What's a good beginner location in CK2 besides Ireland I've already done them.
I'm trying to into CK2 after a long hiatus
Also>crusader kings 2 thread
Any mudslime country
>>344659424
the roman empire
>>344659424
Earliest starting date, eastern Iceland. Conquer western Iceland, and then just jerk off until Viking Age starts and you get free shipbuilding, then go around raiding for money and prestige. It's a very slow, but also very easy start which gives you enough play room and time and peace of mind to explore the features in the game, and allows you to make mistakes.
>>344659796
>eastern Iceland. Conquer western Iceland
Why not the other way around?
>>344659424
Play as a Duke in the safer parts of the Roman Empire like Ionia. Teaches you how to survive unlike Tutorial Island.
>>344659424
Basically any country in Iberia is a great choice for anyone who is bored of the tutorial island.
If you really want to stop being a casual though pick any slav country just before the mongols hit Europe
>>344659424
Castille or Leon, 1066
Muslims and the Norse are also ez mode for expanding militarily.
>want to start playing this game
>tutorial in game is useless
>no idea what the fuck to do
>look up youtube video
>Crusader Kings Tutorial Part 1/10
>Each video is 30 minutes long
>have to watch 5 hours of videos before I even know what to do
wtf
>>344660627
it's pretty easy to figure the game out if you are not retarded you know ;^)
>>344660627
Just play. You can only really pick things up by playing.
>>344660064
Because eastern provides fighting bonus for defender, western doesn't.
Any pagan country surrounded by pagan tribes. It's fairly simple to build up a nation, and as soon as the church gives you trouble you can convert, and by the time this happens you have enough land to not need the pagan cassus belli advantages. If you minmax you can make a fucking astonishingly strong character who's fairly young but has martial stats out the ass, and if you mentor your heirs you'll never lack for a good military since martial stat directly influences the amount of levy you can raise.
When you pick wives go for eugenics, look for strong and/or smart ones.
However, in all likelihood, your heir won't be the one that gets the good traits because fuck you.
>>344659424
Iberia is always the go-to starter zone in every paradox game
its the best to learn about the politics and marriage system, religions, war and basically everything in the fairly isolated microcosm of Iberia
>>344659796
This can very quickly get you raped by someone looking to be king of Norway.
So just watch out for that.
>>344661323
Yes it happened once to me actually, but I have a save where it's year 1100 and I've got like 50k score so far with a gigantic levy and income. But my current save is as Emperor of Novgorod, King of Novgorod, Rus and Ruthenia, dealing with civil war for council power after civil war for council power, latest one was the 25th one I believe.
>>344659424
Just play a province and learn to git gud based on failures.
Reminder: go into Steam and set 2.4.5 so you don't have to deal with Conclave shits
All dlc can be obtained from /gsg/
/gsg/ is just circlejerk, though, so don't hang around afterwards
>>344661323
Yeah, that Fairhair cunt will come after you if you aren't lucky or take steps to secure a non-aggression pack before then.
>>344661526
I think the thing to watch out for is if someone manages to get a decent jarldom on the mainland of Norway, then you need to watch your ass.
I love doing Ural, taking everything from bjarmia over to sibir. You avoid most of the mongols and the Rus circlejerk that way.
How the fuck do I get CK2+? Is it only available through the official forum?
basileia rhomaion with HIP mod
>>344662147
>HIP mod
>>344660627
just fucking play ffs you'll get it
the learning curve isn't that steep
just click on a county and click on the "claimants" tab to see who has a claim. Then you can invite them to your court and wage war for their claim, or you can try and get a claim through marriage yourself.
