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Everyone is a fucking idiot but me edition
>>344549505
Game is perfect, if you disagree you are a shitposter
Also make more memes because actual discussion is not allowed
>>344549782
Where is Kyle tho?
>>344549782
So what so you think these threads should be, smartass?
Do you think these stupid arguments are better than people making OC and actually having fun with it? ffs it's just people regurgitating the same shit over and over and fucking over about mind hacks and the dropped plot threads. It's nauseating to read and it's not going to change what we got. "Actual discussion" my fucking ass at least nobody making memes is lying to themselves about it being a circlejerk
This board is so fucking negative and never does anything but whine and bitch and complain to feel superior and for a few days these were a really fun way to get over the absurdity and disappointment with the game but apparently you're all intent on ruining that too
I'm sorry if I'm too stupid to understand but since Delta does not have SHIFT abilities, how is he in timelines where Sigma and Diana didn't fuck?
>>344549858
Kyle was the security guard that approved Sigma/Phi/Akane's entry into Dcom. When she said he was essential to their infiltration she wasn't lying.
Thank you for playing life is simply unfair
>>344549965
>ffs it's just people regurgitating the same shit over and over
oh, you mean just like all the "hilarious" memes? you can leave if you don't like it
>>344550075
Every timeline ZTD uses is a branching off of the timeline where Delta was born. Doesn't matter if they actually banged in that specific timeline or not.
Same reason TWO CARLOS is a thing. Carlos teleported ten months back, before the Decision Game started creating all the alternate timelines we use, so he's technically in all of them
>>344550075
Because he was sent back in time to 1904. Every ending in ZTD contained Delta since then.
>>344550075
Magical ayylien tech
>>344550263
>TWO CARLOS
Please explain.
>>344550195
>oh, you mean just like all the "hilarious" memes?
The absolute lowest effort memes are ten times more original than anyone bitching about the game itself like we didn't all play the same thing
Feel free to leave if other people finding something funny bothers you that much though
>>344550451
>Carlos teleports back ten months to save Akane and Junpei in that one timeline but doesn't bother actually stopping Zero
>Every timeline branches off from the coinflip and he arrived long before that
>There is now a second Carlos in every timeline that the game never acknowledges or mentions again
>>344550476
you are the one whining because people don't act like you want, so you should leave because you clearly lack the maturity to be around other people
>>344550605
What if that Carlos ended up SHIFTing into current Carlos?
>>344550786
Does it matter? They would keep exchanging consciousness.
>>344550749
And you're the one clearly pissy enough to drag it into a second thread so maybe it should be you if you can't go that long without yelling at someone
It's ok Anon one day you'll graduate high school and you'll understand
If Delta MINDHACK'D an esper just as they were about to SHIFT would he be able to control where/who they SHIFTed into?
reminder that Foxy Grandpa is best incarnation of Junpei
>>344551094
Maybe.
If the game was played from Maria's perspective as she is accessing the Morphogenic Field to help everyone, that would have made it a billion times better.
>>344551080
I just posted it to make faggots like you complain, maybe one day you will grow a brain and understand too
>>344551220
I expected Junpei to become like Tenmyouji over the course of 45 years, interesting that he turned into an asshole over the course of one year and then probably mellowed out once he found some level of meaning and happiness in Quark.
>>344551220
Despite all the shit he talks he still went crawling back as soon as Akane was mentioned.
ZTD Junpei is the best and that's why he gets the best ending of being paired with Akane's delicious rump.
it feels like the game was half as long as VLR and maybe 999 (depending on how much of that game's content you go through), which is a shame because it could have used more endings and developemnt for characters
>>344550605
>>Carlos teleports back ten months
so Delta kept the transporter in some room without anyone controlling it even if it could receive something at any moment?
>>344551325
The only perspective that would have made the game better is if we were playing someone who was viewing events through the Quantum Computer, because the camera shit would have made sense.
>>344551220
He's the same shit as always just replace AKANE with QUARKU
>>344550605
>Carlos knows how to effectively use the transporter after a brief explanation
>Old Sigma, the guy who created robots and all the mechanical stuff from VLR, randomly selects a place on the timeline because he doesn't understand how it works AFTER BEING IN THE ESCAPE ROOM THAT EXPLAINED IT
why was Sigma such a blockhead in ZTD?
>>344551628
But you are the Qauntum Computer
i've seen people say that 999's puzzle were the best but honestly i found them to be piss easy even when i played it years ago. i struggled way more with VLR (and to a lesser extent ZTD)
i also hated how the game constantly killed the pacing when they decided to go into an exposition dump mid puzzle, the other two in the series at least have the courtesy of doing it in the downtime between puzzles
>>344551456
>old Akane didn't shift
>old Junpei told her to fuck off
VLR had the best ending.
>>344551740
Apparently Diana and Akane did most of the work on the moon base and old Sigma was just fucking around.
I've decided that I can forgive a lot of the game's flaws because I still enjoyed it
but I still think Delta's character is retarded as hell
>>344551829
Old Junpei didn't even have the balls to talk to Akane before taking his little shota boytoy and leaving.
>>344551879
>Sigma spent 42 building a sexbot while Akane did all the work
That explains a lot
>>344551879
>Old Sigma focused all his time on his waifubot and muttered about termites under his breath
truly the best Zero
>>344551942
He's the same as old Akane from VLR, basically.
>>344551995
>talk to a murderer
Why? He knows that Akane isn't worth it.
>>344551740
For the same reason he was moved from being the playable character for D-Team to just being there, it would have been unfair for new players since they don't know him
>>344551879
that's wrong tho
>>344551995
More like he finally realized his waifu was shit
>>344551942
"Mind hacking" was a fucking retarded idea. It should have just been "hey I'm really good at reading the morphogenetic field ao I know what people are thinking, and I can write to it so well that I can force people to instinctively do what I want."
I don't know what Uchikoshi was thinking. This didn't even require more dev time, it was right fucking there from the beginning.
THREADLY REMINDERThe threads got boring not long after release. The OC was welcome but you can only discuss the same exact things so many times. I personally haven't lurked these threads in days.It could have been so much better ;_;
>>344552265
>"hey I'm really good at reading the morphogenetic field ao I know what people are thinking, and I can write to it so well that I can force people to instinctively do what I want."
But that could have been how it worked. We don't know how it works, though, we just know the stupid name.
>>344552165
>it would have been unfair for new players since they don't know him
new players shouldn't be fucking playing the third game in a story heavy series
>>344551824
I agree with you, but I liked the puzzle rooms for the aesthetic and how a lot of the environment was included
ZTD returned to this kinda, but with a bunch of obnoxious cube puzzles
>no D-Team epilogue whatsoever
what the fuck, Uchi
>>344552318
Those dirty fucking liars
>>344552402
I thought it was neat in the D team baby ending how we got to see Diana and Siggy make use of the rooms.
Especially chilling by the floating clouds.
It seemed like the only ending that had much thought put into it.
>>344551824
I liked the big conversations in the rooms. It made them feel more integrated into the story, and it added to the character dynamics.
>>344552165
>it would have been unfair for new players since they don't know him
I could buy this shitty explanation because it explains some other shit, but the game would not change a bit if Sigma was the protagonist of D team.
>>344552563
we'll have to make do with what we can, I guess
>>344552662
>It seemed like the only ending that had much thought put into it.
Because Uchi personally wrote D team and delegated the other teams to other writers.
>>344551824
The puzzles aren't considered good because of difficulty, they're considered good because they don't just make you play a retarded version of lights out
>>344552662
yeah I really liked that ending, it feels like the others weren't nearly as fleshed out, which is a damn shame
>>344552563
I wouldn't be so upset about the lack of a D team epilogue if it weren't for the fact that Q team got one.
>>344552840
and it was retarded as all hell
In fact all of the epilogues read like bad fanfiction
So was Delta just chilling in the wheelchair around the teams at all times? I don't get it.
>>344552904
If they were anything like the rest of their team's stories, they were written by someone other than Uchi. So it was literally bad fanfiction. Unlike Delta, which is just bad fiction.
This is why Junpei and Akane are best characterized in the premium booklet.
>>344552662
I hated it. I couldn't stop thinking about how retarded is to have babies in that situation.
What complex motive did Delta have for shooting Gab?
>>344552318
The last question is kind of answered, Free the Soul was started by Delta and that's how long it existed, right? You can sort of fill the blanks. All the others are fucked, I cant believe he didn't even write in epilogues for the D-team.
