Why is he so fucking shit?
Even Genji and Hanzo contribute better than this pile of crap.
Because you can't aim.
his ult can be effective if you sneak up on enemies
>>344531671
Genji is one of the strongest characters in the game you shitter
>>344531928
>sneak
>while glowing red and shouting HEY GUYS EITHER KILL ME OR TAKE COVER!
>>344531671
because FTH doesn't bust tanks anymore.
A pretty simple solution would be slightly increasing the stun of flashbang and stopping people from sliding around when you stun them so that you can actually headshot + fan if you stun someone slippery.
>>344531671
>Let's make a tankbuster, who's only trick beyond landing a stun on a flanker stupid enough to rush him head on, is to melt tanks like a motherfucker
>"Oh god, why is he melting tanks!? Nerf now Blizzard!"
>>344531671
His headshot is one of the best in the game. You play him only if you are really good. Also Genji is probably the strongest character right now. His cancel animation combo, if perfectly executed, do something like 170 damage.
BUFF HIM
what time is it?
>The sharpshooter actually requires aim
>WWWAAAAAHHHH
He is shit now.. especially on consoles.
>favorite characters, McCree and Torb
>both getting nerfed
Thanks Blizzard.
>>344533565
He was never meant to be a tankbuster.
FTH was never meant to be so good, you can tell because the game's tool tips all tell you to use flash to line up headshots.
Does he play like an Ambassador Spy?
>>344536179
I really can't see what he was meant for then. People who like mediocre characters? Without FTH being so great, his kit is really aimless, and I'm not sure what he's supposed to do well.
He can't snipe as well as Widow/Hanzo
He's not very good up close anymore
His stun is incredibly short and can't work as a Crowd Control and can't be used to get him a kill anymore(Not that it should necessarily be an auto-kill)
Feels like the only role that could have in mind is "All-arounder", but 47 does that so much better, so I legit don't get what Mcree is supposed to do. Appeal to cowboy fetishists, I guess?
>playing Rein in a comp match
>McCree keeps just walking straight up and throwing a flashbang over shield
>no one shoots him ever despite him being right there by the cart
>call him out in team voice
>the team never cares until they get killed while my shield's down
>>344531671
Why does he have a belt buckle that says "BAMF"?
I can't even remember the last time i heard a completed high noon.
People just automatically fucking kill him so quickly when he starts now its actually hilarious.
>>344536674
>his face when it's high noon and I'm just staring him down with my shield up
>>344536461
He was meant to be an all rounder and hard counter to Tracer/Genji it seems.
However he got fucked insanely hard by damage drop off nerfs in beta so he's just kinda shit without fth.
Reminds me of Zen in that regard.
>>344536776
>my face when zarya shields in front of me waiting while i lock on her pathetic little head and as soon her shield goes down i pop her like the worthless russian blydo she is
>>344531671
Because people couldn't counter him so instead of learning, they bitched, he turned shit and boom here we are now.
>>344536078
> console
found your problem
>>344537537
>he turned shit
I will never understand this.
They didn't nerf him badly, they just raised his skill ceiling to the fucking skies.
He's still extremely fucking good if you ain't no shitter and know how to aim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdWJOs31IfY
Now everyone's playing 76 all the time, so I feel like I should get in on ground floor with McCree since without a doubt he's gonna get a slight buff back.
He should be able to kinda deal with Tracer better if nothing else, with flash + headshot being an instakill on her, while 76 has to lead a rocket at a rewind and finish it off with a few bullets.
Not sure how they really fix him. Lessen damage dropoff? Then he'd really be an all-rounder with almost all of his abilities based around short range, but his basic gun itself being surprisingly effective at long range.
Learn to headshot and he's excellent, only thing I want is a slight flashbang buff to make it easier to catch those fucking tracers
>play comp
>fight a good mcree that dodges everything
>>344536674
You need to be willing to pop it off early. It feels good to insta-kill the entire team, but doing a good chunk of damage to everyone is still a HUGE help, and will make them much softer when your team moves in.
>>344532109
>Not waiting for your team to engage with them before high nooning.
>Not doing this with every ult in the game so that the choice is die to them or die to me.
>>344536461
a decent dmg dealer and anti flanker was his intended purpose. A 420 dps rightclick with an instant reload somehow seemed ok to blizzard
>>344536776
>Not charging him
Interrupting Ults with charge is hilarious
>IT'S HIGH-YAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGH
>>344536179
I definitely think FTH was too OP before, but they neutered it way too much. It's pretty much useless now. You're better off left-clicking, even at point-blank range. I don't want it to go back to the massive damage monster it was, but it shouldn't be a "never use" skill. No skill should be.
>>344537630
People just don't seem to get this. Mcree was always really good, but everyone relied on FTH for actual kills.
You know that McCree that corner peaks at different rythms and bullies your roadhog and constantly gets headshots, using my ult to quick kill Mercy?
I'm that McCree.
I used him on a koth map last night in competitive mode and I had 2 people rage uncontrollably at me for doing it and threaten to report me for content trolling.
"If you're going to throw the game by using Mccree, go back to quickplay", they said.
Fuck competitive mode in this game. It's full of the most autistic pathetic people who want to use the same 6 heroes over and over again because the meta tells them to.
