Zero Escape: Zero Time Dilemma
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Actual spoilers within.
Tread lightly.
how do you think he's doing?
>>344610962
He's probably getting some well-earned rest.
I am amazed at how people can defend Junpei in ZTD when the point of the character was the he was acting like a tryhard and even Akane called him out multiple times.
>>344611330
I liked Junpei in the previous, but I don't see how anyone can like him in ZTD, it doesn't make sense that he's just gonna propose to Akane after not getting any real answers and being strung along by her
>>344610962
He thinks everyone liked the game, since the reviews were written by people who let their love of the last two games bias their review of ZTD. He's probably sleeping and either doesn't know or doesn't care about all the people he pissed off with MIND HACKS, COMPLEX MOTIVES, and AYYLMAO TRANSPORTER.
>>344611095
sleep tight writer
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
ZTD complaints aside, I'm sad that ZE threads are in the process of slowly dying off. They were some of the best threads on /v/ and I'll miss how fun they were
>>344611623
Doesn't really matter either ways, does it?
It's impossible to reconcile what occurred in ZE3 and, to be blunt, ZE4 most likely won't happen.
>>344611545
The ring scene wascute, but I agree that it just doesn't make any real sense that Junpei was showing so much animosity to her for real justified reasons, but he still proposes to her like that without getting any solid closure between them
>>344611767
I wish I was there when it was considered it's hey days, I only finished the game today and had to avoid them all for the last 2 weeks or so.
>>344611545
Fuck, there is no excuse for taking a picture vs taking a screenshot on a Vita.
>>344611767
It was a full autism fest like now at the launch?
everyone was whining at the game too?
>>344612360
you should have seen it m8, people were out for Uchi's blood
Akane's difference in character makes a lot more sense if you assumeshe actually interacted with her brother as a person and not a tool to save her own ass, and simply let him and his husbando live in peace while she finished her bullshit.
So she's not that bad compared to "Jumpy". Fuck that guy.
>>344612453
Seven was straight as they come, man
>>344612453
>The ends don't justify the means you guys!
>Hey, let's nuke this facility with the reactor so that we can SHIFT, who cares if it kills D-Team?
Why is Akane never called out on her shit?
Where do I acquire the soundtrack?
>>344612670
S-shut up Lotus.
was Delta Dashiell Gordain as well?
>>344612768
I though you can download it as a free DLC
>>344612926
Nope, it's gone along with the booklet DLC.
So what's the canonical reason for Akane's and Jumpy's hair turning purple?
Did Delta put the Soporil root in All-Ice's coffin?
>>344610857
A lot of the things they explained ended up being pretty fucking lame
>why did sigma become punished?>got fucked trying to blow a door open
>why did fucking everything in vlr happen?>mira felt like being a cunt
What letdowns
>>344613012
More of a style choice, I guess. I mean, there's no explanation as to why Phi suddenly has red eyebrows (even though it means she originally has red hair) instead of, um, black lines as eyebrows in VLR.
Akane was kinda meh but I liked how Junpei looks in this game.
>>344613184
what I'm most disappointed with was Free the soul, which was built up hugely throughout both previous games and turns out to just be a ruse by Delta because he figures using a virus is the best way to kill a terrorist
I mean look at all the hints that are either utterly meaningless now or absurd
http://zeroescape.wikia.com/wiki/Free_the_Soul
>>344613184
>why did fucking everything in vlr happen?
>mira felt like being a cunt
What do you want some kind of huge Radical-6 explosion?
Delta didn't really wanted to spread radical-6 at all so why did he would do something like that?
>>344613036
Well you see anon,Schroedinger's Cat.
>>344613012
Akane's hair turned purple because she tried washing her hair at the same time in the washing machine where she was washing her purple dress from 999.
Junpei's hair turned purple due to stress from all of the shit he's seen within the past year. It's quickly greying and he's on his way to becoming Tenmyoldy.
I DEMAND /ss/ ART OF MIRA AND SEAN
We know that Delta released radical-6 on purpose to stop a terrorist, but why the fuck did radical-6 come into creation in the first place, and how did Delta get his hands on it exactly?
>>344613992
well you see anon, his motives are-
>every team has aZeroon it
I wasn't too happy with the end, but I still enjoyed the little things like that.
>>344614076
complex
>Vlr
>Seven says he doesn't know where Junpei is because he is off searching for Akane and couldn't get a hold of him
>ZTD
>they worked together at a time and Junpei worked for a detective agency so he could have been easily found
>>344613992
>We know that Delta released radical-6 on purpose to stop a terrorist
1st of all why Delta release radical-6 was just to trigger all that happened on VLR so they go back in time and end up with the happy ending on ZTD
2nd i think he must created the virus
>>344613992
>how did Delta get his hands on it exactly?
life is unfair
>>344613493
>Disappointed that something built up in the ZE series ended up being a ruse
You really should have expected this.
>>344613474
Akane is pretty damn hot in ZTD. She's got great hips.
>>344613992
because he saw it happen so he knew he had to make it
also quantum computer can calculate all timelines so he knows everything
>>344610857
*and his eye.
Where are you on the chart, anon?
I'm in the transition from 4 to 5
>>344613859
It's anime ya dingus they're just taking liberties with the color because it's more interesting visually. Their hair colors are still black and brown. The booklet even specifically calls Junpei's hair "raven black".
I will never not be mad for a couple reasons, just finished the game
>Q/Sean obiviously bad writing, Sean was never called Sean until the reveal that he was'nt Q, and then after everyone litteraly spouts his name
>Gore felt forced and was'nt anything really special, no fear or anticipation like in 999, it was litteraly ketchup
>Only Carlos and Sean are likeable; the others characters all lost their identity of did'nt act accordingly (Akane is dumb 90% of the time, and Sigma is a little too... I dunno but it's his nature, I guess)
>D-TEAM was surprisely the best team, if we forgot THAT FUCKING TRANSPORTER WHO WAS ADDED TO FILL UP PLOT HOLES, there were litteraly next to no foreshadowing for this one apart from (AND MAYBE, ONLY MAYBE) All-ice and Schrodinger cat for the SOIS cunt
>Kyle was litteraly cucked, "?" was probably Delta but still man
>Zero is a literally who and was'nt convincing at all
>I don't know what to put more I'm sure there are other things uchikoshi fucked up
I'm glad I discovered 999 about 20th june of 2015, I can't imagine waiting 4 years for this shit
999 was the best of them all actually
>>344614551
stop pushing this "ztd is awful" meme>>344614595
>>344614551
still on anger cause i finished it just an hour ago
>>344614679
Sorry for typos or grammar error I'm on phone and mad
Use up all my laptop battery to finish ZTD
>>344614679
Don't forget complex motives anon
Carlos = GOD
>>344614551
I'm 9/9. I very much enjoyed ZTD, and I couldn't bring myself to be mad at a power of friendship ending. I get anger like >>344614679 though. Such an odd ending to a well-thought out series.
>Junpei never shifted during the events of VLR
>SOIS was the one planning to destroy FtS HQ, it ends up being Seven and Junpei instead
Did they save money by switching to 3D?
List of Zero Escape characters most cucked out of relevance/existence:
1. Kyle
2. Aoi
3. ??????
help me finish this
Why were Sean's endings the only ones to elicit any emotions from me?Why do I still feel this way even though I think the concept of robots having feelings is stupid and impossible?
There's literally never been a series that has this much intricacies and mind fucks that had a tightly written ending. Go on, name one.
>>344615428
Left
>>344615428
Snake.
>>344615440
>even though I think the concept of robots having feelings is stupid and impossible?
Some scenes were fantastic
>The whole Sigma and Diana trapped
>Twins getting set back in time
>The realization when Phi is their daughter
>Carlos being Carlos
>Sean's happy ending
>MINDHAC
But then the quality would dip hella hard with shit from Junpei and Akane and Mira and Eric and that fucking ending
All and all, I still loved the game, but I can see why people hate it
>>344615526
Homestuck
Umineko
>>344615593
Snake is too busy enjoying his cult of harp thirsty sluts
>>344615582
>>344615593
man, I had even forgotten about left after just playing ZTD
so
1. Left
2. Kyle
3. Aoi
4. Snake
5. Everyone else from both games
>>344615175
...I love Carlos as well, but is there any particular reason why he's god?
Who had more complex motives? Zero or the Dallas shooter?
>>344611095
Awww.
>>344615428
3. ?
Because fuck, that was supposed to be Blick Winkel
>>344610857
>It's going to be nyakane isn't it
>It's not
FUCK
why the fuck did phi have glasses on
>>344615680
I know you're baiting but fuck, at least ZTD had a better ending than Homestuck, fuck you Act 7, fuck you Vriska, fuck you Hussie.
>>344614417
I kinda preferred Akane with brown hairbut you're right about that
>>344612737
The whole game is about killing the characters in every timeline.
>>344616218
I miss her hairstyle and the flowers in her hair, Phi's too. I dunno what the new character designer had against hair flowers.
was there anything redeeming about eric and/or mira?
>>344616091
I didn't even bother going back to read it after yet another Act 6 hiatus while he worked on the game.
So redpill me.I actually thought it hadn't ended yet. Fucking Bleach somehow is still going, although it is on its last leg.