So does the old Sigma in the best ZTD ending just get to live in that body for another full lifetime?
>>344553038
Just with Q team.
>>344551740
Akane deliberately trained him wrong as a joke
Blick-Winkel here, I can't stream tonight.
Made some plans I forgot about.
>>344553113
>So does the old Sigma in the best ZTD ending just get to live in that body for another full lifetime?
Probably. Young Sigma from VLR jumps back to April 13th in the VLR timeline, not across all timelines.
>>344551824
I kinda liked the the interruptions in puzzle rooms, made it feel more organic.
>>344553064
While this is true, do you think they had birth control or any method of performing a safe abortion?
How come none of them commented on the fact that Mira is a serial killer that killed Eric's mom at the end?
Seemed like an important point and no one really mentions it.
>>344553427
>do you think they had birth control
don't fucking cum inside, Sigma you putz
My watch edition got delivered, but no watch
>>344553408
Me too. I felt like I got more from the characters that I chose to puzzle with, as opposed to VLR where most characterization happened in endings.
>>344553482
Every thread.
Read the epilogue files.
Alternatively, if you've already read them, and mean before that, Delta was a much more pressing threat at the time.
>>344553545
Maybe he has PE
You're so insensitive
So a snail saved humanity?
>>344553427
Do you think someone as smart as Sigma couldn't induce an abortion? It would've been believable if it were Eric and Mira, but Sigma and Nurse-san not knowing better is just retarded.
But Uchi needed his ebin twist.
>>344553642
that's why I liked the formula of switching up the groups every puzzle room, it was interesting to see how different combinations of people acted together
ZTD had some nice banter and development within groups but I'd like to see how, say, Junpei Phi and Eric would handle a tense situation
>>344553545
Doesn't always work out.
And don't tell me you wouldn't spend your last ten months in that situation fucking your waifu.
>In the prologue, Junpei is a confused, angry bitter mess, looking for answers and unsure of Akane's feelings.
>Akane is a strong woman putting the world over her own feelings, and silently taking the responsability of hurting her beloved once again
>In the game they're Max Payne and generic Yandere
>>344552758
No wonder the only good ending's were D-teams, literally the only best ending, besides "shoot me i dare you."
>>344553281
Keep fighting the good fight my dude
What was the last ending you got?
>>344554027
Maybe Diana is religious and doesn't believe in abortion.
Or maybe Sigma always wanted to wanted to copy his offspring across spacetime.
>>344554156
I forced us through all the First Come, First Saved shit yesterday, and we got Q-End 1.
>>344554064
Well yes one was written by Uchi and one wasn't.
This game would have been so much better if Uchi wrote the whole thing, it wouldn't have fixed the Delta thing but we would have got some great characterization from C team.
On the other hand, Carlos may have been different.
>>344554064
yeah that kind of annoyed me as well, Akane felt as crazy as Clover with all the chainsaw murder and what have you
what's the explanation for why Uchi didn't write for all the teams?
>>344554204
Stop ignoring Kyle's existence, dammit.
Anyways, it was too dumb for me.
Same with Delta always being there for no good reason.
Fun game, but awful writing and twists.
>>344554330
Probably didn't have enough time otherwise. See the title of the game. Might even be why he ended up dropping things like Kyle.
>>344553064
I got the vibe that Sigma had figured the Phi thing out when the transporters were revealed and Diana having the Brooch.
It wasn't explicitly said out loud, but you'd have to be a retard to name your child Phi, plan to send her away in a transporter and not realize the connection.
Why does no one go all "Hey remember that timeline where you brutally murdered me? That shit was fucked up." when everyone gets their memories of other timelines?
>>344554565
I'd have to guess that's why none of the prologue stuff from the booklet was in the actual game and it just started right at the coin flip
oh well, I'm glad the game got made anyways because it's a damn miracle that it even happened at all
>>344554630
I wouldn't put it past Sigma.
>>344554732
Q team is just that fucked up, and C team is basically even.
It's just hard to believe that it's all over
no more dumb theories or speculation and hoping
hold me /v/
>>344554732
because every single of them does some kind of shit
6 BILLION
So maybe I misunderstood but did Sigma fuck up with the transporter?
I remember him saying he was sending Phi and Delta to 2008 but they ended in 1904. Did Sigma fuck up or am I a retard?
Sean is cute
>>344554732
because those were other people that died
>>344555190
I wanted to see what the original Sean's face looked like but we only got a back shot
>>344555223
>>344555094
most tumblr ZE fanart is utter garbage (usually when it includes Phi) but some is good
>>344555182
He just said before 2009.
>>344555379
Why are they tickling him?
>>344555473
So I'm a retard and just assumed before 2009 would be 2008
Got it
>>344555480
I mean, who wouldn't want to?
>>344555379
I WILL POST MOAR
>>344555554
No it was a reasonable assumption at the time because that would have lined up with Phi's age.
>>344554732
Dammit, that would've been a fun Epilogue.
>Junpei: So, Mira, why exactly did you chainsaw my head and limbs off?
>Delta: I can answer that: it was for Akane's reaction. That was fun.
Post unofficial rankings:
Story:
999 > VLR > ZTD
Characters:
ZTD = 999 > VLR
Atmosphere:
999 > ZTD = VLR
Music:
VLR = 999 > ZTD
Graphics:
>ur a faget___
TWEEST:
999 > VLR = ZTD
Memes:
ZTD > VLR > 999Friendly reminder all of the games are inherently good in their own right.
>>344555618
Junpei it's kind of fucking creepy to dress up like your girlfriend
Are you going to fuck off to vg anytime soon?
>>344555679
>999 twist
>good
>>344553113
>>344553297
So what, he just leaves Kyle and Luna, their kids, left to rot in the moonbase on the VLR timeline?
>>344555679
Story:
999>VLR>ZTD
Characters:
VLR>999=ZTD
Atmosphere:
999 > ZTD = VLR
Music:
VLR = 999 >>>>>>>>>>> ZTD
Graphics
I liked 999's style, others were serviceble
TWEEST:
999 > VLR >>>>>>>> ZTD
Memes:
ZTD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VLR > 999
>>344555763
Dianna face in the lower square is adorable
>>344555763
Nothing is stopping him from making Luna, Lagomorph and Kyle in the true ending timeline
>>344555973
>>344555815
>>344555618
>>344555223
STOP
I wish I had prosopagnosia so I didn't have to see this shit
>>344555951
Why is that surprising? He watched his kids starve to death too.
Sigma is as selfish as Akane.
>>344555679
Story:
999>VLR>ZTD
Characters:
999>ZTD>VLR
Atmosphere:
999>ZTD>VLR
Music:
999>VLR>ZTD
Graphics:
I liked looking at 999 the best. ZTD had better models than VLR but that animation, and I missed narration existing.
TWEEST:
VLR>999>ZTD
Memes:
ZTD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VLR=999I agree.
I'm going to marry Carlos!
>>344555824
The 999 twist was pretty much out of nowhere, but less stupid than ZTD's.
VLR twist was best because it suddenly made everything make sense and you could recognize the foreshadowing.
>>344556203
Spotted the 999 faggot
>>344555951
Old Sigma in the VLR ending timeline will swap places with Young Sigma again on April 13, 2029.
>>344556265
>black mira
what
WHAT
>>344556328
999 was a great game, the hell are you talking about?
>>344556178
>He watched his kids starve to death too.
I really hope they figured out a way to just blow everything up before that happened.
>>344556397
YOU AINT SEE HELL YET ANON
>>344556487PUSH IT
>>344556478
What is the significance of Delta giving Akane these robes? What happens on April 19th or whatever date it was that he told Akane to be at the Free the Soul meeting on?
Can I jump and play ZTD without having played the other games?
>>344555951
No, the one who lives at the end of the VLR timeline will go and replace them, his mission a failure due to Carlos.
>>344556478
Not even as great as you make it sound.
Characters were mediocre, music doesn't hold a candle to VLR. Story was lacking, sprites are puke-inducing, pacing is garbage and escape rooms are awful.
Only great thing was the atmosphere
>>344556328
It's weird that I answered 999 for everything, because I feel like I might put VLR ahead of it in an overall rating. All in all I'd say they're pretty close in all departments, aside from atmosphere and memes, which I would give to 999 and ZTD hands down.
But 999 was great, so fuck you.