>>344536461
>140 damage shots are useless
Fucking what mate?
>>344532109
I'd say the best part about High Noon is just casting it and not shooting. That way, you bait everyone on the enemy team into running off of the point so they don't die, and you get 50% charge to do it again sooner.
>>344538210
>Wanting to win is bad
McCree is shit, anon. There's no reason to try and use him any more. Blizzard removed an entire ability on him.
>>344537630
>Half those kills happened because they were already at 10-30% HP when he went in on them
I mean, it's still super impressive, and the guy is really good, but I don't think that's much of a testament to Mcree being that great. He was just mopping up for most of it.
>>344538082
>mfw charging three people off a cliff last night
>got potg
Character is so fun it should be illegal.
>>344538371
>Mcree is shit
Explain how 140 damage shots in close to mid range is fucking bad?
>>344538371
>they removed the only ability i was good with baaawaaa he's shit noooo :CCCC
>>344538450
I'm not him, but fuck you man. FTH was OP, but there's no reason to make an ability completely garbage. Mcree as a whole is still good, but his rightclick is a dead button. It may as well not be there, and there's no excuse for that.
>>344538384
>they w-were already h-hurt!11
Learn what a fucking headshot is, punk.
>>344537824
I don't think people realize that it actually does damage to people even with it not fully filled out, and a pretty decent chunk at that. 170 damage built up per second you wait isn't bad to just shoot out.
>>344538513
You do realize that it can still kill Tracer genji soldier Phara and anyone with 200 hp or under right? Even if it misses two bullets It will still put them at 5 hp. How shit do you have to be so it misses every shot?
>>344538513
The ability isn't garbage, FtH + headshot and you melt pretty much everything you could have melted before.
>>344538513
It's not garbage, but it's best used to get in a hit against a low health tracer when you've used your flashbang. It's still 45x6 in less than a second so can be used to melt tanks IF YOUR TEAM HELPS
>>344538524
>Elimination 10
>Elimination 15
>Elimination 30
It quite clearly shows they weren't at full HP.
>>344538412
because you can do similar damage as 76 while having mobility, surviability, utility, long range burst, a better/more reliable ult, among other things
>>344538675
Soldier has to waste a fucking cooldown to even come close to that amount of damage in a split second what nigger. Do you even play the game? Besides that solider can't stun and stop ultimate's.
>>344538609
how the fuck do you headshot someone after you've FtH and now have an empty gun
>>344538675
>a better/more reliable ult,
Disagree there. As mentioned >>344538553 here, it's only bad if you insist on fully charging it, it can do a good chunk to a ton of people, very easily.
>>344538596
You really can't, actually. The stun is so short and the damage on FTH is so shit that landing 4/6 of the shots is next to impossible.
>>344538751
You do realize you can head shot then fan right? You don't need all 6 to fan the hammer it will fire whatever you have in the gun.
>>344538596
Unless you hit it instantly Tracer can still escape.
That's not even taking into account dash ability fuckery with stun moves.
The stun is probably a wee bit too short for him rn.
>>344538801
>Being this bad
No you land every shot if you can control the recoil. All I am seeing is a mcree shitter who can't even aim fan that is upset right now.
>>344538836
Tracer is the only one who can get out of it quickly Compared to all the other people it still kills.
He's like a fucking sniper. I don't know how people are bad at him. I only use fan the hammer for fast moving targets like junkrats tire.
>>344538412
Do you go on Tumblr, anon? You should probably go back, cause you speak like a tumblr user
>>344538751
>headshot + fan 5 bullets
Are you retarded?
>>344538626
listen fuckhead, here are the hard numbers behind McCree's kit
Time of Flashbang Stun: .7s
Time of Flashbang kickback (before McCree can act after throwing one): .2s
Time it takes to fire 6 rounds of FtH: 1s.
This means that at most, you fire 3 rounds out of FtH while that person is stunned.
45 x 3 (+ 25 from the FB) = 160.
Even if by some miracle the first three bullets from FtH land (which they won't thanks to the random spread that you have zero control over), it will NEVER be enough to kill a 200 HP hero from full HP.
>>344531671
Erron Black should fuck off back to MKX
>>344538961
He's like a sniper with shit damage at anything beyond close range.
So not like a sniper at all.
>>344538983
So you don't have an actual rebuttal do you?
>>344538817
FtH has never ever had the ability to headshot.
Please stop talking about McCree balance when you've clearly never played the character. If you tried him you would know how shit he really is.
>>344538308hey whoa there
That's before dam falloff, and besides, getting a headshot with that revolver isn't a guaranteed deal
>>344538998
>headshot: 140
>FTH: 160
>implying you're not going to kill everything but tanks with that combo
Shitter.
You're a shitter.
Begone now.
>>344532006
This is objectively untrue and his comp pickrate reflects this. Most high level players agree that his ult is far too weak, some going as far as to call it an activatable nerf. Most high level players also know how to play around reflect, like by aiming AoE at the ground or waiting it out, since Genji can't cancel out of it unless he uses dash. Also, many of the highly picked characters are strong against Genji.
source: my well-informed ass.