>>344614679
If you input Sean in who killed Mira, Eric will say "I knew it was you" before blowing his brains out, they also call him Sean if you shoot Delta in the study which can happen before the Q reveal (it's how I found out about it and I didn't even realize what it meant until I saw the explanation). It's definitely the dirtiest trick they played to pull the twist off but it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility and it really would have given it away.
To me the game seemed like it was trying to be pretty ridiculous on purpose so the exaggerated gore didn't bother me too much.
Agree on the third point.
All the teams had good characters with bad ones except D-team which was just sort of middling. I liked Phi and Sigma better in VLR, their banter felt more fun and natural.
>>344616265
Motherfucker.
>What will you do?
>Open the spoiler
>or
>refrain?
>>344616297
They get a fanfic ending which is so dumb it's hilarious.
>>344616265
Nyakane is both alive and dead until you check the spoiler and observe her.
I feel like if they gave Eric his moments, like him protecting Sean or him seeing through Mira's bullshit, he would be a much better character. I think moments like that could really let him redeem himself.
>>344615676
I just can't get past the fact that they're programs. Programs can't feel anything, they don't have the meat matter to produce the chemicals that cause the sensation of emotions, they can emulate emotional behavior at best but they aren't actually experiencing it.And yet I still teared up a bit. Only a little though.
>>344616297
Mira at least kills Eric in the ending where they escape.
That's something
>>344616536
Yeah i remember the i knew it was you when i putted sean but i was asking myself "how does he know" instead of "why he is calling him sean" ?
>>344616832
>they can emulate emotional behavior at best but they aren't actually experiencing it.
Did the chinese room shit in VLR teach you nothing. The point was to put forward the idea that humans are no different.
>>344616297
Mira is fun.
>>344615678
I think that's how I feel about VLR. I see people making a list of grievances and I just think "but the good stuff was so good that those things don't really bring it down for me." With ZTD though, I think there wasn't quite as much positive to outweigh the negative but I still had fun regardless.
I just started playing.
> pick blue coin
lol, wow... that was the fastest game I've ever beaten.
>>344616536
>I liked Phi and Sigma better in VLR, their banter felt more fun and natural.
I do too, but since it's not really the same Sigma from VLR, I can let that slide.
>tfw no 12 twelve inches
Did you guys have a sheet where you did some of the puzzle solving, how's it look after beating the game? I noticed it didn't get nearly as much usage as it did with 999.
>>344617254
Carlos is Left
Diana is the heart-ripper
Q is actually Quark's body with Kyle's conscience in it.
Gab is Zero
>>344616297
I thought Eric was funny and his reaction to getting his hands on a weapon was great (just shoot this grenade launcher in the study, why not) but I can understand why people would find him irritating. Mira really didn't have much going for her unless you love boobs, I guess.But I still liked the dysfunctional family that was Q team, always a hair's breadth away from killing each other.
did it feel like phi was barely in this game even though everyone was always talking about her?
>>344617372
i used notepad docs and i feel like a lot of the more puzzles in this game didn't actually need any extra work like the laser mirror puzzle compared to the others
>>344617258
18*
>>344617372
What puzzle could you have possibly needed that for? Most of it was just memory based.
The "time to decide" image is fucking perfect for OCs, holy shit.
>>344617037
I read it, but it didn't change the fact that robots lack the organic matter to feel the chemical reaction required. It's an interesting idea, I just didn't agree with it.
>>344616832
>they don't have the meat matter to produce the chemicals that cause the sensation of emotions
You're acting like that makes sense anyways. Humans are just really complex jumbles of atomic elements. Yet these enormous collection of atoms feel things like sadness and happiness, or coordinate enough to feel the want to play video games. Isn't that crazy, how things that have no sense of self or even a higher center of thought can somehow combine together into something that feels emotions and wants things? If a bunch of atoms can feel emotions, then I don't see why a bunch of 1s and 0s can't.
>>344617950
Not him, but I have a terrible memory. I pretty much had to write everything down that was supposed to be memorized.
>>344617959
My fucking sides
>>344617853
>did it feel like phi was barely in this game
now i think we bealive each character had little screen time because on this game every character was the main character
Daily reminder
Diana is an impure cunt
>>344617539
You're a bad man.Don't bullshit me.
>>344618330
yeah but those tits
>>344618230
>>344617853
i think it's because she's dead for a lot of it and doesn't jump between timelines as much as all the previous protagonists and she's not the leader (or "leader") of a group.
I am replaying VLR now and pretty much all the stuff they say here is useless, no more relevant or accurate.
>>344618330
I hate her so much.
>>344618396
>tfw Phi didn't inherit them
>>344618534
i loved her so much until i heard her story
>>344618079
Man, that jumpsuit really kills the mood.
>>344618330
She has a great body.
>>344618330
She was just drunk, why are people mad
>>344618725
Wasn't talking about that
She accept sex with her ex-husband everytime
>>344618330
The only characters that were pure were Sean and maybe Carlos.
>>344618396
Akane: Best hips
Phi: Best butt
Mira: Best tits
Diana: Most well-rounded
Is this true?
>>344610857
How can Junpei SHIFT anyway? Aren't espers divided into receivers and transmitters? I thought Akane was one and Junpei the other, so shouldn't only one of them be able to SHIFT?
>>344618893
Phi is too you bitch.
>>344618953
Didn't you get the memo? Everyone can SHIFT now.
>>344618953
when lots of espers are together something something resonance something something
The final choice was dumb as hell. We murdered our alternate selves multiple times, Akane did it without a care in the world, so did Carlos
Now suddenly when a bomb is about to go off Akane brings up how horrible it is?
I guarantee nobody even hesitated to jump
>>344618953
Junpei can SHIFT since 999 dumb fuck
when he get the password for the cofing and remember all is when he shift with himself
>>344619080
Shut up dumb fuck
>>344618939
>Mira: Best tits
Lotus had the best tits and best body. Best face too
But goddamn they made Akane really sexy in this game. I thought she was supposed to look plain and cute, that's how she was described in 999.
In this she's a walking sexpot wtf.
>>344619195
???
He used the morphogenic field to get the code to the coffin.
>>344618993
I'm not talking sexual or else Mira would be pure too which clearly isn't the case, I mean in the purest sense. Phi isn't a young child nor is her motivation being a hero, she's kind of snarky and maybe a little cynical. It doesn't mean she's impure, just neutral.
>>344619318
>He used the morphogenic field to get the code to the coffin.
It's the same thing Akana on ZTD say it SHIFT is just a simple word for "morphogenic field magic shit"
>>344619452
No shifting specifically means moving into your body in a different timeline. They are quite clear about this.
Regular morphogneic field shit is just telepathy.
>>344617959
post template
>>344619186
I don't even know why she hesitates. With her BttF metaphor, she says something along the lines of "for some reason M2 did the same thing as M1 and jumped to M1's timeline, which means there aren't two Ms in either timeline." With that she says that M2, of his own free will, jumped to M1's timeline, so it's not like they were killing their alternate future selves by choice. The alt future cast decided to themselves.
>>344619195
No you idiot, young Akane told him the code because she saw it in an alternate history.
>>344617258
>tfw Sigma will never destroy me with his 12 inches
Life is simply unfair.
>tfw nobody will ever appreciate remember11 as much as you
>His teachings were considered too profound for ordinary people to understand
>Quote about Brother from before ZTD
Was Complex Motives actually seeded?
>>344618828
It's not her fault, she's just a woman.
It's in her genes to be fucked by abusive men.
>>344620207
I think it's implied that he cheated with his mind hack to get more followers.
>In his own words, Delta has complex motives.
Even the wiki is getting in on the meming game
Is everyone except Carlos Japanese? At first I thought Mira and Eric were American, but then we learned Akane's dad was convicted for Mira's crimes,
>>344620213
She's a bitch inside of her
just face it anonwomans are like that
>>344619863
Not him, but thanks.
>>344620968
Doesn't it make way more sense to assume he was on a business trip than to base all the characters' nationalities on another character's dad that we never meet ?
>>344619634
>mfw I just accessed it to find something someone misplaced
Feels good to be an esper
>>344620124
Me too anon. R11 is my favorite VN I don't care what anyone says.
>>344621815
This thread has high potential.
>>344619734
It's because they were taking "happy" versions of themselves I think. Completely unknowing. Atleast the others were already fucked anyway with the decision game shit.
>no phi epilogue
next main character confirmed?
>>344622578
>Thinking there's gonna be a new game
>>344622714
Why did everyone's lower lip look so fucking weird in this game.
Just finished the game tonight.
I understand why people nitpicking the story would have problems with it, but fuck it I really enjoyed it. It's just as ridiculous as 999's or VLR's story was near the end, but by the time you get to that point you've already been through so many great moments that it doesn't matter anymore. There's plot holes and lame explanations for some stuff, who cares. It was a fun ride and it hit the same highs as the other games did for me emotionally.
I teared up a little bit when they had to send the babies through the transporter when they ran out of food. I think the thought of everyone starving to death afterwards, just hoping that the copy of their children went on to live a better life, was heartbreaking.
If only there was a history where they discovered the pantry though...
>>344623415
>tfw you discover the pantry and you send a copy of your kids to the past every 10 months
i like this picture
>>344624094
>now there's several deltas wheeling around, each one with motives more complex than the last
>>344624620
>post yfw Zero Escape 4 is all the deltas trapped in a new decision game
>the zero is all the versions of Phi
How old was Eric supposed to be
>>344624895
Mid 20's would be my guess.
