Which punk you prefer, /v/?
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Which punk you prefer, /v/?
they're all shit
Cyberpunk, by quite a long way. Raypunk is okay.
>>344582128
I adore Cyberpunk, Diesel punk is pretty cool too. I can't think of a good example of raypunk and steampunk is just garbage
>>344582368
that image isn't cyberpunk
>>344582591
>steampunk is just garbage
Any of them are fine except cyberpunk, it's just a loser's way of saying generic sci-fi garbage.
>>344582629
Gunnm is pure cyberpunk, m8. Mixed with fightan action, though.
They're just settings. You can have a quality work in any of those, really.
Probably the only good thing to come out of the steampunk setting
>>344582629
this is
>raypunk
I don't think that's real.
Cyberpunk is the only of those 4 that actually invokes the "punk" name of the subgenre and also has some really fantastic and meaningful literature in it.
The rest are hyperstylized faffing for morons.
Also it's not fucking "raypunk" that's not a thing, it's called retro futurism.
There will always be a special place in my heart for Cyberpunk.
Biopunk
gothpunk
Name one steampunk game that actually utilizes the themes of the genre and isn't just fantasy with top hats and airships.
Pro tip:you can't, it doesn't exist.
Whats 40k?
Is there Ray Goth Metal?
That's what I like.
cyberpunk was the only one that has any actual punk aesthetics, before it was extrapolated to basically anything postmodern related (which has nothing to do with punk or the Marxist shit they're tied up with)
>>344583492
Name any piece of steampunk media that actually utilizes the themes of the genre and isn't just fantasy with top hats and airships.
Actually, name anybody who knows what the themes of steampunk are.
>>344583504
>Whats 40k?
Dark Fantasy: But In Space?
I like grimdarkfuturefantasypunk
>>344583492
Arcanum, duh.
>class struggle
>anti-Semitism, gnomes being Jews
>rapid industrialization makes older kingdoms like Dernhelm obsolete
Threadly reminder that you can't take anything and slap punk on it to make it an aesthetic.
>>344583791
That's a cool postpunk
punk basically means juvenile shit
>>344582128
I love cyberpunk, like dieselpunk, but I've never seen any raypunk stuff and 95% of steampunk is fucking garbage.
There's great potential in all of them, but Cyberpunk has the best track record. I'd say it's a lot to do with the near-future setting and highly relatable themes to do with technology and corporate distrust and so on. It's not too oversaturated, but compared to the other three it's really the winner.Steampunk really needs to get its shit together
Cyberpunk is the only one worth being called a subgenre.
The rest are just artstyles.
>>344582681
>garbage defends garbage
>>344582629
>Battle Angel
>the greatest manga of all timeright behind Aria
>not cyberpunk
You shut your whore mouth
>>344582128
Cyberpunk > Raypunk > Dieselpunk > Steampunk
Give me a cyberpunk game that isn't fucking dully lit, minimal neon light gritty bullshit
>>344583024
>>344583186
>>344584264
>weebs are upset because somebody isn't playing along with their "i-i-it's not a childish cartoon if it's japanese!" agenda
typical. go back to your containment board.
>>344582128
Modempunk.
>>344584386
so, you want a cyberpunk game that has none of the defining characteristics of cyberpunk?
biopunk
>>344582128
styber punk the best
>>344583492
Thief 2
>>344583227
I think it's like pre-war Fallout and TomorrowLand
>>344582681
>>344582591
Steampunk is not as shit as it is generally regarded, it's just that it's been overdone so fucking much it's just boring now.
That and hardcore autists seem to latch on almost automatically to it
>>344584386
Beneath a Steel Sky.
>>344582591
>steampunk is just garbage
Arcanum was good.
>>344584440
>Post cyberpunk
>Someone says it's not
>Correct them
>'weeb argument'
Stay classy.Thanks for the (You) though, it's nice to have an excuse to post more Gally.
Thematically and aesthetically I prefer steampunk, cyberpunk has better games overall but is full of edge now, so it's stale.
>>344583162
Not the only good thing, imo.
BioShock
Final Fantasy 6
Thief 1 & 2
Grandia
Fartpunk, i just made it up. It's set in a post apocalyptic world dominated by fratboys
>>344584440
>autist gets automatically triggered over chinese drawings.
Kek. Must be nice being you
Atompunk = Bestpunk
>>344582128
normally I think it's all gay but I guess I'll go with diesel since I just finished reading the dark tower and it's got that kinda vibe to it.
>>344583492
steampunk has themes?
>>344583641
I have some possibilities in mind. A lot of them can also be shared with the rest, like mechanized labor leading to new class structure, nature vs civilization, industrialization and its effects, and I guess time-period wise you could throw in colonialism as well.
>>344584615 Beat me to it.
The Thief games do steampunk rather well by keeping it more subtle, wrapping industrialism up into a religion and way of life, and the more industrialized locations are, it's more dangerous to you as the player since it leads to loud metal walkways and troublesome security measures. It's to serve as a metaphor for the cold harsh machine religion can be, like the Catholic Church at it's worst.But that's just a theory
>>344584807
>BioShock
Not really Steampunk, tho. It borrows some elements, but that's about it.
>>344584386
This has to be bait
>>344584807
Bioshock ain't steampunk tho
>>344582591
>steampunk is just garbage
Real steampunk, like Theif II, is actually good. But for some reason steampunk just because "Gears and steam on everything!"
>>344582128
Cyberpunk Dark Souls when?
I've had enough of both cyberpunk and steampunk. I would love to see more Dieselpunk and Raygun Gothic.
>>344584990
just became*
>>344584386
I can't even think of a game that HAS those things in it
Whalepunk
>>344582128
Next time just say you want a cyberpunk thread OP
SkaPunk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udUCjJphE-0
>>344582128
Cyberpunk is my favourite for obvious reasons. It's simply the most well realised setting. Dieselpunk I like in theory though I can't say I've seen it done much. Steampunk on the other hand is a setting that defines style over substance and I am far from a fan of it. It's all superficial and lacks, for example, the society half of cyberpunk's "high tech, low society"; steampunk is simply quirky technology and cogs in your hat. However, depending on how you define it, I'd say Dishonored's the best steampunk setting around despite the term doing the game and its universe a great disservice, but people will keep using that word. I always felt like it merely shared the Victorian inspirations but with a way more distinct dieselpunk feeling; brick buildings giving way for concrete industry, old values being thrown down the abattoir with the whale carcasses that power the city's new industrial age, a plague brought about by the new order. The classical and the aesthetic juxtaposed against industrial brutalism.
