http://nintendoeverything.com/pokemon-go-giving-nintendo-stock-a-huge-boost-having-best-day-since-1983/
http://pastebin.com/frnqSN9L
Well /v/, you wanted Nintendo to go mobile, and this has told them that it's a profitable idea.
Mobile games are all created and live in fads.
It's popular now, but the novelty will wear off next month.
>>344603318
This desu
Casuals are fleeting, the Wii proved that
>>344603318
>It's popular now, but the novelty will wear off next month.
Nintendo's STILL trying to work on the Wii audience, Anon. The original Wii's audience, not the Wii U.
That's why Zelda will be a dual-console launch, they're repeating every step the Wii took and seeing what sticks again.
Why are hotpockets deleting these threads?
>>344603138
>no gaming background
>100% financial man
>serious and scary yakuza type mofo
This guy is literally Hiroshi Yamauchi 2.0 He is here to wreck shit. I guarantee it.
>>344603138
/v/ doesn't want Nintendo to go mobile. All the stockholders wanted to but /v/ said fuck them.
>Nintendo barely involved with Pokemon Go
>They only own 33% of the Pokemon IP too
>Stock prices rocket anyway
Businessman Kimishima must be laughing.
>>344603978
The Sony part of /v/ does.
>>344603138
Looks like Nintendo hasn't learned from the WiU at all.
Repeating the exact same mistake.
>>344604046
Kimishima was the pokemon company president, he is a pokefucker
>>344604174
Phone games are just there to use the brand in some way or another.
Inb4 just cashgrabs.
AC and FE are going have a game soon.
>yfw after years of shovelware in the phone games industry, Nintendo barges in and CORNERS A $12 BILLION MARKET
Sony wishes they could get on this; consoles are a dead end. Microshit knows it. Ninty knows it. Why is Sony falling so far behind?
>>344604046
They own equal parts of Pokemon with Creatures and Gamefreaks stupid.
>>344604256
Hopefully Nintendo realizes this
They don't want to suck up the well dry.
>>344604720
Almost like 100% divided by 3 equals 33%, eh?
>>344604824
Yes, so the say that Nintendo has nothing to do with it is retarded.
>>344603842
Because any Nintendo success is somehow an insult to Sony.
>>344604882
Oh, I didn't realise 33 now equals 0.
I miss when video games weren't about money.
>>344604636
That would require a certain audience to suddenly vanish inexplicably.
if Sony left, Nintendo and MS would certainly come back.. just as planned.
>>344603942
So he's going to finish the job and actually kill Nintendo?
Yamauchi seemed hellbent on making sure Nintendo died after the SNES.
>>344604784
The phone stuff is just there to raise brand awareness. SO, hey we are still relevant dammit.
They aren't stupid to put a mainline game on phones, too much risk, also now they have the entire handheld market again because sony fuckups with vita.
Consoles are another kind of story.
>>344604636
When Sony falls back into third place in the console race (PS4 is just a dead-cat-bounce) they're finished. They have nothing to fall back on. Vita is dead, their smartphone and electronics business is shit and their movie business is a joke (Ghostbusters remake anyone?) I cant wait to see the shitstorm when Sony goes under Sega style.
>>344603138
It's because the app was a fucking great idea backed up by a popular brand as opposed to Nintendo simply going mobile.
Expect more Miitomo's than GO's.
>>344605019
When was that
what if nintendo only uses mobile shit to fund passion projects?
>>344605347
70s-90s.
>>344605498
So pretty much they are doing now?
>>344605498
Passion projects don't get funded in today's industry.
>>344604074
So Sonyggers are right about what direction Nintendo should take than Nintendrones?
Hopefully people that were shitting on mobile games will retract their statements, if they are playing Pokemon GO.
Mobile is the future. Consoles and handhelds are not. Nintendo shouldn't even bother with this new console and go full mobile.
>>344605624
To be fair, unlike AAA devs, nintendo don't waste 100 gorillions of dollars paying 10k niggas on staff and marketing.
For exemple, new zelda game needs only 2m to make profit back, any another AAA garbage needs 5 - 10m to make money back. Consoles are long term business to nintendo, they are anything but short sighted, a thing that publishers should learn.
>>344603138
>tfw you didn't buy nintendo stock
>>344603138
I've always believed in numbers for being cold and nobody could use them to twist facts... Until I realized that are also used for speculation.
So fuck you.
>>344605820
This, but for all the wrong reasons.
People want simpler games due to the nature of the device. That won't change unless controls become ubiquitous for mobile devices.
>>344605820
Why bother with phones when you could have your own platform and develop for it and rake pure profit from 60 bux games?
>>344604046
Why the fuck nobody buys Pokemon?
>>344606109
Because the thing in the OP happened
I mean Nintendo should have banked on this market long ago. No other gaming company has the amount of power in marketability and nostalgia that Nintendo's characters do.
It's true that the mobile market moves in fads but they can keep the ball rolling for a while with updates and new Pokemon. The AC app is gonna be a hit too.
Unless they release an update for this to not suck absolute dick in rural areas I'm not gonna even bother with it. Someone stood me up today because they wanted to spend 10 hours driving around looking for pokestops. Kinda wish they would've died in an accident.
>>344606109
Microtransactions bring in insane amounts of money. $60 to offset all the time and development costs is not worth it compared to the results right now they are getting from phone games.