>>344554887
Sigma gave me some kinzo vibes this time around, except he's not as horrible as kinzo and would never commit a 'mistake'
>Fall in love with diana
>Even years after she's dead he can't get over her
>Spend 25 goddamn years trying to recreate his waifu a la kinzo
>But once he's finally done, he comes to think of his creation as his and diana's daughter instead (unlike kinzo)
>>344556634
get out before someone tells youphi is a transgender aoi kurashiki aka santa
>>344556628
It's literally just to explain why Akane was wearing FTS robes in VLR when you see her on April 13, 2029.
>>344556487
>Carlos-B breaks the door open
>Sean boots up bots 001-728 and gets to work
>Akane actually brings help after 11 months of grieving
Pick one.
>>344556643
>sprites are puke-inducing
I agree with everything except this
take it back motherfucker
>>344556643
Pretty much this, 999 was the first VN for most people or people just like it because it's the less "japanese" between all the others.
ZE in general attracts people that hate the "japanese" aesthetics and aspects of the various japanese VN
>>344555379
2 akanes no 9th man.
>>344556634
You technically could but you'd be spoiling yourself on two games which are much better than ZTD. If you don't have a 3ds or Vita, the other two games are coming to Steam soonish. If you just don't have a DS, you could emulate 999.
>>344556815
The backgrounds are good, the sprites are not.
>>344556643
>music doesn't hold a candle to VLR
Found the shit taste
>>344556643
I dunno, I'd take mediocre sprites over this shit any day
and VLR had some annoying characters (Quarku, Alice, fucking Clover)
but I agree with your other points
>>344555679
999 twist was straight garbage tho
For like half a second it was mindblowing and then they jump the shark with morphogenetic field shit WAY too hard and Junpei goes from vaguely remembering an eight-digit number to straight up communicating with past Akane. Fuckin ridiculous if you ask me, it was obvious they were going to do some morphogenetic field shit at the end but I wish they had played it a little more straight.
Is it worth it to play 999 again for atmosphere now that the series is over? I still think that it had the best premise of all of them (well except the AB Game, that was 10/10 and I'll probably replay that too eventually)
>>344556815
not him; the original art is great but somewhere in the digitizing process the sprites got truly wretched
look at this shit
>>344556896
>only 2 characters not from Japan
>less "japanese"
>>344557052
>Is it worth it to play 999 again for atmosphere now that the series is over?
Might as well wait for the HD release at this point.
Greatest gif to come from any of the games.
>>344556676
>forces her to participate in the AB game and to babysit his clone
>ditches her to bang his waifu and watch his kids die or live happily ever after with his waifu
>doesn't even wonder where the fuck is his shitty clone
He's as bad as Kinzo.
>>344556909
9th man is the one to the far right who has let go of his leg
>>344557048
>pre-rendered CGI event
>>344557048
VLR had better backgrounds.
ZTD had better models.
Honestly, as much shit as people have been giving the animations and models, I thought there were moments when it all came together to look pretty good.
Everyone is insisting that VLR has better music than 999, can someone post an example of this, because I feel like I'm missing something here.
>>344557178
it's got some pretty serious competition
>>344556896
I never really understood this idea. What exactly is more "japanese" about vlr and ztd?
>>344557136
Anon, I meant the overall tone of the game.
>>344557305
For a start, they crowbarred in Lagomorph because of the popularity of Monokuma
>>344557251
The models are fine, the animations are terrible to the point of being hilarious and ruining the mood several times.
>>344557231
yeah that's what I'm saying, I'd rather have the art with narration over it than VLR's cutscenes
the use of models for the VN parts was fine though
>>344557305
More superpowers I guess. Also VLR has that Monokuma knock off rabbit.
>>344556896
>>344556643
>Pretty much this, 999 was the first VN for most people or people just like it because it's the less "japanese" between all the others.
This reminds me, Uchikoshi talked in an interview about why 999 got so popular in the west and not in japan
He said it's because in Japan, there's already a ton of these games (he brought up kamaitachi no yoru and YU-NO as examples) and they have existed for a long time so '999' isn't anything new for the japs.
>>344557040
Straight up fact that VLR had a better ost than 999.
999 has too much noise going on during tracks like the main theme and quietus
>>344557286
Is that from another lady innocent?
>>344556267
oh shit i came
>ZTD discussion has died down so quickly that people are back to arguing about 999 vs VLR again
The only thing I'm sad about is that there will be no moreblack bar generals
>>344557679
It's no wonder that Akan/Junpei/999fags are always the most obnoxious around
>>344557842
Akane and Junpeiare shitI enjoyed 999 though
>>344555190
He was the only character I really liked this time around, I was expecting them to do a little more with him though.I thought he was Kyle at first.
"I don't have memories of outside so I guess I didn't really have a reason to leave" hit me like a brick when I got to that ending. It's actually pretty good reasoning but still sad, especially if you don't know the truth. I thought this kid just threw away his life to give this old dog some company in his last moments before they both starved to death, Q and the robot reveal kind of shit on that a bit but I still think he was a good character, I wish the characters could have been explored more.
>>344557052
I also remember feeling that they wen't a little too far with the morphogenetic field stuff.
Like they'd gone through so much trouble to make it grounded and then as you say, jumped the shark.
VLR handled it all better because instead of the multiverse stuff being a twist, it's straight up the main mechanic.
The restriction on the shifting is all more or less logical and the plot holes aren't as glaringly obvious as you'd first think.
I do think that VLR had a massive narrative advantage of basically having to conclude nothing.
>>344557905
why are you doing this shit
>>344558060
When I played the game on the micro DS resolution, I thought those were bloody chopped hands of everyone.
>>344558005
I agree with ya, I feel like VLR would be my favorite in the series if it wasn't massive cliffhanger bait, especially considering how ZTD dropped the ball with some VLR plot threads
>>344558060
LIFE IS SIMPLY UNFAIR ANON
>>344557523
Quietus was a great Bad End theme, and there was some serious quantity over quality going on with the puzzle themes in VLR.
>>344557909
I thought Marty McFly Junpei and Tenmyoldy were fun at least
not a fan of the shipping garbage though
STILL
HOLY FUCK
WHAT AM I EVEN GOING TO DO WITH THIS SHIT
>>344558380
pirate pc version :^)
>>344556643
I actually agree with you and think 999 is way over-rated around these parts, but the sprites look a lot better than any of the 3D shit from the other games.
OFFICIAL UNDISPUTABLE TEAM RANKINGS
God Tier: C TEAM
+Carlos is the only fucking person in the shelter that gets anything done
+Best rooms and best music (the Monty Hall room had the best music in the entire game imo)
+Junpei is hilariously edgy
+Akane snapping and trying/succeeding in murdering Carlos when Jumpy dies is actually out of nowhere and terrifying
+C Team's endless SHIFTing adventure
+That whole scene where they described Back to the Future without ever saying it because lol copyright
-Junpei and Akane bitching at each other
-Akane spouting Wikipedia articles for 15 minutes at a time
-TENMYOUJI STILL ALWAYS PICKS BETRAY
Mid Tier: Q TEAM
+Sean is super cute and actually knows what he's doing
+Eric is great when he isn't going full crazy shotgun rampage
+Triangle is one of the best scenes in the game
-Mira kills everyone in like half the routes and if you just randomly go through fragments it's super easy to find out her twist like an hour in or less
-Apparently the blind and deaf comic book villain with black and purple eyes is not even remotely suspicious to them
------BIOLAB
Shit Tier: D TEAM
+Phi and Sigma are great
+Twins ending is super sad
-Boss Phi is dead for 2/3rds of the game
-Sigma, the sixty-seven year old genius who spent his entire life preparing for this moment, gets both arms and an eye blown off trying to defuse a bomb with five seconds left on the clock
-Diana knowingly causes the apocalypse trying to save a woman who can just SHIFT away
-Diana blows up the shelter pushing a button that says WARNING DO NOT PUSH
-Diana looks retarded in every one of her closeups
-Diana is flat out worse than Luna (RIP ;_;)
-Diana and Sigma's only contribution is getting themselves stuck in the shelter and then banging to create the two most ridiculous looking infants ever rendered in a video game
-Diana smashes the antidote when all three of them are suffering from poison
-Diana in general just fucks everything up every time
Objective
>>344558450
already did and already beat it
i just thought i might like to have the 3ds so i can have the entire series physically.. and replay it in like 2036 after steam is long dead
Life is simply unfair. Don't you think?
>>344552265
Isn't that exactly what it is, though? He just calls it mind hacking.
