930
I don't have a SD card slot on my computer
>>344680083
it's like that in the original game
I PIRATED IT DUE TO CENSORSHIP
>>344680791
At least be honest and say you wanted to see teenage girl boobs in chapter 2 of 6.
>>344672930
Look at her dead eyes, and you tell me why.
>>344680895
>somebody was mad enough to make this
Those boobs were a totally important element to the story about the shadow dragon reviving and threatening Tokyo
>>344672930
Censorship
>>344681195
>being this mad because someone posted it
I won't buy it because my SD card arrives tomorrow and I'll just do that download hax shit
>>344681432
Have fun anon.
>>344681323
>being this mad because i responded to it
>>344681567
It's worth it
>>344679187
It's more apt to call most of the content watered down, which it is.
Though you are getting less content in the western version. No option for the hot spring dlc.
>>344672930
Censored Idol shit. I don't give a shit how you Mirragefags spin it, this would have been a better game had it just been a regular crossover.
>>344681210
The boobs have more a presence than the Shadow Dragon in the game.
Sometimes I wonder if you #FE fags even finished the game.
Waiting for that shit to go on sale, got a gift card in the vault with this game's name on it. I'll be buying this for around 15 bucks soon.
>>344681909
>Nintendo games
>sale
maybe like 5 bucks at most if you're lucky.
>>344682009
Yeah. Something tells me the game is going to turn into a pre-reprint Atlus game. There will be a big clearance sale then ebay prices will hit $100+
>>344682009
Not a problem, best buy GCU gives me a 20% off, plus a 5 certificate, and a gift card.
Most Nintendo games end up in the bargain bin unless they're Mario or Pokemon
>>344672930
>all the lying niggers in this thread claiming "censorship" is honestly what stopped them
Chances are they don't own a Wii U or weren't that interested anyways. The censorship reply is a meme so fags on here can feel like they're fighting the man while lying to themselves.
The real reason nobody wants to buy this game is that it's an idolshit RPG, and that doesn't have a market in the west. Look at it this way:
-Barely any fags own a Wii U already
-Now let's narrow it down to SMT or FE fans specifically that own a Wii U
-Now let's narrow that down further to SMT fans and FE fans that would actually enjoy overly cutesy idolshit moe fanservice garbage to begin with
And you're left with virtually nobody buying the game. Niche ass market, niche ass system, pandering dime-a-dozen garbage that any respectable person would stay away from. So you're left with basement dwellers that actually own a Wii U and have heard of/care about games like this. In other words, almost nobody.
>>344682339
>Chances are they don't own a Wii U
If you keep telling yourself that, it may become true.
>>344682339
>Chances are they don't own a Wii U or weren't that interested anyways
That's why /smtg/ and /feg/ are so asshurt about it, right?
>>344682573
Yes, I'm sure the "censorship" is what stopped this game from selling. Just like all the other games you guys get your ass all busted over when they add 10 pixels to a bikini that sell perfectly fine.
The number of people that legitimately didn't buy this game due purely to censorship probably doesn't break 4 digits.
>>344682772
And they're exactly the type of people to be asshurt and buy the game anyways.
You don't honestly think the majority of people whining about this shit actually boycott the games and never buy them, right?
>>344682772
They're asshurt because those are ultracancerous generals that are perpetually asshurt about everything. They get asshurt about their own mothership titles.
Just to piss off Tharjafag
>>344682903
Everyone I know pirated the game because of the censorship. It's actually the only game I've ever piratedthat wasn't emulated.
>put clothes on character
>their breasts suddenly become fucking massive
>>344683073
>Everyone I know pirated the game because of the censorship.
In other words, 1 person pirated the game because of censorship.
>>344682339
You sound extremely prejudiced anon. "Respectable people" don't actually care about the idol coating as long as the game is good. Which it is, since duh, it's an Atlus RPG.
I don't buy censored games.
>>344683057
>dont let media bullies and paid shills stop you
every time
>>344683073
>Everyone I knowWe're not your friends.