>>344539038
He still does 70 damage from long range while not as good compared to hanzo or widowmaker that is still fucking great damage for a hit scan weapon.
>>344539098
Holy shit you fucking retard you stun them shoot them in the head then fan the hammer with the last 5 bullets what's not too get do you have fucking autism?
>>344538742
okay if you want to interupt ults then play fucking Roadhog, the guy that can actually kill the people he stuns
>>344533565
>tankbuster
no, his job is to kill annoying fucks like tracer, genji and lucio which is why his flashbang will never be nerfed
>>344539098
>FtH has never ever had the ability to headshot.
BUT HE ISN'T SAYING YOU CAN HEADSHOT WITH FAN THE HAMMER, YOU FUCKING RETARD
FUCKING POP A NIGGA IN THE HEAD AND THEN FAN HIS FUCKING SHIT OFF
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST HOW FUCKING RETARDED CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE
READING COMPREHENSION YOU FUCKING IDIOT
>>344536461
he was meant to be the anti-flanker, how is that not obvious?
>>344539171
>Roadhog
>The guy that gives the enemy team free ultimates
>the worst tank in the game
>over a damage dealer who can stun and deal with flankers
Your pleb and bias is showing here anon.
>>344539157
>lmao just headshot the Genji and Tracer at point blank range ;)
Yeah, or I could just play someone that doesn't instantly die the moment you miss a headshot
>when you murderfuck the entire enemy team
>Overhyped Shit
kys
>>344538912
Genji suffers from that bullshit that infests Roadhog's hook where if he dashes at the same time he'll sometimes wind up flying off in a random direction.
Soldier it's pretty reliable on but if he's letting McCree get close to him he's probably fucked without stun anyway.
McCree definitely needs some changes but you don't want him going back to his faceroll status.
>>344539269
>missing a headshot
There is your problem.
Don't complain about the hero if you're shit with it, scrub.
>>344539160
it's actually the same as 76's headshot DPS but 76 can also land long range rockets to finish people off
also 76 doesn't instantly die the moment a tank looks at him
>>344539324
If anything the only change he needs is a change to his fall off damage and that's it.
>>344539381
>mcree and 76 have the same health
>>344538168
No I dont because every McCree gets shat on violently
>>344539381
You do realize mcree and soldier have the same amount of health right? Anything that can kill mcree kills solider of course unless you are talking about running away from a team fight if so why are you even playing the game?
>>344539470
stop playing in quickplay then
>>344531671
>I don't know how to play Ambassador Spy
>>344538210
>Bitching about people that want to win and so use the methods that are most guaranteed to get one.
>>344539339
>this character has zero moblity
>zero defensive options
>a 6 shot round, with a delay and aimpunch between each shot
>second worst HP in the game
>limited lethal range
>but he is fine just never miss XD
And the funny thing is, if "lmao never miss" was actually right people would still be playing him in Tournaments and shit but HEY GUESS WHAT
>>344539293
I've had this feeling a couple times.
Are you also told by your teammates to stop playing Reaper, or my favorite, "We already have 3 Reapers"?
Fucker, if we have 4 reapers, why am I the only one getting kills? We don't have 4, we have 1 Reaper and 3 targets that run head-on.
>>344539442
>>344539485
And you realize Sprint is actually a great tool at getting out of a tank's close range and can also heal himself to full the moment he gets around a corner
What the fuck can McCree, stun them for half a second and slowly walk backwards? lol
>>344539442
>>344539485
To be fair he CAN pop healing beacon.
>>344539262
>thinking Roadhog is bad
>when he has become standard or at least second tier pick on most Pro teams
Your use of pleb is really ironic here
>>344539534
>zero mobility
Roll to escape, anon.
>zero defensive
Flashbang has way more uses than you think, not just to stun and kill.
>6 shot round with a delay
yeah, .4s delay, how criminal.
>second worst HP in the game
So you're saying that low hp is what makes a shitty hero? tell it to tracer and zenyatta.
>Limited lethal range
You can pop pharahs quite easily if, again, you know how to aim.
>I CAN'T AIM WITH MCCREE SO HE'S SHIT, HERE'S MY LIST OF RETARDED REASONS WHY HE'S SHIT BUT LETS NOT FUCKING ADD THAT I CAN'T AIM FOR SHIT AND FTH WAS THE ONLY WAY I COULD GET KILLS WITH HIM
Pathetic.
>>344539627
>stun the tank
>roll away
Also in what situation is the tank not charging or hooking the solider who runs away and why the fuck are we using 1v1 situations to say how good a character is when it's a team game. Mcree is amazing when in team comps because he can cover your guys flank to make sure no one sneaks up and then he can pick off people at low hp or flank him self one shotting the whole enemy team with high noon or wounding them greatly and breaking almost all their shields.
>>344537630
>countering 840 damage after being stunned
How
>>344539765
Nigga he has not been standard yet quit spouting lies Roadhog while being good at defense is total shit for offense.
>>344539627
>what is rolling
Are you shitters even trying?
>>344539815
What?
840?
Mccree's headshot is 140, anon.
>>344539293
How do you git gud at playing Reaper?
I find it hard to sneak up on anyone.