>>344624895
I'd take a guess at Late 20s since his age is unknown.
>>344624895
not old enough to realize he's too stupid to have any reason to be stubborn (mid 20s to 30? it was always kind of implied by others that akane and junpei are kind of young and never for eric, so i'd assume he's older)
>>344623415
That's the general consensus. Not as crazy as VLR, not as clever as 999, but a fun ride. Carlos is great, the puzzles are still fun, there's some goofy bits and some really tense moments.
Also they probably found it shortly afterwards, it's not like they would just sit around and starve.
>>344625080
No, they never found the pantry. The only food they had was from the bar. There would have been years of food in the pantry.
Discovering the pantry would have required them to realize that there was only one ward and the other rooms were hidden with the holographic projection technology.
ZTD would have been better if it also took place on the moon
>>344624726
>I can see what you're all thinking and hack your brains at all times
>Doesn't see the worlds most telegraphed kick coming straight to his face
This must be the TRUE power of mind hacking
>>344625286
He knows. He's saying they probably found it shortly after the bar ran out. The hunger being the phirahna in their tank so to speak
>>344625372
How the hell did she even make that jump? The only reason she could do it in VLR was because it was on the moon.
>>344625436
No.
Sigma counted the food in the bar and determined it would last around 10 months.
Sigma boned Diana around 5-6 weeks. (Month and a half)
They ran out of food relatively soon after Diana gave birth approximately 9 months later.
>>344625372
Can't hack an object flying through the air at you. Also, he mentioned that he can only do it for a split second. When he did it, shed just kick him after it wore off
>>344625556
Anime physics.
>>344625556
The Phi from that history never skipped leg day.
>>344625575
Yes. And other guy is saying that when the food ran out they probably would become desperate to escape again or something like that and discover the ward secret and get a new supply from the pantry to survive for a while longer. I'm not saying that I believe it, but devils advocate says it's possible
I decided to also try something like one of the previous anons. Also, C-Team was lucky to have the pantry. What is another Robot Bay gonna do for you when you're trapped?
I love how this game was so rushed that he didn't even have time to type out "Diana Sigma and Phi bought a house the end"
I would honestly rather him just do what Ryukishi07 does and just fucking make a VN with royalty free music, his own shit art, and his own bg photos filtered in PS to just finish this series.
>>344625746
[Spoiler]When Sigma was talking about dying for his children, he meant he wanted to be lunch.[/spoiler]
>>344625830
Zero Escape 4 sounds great so far!
WHY DID DELTA SHOOT GAB
>? will reappear in Zero Escape: Zero Time Dilemma.
>>344626050
(i also thought gab was going to be revealed to be kyle the whole time)
>>344611095
Sleep tight writer
>>344626050
I thought Gab killed Mira and Junpei the whole time.
>>344626050
In the very last ending you can see Gab standing next to Delta outside. To me that implies Gab has been shifting along with everyone else and he shot the dog so it would shift to the next timeline with everyone.
>>344616297
Mira's pose when they're about to die in the shelter looks pretty cool
>>344626050
He did it so that the team wouldn't feel bad for leaving him behind to die in the explosion.
Basically he made it so that the only factor in their decision of whether or not to SHIFT was the ethical dilemma of whether or not it was OK to erase the memories of the versions of themselves that won the coin toss.
Considering the fact that they've been SHIFTing all over the place since VLR, this is dumb. It's up there with
>no, hero, if you kill the main bad guy, you're just as bad as him!
To everybody that says these threads aren't dying, we're on the brink of death without reaching bump limit. If that doesn't show a dropoff, I don't know what does
>>344627927
It's 3am in burger time, calm down.
>>344627927
>thread is dead during western night time hours
Who would've thought? Hell, I should be sleeping.Hey, sleep with me?
>>344627927
They're dying because the game actually offers very little to talk about other than memes.
DR2 had better threads for weeks after the Steam release, and that was just a PORT.
Face it, ZTD is a letdown and a flop. It's the Phantom Pain of ZE.
>>344628343
Pain is too complex
>>344620124
Anon, we are on the same page.
>>344613184
shouldnt Sigma lost his eye and arms saving Diana? Whats he's done during ZTD with the bomb is more like something stupid actually, i thought its like hes defending Diana from the bomb thats about to explode or some shits
>>344628343
>DR threads
>better than ZE
>DR
>Good
One of these things is not like the other
I WANT A FOURTH GAME
HELP ME
HOW DO I JUMP TO A TIMELINE WHERE THIS HAPPENS
>>344616265
Dead. Always dead.
>>344628713
Faggot, I said DR2 threads were better than ZTD threads, not that DR > ZE.
I also reckon DR2 > ZTD by the way. I don't have a taste of disappointment in my throat from DR2 the way I do with ZTD.
>>344617967
What makes you think organic matter is a necessity to feel? There's nothing suggesting that's the case.
>>344628713
>DR1
as good as VLR
>DR2
as good as 999
>DR
gets multiple animes and even spin off games
>ZE
gets third game with shit budget only after fans whine for years
>2016 DR threads
waifu posting and DR3 hype
>2016 ZE threads
Le newfags Xd did you know <spoiler> C O M P L E X!!!!!! HAHA WHERE WAS CARLOS FOR 10 MONTHS WAS GAB ZERO????? KYLE IS BOTH ALIVE AND DEAD AT THE SAME TIME BRAVO UCHI!!!
>>344628898
Yeah. Fair enough. I had a bitter taste of disappointment from the end of DR2because of computer simulation and Junko AI
Who would play a spin off game with protagonist as Carlos going through a million timelines just to get result he wants in one.
>>344629253
Story and mystery are absolute garbage in DR, so I don't see how you can even compare the games.
>>344628898
dr2 threads on /vg/ were far worse.
>>344629253
Well that's a gross oversimplification if I've ever seen one.
>Waifu posting
>implying it's a good thing
>Any Danganronpa game as good as ZE
DR2 is a bit better than ZTD overall, but ZTD is still better than literally everything else in the series.
>>344629253
It's funposting.
>>344629253
>waifu posting and DR3 hype
You mean
LOL I WANNA BULLY HIYOKO
CHIAKI IS PHAT PHAT!!!!
LE KAZUICHI IS LE KEK XDDD
>>344629525
Yeah. And he implies that it's a positive
>>344629525
did they put the censor back on cu ck?
cuck
UCHIKOSHIIIIIIIIII WHERES KYLEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
>>344621670
>>344628641
we'll fight the machine
>>344626115
>Kyle will shift thru Delta body and save the day...
>Life is simply unfair anon...
>There;s a snail in our histories from seeing the TRUE ENDING
>you heard me, shoot me. Don't worry... I won't die
>WHAT is your problem?!
>there's no point in LIVING... once you LOSE the one you care about... the most
>heh, sorry but I am DONE with playing the action hero
>why?
>because I... grew up.
>if just one more person dies... one more... just one more
>UAAAAAAAAAAAGH
>oh, this... this is it!
>and this last words were exaaactly the same as my FIRST'S!
>MIRA, where is she?!
>Eric, calm down!
>Mira... mira is my angel!
>you're really nice...
>people tell me it's a fault of mine
>please... kill me
>I'M DOING IT to protect you TWO
>wait, wait Sigma...
>wait... don't!
>but if we don't act, WE'RE the ones who DIE!
>I want the two of you... to keep on living...
>PHI!
>I love you...
>fate of the world rests in your decision
>what will you decide?>tfw you will never be hyped by the trailer again
>tfw game was a huge fucking disappointment
>>344629438
Both DR games have better characters and exposition than ZTD's shit. And being better than Ultra Despair Girls is not hard.
>>344630169
>and exposition
lmao, no, fuck you.
Last chapter of DR2 was so fucking garbage with that massive info dump and exposition out of fucking nowhere.
Phi is a man confirmed.
Do you have any proof phi isn't a male to female tranny?
Finished the game yesterday. Don't know what to think and feel, the last hours and ending somehow destroyed the great ride I had and left me quite sore.
I feel kinda like an asshole because I wished for a third game and now I think it would have been better without a third one, fuck
>>344630169
The original does not at all. And either way, the other guy that said they were on par with the other games is full of shit. And ZTD wasn't shit, it just had some large noticeable flaws which I'd take over muh despair anyday. And you're officially in the minority if you think ZTD was legitimately awful. Link related http://www.strawpoll.me/10670353
>>344630289
>couldn't follow the story
lel
and ZTD butchered Junpei, Akane, Sigma, and Phi. Funny the only good characters were the new ones. Every returning character was a downgrade of their selves from previous games, in art design too.
VLR remains my favorite, so I'll just pretend Circle of Fate was the true canon ending of ZTD.
>>344630515
>ZTD butchered Sigma, Phi, And Jumpy
lel
And I could follow the story, it was just a shitty asspull. DR2 wasn't awful mind, just had a shitty and rushed ending. Sound familiar?
>>344630407
to be fair, wanting a third game wasn't really our fault. uchi set up vlr pretty hard to the point where not wanting a third game would be retardedjust sucks he didn't really follow through with most of the plot points that made it interesting
>we picked ally
>Uchikoshi picked betray
>>344630335
She's wearing a pink towel when she's a baby.