>>344683057
I'm not sure if that image gets better or worse with each successive post from top to bottom.
But that does make me wonder: what is it about this game that it has a very vocal minority? What even makes Tsubasa "stand out" all that much in the grand scheme of other available media?
Did the game sell as bad in the west as it did in animeland?
>>344674590
>>344683761
Wait, was this the guy who was responsible for P3 and P4's awful translation?
>>344683894
nobody knows until noa puts out sales figures which won't happen.
Because just looking at it evokes a primal rage inside of me, something i only felt with FFX
>>344672930
Because I got a superior version for free.
>>344683073
You live in the hood with pirate niggers? They are the only one that steals/pirate
>>344681567
Literally a single piece of dialogue at the very end of the game.
>>344683581
Nothing about the game indicates that it's good. Not that it looks awful, but it doesn't look exceptional in any way either. The main thing it is advertised for is cutesy idol shit. Only the bottom feeding idiots buy things for cute girls.
The "we only care about gameplay" meme is dead. We already know most of you don't buy games for gameplay. You've proven again and again that most of you are casuals.
>>344684012
I wasn't aware the official narrative was that those were awful translations now.
But I did buy it...used. That's not a problem is it?
>>344684204
It's functionally the same as pirating, only you lose money.
>tfw the entire reason I bought a Wii U was because of the very first trailer
Despite the bullshit censorship and the way the game turned out altogether, I might buy it anyways. Fuck.
>>344684191
Your assumptions about the game are based on your prejudices. On top of that, you end your post with several generalizations. I don't see any reason to take you seriously.
>>344684191
>play the game for the cute girls
>end up with a husbando
>>344684012
I think he was just the editor. I don't know what editors can do to a localization though.
>localize weeb game
>cut out weeb elements so normies will buy it
>as a result weebs don't buy it
>but JP audio only because songs are hard to translate
>as a result normies don't buy it
>>344684317
except it's not
>>344684194
They actually are really bad. P3 wasn't as bad as P4 but they were both wildly inconsistent with "localization" (as an example, both English and Japanese honorifics were used). There was also a fuck-ton of dialgoue reworked, and the honorifics used weren't used the same way in the original.
Why would i buy a weeb game for a console i don't have?
>>344684503
My assumptions about the game are based on the advertising. My post ends with generalizations that are true. The majority of the people on this board don't prioritize gameplay. This board's taste and choices in video games shows a distinct inclination towards casual fluffy busywork bullshit and aesthetics being more important than actual immersive gameplay.
Why do you think this board loves the entire MGS series except for MGSV? Because MGSV lacks the wacky Japanese aesthetic and silly anime plots of previous titles and instead focused on gameplay.
And ok, I don't care what the fuck you think or if you take me seriously or not. Fuck off.
>>344684813
>cut out weeb elements so normies will buy it
what?
>>344684940
Pirate:
>you spend no money
>you play the game without paying Nintendo
Buy used:
>you spend money
>you play the game without paying Nintendo
>>344678491
not that anon but...
the typical storyline is:
mirage possesses some artist
artist then starts draining energy and emotions from everyone around them and run into a dungeon
the party tracks them down
theres an initial interaction where the possessed person displays some sort of infatuation related to their art, to the point where they refuse to interact with the party trying to free them of possession
the party has to leave, learn something about that artform, and display an equal or greater example
they come back and unveil it, breaking the possession
then the party battles the mirage that started it
this is usually done in as over the top fashion as possible
in the gravure dungeon it's a photographer obsessed with Maiko because his best work was done with her and he refuses to work with inferior talent. the player then finds the photobook he made with maiko, a series of bikini pics. looking at maikos expressions tsubasa feels inspired enough to don a bikini, and go back and model for the possessed photographer.
except in the us version its book is pictures of maiko in a sundress--which is fine. but then for some reason tsubasa wears a ridiculous hip hop outfit. it doesn't make sense and its pretty obvious where they changed lines to fit the new censored plotline.