Understand the de jure and de facto system
just build shit and do whatever you want, you have no goal other than surviving through the ages
>>344659424
islamist terrorists aren't bad choice
you may try peaceful pagans as well
>>344662598
also vassal management is important. Don't have more vassals than what you can handle otherwise you're going to have to start creating dukes and petty kings (if you even become an empire)
Also if you have a vassal in another de jure region, the de jure lord can forcefully or peacefully ask you to transfer vassalage to him
Just right click and read the options
>>344659424
Iberia. It starts fragmented, and there's a lot of territory you can take w/o penalty due to religious differences, so long as you're patient and choose your times wisely.
>>344660627
>decide to give CK2 a try after countless hours of EU3/4
>skip tutorial because fuck you
>no idea what to do
>enjoy it anyway
>end with empire
It's funny because I've taken so many stupid choices it hurts
making the council more of a shitstain was an awful idea. You already have to deal with factions, shitty barons/dukes/priests who all always get the desire to have your holdings and titles that the only way to keep an empire going for a few generations is to constantly murder the holders so they get heirs in and they have to spend time consolidating power.
But let's make the people you use to do all your useful stuff have the abilty to fuck your mouth if you ignore their hurt feelings for a couple months.
>>344663575
get good lol
>new DLC will allow you to turn off some of the retarded additions Paradox added lately
I'm hype. If they put an 'India y/n' option I will be so happy.
Anybody else playing that Game of thrones CK2?
Don't really know anything about the story itself to but I just managed to get my to become a dragon rider so that's pretty sweet in itself
>>344659424
I was just about to make a thread when I saw this on the front page.
What are some fun challenges?
I've already done everything from restoring a Hellenic Roman Empire to conquering africa as a west african tribal.
Any good mods?
>>344659796
>Earliest starting date
Don't play Charlemagne and try to avoid The Old Gods. Even ignoring all the ahistorical and completely made up stuff in it, the start just makes europe look like a roadkill or Muslims conquer everything.
>>344663793
I think the recent blogs look pretty neat
The new DLC will apparently have end of the world event shit and maiming is more personnel as in specific body parts will get maimed and those are tied to events, one example they showed was of a character getting disfigured and putting on a mask
I'm guessing that it will release at the end of October because of Halloween
>>344659424
Serbia/Rashka, earlier the better.
You start surrounded by weak/equal neighbors, and the immediate looming threat of the Byzantine Empire. It's surprisingly fun trying to figure out how to hold off that gigantic pink tide that touches your 3-province border.
>the first time i played Serbia, i got the event chain giving me a priestess with 33 martial skill named Dulcina
>make her my marshal though an event and she completley shuts down the invading Byzantine army despite being massivley outnumbered
deus vult
>>344664152
the whole point of the game is that it's alternate history memery you fucking dip
>>344664168
I personally don't like it.
CK2 is the only venue I can go to for a realistic medieval experience and it's the reason why it became so popular, but they keep adding nonsensical and fantastical shit, like the Aztecs invasion or Cthulhu and teleporting demonspawns events.
>>344664152
Bordergore is inevitable no matter what date you start on.
>>344664367
yeah the end of the world shit is pretty dumb from what i've seen
upgraded maiming seems neat though
![Crusader%20Kings%20II%20-%20Rules%2001[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vJXruiD.jpg "Crusader%20Kings%20II%20-%20Rules%2001[1].jpg")
>>344664367
The new DLC has a fantasy option you can turn off.
>>344664482
People did think the world was coming to an end during the black death.
Central Africa.
Unite that shit and slowly push your way up to the mudslimes, teaching them the fury of AFRICAN RAGE
>>344664410
It's not if you start in 1066, which is why it's the recommended start in HIP and CK2+.
>>344664293
Incorrect. The starting dates (up until Old Gods and Charlemagne) were all historically accurate and the goal of the game used to be having as much of a realistic medieval experience as possible. No abstract shit, no magic. And the reason why people who aren't dumb dislike pre-Stamford Bridge starts and dumb shit like Rajahs of India is because the grand majority of the game is built around playing as a medieval european ruler, and the mechanics for everything else are jury rigged based on that, which makes them either shitty or overpowered and completely ruin the feel of the game.