>>344584940
Yeah, it's about capitalism gone mad. Those air ships are all coal powered, and to get that coal you have to mine it. The punks in steampunk are all coal miners who are aggressively attacked if they unionize.
>>344582128
Steampunk is for hardcore fedora tippers so i choose raypunk
>>344585015
>Not just a Sci Fi Dark Souls where your entire interstellar base/starship crashlands onto an alien planet and you just run around killing aliens and maybe rogue robots from the crashed ship
>>344583991
>but I've never seen any raypunk stuff
the jetsons
Debate thisProtip it's simply not possible
1. Cyberpunk
2. Dieselpunk
3. Raypunk
...
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674. Steampunk
>>344585214
I should also add that I have no opinion on raypunk, though I do like art deco in all its tacky glory.
>>344585214
>Steampunk on the other hand is a setting that defines style over substance and I am far from a fan of it. It's all superficial and lacks, for example, the society half of cyberpunk's "high tech, low society"; steampunk is simply quirky technology and cogs in your hat.
Cyberpunk on the other hand is a setting that defines style over substance and I am far from a fan of it. It's all superficial and lacks, for example, the society half of steampunk showing the growth of the divide between the upper and lower classes, rapid industrialization destroying the older ways of life; cyberpunk is simply neon lights and hackers.
>>344585219
>No Steampunk game where the final boss is Margaret Thatcher
Wasted opportunity.
>>344582128
Raypunk - RTS
Steampunk - RPG
Dieselpunk - Driving Game
Cyberpubk - Adventure Game
>>344584615
>>344584945
It has some elements that could be considered steampunk, like the Mechanists and medieval society in industrial revolution, but that doesn't make it a steampunk game any more than the Pagans or Hammers or Keepers make it whatever-punk.
It's the closest label to fit maybe, but I've always found it's more its own thing.
>>344585428
Raypunk is pretty damn bad nigga, should at least be number 274.
>>344584960
>>344584989
I took it to be that, maybe just as a theme then?
Even if we eliminate it from the list there's still a coupe of good ones in there. I wish there were more Steampunk games that did more than just skin everything with gears and Victorian fashion. It's fantasy that touches on sci-fi, and there is something that appeals to me.
Seapunk
>>344582591
Would Flash Gordon be Raypunk?
Steam punk is the most difficult to pull off and also the most raped by idiots who put some gears on a top hat and call it steampunk.
True streampunk is shit like The Difference Engine, and that's, pretty fuckin neato.
Also cyberpunk is usually good.
Dieselpunk usually devolve rapidly into over the top guns and moustaches western, have still to see a nice and consistent specimen.
Raypunk is gay garbage for faggots
>>344585468
So it's literally just late 19th century with cooler tech?
>>344585659
Yeah, that's fair.
I'd still point to them as an example of how to do steampunk related shit in a good way.
>>344585828
Pretty sure Flash Gordon defined raypunk.
>>344585860
Cyberpunk is literally modern day with cooler tech.
It wasn't back when Neuromancer was written but it is now.
>>344585828
Yes, and Star Trek too.
>>344585659
It only seems that way because it doesn't slap random cogs and tubes on everything. But I'd only say Thief 2 is steampunk, not 1.
>>344585428
Steampunk is only bad because of its fans. The actual steampunk games are generally pretty good.
Is Memepunk a thing?
It should be.
>>344585970
Cyberpunk proposes an entirely new world order and moral dilemmas we have never seen before. It's simply far more fleshed out than steampunk is which just seems to regurgitate Dickensian stories, only replacing what 19th century people genuinely thought was new, awe-inspiring tech with things WE would consider the very same.
>>344582128
>"raypunk"
wtf kind of retarded forced meme shit is that supposed to be
that's just standard sci fi nothing "punk" about it
>>344583256
It's called whatever people choose to call it. That's how language works.
>>344585219
that's it?
>>344582128
Cyberpunk and dieselpunk. Depends on my mood.
>>344582128
>Steampunk
>no dirigibles
But you include corsets?! It's like you don't even know steampunk.
Let me ask you this. If you were presented with a scene and the glaring element was either a corset (easily confused with a Victorian/Enlightenment theme) or dirigibles, how many people would accurately identify the genre?
Thought so.
>>344582128
Cyberpunk>Dieselpunk=Steampunk>Raypunk
>>344586459
There's a handful more, it depends on the media involved.
Usually steampunk deals with themes like antiquity, age, mythological embedding, tradition, and so on.
>>344586225
The biggest point of cyberpunk is the changes in ways we transfer, consume and value information. Those changes - well, they've happened. It's just less flashy and arguably less cool. We don't need decks to enter the bright neon matrix, we use phones to connect to various sites, to chat, buy, there are cyber crimes, governments all over the world are constantly pushing for more control, terrorists use social networks to organize and recruit. We use it to shitpost. It's pretty crazy stuff all around. High tech, low life - indeed it is. Then again, "high tech, low life" is just a realistic reversion of the older and more positive sci-fi story trends, where technology would make life better for everyone.
Cyber > Diesel >> Ray >>>>>>> Steam
Steampunk actually has some really interesting potential thematically. Unfortunately most of the people who like it are the "DUDE COGS LMAO" types.
>>344582128
>Raypunk
FUCK I remember this game where the whole thing was like an old 70s pulp sci-fi.
I forgot what it was called though.
What are some good dieselpunk games?
>>344583284
>tfw %90 of those things are now in your phone
>>344586775
Mad Max
Dark Void had a great "Raypunk" retro futurism aesthetic, great art, setting, music and ideas, verticality in a third person shooter, jetpack battles, great ideas
Too bad the gameplay that holds it all together is just so mediocre, and the art is muddled in brown and bloom UE3
>>344586843
Here's a question. Is Fallout 4Raypunk?
would it be possible to make a daytime cyberpunk game without breaking the aesthetic?
I always wondered how the cyberpunk worlds looked like in daytime.
Post-cyberpunk is where its at,
>>344582128
Whalepunk
>>344586521
it says airships dipshit
>>344587015
Mirrors Edge, I guess.
>>344585961
don't be playin me familia
>>344586997
It's shitpunk
>>344587015
Think darkness, smog, heavy pollution.
>>344585865
>>344585987
Yeah, it just has so much other themes and motifs going on it doesn't really feel steampunk, but if you want it's also the best representation of it. And it's definitely something-punk so why not.
>>344586775
When reading the description of dieselpunk I thought of The Pitt DLC for Fallout 3. Regardless of the rest of Fallout 3, I thought the theme and writing of The Pitt was done pretty well.