If it wasn't censored I would have bought it, or at least if I was unaware it was censored. Like maybe if they didn't show it uncensored in trailers and E3 gamplay demos and then hand me the kiddy table version.
>>344685272
Fanservice, references to J-Idol culture, etc
>>344684813
>weebs didn't buy the game due to censorship!
That's cute. Guess it's the first game after years of unsuccessful boycotts for censorship that actually worked.
Or, y'know, it failed for unrelated reasons.
>>344685386
yeah pantyshots and references to gravure, that's correct.
if you think the game magically stopped being a huge weebfest because of that you are one deluded nigger.
>>344685149
Any localization from Japanese to English that doesn't rework almost all the dialogue is going to be a bad one, anon. You have a valid point about retaining honorifics (though not necessarily about their usage, since that also has to be configured for mainstream English speakers), but you still get plenty of mouth breathers who freak out whenever someone removes them.
>>344685442
It failed because it's a weeb game that, due to censorship, appeals to neither weebs nor normies.
>>344685519
>Any localization from Japanese to English that doesn't rework almost all the dialogue is going to be a bad one, anon.
How do you browse 4chan without watching anime?
>>344685536
I think it mainly failed because this game was suppose to be a SMT X FE crossover which failed at being either, and by doing so it pretty much had no audience.
>>344683894
The next earnings release is the 27th actually so we'll know soon.
>>344685678
I hope you're not trying to claim anime is known for its quality subs.
>>344685518
rude!
>>344685735
I think that's what killed the biggest part of its audience and then they decided to just go ahead and kill the majority of what little remained with the censorship, leaving only a scant few.
How many chapts does this game have?
I'm on chapter 3 right now.
DAILY REMINDER
>>344673068
>I want to have demons kick me in the nuts for not giving them a potion
Demon negotiation is in the game.
>>344685536
You're going to have to accept that censorship has nothing to do with why this game failed. Even if they didn't censor a single thing, it would have had similar sales.
Games with complaints related to censorship never really suffer significant losses in sales. I don't see why this game would be any different, particularly considering how minor the censorship is.
The censorship part doesn't matter. That's the simple truth. The game failed for other reasons.
>>344685818
>watching Crunchyroll
>>344674132
I'm waiting for US sales since most Nintendo Games don't really do well in UK
>>344686024
I hope you're not trying to claim fansubs are better or, in fact, not just crunchyroll rips these days.
>>344686023
>removing huge amounts of cultural context
>minor
It's practically Revelations: Persona all over again.
>>344686004
Stop
>>344673838
>not going the extra mile to subtitle the combat dialogue
Seems you don't know shit about localization. That would require changing the code drastically, and often produces bugs in games that do it.
>changing an entire dungeon to remove the gravure theme
Which has literally no effect on the story, so outside of not getting bikinis, why is it a problem?
Why does this game draw so much anon ire? It's basically persona gameplay but instead of personas you have fire emblem characters. It's a shame it was on wii u, not that it could have gone to another console but the install base definitely hurt its sales. And even if you bitch about censorship the restoration patch removes it. The game is a solid 7/10
>>344672930
Persona rip-off with idols, no thanks.
>>344686189
>i don't know what i'm talking about
>>344685519
I love how when Atlus does it for P4, it's great, but when Atlus DOESN'T ruin TMS's script, its horrible. You're such a fucking hypocrite.
>>344686189
Yes, minor. 95% of the audience won't even get those references, even the weebs. So that censorship is pretty minor. It's like whining about cultural jokes being removed from english translations when nobody is going to fucking get it, and it's unlikely that people will literally refuse to buy the game over it or even care.
>>344685442
The only successful censored game to come out from Nintendo in the past year was FE Fates.
>>344685997
>>344685735
>which failed at being either
If you play TMS and think it fails at either, you clearly never played either series even once.
>>344686413
>weebs don't know about idol culture
Shit, somebody go tell /jp/ and /a/.
>>344686393
I don't know who you think you're arguing with, but I haven't said anything about the script for this game.