>>344558520
my thoughts exactly
I hated that Phi was out of commission so much
>>344558495
>but the sprites look a lot better than any of the 3D shit from the other games.
sure, bud
>>344558520
>Sigma fails to recreate Diana
>Creates girl that's better than Diana
Sigma is a genius with AI.
>>344558352
It's not really shipping when it is canonical.
>>344558436
>blue eyes
I really hate Carlos fans and ZTD fans, it's clear they just played without even paying attention
>>344558661
But they do. VLR 3d is shit. ZTD would be fine if it had better animation and Junpei and Akane didn't dye themselves purple, but oh well.
Anyone got a save 100% save file for the pc version?
My 3DS crashed after I finished the game and I cant access anything
>>344558520
>-Diana blows up the shelter pushing a button that says WARNING DO NOT PUSHMINDHACKS
>>344558520
kys
>>344558520
D team really was shit.
>Junpei and Carlos find out about SHIFTing
>Put it to better use within 5 minutes than Phi and Sigma who spent a lifetime preparing for this
this is the police, I've got a lost child here /v/, can any of you tell me where his home is?
>>344558520
>+Eric is great when he isn't going full crazy shotgun rampage
But Eric is at his best when he's going full crazy shotgun rampage.
And while Carlos slowly became endearing with time, Junpei and Akane just got worse and worse, I really couldn't give less of a shit about them getting together by the end of it.
>>344558596
>life was...
>simply unfair.
>>344558520
I think Eric's fucking retardedness really brings down the team
especially after everyone knows Mira's a serial killer, but he's dumb enough to ride off into the sunset with her
>>344558520
I don't understand how you could stomach Q team.
>>344558995
>put it to better use
>don't worry! I won't die!
>pic related
I fucking loved C team shenanigans
>>344559120
Speaking of which, why was everyone ok and cool with her being a serial killer? Why did Eric not give the slightest shit about her killing his mother?
How do you guys find what to do next?
i'm searching every spot on the flow and team select and can't find shit
those 8 numbers aren't for the door what the fuck Zero
>>344559007
I don't know that gundam.
>>344557153
Well yeah, but is that gonna be worth it?
I liked 999 well enough but everyone is hyping it up so much I feel like I need to play it at least once more.
>>344558162
VLR definitely is my favorite, with some major reservations - the giant fucking cliffhanger being one of them.
>>344559159
Sean carried it for me by being an actually good child character and the only voice of reason in the entire team
>>344559164
this scene, and following them slowly understand what's going on was pretty thrilling desu
>>344559261
epilogue files
>>344558995
it's only a problem if you know the characters and played VLR
>>344558520
>>344559120
>>344559097
>Eric going on his stupid shotgun rampage in the teleporter room
>Less than a foot away from Sigma, repeatedly lowers the gun and leaves himself open to any sort of tackle or suckerpunch Sigma could've pulled
>Sigma just fucking stands there like the complete retard he is
Fuck Eric and fuck D team.
>>344559159
Sean was just that good.
>>344559261
>Eric's mother was the woman on the snail path
holy fuck how did i not make that connection
but as for your original point, idk i asked the same thing. By the end of the game, they all know she's a serial killer and let her go
>>344559269
Make sure you have seen all of the execution scenes.
Double check to see if there are any exclamation marks anywhere.
Make sure you've tried making all choices.
>>344559269
Where are you at, have you seen the door of truth?Which teams?The hint seen by Q-team is what you use as D-team. Yes, the date.
>>344559261
he is a pussywhipped faggot like Junpei
>>344559269
I was stuck for a while because I thought I had spared every team in the initial vote since I got all the shower scenes but apparently I never really had.
There was also one point where I needed to go back to that one Q fragment that doesn't show up in the flow map right away and wasn't marked as New either.
>>344559164
Obviously dropping all the plot threads that VLR built up is a massive kick in the teeth.
But damn I enjoyed this wild ride.
The journey was truly better than the destination.
VLR had both the best and worst characters, I guess it depends on which you think outweighs the other.
>>344559313
I mean before the epilogue files. All of the other characters don't seem to give a shit either.
>>344559368
I think the entire point of the game is to try and go without killing anyone, and ending their conflicts "peacefully"
>>344559462
So was Sigma in ZTD, they fucked up his character pretty badly desu
>>344559585
They were busy dealing with mindhacker.
>>344558995
Now that I think about it, I vaguely remember Sigma saying he lost the ability to shift at some point.
I don't even when or why but I remember thinking that's odd.
Am I just going crazy or did this actually happen?
>>344559581
sounds like a toughDECISION
>>344559581
yeah, and it helped that Sigma and Phi had great chemistry as protags
I really liked Tenmyoji and K too, and Dio was a love-to-hate character
everyone else, though...
I really wish Sigma and Phi would have shifted meaningfully even once.
It's like the only reason they needed to be able to shift was to show up in the first place and for the true end.
>>344559462
At least Akane cares enough about Junpei to have a berserker rampage trigger switch whenever he dies.
Mira doesn't give a shit about anything until her epilogue.
>>344559305
>X-Passes from other timelines... are not applicable.
Genuinely the most unnerving moment in the game
>>344559261
Because the writing for Q team is absolute fucking garbage.
Fuck, they practically ruined the game for me.
>>344557679
Everyone knows that VLR is the best game and Sigma the best character of the franchise, just saying.
>>344559681
It happened inone of his death scenes.It never comes up again or is explained.
>>344559681
it's the timeline where Mira kills everyone, I think it was to imply that was another Sigma that got forcepushed into that body by the Sigma of that timeline shifting
>>344559756
>Dio was a love-to-hate character
No he wasn't. You find out his plans way too early and he's too much of a transparent prick besides, it's just that every other character is a complete retard that never does anything about him until it's too late.
>>344559581
VLR also had both the best and worst moments in the franchise imo, for every Luna ending and K ending there was a fucking Clover ending
>>344559757
I really wish phi showed up for more than 2 minutes
>>344559951
Of all the people that could have been the Snake, I did not expect it to be Phi.
>>344559841
that's just, like, your opinion, man
>>344559841
>VLR Sigma over VLR Phi
W A C K
>>344559805
>>344559305
>>344559164
Yeah, that series of events was thrilling enough to redeem the game for me. Junpei being a smug tricky fuck like in 999's climax again had me thinking C-team was finally gonna turn the tables on Zero and seeing them run right into that brick wall with the X-passes was a real "oh shit" moment.
>>344559937
>You find out his plans way too early
I didn't end up doing his end until way late in the game, but it should've had a lock on it
>>344560107
Anybody else guess Phi and Sigma were related early on in VLR? I just had this feeling
What did he mean by this
>>344560123
ZTD reminded me a lot of VLR in that there was a LOT of stupid bullshit but when it was working, it REALLY was working.
I expected them to make it through and have some confrontation in the elevator and then
>PENALTY PENALTY
>>344560107
What was the deal with her accidentally saying wrong words? I can't remember any specific examples, but it happened a couple times.
>>344560306
He meant that the ending in ZTD will be explained in ZE4.
That cliff hanger ending.
Looks like there's still enough Ever 17 to recycle for a 4th game.
>>344559949
what's wrong with Clover ending?
>>344560137
>Play through the routes on the right first
>Everyone in the rest of the game going on about Alice's murder when I know it was suicide
>>344560306
Probably meant that this marks the END of him giving a shit about his writing desu
>>344560254
The cover hints at it like crazy and she straight up says "I've seen you before".
I figured they'd be siblings though I didn't think the absolute madman would have the cheek to steal the Tsugumi twist too
>>344560391
I figured it was to hint at their brains being forced into retard mode by radical-6.
Speaking of which, did anyone else think Radical-6 would play a bigger role in ZTD? I mean it was just there in that one Q-team room.
WHERE WAS BLICK WINKEL?
>>344560494
We're full on Remember11 now
>What happens if you get SHIFTed into someone else's body?
>>344560541
>The cover shows the hero and heroine
>A time traveler has seen someone before when they shouldn't have
Some crazy hints there, man
>>344560572
I thought everything would play a bigger role in ZTD
I wasn't expecting nearly every plot point to be dropped like a shitty child
>>344560572
yes, along with FtS, it was just another example of something hastily included by Uchi to try and solve hanging VLR plot threads
>>344560572
>did anyone else think Radical-6 would play a bigger role in ZTD?
Literally everyone.