>>344586284
Nobody calls it raypunk though.
>>344587054
Oh-ho-ho You just played my trump card. That's like calling all cars volkswagens.
>tfw wanted to like Technomancer because cyberpunk
>couldn't overcome the fact it was a shitty, broken game
>>344582128
Cyberpunk has the slickest aesthetic, and would probably make the best setting for a game out of the lot. Dieselpunk would be a good second.if you had to live in one of the four, raypunk is better than the rest by a fucking mile
>>344586268
it's pretty much modern media made to deliberately ape the style of rocketeering sci-fi from the 40s and 50s
no one actually calls it that though
>>344584386
that Ghost in the Shell game for PS1
>>344587087
i fapped to that show so many times as a kid
>>344583256
>Cyberpunk
>Meaningful literature
>Try to read neuromancer
>Plot advancement and actual progression of anything is 3 lines sandwiched between paragraphs of descriptions of roombas and high tech chairs and shit
Cyberpunk literature is techno-masturbation.
>>344586578
I'd argue that cyberpunk is more than that. Sure, it's based on the advent of the information age but tackles issues that we've yet to face. The moral implications of AIs, human cloning, corporations taking control of society, human enhancement etc. What I'm asking is if steampunk offers anything genuinely new that can't already be dealt with in fiction about the actual victorian age and the industrialisation; the stories about people and society.
>>344582128
Cyberpunk is always good
Diselpunk is never done
Western Steampunk has forgetten what makes the genre good in the first place (they forgot the spirit of optomism, and dwindled only being into Tesla and handle bar mustaces)
Raypunk isn't the term its called Retrofuturism
>>344587435
>if you had to live in one of the four, raypunk is better than the rest by a fucking mile
My niggah
>>344587297
I saw this coming, yet I still replied
fucking airship autists, there can't be that many on /v/
>>344587569pleb
>>344582128
>Raypunk
Isn't that Atompunk?
modempunk, you casuals
>>344586843
>Pre - WW2
>Team up with Nikola Tesla in an alien world hidden inside the Bermuda triangle and retrofit alien technology such as jetpacks against them and their army of robots, to stop them supplying the Nazis the technology to win WW2
It's like somebody ripped off the Rocketeer and made it a videogame
![tos_2x13_thetroublewithtribbles0309-trekpulse[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3CRFrnR.jpg "tos 2x13 thetroublewithtribbles0309-trekpulse[1]")
>>344585743
raypunk is comfy as fuck though, them colors
>All these non-existant terms adding the word -punk at the end
Absolutely disgusting.
Raypunk=Dieselpunk>Cyberpunk>Redditpunk
Cyberpunk varies in quality wildly. You can have some good stuff, or you can have some absolute dogshit as cyberpunk tends to attract edgelords like banksy.
Dieselpunk is often plauged by people who just throw random car parts on something, but if that's the worst you can say about it...
Raypunk is so out of style, it's a breath of fresh air. I'd love to see it make more of a comback in media i'd be willing to consume.
Steampunk is so buried under fat girl used maxipads it'll need another 70 years before it'll be tolerable again. 100% M'lady.
>>344587782
that's just sci fi
>Dieselpunk
>post-apocalypse
I thought it was just a used, decaying world, not a dead, destroyed world?
>>344582128
>putting "punk" after everything
Literally why
Cyberpunk is the only one with any punk elements.
>no Desertpunk
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>>344587206
Medieval/Gothic/Fantasy/Steam/Citypunk?
Whatever it is it's good, if competently blended together you can do plenty of shit at once instead of pigeonholing yourself into one theme or artstyle or motif
>>344587724
Fuck you, go read this book and realize how fucking pleb your shit tastes are. I forgot, you don't like reading, you just like to throw technological words and adjectives into a blender and ejaculate to the product. Shove a chrome silicate handbreak up your ass you fucking cyberboo.
>>344587923
You are correct.
post-apocalyptic is its own genre without the punk attachment.
Diesel can be post-apocalyptic, but requires plenty of backstory explaining it.
OP's image is shit.
>>344583227
It's actually "raygun gothic". Shit like Flash Gordon
>No /v/-shitpostpunk
Loss.jpg
>tfw no shantypunk game where you play as a captain of a merchant vessel exploring the seas and searching for adventure
>tfw no shantypunk barmaid gf to bring you another pint as you and your crew sing your songs into the late hours of the night
why even live
Diesel?
>>344582128
>Steampunk
>Brass, coal
Ok, fine
>Airships
That's dieselpunk
>Corsets, gentry, goggles, parasols
What the fuck do those things have to do with Steampunk? I thought that steampunk was about, well, I don't know... FUCKING STEAM MACHINES? Steam machines which, by the way, the author of this retarded image seems to have forgotten.
I mean, if steampunk is defined by airships, corsets, gentry, goggles and parasols, then The Diamond Age is officially a steampunk novel. Spoiler:it isn't
>>344587716
>fucking airship autists
It's a fucking dirigible REEEEEEEEEE
THE BEST PUNK IS MOBAPUNK GRANDSTRATEGYPUNK IS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO SPREADSHEETS
FPSPUNK IS FOR THE CASUALS
BUT CINEMATICPUNK IS BEST
FIGHTINGPUNK IS TOO HARDCORE BUT AT LEAST RACINGPUNK IS GAINING GROUND CANT FORGET ABOUT MMOPUNKS AND MINECRAFTPUNK GAMES
>>344588153
There is, it's calledLovecraftian
>>344585970
cyberpunk is more of a satite or hypebole of contemporary technocracy and bureaucracy than just a straight modern setting.
Stuff like social divide, cultural degeneration and moral ambiguity are common themes too.
>Xpunk
LET THE MEME DIE
>>344588162
>Airships are diesel
They are technically both with larger ones leaning to diesel, more personally sized ones leaning steam.
As for the last bit, Steampunk because "normalized" and associated with those things.
Cosplayfags mostly.
I'd pretty much go with Ray- and Cyberpunk. There has been some excellent work in cyberpunk, but not lately in the former (I've gotta think back to Timesplitters and its Planet X and Ufopia levels for that.)
Steam punk can be decent, though there are issues with it that I find that were already mentioned in the thread.
Oh, and aside from Mad Max and New Vegas, fuck post apocalyptic settings.
is the defining nature of a '...punk' genre a dystopian form of whatever theme it is?
>>344588237
>Minecraftpunk
It's survivalpunk you autist.