>>344686132
Actually, in the past week, I watched three series that had exceptional sub jobs.
>Bunnyhat's SDF Macross
>GJM's Space Patrol Luluco
>Lemon's Nagato Yuki-chan
Don't forget about Commie's Monogatari and UTW
>>344686023
>Games with complaints related to censorship never really suffer significant losses in sales
How do you quantify that?
Your argument is saying that if something is successful and it's censored, it's proof that people don't care about censorship, and you're also arguing if something fails and it's censored, it's due to something else.
You framework present literally no way for the censorship to hurt sales. It will always be a non factor.
>>344686257
>Why does this game draw so much anon ire?
We wanted FExSMT, not IDOLSHITxPersona. I guess that's why. Not that FExSMT was exactly in high demand to begin with, but what they developed just looked like a generic moe idolshit spinoff of Persona.
The gaming market is flooded with games to play, and this game just looks okay and it's on a system that most people don't have, and it wasn't advertised much(or possibly at all?) and it's already a really niche market.
All of that is a recipe for a bomb. Just swimming upstream too much.
>>344686737
i don't watch anime
Demons are mirages, all based off either monsters, classes, and characters from FE, or stuff from the entertainment industry (a fair amount of movie references, like a creepy clown enemy called Nicklewise). Even your companion FE heroes are mirages. You can fuse them with enemy mirages and notMaca to power them up and change the skills you inherit from them. Battle system is straight SMT, with a very heavy focua on team building which is prevalent in both series. The game also takes place in Tokyo, and the Idolasphere (other world) has a themed heavily on both the occult and digital themes, ala digital devil story.
Weapon triangle, 80% of the enemies being FE classes, all named villains being FE characters, character and enemy classes being right out of FE, most wepons being straight from FE, level ups being random rolls FE-style, heavy focus on setting up the proper team and exploiting weaknesses, FE characters literally all over the place, FE music and sound effects, FE-style reclassing. There is also the Arena, which is a massive version the the arenas in FE, complete with gambling money on increasingly tough fights for more money, exp, and prizes. The character side stories are also formatted as FE-style relationship rankings).
And that is not mentioning all the little name drops and other little references.
>>344686216
>I'm okay with dressing up in silly clothes and singing
>wait I was never okay with dressing up in silly clothes!
>NOW I'm really okay with dressing up in silly clothes and singing
from
>I'm okay with dressing up in silly clothes and singing but still a little against showing some skin
>ehh it's just skin It'll be fine
>>344672930
because quite frankly her in-game model looks like shit
>>344686737
>>344686776
It is FExSMT. You being so caught up in your shitposting narrative that you never found that out is your problem.
>>344686495
Correlation =/= Causation
You're implying the negative reaction to censorship has impacted sales on these games and what has essentially caused them to fail. Good luck proving that.
>>344686853
>wait I was never okay with dressing up in silly clothes!
>but still a little against showing some skin
>ehh it's just skin It'll be fine
That isn't how the story goes, you just outed yourself as not having played the game.
She has issues with trying to pose for a camera and be the center of attention. The problem the photographer has is that she has no passion, energy, or respect for modeling. The lesson Tsubasa learns is to work together with the photographer, and pose with confidence. Showing skin was never an issue.
Now, go ahead and backpedal.
Reminder that sales numbers come out tomorrow.
Get your smug anime images ready to laugh at all the #FEfags.
>>344686978
I don't have to prove anything. Nintendo spent extra time, money, and manpower, to censor and edit their games, and the only hit among a list of about half a dozen was Fates.
Their censorship is proving ineffective in making these games sell more, which is the whole point.
>>344686776
>it wasn't advertised much(or possibly at all?)
I agree with this.
Outside of Shibuya and Akihabara, #FE was unheard of. I guess Nintendo really wanted to advertise the game to idol otaku.
Star Fox Zero got more advertisement in Japan than #FE. And I imagine in the west #FE got basically no advertising?