>>344630879
I swear, what was the point of that? Instead of putting all the money in voice acting he should have spent more into a satisfying conclusionEven though the thank you at the end was really nice
Is it just me or were the puzzle rooms really, really fucking easy in this game? I distinctly remember difficult puzzle rooms in VLR, but here the only room that "felt" like it wasn't made for 5 year olds was the transporter room.
Also, the "twists" were fucking retarded and none of them mattered. WHY DID DELTA EVEN PARTICIPATE IN THE GAME? At least in VLR it made sense because sigma had to train himself, but in ZTD it seems like an excuse to have a SUPER COOL TWEEST that actually had no impact on the story. ZTD was a mistake.
>>344631360
Didn't help that rooms were littered with notes and hints all over the fucking place.
>>344631294
>Drop the Kyle plot
Your Choice is Made!
>>344631462
The rec room and zero's study were the absolute worst puzzle rooms in the series. 99% of the "puzzles" in those rooms were just finding a note that says SYMBOL = NUMBER and you find where you input the numbers and thats it.
WAIT A MINUTE THAT CARD: THE GAME
>>344629045
Neuroscience? You need at least a nervous system and hormones, and mechanical equivalents don't cut it. A program could act out emotions and to an outside observer appear to have them but the program itself would not actually be feeling the sensation of emotion, merely recreating it. It doesn't matter if a robot can behave indistinguishably from a human, actually feeling the sensations is the most important part.
>>344631623
there's a note in the study room that tells you about combining the fucking key
>>344631115
>I watched six people die and did nothing
F O R E S H A D O W I N G
>>344631719
And the puzzle required to get the note was more complicated that putting the key together.
So Delta just killed himself during the Q team execution scene?
>>344631462
>re-examine stuff repeatedly to get that sweet flavor text
>hey we should use this to do the really obvious thing!
Didn't stop me from a being a retard at some points, but damn was it silly.
>>344631981
>transport room
>oh, I know the value of the symbols already, time to do some multip-
>Sigma spews the answer already
>>344615440
I dunno, maybe you have a soft spot for children or feel like you had a shitty childhood yourself. For me that ending was almost comedic and silly.
D2 ending got me really fucking hard, though. I had to drop the game for that night and digest it.
>>344632613
I just wanted a fucking happy ending for the whole family and they didn't even bother to write a post-epilog part for the D-Team
>>344632613
Stop shilling DR2. This isn't a thread for knockoff weeaboo ZE. You've got a general for that
>>344632838
Kek
>>344632838
D2 isnt DR2 idiot
D2 means the twins ending
>>344632887
>>344632929
Whoops. My bad.Any opportunity to shit on DR though. It's beyond me that people love that series
>>344611095
sleep tight writer
>>344611545
is akane lying in this scene?
I mean she definitely was there wasn't she?
>I wasn't a firefighter for 10 years to make the wrong choice now.
Jesus that was so cringy. How could he say that with a straight face ?
>>344634913
Would have been better that Nona was a participant instead of Akane in ZTD. Some theories before the game or infopoints came out were definitely better than the end product.
God, I'm still bitter
Has anyone determined the truth of the rumor about deleting your saves and playing again, putting in all the answers without hints results in unusual dialogue from Delta in the ending?
If not, I'm bored enough that I want to play again so...
I'm going to marry Carlos!
I just beat this game. Man, was it fucking disappointing compared to 999 and VLR. I was waiting the entire game for the ?/Kyle at the end of VLR to be weaved in to the story, but it was completely ignored.
Anyway, if these fuckers actually wanted to stop Radical-6 why didn't they just just bring back the knowledge about how the cure was created? Even if just as a last resort.
>>344612670
Even uchi thinks he's going down santa's chimney
>>344618330
She's also a retard, both figuratively and literally
>>344637268
Nani
>>344637715
She is neither, but whatever. She's just a shitty character
>tfw Sigma had a threesome with Diana and Phi before finding out the truth.
Gonna emulate 999
what am I in for? Any tips?
>>344637916
You're probably gonna need to fuck with your settings so the sprites aren't mangled and sounds aren't cut off. For some reason 999 is really bad about these two issues.
>>344637916
I'd look how to get the 2 endings that are mandatory to see the true ending. Otherwise you're just going to waste time getting stupid endings and have to play through the puzzles more times than you need to.
>>344637916
Don't bother with axe, coffin or knife ending. Get the one non manadatory ending by going through the door people tell you not too, because that gives you an awesome moment.
>delta as a 124 year old geriatric old fuck watched his parents fuck and conceive him
What did he means by these complex motives?
What the fuck happened to Kyle?
What the fuck happened to Clover and Alice?
Was Delta/Zero/Q/Brother just on Q team the whole time chilling in the corner?
Is Uchi doing an FAQ for ZTD as well?
>>344640110
>What the fuck happened to Kyle?
Who?
>What the fuck happened to Clover and Alice?
Died on their way home.
>Was Delta/Zero/Q/Brother just on Q team the whole time chilling in the corner?
Yes.
>Is Uchi doing an FAQ for ZTD as well?
Maybe.
>>344640110
>What the fuck happened to Kyle?
In the words of another anon, Kyle is Gab.That's just a silly theory of course
Reminder to read the epilogue in the files if you haven't already.
Something that's really bugging me is why was Carlos not on VLR? He wasn't mentioned once and he clearly was a strong SHIFTer as well as knows Akane, Sigma and Phi. Why would he just disappear in VLR?
>>344640754
He was dead in the timeline that led to the events of VLR.
>>344640754
VLR is basically post-VLR Siggy and Akane recreating the AB game in the same way they saw it. Because Carlos 2 isn't part of the causal loop they have no need for him.
>>344640956
Carlos 2 was alive though, he was the one that saved VLR's Akane from the Shelter. Surely he'd show up.
>>344641120
Okay yes, they didn't see Carlos in the AB game the first time. But they should have. Imagine it's the "first time" the AB game happens, why would Akane (who didn't SHIFT) not include or even mention Carlos? I get that Sigma would not know Carlos when he SHIFTs back to his body, but Akane would.
>>344641326
>the first time
See, that's the thing with causal loops. There is no "first time", no real start.
> why would Akane (who didn't SHIFT) not include or even mention Carlos
In-universe explanation would be "because that would interfere with the loop". But it's probably because Uchi didn't plan that far.
I can explain why the plot of ZTD was actually brilliant, but first we need to talk about parallel universes...
>>344641575
>But it's probably because Uchi didn't plan that far.
That's what I feel it is. Oh well.
>>344641326
Causal time loops kinda circumvent most plot holes with "because they saw it happen that way".
It's how Uchi explained away most of the incoherent shit in 999.
>>344641896
The whole games feels out of place when you consider VLR. Like they got fuck over ,or tried to hard to make ZTD standing on its own as a game.
If you people hated this game so much why are you still in these threads?
Honestly no one gives a shit about your shitty opinions
>>344641673
Post yfw MatPat's next video is "Brother is You! Exposing the Secre Behind ZTD's twist"
>He explains that you are Kyle/?
>He's in the game somewhere
>You the player make decisions, and Delta is the one forcing the decisions.
>Therefore you are Delta
>Says that you shifted into him at birth and grew up to become Brother.
>Delta has always secretly been the player
>Backs it up with some bullshit aout genetics (Kyle is Sigma's 'son' and Delta is Sigma's son).
>He plays the pivotal role.
Fuck, I'm actually kinda convincing myself.Better not think for a second to realise how autistic the theory really is
>>344642303
I don't hate the game, I'm just disappointed as fuck and it feels like it doesn't connect to the previous entries. Need to discuss my disappointment away
>>344642303
>Actual discussion about the game is bad.
You do realise the ZTD thread aren't blind hate like you imply ?
MGS got shitters just shitting on the game at release. They were nowhere as nice as ZTD fans
>>344642528
four decisions are rigged
C button
C vote
D button
D vote
nothing else, it's obvious
>>344625372
Why would he dodge it?
He had to make everybody think that the forcequit box was an actual escape button, and not a nuke. If he just let Phi activate it like that people would've been suspicious.
>>344643302
But it still implies that all the decisions are caused by delta. The Sean decisions are probably because he created the program and can control it also. The C team ones are probability based because he is dead in that timeline, annd can't force them to chose something. That's why the game ends without you choosing to shoot or not. Because he is letting the characters decide, and you are no longer forcing them to choose. That's pretty obviously why it ends there. They kinda make a big deal about it. I'm not saying I believe te theory anyway. I just think it's the sorta mildly possible bullshit MatPat would cover
>>344643302
I'm not sure about that. There are decisions that are more obvious than others, yes. But those could just be the ones characters commented on. Maybe the other decisions were ones they were genuinely sort of considering, so they don't know WHY they made that decision suddenly, and are a bit surprised by it too, but chalked it up to stress or nerves or something.
Yes, this could even include the choice of Sean shooting Delta. We're talking about a man who gives himself deadly acid baths (and remember the whole time reveal meaning that this wasn't happening at the same time, he put himself in that room knowing they got betrayed by another team and that he'd die). He's absolutely batshit enough to try and get Sean to shoot him, and it's implied he's got some sort of control over Sean's robotics in a similar fashion to mind-hacking.
Those of you defending the Delta reveal, I've got a question: How many old men in wheelchairs can we have off-screen the whole game before it becomes ridiculous? One is apparently fine, how about 2? Maybe 1 for each team? Maybe a dozen? How about a mob of old deaf/mute men that you have to wade through just to walk, always just outside of the range of the camera without anybody commenting on them?