![Final-Fantasy-VII-Set-4-final-fantasy-78725_1024_768[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q7DkSlb.jpg "Final-Fantasy-VII-Set-4-final-fantasy-78725 1024 768[1]")
Is FF7 diesel punk?
>>344588412
No just stupid shits adding the word punk to anything and think it makes it an actual world.
Bunch of stupid shits in this thread.
>>344582128
>Raypunk.
>Not Raygun Gothica.
It's like you faggots never wanted Vampire Hunter D.
>>344588412
Yes
>>344588478
It's not far from it, maybe could be a caricature of dieselpunk. The term is applied liberally.
>>344582128
>punk
>shit words made up by autists
in the real world, we call all of those things science fiction.
>>344588583
I'm sure you work 9 to 5 and eat ham and eggs for breakfast.
>>344582128
im pretty sure steampunk and dieselpunk are one in the same.
>>344587569
>paragraphs of descriptions of roombas and high tech chairs and shit
It's great, isn't it?
>>344587594
Ehhh, cloning and AIs are, well, cloning and AIs. Can't remember a good piece about clones on top of my head, but I, Robot (obviously) and some Lem's stuff deals with AIs and it's not cyberpunk by any stretch of imagination.
>if steampunk offers anything genuinely new
It probably doesn't, I mean the seminal novel is The Difference Engine and IIRC it's basically "what if Babbige's toy actually worked well for us and we entered information age even earlier". But again, the problems cyberpunk discusses nowadays can be covered by general distopian fiction and sci-fi, IMO. In the end, both are nice aesthetics - though cyberpunk was predictive once.
>>344588156
Whale fat was basically diesel, so yes.
>>344588365
>social divide, cultural degeneration and moral ambiguity
Sooo... a straight modern setting?
Sure, we haven't went full Neuromancer, but the modern day is pretty much what was shown in the early cyberpunk novels. Yes, cyberpunk is a hyperbole, but it made the right predictions.
what would you call the equivalent of a modernpunk, or something present day but... punk?
>>344587847
old star trek is pretty raypunk
>>344587015
I'd imagine they'd probably go with a surreal and artificial facade for the environment, in order to distract people by creating an illusion of utopia
>>344588412
Cyberpunk was the first, and it made sense because it combined Cyber (I.E. high-tech, futuristic, etc) with Punk (that fashion movement from the 80s-90s.)
Then Steampunk got invented, and they used the name because they thought it sounded cool, and was a reference to the extremely popular Cyberpunk genera. It also did the same thing by imagining a world of high technology, but in the past instead of the future.
Then, people who didn't want to associate themselves with steampunk and wanted to be special snowflakes invented everything else, again sticking the punk on just because.
>>344582128
>steampunk
>does not mention steam once
What would fallout be closest to? Dieselpunk?
>>344582128
adding punk to a noun doesnt make a new genre.
what other cyberpunk games have sexbots in them?
>>344588989
Retro futurism
cyberpunk assuming you mean from games that actually exist
I have a fetish for diving suits and shit but never really felt a steampunk urge.
>>344588819
That's a bit like saying Verne's novels were pretty steampunk - it doesn't make sense. Neither Verne nor Roddenberry were aiming for a special aesthetic - they just made stories about what seemed futuristic at the time.
>>344589206
Well, if you retrofit Verne etc. to be steampunk, then it was pretty predictive as well, at least about the tech parts, not social issues.
>>344588989
gaypunk
I, being a gentleman of distinguished taste, seem to particularly enjoy a setting in which young people who are unsatisfied with society perform simple rock music and drink high-proof alcohol. I believe it's called punkpunk.
>>344586997
of course not.
>>344589031
All the ones that make sense, and most of the ones that don't.
>>344589703
Do they travel via phoneboxes?
Are they excellent to one another?
>>344582128
Biopunk
>>344583284
>tfw the newsstands keep fucking hiding 2600
IT'S NEVER EVEN OUT ON TIME ANYWAY
STOP HIDING IT BEHIND FUCKING BULKHEAD SLABMEAT MUSCLE MAG OR WHATEVER THE FUCK
>>344584730
One of the only good examples. The industrial revolution, the conflict between tech and magic...such a great atmosphere.
And the steampunk wasn't over the top. There was one airship in the game, a couple of gliders and they all crash and burn. Steam locomotives are a thing but they're chewing up the countryside. The most steampunkish things were some tesla coils and that top hat that created a magnetic fieldwhich was patrician as fuck.
Cyberpunk
>>344583075
Get your well formed opinion out of here.
>>344586997
Post apocalyptic Cyberpunk
What punk would a setting where there are only robots and beings made of mechanical parts?
Mechpunk?
Wizardpunk
>>344582128
I dislike the use of those terms, but dieselpunk is best of the four.
Cyberpunk is the only real genre.
>>344582128
raypunk is an interestingly special snowflake way of saying scifi
>>344590081
Yes, I believe so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCuE5rHbPA
Diesel punk+cowboy weapons.
Fucking cowboy MMO/RPG when?
>>344590441
I kind of wanted to write a story about that. It would be about a Japan that closed its ports once more. With the rise of waifu bots, their birth rate would eventually hit 0%. A century later, only the machines are left to inherit the country, forming a sterile utopia that still maintained Japan's extensive xenophobia.
What do you call a genre in which punks are used for everything?
Punkpunk?
>>344589031
>Dorothy
someone watched Big O
Good games that are diesel punk? Want to play some dark tower shit
>>344582128
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>>344583256
Are you fucking retarded all of them are Punk because all of them are stoires depicting individuals and social groups trying to adapt their culture/assets/iinfuence, to survive and prosper in a future-shocked society.
Which by consequence means that any speculative narrative based on contemporary disruptive technologies will inevitably become retro-futuristic.
Cyberpunk came into existence in an era rith with disruptive technologies- THE 1980's
Cyberpunk IS retro, Deus ex was celebrating it's sweet sixteen last month.
Neuromancer is already 30yrs old.
Realising what cyberpunk was actually about William Gibson and Bruce Stirling wrote "The difference engine", the algorithm was left unchanged only that time the data it was fed was no longer 1980's western society.
Good by mega corps hello robber barons!!
>>344593831
Are you fucking retarded >>344583256
dunkpunk - society is based around basketball
>a mix of dieselpunk and steampunk
Would it be good /v/?
>inb4 steampunk is fedora tier
>>344588063
>guy shit talks Neuromancer
>then recommends terminal world
Holy shit you can't be serious
>>344593831
There's very little steampunk that's actually "punk". Most of it is better described as gaslight fantasy.