Combine no marketing along with a very small user base, the game is an almost guaranteed flop. Which is a shame, the game is actually not that bad.
>>344686216
>Which has literally no effect on the story,
Revelations: Persona had the same story as the original, so why do people complain about Black Mark?
Why do people complain about 4kids?
>>344687125
Where can I go check them?
>>344687152
>Their censorship is proving ineffective in making these games sell more
There is no proof of that. You would have to magically know that they would not have sold less if they hadn't been changed.
>>344687125
All I know is SOMEONE is going to get absolutely rumproasted and I will be there for it.
>>344687253
>so why do people complain about Black Mark?
Because it does. That changes the character entirely. Nothing in TMS changes the characters.
>Why do people complain about 4kids?
Because 4kids literally changes and cuts out major story events. Like entire arcs of anime literally removed. You don't seem to have any clue about what your are talking about.
>>344687125
None of them are claiming it sold well though, so I'm not sure what that would accomplish. Or do you think Operation Kowashitai is a serious thing?
>>344686776
>We wanted FExSMT
We got it, see >>344686851
>>344687116
>in the localized version
>>344687438
>it's okay when this thing is changed
>it's not when this other thing is because reasons
>>344686851
Anon stop. You're gonna kill the "idolshit" parrots.
>>344687272
You're turning your own argument against yourself.
You say that I have no proof that their editing hurt sales, now you're telling me to prove that their editing wasn't beneficial.
Completely ridiculous double standards.
If they had to put extra man hours in to try and make something not flop, and it sill flops, that's a failure on their end.
>>344687537
Sure you can make it sound like SMTxFE when you embellish all the aspects.
The FE and SMT influences are shallow at best.
>>344686732
The reverse is also true and more important:
If a game fails and was censored, it's because of the censorship. If it didn't fail and was censored, it..doesn't count?
I really don't need to prove that censorship hasn't affected sales. The sales speak for themselves where these games sell both well and badly *regardless* of the reaction of the "censorship" crowd has to them. If censorship were an actual issue that impacted sales, we would notice an actual impact on sales for these games that people whine about being censored, and we don't.
Because we have a ton of games that are censored and still sell like hotcakes regardless. Games that experience similar levels of "outrage" as these other games that you guys get all buttmad over. So why did your censorship protesting apparently sink #FE but it couldn't put a dent in Bravely Default? Why does it not seem to matter one way or the other whether you guys protest it or not? How can you ever prove that your "censorship protest" bullshit even matters? Or that most people claiming to boycott it don't just buy it anyways? Which probably happens a lot more often than you would think.
The simple point is you can't. So claiming the game failed because of censorship is unfounded and almost certainly untrue.
>>344687542
No, that's how it is in the uncensored version.
>>344687591
>"I can't read."
Thanks for letting me know.
>>344687684
>The FE and SMT influences are shallow at best.
You're just wrong. You are trying to make the aspects seem unimportant because you want them to be so your shitposting is justified.
>>344686851
>Battle system is straight SMT,
Is SMT literally the only RPG you've ever played? Because the combat system is completely devoid of actual SMT elements
>but weaknesses
Every game has weaknesses retard.
>but the elements are the same as in SMT
They're also the same as in Persona.
>>344687616
I'm not the guy you were arguing with, I just saw your post and knew it was fucking stupid.
>>344687749
>nothing in TMS changes characters
>except in one version a character poses for softcore pornography and in the other she doesn't
>>344687857
>and the Idolasphere (other world) has a themed heavily on both the occult and digital themes, ala digital devil story.
Look at this line and tell me it doesn't reek of desperation to correlate the game to MegaTen. It's a fucking stretch and a half. You're fucking pathetic, as is every #FE defender.
>>344687974
read >>344687116
>gravure is porn
You're a special kind of retarded.
>>344682339
>Chances are they don't own a Wii U
well that's true of most people
>>344683761
>never pick up senran kagura
why
>>344687720
>If it didn't fail and was censored, it..doesn't count?
I never said that. I will fully admit that Fates was a financial success.