>>344606245
Yeah the AC app will be big too. Nintendo would be foolish to not invest more time and resources into mobile, even if they have to contract it all out.
>>344604256
>waifushit simulator.
I'm OK with that shit being mobile, if only the mainline would be badass again...
>>344605347
The Golden age you underage.
>>344606369
Short term profit.
Nintendo games still have legs anon, sales after first 2 weeks do matter for nintendo.
If nothing else, this just proves the superiority of Gen 1. Kiddies BTFO
>>344605820
>Mobile is the future.
And such a bright one...
>>344606636
It's pretty shit. I can't wait for more mons to be added so the casuals can fuck off.
>>344606517
Not if short term profit completely eclipses what games would have made during its entire lifetime.
This one game has made an insane amount of money. They need to churn these games out like crazy, or at least update the really successful ones consistently.
>>344606848
Not that guy but there's nothing saying how much money this """""game""""" has made.
>>344606680
There is no denying that mobile is the future. Most people have smart phones, the games are relatively inexpensive to produce compared to their console counterparts, and microtransactions are nothing new.
Consoles will not last more than another generation.
>>344606848
>Not if short term profit completely eclipses what games would have made during its entire lifetime.
Since when Pokemon is a new IP? Also they didn't gave status on how much profit they made.
Nintendo isn't going anywhere. I fucking hate salt faggots that always say that nintendo should go mobile. If you want play their games buy their consoles.
>>344607046
Pokemon GO is currently #2 on the Top Grossing for Android games. There are no figures yet, but there is no denying that is a shit load of money.
>>344603138
Anon why would that be a bad idea?
Next Pokemon game on our phones with similar style and online tournaments ! I'm glad portable consoles are being shunned.
>>344605289
You really think Sony is third?
Xbone was and still is a disaster.
>>344607258
Never mentioned that Pokemon is a new IP. Are you stupid?
>>344607196
Hence the irony within my statement anon.
>>344605527
People worked for free in the 70s-90s?
>>344603318
And then they will just make or try to make more.
Milk it dry until it dies.
Then move on.
>>344607434
Case and point.
>>344607434
I'm talking about future generations.
The funny thing is that the monetization scheme for go is terrible. Not only did they skimp on literally every single part of the game, but they somehow managed to fuck up f2p in the process.
The way the game is working right now is that there is absolutely no incentive for a f2p player to compete with the p2w whales. In a typical mobage game there is the illusion that if you work hard and use your time efficiently you can compete at the high level, though you will always be stomped by the whales.
In go the only competitive element is gyms, and since you only need one whale to shut down a whole geographical area, there isn't even an illusion of being able to compete. The casual player sees a 1500 vaporeon and they only have 300-400 cp mons and realizes that it's a total waste. On top of that, the gym rewards are garbage, so why have the casuals playing with the whales at all?
Then the casuals are only catching pokemon, and all of the supplies you ever need are in pokestops making it especially useless to spend money. Meanwhile the whales run out of noobs to stomp and lose interest.
Especially once people realize that without extreme dedication, you're never going to get more than the 30 or so pokemon that show up regularly, the player base will drop off to nothing and the community will be super niche.
I really think this game may have just been an experiment to see how shitty a game they can make and get record sales anyway.
>>344603318
They'll just release more pokemon
Bam everyone's playing it like it's new again
Pokemon is the perfect test subject for mobile Nintendo apps. It is a sort of second-party series under Game-freak that they can do experimental titles with. Much like Kirby, which is also being experimented with a Cafe.
>>344607367
I don't see it
https://play.google.com/store/apps/collection/topgrossing?hl=en
I hope Ingress benefits from Niantic's PoGobucks. Ingress is a better game and we should be playing it instead
>>344607434
>Actually doesn't own pretty much any of the ips associated to the brand.
>Focus excessively on 3rd party developers.
How isn't Sony a third party?
>>344607582
>Working.
>Free.
That wasn't 21st century social media working model Nigga.
People worked, the risked to make something that stands out and they get profit even when if it was bad.
Reminder that it's only out in American and Australia.
>>344606517
Will it last? I think only 1 mobile game has ever managed to continuously bring money, the rest all crashed and burned.
>>344607679
I think you're half right.
They need a path for whales to take.
They also need just enough for f2p players to keep playing. It will obviously drop off but for this kind of mobile game you need a good ratio of whales to f2p. Many mobile games that survive on whales have a really shitty ratio of barely any non-paying players and massively paying players but if Nintendo is smart they'll find the perfect formula of paying, non-paying, and occasionally paying players. My guess is super cheap subscriptions with some benefits.
>>344607798
>/v/ listens in on Nintendo conference call with investors
>"We expect Pokemon to bring in steady revenue over the coming quarter..."
>/v/ laughs, whoops, and declares Nintendo btfo
Apologize. It hasn't even begun.
>>344607968
Third party? That's not what I meant. Third in the console race. Which they are most likely first for this current Gen.
PS4>WiiU>Xbone
That's how I think it is in general.
I am personally a PC/WiiU person though.
>>344607679
Casuals are stupid though and it'll take at least a month for them to even care
Really all people care about it the ability to catch Pokemon in real life, that's what all this hype is about.
>>344608205
Nintendo brands do have a lot of power on market.
No matter how much people deny. If they want they could carry alone a console just with their games.
>>344607679
My guess is that they will do things like "pay $10 for a masterball" or "pay $10 to capture pikachu immediately" or whatever incentive to get people to pay money.
Kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRW_057Y6t4
>>344608170
I guess different region. Also what the fuck is that in number 1? Why is it not Clash of Clans?
>>344608205
>>344608419
They could survive on Pokemon and Zelda games/licensing alone.
>>344603138
>Nintendo finally becomes synonymous with "phone games"
>fanboys are actually celebrating that the Nintendo meme came true
That's gold. Also, is meme magic real?
>>344608510
Ah. Yeah, I thought Clash of Clans would have been #1 (it is #4 in my region). That surprised me.
These casuals aren't going to save the NX aren't they?
>>344603138
>pastebin
>>344608727
Casuals will flock on everything that have fifa and their friends play.
No. Unless Nintendo makes a huge marketing campaign and start sucking third party dick.
>>344608727
If anything they would save the declining sales of Pokemon, but I doubt it.
>>344605917
You can't if you're not Japanese.
>>344608869
>Genwunners
>Saving the declining sales of Pokemon
They don't want to go out of their comfort zone
>>344608434
But here's the thing about that: you don't want to spend $5 on a pokemon you already have. If you don't go for gym battles and you have a pikachu already why would you pay for one?
This, I think is going to very quickly kill off everyone but the whales. If the only object is exploration and discovery, but there is only so much stuff to discover, why bother anymore? Even ways to increase rare encounters are just not sustainable.
They need to really capitalize on the fact that there are a ton of players that would pay money if it did something. Even the whales I imagine are running out of uses for their money. I mean, you can really only buy incenses and pokeballs I guess.
>>344607725
>implying normies care about anything past gen 1
>>344605289
> back into third place
When did that ever happen in the first place? Ps3s are still selling and destroyed 360s numbers long ago. Meanwhile, wiiu can't beat dreamcast or gcn numbers
>>344608985
These are no genwunners, they're just people with a smartphone. They get addicted to any f2p game on the market
>>344608994
what if they create some sort of rotation system that makes different mons appear every month or so? Or maybe give the user the choice to pay 99 cents and make any basic pokemon appear nearby?
>>344609126
721+ pokemons.
And more coming, well normies going have a bad time learning,
>>344609327
Genwunners are literally adults now who probably own a smartphone too.
>>344608510
its fun as fuck. I played for a while. it plays exactly like tribal wars or w/e the online game was
control a city, time gated upgrade path, but games are bound to a server, new servers start once every week or so, so if you want to be on the same level as everyone else just join the newest server.
u can basically lose everything though by being attacked.
>>344609126
>implying anyone but massive faggots care about anything past gen 1
Honestly the whales almost discourage me. You look at gyms where they've placed 1000 cp Flareons and wonder how they fuck you're supposed to compete with that.
>>344609425
I don't. I use my smartphone for work.
>>344605347
when games weren't required to sell at least 3 million copies just to break even
>>344608994
I see your points.
I don't play the game, but can't they just make it really easy (for a small fee) to capture legendary pokemon? You would think with Pokemon they can introduce new ideas to make money.
>>344609509
you don't. And even if you could, there is very little point. If you somehow manage to hold it for 20 hours then you get $0.10 in game currency. Which you will have to spend on revives and potions to heal.
>>344603942
I thought he was just there to keep the seat warm.
>>344603138
you know nintendo software always sells right? marketers and business analysts are always lamenting how nintendo has this insanely profitable pile of iconic IPs that are criminally underutilized
look at how well their first party titles sell on a console that only sold a fraction of the ps4
>>344603138
Seem to be forgetting that Nintendo has had successful mobile games before, and that didn't change anything.
>>344605880
>new zelda game needs only 2m to make profit back
You know how much Nintendo spent developing Zelda U? Haven't they been working on it for 5 years now? I would guess it cost them a pretty penny.
>>344609390
They will drop it when the minute they see how a modern Pokémon past gen 4 looks like.
>>344609327
Would they really see it worth their time to purchase a copy of Pokemon Sun and Moon along with a 3DS?
Granted it would be funny if they start demanding Sun and Moon to be ported for smartphones or buy a copy of the game and be surprised that they need a 3ds to play it
>>344609868
>marketers and business analysts are always lamenting how nintendo has this insanely profitable pile of iconic IPs that are criminally underutilized
I'm pretty sure that they are busy saying that nintendo is doomed. But people always ignore Nintendo software sales.
>>344603138
>stocks
Oh good, I love seeing /v/ turn into a bunch of armchair investment experts.
>>344609992
every single gen has had stupid and lazy designs
>>344609708
Heres what they need to do
Absolutely implement combat outside of gyms. Literally fixes everything with the game.
If they don't want to do that make it so that how long you've been holding a gym affects your legendary encounter rate. Double if you were the leader.
After having 100 total hours of gym prestige you have a chance to have higher rarity pokemon spawn for you, eventually legendaries. I'm not quite sure how this works in the real game since pokemon wander the map server-side, not client-side, but they can make it happen.
Of course this is still shitty because the main thing that determines the pokemon's power is the trainer level, not the rarity. A rattata trained by a level 20 trainer is going to be way more powerful than a charizard caught by a level 5 trainer.
>>344603318
>will wear off next month.
you mean just like clash of clan and candy crush?