Genre was permanently ruined when it went from "a couple books, tv shows, and tabletop rpgs" to "goths gluing gears to top hats."
And Raypunk is just people renaming pulp to try and fit in with cyberpunk.
>>344594180
A mix of engines that use steam and diesel/oil?
>>344594180
Isn't that just Mad Max?
>>344582128
Cyberpunk has both the greatest works and greatest potential, so closely is it linked to modern society.
The rest are kinda novelties. Aesthetics only.
Dieselpunk and Cyberpunk are extremely close, but are definitely better than the other two, but I've never even heard of raypunk outside of maybe like once or twice.
>>344582128
all mediocre
who else here /victorian/
>>344594686
kinda
>>344594180
Already exists>>344588156
It has oil, trams and guns--diesel
It has swords and no cars yet--steam
nobody in this thread understands cyberpunk, particularly OP
>>344595304
didn't know you shitpost on 4chan, William
pls write more articles for Wired or something, I like your style.
>>344595304
Cyberpunk doesn't have to be punk. The likes of Blade Runner are hardly punk at all. It's just contemporary sci-fi that tends to focus on darker elements.
>>344582128
biopunk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEE4yZgphFk
>>344595862
Does "punk" really need to be a suffix for every aesthetic?
>>344594445
/v/ has made your inner complacent contrarian lethargic faggot blossom into a modempunk, watch as you enjoy the tech race drag you into the future by the ankles of your codeine/adderall pumped body, watch as you shitpost about VR while editing metapost ironic memes referencing a past generation nostalgia for a show that existed before them.
The Modempunk is numbed by the future, the modempunk looks at the world and sees a cyberpunk novel.
NO>>344594686
FUCK NO>>344594924
It's post-apocalytic, economic colapse to be more precise.
>>344590441
what film is that?
>>344582128
The one with android prostitutes and smoggy neon-lit urban hellholes set in the distant future of 1997.
I like settings where it's pretty much all sky.
Floating islands, airships, usually some bullshit magic resource.
Stuff like Last Exile, Skies of Arcadia, Stories: The Path of Destinies. Shit like that.
>>344585526
So is Mad Max considered dieselpunk?
>>344597972
>last exile went to shit in the second season
Why must all good in this world die?
>>344584264
you can't relate a whole realist subculture to a stupid anime drawing alright my dear fat piece of shit anon?
Please consider that there are some serious people here either who doesn't give a shit about your childish imaginations and forced fantasies.
>>344584386
VTM:Bloodlines
>>344582128
>Raypunk
Didn't even know this was a thing...
>>344588989
Ray gun gothic, or atompunk.
Fallout is a cynical deconstruction of the deluded scifi of the more conservative 1940-60's that believed that society would remain in cultural stasis forever or evolve into some silly idealised utopia.
In the Fallout of universe american society culturally froze and remained unchanged right up untill the bombs droped in 2070
>>344598627
fallout 1 and 2
energy weapons, radiated giant animals, mutants, ayys cold war red scare culture etc etc
>>344598337
I still haven't watched it, just a few of the episodes at the beginning.
It seemed kind of the same, but with more girls and piracy.
A bit worried about going back to it.
>>344598783
>In the Fallout of universe american society culturally froze and remained unchanged
That's not exactly true, really. Fallout society had pretty different social norms, it was less racist and sexist really, but also much more of a fucking shithole. The visual style is lifted from the 50s sci-fi, at least partially, but the society was pretty different.
>>344582128
Name one thing that's diesel-punk because that sounds a million times better than the rest.
i like the "go fuck yourself" punk most of all
>>344582128
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
>>344599692
i forgot they stoped hating and started loving the negroes
>>344582128
raypunk has never had a good video game and i would fucking kill for one.
It doesn't make sense to call something "-punk" if it doesn't have any "punk" themes in it (rebellion, anti-authority, anti-corporation, etc.).
Also, I'm pretty sure "Dieselpunk," "Raypunk," and "Biopunk" settings/themes don't apply to enough works to count as actual genres.
>>344587087
Barbarela did it first but Flash did it best.
Cowpunk
>>344582128
everything but the shitty fucking fedoratipping meme tier steampunk
>>344600561
Fallout classic, and fuck you if if your a graphics whore.
>>344600583
Yeah, people have been agreeing with you since the 1990s.
Nobody has contested the term, despite Cyberpunk owing its entirety to detective fiction and noir and hardly an ounce to punk, since it's regarded as the best promotional campaign for science fiction works.
>>344585780
Bioshock is Decopunk.
>>344600971
>decopunk
>dieselpunk
>steampunk
>all slight variations on the same theme of hyper-advanced old-timey culture which the fans insist is completely fucking different
Christ it's like I'm browing heavy metal genres.
>>344587435
>no one actually calls it that though
that was my point
>>344582591
Guns of Icarus is alright
>>344601087
yeah raypunk is just 60s sci fi theme
>>344582224
/thread
>>344601575
Raypunk is different.
I mean it's debatable whether or not it's a genre at all, but still it's those three in particular that I am picking on.
>>344601436
I just want guns of icarus except with 40 player ships. This "our sky pirates fly tiny gunboats with no crew quarters or munitions storage" shit is infuriating.
>>344601701
nigga it's hard enough to manage 3 people flying a tiny ship, managing 40 people flying a gigantic fucking cruiser and you'd be more often than not at the mercy of a shit captain or an underageb& crew
>>344601575
And Cyberpunk is just 80's sci fi themed
>>344601693
how is it different
>>344586085
This. Mostly I just like the airship feel.
>>344582128
diesel punk is boring
steampunk is always garbage and hipstershit
raypunk is interesting but so fucking cheesy
cyberpunk is just perfect
>>344601846
>5 people standing right behind the captain whining that he's a shit pilot and should let them drive
>3 communications officers who spend the whole time rping
>10 marines hip firing enemy ships 3km away
>guy on the biggest battery is afk
I'd still play it.
>>344601989
Because it's the idea of deliberately aping 60-80s sci-fi, and not hyper-advanced victorian or turn-of-the-century culture like the other three examples.
The only real point of contention here is why they keep stapling "punk" onto fucking everything.
Steampunk, Dieselpunk, Decopunk, Biopunk, Raypunk, Solarpunk, Nanopunk, Cypherpunk, Cyberpunk, and those are just the ones with wikipedia articles. It's fucking ridiculous.
>>344584386
Mirror's Edge
It's cyberpunk in everything but aesthetic.
What type of punk is this?