>>344539770
>Roll
That doesn't even get you out of Reinhardt's hammer range lmao
>Flashbang defenisvely
.07s isn't enough time to do anything when all you can do is walk slow as shit
>not mentioning the aimpunch and recoil
nice one pal ;)
>saying Zenyatta is good
Uuuhhhhhhhh.....
>having to land 3 headshots on a Pharah is fine just learn to aim XD
Again, if learning to aim was the problem with McCree, people that play this game for money, with often 50-60% Accuracy rating would still be picking McCree. But guess what! THEY FUCKING DON'T
BECAUSE MEDICORE KILLING POWER AT MID RANGE DOESN'T MAKE UP FOR THE LAUNDRY LIST OF DRAWBACKS MCCREE HAS IN HIS KIT YOU FUCKING DOLT
Why am I arguing with you, you are probably some Tracer main that's happy to see your only counter in the dumpster
>mfw I still play McCree a lot
>mfw I still win 90% of my games
>mfw I still have a 58% accuracy with McCree
>mfw I still get headshots left and right with his left click
I fucking love that McCree got nerfed. It scared away all the FtH shitters that kept picking him, so now I'm pretty much the only one playing McCree and it feels fucking fantastic.
>>344540071
>Three headshots
It takes one headshot two body shots or 4 body shots quit being bad
>>344539262
>the worst tank in the game
>Roadhog's supposed to tank because the category he's in says so!
Individual thought escapes you.
>>344539790
What fucking version of Overwatch does everyone play where Combat roll suddely moves McCree the same distance as Genji's dash
>>344540071
>people that play this game for money
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>344539770
Tracer has 300 hp and Zenyatta is shit though
>>344540198
The combat roll while not as far as Genjis dash rolls the same amount of distance as meis beam.
mfw genji main and due macree's nerf, no one is playing him anymore
>>344540071
I think you should quit being angsty about Mccree, you were probably a mccree main until the nerf.
Roll and flashbang can be used to escape harsh situations, if you want mobility over all then just fucking play genji.
>3 headshots
>pharah suddenly has more than 400 hp
Are you dense or are you just pissing the bucket for the sake of it?
>mccree's kit
I think you should just fuck off back to whatever moba you came from, as you can't accept the fact that Mccree is still very good if you're not a shitter and can aim properly, given his very good output damage with the Peacekeeper.
As a side note, Mccree isn't picked anymore in Comp because you don't bring a revolver to a fight against an assault rifle, anon.
>>344540191
what the fuck Pharah's are you playing against where they fight McCree in his lethal range
Like here's a fun fact about McCree's totally awesome and enough to carry an entire class M1; it's falloff kicks in at 18 feet, and it kicks in harshly, to the point where bodyshots go from 70-35 at abount 35 feet.
Soldier 76 doesn't even experince falloff until 35. And how long is 18 feet in this game? Well Genji's dash takes you about 15 feet.
So If Genji dashes away from McCree, that's enough where his headshots only start doing 110-ish damage.
So again, what the fuck Pharah's you are playing in your wood league MMR
>>344540296
>tracer has 300hp
We are reaching new levels of shitposting.
I can sense it, the fabrics of reality in this thread are slowly decading, we're approaching the shitposting singularity where people suddenly stop arguing because they're either bored\can't win and everything turns into a big shitfest of shitposting fucks.
Such is life on /v/.
>>344540034
Reaper is one of the few characters who should be going solo and picking off solo targets.
Use teleport to put yourself into a position where you can move into a better position, don't teleport directly to that position.
>>344540425
>wood league
Finally, the retarded LoL freak has revealed his powerlevel.
You belong to somewhere else.
>>344536461
He melts people at medium range and prevents flankers from fucking up your backline, plus area denial and the occasional teamwipe with ult
>>344540415
Why would you want to play as the only offensive character in the game that can't
-Self Heal
-Run/Dash/Teleport
-Get to high ground
-use skills with invincibility frames
all because you can click on peoples heads for decent damage
>>344540779
>area denial
FUCKING THIS
WHY CAN'T MCCREE PLAYERS REALIZE THAT WASTING AN ULT OVER A POINT TO LET THE ENEMIES SCATTER AND LET YOUR TEAM CAPTURE IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD IDEA?
SHITTERS RUNNING AWAY TO HIDE WHILE GIVING YOUR TEAM GROUND IS ACTUALLY EXTREMELY FUCKING USEFUL, GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
>attack on Hanamura as Zen
>approach point with a Mcree on my team, no one there to contest
>however there is a Torbjorn turret and Symmetra turrets
>Mcree walks onto point and gets shot at
>I use transcendence to allow him to destroy turrets without us getting killed
>he literally just stand there and waits for the enemies to come and contest and does nothing to the turrets
>transcendence ends, we both die
>lose the game, someone says something about our team being trash
>it's the Mcree
>>344540892
Because he deals more damage then all of those on top of having a stun witch they don't have a aoe stun at that.
>>344540892
There, pissing the bucket.
The fabric, anon, the fucking fabric is near.
>>344540725
>can't disprove that McCree's falloff makes his "amazing" LMB actually pretty shit
>must....deflect...harder
I would actually love to see you play McCree. Probably wonder how you can pick a character that doesn't auto win games like Tracer and Reaper do now.