>>344642303
The game actually has really good moments, the problem is wrapping up the entire series with the twists of 999 and VLR stapled together is just a gigantic damp squib
Before I continue, I enjoyed ZTD
I feel like ZTD falls into the MGS4 problem, where it tries too hard to put a resolution to everything so the conclusion feels cheapened.
Despite giving you small hints, the Delta reveal felt too out of left field. He is easily the weakest part of the story.
The puzzles felt easier, but part of that may be that we have done these types of puzzles twice before. Some of the notes you find explain the obvious, though.
The puzzle across timelines was interesting, but I really would have preferred a final room to escape. I liked the archives in 999 or the Q room in VLR.
Would the note epilogues really have been better as something else? Mira and Eric escaping was a still of the happy home.
The game has problems, sure. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the ride. Especially the twin ending. I'm happy I played it.
>>344643773
Just the one.You do know what a strawman is right?Nobody is saying that an old man not being seen on camera at all is acceptable under normal circumstances. But the game goes out of its way to show why it doesn't show us him. Not saying it was handled perfectly, or made 100% sense. Just 100% more sense then your nonsensical argument
>>344617258
The 12 inches are there if you have Diana poke Sigma's pants while he's trapped in the chair
>>344644064
>But the game goes out of its way to show why it doesn't show us him.
My point was to show how it's unacceptable for a game to lie like that. When people compare this reveal and VLR's, I feel it's not really discussed just how different they are. VLR's twist was crazy too, and stupid for a lot of reasons, but ultimately ZTD's is so much worse, because there really COULD have been fucking anything behind the camera. If we just accept the fact that it'll never be shown on-screen and that for whatever reason nobody is going to talk about it (those hints don't count, there's no in-universe reason not to more directly bring him up at least a few times), then you can really just get away with any dumb shit you want as a writer.
That said I'll bite - why DOESN'T the game show us him? Other than "to preserve the twist" what story reason is there for us to not know about this?
Good things about the game:
1) Akane and Phi's asses
2) Sigma being cool
3) Diana being a great new character
4) Some great decision scenes, e.g. incinerator
Bad things about the game:
1) Almost zero real mystery novel feel to the game, compared to 999 where for the majority of the game you're trying to think of a realistic explanation for events and VLR where this is true at least to some extent.
2) Eric, Mira, Akane and Junpei all being rubbish characters
3) A true ending that makes you wonder if you've actually reached the true ending or you're still missing something because it gives no impact
4) New fragment system removes any sense of structure to the story so you feel like you're just going from random event to random event most of the time
5) The transporter stuff
Honestly, it was easy to see coming. If you look at the writer's responses to questions about the plot of VLR you could easily see he was pulling stuff out his ass. Still, it's not a bad game. It's unique and still engrossing despite the dumb plot. Definitely the weakest in the trilogy though.
999/VLR Akane or ZTD Akane, which one is hotter and which has the better voice?
>>344634913
Did you not play the game? The bracelet made her lose her memories of what happened in ZTD.
>>344643773
I-it's not like I had anything better to do today, anon
>>344645794
Glorious ,anon.
Thank you that's hilarious
I hope the 999 remaster doesn't have the iOS ending, shit was pretty lame.
>>344644019
>where it tries too hard to put a resolution to everything so the conclusion feels cheapened.
Then why the fuck did they gloss over and drop so many plot points
>>344644949
Fragment system seemed like a cool idea but you're right, it did ruin the pacing a bit. Splitting up the teams was neat since even if 1 team died you could still see where the timeline went with the other two.
>>344637268
I thought Uchi put him with Lotus?
>>344613474
Phi dyes her eyebrows between ZTD and VLR
>>344620968
Only Junpei and Akane are Japanese.
>>344646332
Yeah I didn't like the fragment system either, it really fucked with the tension too
>Play one fragment where a team dies horrible, brutal deaths
>Load up another fragment
>Everyone is alive and well
>Junpei chases Akane for an entire year, unsure if he was just a pawn and the girl he knew and fell in love with was just a fabrication to manipulate him
>He still walks into DCOM with an engagement ring just in case
I don't know if he's a huge dumbass, or alpha as fuck.
>>344644670
Oh, they definitely should've hinted at it more often, but that doesn't mean that those hints don't count. They're valid and make sense in hindsight. They should've done more but what they had was a good indicator on second watch. And it makes sense because the majority of Q team fragment camera angles are viewed from the Perspective of delta. It makes sense that he doesn't appear, as he is not aiming to see himself, but to see the actions of all the others (not to mention the more attention he drew to himself, the more they would be suspcious). The problem occurs when even his wheelchair is not glimpsed in any scene. They should've and could've shown more without destroying the twist, but that doesn't make the stuff they did invalid, or automatically make it a bad twist. Just slightly contrived. The main reason may be to preserve the twist, but that doesn't mean it is bad
>>344634913
Delta probably told her about his COMPLEX MOTIVES at the FTS meeting and she started working towards that by lying to sigma
>>344646993
>play through an escape room
>decision basically results in the entire team dying anyway
What the fuck was the point then
>>344647260
>What couples do you folk actually see as canon. I mean, June and Junpei seem pretty canon, but is there the possibility of Lotus and Seven?
>I believe Seven and Lotus is totally canon. I mean, she is divorced, after all.
Which do I believe?Both?
>>344647448
Considering the fact that Lotus is busy with her daughters, and Seven and Junpei are going around pretending to be Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan in Rush Hour 2, I don't think any of those "pairings" are real.
>>344647662
>Seven and Junpei are going around pretending to be Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan in Rush Hour 2
Fucking hell I need that
>>344647881
>Clover and Alice were going to try and bust a crater
SOIS a shit
>>344646993
I do wonder how it would affect the feel of the game if it progressed the way VLR did, down a linear path until you jump somewhere else or get game over.
>>344647881
Preview art Junpei looks so much more like Junpei than the in-game model
>That ending in whichSean decided to stay in the shelter, losing his only chance for freedom. because he couldn't bring himself to abandon a chained Gab.
>>344648510
>chained Gab
You meanDelta?
>>344648510
>Chained gab
Keep playing bro. There's more to that. Unless you already know and are bullshiting me. In that caseDAMN BRAT!
I really didn't understand that part where Delta took Junpei for the jeep ride and started to explain his plan, just to try to kill him later.
Also, did they really have to use the song in there to pad it out?
>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who honestly don't think VLR is the best ZE game
Why do you have shit taste?
>>344626115
He did, ? is Delta.
>>344649030
>Game
Yes
>Story
999 still trumps it. If it had the flow like VLR and the ability to jump around it'd be better
>>344649030
AB game was exciting most of the time
What was the point of the 3 dice decision game? It's not even a decision.
>succeed first time on Russian Roulette trap
>SHIFT back
>fail Russian Roulette trap
Is this how it's always supposed to happen and I'm just an asshole who wanted to see someone get killed?
>>344651552
It's RNG based.
So yeah, you're an asshole.
Or just a normal dude who wants to get all the endings
I only just finished the game but I have to ask, did anyone else constantly see Kirby on Carlos' shirt (3DS version)? It bothered me for days until I saw a high resolution image of it.
>>344645794
My god, it's beautiful.
>>344647082
I don't mean to say it doesn't count, or isn't clever. Going back to VLR, my thought on that twist was that it was exceedingly clever in the 10,000 ways it was foreshadowed, but at the end of the day still didn't really make sense. Like, watching somebody do advanced calculus-7 and rocket science in order to solve 2+2, and getting 5. The big picture is stupid, but all the small details made the long ride entertaining.
And in a general sense some of that applies to ZTD too. That's pretty clearly what they were going for IMO. The problem is that it's a twist that exists for the sake of being a twist, and that's all. In VLR, the twist has an impact on the story because it's a revelation the characters are going through, as well. It's also an emotional ride, again, because it's a twist that's attached to characters we've grown to care about, and thought we knew.
In ZTD it's just some old fuck on a wheelchair. I mean yeah we know he's Delta, but... what does that really mean? The characters in the game all know he's been there the entire time, so the story doesn't really change at all through this twist. You could have had him on-camera the whole time, and then the player would be shouting the whole game "But this is so dumb why aren't they suspecting him at all aghhh!" So instead they put him off-camera so we can scream at how dumb the characters are later.
It's the biggest reveal in the game (or at least it's intended to be) and it only works by hiding it from the player. A good twist, beyond all that emotional and character-driven stuff, needs to be, well, a good twist. You want to make the player feel stupid. "How could I not see that?" Is not supposed to be a question I can answer with "Because I literally could not see him, he was behind the camera". The game is essentially lying to you, going through ridiculous contrivances to hide evidence that everybody in-game knows
Reminder Junpei is shit and Carlos is a better protag than he ever was
I realized I was going on for too long when I reached the word limit on a post buried deep in a 4chan thread, but I'm too late to stop now so I want to add that it isn't entirely the fault of that one Delta twist, in a vacuum.
If the writing of the game were stronger, the fact that Delta was Sigma's son, and Phi's brother, would have had a huge impact. But basically he feels like a stranger. There's no... I don't know, connection, between him and the others. He says who he is, some people are shocked for a moment, and Delta goes on with killing shotgunning dogs or whatever it is he does when nobody's watching, and everybody just accepts that as easily as Diana accepted all of the time-travel nonsense.