Canals + smokestacks + brick factories
>>344602909
that's not punk nigga, that's just victorian-era London
>>344582128
steampunk is terrible meme tier
dieselpunk is steampunk but even worse
raypunk is 60 years too late
cyberpunk is the only actually good thing here
these words are facts and cannot be disputed
>>344602538
Mirror's edge is the lightest form of cyberpunk I can think of, it barely qualifies.
>>344602909
Industrial.
Staple punk onto that and I'm going to track you down and fuck your sister.
>>344603002
Is the aesthetic utilized by steampunk or dieselpunk?
>>344603142
Steampunk is what the Victorians considered sci-fi.
I don't even know how to fucking describe dieselpunk.
>>344597843
I love 1997, back then i was a happy litttle retard watching 90's spiderman, blue peter and the chucle brothers like all 7yr olds.
>>344603092
Cyberpunk has the advantage of being the only one that's a real genre of fiction, and not just a cosmetic reskin of the setting.
>>344603142
Both. Dieselpunk is just Steampunk for people who like Steampunk but hate the crowd, coming up with arbitrary definitions to "reject the label".
How long will it take to come full circle and /v/ will claim it hates cyberpunk and loves steampunk?
>>344602909
Lowell is prett yfucking terrible
>>344603432
about as long as it takes for fags to forget about steampunk and latch on to cyberpunk
>>344582128
Steam, I find it really interesting.
nerfpunk is best punk
>>344603432
Cyberpunk never stopped being cool. Beneath a Steel Sky was cool in 1994. And Shadowrun: Dragonfall was cool in 2014. That's twenty years of non-stop cool.
>>344582128
Thematically speaking, Cyberpunk is the richer well-thought out world.
Aesthetically speaking, Raypunk is fucking beautiful, I just love how it looks.
Structually speaking, Dieselpunk has a lot of content for interesting stories that aren't just about fighting the system.
Steampunk has just cosplay and some art going for it.
>>344603673
Is the joke that steampunk cosplays always use nerf guns with shitty paintjobs?
>>344586124
see Undertale, Jazzpunk, Goat Simulator, etc...
>>344601087
>dieselpunk
Al capone using a power armor powered by a combustion engine that runs on gasoline, to rob a bank.
>steampunk
Sherlock holmes realised that he was not talking to ghost because he deduced that he was kidnaped, and drugged then hooked up to a steam calculator that simulated dreams.
>>344586741
Tower of Monsters? Its the only Raypunk game I can think of.
>>344604441
No, since steampunk easily gets just as absurd and delineating genres based on the fucking fuel source used in the fictional constructs within is by far the most fucking retarded thing I've seen all day.
Dieselpunk fans and apologists are pathetic. You're just holier-than-thou Steampunk.
I like biopunk and solarpunk.
Solarpunk in particular tickles my fancy. There's something about clean, harmonious locales that I like. Especially if it hides something really, really fucked up beneath. There's very few examples of it though.
I don't know how the style is called, but something akin to portal 1 and 2 I really liked. "Apple"punk or something, sleek, white, organic curves. Again, not many examples, but I crave that shit.
Atompunk/Cyberpunk a best, a cute!
>Atompunk (sometimes called "atomicpunk") relates to the pre-digital short twentieth century, specifically the period of 1945–1965, including mid-century Modernism, the Atomic Age, Jet Age and Space Age, Communism and concern about it exaggerated as paranoia in the USA.
Cyberpunk > Raypunk >>> Dieselpunk >>>>> Steampunk
What are examples of Raypunk? are there any Raypunk games? I've never heard of it before.
>>344604902
>>344604972
Solarpunk? Atompunk? It's a matter of time until Punkpunk becomes a thing.
You're all a bunch of punk-ass motherfuckers.
>>344604127
It has to be..
>>344598292
Mad Max is just post-apocalyptic in the same style as Fallout.
>>344603432
Steampunk would have to start dripping more sexy scandalous vice and overall aesthetic coolness to ever pull that off. It never will.
Steampunk is and always will be a mistake.
>>344604773
did you put the meme text on that image yourself?
>>344605087
>are there any Raypunk games?
Duck Dodgers.
>>344605094
That's why I posted /Cyberpunk, because it is still considered Cyberpunk, and I consider it too.
Calm your turbo autism.
>>344605087
It was invented by OP for this thread.
>>344605094
Considering most Xpunk is based upon the main power source of the society it's no surprise they'd be punks of every known power source.
Hell, dishonored was whalepunk for instance. Although I haven't seen a whole lot of stuff that could be considered "Geopunk" or "Windpunk".
>>344605242
Nah, Fallout is >>344604972
Mad Max is Dieselpunk.
>>344582128
Dieselpunk and raypunk?
I'v actually never heard of these.
Are there any books games or movies that use them?
>>344582128
Why are there no Raypunk games?
>>344582591
>and steampunk is just garbage
Man, you're lucky you added that on. I was just telling my friends about how you don't fit in here at /v/ and all my friends were agreeing with me until we saw that you hate steampunk. Welcome to the club, pal.
Oh, and before anyone asks, I also hate steampunk. I hate steampunk so much that I literally wanna cuck it in the ass.
>>344603258
wolfenstein the new order?
OP image is shit, too much overlap between Cyber and Diesel.
All the best Cyberpunk are post post-apocalypse. Go watch Bladerunner or Dredd.
Cyberpunk > Dieselpunk >= Raypunk >>>>>>> steampunk
Steampunk fuckingtriggersme for some reason.
>Raypunk
That's just Sci-fi in the early 60's - late 70's. Also, jet-packs can be added to Steampunk too.
>>344605961
How is there overlap between cyber and diesel in the OP?
>>344585214
Would STALKER fit the dieselpunk up to a point?
>>344605346
>Duck Dodgers
FUCK YOU THAT GAME PISSED ME OFF SO MUCH
>>344605807
Upset top hat tipper detected.
Steampunk-chan is worst girl, famalambo. Just accept that your subgenre waifu a shit.
>>344605608
>Mad Max is Dieselpunk.
end this meme. Fucking Wolfenstein TNO is Dieselpunk. Not Mad Max which practically invented post-apocalyptic.
So the only dieselpunk game is Mad Max? What are we even discussing then.
I think we can all agree Steampunk is the worst.
For some reason it attracts the most awful people.
Steampunk in principle
Cyberpunk in reality.
Steampunk is never used for any cool shit like animatronic titans or dragons and magitech but instead it's an excuse for faggots to glue gears and clocks onto clothes and nerf guns.