>>344610005
no one says "nintendo is doomed", try venturing outside of /v/ for perspective sometimes
they have never once been in danger of going out of business. sony has had to kill off internal divisions to stay afloat and the less said of xbox's tortuous development the better
>>344610142
They will never going put combat like mainline games.
>>344609742
Nah, shiggy was interim CEO but pushed to have someone with actual business skills running the show ASAP. Thus Kimmy.
>>344609994
I mean that's the most they'll do. These people probably already have 3DSes gathering up dust somewhere in their closet.
>>344603318
>>344610202
you mean like Overwatch?
all they ever needed was a Pokemon MMO and now that they have it they better keep updating and including shit to it.
They HAVE TO fix the server issues before people start not giving a fuck
>>344609927
this is only the second official nintendo mobile game ever made
back when nintendo revealed miitomo at their shareholders meeting, their stock dipped because mobile-centric investors were waiting for an app like this. something with microtransactions.
>>344609936
They've already said they plan on making use of the engine and assets to further cover the costs.
That's not even mentioning it's role as leverage for the NX launch.
I wouldn't be surprised if it sold more than 2m on both platforms though. I'll be buying both if the NX provides a siginifant performance boost.
>>344610378
Is this still happening? I connect errtime now and no crashes.
>>344607840
>thinking that they'd pump money into something that doesn't even have 10% revenue of what go has
>>344603318
Like how Puzzles and Dragons was big for a month then just fizzled out and went away.
:^)
>>344603138
Mobile gaming is literally raping Nintendo's lubed up asshole.
They have no choice but to go full mobile because dumbass normalfaggots don't even know that Nintendo has a home console in the market
>>344607725
That honestly will probably kill it. A lot of the Pokemon Go fanbase are people who haven't played Pokemon since gen 1 or 2, MAYBE 3. Adding the newer pokemon will work once or twice but anything further than that will start turning off people that haven't played Pokemon in awhile.
They'll start getting upset that instead of seeing their Growlithes and Machops they're seeing Sawks and Garbadors.
I've actually seen quite a few people saying they're interested in GO because it's only gen 1.
Will /v/ cheer as Nintendo dies and makes only mobile slop?
if nintendo weren't retarded they would announce pokemon stadium 3 as a launch exclusive for the nx like tomorrow but since I'm literally smarter than every marketing exec at nintendo they won't
>>344603318
How can it only last a month when a large amount of countries haven't even gotten an official release of it yet?
>>344610221
Nintendo failure with consoles sales have a bit to do with social aspect.
No matter how much good is the console or powerful, people will ignore because their friends play on playstation or xbox consoles. On top of everything Nintendo have like no footing on europe outside of handheld brands. Casuals will flock on something popular and with a lot of marketing, but Nintendo do have equal power with massive IP list and software sale.
Also Nintendo just make games, unlike microsoft and sony.
>>344605289
>Xfag delusion
>>344610520
i dont get anymore crashes, but that gym glitch still exists, also sometimes the game freezes when trying to catch pokemon, very rare though
>>344603138
Phone success doesnt last like other parts of their brand, give it a year and this price jump will be a inconsistant spike.
>>344605289
This is delusion.
>>344610864
pokemon stadium 3? are you fucking kidding me? pokemon stadium has less gameplay than go, why the fuck would they make another one?
/v/ always complains about spore being the most disappointing game, but I remember the hype for stadium. Then you realized that it was just combat with no consequences or goals, and it was just a game to make things look pretty.
Don't even fucking talk about that garbage
An increase in stock price does not communicate it's a profitable idea.
>>344610475
They likely will sell MUCH more than 2m. I'm just skeptical of that number. I don't know if 2m will cover the cost of production.
That's 60x2,000,000. So 120,000,000 gross. Then take into account their expenses.
-Production of discs and physical media and packaging.
-Cost of shipping.
-Cost of bandwith for digital downloads.
-Cost of technical support.
-Cost of advertising.(Nintendo does advertise, albeit very small.)
-Compare to Metal Gear V's production cost of 80m. Which was in production from around 2011 to 2015.
It's a lot of guess work, so I can't really come up with a definite number. But my guess is they need to sell more than 2m to reach profit.
>>344611276
ok cool now look at the thread we're in right now
>>344611460
They said they need 2M to make profit back.
Since its a zelda game it going sell a lot more.
At same time, Nintendo is a first party and knows the hardware as well, and don't have a big staff.
In comparison, most AAA staff have like 400 - 1000+ members and they aren't even on same country or state, western development is just a production line.
>>344610202
Both apps not built on gimmicks that can be played on the toilet, unlike GO
>>344611746
>They said they need 2M to make profit back.
When did they say that?
>>344610089
>The shitty design defense 101.
I didn't realized we were on 2010 and gen 5 was new?
>>344611935
Shareholders meeting.
>>344610971
>Also Nintendo just make games,
>>344611460
Oh I agree that 2m a random ass number. I'm not the fag who claimed this is the profit line of the game.
But if it's true, it might be taking all those other factor I mentioned into account.
But since we're speculating, I do belive the majority of the cost (aside maybe from the manufacturing) comes from the development team, their salary and the technology used.
I remember hearing that they were working with a 100 people team, though I'm not sure how well these peope are paid nor if that's above or below average size for a game like this.
>>344612050
Best amiibo. Fuck you.
>>344612079
>>344612079
You forget assets will be recycled and they'll use less money for fture projects .
>>344612050
Nintendo don't make phones, TVs or other stuff anon.