>>344652206
I don't dislike Carlos, but most of his dialogue and actions seemed straight out of a shōnen, like listening to his little sister's spirit cheering on him while facing the robot or saying weird things like "I didn't spend 10 years as a firefighter to make a mistake now!"
Really shows that each team really had a different writer each.
>>344652609
But Carlos has always been able to listen to his sister. There's also the fact that he wasn't able to save his parents which probably traumatized him.
>DR3
>Memory wipes
>Bracelets
kek
>>344652206
The hero we deserve
>>344614549
I need more
>>344649263
Do you think the upcoming PC port of 999 will have a flowchart so you don't have to redo the puzzles 10,000,000 times to get all the endings?
>Achievement that pops when you take off Sean's helmet the second time is called Schrodinger's Cat
>There is never any difference in what's in the helmet
I get it was a K reference but still, what a cocktease.
>>344653975
The ios version had it and it didn't even have puzzles so yes.
>>344640663
Thanks Uchi!
>>344645794
This is the kind of oc I come to these threads for. Good work.
>>344646185
What happened?
>>344647260
I'm pretty sure he's messing with them
>>344648051
Who's SOIS?
>>344657713
Clover and Alice's secret group.
>>344652609
He's a weeb.
>>344657776
I have a great memory and I totally forgot that.
I couldn't stand Clover or Alice
>>344614452
>also quantum computer can calculate all timelines so he knows everything
other than who the terrorist is, apparently
>Some person streaming ZTD on twitch
>Everyone in chat spoils Zero's true name
>Streamer enters it in the three way standoff before actually finding it out for themselves
>Everyone confused as fuck
Fun stuff
>>344648051
which make even less sense considering Alice was in contact with Seven and the only reason Clover and Snake joined SOIS was because Seven told that that he couldn't find Junpei because he was searching for Akane when in reality he was working for a dectetive agency and they even worked together
>>344611767
I saved them and albeled them Schroedinger's Spoilers. I should open them up for once.
>>344612872
Uh oh!
>>344619863
We need "Your choice has been made"
>>344652325
A huge part of what hurt the story was not starting it off in DCOM, honestly. In 999 and VLR we have some time to get to know people and who they're pretending to be before they start dying / their true self is revealed.
The killer reveal in 999 is shocking becauseyou've been getting to know Ace as a kind, self-sacrificing old man, and the killer is anything but.
The killer reveal in VLR is hilariously great becauseyou keep expecting to learn that Dio has some sort of hidden depths like everyone else, but nope, total shitbag.
None of the reveals in ZTD really work because you're learning about the characters dark sides at the same time (or even before) their normal sides, so nothing has any impact. That, and everyone just accepting weird shit because they already talked about it in DCOM. Like Diana just being likeOh yeah, Sigma is 67 years old, he said that before.The game really could've used a prologue in DCOM, or hell, an anime OVA like VLR had.
I mean, this might have made theQ is Deltatwist harder to hide, but that twist is bumfuck retarded anyway, so who cares?
>>344631981
that is even how 999 worked. If you kept examining they would spell it out for you
>>344662029
Plus, they could've just hid that last twist the same way they did in VLR's OVA:flat out lie to the viewer about one of the characters.
>>344647662
I'm not sure why she's busy raising her daughters when she literally says they're Junpei's age
>>344662029
>A huge part of what hurt the story was not starting it off in DCOM, honestly
this
>>344643773
They did comment on him several times before the reveal though, and it makes sense that Q team ignored him as much as they did because they thought he was a deaf mute blind, so there was no point interacting with him. The truly bullshit part was how they tiptoed around using Sean's name.
>>344662618
People not fact-checking what they write.
Didn't Ace Attorney's writer completely forget about a character too?
>>344620124
In another timeline, R11 got the third scenario.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHCxdlZ7G18
Life is unfair, don't you think?
>>344648950
Junpei didn't say a word either, what's up with that?
>>344648950
I wish ZTD had been a musical. Then it would've been laughably bad instead of just shit. Tell me you wouldn't have crapped yourself the momentDelta started to sing about his COMPLEX MOTIVES
>>344663196
They don't have to talk WITH him, necessarily, but ABOUT him. Do you really think that between Eric and Mira, the idea that killing the old man for a free X-pass wouldn't come up? Or that shotgunmancer Eric never got suspicious? Or the idea that "wait does this mean that we have 4 x-passes on our team?"
And on the subject of interacting with him - they had to. He's blind and deaf, how did he get around? The wheelchair seems to have a motor, but what good is a motor without a direction? Even if we assume that he's got roomba AI installed and just sits there unawares while his chair zips him around, what about getting up the stairs in the Library, when Eric shot that grenade launcher? Unless his wheelchair has some way to climb stairs itself, SOMEBODY had to haul his ass up the stairs. So we know they're interacting with him, in ways other than talking about him.
And when Eric does reference the "old man" the camera pans to the dog. Why? If you subscribe to the idea that the camera we see is Zero's view of the security cams, what the fuck point is there to this sort of useless mis-direction from his point of view? And if you think it's nothing complex like that and the camera's just the camera, then that's just the game straight-up lying again.
I mean, you're absolutely right in the sean thing being bullshit, but that's only one facet of how this shitty twist is a negative impact on the entire game, just for the sake of hiding it.
>>344664629
Well, it's a possibility.
Spin-off game of Ace Finding A Way Out of prison when?
Just realized we never got another Ace/Dio moment where the protag ruses them into spilling everything about their plan while Digital Root / Clarification plays.
Goddamn it. Now I'm actively looking for ways to be disappointed about this game.
What if Kyle shifted into the Quantum Computer?
>Six of US are dead
>counting myself only 3 are left
and yet there was no Q's dead body in that timeline
>>344666304
What if Kyle SHIFTed into Sigma's balls and became Delta?
>>344666415
That would've actually been a better ending... Somehow.
Like, I left the game thinking that there was gonna be this huge secret (so secret that it didn't have achievements tied to it) in the game where you have to solve some overarching puzzle / complex ARG shit to unlock a final timeline where Kyle comes in and wrecks Delta to save the world.
Then I realized I was an idiot.
>>344664731
They did talk about him, and Eric was suspicious but of Sean because he was on their team but not connected to the x-passes. In a way, one of Sean's functions was probably to soak up suspicion from the suspicious person in the group, you have this old guy who can't hear or talk that was with them in Dcom and that's a little weird I guess but then you have this kid out of nowhere who wasn't part of the project at all and is hiding his face and claiming he doesn't remember anything and he seems to bend the rules of the game without having x-passes, Sean is way more suspicious in this scenario. The study was a decision game where only one had to die and Mira went for Eric because it was a great opportunity to feel his heart and Eric was short-sighted and wanted to kill the suspicious kid who was probably orchestrating the whole thing. There's no reason they couldn't have left him downstairs while puzzle solving, since they were only going up momentarily. I can't force you to like the twist, it plays dirty a little but it doesn't lie, and I'm personally okay with the former and not the latter but you aren't okay with either of them, that's all. The part that pisses me off was how dumb the climax was and how he explained his motives, but I personally loved how many little inconsistencies I'd noticed retroactively clicked with the reveal and how much foreshadowing there was. I guess we just have different standards for what's acceptable.
Why did Zero shoot the dog?
>>344667559
Because he's an asshole.
>>344667398
>and wanted to kill the suspicious kid who was probably orchestrating the whole thing. There's no reason they couldn't have left him downstairs while puzzle solving,
These are the people defending the twist, they didn't even understand the game
>it doesn't lie
but it does lie, removing the model from the camera panning and then showing the shadow in a position where you clearly should have seen him before is a blatant lie
>>344667559
COMPLEX MOTIVES
>>344664629
>delta is a static, wheelchair-bound narrator
>"zero is... is...!"
>he slowly gets up
>"Life... is..."
>"Simply unfair..."
>"Don't you THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK"
>>344667559
autism
>>344618330
>knowingly single-handedly causes the apocalypse by trying to bring Phi to a hospital when she can just SHIFT away and be fine
D Team execution should have been the good ending
>>344667981
Fuck, 999 would work better as a musical than an anime, wouldn't it.
>>344667709
>didn't even understand the game
Enlighten me then.
>>344668720
he wasn't planning to kill Sean he wanted to kill Q to get the last X-Pass, Sean was just in the way
Sean's death doesn't give an X-Pass that's way there isn't an option to kill yourself
>>344630665
>Circle of Fate
Which was that again?
>>344630136
It definitely seemed like they were building up to something big and then got rushed for time and had to MGS2 it. The cracks start to show around Apocalypse imo
>the robes and April 12 but we don't see it
>he just casually throws the terrorist plot in in that scene
>>344668554
>Featuring hit tracks such as:
>Apologize to the Funyarinpa!
>Which Santa Am I?
>Is It Getting Hot In Here, Or Is It Just Me?
>and many more!
I could see it.
>>344665964
Mira being the Heart Ripper isn't quite on the same level of trickery but it could have been genuinely horrifying if it wasn't so obvious and if you didn't see her murder people like three different times in the first two hours.
>>344666304
I expected that to be it and I was hoping all game to hear K's robotic voice coming from the computer but it never happened
>>344668996
>Which was that again?
Diana gets a 6 billion kill streak.
>>344669215
>The Snail and the Serial Killer
>Heart-shaped Box ft. Mira
>Carlos in the House ft. Maria
>>344669313
>"I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Delta. Or... Maybe I should call you Brother?"