>>344540965
You even get 50% charge back if you cancel it early
>>344541014
>Because he deals more damage
>>344541063
>Reaper
>auto winning
What?
>>344541014
McCree does not outdamage Reaper or Pharah and only barely does more then 76 while needing to have 60% headshot accuracy to accomplish that
>>344541063
There is nothing to disprove, as headshots damage doesn't fall off.
You're just picking up straws and excuses to shitpost even more.
You're just a shitter that can't play aim-based classes at all and blame the "hero kit" for being retarded.
>>344541212
>There is nothing to disprove, as headshots damage doesn't fall off.
Not him but really? So you get 140 headshot damage at all ranges?
>>344540725
But that's a common term from SC2.
>>344541146
well that's mostly a result of the meta, lots of people run Double Tanks and Reaper is about the only hero that can kill tanks quickly these days
>>344541014
>more damage
At close range Reaper shits on him
at mid range he's about equal to soldier and Tracer.
At far range soldier shits on him.
At all ranges Pharah shits on him (as far as damage goes)
>>344541205
>i can't aim, so mccree is shit
:^)
the funny part is, if you cant aim with mcree, you cant aim with soldiers 76 neither, but maybe the automatic rifle spammy bullshit makes up for your lack of aim alltogether, for the same reasons pharah's aoe damage makes up for retards who can't aim
>these are the same idiots who say that hanzo and widowmaker are shit
absolutely fucking laughable
>>344541281
Of course, are you retarded?
Headshots do not have a falldamage mechanic, anon, or hanzo and widowmaker would be literally useless.
>>344541281
>>344541212
No, headshots do fall off. At max range they only deal 70 (double bodyshot damage which scales down to 35) This dude has just exposed himself as someone that doesn't have more then an hour of McCree play time and yet thinks he can talk about how good he still is.
I think we are done here.
>>344541467
>headshots do fall off
So widowmaker hits for 25 after 20 yards, right?
Please.
>>344541431
Uhhh... anon, Hanzo and Widow don't have falloff at all because they are snipers. Literally everyone else with a hitscan weapon has falloff on everything including headshots.
Are you actually this retarded or...
>>344541339
Fact of the matter is that McCree as a character is subpar when compared to other characters. You can enjoy him and maybe even be great at him but he's outclassed mechanically by other characters.
>>344541431
Yes they do.
Hanzo and Widowmaker do not have fallof.
>>344541431
>are you retarded?
Oh the irony.
>>344541339
>not having world class aim is the same as having shit aim
:^) to you as well my friend
Also Widowmaker has a scope and Hanzo has more then generous hitboxes
>>344541431
Damn anon step up your game
Not ever weapon has falloff
>>344541212
>>344541541
>These are the people that think McCree is still viable and doesn't need a buff
HAHAHA YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP HAHAHA
McCree is one of my favorite characters in the game. It's a shame that he's in the same place that Reaper was before the McCree nerf.
No reason to use McCree when 76 exists.
>>344541556
>>344541562
>>344541620
>>344541708
>>344541753
>muh special class doesn't have fall off for headshots
There is no damage fall off for headshots in overwatch, period.
If you can't realize this, you probably never played the game, but i assume you're all one idiot samefagging to death.
>>344541541
some heroes have fall off other dont
mccree does, widow doesnt
>>344541541
>>344541467
Both of you faggots should know that some weapons have fall-off, some don't.
>>344541920
We're talking about headshots, anon.
No, they don't fall off.
>>344541893
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tb7xg_EmtkqgR7da6IDMcFjdEsFkefcW_78mAIRKp0w/edit#gid=2106552717
Maybe quit being a shitter
>>344541852
Reaper still saw a lot of play on maps that force a lot of prolonged CQC (KoTH in particular) because his passive and Wraith Walk made him better at McCree at holding points
But yeah there's nothing McCree does now that either 76 or Roadhog can do much, much better.
>>344541893
Do you think Pharah and Junkrat have falloff too?
>>344541974
if headshots didn't have falloff at all you realize Reaper would literally be sniping people from across the Well on Illios right, he doesn't have a lot of spread.
>>344541982
That chart shows damage fall off for bodyshots, not headshots.
We're talking about (((HEADSHOTS))), not bodyshots.
Of course there is a fucking damage fall off for anything that isn't a headshot or Reaper would be a mass sniping murderer.
Headshots, at least for hitscan weapons, never have fall damage, and this is a fact.
And you can't disprove me.
>>344542092
Reaper does full damage with headshots.
The funny part is, his spread is so strong he can barely hit anything after 2 meters.
>>344541965
I do know that, because it's fucking obvious as shit to anyone that played this game.
Basically Widowmaker is the only hitscan character to have no falloff, everyone else does (yes, even Bastion). Projectiles don't have falloff though, and that includes Torb's Rivets and Genji's Stars
>>344537537
The only person having trouble adapting here is you. McCree is fine, he's not as broken as he used to be but he's a god tier midranger.
>>344542182
Go to the practice range. Headshot a bot at close range as McCree. Then do it again at a long range.
There, I just disproved you.
>>344542303
Killed both with one shot, what now? :^)
>>344542002
Yeap he's regulated to quick play for me now. Oh well just means I play Zarya more.