But look at the numbers for Nintendo's other censored releases, They're not selling like hotcakes. If Bravely Second, a game that debut at number 9 is a rollicking success, then these are tiny victories on your part.
>>344688036
What about that line is wrong? See, I have played every mainline MegaTen game, and I would love to see how someone who obviously hasn't magically knows more about the series than me.
>>344687964
How about you actually read the conversation rather than just jump in like a dumbshit?
You're telling me putting in the hours to censor a game that flops anyway is a smart financial move?
>>344688070
The belief that "gravure is porn" might be why it was censored in the first place.
>>344688036
>this one thing you said out of tons of other things is kind of a stretch
>LOL, SO PATHETIC BTFO! I DID IT /V/, I DID IT!
What a horrible excuse for a human being you are.
>>344688192
>Megaten invented the occult
>the idolasphere somehow represents the occult
>only megaten games have an "other world" even though it's literally only two games and their spinoffs
>>344688192
My point is that the correlation is so shallow, it shouldn't even count.
Just look at the final dungeon. The background is a destroyed Tokyo. "Because destroyed Tokyo is always in MegaTen, that makes it MegaTen!" No, it's just a fucking background. It doesn't add anything to the plot or the lore. The actual Tokyo doesn't get destroyed so who cares. And they actually had the fucking nerve to use images of it in advertisements, tricking people into thinking it'd be a real destroyed Tokyo and it'd be like a real SMT game.
>>344687616
>You say that I have no proof that their editing hurt sales, now you're telling me to prove that their editing wasn't beneficial.
That's not what I said.
I said censorship can't be proven to have an impact on sales(and likely doesn't since nothing really correlates censorship with lost sales). The reality is that it's very, very unlikely that censorship has had a significant impact on their sales, and supposing that it IS what is causing sales for various games to fall takes far more faith than much more plausible explanations.
The other thing I'm claiming, though I can't precisely prove(but I'm likely right anyways), is that #FE didn't fail because of censorship. It failed for a multitude of unrelated reasons, and a complete lack of censorship is unlikely to have caused it to sell well or sell a relevant amount of increased copies.
>>344672930
Because the old hag isn't playable.
>>344686004
It really isn't.
because it was censored
>>344688460
>>344688516
>just because it shares all this stuff with MegaTen, doesn't mean it is like MegaTen!
>o-other games have these things too!
So, AGAIN, what would make it more like SMT? SMT didn't invent demons or angels. It didn't invent post-apocalyptic cities. So, by all means, show me how all the shit that guy listed is wrong, but all the shit you want is right.
>>344688460
>>only megaten games have an "other world" even though it's literally only two games and their spinoffs
So you never played Megami Tensei 1 or 2? Wow, you're a fucking idiot AND a poser. Go back to Nocture, you fucking casual.
I don't like nintendo thinking they can baby me. The game is rated T and Im well into my adulthood. Who are they trying to protect?
>>344688516
I loved the final dungeon. Reminded me of Nocturne.Rehashing bossfights was bullshit though.
>>344688790
It literally is.
>>344688167
>But look at the numbers for Nintendo's other censored releases, They're not selling like hotcakes. If Bravely Second, a game that debut at number 9 is a rollicking success, then these are tiny victories on your part.
But you are ASSUMING that this is because of Nintendo's censorship policies, which is a ridiculous leap in logic. How many people do you *actually* think care and refuse to purchase Nintendo games based off of covering some breast pixels?
Like for real, what percentage of the market do you think that impacts where it will actually cause them not to buy the game? Let's assume 100% is no censorship involved. They censor the game. What percentage does that go down to in your mind?
>>344689020
Another shot
>>344688697
Then why censor it anyway?
They put in the hours to 'localize' it to such an extensive degree, that they went and got the original VAs to record censored lines.
In Japanese!
You yourself are saying it would have failed regardless, but if that was the mindset, why edit in the first place? They obviously had aspirations of these changes making the game sell more.