Honestly if it had even been paid some lip service to the effect of Delta releasing it in every ending where he doesn't think the terrorist will be stopped it would have been better.
>>344560494
>cliff hanger
What about it was a cliff hanger? Junpei, Akane, Carlos, and Crash Keys are gonna stop the muslim extremist from alahu akbaring humanity into extinction through the power of friendship.
Inside this spoiler there is a cat. Since you can't observe or measure it from the outside, it is both alive and dead at the same time. If you observe what is inside of this spoiler, the cat will either be alive or dead with a probability of 50% for each. The cat has done nothing wrong and it's contained in a pretty tight spoiler with little space.
What will you do?
>Free an innocent feline
or
>Kill the cat on the spot?
>>344560805
Delta never releases Radical-6 though
>>344559805
Can't agree more with this.
>Sigma in VLR
>It couldn't scream "don't press me" any louder if it said "don't press me" on it!
he really went senile
>>344560306
that the ending is meaningless because creating different timelines is easy so might as well make your own headcanon
>>344560667
Radical-6 exists only because people believe it exists. Like the cure syndrome. You know it's gonna happen.
Just so I'm clear on this, there is LITERALLY no reason why future Sigma and future Phi had to be in the decision game other than "muh epigenetics", right? So VLR was basically pointless
>>344560494
They've used some variation on the Blick Winkel twist for three games and counting now, he's probably just trying to see how far he can get
>>344560527
Struck me as being a less frightening or impactful version of her 999 ending. On its own I guess it wasn't terrible.
>>344560835
>Kyle causes a bad end to try and see if daddy loves him
Deserves to be left behind desu
>>344560914
>yfw Mira didn't have Cure
>>344560865
But he should have.
>>344560820
How many kids did Akane and Junpei had?
Was Akane into anal?
What happened to the irrelevant fucks from the past 2 games?
Does Uchi actually thinks ZTD's ending is good? Does he takes us as idiots?
>>344557503
wait, how the fuck did Snake survive, again?
>>344560805
>Radical-6 got released because mira is a 'crazy' serial killer bitch and snatched one so she could stab someone with it later for fun
what a fucking disappointment
Also expected Sigma to lose his arms/hands in a less stupid way. Would've been nice if he lost them saving both Phi and Diana in a decision game where he had to get one killed or something
>>344561030
Kyle's suit design was fucking great
>>344560524
HOLY FUCK
>Delta literally watched Q team fuck around and not solve puzzles
how did he contain his laughter
>>344559805
What happens if you use timeline-appropriate X-Passes in that scene?
>>344560835
Sorry, I think our boxes got switched.
>>344560952
Well,
fuck I really wanted to think of a counterpoint but I can't
Fuck this game
>>344560673
Shows Sigma with white hair matching Phi's. Not even Old Sigma's hair is that color.
>time traveler
She says it right at the beginning of the game before you learn about time travel shenanigans. It's pretty obvious they're somehow connected.
Good try though
>>344561119
>Was Akane into anal?
With a booty like that you better believe it.
>>344561119
Make up whatever you want about their post-ZTD life, it doesn't matter
Most characters get at least a line or two of explanation
I dunno we'll wait for the Q/A
>>344561030
I was sad when he never did that emote with his full body model. Only in that little window.
>>344558520
>Sigma, the sixty-seven year old genius who spent his entire life preparing for this moment, gets both arms and an eye blown off trying to defuse a bomb with five seconds left on the clock
Oh wow he didn't defuse a bomb he never saw in 5 seconds, what a dumbass
>Diana blows up the shelter pushing a button that says WARNING DO NOT PUSHMINDHACCC
>Diana looks retarded in every one of her closeups
You'd look retarded too if you were trapped by some psycho thatturns out to be your son that isn't born yetand be surrounded by people who claim to be from the future like the fuck.
>Diana smashes the antidote when all three of them are suffering from poison
You can't trust anyone in the conditions they were in.
>>344560805
>>344561136
his entire plan hinged on Mira taking the radical-6, what if she didn't? or did he MINDHACK her to do it?
>>344560910
>creating different timelines is easy
This is true, all it takes to create a timeline is a choice.
But it can be hard to create the timeline you want, see all the effort that the protagonists go through in every single Zero Escape game.
>>344561136
>Also expected Sigma to lose his arms/hands in a less stupid way.
The moment where Sigma is slumped over defeated as he realizes he's on the same timeline was great, but I agree with what you said.
I was under the impression that he was going to lose them saving Diana or something.
Would have made for some great dramatic irony if there was a decision game where someone had to put their arms into a machine.
>>344561139
am i forgetting an anime part of VLR? what's the source of this?
>>344560820
>muslim
>implying
>Still making these threads
they went to shit after last friday. Nothing but dumb casuals and 999 fags now.
So Delta's COMPLEX motives were just Akane's from 999 (gotta ensure his own existence) and VLR's (train people for a global threat) stapled together?
>>344561426
It really doesn't matter. He could go my super cool computer told me to release R6 anyways :^) and there would be nothing wrong with that because muh OC fanatic.
>>344561601
Delta is Akane but MIND HACK instead of SHIFT and releases Radical-6 if his plan fails
>>344561542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvIM9Xph5q8
>>344561151
>Strangle that bitch Mira
>Later on when Eric and Sean find her fucking body Eric freaks out and assumes it's Sean because he's an idiot and doesn't suspect Delta
>Probably just kicks back and jerks off to the security footage of Sigma and Diana fucking while Eric shoots Sean and goes insane
These motives.................. they're almost too complex......................
>>344561542
I think there was a promotional thing.
>>344561251
>She says it right at the beginning of the game before you learn about time travel shenanigans
Yes but Phi and Sigma aren't necessarily jumping at the same time. It makes so much more sense that she has jumped than it does to assume that she remembers her father, who she literally only saw on the day of her birth, especially now that he's an old termite fucker.
>>344561426
Delta knows everything, either by reading minds or thanks to the Quantum Computer.
I mean, Jumpei had Quark as one f the X-passes and is stated that the quantum computer can calculate all possible timelines.
The point of ZTD is that everything that happened was meant to happen because Delta made everything to be exactly how it should have been for those things to happen
>>344558661
They had some strong points in the animation, better with some characters than others. The big weakness was mostly in the limited mouth movements, which was worse than the detailed ones in VLR, but still better than the fish mouths in ZTD.
>>344561516
Technically he did lose them trying to save Diana and Phi, by tricking them into running away so that he'd be the only one able to put on the suit and try to defuse the bomb and they wouldn't be in a position of danger.
>>344561578
>this thread is dominated by VLRfags
How terrible
>>344559805
>>344560123
>be smart enough to have already tried x-passes from before people have died/from alternate timelines
>know they're probably gonna get cockblocked
>>344561757
>by tricking them into running away
Bravo, Uchi.
>tfw this was better than what we got
>>344561713
>Q team execution
>Delta just sitting there, knowing his head is about to be blown up
>"Well, as long as the other history's me wins!"
did he cuck himself out of life?
>>344561756
>still better than the fish mouths in ZTD.
How hard is it to put the minimal amount of effort into a mouth animation, and just make it flap open and shut? Genuine question.
>>344561516
Didn't they say in VLR he lost them saving Diana? I figured it was part of a decision game too.
I did love when he walks out from the bomb and his arms are gone, though. I fucking knew what was coming.
>>344561407
>bomb
He was the one who set it so he did see it
He knew it was too late to begin with but he goes and spends like two of his three minutes on his ~~dramatic goodbye~~ and fucking goes back anyway like a dumbass
>closeups
It has to do with her model motherfucker even when she's smiling it looks stupid because their budget wouldn't buy a Happy Meal
>you can't trust anyone
THEY'RE ALREADY DYING
>>344561128
There is some lore in the game about becoming stronger when being about to die or something like that
>>344561128
super anime blindness powers + Pure imouto love
>>344560952
Well VLR was a setup to ZTD since you see 99% of that story through Sigma's eyes. But yeah, ultimately VLR is pointless if you were to look at it from the perspective of Eric or something.
Basically you SHIFT VLR out of reality by the end of ZTD.
Why didn't ZTD Sigma have a termite-esque rant
>my psychopathy is cured! Sorry for killing your mom, getting akane's dad executed, ripping out your heart and killing you twice, working with Zero, and indirectly causing the entire series. hehe let's get married~
>>344559805
I had such a massive list of x-passes accumulated at that point. I thought there would be a reason, especially when I saw they were different based on Timelines.