>>344542365
now you are just shitposting, the bots have 200 HP anon...
>>344539770
>cowboy man has mobility because of his roll
you're not supposed to start with the most retarded part of your bait
>>344542526
They actually have 100 hp, anon.
Or Mccree has no damage fall off.
Your take. :^)
>>344531671
>stun enemy
>click once on the head
>get kills
People just have to stop right-clicking with him.
>>344542626
http://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Training_bot
Please shut the fuck up and never talk about McCree's balance again
>>344542626
0/10
>>344542734
NOOO MCCREE IS SHIT ANON PLZ DON'T PLAY WITH HIM IT TRIGGERS ME STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE MCCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>344542182
refer to >>344541982
Of course at this point you're in full-on damage control mode by going >I was just pretending ;)
I love how every single one of these threads is people screaming about how badly they suck at using a character/countering a character and demanding buffs/nerfs to counteract their badness.
>>344542803
>>344542824
I was right then, mccree has no damage fall off.
He never had one, of course, but i wouldn't expect you shitters to understand basic conversation mechanics.
>A tank buster begins to get out of hand because an ability he has is extremely accurate 2hich can lead to multiple body shots even from long range.
>Instead of nerfing the accuracy they instead gut the ducking damage to make it nearly useless.
>no longer able to perform his job: McCree is now one of the worse characters in the game due to a neutered and aimless kit.
Blizzard has a history of being fucking retarded with balance issues. I'm fully expecting him to be over buffed straight into cancer tier after two or so months.
>>344542941
see >>344542872 then please for the love of god kill yourself
>>344542872
>le screenshot
Make a video or fuck off with your photoshopped shit.
>>344542959
>tank buster
read blue posts if you're going to comment on dev intent
>>344542959
Mcree was never a tank buster though faggot post one source from blizzard saying he is?
>>344542959
>kit
You don't fool anyone anymore, anon.
>>>/out/
>>344543034
>everything that doesn't agree with me is fake and gay!
>>344543034
>Man makes a photo is proof it's fake
>If I just say their wrong it's proof
That's not how it works.
>>344543130
People would sell their own mothers to win an argument on 4chan, anon.
>>344542182
S76 has 100% accuracy for the first 4 shots he fires, so GOOD players burst fire for anyone they fight at range.
>>344542734
but thats only 165 damage
as soon as the stun wears off half the cast in the game can hit shift to run away/go immune and McCree cant do shit about it
>>344542959
McCree was meant to counter flankers not tanks. Blizzard has always said that Reaper was meant to be the tank buster.
>>344541893
>>344542182
>>344542626
>>344542365
>>344542941
>>344543034
wew
How many (You)s is that
>>344531671
>Be McCree
>Run around corner
>OH SHIT AN ENEMY
>Mash E
>GOT YOU NOW FUCKER
>Right click
>OH SHIT HE DIDNT DIE
>Panic
>Press shift
>Right click again
>Miss most bullets
>Get killed instead
>Make thread on /v/
>>344543235
165 damage is good enough to kill tracer and zen on top of being able to pretty much mortally wound everyone with 200 hp while still having 5 shots left. Also even if they are running you fags seem to be forgetting mcree hit scan even when you run he can stilll shoot them down with ease.
>>344543235
What people fast enough do is shoot them once in the head and then instantly fth. It does more damage than just fanning them now.
>>344531671
Because he was definitely broken at first, but Blizzard's knee jerked reaction was to nerf him into the ground to make him useless. FTH is now the most pointless attack in the game, and in every situation it is just better to aim for a headshot even if you stun the enemy.
>>344543350
if you try that against a Genji he will just mash out an E and that will get you killed
>>344531671
>Nerf his Fan to not kill tanks
>Now it still kills tanks easily but fails to kill Genji and Tracer reliably, the two characters it was meant to kill
They fucked up, he can still dumpster people if you can headshot but he is in no way shape or form the hero he's supposed to be anymore.
If they made his stun actually go its full duration when boots were on the ground he'd be a lot better. Tracer and Genji players are starting to auto-jump/Dash the instant they see one so like all things retarded in overwatch the stun is active while they are flying through the air like they normally would be and wears off the instant they touch the ground. So now you have to mid-air dome someone flying at a strange trajectory each time.
Should have just changed his fan to do
70-70-70-10-10-10(...)Including roll. damage instead of the laziest possible nerf ever that keeps him a tank killer, but makes him actively worse against the people he's supposed to kill.
>>344543276
>using a modded client to show me i'm wrong
HAHAHAHAH OH COME ON MAN, YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP.
Blizzard's gonna be on your ass for your blatant modification of data files, anon.
>>344539534
>>second worst HP in the game
Mad McCree main detected. 80% of the heroes in the game have 200hp.
>>344543490
does that stop it from being the second lowest in the game?
guys it's pretty obvious this guy is just pretending to be retarded at this point just stop replying
>>344543483
Cmon, that's weak as fuck.
I know you're only pretending but not replying at all is much more effective bait than doing something so obvious.
>>344543571
It's tied with something like 13 other heroes and it's not used an excuse for any of them except for a hero like pharrah. You're being a little disingenuous bitch when you argue like that.