I would've jizzed myself.
>>344664629
>delta is constantly off to the side behind the curtains for the whole musical and only people in shitty seats can see his shadow
Genius!
>>344666384
the other teams didn't know sean existed. that's why sigma and diana were so confused whenever they saw him
>>344669832
>Each ward is represented by a third of the stage, and only one is lit at a time.
>When the reveal hits that the wards are all the same, the whole stage lights up.
Even though Sean had a bracelet, his name wasn't listed on the board.
Sean was the extra, not Q.
>>344668973
I haven't watched the scene since near the start of the game but I'm watching it now and it could really be either or. If anything we were both wrong because he was aiming at Sean to protect Mira but what you're suggesting really doesn't do anything to change the argument and even supports it since they're acknowledging him instead of ignoring him.
>>344669918
which is why she should have said something "five of us are dead and there's a kid too" since she was talking to control
instead of saying "six of us"
>>344668973
>Sean's death doesn't give an X-Pass that's way there isn't an option to kill yourself
If Sean's death doesn't give an X-Pass why did Eric shoot Sean when he lowered his crossbow? Couldn't he have just killed Q then cause there wasn't a risk?
>>344670259
>eric acting rationally
if they did they would have spoiled the twist way too early, it's probably why they gave him a grenade launcher to begin with so he doesn't have to aim directly to Q
same reason why there is no blood or gore in that scene after the explosion
>>344670259
He killed Sean AND Q.
He used a grenade launcher, man.
What I want to know is how they prevented Q from dying from the blast when they blew open the glass casing in the room.
There was no handicap ramp.
>>344623343
they didn't feel like animating them
>>344669656
It would only work if the computer talked the entire game and then in one scene stops Delta from doing something like when they're all gathered in the room
>"Wait a second.... I know that voice!"
God I wish they had an actual budget desu there are so many potentially good plot twists
>>344667981
>"Zero is.. is..."
>"YOU, Delta!"
>Points into audience
>In the very back of the room an old man stands up
>>344657374
They made Door 3's ending a tame version of the Axe ending where Clover injects you instead of the Sub ending
>>344664629
as long as he keeps weskers voice I'm game
>Eric is angry and shouting at Sean asking who killed Mira
>Sean says Delta
>"I don't know who that is"
>Kills Sean
>Eric is angry and shouting at Sean asking who killed Mira
>Sean says Q
>"That's impossible!"
>Kills Sean
>Eric is angry and shouting at Sean asking who is Zero
>Sean says Delta
>"I accept this answer and believe it this time and Delta should also stand up and reveal everything."
>Doesn't kill Sean
I don't get it
>>344670814
Maybe the series could work as a Blue Man Group show too
>>344670971
In the first scene, Sean gives your answer to Eric unfiltered, in the second scene, well, you see how it plays out.
Do Snake's enhanced senses have anything to do with esper powers or is it just standard blind powers?
>>344667559
So the teams wouldn't feel remorse by SHIFTing and leaving Gab behind. As you know, they were all fond of the dog.
>Sean breaks the news to Eric that Mira killed his mom and is a serial killer that is responsible for his whole shitty life
>Eric doesn't care
How good was the pussy game?
>>344669215
>Where's Quark!?
>Just Pick Ally
>Cat In A Box
>Pass it, bro
>Termite fascination
>>344672087
>X-Pass is Virgin
apparently not that good
>>344672156
it's becausethe name of one of her victims was Virginia
>>344672156
heh
(I thought it meant she was an emotion virgin 2bh)
>>344672108
>Blue Bird Lamentation w/ vocals
>A Real Hero (feat. Dio)
>I've never seen that man before / Finale
The ending always as disappointing as MGSV.
>3 people walk around with a wheelchair bound deaf blind mute creepy guy with sunglasses and never once mention him
>people actually defend this
Need help anons. When I started playing ZTD today on Vita, there was an update file.
I told the game to install it but as I already had the game running, it failed to install. C-XXXX-XX (X = number) error.
What was in that update and why did my game reject it?
>>344672662
But anon they mention him like 5 times in contrived ways that make it sound like they are talking about something else
the twist is perfect and you are just a shitposter
>>344672662
They did mention him.
>>344672793
I liked the twist, that doesn't mean I think people who didn't are shitposters. It had foreshadowing, denying that outright is stupid, whether you think that justifies the twist is more subjective.
>>344672662
did you not see the shadows? do you not understand why sean stayed behind? do you not get why the three way standoff was even happening?
>>344612872
He would have been a child while Lord Gordain was running his Nonary Games. Not to mention that Delta was raised in Germany, whereas Lord Gordain was a titled Englishman.
>>344672793
>we never once hear mention of them talking about having to push a wheelchair
>never see them move Delta anywhere
>never any real mention of why the fuck a disabled person would be named team leader
apologists why
>>344673034
I didn't see the shadows. I thought he stayed behind for Gab at the time. I thought the 3-way standoff was between Sean, Mira and Eric with Delta not even a factor.
I admit it was foreshadowed but extremely poorly. Ever17 and VLR had better reveals with less instances of foreshadowing but in a way that feels obvious in hindsight.
Finding out about Delta really just made me mildly confused the first time. Honestly it just felt rushed, as though they would have made it build up more into a huge reveal but didn't have the money.
>Enter 'Q's real name
>"Sean"
>Error
I honestly thought the game was bugged then, well played though.
why people keep asking about Kyle? read the notes, "Kyle is necessary to shit happening", he's obviously the snail
Literally all the informations we get in VLR are wrong, what's even the point of that game anymore.
>>344673313
i was just playing sorry. i think the payoff wasn't satisfying either and agree with VLR's similar reveal being foreshadowed better or making more sense.
>>344673370
kyle is gab
>>344673313
>I thought he stayed behind for Gab at the time
I can't imagine why you'd think that considering Sean goes straight for Gab, whom he sits with and talks to for quite a while, making no mention of Delta. Talking to the dog who can't understand him. You know, the same way the deaf man can't understand him either.
You see, being deaf is a good excuse for why nobody talks to Delta, because talking to or about a deaf man is fruitless. Talking to the dog makes a lot more sense, obviously.
So yeah, maybe you just thought that because you're a stupid? That's the only reason I can come up with.
didn't sigma and phi go back in time looking for brother and the only thing they knew about brother was that he was an old man who'd be there and delta was the only old man there so why didn't they piece that together?
>>344673612
>talking to a deaf man is as pointless as talking ABOUT a deaf man
>calls me stupid
Whatever makes you feel better, Uchicocksucker.
>>344673824
because he was blind and deaf, so they didnt think of it possibly being him.
and since that is such a retarded assumption to make, they decided to hide the obviously evil old man from the player's view
>>344673872
The great thing about that statement being blatantly sarcastic is that when you don't understand it, I'm right.
You've been MIND-HACKED.
>>344673130
Delta wheels himself around, or maybe the chair is electric, and he's trapped with them when they're supposed to escape a room.
That's why Eric was so bummed about it, and it could also be attributed to Zero having sick sense of humor.
Uchikoshi can do no wrong.
>>344663680
what if I said itstill could
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Just finished it, what an utterly dissapointing ending. Feels like an unfinished game
What if Zero was Phi?
Why even introduce a new useless character like Delta?
>>344674304
they couldn't do that because each team needed a zero
The thing is, in 999 you could actually figure out who the bad guy was quite straightforwardly by figuring out which Digital Root would allow the door to be opened to kill 'Snake'. There's the combination that seems obvious and leads to the axe end, and there's the combination assuming Ace stole 9's watch.
In VLR you can easily figure out that Sigma is old based on comments other characters make about him.
In ZTD, chances are you know that Delta is zero as soon as you know he exists, but the foreshadowing is too weak and cheap ('he was behind the camera all along!) to be as meaningful as the previous games and it feels rushed as fuck.
>>344674098
>just imagine some random mute old guy in a wheelchair follow you around everywhere you go
>>344674304
>Phi is zero
>she designed + released radical 6 to kill the terrorist
>causes outbreak ending
>volunteers for AB game project to ensure that future Sigma will develop esper powers and come back so she can be born.
>joins the 'stop FtS' project
Now the only question is what would be her motive? For Delta it was 'assemble an awesome team of Espers.' Why would Phi do it?
>>344672332
sure was
So is Carlosasexual?
Either way would youholdhishands?
>>344674851
han he's too busy, lifting up his comatose sister's shirt and jerking off
>>344674369
>each team needed a zero
..What does that even mean?
>>344674979
>Akane for C team
>Sigma for D team
>Delta for Q team
>>344674851
He is a siscon
>>344674979
Do you even the previous 2 games?
>>344674851
>carlos
>not wanting to fuck his sister
Yes to the second question.
>>344651552
I had to pull the trigger 3 times before I suceeded
>>344673824
And the excuse that he would probably still be "young" because they went 45 years back cannot work since Alice said he was already old
Uchikoshi is a hack
>>344675030
>>344675090
It didn't make sense at first.
Sorry for not paying close attention to shit like that.
>>344673612
Where is this strawman coming from? Pointing out that there was foreshadowing doesn't mean you think people who didn't notice or didn't like it are stupid.
>>344675131
I got the blank like 5 times, I assumed i needed something else.
I actually had to ask my friend what to do
>>344672793
>twist was perfect
Wew lad
>people don't think the twist was foreshadowed well the whole time
t-t-this is a troll, right?