So then I started parsing them out based on TIMELINE. I couldn't really figure out why they kept changing at first.
I also really liked when they rearrange the flowchart when they discover how the shelter is set-up so you can see who's active when.
>>344560952
Sigma needed to be there so Delta could be born. I mean, sure, there are countless histories where he isn't born at all and therefore 8 billion people die.
But there are also countless histories where the fanatic dies from masturbating so hard to furry porn.
That's the problem with the many worlds shit. Everything feels pointless.
>>344561128
The FtS robes are magic
>>344562761
The world may never know.
>>344562736
But Sigma and Phi didn't do anything in ZTD. Phi was dead the whole time and Sigma just produced Delta. Or was Akane working with Delta in VLR and the whole point was to make sure that Sigma went back in time to fuck Diana?
>>344562780
Terribly written character
>>344562780
might have been the single worst piece of writing in ZTD
>>344562780
The psychopathy being cured kind of makes sense. It's set up by Ace's idea that if he could access the morphogenetic field then he could understand people better.
Anyone but Eric would have probably still hated her though. Or at least broken up with her.
So Aoi cares about his sister enough to save her life in 999 but not enough to do anything in VLR or ZTD, and is never mentioned again?
>>344563112
>everybody gets one
>>344553623
Same. Just came in today. No watch.
Is Uchikoshi now a hack after ZTD?
>>344563112
>uchikoshi fucked up in VLR and had the hologram Zero have the fake eye on the wrong side compared to Sigma's reflection at the end
>tfw falsely clung to hope that Aoi might have been hologram Zero
>>344563232
yeah
>>344563232
>now
He already was when he wrote Punchline.
>>344562064
It's certainly doable. I think the animators for 999 could have done it if they were tasked to, going by the detail in the other animations. But VLR's the only game that really tried to do detailed mouth movement.
>>344562905
>But Sigma and Phi didn't do anything in ZTD.
>Sigma just produced Delta. Or was Akane working with Delta in VLR and the whole point was to make sure that Sigma went back in time to fuck Diana?
I wouldnt say they were working together, but you probably could say VLR already was a setup to create Delta.
>>344562905
>Phi was dead the whole time
I wouldn't quite say that. If she wasn'tburned alive, stabbed in the back or had her head blown off,she was around. I would say she felt like more of a minor character though in ZTD compared to VLR. With D team, it was more about the interaction between Sigma and Diana.
>>344563232
he always was but I still love him
>>344563232
Is "hack" /v/'s new "cuck"?
>>344563329
I never watched/read it. How bad is it?
>>344562810
Yeah that was the big problem I had with VLR. The obvious question the game raises is why even fucking bother with this timeline if there are infinite routes where you already succeeded or where it didn't work? And if you go back in time and stop it successfully did you really save your timeline? Or did you just create another and the original is unchanged?
I was hoping more than anything that ZTD would kind of rationalize that somehow but nope
>>344563232
He's only pretending to be a hack, there's acomplex motivebehind him doing that though.
>>344563450
Taxi driver confirmed for participant 4
>>344563454
I sure fucking hope so, we could use fresh buzzwords
okay quick question, vita or 3ds version? i have both, actually, thanks to me buying a copy and getting a copy as a present
>>344563502
The anime sucks. Granted it has a few good moments but it isn't worth it. Would have dropped if it had nothing to do with Uchi.
>>344563582
vita if you want to see terribly animated 3d models in up close in HD!!
>>344562810
>But there are also countless histories where the fanatic dies from masturbating so hard to furry porn.
Only if the fanatic is a furry anyway.
You have to make the concession there either aren't literally infinite histories or there is limited variance among these histories. Otherwise none of the Zero Escape games make any sense. Every game is about the protagonist or mastermind or both working hard to create the specific future that they want, and if there were literal infinite timelines with endless possibilities, there would be no need for this. Akane could have just shifted to a timeline of her choosing and been done with all of it.
So you have to go with the idea that's presented in VLR and to a lesser extent ZTD, where timelines are created at points of choice. This is why Akane created the AB game, and why Zero used the Decision Game format, to create many different timelines.
And why did Zero have to mindhack? Because if he didn't, there would have been less timelines. If he didn't hack Carlos, there might not be a timeline where Carlos pressed the yellow button. Because it's just not in his nature. Just like there is likely no timeline where Luna betrays, but there are timelines where Alice will either ally or betray, because she's a conflicted person.
TL;DR: There may be effectively infinite timelines, but they have limited variance because they are driven by the choices that people make.
>>344563454
Not really. I see it all the time on other boards. Especially when people are talking about visual novels.
Since anon is posting shit fanart I'll post mine
Somehow I spend the whole time thinking Sigma send Phi and Delta 20 years past, so I
thought zero would be Phi's brother around his 20
Got a bit sad to see he was a old man alreadymade this just for you /v/, please don't bully
>>344563662
Watch where your eyes are looking old man.
>>344562780
When I first figured out she killed Eric's mom and indirectly caused real Sean's death I was expecting a huge confrontational and emotional scene when Eric and Sean eventually find out and it never fucking happened.
Just like I was expecting a trademark info dump about Kyle, Free the Soul, Left, the 999 guys, etc that also never came. Or a final puzzle room. Honestly feels like they ran out of money 3/4ths into development.
>>344563793
I thought we were talking about ZTD, not VLR.
>>344563769
he looks like a total fag, but good job anon
>>344563502
A shitload of unexplained things, boring characters, and the worst form of time travel Uchi has ever written. Also, no big twist, just a bunch of boring little twists that wouldn't come as a surprise to anybody that has been exposed to Uchi's previous works.
>>344563907
Different games. Same shit.
CONGRATULAAAAAAAAATIONS, SIGMA!
>>344563807
>Honestly feels like they ran out of money 3/4ths into development.
They ran out of money before development even started, and the fact that Uchi had to delegate the writing of C and Q to others shows that they were running on zero time.
FREE THE SOUL MY BROTHERS!
>>344563807
The game was like 20 hours long whereas VLR was 40, right? I feel like we would have gotten more interesting/longer routes if the budget wasn't the cost of a fast food dinner + fan love
>>344564004
>mfw they said the game was the second season and no one gave a shit about the game
fuck outta here you jap cunt
>>344563662
is there any benefit to either version besides the resolution? like is it cooler to have the touch screen on the 3ds or anything?
>>344564081
this guy is the ultimate rusemaster, he set up a fake cult with brainwashed clones over 124 years + however long it went on in VLR, JUST to have a 75% chance of killing a religious fanatic
>>344564194
The game was just the same plot as the anime, but with a slightly different ending.
>>344564076
>the title of the name is a reference to the development of the game
UCHIKOSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>344564101
ZTD was 15-20 hours, but VLR was beatable in 25.
>>344564271
The UI of the 3DS version of ZTD is a downgrade from VLR. Hard to explain but it just isn't as good.
>>344564410
>VLR was beatable in 25
How did everyone in these threads do this
Clocked 40 hours and didn't even feel like I was taking too long except for maybe one or two puzzles.
>>344564271
I only played the vita version but the vita version has you use the touch screen as well
>>344564273
How dare you to slander the good name of our Brother!
>>344564273
Fan fact:
He was voice by Albert Wesker's VA. Well, one of them at least.
>>344564410
Maybe if you rush through it. In terms of content, ZTD only has about half as much as VLR.
which game has more puzzles?
>>344564273
>A timeline exists where Radical-6 escaped AND the religious fanatic lived.
>>344564803
999/VLR have 16 puzzle rooms, ZTD has 13
>>344564271
The second screen on the 3DS isn't used effectively at all in ZTD. All the memos and notes you can bring up are stuck on one screen, while the other one's useless.
>>344563232
Yeah, a MIND hack.
>>344563807
I really wanted a route where Eric stops being a little bitch and realizes that he's reliving his brother's killing by strangling Sean all the time, and wises up to Mira
but I guess that's not important to the narrative so there wasn't the budget for that
>tfw you avoided /v/ for two weeks because you didn't want to get spoiled
>tfw you finally finished the game
>tfw you are finally able to enter /v/ again and browse ZTD threads
>tfw you see a lot of funny meme pictures in that thread
>tfw you see THE SAME DAMN IMAGES IN EVERY FUCKING ZTD THREAD
Is this the best you managed to come up with in 2 weeks /v/?
>>344564983
discussion has slowed to a crawl pretty fast
>>344564586
Same, I have no idea. Maybe people didn't wait for the VA. Who knows.