>>344543627
>>344543632
>le pretending to be retarded meme
Yeah, sure, that's how you just give up arguing with me, apparently you got tired of making up stuff with photoshop\game mods to prove that "i'm wrong".
Fucking pathetic fucks, all of you.
I will be headshotting y'all idiots with my golden mccree revolver and there is nothing you can do about it.
>>344543445
Well yeah but it's really easy to bait out reflect from bad Genjis.
>>344543760
but all those heroes also have either mobility or sustain or both, McCree has neither
>>344543571
It's equivalent to those misleading graphs from Fox news that make a 2% difference look like 80%
>>344543887
Mcree has roll and flash bang motherfucker you can use for defense too you realize this right? If you are using them solely for just killing people stop playing mcree.
It's one thing to have spammed McCree when he was broken because you thought it was enjoyable or funny, it's another to think you were legitimately skilled for 420 FtH blaze it and raging at blizzard for nerfing it. McCree main tears are the most delicious.
>>344544075
This.
Jesus fucking christ, learn to aim or fuck off with your "lol mccree is bad now mkay" memes.
>>344543858
Herein lies the problem as soon as they learn the matchup is one-sided as fuck in Genji's favor.
Mcree should be the one buttfucking Genji every time he's within range. Same for Tracer. If Mcree gets within Flashbang range they should be dead, no ifs ands or buts. They have a million options to evade him, yet still have chances to get away even when he flashbangs them.
>>344543993
too bad it doesn't stun them long enough to actually get away from anything
>>344544241
This desu.
If McCree can barely kill a squishy with flash then he ain't getting away from someone.
>>344544241
but it does let's say you are in the right of Numbani off to the left of the payload in the cafe. A stun and roll can clear that whole Cafe because they can react to it and do anything to stop you. That is just one fucking example. Yes if you are out right in the open like the Zen Garden in Hanamarua it can't go anywhere but he is not meant to be in out in the open like the other heros.
>>344540519
She does though
Theres no way of killing her while the backtrack is up
>>344544148
He certainly isn't good now, though.
He holds no real place with 76 being better hitscan ranged attacker that can move faster, do better burst damage even from outside of his ideal range, and heal himself and others.
Likewise, now Reaper is the tankbuster he was meant to be which is what McCree used to be doing.
>>344543887
Welcome to the party, mccree main. You now get to feel the pain of zen pickers. I hope you had fun being OP.
>>344544148
So the people playing this game professionally need to learn how to aim, is that it
>>344544720
They literally pick the most broken and easy to execute heroes. Mindlessly posting pro stats proves shit.
>>344544720
Exactly.
Of course you're never going to take the comp community of Ovewatch as a reliable source, for pretty much every single game turns into a 2 lucio 2 tracer 2 winston if shtf.
>>344544720
>Double Lucio
I mean I know why but wouldn't Mercy/Lucio be more effective?
>>344544513
I never really picked McCree outside of when a Tracer/Genji got too annoying.
Now I'm pissed there's no one left to keep those two cunts in check
>>344544908
Speed and healing son
>>344544952
I have 8 hours on Mcree over everyone, simply because I cannot fucking stand playing against Tracers and Genji's due to how poorly equiped the rest of the cast is to deal with them.
I cannot stand those characters.
>>344544908
most of the time Comp uses KoTH maps and Mercy is pretty bad on those, too hard to keep her alive
Still mandatory on CP/Payload maps though
>>344545086
That makes sense
>>344544876
Doesn't that just prove McCree has to try twice as hard to get the same results as Tracer/Soldier/Reaper though? Like in fighting games there is a term for Characters like that and it's called "Low Tier shit"
>>344545187
Yes.
However for some reason the Overwatch fanbase cannot accept that their "main" could be subpar.
>>344545187
Flashbang is what makes him important though. Every time someone complains about a Reaper wrecking them, a McCree should be able to deal with them.
>>344545450
>McCree is a Reaper counter
The shit you read on this site.
>>344545450
And do what? Annoy the Reaper into ghosting to a health pack?
>>344545378
>fanbase cannot accept that their "main" could be subpar.
Why do you faggots have a single "main"? You should have at least 5 characters that you are comfortable with?
>>344545450
McCree can't kill him in time. Reaper will just go invisible and grab a health pack.
>>344545583
Flashbang + headshot you bring him to 15% hp, forcing him to wraith and move away for a healthpack.
If he doesn't find one, he's dead.
>>344545187
The problem with McCree is that 76 does his job and does it better. Also in pro scene a good hero might not get picked just because the counter to that hero is very popular.
Zarya started getting picked more and because of that you saw a drop off in Symmetra and some drop off in Junkrat.
Tanks started to see a lot more play after the McCree nerf, so Reaper is getting picked a lot more.
>>344545665
>rolling into his healthpack
>watch as reaper weeps smokey tears
because overwatch is a game that rewards the classes that have to aim the least
look at comp
Winston, Pharah, Zarya, Reaper (sure he has to aim but missing one or two shots doesn't shit on his damage as much as others) Lucio
Half of these classes literally need to be within half a screen of you to damage you
Classes that actually need to aim like Hanzo, Genji, Mcree just get shit on in this game.