>>344675557
It's been foreshadowed, but definitely not as well as the other two games.
The foreshadowing was vague as fuck. Stuff like Eric saying 'Like the chair-bound old man' is bullshit if you ask me.
>>344675765
it was the same bullshit in the previous games man
>>344675885
it definitely wasn't as contrived
>>344675885
Absolutely not.
Delta being hidden by the camera is a much greater asspull than having no mirrors.
>>344676018
Exactly this.
Even the fucking game itself realizes how contrived it all is - that's why everybody starts immediately calling Sean by his name the moment the twist is revealed. Because it was stupid and weird to avoid his name the rest of the game.
Also, where did they even learn his name was Sean anyway?
>>344675885
i feel like it was hinted at more directly in VLR because everyone was surprised when you (sigma) said you were 22 and whenever you'd argue with phi about not being much older than her. idk maybe i'm not remembering it correctly but i felt like it made more sense because sigma was the player/narrator and he had his own voice that was also confused the whole time.
The previous games had a lot of world building around morphogenetic fields and multiple timelines before you got to the weird esper powers. By the time you get to the absurd telepathy and shit you're primed for it because of that small talk during the puzzles and so on.
In this game the closest thing to MIND HACK being foreshadowed is people saying 'I don't know, it felt like someone controlled my finger!' which every Uchi fan will immediately attribute to Blick Winkel. MIND HACK is made 10,000x dumber just because of this oversight and really should have been foreshadowed better.
>>344675557
It was foreshadowed but it's such a retarded idea that you won't even think about it
>>344676316
it made perfect sense in hindsight but if you're going to tell me when Phi calls you an old fart in the elevator your first thought was "oh so I'm actually a 22 year old in my 67 year old future self body" I'm going to call you a faggot and a liar
>>344675885
>playing through the game as sigma, through his eyes
>actually reasonable to never see your own face
>third person camera
>nah man there was an old man slightly off camera the whole time!
>check out this single line from eric about an old man!
>it's perfectly acceptable to never acknowledge him because he said he was blind and deaf (which the robot kid logically wouldn't even know about)
it was stupid
>>344676368
I don't know about his others works what is this Blickwinkel thing?
>>344676239
Sean told them
He only says he has amensia not that he doesn't remember his own name and Delta/Zero later on only says that he has the same name as the kid he knew
So basically it happened off screen
>>344676486
There was a lot more foreshadowing than that. For example, when Eric killed everyone right before you get the Q twist, there's another shotgun blast that hints at the presence of Delta.
>>344676438
the elevator puzzle also had a poster about old people being in younger bodies and younger people being in old bodies
>>344676438
no, i never thought of that. i was just confused like sigma, so it was a good storytelling vehicle? i knew as much as the narrator. however, in ZTD, everyone already knew about q sitting there except for me so it felt cheaper i guess?
(the storytelling device was never established well so that might be my problem with it? idk still trying to figure out all my thoughts)
>>344676368
honestly, MINDHACC isnt that stupid of an ability in the context of the game, but holy shit they could have explained it a little better. here look i'll do it right now
>I may not be able to shift, but I can read the signals people send to and from the morphanagenic field.
That's exactly how his power works but holy fuck they did not tie it into the field at all and just said MINDHAKKU
>>344676715
I just said it makes sense in hindsight
You have to be insane to guess the twist by those few pieces it throws you, I wouldn't even call them hints that's how small they are
>>344676368
MIND HACK was foreshadowed allll the way back in 999. It's why Cradle decided to do the Nonary Game in the first place.
>>344675765
The twist was foreshadowed pretty well in both games, but in terms of sheer quantity I think ZTD has probably 2-3 times more instances of foreshadowing. The foreshadowing in VLR is really great in hindsight, but there was only one or two instances which made me stop and go 'huh'? that made sense in hindsight. In ZTD, there were a ton of instances where I honestly thought the developers made a mistake that make complete sense once you know the twist.
With all of that said, I still enjoy the twist in VLR more, though.
>>344674554
I noticed a way more inconsistencies with Q than the Sigma thing in VLR but I brushed them aside as the writers being too stupid to stay consistent, so having all of them suddenly make sense in hindsight like it was staring me in the face combined with the sheer shock of it made it very fun for me, it was the only twist in the game I actually got excited about. I'm not arguing it wasn't cheap, just that I liked it and there were definitely clues whether you think they were good enough or not.
>>344676239
They knew his name was Sean from the beginning, they just didn't know who he was.
>Q has no icon
Explain to me why this isn't the clumsiest, most obvious piece of "foreshadowing" ever
>>344673130
>never any real mention of why the fuck a disabled person would be named team leader
Zero: Q-team's leader is Q
Eric: What the hell?!
>>344677106
I thought they were waiting to take "Q"'s mask off a second time to reveal it and it would be someone else, like the K/Akane thing.
>>344677106
This is what bugged me.
Everything is, more or less, wrapped up decently, but this just made no sense.
>>344677106
i would have felt better if q had some kind of weird old doll icon and then when q was revealed the icon would have made sense
>>344676573
Ever17
Blick Winkel isa 4th dimensional entity that can observe 3D space in other words, (you), the player
I checked the character status' afterSigma gave the twelve inches to Diana
It kind of gave it away.
>>344676898
"Senile old fuck" blew my mind when I went back to play through a second time. Flew right over my head.
VLRkids still trying to shittalk this game? just give up already
The game wasn't good. Just saying.
>>344677663
I see.
Yes I suspected a similar thing to be honest.
>>344677826
I disagree.
>>344678069
your opinion is wrong
>>344677826
No one thinks the game is good; instead, everyone is just trying to settle on how bad it was, from "just mediocre" to "bad enough to retroactively ruin the first two."
>>344678140
So is yours.
okay, i'm willing to believe ? is the player aka delta in ZTD because they also said delta would save the world and i guess he somewhat does, but where was kyle sent back to? who has kyle's mind?
>>344677697
Or when Phi says that Sigma must have done a lot of drugs to look like that at 22.
I also liked how some characters do actually say stuff about your eyes
>Alice and I are going to stick around. You know, just in case you missed something. Don't really feel like I can trust your eyes...
>Then your eyes must be worse than I thought.
>>344678259
No one, Kyle was retconned. So was "?" actually.
>>344678173
I thought the game was good.
>>344678173
Better than nothing, right?
>>344678427
sigma mentions kyle when he dies in one of the endings, i thought. he was sad there would be no luna, kyle, or zero iii
>>344678173
>>344678460
i thought the game was good. i just have a lot of complaints and it's way worse than the other two games. i still enjoyed playing it.
>Door of truth
>Q's status doesn't update
There's no doubt in my mind that you'd completely understand what was going on by that point
>>344678668
Nothing would've been better than what we got, actually. Bad game is bad forever etc.
I just realizedWhat if Delta actually is Blick Winkel/"?"
Think about CQD-END 2 where Carlos is given the gun, and Delta explicitly says he won't mind-hack Carlos. There's no decision at that point because of Delta's promise not to influence Carlos. That could signal that Blick is no longer present at that scene. I'm not saying this improves the odd open-ended ending, but it would definitely make sense despite it being a pretty big ass pull
I want to impregnate Phi and take responsibility.
I just hope the kids aren't as autistic as her.
>>344678972
It's not the case. Wanting it won't make it the case.
>>344678972
well it's a theory, a game theory
>>344678986
I want to rape Akane and make her forget about it every 90 minutes!
>>344611972
I think Junpei was being cold because he "knew" (read: felt) that fate would keep the two of them apart, but he still harbored a little bit of hope, thus why he had the ring. It shows that he truly never changed. I thought it was nice
>>344679028
>>344679094
Well yeah, I'm all but saying it's merely aGAYMEtheory, but it would make sense should Uchi confirm something along the lines of that.I'm still sorta miffed that he didn't decide to make a more conclusive ending, especially since he allegedly writes his endings first.
>>344678173
>tfw I'm a no one
Harsh, anon.
Speaking of foreshadowing, is there any for the main twist of 999? I mean the kind of stuff that trips you up on your first playthrough, not extremely subtle stuff like "Did I leave that open?"
>>344678972
Delta can't SHIFT. He's not BW.
were lips and faces supposed to move? my copy first had horrible lip syncing and then when i booted it up again their faces just never moved and i just beat it that way.
>>344679678
Yes
You were playing with dolls instead
>>344679650
Akane's fever is a pretty big one.
>>344679678
Not sure if you're bullshitting me but their mouths are supposed to move when they talk, yeah.
>>344679676Fair counterpoint. But it could easily be BW intervening. I mean, Akane in VLR said to BW, "You can travel freely through time and space. You are an uncontrolled variable that entered our closed system. As such, the rules of this world do not apply to you."
>>344616297
Eric is a master of shotguns
>>344670000
connect 4 bro
>>344670127
she counted delta, dumbass
>>344680550
Who was alive in that timeline and the body wasn't there, retard.
>>344679650
She makes a 0 with her arms in her official art.
In one scene Seven says "Zero colud be looking at us right now!" while Akane is looking at him.
>>344680724
no he wasn't
>>344680792
fuck off retard, it's the VLR timeline
Delta was alive and even talked to Akane later on
kill yourself
>>344680762
Not him but is the "0" thing actually intended? Because if it is that's a really fucking cool detail.