Sure there is amiibo line, but thats it, take a look at sony bleeding money everywhere and microsoft being stupid with windows phone.
>>344609438
Travian but on mobile?
>>344612224
No, I mentioned it in >>344610475
This is one messy thresome we're in.
Anonymity has its downsides I suppose.
Regardless, looks like we'll be getting another Majora's Mask, which is totally fine by me.
Is this a sign that botw will be the new OoT?
>>344612131
>>344612962
Dethroning OOT is quite impossible.
At least in terms of score, Mario Galaxy games comes close with 96-98/100, But even overrated shit like Last of Us didn't got perfect score.
Congratulations.
You, who downloaded shuffle mobile, Miitomo and Pokemon Go.
You killed gaming.
>>344603138
Mobile will be a 3rd pillar. Nintendo still love to makes dedicated games. you will 1st see Sony or Microsoft kill a division to make a mobile one
This is it. If the NX fails, Nintendo goes full mobage gacha jew mode.
>>344603318
>but the novelty will wear off next month.
this boils down to how Nintendo keep it updated.
Updates and events is what kept People playing Splatoon
>>344613231
There's no reason for it to just be a third pillar if the other pillars are failures.
>>344613382
>if the other pillars are failures.
>other pillar on the black
>WiiU worst console nintendo ever sold still made money due to attachment Rate
I hope you never get in charge of manage anything
>>344613231
Sony already had a mobile division but it was a loss leader so they sold it off
>>344608170
>MobileStrike is up there
Huh, those Arnie ads that showed next to no gameplay actually worked. Guess people really are easy.
>>344613492
Companies won't even occupy staff with something that sells a pittance when they have things that sell a ton. Same reason why Konami dropped out of vidya, their sports clubs and Pachislot machines make them far more
>>344613492
If the NX does worse or at a level similar to the Wii U, why in god's name would investors encourage Nintendo to keep manufacturing consoles?
>>344613382
How about put that dick out of your arse and look close at numbers?
For sure WiiU sold bad, but do made profit back and have some good attach rate on top of okayish software sale. 3ds didn't sold much as DS but it is one of best selling console on this gen.
>>344613541
Given how Sony have operated in the past, the popularity of GO and that they basically gave up on Handhelds. I expect em to try 1 or 2 copies in the near future
>>344613756
If numbers keep going down there's no reason to keep in the race other than pride.
I mean let's say this isn't a flash in the pan. What if mobile really starts netting Nintendo consistent serious money. Why would they create a rival to their own profits by continuing in the handheld market?
The NX itself has to bring the lead out too if it wants to justify its existence.
>>344613839
Sony don't have enough IP brands to make use of it. Playstation Allstars proved it.
Also I always find funny how that every time that someone tries to copy nintendo they fail at astronomical levels. PSmove got okayish sales and Kinect have more uses outside of games than anything.
>>344613736
>>344613654
>Investors
Investors cant do shit, unless all get together and sell out stocks...
that being said, Stocks aside (if you dont know why. stop replying). unless Go and the other games prove to be a long term income that beats Consoles by folds... the Nintendo has no reason to removes dedicated hardware. its not hard.
1 HH 10$
2 Consoles 4$
3 Mobiles 5$
Total 19$
retards then want to removes console
1 HH 10$
3 Mobiles 5$
Total 15$
congratulations. you lost 4$
>>344613839
Problem is, Sony doesn't really have many valuable IP. Most people buy Sony consoles for third parties. Nintendo can succeed on mobile due to the value of their IP standing out amongst the generic slop even if their mobile games are crap like Pokemon Go. But something like a God of War mobile game, which is one of their more noted IPs, doesn't really work.
>>344614207
Investors have nothing to do with it. Management do. Unless they stick to consoles purely for HONOR, they have no need to bother with putting staff on an ever shrinking market when they have mobile with hundreds of millions of potential customers
>>344614054
>other than pride.
as long as it keeps black. pride is enough reason to keep it.
>>344614241
>Playstion Allstars.
>80% are Third parties.
And Cloud getting on smash was the coup d' grace.
>>344614241
>Problem is, Sony doesn't really have many valuable IP.
thye think they do. or will pay a 3rd party to let em use it. See that abortion that was All Stars Battle
>Uncharted Go
>be an explorer like your favority male Tomb Rider
>walk around to find treasure
>Explore "ruins" for better treasures
etc
>>344614207
>Investors cant do shit
Investor pressure is the reason they got into mobile in the first place, dude.
I also don't think you understand just how absurdly profitable mobile can be for some games, to the point of where it can come off practically criminal.
>>344614403
Wasn't enough for Konami and several other Japanese companies.
>>344603138
>nintendo will go mobile and switch focus to more casual audiences instead of "hardcore"
Good. I hope the "hardcore" crowd dies. I saw SGDQ this year and there is absolutely nothing in the gaming community worth saving. Lets hope kids nowadays don't play fucking nintendo so they don't end up like SGDQ peopel
>>344614356
again. unless mobiles can prove in a long term to be its own profit + console. the is not reason to kill a division that even on the worst. still was black
you are thinking is how Sony (overall near RED) would cut costs. Nintendo dont need to kill a division.
>>344614564
Investors just want fast money no matter what.
If they could they would release a pokemon game every fucking year.
Remember Guitar Hero?
>>344614731
It comes down to how well their next console venture goes.