Dont get me started on the fucking tumor that is lucio. If you're a class that has to aim, you can hit him once, then he uses his movespeed to sidestep all over the place and by the time you hit him again he's passively healed the damage you did with the first shot. Lucio is cancer and needs to be gutted immediately.
>>344545673
Any Reaper worth their salt is going to be aware of nearby health packs and escape routes if necessary.
>>344545792
>Hanzo
>Needing to aim
>>344545943
>hanzo
>even remotely viable whatsoever
>character that fires arrows that need to be charged and has literally no other way of attacking other than melee
yes, he does need to aim
>>344538345
Found the sub 50
>>344546038
People in the last tournament were running double Hanzo teams.
>>344545792
The hitbox for hanzo's arrow is the size of a football. Just use the second tick of his cross hair for any range that like 5 meters to 25 meters. But widowmaker just happens to outclass him all the way around.
>>344538345
>best part about highnoon is that you can't get kills with it
>>344546038
>Arrow hitboxes that can literally kill you around corners without 20tick shenanigans
>Scatter arrow
No, he does not.
Zarya and Lucio have to aim more than Hanzo.
And Pharah needs to aim the most, non direct hits are pathetic.
>>344546048
That is actually a legit strategy people do in tournament games or they used to.
Reinhardt would stand in front of him on the payload and McCree would high noon behind the shield making everyone scatter and allowing a free push for a little bit.
>>344543853
there's nothing you can do with it either :^)
>When a McCree tries to stun + fan me as Roadhog
NOT TODAY, COWBOY
>>344545583
Then why the hell do I counter him all the time as McCree? It's not my fault you're a shit McCree.
>>344546440
So it is just a more useless version of dva's ult that requires teamwork?
>>344546554
I mean a McCree has to get really lucky but he can still technically kill a roadhog.
Stun, Headshot, Fan, Roll, Fan. Does enough to kill Roadhog. It's unlikely but still possible.
>>344546554
I think he's more deformed under the mask
>>344546712
Because you play shitters?
>>344546741
Anon there is no ult that is more useless than D.Va's ult.
Another reason people did it was McCree used to have his ult up nonstop because of how much damage he did. So if he wasted it, it didn't matter because he'd have it up a minute later again anyways.
>>344546812
Nope, you're bad.
>>344546892
Which is more likely?
You've discovered this brand new hard counter that nobody knows about?
Or that you're playing shitters?
>>344547121
>nobody heard about
>headshot+flashbang+headshot
Or if he wraiths after the initial headshot, use roll to chase him, a reaper wont constantly camp around a healthpack
![[Raughs].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JzPpRLs.jpg "[Raughs].jpg")
>>344542469
>bugles on his fingers to make them pointy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhBriVylcAU
Whoa there...
>>344547405
As a reaper player, why would I not just go invisible after the first headshot. Why would I just continue to let you flashbang me unless you snuck up behind me? And if you are sneaking up behind me, then I am failing as a reaper.
People who couldn't aim/headshot relied too much in stun+fth, which was a combo powerful enough that made the Mccree pick worthy, because you know, any shitter could do the combo without too much problem.
Now that fth is no longer free, Mccree skill cap has effectively increased since players now need to constantly land headshots to make the pick worth, something shitters cannot do. This makes heroes such as Reaper and 76 the next safest pick.
Even then, McCree isn't that used in tournaments anymore. He went from a +100% pick to an uncommon one.
>>344547989
And since Reaper no longer has a hard counter, he is now the 100% pick.
>>344547920
Because McCree has the benefit of decent damage from a distance, and since Reapers typically go into groups and fuck up tanks and healers a McCree paying attention can easily save them and if the team is paying attention will make use of the flashbang.
Anyway, ff McCree forces Reaper to wraith away constantly then he's already making him useless.
>>344548141
Pharah.
>>344548175
>Reapers typically go into groups and fuck up tanks and healers
Bad ones do
>>344548362
but if the team know there is a reaper somewhere they shouldnt be roaming around alone anyway
>>344548362
That's pretty much what Reaper is for. Flanking and taking out important targets like healers or tanks.
>>344548175
I'm sure all that sounds nice in your head, but it doesn't translate at all to the actual game. I like to pick reaper when on offense, though I tend to play Roadhog and Reinhard more, and I am starting to feel bad for McCree. But if you keep trying to convince everyone that McCree is his hard counter, then it just makes it easier for me.
>>344548326
On open areas, she is a good counter. But once you get in close quarters areas, kinda like against Raodhog, she loses her advantage.
>>344548586
>I'm sure all that sounds nice in your head
But this is what I should say to you, since your reasoning seems to imply that the Reaper's enemies are complete retards
>>344548464
Yes, the counter to Reaper is awareness and teamwork, he gets scary once the team loses focus due to another threat.
>>344548485
Flanking =/= diving into a group of people like a retard
Typically he wants to annoy someone into leaving their group or push in while there's another threat taking the team's focus.
If the latter then this "hard counter" is not going to work at all and if the former then he's already got you playing to his tune.
>>344548362
>he doesn't drop down to two shot zaryras in front of their team and then float away
hows rank 50 kiddo
>>344543483
What did he mod?