But then you pull the line that I would have to magically know that it didn't help sales, while going off on this spiel that I have no proof that it hurt? Absurd.
>>344688962
People who aren't well into their adulthood?
>>344689153
>>344689020
>SMT invented post-apocalyptic tokyo
Wow, you'll just reach for any little thread, huh?
>>344688798
>game shares superficial elements with one game
>even though it shares just as many elements from other games
Shit, I didn't realize that TMS was actually a FINAL FANTASY GAME all this time! My eyes are opened!
>>344688886
>comparing the afterlife to the TV world
There are better ways to be disingenuous.
I heard that the ending was shit
>>344689039
No, I am saying that these games didn't end up selling like gangbusters, even after Nintendo went to extensive lengths to try and make them more 'compatible' with the western market.
They put in more hours into editing lines, changing models, altering gameplay, and got minimal returns.
>>344689283
Just posting some shots I took, anon. I don't mean to chime in in your dumb arguments.
>>344689358
There really isn't a way to describe it, you just have to sort of see it for yourself.
>>344689352
>MegaTen's digital world
>the afterlife
Please, stop trying to pretend you know what you are talking about.
>>344672930
I still haven't finished p3 nor started p4 and smt4.
>>344689358
It's your average happy ending. It's not like the game tries to make you care for its story anyhow.
>>344689352
You still haven't answered my question.
>>344672930
I don't buy trash.
>>344689352
So what separates SMT from Final Fantasy?
>>344673632
This, even without the censorship it looks stupid.
>>344689678
>What would make it more SMT
Well that's easy anon
>religious subtexts
>demon negotiation
>alignment choices and endings
>maybe killing god at the end
>apocalyptic/cyberpunk setting
>>344689768
See above.
>>344687253
>Black Mark
>Not the best
Persona 3 needs to be niggafied a bit, it might make the cast more tolerable.
>>344689948
What could have been
>>344689828
this makes me sad
>>344689938
But that would make it SMT, not SMTxFE
>>344689159
>But then you pull the line that I would have to magically know that it didn't help sales, while going off on this spiel that I have no proof that it hurt? Absurd.
I'm not the one who said that, dipshit. Pay attention.
>You yourself are saying it would have failed regardless, but if that was the mindset, why edit in the first place?
Because they had specific marketing ideas in mind? Because they didn't have the mindset that the project would bomb? Because they wanted to? Because they wanted to get a specific ESRB rating?
I could ask the same question of a million other things, but the simple matter is they weren't aware it would fail ahead of time. They made a mistake in localizing it at all assuming it would make money. Most people knew way back before ANY censorship was discussed that this game was going to bomb. Hell, if I looked through archives I could probably find my post predicting this game would bomb pretty soon after its announcement. Because it has too many things working against it.
You're also making it out like the localization changes or the "censorship" required inordinate amounts of work, and it doesn't. Editing a cultural reference or joke out of a script doesn't require any extra energy than leaving it in, and modifying a 3D model slightly isn't as arduous as you're making it out to be. You're acting like it cost them so much time and effort, and it didn't. They were small alterations to the game.
The mere fact that I don't care about censorship and the game itself being very good is why I bought it day one with the DLC included
>>344690203
Well obviously my idealized version would include interactions with Fire Emblem characters.
What also would have worked was having SMT characters in a Fire Emblem game.
>>344689938
>>religious subtexts
And that's not unique to MegaTen at all. In fact, FF games have far more emphasis on religion.
>>demon negotiation
That's in TMS.
>>alignment choices and endings
Not unique to SMT, and only in some of the SMT games. Not part of MegaTen or its spinoffs.
>>maybe killing god at the end
Not unique to MegaTen in the least, nor is it even part of all SMT games
>>apocalyptic/cyberpunk setting
TMS has that for a majority of the game. Not unique to MegaTen at all, or many of its spinoffs.
So, your list is far more superficial than >>344686851
>>344672930
I did, and I beat every sidequest too to get the best ending and Itsuki's business suit.
Also Kiria is best waifu go away Tsubasa.