No one is going to look at a continuing downward slope of sales and say "that's fine".
>>344614507
I think most of the appeal of Uncharted to normalfags is the movie feel (no joke). They probably wouldn't bother with an Uncharted mobile game because it loses that.
>>344614731
I'm not saying they will kill the console side immediately. That would be foolish. It will happen gradually as Nintendo puts out more and more mobile releases and realizes they are sustainable with mobile alone.
>>344614564
>Investor pressure is the reason they got into mobile in the first place, dude.
after 6 years since mobile boom.
Nintendo finally decided to take an step in the market. but if they did not wanted. Investors could not force em. cause after all is done and said, they know they cant even boycott, cause Nintendo owns enough of its stocks to avoid a hostile takeover
>>344614656
>Wasn't enough for Konami and several other Japanese companies.
>Companies that only 1 game a year was profitable
>rest of the games were multi millions investments that flopped
>Mean While Nintendo wizards at budget management
>BotW one of the biggest "most expensive" games they have ever made
>breaks even with only 2M copies sold
On contrast. RE6. when it was at the 5M mark copies sold, was still considered a financial flop
>>344614882
Nintendo is just using Mobile stuff to raise brand awareness. They aren't going anywhere soon or later. If you want play Nintendo games buy a Nintendo console.
>>344615017
To be fair, Nip companies have some stuff to stop hostile takeovers, otherwise capcom or some other publishers would be devoured fast by Jews.
>>344614869
why not???
Its makes money.
and avoid Sony from monopolizing the market
>Believing nintendo lies
http://gamerant.com/satoru-iwata-nintendo-mobile-kyle-104237/
>>344608510
You obviously live in a chink region, chinks are stupid consumerists and spend just to validate thier existence. Funnel money into in app purchases, GO doesn't even have ads. Top Grossing Apps.
I though you small hairless monkey men were supposed to be smart.
Relevant captcha - noodles lol
>>344610202
>>344610646
All of the above have actual gameplay. Pokemon Go is a real life walking sim.
Not saying the idea isn't great, but the game's current state simply will not be able to hold anyone for long.
>>344614882
>That would be foolish. It will happen gradually as Nintendo puts out more and more mobile releases and realizes they are sustainable with mobile alone.
if Mobile proves to make a profit + whant Consoles made. and consoles still goes down. its plausible. that being said. Nintendo is the most "We do like games" among the 3 big manufacturers. so I believe they will just keep making consoles as long as they are on the black.
>>344615282
Well, Sony have a entire monopoly on Europe.
Aside France, France is Nintendo turf, but even there there is Fifa.. So.
Also Nintendo don't push too much market on Europe.Or here.
>>344615282
If something is disproportionately making more money, and is simple and easy to produce, while another is a bigger investment and making less, and over time sales continue to decrease, why would you continue?
>>344615228
>To be fair, Nip companies have some stuff to stop hostile takeovers, otherwise capcom or some other publishers would be devoured fast by Jews.
Japan has laws that basically give time to any trade company to buy its own stocks if a massive amount is dumped all at once. and doing it little by little using a shell company is kinda impossible without being noticed. so yeah, its virtually impossible to pull a HTO on a Nip company.
>>344609126
The genwunners will be begging for new pokemon within the next 2 weeks, if they don't just drop the game outright without being able to comprehend why they're getting so bored of seeing the same ~50 evolutionary trees every single day.
>>344615505
>Sony have a entire monopoly on Europe.
EA has. Europe does it cause FIFA which sony has some contracts if I remember right.
if the fun part. S and M life line is 3rd party software. remove it and non will last even half a gen.
>>344615196
It's easier to make a game cheaper when the console you're working on is three Gamecubes taped together.
>>344615525
>why would you continue?
>1 HH 10$
>2 Consoles 4$
>3 Mobiles 5$
>Total 19$
>retards then want to removes console
>1 HH 10$
>3 Mobiles 5$
>Total 15$
>congratulations. you lost 4$
cause stills being money.
>>344615829
>It's easier to make a game cheaper when the console you're working on is three Gamecubes taped together.
>WiiU is more powerful than PS360
>BotW is way bigger and more complex than RE
>this post
pic related
>>344615228
>Nintendo is just using Mobile stuff to raise brand awareness. They aren't going anywhere soon or later. If you want play Nintendo games buy a Nintendo console.
That's their PR now. See where they go when the money is flowing in from mobile and not so much from console.
>>344615981
The problem with your argument is the fact that besides the Wii, Nintendo's consoles have been on a continuous downward slope in sales. If the NX does worse than the Wii U, no sane person would tell you to keep investing countless dollars and man hours into trying to stay in a market people clearly have no interest in you staying in.
>>344603138
Yeah, you're right, and I still want them to go mobile.
Just not with shitty lackluster games like this. I want them to make full-fledged entries for my phone.
And, hey, since Android won't write to SD Card, Apple is a draconian piece of shit, and Microsoft is basically Satan, I would not mind buying a Nintendo smartphone provided that it's legit.
>>344616060
They aren't going make a mainline or a big game on phones.
People will never going pay premium price for a single game,Nintendo or Not. Piracy also is piss easy on phones.
>>344615762
Sony and Microsoft are pretty much slaves of third parties, whatever they like or not, Nintendo have a lot of freedom because of this, and western third parties hate them because they don't suck dick like Sony and Microsoft.
But on japan is mostly because aniplex have some deals there and there.And Fuck aniplex.