>>344604592
>absurd and delineating genres based on the fucking fuel source
No you stupid autist, it's the fantasised potential for change a plausible (or real) disruptive technology or scientific paradigm has on society at a certain point in history.
THATS WHAT DELINEATES THE FUCKING GENRES
>>344601087
>Decopunk
Art-Deco, skyscrapers, monorails, electricity, early 20th century. Think Metropolis, Objectivism, Bioshock, Batman: The Animated Series.
>Diselpunk
Gas gushers, gear heads, "Spruce Goose" type vehicles, Interwar or post-apocalyptic settings. Think Mad Max, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, Crimson Skies.
>Steampunk
Originally a "what if the information revolution started in the Victorian Era if the Difference Engine was actually completed" type deal, but has since been expanded to pretty much put all alternative fiction and steam era based fantasy under one hat, usually one that's inspired by Jules Verne and Edgar Allan Poe type science fiction.
>>344605087
fallout classic
>>344606740
Elaborate, please.
Every aspect of the three movies points to be Dieselpunk.
>>344606916
Cyberpunk attracts said type of faggot as well, it's just that it's more widely represented, thus it's easier to ignore the bad.
>>344607248
deco punk and dieselpunk are about the same era so there is gonna be alot of overlap, personally i think decopunk is a bullshit term.
>>344607294
>2077 is it's release date.
>>344586997
Yes.
>>344607573
The main difference is that diselpunk usually draws on elements from mid to even late 20th century for its emphasis on vehicular mayhem, while decopunk focuses on earlier 20th century architecture, art and attitudes that don't stretch much beyond the 30s or 40s and is usually less "pulp".
Though the two might overlap, I'd say there's generally enough difference for them to stay as separate terms. Mad Max for example has nothing to do with Art Deco.
>>344606916
Prudish anglophilic gaslamp fantasy trash attracting mooing mobs of shallow teaboo cosplayers is no mystery, anon.
personally like cyberpunk...hack the planet!
I think raypunk is just retro sci-fi, from the looks of it.
steampunk would have potential if someone put care into making a world with victorian era astetics and care in detail, not just 'lol everything runs on clockwork magic and is made of brass'. dishonored gave me that vibe but I don't think its supposed to be steampunk.
Dieselpunk is too underrated. There aren't any games about being a gunslinging biker on an anarchist frontier.
Cyberpunk because if System Shock and System Shock 2.
How the fuck has SS not been mentioned a SINGLE time in this thread?
MY FAVORITE PUNK IS GIEGER/BEKSINSKI ELDRICHHORRORPUNK.
IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN MULTIDIMENSIONAL CELESTIAL DREAMPUNK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEE4yZgphFk
YOU'VE PROBABLY NEVER HEARD OF IT BECAUSE IM SO MUCH SMARTER AND CULTURED THAN YOU AND YOU'RE ALL FUCKIN STUPID.
Stonepunk
>>344582128
Cyber
>>344608658
You mean Lovecraftian horror/cosmic horror/Cosmicism, a subgenre of Weird fiction.
>>344607405
I'm sure it does, but I really don't think it's as infested with it as Steampunk is.
Like I rarely see "cyberpunk meetups" or "cyberpunk parades" like Steampunkers seem to have, the interest is more in the nuance and the setting, not the aesthetic and the general idea of "look we're old but we're not xD." Not that the aesthetic of Cyberpunk can't be engaging, as well. Someone earlier mentioned that Cyberpunk is the only one that really can be called a subgenre out of all of them, the rest are all more based around looks, with Steampunk probably being the least developed of them all.
>>344608197
Hey if they wanna be Anglophiles more power to them, it's just that the way they go about it is so romanticised and exaggerated.
I mean I get it, le Victorians and le British, but there's more genuinely interesting shit to look into from that era without the weird Look I Watch Doctor Who lens.
>>344582128
Dieselpunk
anyone know any good dieselpunk games?
>>344609041
Pic related is a Cyberpunk meetup.
And here's a parade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOs2EM9MGnI
Faggot's gonna fag, no matter what you like.
>>344585015
>what is armored core
>>344608642
Discussing SS would mean having to betray an unhealthy desire for a godlike and flawless SHODAN to come bully me into total submission.
>>344605087
Star Trek: The Shovelware
Early Fallouts are somewhat Raypunk-y
TF2, but it's more Spytech.
>>344609496
A mech game?
I love both Cyberpunk and Mechs, but I find that the later out shadows the former, even when there are Cyberpunk elements because how brash Mecha fictions tends to be out of necessity, as opposed to the noirish, brooding qualities of hight tech/low life pessimism inherent to Cyberpunk fiction.
>>344582128
>raypunk
>dieselpunk
Is this a new meme? When did these meme punks come about?
Not a fan of keeping up with all these new memes I miss old memes
>>344587569
>Read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
>Every little thing is a tiny subplot touching upon some small theme
>Even tiny things like his conversation with his wife
>Technology facilitates the thought in these and is only described in so far to let it help you gain a deeper understanding
No but you are the expert because you read part of one book.
>>344608061
diselpunk usually draws on elements from mid to even late 20th century for its emphasis on vehicular mayhem.
You define the genres by their aesthetic?
That's funny because i don't, i define them by their point of historical divergence.
>>344587847
>Retards will now rename science fiction because they cannot comprehend that at the time of creation there was nothing retro about the shit they were making up and they were just speculating the future based off current technology like we do now
>>344609871
I hate books so much fucking boring text that's why I prefer vidya you get the text as well as the graphics.
Much more engaging if they're anime graphics but the point still stands
>>344584537/thread
>>344609578
a want a robot to bully me
>>344588115
This.
Rayguns, rocket ships that look like submarines on the inside, Mad Scientists and their doomsday weapons, damsels in distress, alien cultures going as improbable as being found on Venus and Mars or even the Moon, humanity fuck yeah. Modern stories that draw from late 19th century to mid 20th century pulp space operas or Swords & Sandals in Space.
>>344609920
>You define the genres by their aesthetic?
Only in part and when that is appropriate.
>historical divergence
The volume density of the outward flux of a vector field from an infinitesimal volume around a given point, historically?
Cyberpunk has some of the greatest movies and videogames of all time.
Steampunk has... Arcanum?
The other have nothing
Whatever kind of Punk Tales of Alethrion is supposed to be.
>>344582128
My order is
>Good Cyberpunk
>Dieselpunk
>Really good Steampunk
>Bad Cyberpunk
>most steampunk
>Raypunk
I don't think Raypunk is bad, I just don't like the aesthetic at all.