[TIME TO DECIDE!]
The game with the best soundtrack is...
>>344565051
>crawl
you're not fooling me, you genocidal bastard
>>344564983
>oh man this relatively obscure game isn't getting tons of OC
Make some yourself then, whiner.
>>344565093
I'm tied on VLR and 999 because I thought both were pretty gud
ZTD has a problem of overusing Morphogenetic Sorrow and Blue Bird Lamentation too much
>>344565093
aren't all soundtrack the same?
>>344557178
That's not a washing machine.
>>344551740
>saving a thumbnail
Why couldn't Delta just MINDHACK the future terrorist into not killing all of humanity?
Or just killing himself when he was a baby by MINDHACKING him into choking on a toy or something?
>>344564886
VLR also has an easy/hard version
>>344565381
so that there was an excuse for the game to exist
>>344563112
He's too busy getting reamed after discovering his one* true love
(3 + 7 = 10 → 1 + 0 = 1)
>>344565313
Super intense rinse cycle just for you anon.
>>344565456
TSUZOOMI NO
YOU'RE GOING TO TIEF BLAU ALL OVER THE GLASS
>>344565557
That's the least of her problems.
>>344565381
because the guy that knows everything about the future and has a quantum computer that can predict timelines and has an alien transporter that shows how the timelines branch and where doesn't know who the terrorist is
Do you think we'll ever hear anything about 1904 Phi and if she did anything of note?
>>344565406
ZTD has default easy version and 999 has what goes before easy.
>>344565093
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7-sK3icMSE
The credits are truly my favorite song for the game, good song to end the series.
Can't say the series ended off too good, though...
Some other contenders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eWaxTNbPJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTt0DJn0_CU
>>344565703
>dat Mira
>>344563454
>>344563570
>fresh
>new
oh god summer /v/ is real
hack's been around for years kiddos
>>344565454
didn't Uchi allude to him being gay or something in a twitter post somewhere?
>>344565783
She grew up in her foster parents footsteps and became a famous researcher in an American lab
>>344565783
We already did. She raised 2009 Phi.
>>344565887
He's bi. He's also publicly theorised Seven would be his partner.
>>344555958
>characters
>VLR at the top
what the fuck is wrong with you
>>344566154
Siggy and Phi had great chemistry and I liked Tenmyouji and K
I guess they stood out to me more that the characters in 999, even though 999 is my favorite in the series
>>344565792
I meant that you have to solve the hard part too to get the gold files in VLR
>>344566363
sigma is my favorite character of video games, and phi and tenmyouji are amazing, but it doesn't make up for alice, quark and clover
honestly ZTD had the best characters, it brought all the fan favorites back and the new characters are great, besides maybe mila
If we're just talking ZTD:
Phi > Akane > Mira (one night stand hopefully without murder) > Diana
Name ONE reason whyEricisn't your favorite character.
Bet you also hatedDio
>>344566576
>it brought all the fan favorites back
yeah and they were all fucking shit or dead
>>344565093
Probably ZTD
It's mostly remixes but like all of remixes improved the songs.
>>344566576
>honestly ZTD had the best characters
Eric sucked
Mira sucked
Q sucked
returning characters sucked
>>344566615
Has the artist who made the ZTD characters done anything else?
Diana aside, I love the art.
>>344566729
literally the ones you mentioned in your post were better than ever
sigma was a bit toned down and phi was absent, but I think you're overstating the amount of dialogue she got in VLR
>>344563065
Fuck. If it had actually been well written Mira using the morphogenetic field to understand feelings would've been great.
>>344564273
I thought the cult is based around the morphogenetic field and that killing the terrorist was necessary for FtS's plans
>>344566726
Eric was just a Cuck.
Dio was an absolute piece of shit but that was why he was so enjoyable.
>>344566864
>sean and eric sucked
bad opinionsunless you mean delta, which is fucking amazing despite the memes. the character doesn't represent the flawed writing.
mira was bad but considering she plays the role of clover/alice the best of all three games I'll give her a pass
>>344566394
you can clear the room in easy, get blue pass, then jump back to the escape room in hard and input the pass for gold file
>>344566896
>you
I'm not the person you responded to
>>344566987
>Eric was just a Cuck.
He was a beta but certainly not cuck.
>>344566615
>either of the psychopaths near the top
>dopey puppy at the bottom
Phi > Diana > Akane > Mira
>>344549782
Tell me how it's perfect so I can blow you the fuck out.
>>344566576
>honestly ZTD had the best characters
Debatable. Some characters were better than others but they weren't great. 999 and VLR did better.
>those sequel hooks at the end
Uchi just couldn't help himself, could he?
>>344566923
How about, everyone has some small innate ability to access it, which is why people can understand and relate to one and other.
For whatever reason, Mira doesn't have any sort of access.
Events of ZTD somehow lift it and Mira has a moment of dire realization when she understands what she's done to people.
Agrees to go to prison to absolve herself of her sin etc etc
>>344567263
There weren't any
>fish, plant, insect, bird, and human
I feel stupid. I assume I'm supposed to match them with their color and arrange them according to their cell group count; but since you can't move the butterfly that's not possible, but I can't think of anything else -- I must be missing something.
>>344567319
You get given the order somewhere else don't you?
Where can i download the full OST of the three games?
I need some help
got stuc after a bit and made some screenshots to try and join my timelines
I can't seem to find what do I have to do to progress
last few things I've got weresigma and diana's twinsQ and Eric finding the golden door with "twins' birthdays written and Mira with something on her nails while deadD ending that links this to VLR
not sure what i'm missing
everything now needs either a code or a name I don't know yet
>>344567319
Ohhh....now I get it. Somehow I feel even more stupid now that I've figured it out.
>>344567825
enter thetwins birthday on the door with it written idiot
>>344567825
>Q and Eric finding the golden door with "twins' birthdays writtenYou've found the same door with D-team, right?
>>344553073
It's a joke.
Dog -> God is dead.
Just finished the game. It didn't answer all the questions from 999 / VLR but I feel satisfied enough. But onto questions for you guys.
1)What's up with Delta being 124 and his purple eyes? I guess the eyes are part of his mind hack shit but 124? And he's still super healthy.
2)In the part where Eric forces SEAN to reveal who Zero is after shooting Carlos (and from that point on) they all suddenly recognized Sean as "Sean" instead of "Q" and apparently Delta was known as "Q" all along. Except I'm pretty sure they always called robot-boy "Q". They didn't know his name because even Sean didn't. So when did they ever find out and why the sudden shift? And was the old man just rolling around in the wheelchair the whole time? How did we never see him?
>>344567825
You have all you need to open the door of truth.
Just think for a bit.
>>344567970
>>344567978
Thing is I already knowthe birthdaysbut cinematic ended with Zero putting Q and Eric to sleep
>>344568038but he was there the whole time anon. Someone will post the pictures, I dont have it saved. He was always off camera and was always known as Q. Sean was never Q, the game just made you think that
>>344568040
>Just think for a bit
It literally tells you
>>344568151
Where else have you foundan inconspicuous golden fucking door?
>>344568151
I see you hovering on the door of truth in your screenshot even. Did you not realize thattheyre the same door? Enter it on blue team not Q team
I'm going to rate every character because I honestly think you guys haven't replayed the games recently
(holy fuck I'm sorry for the autism)
>999
>Ace: 9/10, pretty great
>Snake: 8/10, but absent most of the game
>Santa: 5/10, had two moments
>Clover: 3/10, axe and that's it
>Junpei: 8/10, great dialogue but ultimately a bit generic
>Akane: 8/10, same as above, and the twist happens after she's already gone
>Seven: 6/10, he's a bro ultimately doesn't get to do much or have interesting dialogue
>Lotus: 8/10, pretty good character all things considered
>9th man: 1/10 because he instantly dies, gets 1 because at least some backstory
>VLR
>Clover: 2/10, fucking terrible
>Alice: 1/10, you know why
>Sigma: 10/10, no comment needed
>Luna: 8/10, she's great but she's usually dead weight in puzzle rooms dialogue-wise
>Phi: 10/10, pretty based
>Tenmyouji: 8/10, he's good when he's not MUH QUARK, which is unfortunately most of the game
>Dio: 7/10, glorious bastard
>K: 7/10, fairly good
>Quark: 2/10, and I'm being generous
>ZTD
>Diana: 8/10, sleep with me
>Sean: 9/10, no head
>Carlos: 10/10 months
>Sigma: 9/10, watered down from VLR, but bucket and cat puns
>Phi: 8/10, same reason as snake
>Junpei: 9/10, best version of the character
>Eric: 7/10, best absolute madman of the series
>Mira: 5/10, she's not completely bad
>Akane: 7/10, a bit boring but has the banter and yandere mode
So yeah, ZTD has the best characters
>>344567013
I thought you could only take the blue pass on hard
>>344568438
you get silver files if you get blue pass on easy
>>344568317
need to try becausewhen I found it on the alternate timeline with Sigma and Diana after the transporter the code seemed to be words I thinkhow am I even supposed to know they're the same door though?