>>344664512
>First option is Gender Equality
Fuck you Johan, eat my shit.
>>344664695
oh yeah remember that time the Irish conquered all of Britain?
or when the Roman empire reemerged with original borders and everything in 1256?
good times haha i sure do love history as it really happened
I dunno how people "struggle" with CK2 I'd say it's easiest grand strategy from Parajews desu
>>344664512
>Ironman Mode - Disabled
>Achievements enabled
what is this casul shit did the babbies cry about not getting their achievoos via savescumming?
>>344664827
AI Ireland can't conquer England/Britain unless they get a very opportune inheritance.
Unless you mean what the player can do, in which case, good job, you've figured out how games work, but that still doesn't make it ahistorical or make it let you be ahistorical just for the sake of it. Just because the game's limiation and dumbed down design choices don't stop you from conquering the wrold doesn't mean it's not a historical game.
>>344665197
>that still doesn't make it ahistorical
oh yes the Irish conquering all of Britain is 100% historically accurate :)
>>344664512
The shattered retreats is some of the most annoying shit. Oh yeah the army that just got beaten will retreat all the way across europe at lightning speed.
>>344660627figuring out what to do is the fun part
>>344665297
>he just repeats what he said earlier in incomprehension
oh man you're one slow cookie aren't you?
>>344666372
nice ad hominem
>>344665197
It's never been a historical game, it's always been alt-history.
Historical and sandbox are mutually exclusive.
>>344666491
yes it is, now kindly go back to your favorite forum
>>344666591
Fuck off Wiz, nobody buys your games for the ebin fantasy
>>344666843
Actually, most people do.
Only a vocal minority gets upset at anything that doesn't railroad you through history.
>>344666591
>It's never been a historical game, it's always been alt-history.
Proofs? Please give me something other than reddit screencaps where they revive Zoroastrianism just to marry their sisters.
>>344667034
>Proofs?
The game. It's literally impossible to play through it in an historical way.
>>344666936
Sure thing bruh, enjoy your next DLC or more ebin vikings and women in command of armies!
>>344661693
t. Rob
>>344667249
>>344667034
>ebin
That's when you know someone has lost the argument.
>>344664152
>the start just makes europe look like a roadkill or Muslims conquer everything.
in my game france conquered everything from bits of spain to germany, some swedish guy formed the tribal empire of scandinavia, and bizantine empire almost reached poland territory, so there's like 3-4 big states that never changed borders in a couple hundred of years
meanwhile Abbasid blob exploded and north africa and middle east is a fucking mess
Croatia... You can grab duklja pretty easily and hungary is prone to anarchy.
>>344667536
/gsg/ please go, there isn't any way you don't realize you're shit
anyone else think empires should be unable or at the very least extremely restricted in declaring de jure wars?
it just bugs me to see the game start automatically with a "de jure war for ghent" in the 1066 start
>>344667925
>empires should be unable or at the very least extremely restricted in declaring de jure wars
how does that make any sense at all
>tfw they finally patched seduction so your wife doesn't take 10,000 dicks from everyone.
>>344668050
lol maybe your wife
my wife is, always was and always will remain pure
>>344667992
well the example I mentioned happens in 99% of the games while at the same time being ungodly unhistorical
empire de jure claims are just way to large and generate silly wars
>>344668176
>unhistorical
oh boy look everyone it's captain autismo not understanding video games and wanting to restrict gameplay for the sake of something completely irrelevant and unconnected to the game again...
>>344668176
If anything the problem is with how the HRE itself works.
It's still just "a big kingdom" and that sucks.
>>344668330
It's handled better in EUIV
I hate how it is in CKII
>>344668276
>doesn't care about history
>plays grand strategy
why exactly?
>>344668174
You never appreciate how irritating it is until you do a female ruler playthrough and have 30 people trying to fuck you every month. I'm surprised it wasn't fixed right out of the gate.