>>344586268
>>344586124
:^)
Nep-Nep confirmed for Memepunk!
>>344582128
I'll take one of each of them, but hold the punk.
>>344583186
I'd call it Samurai-Cyberpunk (tm) to be quite frankly honest with you famalan
>>344610671
I'd play a meme punk game honestly.
I should make that game.
cyberpunk is the one with an actual thematic backbone beyond "dude aesthetic lmao"
>>344609871
I've read part of that book as well. Same shit as I described, in your attempt to disprove it you state the exact same thing. Good job.
why is the word punk involved in any way? there's nothing punk about any of it. i do like futuristic shit though. going with bladerunner on this one.
>>344609578
So you'd play a visual novel where a feminized AI constructs used to being in control and even told it's "beyond human" gets all loopy and tsundere for the protagonist with disastrous results?
Because I've been toying with the idea of making something like that. Beyond the sexual and the anime tropes, it might be interesting to explore how a sentient machine would yearn for and then treat a "lesser" being, and how it might or might not work out.
>>344582128
Cyberpunk but far far into it. Like 5th element tier cities with smog cloaking the ground.
>>344611041
Anything with -punk means that it essentially shares the same themes with anything else that shares the suffix.
Either they all have substance or none of them do.
>>344610516
>>344610516
>The volume density of the outward flux of a vector field from an infinitesimal volume around a given point, historically?
YES
As long as it's very close to that historical point if it's real.
If not then it just needs to resemble it alot.
>>344582128
Biopunk, the idea of genetic evolution and organic steroids. People who everyone to adapt vs purists. Essentially the controversy on Stem cell research on steroids. Brings up the question of how much people should be allowed to alter genetics, and hell copyright too since apparently you can copyright genes already.
Besides cyberpunk is a tad bit of a dated concept since we already live in one, Biopunk is a tad bit more futuristic. Except I don't think "punk" really suits it, since the battle won't be between a punk of losers and the government as much as religion vs corporation.
>>344583305
>>344584537
>>344590201
>>344595862
>>344604902
You guys got it right.
>>344611305
HDR photography that doesn't look artificial? How is this possible?
>>344588153
Sea of Thieves has been confirmed to let you have instruments and play shanties with your piratebros.
>>344611078
No you haven't. In fact, calling Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep Cyberpunk wouldn't be describing it correctly. It influenced the genre, was "thematically" adapted into Blade Runner which was massively influential on the genre, but putting it under the same hat as the Sprawl Trilogy or Ghost In The Shell is sort of like lumping the Foundation Trilogy with the Flash Gordon serials.
PKD's work was New Wave science fiction, much broader and philosophical in scope than Cyberpunk tends to be, less interested with the technological side of things, more with big ideas.
>>344585214
I thought Dishonered was whalepunk- it isn't so coggy and focuses more on a fishing village aspect
>>344611458
What are some Biopunk games?
I have no mouth is probably the closest I can think of or prototype
>>344611140
A physically unimpressive specimen of humanity having the inadequate capabilities of their puny flesh and mind constantly sneered at by an omnipresent A.I. bully with a crush is my fetish.
>>344612105
Bioshock seems like a pretty obvious example
>>344582128
Cyberpunk and Steampunk are the only real ones on that list.
With that said, Cyberpunk.
Dieselpunk and atompunk.
But the most I like are retrofuturism in the 80' and 90'
>>344611669
You are fine with liking those those two books. But you are spending a lot of time reading about circuits and various electronic devices or AI. So much so that it obscures the story. You can enjoy getting off to the detail, setting and environment of cyberpunk but don't pretend like it's some great original work. My original point is, if you follow the reply chain, exactly that. I was using Neuromancer as an example.
You aren't convincing me Cyberpunk is the best by just pointing to the literature.
>>344612105
it's a meme genre like dieselpunk
>>344612883
I'm not the anon you started arguing with, I was just calling bullshit of someone implying Do Androids Dream... is a Cyberpunk novel, written before that term was coined, concerning itself more with asking questions about the nature of empathy, humanity and reality, rather than offering high tech/low life noir inn a near megacorporation dominated future setting.
Postcyberpunk > Cyberpunk
It's the genre grown up, out of its 80s trappings.
>>344613630
Okay
What is the difference between Postcyberpunk and normal cyberpunk?
Cyberpunk with a Steampunk aesthetic
>>344613768
One is just normal cyberpunk and the other one is a meme
Cyberpunk mixed with Atompunk
>>344613768
Not him, but in a nutshell:
Cyberpunk - working against "the system" to accomplish something
Post-cyberpunk - working through "the system"
>>344613896
>>344613960
Steam atom punk with cyber aesthetic
>>344614014
Post cyberpunk sounds more interesting, feels like the "going against the system" shit has been done to death.
Actually working through it to achieve something sounds good
>>344582128
All of them are great except Steampunk, especially cyberpunk. When I think Steampunk, I think of attention whore cosplayers and Reddit.
>>344582128
Cyberpunk, Steampunk would be my choice but no one does anything interesting with it besides slapping a bunch of gears on normal weapons and vechicals
>>344582128
>Cyberpunk
Pretty cool, but I normally end up being a villain in these settings, because I don't consider robots human, and think augments and genetic alteration are unethical.
>Dieselpunk
Hate it hate it hate it. Fuck this shit.
>Steampunk
Overrated as fuck. Only good thing about this setting is airships and cool cityscapes.
>Raypunk
I've never even heard of this name, but I love this setting.
>>344586124
I believe they call it "Vaporwave Aesthetic", IE: >>344587736
>>344615367I listened to vaporware music yesterday.
It was okay
>>344615367
>go to robot threads in /aco/ and /trash/
>people get offended when I say that I love robots, but never think of them as anything other than tools
Even in this small fetish niche, I still feel like the odd one out.
>>344597972
You ever play the old game Project Nomads? Your home base and primary method of attacking was a floating island.
I had the demo for it back when I was a kid and I played it like a billion times.
>>344583868
Post punk, you say?
>cyberpunk
I bet half of you have never even touched an oblidisk. Seriously I saw someone today recommending a beginner to use D7-A algorithms to measure his boson interference. D7-A ALGORITHMS! We need to start banning people that don't know what they're talking about. This community is going to stay below Yalgeth's limit unless we actually get some experts in here. Some people are using VX3's and trying to say that they can get equivalent deltas to a VX5 or 6. HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE FERROCORES? Honestly, it seems like no one here knows about quantum intertevlon theory and its applications to flux flow.
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