>>344616451
>people will never pay premium price
Tell that to Sega and Square-Enix.
>>344607983
You are fucking stupid if you think people from other countries aren't playing it . You can download the apk from the internet If you have an android or change your ios country store If you have an iPhone
>>344616451
And when much cheaper to produce f2p mobile games start bringing in more money than those big name mainline ones, you're going to have people asking why they're producing that stuff.
>>344616381
and as long as Mobile dont prove to be able to poor back those $$$$ killing said division is not good either
>>344616584
>And when much cheaper to produce f2p mobile games start bringing in more money than those big name mainline ones,
>He thinks stock market = income
Jesus Christ. Stock Market is glorified Hype.
>>344616612
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm not able to fully parse what you're saying here.
If I understand right though, it all depends on whether or not their games get some serious whales to spend money, but considering it's Nintendo, I don't doubt that.
>>344603318
Pokemon is a fad that won't die, it will continue to be successful on mobile if they keep making pokemon games for it.
>>344616705
When did I say that?
This game is popular though. If they're able to pull in cash like other mainstream mobage, they're going to be fucking making back. Criminally large amounts of money for what you'd think the product at hand would be making.
>>344616451
>They aren't going make a mainline or a big game on phones.
Of course not mainline. Mainline will die and be replaced with f2p which is what the mobile audience prefers
>>344603842
stock shit like this goes over to >>>/biz/ even if it's for a video game company.
>>344603138
>scale is in days
Please.
>>344616967
The why Sony isn't making a last of us mobile game? Or microsoft doing a Halo shooter on phones?
How about a new Fifa 17 on phones?
Don't be short sighted anon, really, it does give money, but not that much.Also, next gen sony is out of handheld market, Nintendo is going have a field day for some time.
>>344617782
>The why Sony isn't making a last of us mobile game?
TLOU's main draw is its cinematic nature, which can't be done on phones yet if ever and the controls don't work
>Or microsoft doing a Halo shooter on phones?
FPS are niche on phones due to the controls not supporting it well.
>How about a new Fifa 17 on phones?
Controls don't really work unless it was just a management sim and people don't like those as much.
Nintendo can't make a Mario game on phones for the same reasons, but they can abandon platformers and make slop like Pokemon Go, and that is what you should fear.
>>344618229
>Nintendo can't make a Mario game on phones for the same reasons
You pretty much gave the answer of your question.
>>344611902
>>344615315
>Muh gimmick fad because Nintendo
Oh fuck off
>>344618508
I didn't ask a question
>all this PS all stars bullying
I had fun
>>344608994
You're missing one vital element to this game, and that is the community.
Ingress has zero front-end monitization to speak of, and it has an absolutely huge and thriving community.
With pokemon, it's basically the same thing, but times ten, because people are that much more likely to jump in to a property they're familiar with.
The whole game is designed around that philosophy; there's only so much one man can do to a late-game gym, regardless of how many high-level pokemon they have, you really need your buddies to come with you to take down and then rebuild and sustain those level ten gyms.
>>344614356
>purely for honor
It's like you don't know anything about Nintendo.
They stick with bad ideas even when EVERYBODY tells them they're wrong, just so they don't have to admit it.
>>344621067
This is actually exactly why they used Nintendo characters in Super Smash Bros. They were going to make a new IP, but they realized that it would have a better chance if they used all their Nintendo characters.
>>344621834
Sometimes they will admit it though, and that is what to fear. People would've never though a few years ago they'd let their IPs onto mobile. It would be admitting weakness.
>>344617782
>Nintendo is going have a field day for some time.
>implying Nintendo will release another handheld ever
It might happen, and I hope it does, but I won't be holding my breath on that one.
>>344606245
>I mean Nintendo should have banked on this market long ago
trust me, i guarantee at least a few investors cried tears of fucking joy when pkmn go was announced.
this and "pay $1 to make mario jump higher in SMB" were all investors wanted from nintendo mobile gaming all along.
>>344622408
Why isn't 50 million enough for Nintendo?
Mobile blue oceaned Nintendo in the butt
why is everybody talking like Nintendo is behind this and not "the pokemon company", with Gamefreak and their partners being the main actors, while nintendo is just a shareholder there.
I mean, we know nintendo is powerless against Gamefreak since the pokemon amiibo reveal and their lack of use, including not even having pokemon sounds in mario maker.
>>344622590
It's more about the prospect of the mobile market taking over, actually.
It's REALLY hard to predict when is the right time to jump off the boat and many people belived the 3DS was already a bad idea bound to sink beneath the mobile wave, just like the Vita did.
>>344603138
These percentages, out of almost no value, though.
It's not all that.
My question is why is Pokemon Go so shitty in terms of actual GAME mechanics?
It's neat to walk around in real life and catch pokemon based on your location. That's a lot of fun.
But what you do with them after that is fucking stupid and it would so much more fun if it was just a Pokemon game, with the standard turn-based, 4-ability RPG battle system. Also why can't I fucking trade with some asshole I meet on the train? Why can't we battle? Why do I have to go to a gym to participate in a stupid, neutered battle system against nobody?
Pokemon was not a hard game to grasp. They did not need to dumb it down this much for the mobile audience.
>>344622897
Well, let's entertain for a moment the thought that Nintendo invested millions of dollars in Niantic after Pokémon Go was first shown off to massive response.