>>344568396
>So yeah, ZTD has the best characters
Delete this post.
>>344568396
>>Junpei: 9/10, best version of the character
>>Mira: 5/10, she's not completely bad
>>Akane: 7/10, a bit boring but has the banter and yandere mode
>>344568182
You're shitting me.
Well then, I guess I'm waiting for these pictures.
>>344568396
In wake of your shit tastes:
Why is Ace calling someone over in the promotional art for 999?
What's the deeper meaning?
>>344568608>how am I even supposed to know they're the same door though?Because they're back to back on the flowchart
>>344568396
sasuga Clover hater
>>344568608because theyre the only doors that look like that. Plus if you inspect it after the twins birthday Q end, D team will also find that on the door
>>344568396
>999 is the only japanese thing I have ever played/watched/read the post
>>344568850
It's his right hand, so he's doing that thing where he holds his hand out while talking. Like, half his sprites are doing it.
>>344568775
Somebody post the QDeltapicture of him always being there for this anon please.
>>344568850
Why does Seven look like a filthy gorilla? What's the deeper meaning?
>>344569015
They drew a jap that actually looks like a jap
>>344568396
>>Clover: 3/10, axe and that's it
And you're wanting people to take this list seriously?I really liked ZTD too, but goddamn that is some shit taste.
>>344569197
Try actually playing the game
>game arrived twenty minutes ago
>no watch
>credits rolling
wew
>>344568396
I agree with all of that except your ratings of ztd characters. Lower them all by like 5except carlosand you have a 10/10 list there.
>>344568775
>character model never shown even when you should be able to see him and the camera pans
>no but you see you can see the shadow now so it's ok
it was really a poorly delivered twist but god forbids if you say it in one of these threads
>>344566864
>Q sucked
You better be talking about Delta, Sean was one of the only good ones.
>>344569425
why are you in this thread
>>344569425
>"you win your freedom"
>win freedom
>die in explosion immediately after
wew
So... tell me about snails. Why do they wear a shell?
>>344569918
The shell is the snail.
The slug is the living creature that pulls the shell around.
>>344568038
Sean was always Sean and he knew his name from the beginning as did Mira and Eric, the game tricked you into thinking he learned it in his talk with Zero because you thought he was called Q when he actually never was.
>>344570270
>because you thought he was called Q
no I didn't
that should've been readily apparent from the status screen
Do you think Uchi knows people don't enjoy his final game?
What do you think he feels like if he does?
>>344570463
Then what's the problem?
>>344570502
He's probably aware that a lot of people are displeased with the ending, but people just don't want to go and tell him "wow Uchi this ending fucking sucks" on his face
>>344570051
so Sean is a snail? with the head being the shell?
>>344570270
why didn't Sean ask about the old guy in the section where he asks about Zero, Mira and Eric relationship and the other thing?
>>344561119
>Does Uchi actually thinks ZTD's ending is good?
He just said he made it on purpose and he knew lots of people will complain about how ZTD ends.
>>344570584
That was a different anon.
As for the explanation, I'll take your word for it.
>>344570634
The voting scene occurs after they've been awake for some time and are looking around the rooms, the old man who can't talk or hear is something you would ask about immediately rather than waiting for small chat, so it most likely happened before the scene started.
>>344570676
Why the fuck would he give the trilogy that made him famous such a terrible conclusion on purpose
After all the overtly sentimental tweets about how we made ZTD possible no less
>in b4 C O M P L E X M O T I V E S
>>344570676
Where did he say this?
Did he mean he mad it "bad" on purpose?
After thinking about this game since it released, my biggest problem with it(besides the ayy lmao transporter and C O M P L E X)is how the returning characters are portrayed. Akane turns into a yandere psycho at a moment's notice and doesn't really demonstrate her near omnipotent knowledge of other timelines and visions of the future. While I understand that Junpei has seen some shit, it seemed really drastic how much he changed in just a year. Sigma and Phi were alright, but Phi in particular barely got any time to shine, and her voice delivery in English felt oddly worse compared to VLR.
Honestly, if Junepi and Akane just weren't in the game I would probably like it a lot more. They just got on my nerves more than anything and didn't really feel like the same characters. I was hoping for some kind of twist at the end revealing they weren't who they claimed they were due to how off they felt.
>>344571105
>While I understand that Junpei has seen some shit, it seemed really drastic how much he changed in just a year.
Fuck off, Akane.
>>344557178
>When he says he'll ally but you've seen into the morphogenic field.
>>344571105
People keep saying Uchikoshi only wrote for D team although I'm not sure where this information is coming from so it's up to you if you believe it I guess.
>>344571105
Pretty much. The character assassination of Akane is fucking brutal in this one.
I spent the entire game waiting for her to drop the cutesy/yandere act and get serious and machiavellian like in VLR and partly 999. That moment never came.
desu I was also expecting Junpei to call her out on her hypocritical bs, on being the first Zero, etc. Also how she has no problem shifting in the reactor room and killing her counterpart from another history, but suddenly having everybody shift at the end of the game killing their oblivious counterparts IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY is suddenly SOOOOOO CONTROVERSIAL.
tl;dr fuck ZTD Akane. The game would've been so much better without her.
>>344568396
>>9th man: 1/10 because he instantly dies, gets 1 because at least some backstory
9th man is the best character of the series because he has like 1/100th of screen time and yet is just as memorable.
>>344557541
It's from when a loli was incinerated because of sudoku.
>>344571603
>Sure, this could be a better idea!
5 mins later.
>Should I be surprised that this person helped make 2 games of life and death?
>>344566726
He is a hypocrite.
He is a whiny baby.
He likes Mira.
He looks like Ringo Starr and John Lennon's bastard child.
>>344571419
Yeah I've heard that too. It's an interesting theory and it'd definitely explain a lot. Haven't seen any sources confirming it either.
Alright guys vita or 3ds, which do i get
>>344571879
>Kubota
>best
fuck that. here's an actual good character despite minimum screen time.
>>344558520
I'm not really into saying what team is bestespecially because I am a cuck who only prefers Team C solely because of Carlos, but what the FUCK happened to Team D? Wasn't it written by Uchi?
I mean, people say it's the obviously the best because of this but - like the other teams - I just saw it as a collection of problems.
>>344557503
With the same power a little girl axed 4 people, including two men stronger than her.
>>344566726
He's spineless and constantly flipflopping
Stupid
If that's not bad enough he's also stubborn
>>344571728
That whole dilemma, in addition to being out if nowhere and nonsense for the reasons you said, it doesn't even have much justification for existing. NOT SHIFTing only results in seeing all of the characters die. There's no added story from seeing this outcome, as it's obvious that would happen if you didn't SHIFT. I feel like "throw your past self under the bus to survive" should've had more interesting consequences but the choice is so fucking obvious and required to advance the game. It's literally pointless.
>>344571728
Read the prologue.
This Akane is early in her personal timeline and doesn't know much yet, most of the information she has on the future is just what Sigma and Phi has told her.
Even so, she does go pragmatic mode a few times, like when Radical-6 gets out and she just wipes Junpei's memory and leaves him at the drop of a hat.
I'm literally falling in love with Carlos and it's freaking me the fuck out.
I was turned on when he acted like a douche and told Akane he wanted to stick it in.
I was turned on when he was running around all bloodied up missing his left hand.
I was turned on when he busted through the door in his fireman suti.
Wtf is happening to me
>>344573082
>but the choice is so fucking obvious and required to advance the game. It's literally pointless.
Diana has a bunch of those too
>destroy transporter
>don't take antidote
>push button
>>344573142
I've heard people mentioning an epilogue (and you're talking about a prologue). Where would I find these?
>>344573142
This is the same Akane that got enough information to kidnap young Sigma, Clover and Alice before Christmas.
But then her powers stop working when she should receive other information
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