>>344668387
to be fair the HRE was significantly more unified in the CKII time period
>>344668330
well you could tie de jure wars to centralization laws, with each higher tier of government requiring more centralization in order to declare them, would give the player incentives to create lower ranked titles
>>344668453
news flash: the game doesn't railroad you through actual historical events, it's alt history and if you are incapable of comprehending that you should stop playing video games altogether
>>344668675
no instead due to bad mechanics it railroads you through an ahistorical event, which is even worse
but since history doesn't matter I guess we should freely allow the pope to convert to hinduism at the start of the game right?
>>344668675
>>344668276
This debate has been done to death and frankly I would rather you don't intervene at all if you're not familiar with the concept of plausibility.
>>344668783
It's a sandbox game, so yes, it's going to be ahistorical.
If you want pure history go watch a documentary or something.
>>344668675
The game isn't meant to be alternative history, the game simply can't simulate real history because the mechanics aren't advanced enough.
Everything about the game is historical until you make it not be that way. Its' laws, its' starting dates and characters, its' economy, its' inheritance system and its' wars.
>>344664152
>muh ahistoric alternative history vidya :((((
>>344669165
>Its' laws, its' starting dates and characters, its' economy, its' inheritance system and its' wars.
are you autistic what the fuck is this shit lmfao
>>344668783
It's never raileroaded in CK2 or Eu4. Railroading is like in Victoria 2 where you play a full game and the map never changes. At least when I play CK2 or EU4 I know it will be a different experience.
>>344659424
Finland.
Make sure you get the portrait pack. It makes their women the hottest out of them all and encourages you to take concubines.
>>344663950
CK2 GoT is fun as hell as somebody who loves the lore of that universe. Everytime I click on a county its a nice little surprise of 'Oh thats that character!'
>>344669312
I'm talking about in the 1066 start guaranteed in literally every single case the first thing that happens is a war between the HRE and France over the county of ghent, followed by a war for every single county in the duchy of flanders the very second the peace treaty ends
despite that duchy being de jure part of france from every single historical pov
seriously start up a game in 1066 as anyone other than the emperor himself, that war happens instantly
>>344669590
if you think one war disproves his point you're wrong my man
>elder kings takes a year to update every time
>diadochi kings is dead
At least After the End is still going well.
>>344669532
Where should I start to get enjoyment? Want to play a custom ruler to self-insert myself like an autist.
>>344663950
>>344669532
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised how detailed and well thought of this mod is. They incorporated almost every DLC perfectly. It's not just >LETS DO A NEW EBIN MAP AND LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE XDD stuff like you see everywhere, they've put shitload of work and love into it. Even created some unique mechanics (like megawars)
>>344669915
If you like books/series then you'll probably be better of starting one of the lastest timelines.
now the real question is how do i git gud at this piece of shit
HOW DO I TURN OFF AUTOSAVE ON 4TH OF JANUARY AND 4TH OF JULY
PLEASE
I ALWAYS ONLY PLAY ON MAX SIMULATION SPEED, IT'S ANNOYING AS FUCK
>>344669532
Is Aegon supposed to conquer the fuck out of everyone? Is there a way to stop it?
>>344670417
Game Options>Game>Autosave Interval
>>344670629
I have it turned off, this autosave happens always on the 4th of january and the 4th of july, regardless of autosave option (which is TURNED OFF).
>>344670335alcohol
>>344670335
build liquor factories
>>344670335
It plays pretty much the same as Europa Universalis, just use your national focuses to increase clergymen and clerks in your biggest states. Otherwise it's a waiting game until you can start your next war.
>>344670417
>>344670792
It's forced on those dates on Ironman. Solution is to not play Ironman.
What upgrades do you go for in your holds guys? Just started playing as croatia.
>>344671261
All economic upgrades.
I only build cities.
>>344670335
Laissez-faire
>>344659424
Africa, as a white aztec worshipper