And that they're now building an internal mobile team.
But yeah, Go isn't a Nintendo idea. Pretty sure someone at Niantic pitched this to higher ups at The Pokémon Company.
>>344620075
The only decent smash Bros type game is power stone.
Get ashamed and some taste.
>>344623509
Yes they needed to.
It's a very ambitious concept that has to be done with utmost simplicity, both to be accessible and tie-in with the concept.
You have to have a billion things to interact with all the time, between encounters and stops, and bear in mind that everything you do in an MMO setting has to be simplified to fit in the context of a huge population of players.
And to tie it all, they have to do it in a way that any pleb with a phone can play and feel minimally engaged, ultimately to sell shit from a shop. Hence the supit ball throwing mechanic.
Sure, it could be polished, but the concept of a MOBILE pokemon MMO can't go much beyond that.
>>344610202
No, I mean like Miitomo and Pokemon Shuffle.
>>344604046
Nintendo is the publisher, they're receiving all the revenue from this.
>>344622203
they were not, cause they dont have any fuckign debt
is more like they got tired of investors whinnying and decide to give a shot.
>>344626881
Doesn't matter whether you have debt or not. If investors call for something you do it or they will tank your shitty stock so hard you'll go from CEO to janitor so fast it'll look like you just went through the Great Depression in a week and a half.
>>344604636
>>344605030
This. Consoles reached a saturation point (although new markets develop every day as new people become old enough to want a console).
If someone left it'd mean someone else took their spot so long as a spot was there.
Nintendo wasn't fucking around with that red/blue ocean statement. They want to bring games to markets that have opportunities for growth. Consoles don't have that much opportunity.
>>344603138
>Armed Robbers Used Pokemon Go App to Target Victims, According to Cops
>O'Fallon Police said the perpetrators of the robberies used the game by adding "a beacon to a PokeStop," referring to an aspect of the game that enables users to lure additional players.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/armed-robbers-pokemon-app-target-victims-cops/story?id=40474315
>>344606109
Because if people wanted to buy consoles more than they want to buy phones they'd fucking do that.
>>344627119
This is wrong, especially with the opening of China.Consoles aren't cars or fridge too, the market doesn't saturate like that.
>>344627170
This shit is deranged. Shut it down, Nintendo.
>>344627037
>Doesn't matter whether you have debt or not. If investors call for something you do it or they will tank your shitty stock
>he thinks Investors have any power on Nintendo
>an Japanese company
>that owns most of its own Stocks
you are funny. retarded, but funny
Why is nintendos stock going up? Niantic and other augmented reality should go up instead.
>>344627170
This is why people actually wishes they were Japanese. The west is a shithole, where it's your fault when shit happen outside of your house.
>>344627240
The console market naturally loses people when parents stop buying their kids consoles, and those kids then become peecee gamoors. No one wants to spend 400 bucks on a locked down POS you can't even use how you want to when you could have a free and open PC for gaming and everything else
We need a Yakuza version of Golden Homer now.Or at least and updated "it prints money" gif
>>344627617
>The console market naturally loses people when parents stop buying their kids consoles, and those kids then become peecee gamoors.
nice fanfics. People don't go on PC because of their age, and don't stop playing console games just because they have a PC. Only /v/ believe that whole "gamers are only under one brand" war shit.
>>344623509
>>344624550
Get your heads out of your asses, there's nothing ambitious about the game or the idea, the reason the game feels so shallow is because Pokemon Go is an older game that failed because it didn't have brand recognition and the devs simply slapped Pokemon on top of it when Nintendo approached them. Almost nothing has changed since the original tanked two years ago.
>>344627436
Stock exists to garner outside capital. Owning a ton of your own stock just means you can't be taken over. But if the part from outside investors tanks you're really just defeating the purpose of being listed in the first place.
>>344627474
>Why is nintendos stock going up? Niantic and other augmented reality should go up instead.
Nintendo cause Pokemon brand
Niantic stocks went up a little too but everyone know the selling point of Pkm GO is the POKEMON. you can makes a 1:1 clone but with another franchise and it wont have the same impact
>>344627697
>People don't go on PC because of their age
They really do. I've seen it over and over. The only reason I'm still a consolefag is becauseI'd have an anxiety attack opening up my PC to install a GPU
>>344627810
>Nintendo cause Pokemon brand
but that's a misconception. Nintendo isn't Pokémon right owners. They really wish but that's it.
>>344605880
>unlike AAA devs
Nintendo isn't AAA?
Are you an retard?
>>344627754
this is correct
still dont prove your point that "investors can force Nintendo to do anything" which clearly they cant cause it took 8 years of whinnying
>>344627848
>They really do.
nope. Just stop that shit.
>>344627897
The Pokemon Company cannot decouple itself from Nintendo (yet)
>>344627919
they aren't. AAA is about budget. It's about making games that cost around 100 million dollars. A nintendo games usually is in the 5-10M$ budget, often less.
Zelda is probably their biggest budget ever, but it will probably not be AAA either.
>>344627897
Nintendo own equal parts with creature and THE Pokemon Company, and Nintendo OWNs the right to the main stream line of Games.
Pokemon company just exists to Manage the other iterations of the franchise (cards. anime. figures) so Nintendo can be 100% on the game.
>>344627919
AAA means high budget. Most of Nintendo's games are of a modest budget. They just sell very well for that due to people brainwashed from childhood
